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That's...not even superman/Clark Kent. That's Superman's SON, Jon Kent! Like at least get your facts right. Second off, Superman has been used for so many political issues throughout the century, including immigration and, guess what? GAY PEOPLE TOO! That person has never read a superman comic in his entire life and I can tell.
Also how often is Clarks het relationships "pushed" at the readers.
Lana, that mermaid, his wife, wonder woman, and more i am sure, but no we never hear them complain there
I was looking for someone to mention this - this isn't a retcon, there's literally nothing to complain about. Superman's son can be whatever sexuality, it doesn't change anything about Superman's story. I feel like a lot of these conservatives actually know this (it's usually the first thing people tell them) and are choosing to ignore it to further THEIR agenda.
it being 'political' goes waaaay back too, in the 1930s the kkk expressed that they were fans of superman, so when the radio show people heard that, they made sure the next episode was superman beating the crap out of the kkk
@@austinfernando8406 reminds of the time jack kirby the creator of black panther and eternal and others, when ask if jack can add a white person in black panther. So he replied in the next issue that black panther fight the kkk
Exactly! Superman was created by sons of Jewish immigrants. Of course it was always political. Superman being pro-immigrant especially but also just generally politically progressive is literally in his dna.
The fact that this guy said multiple times that comic book is for CHILDREN
Like, there are more teenagers and adults reading this type of comic books, rather than small children
I don't think comic books have been dominated by kids since the 1950s (and maybe 60s). Even then, some kids tended to focus more on watching Howdy Doody and Westerns on TV (and no, they weren't all like the mean kid in Willy Wonka, some of those kids, like my dad, had ADHD and reading difficulties nobody knew how to treat).
The comic is literally teen rated,the perfect audience for the book
Exactly
There’s a single shelf at my comic book store for kids but the rest is teens and adults. Like just because it’s got pictures doesn’t mean it’s immature :)
Yeah like especially Marvel comics? I've never known a kid to read those movie and shows maybe but I don't feel like kids read comic series anymore.
im glad that they kept the pro immigrant message in superman, thats always been something that he fought for cuz hes also an immigrant (just from another planet) and he knows how it feels
True, plus the guy thalked as if kids are not refugees themselves. It is a topic kids can learn about in a way that is age appropriate
And making kids aware of politics and refugees? Bruh we had an entire generation raised on GI Joes and superman fighting against the public enemy in the old comics
@@anothercub6958 ?
@@Toastedcheese666 You know, I can't really explain what you're confused about if you don't tell me what you're confused about...
@@anothercub6958 well I don’t understand what you meant
Comic books have ALWAYS been political! Also side note: they are not inherently ‘for children’. Many comic books are very much for adults, and the vast majority are intended for a range of ages and audiences
Superman being about an immigrant and immigration, such a new discovery ! 😂
Watchmen... but for kids!
@@0MelleJune0 Right!? Crazy :P
@@doodledude8190 Haha yup, exactly what I was thinking!
@@0MelleJune0 Wasn't there also a cover of a old Superman comic with him punching Nazis? Sounds political to me!
If that one guy spent two seconds looking into comics, he’d know actual comic books are not intended for kids! Actual comic books are mainly for older audiences as they can sometimes get really dark. If someone is old enough to handle that, they can handle the idea that everyone deserves rights.
I mean... There's also a lot of scenes of Superman being spanked in the original comics too, definitely not for kids lmao. I'd not want my 7 year old reading a comic of straight Superman being spanked by his dad and saying "Harder daddy!"
Trying to picture like a 5 year old reading Watchmen... Yeah not sure why people think comics are for kids lol
Joker feeding the bat fam their own faces
And I'm also pretty sure that this bi Superman he's complaining about isn't even Superman, it's Superman's son.
Wonder if that guy's in favour of banning 'Maus' in schools.
I would also like to point out the children, on the whole, don't read comics anymore. The market has dwindled to the point where the TARGET audience of mainstream American comics is men in their 20s-40s and maybe, just maybe, they need a little more exposure to queer representation. It pisses me off that the 'think about the children' argument has been used to try and shut down every bit of social progress in the US.
damn got here before me, i was gonna comment the same thing, bc i genuinly dont remember the last time i saw a child read a comic book. i've seen some reading manga (i feel like thats a little more mainstream for kids now) but comics have been for an adult audience for a while now, and besides art has always been political
Yep! Opened the comments to see if anyone had mentioned this, haha. Most comics are pretty 15+, either thru violence or serious/complex topics that most kids under that age wouldn't find engaging.
"think of the Children!" at the same time "no, you don't deserve free healthcare. people that can't pay should not live"
The " think of the children" argument makes me want to smack my face into the wall. Im so tired of homophobes and transphobes using that as an excuse to try and take away rights from the lgbtq community. The argument doesn't even make sense and its such a stretch but it works so disgustingly well. Im very tired of this whole " think of the children" facade.
Not kidding, I once met a guy saying that free healthcare is stupid because people will start using ambulances instead of taxis.
At first I thought that he was talking about (sick or injured) people calling taxis to go to hospital will start using ambulances and how it's unacceptable and communist and all...
...but he completed with "they will start calling ambulances to take them to the mall".
oh god, I think even the conservatives know people are stupid
As an Australian (we have very socialised healthcare), I can confirm that no one takes ambulances like taxis. And the fine that they would receive by abusing the health system like that would deter them anyway. I’ll never understand people who don’t want socialised healthcare.
@@cursedwyvern3044 I also live in a country with public healthcare system where people are not dying from diabets, and I can assure that I had never seen not a single soul calling an ambulance instead of a bus, uber or taxi to go anywhere but hospitals
As an actual healthcare worker, people, I've SEEN where people do this. Just not to the mall. They just say that they want to go to XYZ hospital and then when they get where they want to go (like a town along they way to the hospital) they'll just tell the crew to let them out and refuse to go to the hospital.
