I would include “even if they don’t do it intentionally/consciously” - because I can see the “they did the best they could” and “they had good intentions” argument coming. (To which I can only say “okay, but that doesn’t change the result”.)
If a child identifies as a healer, being their child might be helpful. But in general, our parents are just a few other of the billions of special and profound human beings. We care about them - different than owing them - because they know us better than everyone else usually, and the people who know us best - if they are supportive and good critical thinkers - are our most valuable defense against our own biases.
I believe the greater the resentment over having kids, the greater the entitlement there is of a payoff, or repayment of "debt." I can't see much love in that equation.
As someone who was told on family gatherings that I was a mistake my parents made in high school that ruined their future prospects, I can confirm. I grew up being treated with a lot of resentment and I was constantly told by my mother that it's a duty to care for family and how dispicable some people are when they don't want to care for their elderly parents, that these people have a duty to build up their life to acomodate their parents, because the parents had to change their lives in order to acomodate their child. Since I didn't get much affection or attention and didn't feel realy cared for, I grew up wishing to leave my home as soon as possible because I didn't want to tolerate abuse any longer than necessary and I was reminding myself constantly that I have to survive until I reach legal age in order to finally start living. I also didn't want to be such a burden to my parents that they have to complain about it to extended family members and friends, so it only seemed logical to get the heck out on the first opportunity. I didn't want to be around, they only complained about me, so why drag it out? Ofc they called me selfish, ungrateful, confused, mentally ill and entitled for leaving and wanting to live on my own. I thought I did them a favor, but I just replaced their previous cause for complaints with a new one. 😅
@@Seamannon Wow, what black hearts they have/had for only seeing you as an investment that didn't pay off and constantly putting that message out there. Some adult children live with doting parents for several years, playing video games and raiding the fridge. Miserable people with tiny pinched hearts will always find something to complain about. Big hugs to you.
You have changed my life. It's hard to articulate just how crucial the information you provide is. Your intellect, honesty, sense of self, and humanity are awe-inspiring. Thank you for what you do.
Love this. It should be this way. Nurture, teach and release to live a good life. Our Mother told all four of us separately, secretly that she knew that child would be the one who took care of her.
In a word: narcissism. Having children so you can use them (or, older people using younger ones) for your own needs, rather than being a resource for *them* to make use of, which is the proper order of things. Great video by Abdul Saad/Vital Mind Coaching on “The Childhood Origins of Narcissism” that defines narcissism as such.
This started as soon as I turned 18 and it never stopped until I left and cut ties with my mother in December of 2022. It boggles my mind that people like this even think the way they do at all. I'm so glad I can still tear away that terrible cycle of multi-generational degeneracy.
If we pay back our parents, what will we have for our children? I payed much attention to my parents, they're so disturbed, that I had no energy for my own partnership. I was broken and energy poured out.
"What do children owe their parents? Nothing" 👏👏👏 People don't ask to be born; their parents choose to bring them to this world; they owe them. Children being seen as an investment is a very patriarchal/neoliberal/capitalistic view, and not all cultures are like that. A lot of cultures don't see children as an investment, but as humans.
Your comment is 💯 correct...the little likes shows that the masses of ppl..."Can't Handle the Truth"...no one asks to come here... parents owe their offspring til the day they leave this world.✅
You are valuable, man. Don't waste your time and effort on people that take it for granted. Treat yourself as the valuable person you are. They need to understand that. If they don't, then be strong enough to walk away. If they actually care, they will hear you and take it seriously. If they don't care, then you are walking away from something that was only dragging you down.
Fax. The double-bind is the worst part. My existence causes me immense pain and suffering. However, if I were to stop being alive it would sadden everyone who knows me. That doesn't seem like a fair choice to me.
@@johnjohnson3681 apologies for asking possibly dumb question. You are talking about emotional pain? Or physical? And presently healing...getting better..is un-available?
Totally true especially for Indian parents......this is embedded very deep into each and every Indian child to make there parents proud in a way to pay them back..
South Asian parents are so toxic and selfish. They literally see their kids as property and expect kids to sacrifice their souls to please their parents. I hate the culture so much
I am the child of lovely, open-minded, creative, respectful, encouraging parents, but I follow all your videos to better understand this world and the reality of so many other families. 🙄😐
I can't imagine having that type of family experience. My family was the reason I have no interest in having a family of my own. happily permanently single.
When it comes to any friction between children and parents, I ALWAYS defend the children. Parents owe children everything, and thankfully children don’t demand much.
Existence was never and could never have been a choice for the child, and thus no debt can be ascribed to them. The only way to indebt oneself is to make a decision with repercussions. Laws and edicts may say otherwise but when they do these are the reflections of philosophically and psychologically unsophisticated minds institutionalising their immaturity.
Exactly, the debt is actually on the parent for bringing life into the world and being the responsible adult in this situation for the wellbeing of an innocent baby. The parent owes that child emotional safety as well as food and shelter. The child is a separate being with complex valid feelings.. a child is owned to be taught emotional regulation when they dont know how to do it because their nervous system is not wired for it yet.. if and only if the child feels emotionally safe and a separate person worthy of existing then the child can return love freely if they so wish..
When young, my therapist did his best to persuade me to break away from my parents, especially from my mother. I had not yet understood how I had been emotionally neglected. I am not the sort of person that can leave strings undone. I needed to know specifically why my childhood and family was dysfunctional. My therapist could not help me with the specifics. In recent years mental health has become wider and deeper, allowing more choices and opportunities to heal. And the internet can point each person to the process that speaks to their circumstances. All in all, we, as unique individuals hold the keys to discovering our own cure. Finding a therapist who can find solutions WITH you is critical.
I agree with this perspective for the most part. I think that there is some obligation on the part of children to love and honor their parents and their old age. However, in narcissistic family systems, where such is the dynamic, it makes that incredibly difficult and undesired to do.
My father told me I should buy my mother gifts (aside from holidays) for all that she’s done for me. Mind you, I have a family with 2 kids and one on the way. My mom asked me if I go in a store and think hey my mom would like that I should buy it for her. Isn’t that what my dad which is her husband is for??
Very good points. My mother wasn’t aware of her dehumanizing behavior until I called her on it (via no contact 5 yrs). When she treated me as a human she was rewarded via contact. She struggled with boundaries for a long while but eventually got the hang of it. As a parent of adults I do struggle. I need help but I know they have their lives and different goals then me because times are different and priorities have to shift to survive.