@@kns6958 I'm sure it happens, but it isn't common here. Do you not fine them?
It's weird that I still hear "I don't have a problem with queers I just don't think people should write about them, depict them, or basically let them be visible in media"
"i think Sexuality shouldn't be shoving down children's throat, not gay and not straight."
Heterosexual affection literally everywhere
"Na, that's fine."
The Q-slur is hate speech for which you will be arrested.
ok but that one guy is the only gay person i’ve ever seen genuinely say “the gay agenda” without making fun of it or saying it doesn’t exist or whatever and it honestly feels like i accidentally fell into a different reality or something-
Exactly! Had to reboot my my brain cause like? _You're_ gay! Wouldn't you know what the gay agenda is and describe it??
Like the only time I've ever said or herd the gay angenda was people making jokes about the alphabet Mafia
The Gay Agenda is to meet up and hang out like buds.
Also yes I am in fact gay
IKR WTAF-
@@saturn6784 we have the same name lol
The healthcare gay really thought he did something with "you only have a right to things that are 'inherent' to you" and then screwed his own argument by listing freedom of speech and religion as "examples."By his logic, not having the right to the labor and taxes (even tho if you're a legal resident/citizen you pay taxes so you would have a right use tax money for needs) is the same as not having the right to free iPhones to communicate your free speech or free paper. He just spouted words he read from the first 10 pages of a college politics textbook and considered that enough research lmfao. (also hospitals in America are notorious for adding hidden fees and inflating the cost of procedures and labor to make more profit so even if you "should" pay for it yourself, a 10 minute, routine check up alone, with no labs, should not cost $400+ but here we are.)
Sorry I get too fired up about how fucked the us healthcare system is
The American health care system is reliant on GoFundMe and this is unnecessarily normalised. It is fucked up
America clearly needs to funnel taxpayer dollars into into healthcare AND education, bc then the quality of the education will go up and we won’t have people saying this kind of nonsense. He looks like a whole clown. 🤡🤡🤡
@@abenagyampo Yep but of course, the concept of not dying due to preventable circumstances is politicized. Same issue as guns as conservatives would allow a family to go bankrupt due to medical bills rather than be responsible for not shooting their guns without training
He's gonna regret saying all of that BS when he's about to die of a heart attack... (And this is not me being funny btw)
@@abenagyampo apart from the fact that the education system is heavily skewed one way (conservative and capitalist)
That gay man ranting about the gay agenda made me wish for that clip to be satire, maybe a cut followed by some "a gay agender" pun or something. As Ready to Glare would say, "my disappointment is disappointed", and as Luxeria and Roly would say, "Get in the bin".
Also ItsBen, he says “Get in the bin” too
I personally love the fact that Superman is gonna be part of the LGBTQ+ community. as a bisexual cis woman I find it adorable and it feels like we are moving forward as a society.
there have been gay comic book characters for years! I believe marvel's first gay superhero (northstar, a flying speedster who is currently a part of the x-factor team) came out way back in the 80s. maybe it's because he's canadian. captain america had a best friend who was gay and jewish (ofc the mcu erased him, his name is arnie roth) comics actually have a lot of gay representation and diversity overall, but sadly, superhero movies don't.
Yoooo lets go bi gang!
Thats not Superman thats Jon Kent superman's (Clark Kent/Kal El) son. And yeah since Clarks gone he's superman n stuff and I'm glad ppl r getting representation but we gotta remember it's only Jon not Clark.
@@icesparrow4080 I'm also glad that they aren't just changing the sexuality of an already made character but a fairly new one that's character is getting more fleshed out. That's what I see a lot in the media instead of creating NEW stories and NEW characters with their own backstory and traits they change a character.
but sales are going flat hill lmfao
Why do people think being in a relationship is sexual..? I have an ace buddy who’s dating someone. Being gay isn’t sexual. Being straight isn’t sexual. People always say “there’s too many gay people in tv shows nowadays!” When there’s always been a ton of straight people
7:29 "I don't believe that children should be involved in any sexual topic whether it's straight or gay" Who's making it sexual? No one, it's sexuality, it's romance. Let's say it's a straight hero, they'd have romantic partner, does it make it sexual? No coz it's romance, first and foremost it's about feelings. Such ppl keep saying - Don't shove gays down my throat, but continue talking about straight ppl, which is not sexuality apparently? p.s. comics are not only for children ffs.
I have a friend who is like this, of course white cis male, he just doesn't understand struggles he doesn't go through and tries to fit in the youth of our town by making fun of them. I confronted him about this once and he just laughed and said I was being a snowflake.
Then why do you call him your friend
@@Milo_atw He grew up in a very religious household that doesn't accept queer people and life's been hard on him, even if he's not perfect I still care for his health and happiness.
@@mariwiwi I think for your mental health, you might wanna downgrade this guy to an acquaintance, but it's your life.
Hopefully one day he can educate himself, since he won’t listen to you.
can I just say invalidating someone because of their gender and race is gross, no matter how you rephrase it. Being a man in general is hard because you can't say anything without your point being belittled about things that aren't relevant. If you have a good point, someone race and gender shouldn't matter.
Me as a gay man, I just feel sorry for them,they try so hard to impress and support conservative people that doesn't even like them.that's sad..🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
It reminds me of having a crush on my bully in 5th grade🤦♀️
@@jittercritter totally agree😿
These Tik Tok clowns who consider themselves gay conservatives have Stockholm Syndrome.
Do people not realize that their taxes can go towards universal healthcare which not only cover others, but themselves as well. My significant other is Type 1 Diabetic and his parents removed him from their insurance. Granted, they didn't have to keep him on, but since insurance is so expensive, he has to get his insulin and supplies at Walmart since they now give that stuff OTC w/o insurance, without costing an arm and leg.
Superman dates Lois Lane: This is fine
Superman dates a guy: BUT THE KIDS
Theres literally an entire comic series where superman turns into a murderous dictator. And literally no one batted an eye. But apparently gay superman is to much for them
7:30 “I don’t believe that children should be involved in any sexual topic, whether it’s straight or gay”
So then I’m assuming you’ve been just as vehemently disgusted by the romantic tension/relationship between Clark and Lois this whole time? …Right?
Homophobic and gay? At the same time?
That's pretty cringe, bro.
I have never been more stunned then, hearing a gay man be fully homophobic is complete disturbing.
About the difference between leftist and liberal, in places that are not as extremely conservative as the us, liberalism is consideres a "right-wing" thing. Liberalism means believing in free market and not wanting the governement to be involved, and stuff. So, at least in Spain, the two main positions are liberal (right wing) and socialist (left Wing)
Same in France, liberals are considered right wing 🤷🏻♀️
Yup same in denmark, if you wanna go really leftist you vote for The comunist party, Although it hasnt really been The most populair
The US is extremely conservative? Where’d you get that from? Here in Poland socialism is the far left and barely any people support it openly, and when it comes to stuff like gay marriage or abortion those who support it are most often called liberals or leftists (interchengably), but liberalism is otherwise understood to be a seperate thing
@@doxaforthesoul Well its The Whole “cancer doesnt cancel out a shattered leg” not saying either poland or America is a cancer, but its true that poland is very conservative, and so is America. Hell in Texas alot of people are trying to stop things Like abortions, and get LOOSER gun control. Also they hate The gays just as much as a stereotypical polish person would. And i dont mean that every American hates gay people. Hell The left if there for a reason. But The conservatives especially dont Like that poc are invading their “White made” country
@@doxaforthesoul Yeah you are totally right. On a large scale the US might not *extremely* conservative, it just is from my spanish perspective.
I saw an episode of Captain Planet when I was a kid that showed a polluted future where elephants were extinct for so long that the Planeteers hypothetical great-grandchildren thought elephants were a myth and I'm pretty sure that traumatized me about climate change more than whatever the supposed "agenda" was.
This video literally made my day. I was really stressed about exams I have this week and taking these few minutes to watch your video was great.
funniest thing about gay superman is that IT ISNT EVEN CLARK KENT ?????? its his son who is bisexual last i checked
The comics thing is so funny. They’re getting mad about this as if Superman wasn’t originally an immigrant who defended minorities
So, I'm Black, and that Black guy about 4 minutes in is making a fairly common/valid point but basing it in a fundamental misunderstanding of what privilege is and how it functions. White liberals and white leftists often assume they have already done the work or that they don't need to do the work to address their racism. It's also common for white liberals/leftists to overstep some serious boundaries while engaging with Black people and Black communities. For example, calling Black people who they don't think are radical or liberal enough 'traitors' or 'stupid' because they personal think Black people should be radical. Or insisting they know what Black people and Black communities need better than the communities do. Basically, it is common in my experience and the experiences of many other POC that white liberals and leftists often perform imperialist white saviorism without being willing to critically assess what they're doing and why they're doing it. These are valid points and also things that Black and other POC liberals and leftists are discussing as well. The issue, obviously, is the way he's tied it to a misconception about what privilege actually is.
That guy is a millionaire trust fun baby.
@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 That would definitely explain why he doesn't understand privilege
When reading a comic, I watched an 11-year-old get stabbed through the heart by an aged-up clone under the orders of his mother. Queer people are not the worst thing to show up in comics and honestly, comics are not for young children
"a lot of ppl don't know that you're queer"
I dunno.... Have you seen his manicured eyebrows?? Even the worst gaydar is gonna pick up on those things...just sayin
That "you don't have a right" dude is bonkers.
He says "You only have a right to things that are inherent to you" and then lists two things that *absolutely* can be taken away unless that right is enforced by society.
Access to free health care should absolutely be one of those "inherent" rights.
I absolutely love your top, it's so cute and looks amazing on you! Also, did you get your hair redone? It looks fantastic. Thank you for always brightening my day and being your awesome self!
People don't understand how Superman has always been a very political and progressive character. Batman is man vs man and Superman is man vs self. He always had the most interpersonal and political comics as a story about a man who can do anything fighting a big bad isn't intresting. One of my favourite of Clarks stories was when he was dying but took some of his time to stop a depressed girl who was about to kill herself.
As a teacher who teaches in public school, I have so many objections to the “you don’t have the right to free healthcare” argument. Especially since our military is glutted. It’s all about what we’ve been conditioned to pay for. And we should pay for basic necessities for people. Especially in the “land of the free…capitalism.”
The funniest thing about this video to me is the fact that Dwaekki is just chilling in the background while being naked
I normally pay on all my dates. Even if I have a date with a guy, I at the very least split the bill
Funny how "superman gay agenda" guy isn't sitting there bashing every time Superman had a girlfriend, even though he didn't think that kids should "be introduced to anything sexual, gay or straight." Speaks volumes.
The thing is that most comics aren't for kids anyways. They are usually rated t or t+ and some are marked for specifically adults only. I mean there is literally a black widow series that centers around kids being tortured and killed on the internet. I wouldn't say the target audience for that is kids. at my local comic shop, there is a very small section of kids comics that truly like, for little kids. That superman comic would not be one of them.
"Stop giving me your toughest battles lord"
"It's literally just a rainbow"
I literally started reading Son of Kal-El for Jay, because not only is it an accessible form of representation for me, Jay is literally me. Pink hair and all and I love it!