Hello Daniel. As an immigrant’s child I grew up having to translate English for my parents even though I suffered from a disorder called selective mutism from a very young age ,and even though I had difficulties in learning and coping with mental health issues because of it being neglected , I was completely ignored by parents,school, other adults and relatives . I was bullied by students of my age but I was also supported by some of my friends who were just the same age as me who were just kids back then ,they were nicer than any adults, I saw the harsh reality from a very young age,adults are not nice. I only found out about my early childhood mutism when I became an adult, so I’m still processing a lot of unresolved traumas from my past , I’m not saying that adults should’ve known about these psychological terms and sent me to therapy , the fact that most adults didn’t even ask me “if I was okay” depresses me a lot ,only one teacher was kind ,it still hurts me bc I did suffer from this disorder a lot . I did confront my parents after I found out about my childhood disorder and got even more wounded bc they would try to belittle and erase my truth out of their memories. So you saying this world is screwed did make me feel heard, before watching your videos I thought I was just becoming this psychopathic victim who hated the world because I was so hurt, but as I grieve and heal I can still see that the majority of people are not being honest at all. But I met a few understanding people for the first time in my life, as I spoke out about my truth and it was the first time I ever felt heard. We don’t owe parents anything I don’t think my parents even thought about my future and how I will grow up as an adult after leaving me mute as child for years and not caring. I don’t even think animals owe us anything as well as a person practicing veganism ,but the reason I started it was because I was severely mentally depressed to the point I felt something similar between myself and the helpless voiceless animal, it’s a different kind of trauma we go through and I agree we have the responsibility to better ourselves if we’re bringing a precious life into the world just to take it away for us to survive. So many people are virgins when it comes to being honest and authentic and serious improving as humans.
@dailypurity1576, your vulnerability and authenticity is as real as it gets, and you are heard right here and now, again. It is so truth, what you say about the ‘virginity’ of human beings’ (in)capacity to self reflect. What a powerful and insightful metaphor, and even more so, a stark reminder to continue pushing through and moving forward on what is the most important and worthwhile (and sadly, way too undervalued) journey in life-to ascend, to heal our wounds and our traumas, to know ourselves, to understand and value ourselves and our fellow human beings, to be better, kinder, more caring, more real, and more aware. Thank you for sharing your experience here; I am sorry that you didn’t feel seen and for the pain you’ve endured. Your words, however, are a precise reflection of what real courage looks like.
Dude I really want you to know how grateful I am to know someone like you, albeit through a screen. You evoke a familial wholesomeness if that makes any sense. The topics and timings of your videos are also so uncannily relevant to the things I ponder over during my night walks. Might as well make use of the insomnia hahah. Always a pleasure 🍁
Thank you, I’ve seen such abusive older parents and the victim/adult child feels obligated to care for them. Society does not understand, because it makes assumptions and was not inside the abusive home. I think many parents were only motivated by some sort of personal social security, anyway, and tried to make their children “in their own image.” It’s supposed to be very selfless and paying forward, but I have yet to meet parents that answer the right way, when asked their reasons, It’s tragic!
If parents create an environment where the child grows up feeling safe, nurtured and respected then the adult child will naturally want to be there to help their parents when the parents get older. If not, then the child/young adult has to fend for themselves for survival. If I had it to give, I would have given it but I was still in survivor mode myself when my mother reach old age.
Some ppl told me they had children to look after them in old age, which I think is totally unfair. Not only did the children not asked to be born, they should not be burdened with old parents. I think when a kid turns 18, he/she is free to leave the family for good.
Thank you for your transparency in talking about this subject. Both my parents were dysfunctional. The Good that I still managed to Receive from their dysfunction was Not to repeat the cycle. Their lives spiraled down as they realized they were not entitled to their kids lives as my siblings & I became adults doing the work of forgiveness, self- introspection and healing. My parents lives ended prematurely & sad actually. This was their choice.
Thank you! Sooooo true! My debt I finally discovered, was to myself - to heal the decades of horrific damage done to me physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually.
The problem is also society at large though. Parents in this day and age can be great, but if 90% or more of kids grow up in sick family systems, even the ones who are raised healthy will get corrupted eventually. Or if they are not corrupted, will live a life of isolation or feel ostracized. It starts from people in power too. Truth is it's in the interest of power structures for people to stay stuck in the family system-they're more predictable and easy to control that way. Just my 2 cents.
You can’t possibly account for this statistic. This is a self-defeating belief, not a truth. This is affirming a negative world view, hoping someone might convince you otherwise. But this won’t solve the problem and it isn’t good for you, or anyone, to believe you user so little control over your own well being. The first thing you must do, is stop reaffirming these negative beliefs, for yourself. You get down, we all do, but you must have the self discipline to shift your focus, to something that will distract you from this kind of circular thinking. That’s usually all it takes. If you have to do it 50 times in one day, then that’s what you do. It won’t always be this way, but some days it might. Don’t allow what may have happened to you, allow you to believe you are a victim. You may very well have been, at one time or another, but you aren’t anymore. You have enough going for you, to be able to pursue whatever you choose, if you want it badly enough. Focus on something that allows you to set goals, small ones, and no matter how small, achieve that daily goal. Test yourself to see if you can set a goal, that requires patience, and daily, smaller goals, in order to achieve. Stay focused. Don’t allow yourself to go down the rabbit holes.
You're probably right, but I don't think getting corrupted is inevitable, depending on what you mean by that. What's inevitable in my view is the suffering that we experience from the reality you described, but we don't have to let it deform us. And we can take time out and make space for healing.
I remember my grandmother telling me that in the south, people had large families to work in the fields from the time they could walk. I couldn't imagine how hard that had to be for a little girl. She picked cotton till her fingers bled. In the deep south that was the life that was very common. She told me about some abuse and did turn into an alcoholic. When my adopted mother was 84 I overheard her call me her "slave" to her brother over the phone. I was helping her. Or so I thought. She didn't know I heard that and I kept it my secret. You know, They were just a disappointment to us, really. I don't even think they knew we even had a brain. But that's where our advantage comes in darlin. We knew they were missing something. They're heart and soul. You can never buy that at the store, can you know. Thats a God given gift. You have a beautiful soul darlin. So Don't let their blindness block you from anything you know is yours. They had their life. Abd they chose to not respect it. You do. You see, you respect and appreciate your gift of life honey bucket. 😊
👏 bravo, Daniel! Totally agree with you a hundred percent! My brother the Golden child I’m convinced suffers from Stockholm syndrome by my racist, homophobic, sexist and narcissistic mother who I sensed early on was off - very disconnected and disassociated; unstable and untrustworthy. A master mindgamer. I learned the only way to truly save myself was no contact with my entire family it was all so terrible and distressing to me - literally my body couldn’t handle it anymore. I try keep listening to my body and feelings ~ what my heart is saying after having to stuff my feelings inside for so long out of self protection from my parents cruelty. It took me along time to learn to trust others again. It’s been a long road, but finally I feel like I’ve arrived at the field of flowers under blue skies. I am free now.
Ive been asking myself this but also in reverse. Some people say, parents do owe their kids love, but me execpecting that my mum SHOULD love me, kept me hanging on for years , as I felt she owed me it. She 'should' have loved me. I felt freed when I thought, she doesn't owe me love. I mean, making friends or searching for romance, if weve got needs, wants, bounadries etc, and someone didnt meet these , we wouldnt stay and beg someone to like us, or love us and show us kindness would we? (Maybe if low self worth, but thats another topic) nomally, we would be like, right, this person is not meeting my needs, and I cant make them, so I have a right to leave. We recognise they dont 'owe' us it. And that we have a right to look elsewhere. Yet with parents... because of the almost cult like society of parents loving us and us loving parents, we feel they owe us that and us them. Whereas if you step back and take off the 'family' label, they're just another human like anyone else you meet that you have a right to walk away from...