The black gay dude is Christian Walker and he is essentially a trust fund baby. His dad was a famous NFL player so he was born in to enormous wealth so that's why he is so far removed from reality.
I love how conservatives think people on welfare are lazy but they elected a trust fund baby as president.
OMG I ONLY JUST NOTICED UR CHANGBIN DWAEKKI PLUSHIE IN THE BACKGROUND!!!
are they aware adults read comics---?
I can’t this is to much mental gymnastics
give. me. those. earrings.
now.
PLEASE I WANT THEM
What is the difference between liberal and leftist? I didn't know there was one until now
Also it wasn’t even Superman, it’s his nephew.
I love your comment section! So many well written, insightful people.
Okay but like, your makeup is so fucking pretty holy
They’re giving ✨internalised homophobia✨
Hi, DC fan here, yah the majority of DC comics are 12+
I don’t think that the Walker boy would think the way he does if he went out as himself to the RNC without that following protecting him.
The health care one made me wish for the millionth time health care is free because in my family two people have depression one person has anxiety disorder two people have hdhd and one person has crones (I think that's how you spell it) in general I just mean our family costs a lot health care wise.
I'm sorry to say this but anti LGBT ads are now playing before your videos. RUclips only ever dose this on queer content and it's sickening. To anyone who saw the ad before this video you are valid. There is nothing wrong with you, your gender identity, or sexuality.
It’s cause they allow advertisers to choose what keywords they wanna advertise under and homophobes love to get off by putting anti gay ads on gay peoples vids
as someone who's been reading comics for the longest time, if your kids are old enough to read comic books in which people are getting hurt, murdered, tortured & abused, they are old enough to learn about the fact that gay people exist lmao
Fr… and if they’re old enough to know about hetero relationships they’re old enough to know about same sex relationships AND old enough t know about trans people.
I just find it ridiculous that he said “kids shouldn’t be involved in anything sexual, gay *or* straight” yet… is upset that a gay couple is featured when hundreds of other comics feature straight couples. I wonder what it is about two men in a romantic relationship that’s “sexual”
Though to be fair, I’ve never scrolled through his Tiktok page myself. Maybe he is making videos criticizing every comic that features a straight couple🤷♀️
Also, if this guy did 2 seconds of research, he’d know it’s his SON in a same-sex relationship. I’m not even into Superman and I know this from the articles about it. Even if Clark Kent was in a same-sex relationship, would it really be that different from his straight relationships?
And like, almost no comic book readers are kids. I didn't get into comics until I was twelve, and even then I had barely any access to them, and I never see kids in comic shops
@@darkshadowrule2952 Yeah parents should be more worried about their kids being shown excessive violence and gore, not “the gay agenda”.
Okayyyy, here we go. Firstly, Comics! They are not written for children. Most can be very gruesome. Just because its drawn or animated, doesn’t mean its for kids. I used to work at a comic store and the only ones that bought them were on average 20 to 30. I saw no kids dragging their parents to buy the latest issues. Secondly, Superman! He’s literally an immigrant from an other planet that blue up due to climate irregularities (it was because it was getting closer to the sun not pollution, but similar enough). It makes sense that he wouldn’t want his adoptive home planet to be destroyed due to human stupidity. And as an immigrant, or rather alien, himself, he wants to help people like him who just need a home. Its not force feeding liberal ideas, its just a logical progression of what Superman would value based on his upbringing.
Finally, about free health care and taxes… we pay the taxes… so we get the free health care… everyone pays the taxes and thats why they get it. What made him think that people don’t pay it… where did he think the taxes came from? I don’t know how other places work, but in Canada, everybody pays taxes unless they are frauds or criminals. Thats why everybody gets free health care.
In France we have a few people who don't pay taxes, but it's people who do not have enough money to pay the taxes. We don't mind helping people out with having access to free health care 😊
Krypton exploding has serious parallels with the climate crisis, since it could have been prevented if people would just listen to Jor-El, who was the only one who knew.
@@OtseisRagnarok very true! I thought it was similar enough to relate even though the causes were different. Some might not think so, but I heavily agree with you!
Bet that kid has a mental breakdown when he discovers Captain Planet was teaching about climate change 20 years ago.
Ever read attack on titan anyone?
ugh. i went through a pick me gay phase when i was like 14. literally my favorite thing to say was "aS a gAy mAn..." but i can't imagine being a grown ass adult and siding with people that blatantly don't want you to have equal rights.
It’s honestly fucking sad, makes me think of pastor Martin niemöller. Ignoring or siding with people who want you to burn won’t spare you, it just means you’ll be alone when they come for you.
Do you see it going the other way with some of us who are similarly accepting lower-class status to ingratiate themselves with anti-gay leftists?
I was like that before covid and i was 18 so i was already an adult... Yikes 😅 i changed in quarantine when i had some alone time to reflect and research and match up that research with my own real life experiences... It's like she said, it's hard to accept we're oppressed.
@@Santabby very off topic, but I love your profile pic
I honestly think we all have, I was a proper pick me when I was 15 but then grew out of that phase when I was 18 but I was so anti-fem, anti-nb, anti-gay representation for younger audiences, I used to think gay people are privileged (especially feminine gay men), I was proper Blaire White fan, and I even used to listen to Steven Crowder... Eww...
Despite the fact I was gay myself..
The list goes on and on but I was very unlikable back then...
not them acting like climate change is a POLITICAL issue and not a real world issue that’s actually scientifically proven😍😍
Yes like bxtch why did they denied this fxcking much?? Like what is so wrong with accepting that the earth is dying
Right? Like it’s literally a fact that it’s real! It’s not up for debate!
America likes to make everything and anything political
@@Qwerty-lq2op them: the world is always going through changes!
us: right, but we're currently speeding up the process and that's going to make it unlivable for humans in general in the very near future.
them: okay, commie!