Sometimes you have to love yourself enough, to sit back observe their behaviour. Accept the truth of how they behave. It no longer effects you as you are now your own parent. Just Forgive and listen to your thoughts and set boundaries, and BE INNOCENT
My dad (now deceased) and his widow (stepmother) believe that parents shouldn't telephone their children; the children should phone them. My stepmother phones me only on my birthday or if someone has died. So I phone her every month or so, and within a few minutes I hear the first "anyway." The conversations are always superficial, never lasting more than five minutes, but even then I hear "anyway" multiple times. I tolerate it but hate it. I learned not to challenge my parents through fear. I have to confess to having participated in a fake relationship with a fake persona. I've dropped it.
Wow, this is really coming at a good time for me, especially as a young adult who is still very much struggling to navigate how to cultivate my own life, separate from that of what my parents may or may not want for me. Thank you, Daniel. It is a difficult path to walk, to scrutinize one’s parents and the ways our society conditions us to “value” family, even though more often than not valuing family often means that we must reject the core of who and what we are, all to appease these “loved ones” who really, fundamentally, *don’t* even love us back… I’m glad you are a voice that seeks to counter this pervasive narrative that tells us that we “must” be loyal to our family or else we are “selfish” and “bad”… it’s mind-boggling just how badly society demands that we persist in a dissociated state from our inner self, insisting that we betray ourselves through self-repression, self-stifling, needless self-sacrifice… the demand to conform is thinly veiled as “loyalty”, a word that more people are much more receptive to… Anyways, I’m kind of rambling now haha, but thanks again for sharing your thought-provoking perspective.
Thank you Daniel. We don't know each other at all, but you have spoken my voice in a way I might never be able to. In a way, you and this talk of yours, are exactly what gravitate to the gentleness of the world, to which I owe my life experience to. It only makes sense to spend one's lifetime, again like you have pointed out, to reciprocate, in one way or another, to that gentleness. Perhaps some of us are destined to break one cycle and pass on another torch.
I so agree with you: I feel I owe myself and the world the responsibility of maturing and growing, however hard it is. In a way, it's a way of honoring the fact of being alive.
I can't express in words, how much I am grateful for your work. You really saved me from so much suffering, i would have otherwise have to go through. Thankyou
your videos help keep me on track, and not give into the hoovering attempts when I know I don't owe them anything. I know that the longing feeling i have deep inside cannot be filled or healed by them - ever.
Went no contact with my severely abusive narcissist mother five years ago after 55years of hoping she would change...its been very peaceful since... ... should have done it sooner !
I believe my job as a parent was to love my child to the best of my ability, while discerning what his needs and wants are, not mine. Everything I do for him I do because I love him, not because I expect a payback. I taught him to use his wings to fly, and believe in himself❤
Many parents are far too dysfunctional and unaware of themselves to be even remotely capable of being caring, loving and understanding towards their children. When you’re a child they treat you like an experiment for their own ambitions and ideals. When you rebels and say NO I don’t want to do this way they get outraged. They want you to study in a university they choose, a profession they think it’s best for you., , they want to control your life and micromanage it, and well when you say No I don’t like this or that, and when you dare say that you want to do things differently boy their egos become so hurt they don’t care that you’re a individual on your own right with your own particular likes, wants, interests and preferences.., they take it personally.
Yes indeed, those very dysfunctional producers do collateral damage to their children and those children repeat that bs again and again - it has to stop with me now.
Thank you for being out here. I 'discovered' you only last week and I am hooked. You, or at least your content, is a gem. You are a free, authentic, curious, empathic person. It just shows in everything you say. It's as if you are in my mind. We agree on almost everything. (Especially on the topic of parenthood, and having children). So many people truly appreciate what you do and share with the world. Thank you. 🥰
If you have been a good and loving parent, your children will love and support you by their own choice. This presenter speaks from deep pain. There’s no cookie cutter recipe here .
You touch on a saying that has been inspirational for me : A wise man once said, “In one pocket I have the words ~ I owe nothing to anyone. In the other pocket ~ I owe all to all mankind”. The interdependence of the parent/child may be better served when the child also becomes an improvement on the parental skills of their parents for their children. This working on those deficits one became aware of along with one’s own issues has been a good place for me to start as a different parent.
How is a person supposed to know if they were abused or neglected or mistreated by parents if they can’t point to any huge failures in their childhood and their parents were there for them, provided for them, and things were consistent for the most part?
You should care like you would for a good friend. If it's a healthy friendship great, if it becomes very toxic and you've tried to fix it, you have protect yourself even if there were good times. It's the same for ex's you cant be expected to stay out of a debt of gratitude for either the good times or for being looked after at times
I think if parents were really good and never expected anything from the child, the child would naturally want to help their parents at old age. I worked in a care home and I saw children with good relationship with parents came to visit them everyday but the parents who were controlling, didn't have their children visiting much.
This hits hard. I hate my parents for passing me the view I owe them. Like I have a unpayable eternal debt I can never repay, just for being given life. Then add to that shame for many things and I've basically never felt free to live life for myself, like I'm the owner of it and can do as I please. Which I can, but damn if it's not hard to believe that because of how much brainwashing I was put through.
these videos are so empowering for me. they just give me a sense of things being set right. and I may be totally reading too much into them but I get such a revolutionary vibe from them, even politically. or maybe I'm just projecting because I'm a communist but either way this is really healing, thank you
Through long months of thinking after no contact I came to the conclusion that I was just a tool that was used by mother to be liked by her parents. She couldn’t get their love, so used me showing how quiet I was, good grades I got, my future plans e.t.c. - anything that could show her as a perfect parent. But behind closed doors any inconvenience about me (I needed to see a doctor, or wanted to start a hobby her parents may not like) may lead to anger, scream and then a silent treatment. Low hygiene, old clothes, unhealthy food (no, she had enough money, but it all required effort) - at home, but I should’ve been dressed perfectly, nice and clean, be energetic and positive when going to meet grand parents. I had a constant fear of her and these old people all my life. And I won’t go back at any costs even though they still try to pull me back into the system. Yes, I feel sorry, that mother live such a misery life, but it was her choice not to contradict. I tried to comfort her for years before I left, but it ended by more and more abuse as the tool didn’t work as it was meant to be and (surprisingly) wanted to live its own life. Thank you for your video.
To leave , work hard , become self sufficient and return on occasion to visit . ……simple as that . But today that seems to be almost impossible. Leaving such comfortable setups that most parents have given their kids is a step down . Most have nothing to work toward . The parents and grandparents have already given it to them . ……..why leave , that means difficulty at times and todays youth does not handle difficulty well at all.
Daniel, your words resonate with me as if they were my own almost word for word. The wanting to be loved, especially when that well is dry, we have to go elsewhere. We owe nothing! We are not responsible for the burden of being. We are a gift designed by God in his image and likeness to be gifted into the experience of this world as his children. Our parents are bound by choices and actions that brought us life into this plane of existence through divine union. We owe God our gratitude and our parents owe us the life they forsaken in sin and bringing about the experience of a mortal death unasked. You Deserve more, We deserve more, We are all here for each other to some aspect and our lives also bring about choices and actions that make this world what it is. Heal your pain, and be loved.