@@littleasianboy532
People in other countries: Wear your mask please, its for your protection.
Many Americans: *THE MASKS ARE LIBERAL PROPAGANDA DESIGNED TO TAKE AWAY OF FREEDOM!!!*
I call people like that second guy "bootstrap idealists". He's the kind to think that we as black people are not systematically oppressed because "look at how many black people made it in Hollywood or became millionaires". One example of success to them means we all can make it, so they say "black people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop being (insert all the negative stereotypes here)".
It's a sort of naivete. They don't want to believe that things are built into our government to make it harder for us, so it has to be something we're doing. It has to be that we are the only ones holding ourselves back. It's an "ignorance is bliss" mindset.
I do believe that there are some black people who swing so far left that they end up alienating other black people and ultimately end up being racist themselves, but I also think this guy is using those people as a scapegoat for believing what he does.
Plus, he's conflating "white people have privilege in today's society" with "white people are better than us". Two different statements with wildly different meanings.
Also his father is rich, so he comes from money. No wonder he ''made it'', I wonder if his daddy would have supported him if he had been a leftist
Your sir are very eloquent
i think if you end up being racist you aren't actually leftist
@@ThylineTheGay it's the same as some feminists becoming misandrists because they start to see men as the enemy, and start looking down on them.
There are some black people, and I've met them, that are such advocates for black power that they become black supremacists. They start alienating other black people by changing what it means to be black, and they say horribly racist things about white people (no I don't conflate systemic racism with racism. It's not systemically racist, but it's still racist)
Those examples are what I meant by "swinging so far left that you end up on the right"
Edit: how do you get your username like that?
Maybe he's in the sunken place
7:28 "I don't believe that children should be involved in any sexual topic whether it's straight or gay"
The most that they did was kiss in the comic, why are all gay relationships inherently a "sexual topic"?
But its ok for staight people to go around telling everyone “we’re trying for a baby!!” aka they’re fucking every night and hes not pulling out.
My theory is conservatives feel the need to be the heroes of their own story, so they have to mask the homophobia under the guise of “defending” children
Heterosexual affection is literally everywhere! Why is he not criticising that?
And Is he demanding that every Charakter should be ace?
As a gay conservative, I demand censorship of non-gay content.
Love how that dude glossed over the fact that super man is LITERALLY a refugee, an “illegal alien” if you will. (At least the original super man, I’m not caught up on the comics at this point)
it's complicated. The Bisexual one is his son (so you have the child of an immigrant angle). There's also the angle that he's technically originally from another reality which, you can't really be *more* of an immigrant than that.
@@OtseisRagnarok well actually i came
*KIDS aren’t supposed to be exposed to LGBT agenda! They are too young!”*
Me (woman) kissing my best friend (also a woman) in the lips, at the age of 8, without even knowing what gay means:
I used to say I would marry my friends lol
@@syaamethyst1297 same lmao
Sameee
Same-
Discusting, not because it’s another woman, just because of how young you were. Also, LGBt isn’t a subject for school children
I love how we immediately went from a very frank, serious discussion about healthcare to "liberals can't take good pics lol". It's like the world's most annoying roller coaster.
People like that (my dad being one of them) are why I call my husband out whenever he picks a whiny voice for someone he doesn't like. Even if he's in the right, it's just childish (and frankly pisses me off, lol)
“As a bisexual i don’t think [the t slur] is a slur” -a Reddit post I saw
As a bi, what is t slur???
@@jefrreyjeffery2192 it’s a slur used towards trans people
Tr@nny. It's weird because it's a transphobic slur, not a homophobic one, so it's not used against bi people
@@jefrreyjeffery2192 the slur for trans people.
Which as a bisexual is none of our business to decide if it is a slur or not
@@brightsoull Unless you're a bisexual trans
The thing about the folks callin out the comics for pushin agendas is they forget that XMen was written as a parallel to the civil rights battles of the 60s (with prof X being inspired by MLK and Magneto inspired by Malcolm X). And they also were queercoded as they get and included stories that were analogies to queer experiences (eg the idea of hiding ones difference, being forcibly outed, having an appearance that outs you regardless of your desires there, being deemed threats to society/children, being forced out of ones home by ones own parents, etc).
These were the kind of comic book stories that even gen Xers grew up on; and those stories only got more in favour of protecting human rights and valuing equality and care for other human beings (you kno; like a superhero wud!) for each new generation. And they also became able to show more and more clear stories and not always have to hide the stories behind analogy and metaphors. First thruout millennials childhoods we saw many comics and superheroes (esp on tv) become much more open about talking about racial issues and show the moral thing to do there. They encouraged equal treatment and fought against bigotry alongside fighting the war on drugs and every other PSA thing we got of superheroes tellin us what is moral and immoral.
And the next generation got stories that had very clear queer subtext and had characters that were clearly intended to be queer but werent able to be open about it, tho eventually those characters wud come out of the closet; and once gay marriage was legalized ofc tons of comics became more open about queer existence. Bcuz they finally can with little fear of being shut down by conservative politicians or other bs like that bcuz they know that the vast frelling majority is in favour of simply encouraging ppl to be allowed to exist and see themselves in media, regardless of their age.