What parts of life could actually be considered a gift under objective standards? Because everything else holds in that respect, except for the claim that life is a gift, and by proxy that we owe it to life to be the best that we can be. It just isn’t in line with the same objective basis that is used to determine what we commonly experience; it seems to be entirely determined by personal subjectivity, and therefor as real as any other unfalsifiable, unproven claim. Life is more accurately described as being a curse rather than a gift.
We don´t owe them anything at all - but they badly used us like their personal slaves - when they finally died - I did not even go to their funerals - my body just said no! Good job.
People have a moral responsibility to deal with their emotional baggage. If you don't have the courage to undertake that, you certainly don't have the courage to be a good parent.
Nor do you have the ability. You WILL abuse your kids if you don’t deal with your own childhood abuse. If only we treated child abuse as the serious crime it really is.
I feel so alone and abandoned Daniel. I feel like I got short changed when it comes to parents. How do I become a good person? How do I heal? I have panic attacks so frequently that it's debilitating, I wish I was whole, I wish I was healed, I wish I could be whole like you, in so many ways I wish I could be more like you. You are whole and secure in your body, my anxiety attacks come and go frequently that I don't know what to do. I call crisis lines to speak with kind souls who try to calm me down. I feel so alone and abandoned Daniel. I feel so alone and abandoned. I was left. I was left. I was left. I need to heal, working is important but I need to heal first. I have time and space to heal, I have time and space to heal, I have time and space to heal. I need to calm myself down and see that I am safe.
Look into tapping. There are videos on this platform. Also, EMDR. And CBT. You may need a therapist to guide you through the processes of releasing stuff. Also, look into your diet. A lot of anxiety can be connected to nutritional deficiencies. I'm not saying ALL, but just check into it. If your body doesn't have the nutrition to create feel-good substances, well, you probably aren't going to feel too good. Get that gut flora in shape as well.
I am grateful that my parents gave me life ...although I also acknowledge that life spark comes from another source. I was at the mercy of parents for early survival. This discussion has been writ large on my life for at least a decade. It has been very self damaging. Finally, I have come to the same conclusion that you have outlined. The last few years ....and probably a few to come ....are dedicated to self nuture and reparenting.
Yes! There is a reason why a mother bird pushes her chicks out of the nest as soon as they have learned how to fly. That’s why children are called our offspring… we are to protect them, provide for and care for their needs as they grow up, to love them unconditionally and help them ‘spring off’ into adult life successfully …and without any ties to our aprons keeping them entangled to us. They are free and separate individuals. Children are a gift from God who come through us and we never ever owned them. They owe us Nothing and it’s their free will to chose whether or not they want to keep us as part of their lives when we grow older.
Thanks Daniel. Well, this added a trauma to work on. I worked for my parents because they could get a tax break, but they never paid me. I don't know what they reported as my wage. I probably started around age 7 or 8. They bragged about it to other cult members, and told them about the loop hole, encouraging others to do it.
my genius 90 year old father is a sadistic psychopathic narcissist who expects me to be understanding of his emotionally abusive behavior since he was having a bad day ; yet he never calls me, he just emails me his horrible slandering messages (yes my mother was a total slave to my Dad) and all of us kids worked too doing daily chores and we would be beaten if we didn't stay in line.
My MIL would say I should have more children so they take care of me when I’m older. That’s not my reason to have a child, my child doesn’t owe me anything. I hope to give my child a happy life, with nothing in return.
I can really recommend his book. Just finished it and after reading it slowly with alot of time in between the chapters to reflect about it, I can say that I discovered now the reason for my life-paralysis. And it feels like I was able to kick out that was is called malignant introject - somehow scientific books didn't gave me this clear view, they offered a scientific model and alot of fancy words for it, but it was not handy and tangible. A real treasure - his book.
I love how you just say it - farm animal, parasite. These are the perfect metaphors. Well said, and thank you for the validation that we don't owe people who treat us like a resource to extract sustenance from.
We live in the best circumstances for personal growth since life first emerged. Before us there was no room to indulge who or what we might be due to the imperative for survival. After awakening to what I am prior to the identity I created to deal with the brutish world around, I cried, I cried tears of gratitude for what my parents did simply to house and feed me. Yes, I agree with you on what is your response ability. I also share with the world every day so we all may continue towards wholesomeness. Though our parents are an inextricable part of the platform for our possibility.
I think my daughter owes me nothing. Actually, I owe her a lot, because in her childhood she was watching aggressive father yelling and I didn't take her out from that situation. :(
A country getting strong and wise children will help the parents. 3 psychologists, a brain surgeon, a nurse, a professional cleaner and so on. The child can call those and be the engineer or the unemployed or the depressed one.
"The job of the child is to love the parents in all the ways the parent was not loved. A set up for failure, an impossible job." WOW. SO TRUE.
This especially applies to parents who broke their familial contract by abusing and trying to sabotage and destroy their own children
Treating their children like they owe them something is abuse, sabotage and destruction
That's happened in my family
I would include “even if they don’t do it intentionally/consciously” - because I can see the “they did the best they could” and “they had good intentions” argument coming. (To which I can only say “okay, but that doesn’t change the result”.)
They are the ones that act like you owe them the most!
@@melissa2181 what's the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions or something lol 🔥
If they weren’t parents to you, then you don’t need to be a child to them. It’s really that simple.
And if they were, you still don't.
If a child identifies as a healer, being their child might be helpful. But in general, our parents are just a few other of the billions of special and profound human beings. We care about them - different than owing them - because they know us better than everyone else usually, and the people who know us best - if they are supportive and good critical thinkers - are our most valuable defense against our own biases.
Well said!!!!
I believe the greater the resentment over having kids, the greater the entitlement there is of a payoff, or repayment of "debt." I can't see much love in that equation.
Yea it's not like student loan.
As someone who was told on family gatherings that I was a mistake my parents made in high school that ruined their future prospects, I can confirm.
I grew up being treated with a lot of resentment and I was constantly told by my mother that it's a duty to care for family and how dispicable some people are when they don't want to care for their elderly parents, that these people have a duty to build up their life to acomodate their parents, because the parents had to change their lives in order to acomodate their child.
Since I didn't get much affection or attention and didn't feel realy cared for, I grew up wishing to leave my home as soon as possible because I didn't want to tolerate abuse any longer than necessary and I was reminding myself constantly that I have to survive until I reach legal age in order to finally start living. I also didn't want to be such a burden to my parents that they have to complain about it to extended family members and friends, so it only seemed logical to get the heck out on the first opportunity. I didn't want to be around, they only complained about me, so why drag it out?
Ofc they called me selfish, ungrateful, confused, mentally ill and entitled for leaving and wanting to live on my own. I thought I did them a favor, but I just replaced their previous cause for complaints with a new one. 😅
@@Seamannon Wow, what black hearts they have/had for only seeing you as an investment that didn't pay off and constantly putting that message out there. Some adult children live with doting parents for several years, playing video games and raiding the fridge. Miserable people with tiny pinched hearts will always find something to complain about. Big hugs to you.
@@Seamannon that is horrific, it’s so good that you saw through it and eventually got out. Good for you for fighting for yourself.
@@Seamannon stay "selfish' 🙂
You have changed my life. It's hard to articulate just how crucial the information you provide is. Your intellect, honesty, sense of self, and humanity are awe-inspiring. Thank you for what you do.
Thank you!
I was raised as a farm-yard creature, and then I escaped. The end.
Ditto. I’m wrecked.
I’m going to escape too
You even have a “farm animal” profile picture (as of 2024)
Same here
Love this. It should be this way. Nurture, teach and release to live a good life. Our Mother told all four of us separately, secretly that she knew that child would be the one who took care of her.
Children owe their parents nothing
The only right answer... she/he never asked to be born.
It's terrible having family and others who want you broken yet they want greatness for themselves.
Yeah, what dys function
Short and accurate definition.
Cutting.
In a word : Succession.
In a word: narcissism. Having children so you can use them (or, older people using younger ones) for your own needs, rather than being a resource for *them* to make use of, which is the proper order of things. Great video by Abdul Saad/Vital Mind Coaching on “The Childhood Origins of Narcissism” that defines narcissism as such.
Corporations and families…all cults eat their own.
This started as soon as I turned 18 and it never stopped until I left and cut ties with my mother in December of 2022. It boggles my mind that people like this even think the way they do at all. I'm so glad I can still tear away that terrible cycle of multi-generational degeneracy.
If we pay back our parents,
what will we have for our children?
I payed much attention to my parents, they're so disturbed,
that I had no energy for my own partnership. I was broken and energy poured out.
I’m not gonna do any therapy today I’m just gonna play this video three times for each client I see because it’s basically the point of most therapy.
Yesss 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 we love a therapist who gets it.
"What do children owe their parents? Nothing" 👏👏👏
People don't ask to be born; their parents choose to bring them to this world; they owe them.
Children being seen as an investment is a very patriarchal/neoliberal/capitalistic view, and not all cultures are like that.
A lot of cultures don't see children as an investment, but as humans.
Your comment is 💯 correct...the little likes shows that the masses of ppl..."Can't Handle the Truth"...no one asks to come here... parents owe their offspring til the day they leave this world.✅
Nothing, except being a good person that doesn't bring an other person in this cold & evil world.
A lifetime of servitude for being forced into this world.
I spilled my hard fought emotions realness it was invalidated. They owe me an apology for ever conceiving me. I hate being human.
You are valuable, man. Don't waste your time and effort on people that take it for granted. Treat yourself as the valuable person you are. They need to understand that. If they don't, then be strong enough to walk away. If they actually care, they will hear you and take it seriously. If they don't care, then you are walking away from something that was only dragging you down.
I understand this sentiment.
I can really relate to this.
Fax. The double-bind is the worst part.
My existence causes me immense pain and suffering. However, if I were to stop being alive it would sadden everyone who knows me.
That doesn't seem like a fair choice to me.
@@johnjohnson3681 apologies for asking possibly dumb question. You are talking about emotional pain?
Or physical?
And presently healing...getting better..is un-available?
Totally true especially for Indian parents......this is embedded very deep into each and every Indian child to make there parents proud in a way to pay them back..
I think the eastern cultures are all like that. Same in japan for example.
South Asian parents are so toxic and selfish. They literally see their kids as property and expect kids to sacrifice their souls to please their parents. I hate the culture so much
to be fair, my parents never abused me. and they expect anything from me. they just want me to be the best i can be
I am the child of lovely, open-minded, creative, respectful, encouraging parents, but I follow all your videos to better understand this world and the reality of so many other families. 🙄😐
lucky you tho.
I would have loved If I did have consistent and reinforcing parents
I appreciate your empathy. This content can get quite heavy. Thank you 💕
Same here .
It is very disturbing to learn about those things .
I can't imagine having that type of family experience. My family was the reason I have no interest in having a family of my own. happily permanently single.
We owe absolutely nothing if they treat us like muck! I walked away from my parents years ago,guilt free & loving life🥰
The loving life part I don't get, since it is a tragedy.
When it comes to any friction between children and parents, I ALWAYS defend the children. Parents owe children everything, and thankfully children don’t demand much.
Existence was never and could never have been a choice for the child, and thus no debt can be ascribed to them. The only way to indebt oneself is to make a decision with repercussions.
Laws and edicts may say otherwise but when they do these are the reflections of philosophically and psychologically unsophisticated minds institutionalising their immaturity.
Exactly, the debt is actually on the parent for bringing life into the world and being the responsible adult in this situation for the wellbeing of an innocent baby. The parent owes that child emotional safety as well as food and shelter. The child is a separate being with complex valid feelings.. a child is owned to be taught emotional regulation when they dont know how to do it because their nervous system is not wired for it yet.. if and only if the child feels emotionally safe and a separate person worthy of existing then the child can return love freely if they so wish..
Your videos really help me so much as a broken child . It helped me understand that breaking far from toxic parents is always healthy.
No one should tolerate toxic parents just because they gave birth to them
And painful.
When young, my therapist did his best to persuade me to break away from my parents, especially from my mother. I had not yet understood how I had been emotionally neglected. I am not the sort of person that can leave strings undone. I needed to know specifically why my childhood and family was dysfunctional. My therapist could not help me with the specifics.
In recent years mental health has become wider and deeper, allowing more choices and opportunities to heal. And the internet can point each person to the process that speaks to their circumstances. All in all, we, as unique individuals hold the keys to discovering our own cure. Finding a therapist who can find solutions WITH you is critical.
I agree with this perspective for the most part. I think that there is some obligation on the part of children to love and honor their parents and their old age. However, in narcissistic family systems, where such is the dynamic, it makes that incredibly difficult and undesired to do.
I wish you did livestreams. I could listen to your thoughts on this stuff all day.
My father told me I should buy my mother gifts (aside from holidays) for all that she’s done for me. Mind you, I have a family with 2 kids and one on the way. My mom asked me if I go in a store and think hey my mom would like that I should buy it for her. Isn’t that what my dad which is her husband is for??
Yes, tell him to go fuck himself
Yeah, but they don't be caring. You serve them and that's all she wrote from their perspective. So fuck'em
Very good points.
My mother wasn’t aware of her dehumanizing behavior until I called her on it (via no contact 5 yrs). When she treated me as a human she was rewarded via contact. She struggled with boundaries for a long while but eventually got the hang of it.
As a parent of adults I do struggle. I need help but I know they have their lives and different goals then me because times are different and priorities have to shift to survive.