Its also hilarious they act like these comics are targeted at 4 yr olds; not targeted at 12+ yr olds like they actually are >.> The folks reading these books are often also going thru similar experiences as the characters and coming to understand their (and others for that matter) sexuality and romanticality; and seeing that represented helps them immensely to understand themselves and others. They are mature enuf to understand such topics bcuz they are mature enuf to feel the same things as the characters. Theyre not being shown risque shit either; theyre just kissing and holding hands, maybe hugging too. Its not even romantic beyond maybe the kissing (tho even that; kissing isnt inherently romantic, most folks wud kiss other relatives. A passionate kiss tho is possibly another question but even then; its whether the individuals involved see it as romantic that truly matters)
As an aromantic; i totes get the want to not see romantic relationships in public... But like, the straights be the ones doing it by far the most and to the worst degree; like even outright sexual shit in public... I saw plenty cishet men or women stick their hands on risque parts of their spouses/partners (eg down their pants/on their boob) in my time workin retail in a walmart. Nvr once did i see a queer couple do somethin remotely close to that; not even a single kiss in public from any of them i ever saw.
As an ace person, I was always pressured to dislike any X Men related stuff since I grew up among siblings who HATED Marvel. They were DC fanboys 🙄. But now that I am older, I see them also enjoying Marvel and X Men content. I am like , "remember when you guys used to make fun of me for being a fan of Storm and Jean Grey" and they would pretend to not remember.
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There's also a scene in one of the movies where bobbie's mother asks "have you ever tried just stopping being a mutant" like hmmm where have I heard that before???
Next thing they'll say that Captain America is apolitical.
As a kid, I definitely found stuff in comic books that touched me. I didn't have the words for what it was, but there was someone who knew what I was feeling.
Just remember kids, superman was always meant to be an allegory for immigrants and his creators were to Jewish men who wrote him with the intention of pointing out antisemitic views in America and anti immigrant laws. Superman has always been politically, don't act like it isn't
But politics don't belong in comic their virtue signaling
@@watermonke3323 Comics are art and art has always been political, and rightfully so. Virtue signaling would mean that the comics weren't actually political and just doing one thing to seem "diverse". So I am not sure what you mean with your comment./gen
@@rockabillymuffin that's what their exactly doing
@@watermonke3323 are you being for real? Comics have always been political
@@Shoulderpads-mcgee no they haven't back then maybe but today it Goddamn obvious that their virtue signaling.
I hate how condescending they sound and I know that they'd think they're winning bc of that but god
When they bitch about leftists being "condescending" but unironically treat us like kids.
I LITERALLY just had a long conversation with my old tabletop gaming group about how Lost Cause ideology that had been baked into the system we were using, and the mental gymnastics conservatives go through to excuse racism and bigotry in media is so fucking gross. Rather than admit there's a problem they'll deflect and obfuscate. It's exhausting.
Btw, the system I'm talking about is Deadlands. One of the writers was a proud neo-confederate and it's very obvious when you look at the world they made.
Honestly, I find most tabletop roleplaying games are full of issues. I mean basically every system in inherently based on ableism, since everything resolves just around what characters can do. I work on my own game system to remedy that, throwing out all the baggage the hobby has, but it feels like I have to invent the wheel anew.
@@Drudenfusz may i ask how you're doing that? Like i can see it coming into play with most of the role playing, but like...combat IS inherently based on what you can do, like if you can throw big rock, then you're likely the throw big rock person that specializes in throwing big rocks, while the quick, nimble one is likely the acrobat that can do sneaky stuff and stab stuff with little blades. Unless you're focusing stats on something unrelated to your class, which doesn't really make sense from a gameplay standpoint.
@@cartoondeathnoises8756 I have no classes and no stats, the dice rolls do not determine what the character is doing but how the story is going. Thus you can have your character defeat opponents without landing a single hit, since you can describe them hurting themselves with their attacks, or how lucky your character got. There are plenty of action films or adventure books in which the protagonist is not capable of fighting and still does well in fights, since it doesn't matter a character can do, only what they are willing to do. Fights are because of the rolling for hits and damage are because of the lack of depth to them usually incredible boring (at least to me), I prefer more something with emotional engagement where something interesting is at stake and the whole scene has some meaning to it.
I think the newer version of Deadlands is less toxic. Anyway, I only read the Deadlands Weird West version, I have no idea about the original and how it portray everything.
Oh yeah, the TCG game that went with it had a card that literally had "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!" on it.
Also let's add the black, gay man who said he wasn't oppressed and could be successful is the son of a wealth football player. He isn't in a lower class working to the top like alot of poc. He's also conservative which means the same people who would usually hate crime/harm you favor you now because you are the person they can point to when they get called a bigot.
THIS !!!!! I have seen previous videos on this guy and he sucks so much he is born rich and doesnt work but still complains that "liberals" dont work and want everything handed to them 🙄🙄
Well, damn! Truth spoken! 👏
X-Men actually included a hero character who was undeniably pro-communism in Colossus, introduced in 1975! Furthermore, comics like the Superman comic in which Jonathan Kent is bisexual are usually rated for teens and older, and are not marketed as "for children."
Hell yeah, lets go communism!
My fav part on the Superman one is. Hey. Hey you. You do know the mainline DC universe is primarily aimed at the 15+ market now, right? You do know this comic is specifically aimed at teenagers, like the “stereotypical gay” boyfriend, right? It’s not like it’s “indoctrinating” five year olds.
*say it louder for the people in the back*
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( ' - ' )/an enby amateur fellow DC fan✨
All of the comics I've ever bought or borrowed, have been after I was at least 15 or 16. Some comics are even 18+ (I read Skin and Earth by the musical artist LIGHTS, and it's 18+, but was in the same section as all the DC stuff. It's also very political talking about gentrification, classism, and bisexuality in regards to social expectations). So I never understood when people would go after comics. Most of them are political anyway, even some of the goofy ones play up political things, even if that's women's rights, fighting for the climate, or saying war is wrong.
Every time a conservative says “think of the children” in reference to media that isn’t intended for child audiences a fairy dies
3:40 This a great example of someone who happens to be black/gay rather then being a black/gay person. He's so far removed from the struggles of both communities he's able to spout that ignorance like it's nothing. I imagine it's very easy to feel that way living in a rich gated community filled with mainly other conservative white people. Someone take his internet away I'm done with his clownery
He loves to use the R-slur too.