Hello Daniel. As an immigrant’s child I grew up having to translate English for my parents even though I suffered from a disorder called selective mutism from a very young age ,and even though I had difficulties in learning and coping with mental health issues because of it being neglected , I was completely ignored by parents,school, other adults and relatives . I was bullied by students of my age but I was also supported by some of my friends who were just the same age as me who were just kids back then ,they were nicer than any adults, I saw the harsh reality from a very young age,adults are not nice. I only found out about my early childhood mutism when I became an adult, so I’m still processing a lot of unresolved traumas from my past , I’m not saying that adults should’ve known about these psychological terms and sent me to therapy , the fact that most adults didn’t even ask me “if I was okay” depresses me a lot ,only one teacher was kind ,it still hurts me bc I did suffer from this disorder a lot . I did confront my parents after I found out about my childhood disorder and got even more wounded bc they would try to belittle and erase my truth out of their memories. So you saying this world is screwed did make me feel heard, before watching your videos I thought I was just becoming this psychopathic victim who hated the world because I was so hurt, but as I grieve and heal I can still see that the majority of people are not being honest at all. But I met a few understanding people for the first time in my life, as I spoke out about my truth and it was the first time I ever felt heard. We don’t owe parents anything I don’t think my parents even thought about my future and how I will grow up as an adult after leaving me mute as child for years and not caring. I don’t even think animals owe us anything as well as a person practicing veganism ,but the reason I started it was because I was severely mentally depressed to the point I felt something similar between myself and the helpless voiceless animal, it’s a different kind of trauma we go through and I agree we have the responsibility to better ourselves if we’re bringing a precious life into the world just to take it away for us to survive. So many people are virgins when it comes to being honest and authentic and serious improving as humans.
Vegan 🌱😘🕊
@dailypurity1576, your vulnerability and authenticity is as real as it gets, and you are heard right here and now, again. It is so truth, what you say about the ‘virginity’ of human beings’ (in)capacity to self reflect. What a powerful and insightful metaphor, and even more so, a stark reminder to continue pushing through and moving forward on what is the most important and worthwhile (and sadly, way too undervalued) journey in life-to ascend, to heal our wounds and our traumas, to know ourselves, to understand and value ourselves and our fellow human beings, to be better, kinder, more caring, more real, and more aware. Thank you for sharing your experience here; I am sorry that you didn’t feel seen and for the pain you’ve endured. Your words, however, are a precise reflection of what real courage looks like.
Interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing.
Dude I really want you to know how grateful I am to know someone like you, albeit through a screen. You evoke a familial wholesomeness if that makes any sense. The topics and timings of your videos are also so uncannily relevant to the things I ponder over during my night walks. Might as well make use of the insomnia hahah. Always a pleasure 🍁
Thank you, I’ve seen such abusive older parents and the victim/adult child feels obligated to care for them. Society does not understand, because it makes assumptions and was not inside the abusive home. I think many parents were only motivated by some sort of personal social security, anyway, and tried to make their children “in their own image.” It’s supposed to be very selfless and paying forward, but I have yet to meet parents that answer the right way, when asked their reasons, It’s tragic!
Pair-rents
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws
Very true. If you want investment, put your money in the bank, and reap the interest. But don't have children.
If parents create an environment where the child grows up feeling safe, nurtured and respected then the adult child will naturally want to be there to help their parents when the parents get older. If not, then the child/young adult has to fend for themselves for survival. If I had it to give, I would have given it but I was still in survivor mode myself when my mother reach old age.
Some ppl told me they had children to look after them in old age, which I think is totally unfair. Not only did the children not asked to be born, they should not be burdened with old parents. I think when a kid turns 18, he/she is free to leave the family for good.
Thank you for your transparency in talking about this subject. Both my parents were dysfunctional. The Good that I still managed to
Receive from their dysfunction was Not to repeat the cycle. Their lives spiraled down as they realized they were not entitled to their kids lives as my siblings & I became adults doing the work of forgiveness, self- introspection and healing. My parents lives ended prematurely & sad actually. This was their choice.
Thank you! Sooooo true! My debt I finally discovered, was to myself - to heal the decades of horrific damage done to me physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually.
Are you well now? Do you still feel obligated to your parents at times?
Thank YOU 🙏🏼 for existing Daniel ♥️
The problem is also society at large though. Parents in this day and age can be great, but if 90% or more of kids grow up in sick family systems, even the ones who are raised healthy will get corrupted eventually. Or if they are not corrupted, will live a life of isolation or feel ostracized. It starts from people in power too. Truth is it's in the interest of power structures for people to stay stuck in the family system-they're more predictable and easy to control that way. Just my 2 cents.
You can’t possibly account for this statistic. This is a self-defeating belief, not a truth. This is affirming a negative world view, hoping someone might convince you otherwise. But this won’t solve the problem and it isn’t good for you, or anyone, to believe you user so little control over your own well being. The first thing you must do, is stop reaffirming these negative beliefs, for yourself. You get down, we all do, but you must have the self discipline to shift your focus, to something that will distract you from this kind of circular thinking. That’s usually all it takes. If you have to do it 50 times in one day, then that’s what you do. It won’t always be this way, but some days it might. Don’t allow what may have happened to you, allow you to believe you are a victim. You may very well have been, at one time or another, but you aren’t anymore. You have enough going for you, to be able to pursue whatever you choose, if you want it badly enough. Focus on something that allows you to set goals, small ones, and no matter how small, achieve that daily goal. Test yourself to see if you can set a goal, that requires patience, and daily, smaller goals, in order to achieve. Stay focused. Don’t allow yourself to go down the rabbit holes.
You're probably right, but I don't think getting corrupted is inevitable, depending on what you mean by that. What's inevitable in my view is the suffering that we experience from the reality you described, but we don't have to let it deform us. And we can take time out and make space for healing.
I remember my grandmother telling me that in the south, people had large families to work in the fields from the time they could walk. I couldn't imagine how hard that had to be for a little girl. She picked cotton till her fingers bled. In the deep south that was the life that was very common. She told me about some abuse and did turn into an alcoholic. When my adopted mother was 84 I overheard her call me her "slave" to her brother over the phone. I was helping her. Or so I thought. She didn't know I heard that and I kept it my secret. You know, They were just a disappointment to us, really. I don't even think they knew we even had a brain. But that's where our advantage comes in darlin. We knew they were missing something. They're heart and soul. You can never buy that at the store, can you know. Thats a God given gift. You have a beautiful soul darlin. So Don't let their blindness block you from anything you know is yours. They had their life. Abd they chose to not respect it. You do. You see, you respect and appreciate your gift of life honey bucket. 😊
👏 bravo, Daniel! Totally agree with you a hundred percent! My brother the Golden child I’m convinced suffers from Stockholm syndrome by my racist, homophobic, sexist and narcissistic mother who I sensed early on was off - very disconnected and disassociated; unstable and untrustworthy. A master mindgamer. I learned the only way to truly save myself was no
contact with my entire family it was all so terrible and distressing to me - literally my body couldn’t handle it anymore.
I try keep listening to my body and feelings ~ what my heart is saying after having to stuff my feelings inside for so long out of self protection from my parents cruelty. It took me along time to learn to trust others again. It’s been a long road, but finally I feel like I’ve arrived at the field of flowers under blue skies. I am free now.
Your comment gives me hope 🙏
Couldn’t agree more. It’s the best lesson ever, for the parent, and the child. Truly selfless love.
Ive been asking myself this but also in reverse.
Some people say, parents do owe their kids love, but me execpecting that my mum SHOULD love me, kept me hanging on for years , as I felt she owed me it. She 'should' have loved me. I felt freed when I thought, she doesn't owe me love.
I mean, making friends or searching for romance, if weve got needs, wants, bounadries etc, and someone didnt meet these , we wouldnt stay and beg someone to like us, or love us and show us kindness would we? (Maybe if low self worth, but thats another topic) nomally, we would be like, right, this person is not meeting my needs, and I cant make them, so I have a right to leave.