Wanna know who else is living in a white gated community? Patrissa Cullors, creator of the BLM movement
"it hasn't happened to me personally, therefore it isn't real"
Every gay rightwinger ^
That is the conservative party anthem.
Gay conservatism is the future of America and there will be massive criminal penalties for criticism of any gay conservatives under hate speech laws once we finally get them in this country.
I used to be a conservative queer (B and T in the lgbtq). Is this really how I looked? Embarrassing.
Hey, atleast you changed for The better, and thats all that matters. Welcome to The revoloution comrade
Noah Andreasen haha why thank you
Now that's character development.good on you for changing
I relate to this so hard. Very glad ive grown out of it.
The guy talking about Superman has definitely not read any of the comics and is most definitely pulling that out of his ass. Most comics, especially the ones he’s referring to, most definitely aren’t made for kids. They’re intended for mature audiences! But if someone can handle violence and gore, they can handle two men kissing. Also the Superman he was referring to wasn’t even the Superman he thinks it is. That is his son. I get so annoyed with these people. Like if you’re gonna be hateful for literally no reason, at least back it up with facts. Do the research, dude. ;w;
Anyway, thanks for the great video! These people stress me out (unfortunately I know some personally), and the way you react by explaining why it’s not right is very nice ^^
Sounds like that guy has internalized homophobia
@@drycoochie2146 Oh for sure 💀 I kinda feel bad for him tbh. Genuinely hope he gets better one day and realizes that kind of nonsense is wrong.
I'm so frustrated at the fact that I live in America. I'm aware that there is a level of privilege that comes with that, and I am grateful for that. But UGH, so many things about America make me mad, especially how education works because I was literally brainwashed to think that America is the best and capitalism is amazing and we are doing everything so well and it's so hard to unlearn all of that, though I'm trying so hard. I have had that ingrained in my mind since I was born.
I'm sorry for ranting, I'm very at the world and the government. I told my friend "I so frustrated at people because of my love for them."
People are so f*cking oblivious to how bad some people have it and I'm just very upset
I mean, our country is trying REAL fucking hard to take that privilege away....
@@LaFleurSauvageGaming it’s like they WANT to become a country people will migrate AWAY from lmao
Me too. I am grateful my family went through the effort of bringing me to the U.S. But in my heart I am Mexican. Even though Mexico isn’t any better. I hate the world in general.
I was born in America and raised in a semi-liberal Christian house with a wider conservative Christian family. As someone who now identifies as Queer, uses she/they pronouns, is a witch, likes socialism, and can’t wait to immigrate to Ireland, New Zealand, or Britain- I’ll tell you it is hard work to unlearn all that shit. But it is so worth it.
@@Blue_910 It already is lmao.
Most people I know are planning to migrate to Canada, UK, or Australia, myself included.
I mean, my plan is literally, go to AU for cheaper and higher quality education after my early college, apply for a PR and hopefully I get it.
Guy: talks about comic books with superheroes
Comic books with superheroes: always being about the underdog, the marginalized, the opression
That s why I always loved superhero stuff btw, it made me believe that I can do things too 🥰
@@glitternpain yessss, that's why i hugely love DC Comics...!
The way many issues are talked about just hit different, i think
(no hate to MCU and their fans, i just personally prefer DC)
@@nat.dorenvic DC when it comes to comics are superior in their ways to tell storys and stuff. Marvel might lead in the movie category but superhero movies haven't had a good moral idea behind them in years just pretty lights nowadays. But yeah DC is far ahead and much more capable to show and support issues and such things.
@Nat Dorenwik No worries xdd I'm someone who prefers the DC jin terms of comics, but Marvel in terms of movies. Dunno why that is, but well xd
conservatives: you dont have a right to your own health/life!!
also conservatives: you're not allowed to have an abortion because thats a life!!!
sooooo.... whats the logic here? only the things that you want are things that are allowed? im sad for the people in your life.
You are all valid and incredible and always remember that you are strong. You can do absolutely anything you put your mind to. keep fighting and although days may get tough you are tougher! Never let anyone invalidate you because you are always valid.
Ey. I saw you on Jamie’s new video. Fancy seeing you here too.
Yay there you are again! Thanks for the positive messages Prickly, they always make our days better :) I hope you're having a good day/night!
HELL YEAH
11:00 so what if he does look like a 'Stereotypical Gay' that would be like saying Lois Lane looks like a 'Stereotypical Woman' for having long hair and a skirt
The "yOu DoNt HaVe A rIgHt tO fReE hEaLtHcArE" guy literally makes zero sense. By his logic, no one should have a right to free education and we shouldn't let the government pay teachers. By his logic, the government shouldn't have any employees at all because the government shouldn't be paying anyone's salaries
no police, no land fills, no fire fighters, no nothing. so basically he wants anarchy
As an American, I would much rather my hard-earned money go to paying for someones insulin than to the military
9:56 I think that "preteen" is equivalent to "small child" to conservatives ig
It quite literally is....like what comes before being a teen? being a kid
@@lill.2795 I think pre teen is 10-12, small children are like 4-9
Only when referring to boys. Obviously preteen girls are old enough to have be forced to have babies.
gay identity and gay relationships being seen as being somehow inherently sexual is something that i'm so sick of hearing.