We recognise they dont 'owe' us it. And that we have a right to look elsewhere.
Yet with parents... because of the almost cult like society of parents loving us and us loving parents, we feel they owe us that and us them.
Whereas if you step back and take off the 'family' label, they're just another human like anyone else you meet that you have a right to walk away from...
Sometimes you have to love yourself enough, to sit back observe their behaviour. Accept the truth of how they behave. It no longer effects you as you are now your own parent. Just Forgive and listen to your thoughts and set boundaries, and BE INNOCENT
My dad (now deceased) and his widow (stepmother) believe that parents shouldn't telephone their children; the children should phone them. My stepmother phones me only on my birthday or if someone has died. So I phone her every month or so, and within a few minutes I hear the first "anyway." The conversations are always superficial, never lasting more than five minutes, but even then I hear "anyway" multiple times. I tolerate it but hate it. I learned not to challenge my parents through fear.
I have to confess to having participated in a fake relationship with a fake persona. I've dropped it.
Your videos are amazing ! They give me guidance during though times !
Wow, this is really coming at a good time for me, especially as a young adult who is still very much struggling to navigate how to cultivate my own life, separate from that of what my parents may or may not want for me.
Thank you, Daniel. It is a difficult path to walk, to scrutinize one’s parents and the ways our society conditions us to “value” family, even though more often than not valuing family often means that we must reject the core of who and what we are, all to appease these “loved ones” who really, fundamentally, *don’t* even love us back…
I’m glad you are a voice that seeks to counter this pervasive narrative that tells us that we “must” be loyal to our family or else we are “selfish” and “bad”… it’s mind-boggling just how badly society demands that we persist in a dissociated state from our inner self, insisting that we betray ourselves through self-repression, self-stifling, needless self-sacrifice… the demand to conform is thinly veiled as “loyalty”, a word that more people are much more receptive to…
Anyways, I’m kind of rambling now haha, but thanks again for sharing your thought-provoking perspective.
Thank you Daniel. We don't know each other at all, but you have spoken my voice in a way I might never be able to. In a way, you and this talk of yours, are exactly what gravitate to the gentleness of the world, to which I owe my life experience to. It only makes sense to spend one's lifetime, again like you have pointed out, to reciprocate, in one way or another, to that gentleness. Perhaps some of us are destined to break one cycle and pass on another torch.
You are a legend. Best psychologist ever.
No, he's not.
We need to break the cycle
Daniel you're a space of enlightment and solace on the web.
Love hearing your insights.
I so agree with you: I feel I owe myself and the world the responsibility of maturing and growing, however hard it is. In a way, it's a way of honoring the fact of being alive.
Can you read my mind? I only discovered your videos today and I resonate with everything you say.
I can't express in words, how much I am grateful for your work. You really saved me from so much suffering, i would have otherwise have to go through.
Thankyou
“Too slowly”.
Agreed.
This is a wonderful video. Bizarrely relevant to me right now.
Thank you for being honest and vulnerable
your videos help keep me on track, and not give into the hoovering attempts when I know I don't owe them anything. I know that the longing feeling i have deep inside cannot be filled or healed by them - ever.
You comfort me so much
Thank you for this channel
You are the best
Went no contact with my severely abusive narcissist mother five years ago after 55years of hoping she would change...its been very peaceful since... ... should have done it sooner !
Thank you Daniel for letting me feel less alone❤
Can't believe this dropped in my feed. Just what I needed! Just how I think and I needed this echo so so much.
I believe my job as a parent was to love my child to the best of my ability, while discerning what his needs and wants are, not mine. Everything I do for him I do because I love him, not because I expect a payback. I taught him to use his wings to fly, and believe in himself❤
Many parents are far too dysfunctional and unaware of themselves to be even remotely capable of being caring, loving and understanding towards their children. When you’re a child they treat you like an experiment for their own ambitions and ideals. When you rebels and say NO I don’t want to do this way they get outraged. They want you to study in a university they choose, a profession they think it’s best for you., , they want to control your life and micromanage it, and well when you say No I don’t like this or that, and when you dare say that you want to do things differently boy their egos become so hurt they don’t care that you’re a individual on your own right with your own particular likes, wants, interests and preferences.., they take it personally.
Yes indeed, those very dysfunctional producers do collateral damage to their children and those children repeat that bs again and again - it has to stop with me now.
Thank you for being out here. I 'discovered' you only last week and I am hooked. You, or at least your content, is a gem. You are a free, authentic, curious, empathic person. It just shows in everything you say. It's as if you are in my mind. We agree on almost everything. (Especially on the topic of parenthood, and having children). So many people truly appreciate what you do and share with the world. Thank you. 🥰
Whoa! Powerful ❤
If you have been a good and loving parent, your children will love and support you by their own choice. This presenter speaks from deep pain. There’s no cookie cutter recipe here .
This is an important topic.
yes, this is the phenomenon that ruins our societies. Love is forced to flow backwards.
You touch on a saying that has been inspirational for me :
A wise man once said, “In one pocket I have the words ~ I owe nothing to anyone. In the other pocket ~ I owe all to all mankind”.
The interdependence of the parent/child may be better served when the child also becomes an improvement on the parental skills of their parents for their children. This working on those deficits one became aware of along with one’s own issues has been a good place for me to start as a different parent.
Thank you so much for this video. I heard it right when I needed to and I am sure I’m not the only one.
How is a person supposed to know if they were abused or neglected or mistreated by parents if they can’t point to any huge failures in their childhood and their parents were there for them, provided for them, and things were consistent for the most part?
This society at most, sees children as slaves. All children live double lives. Most adults don't see children as whole people.
I think we should care for our parents but ONLY if it is reasonably safe for us and not a thread to our own health and well being.
You should care like you would for a good friend. If it's a healthy friendship great, if it becomes very toxic and you've tried to fix it, you have protect yourself even if there were good times. It's the same for ex's you cant be expected to stay out of a debt of gratitude for either the good times or for being looked after at times
I think if parents were really good and never expected anything from the child, the child would naturally want to help their parents at old age. I worked in a care home and I saw children with good relationship with parents came to visit them everyday but the parents who were controlling, didn't have their children visiting much.
@@seaocean6826absolutely 💯 percent agree with u
Human respect. Nothing more. Not time, not attention, not money, not values. I have my own volition and I recognize they have theirs
I see it in all families....the control and the abuse that you have to do that or you will get punished
This hits hard. I hate my parents for passing me the view I owe them. Like I have a unpayable eternal debt I can never repay, just for being given life. Then add to that shame for many things and I've basically never felt free to live life for myself, like I'm the owner of it and can do as I please. Which I can, but damn if it's not hard to believe that because of how much brainwashing I was put through.
The parent owes the child. The child does not owe the parent. Period.
I completely agree. Kids are property in society, and somehow people dont understand how fucked up it is
these videos are so empowering for me. they just give me a sense of things being set right. and I may be totally reading too much into them but I get such a revolutionary vibe from them, even politically. or maybe I'm just projecting because I'm a communist but either way this is really healing, thank you
Thank you Daniel. Thank you.