Ok, so one of my favorite tropes is the ‘stereotypical ’ gay character and the ‘non-stereotypical’ gay character, like for example the tomboy and the girly girl, and I think it’s because I can see myself in both of those, there are days when I want to be perceived as more masculine or stereotypical and it’s even a joke I have with my friends ‘do I look gay enough’, but there are also days when I want to be perceived as more feminine or less stereotypical, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with stereotypical gay characters cause they do exist, but as long as they aren’t the ONLY REPRESENTATION we get
Edit: I honestly feel bad for conservatives, it must be difficult to be so stubbornly ignorant and have no idea
Edit: a topic isn’t sexual unless you’re talking about sex, sex and sexuality are two different things, if I’m talking about sex that’s a sexual conversation, if I’m talking about a man who likes another man, that’s not sexual that’s just ‘hey this person likes this other person’, telling someone that something exists is not forcing it on them or shoving it down their throats or anything like that it’s just telling them it’s a thing
My favorite line when I walk into a room full of friends dressed in "full-on lez mode": "I'm a walking stereotype, I know." Stereotypes exist for a reason... I know, I am one. 🤣
STRONGLY AGREE I absolutely hate it when people nick pick parts of a movie saying how a movie or tv show is bad because it uses too many tropes
Like yes some tropes are problematic, yes marginalized groups have been stereotyped and villainalized in the past. but there NEEDS to be more gray lgbtq representation because telling writers what to and not to write can limit the creativity of talented writers and tbh I really depends how you use a trope, cliche, stereotype whatever, and some people Irl fit stereotypes but some people refuse to understand that and would rather try to find something hate even if it never affects them
I want to have a story with morally gray characters but I know people will accuse me of writing a stereotype when there’s so much more to them
It’s like as if there’s no way to win
This reminds me about some politics (white cis men) whose politic party belonged to the right/conservatives and were against gay and lgbt+ people who were caught in a gay orgy.
I honestly don’t know if I should laugh or be angry at them.
There's a political party in Germany who are against lgbt+, immigrants and so on. Their leader is a woman who's married to another woman. She also adopted a poc child and isn't German. Make it make sense.
Honestly I'm thinking of dying my hair rainbow because of this channel
Do it! Just do it!
Don't let your dreams be dreams!
Just do it!✨
@@nat.dorenvic yeah I thought it over an hour and now know I will. Idk when though,hopefully soon
In regards to what ages of children the comic books are aimed at, most comic books stores will put main line DC/Marvel titles as teen and up, so like 13+, and in some rarer cases, 16+, so really, the youngest age that people would theoretically be reading is the exact age that kids are going to be questioning that kind of thing. And DC themselves made clear at one point that their intended demographic is people in their early 30s, which I personally disagree with, but the point being, no one in the creative or distribution areas is intending for those books to be read by "kids" be they preteen or younger.
As for that guy's comment about Superman's stance on the refugee thing... Uh, yeah? Super heroes exist to stand against injustices, he expects _Superman_ of all heroes to be fine with deportation and all that?
Pick me gay: Republicans take HOT pictures! 😍
Republicans: 😃🎣
That superman controversy really makes me laugh. Ppl were up in arms going “mY sUpErMaN, cLaRk KeNt IsNt GaY”. Your right. It’s Clark Kent’s son, Johnathan Kent. So they haven’t change anything, his son is just continuing his legacy :) 😂😂
your comment made me smile
You’re right*
Two people dating isn’t sexual have you seen Disney movies
I went off on a conservative queer cause it was midnight and watching him get angry was the funniest thing and I got called a hateful queen~
Edit: omg I just realized it was the “no free healthcare😠” guy PAHAHA
I just wanna say that i absolutely love your way of reacting to bigotry as you do more than just react to it and go deep into explaining the reasonings behind how those wrong views come about and why they are wrong and why one shud reevalute it. Sure, youre truly preaching to the choir here as all us here are either queer or at least supportive; but it does at least mean that the visitors who may come here with hateful views (such as those reacted to, most hopefully) and find your arguments compelling or at least take a second to step back and hopefully rethink things or seek more information about the topic (which may even be available in the description).
Its truly hard to change the mind of anyone who has a steadfast belief, even with facts and figures; but i def feel youre doing an incred job at taking up that task, while also just being enjoyable to watch for the choir that has often heard similar queer sermons before and is still rdy to amen alongside every grt point made.
Homophobes: We shouldn`t be forcing the gay agenda down kids throat
Also Homophobes: Here, have a movie where a women falls in love with a bee
7:22 so I expect a lot of videos about heterosexual couples in the media on his tiktok as well since we shouldn't force any sexuality on children :)
Saying I do not have the right to free healthcare because I am not entitled to the "labor that it takes to pay the taxes for the healthcare" makes zero sense if I literally am the taxpayer. It’s MY money that is going into funding the healthcare so yah, i am entitled to it. 😑
Not the pick me gays 😣
That dude talking about healthcare like my brain is just screaming "I'M THE ONE WORKING! I'M THE ONE PAYING THOSE TAXES! THAT'S WHY I WANT MY HEALTHCARE!" Like where does the think the taxes and workers are coming from because it sure ain't from the rich.
6:53 the best part is that it's not even clark kent. it's his and lois's son - jon kent lmaooo
I also think that it proves pretty well that the people complaining about it don't really care about the characters or the stories. And it's not even like this the first LGBTQ comic book character or even the first super hero to be LGBTQ.
@@flarewolf
It's the "oh no, some made up comic character is bi and has a boyfriend! I have to make a tiktok about it to lick conservative boots!" for me 👀✨/hj
@@nat.dorenvic OK just to be clear that when you say that it's not a response to what I said in my comment is it? Because I'm not always the best at picking up on things like that especially in text.
@@flarewolf it’s a response to the video and also his comment has an indicator (hj) which means half-joking
@@kaisenpai6551 OK I don't really use much social media other than RUclips so I'm still learning what all these tone indicators mean and was confused because of it.
Also a lot of comic readers are teens and adults
Exactly!
I'm embarrassed for these people