Through long months of thinking after no contact I came to the conclusion that I was just a tool that was used by mother to be liked by her parents. She couldn’t get their love, so used me showing how quiet I was, good grades I got, my future plans e.t.c. - anything that could show her as a perfect parent. But behind closed doors any inconvenience about me (I needed to see a doctor, or wanted to start a hobby her parents may not like) may lead to anger, scream and then a silent treatment.
Low hygiene, old clothes, unhealthy food (no, she had enough money, but it all required effort) - at home, but I should’ve been dressed perfectly, nice and clean, be energetic and positive when going to meet grand parents.
I had a constant fear of her and these old people all my life. And I won’t go back at any costs even though they still try to pull me back into the system.
Yes, I feel sorry, that mother live such a misery life, but it was her choice not to contradict. I tried to comfort her for years before I left, but it ended by more and more abuse as the tool didn’t work as it was meant to be and (surprisingly) wanted to live its own life.
Thank you for your video.
To leave , work hard , become self sufficient and return on occasion to visit . ……simple as that . But today that seems to be almost impossible. Leaving such comfortable setups that most parents have given their kids is a step down . Most have nothing to work toward . The parents and grandparents have already given it to them . ……..why leave , that means difficulty at times and todays youth does not handle difficulty well at all.
Daniel, your words resonate with me as if they were my own almost word for word. The wanting to be loved, especially when that well is dry, we have to go elsewhere. We owe nothing! We are not responsible for the burden of being. We are a gift designed by God in his image and likeness to be gifted into the experience of this world as his children. Our parents are bound by choices and actions that brought us life into this plane of existence through divine union. We owe God our gratitude and our parents owe us the life they forsaken in sin and bringing about the experience of a mortal death unasked. You Deserve more, We deserve more, We are all here for each other to some aspect and our lives also bring about choices and actions that make this world what it is. Heal your pain, and be loved.
What parts of life could actually be considered a gift under objective standards? Because everything else holds in that respect, except for the claim that life is a gift, and by proxy that we owe it to life to be the best that we can be.
It just isn’t in line with the same objective basis that is used to determine what we commonly experience; it seems to be entirely determined by personal subjectivity, and therefor as real as any other unfalsifiable, unproven claim.
Life is more accurately described as being a curse rather than a gift.
We don´t owe them anything at all - but they badly used us like their personal slaves - when they finally died - I did not even go to their funerals - my body just said no! Good job.
NOT A GODDAMN THING......
People have a moral responsibility to deal with their emotional baggage. If you don't have the courage to undertake that, you certainly don't have the courage to be a good parent.
Nor do you have the ability. You WILL abuse your kids if you don’t deal with your own childhood abuse. If only we treated child abuse as the serious crime it really is.
I didn't take care of my parents because although they fed and clothed me, they didn't nurture me very well.
I fully agree with this. And, I’m speaking as a parent.
I feel so alone and abandoned Daniel. I feel like I got short changed when it comes to parents. How do I become a good person? How do I heal? I have panic attacks so frequently that it's debilitating, I wish I was whole, I wish I was healed, I wish I could be whole like you, in so many ways I wish I could be more like you. You are whole and secure in your body, my anxiety attacks come and go frequently that I don't know what to do. I call crisis lines to speak with kind souls who try to calm me down. I feel so alone and abandoned Daniel. I feel so alone and abandoned. I was left. I was left. I was left. I need to heal, working is important but I need to heal first. I have time and space to heal, I have time and space to heal, I have time and space to heal. I need to calm myself down and see that I am safe.
If you don’t already have children, dont. Fix yourself first
Look into tapping. There are videos on this platform. Also, EMDR. And CBT. You may need a therapist to guide you through the processes of releasing stuff. Also, look into your diet. A lot of anxiety can be connected to nutritional deficiencies. I'm not saying ALL, but just check into it. If your body doesn't have the nutrition to create feel-good substances, well, you probably aren't going to feel too good. Get that gut flora in shape as well.
I am grateful that my parents gave me life ...although I also acknowledge that life spark comes from another source. I was at the mercy of parents for early survival. This discussion has been writ large on my life for at least a decade. It has been very self damaging. Finally, I have come to the same conclusion that you have outlined. The last few years ....and probably a few to come ....are dedicated to self nuture and reparenting.
Yes! There is a reason why a mother bird pushes her chicks out of the nest as soon as they have learned how to fly. That’s why children are called our offspring… we are to protect them, provide for and care for their needs as they grow up, to love them unconditionally and help them ‘spring off’ into adult life successfully …and without any ties to our aprons keeping them entangled to us. They are free and separate individuals. Children are a gift from God who come through us and we never ever owned them. They owe us Nothing and it’s their free will to chose whether or not they want to keep us as part of their lives when we grow older.
Thanks Daniel.
Well, this added a trauma to work on. I worked for my parents because they could get a tax break, but they never paid me. I don't know what they reported as my wage. I probably started around age 7 or 8. They bragged about it to other cult members, and told them about the loop hole, encouraging others to do it.
my genius 90 year old father is a sadistic psychopathic narcissist who expects me to be understanding of his emotionally abusive behavior since he was having a bad day ; yet he never calls me, he just emails me his horrible slandering messages
(yes my mother was a total slave to my Dad) and all of us kids worked too doing daily chores and we would be beaten if we didn't stay in line.
Unfortunately, birth is a Trauma Bond to parents and this world.
"Gift" of life? LOL.
My MIL would say I should have more children so they take care of me when I’m older. That’s not my reason to have a child, my child doesn’t owe me anything. I hope to give my child a happy life, with nothing in return.
Thank you for this video!
AMAZING insight, I can so relate.
I can really recommend his book. Just finished it and after reading it slowly with alot of time in between the chapters to reflect about it, I can say that I discovered now the reason for my life-paralysis. And it feels like I was able to kick out that was is called malignant introject - somehow scientific books didn't gave me this clear view, they offered a scientific model and alot of fancy words for it, but it was not handy and tangible.
A real treasure - his book.
I love how you just say it - farm animal, parasite. These are the perfect metaphors. Well said, and thank you for the validation that we don't owe people who treat us like a resource to extract sustenance from.
Very good, thank you! 💗
We live in the best circumstances for personal growth since life first emerged. Before us there was no room to indulge who or what we might be due to the imperative for survival. After awakening to what I am prior to the identity I created to deal with the brutish world around, I cried, I cried tears of gratitude for what my parents did simply to house and feed me. Yes, I agree with you on what is your response ability. I also share with the world every day so we all may continue towards wholesomeness. Though our parents are an inextricable part of the platform for our possibility.
thank you.. I needed to hear this
Once again, great video! 🙏🏻
I totally agree with you
I think my daughter owes me nothing. Actually, I owe her a lot, because in her childhood she was watching aggressive father yelling and I didn't take her out from that situation. :(
My father didn't protect me from my abusive mother and aunt..
My childhood was very very traumatic
A country getting strong and wise children will help the parents. 3 psychologists, a brain surgeon, a nurse, a professional cleaner and so on. The child can call those and be the engineer or the unemployed or the depressed one.