That's not the only shot at Shelley. Sam is protesting that Carla is in the best waitress contest. He brings out a chart that shows the bra size of all the past winners. There is a big dip at one spot and someone asks what happened there. Sam says "oh, that's the year Diane won."
What you failed to realize is that the show runners were brilliant about reminding the audience of Diane every now and then. As the last season approached they did it more. It was obvious they would bring her back. Cheers would never have succeeded without Diane. No way.
I watched this show with my mom when I was growing up . I just went back and watched the entire series on Netflix . I prefer Diane to Rebecca , but Diane leaving didn’t ruin the show. In fact it gave new life to the show that it probably needed.
@@daviswendye I'd say the first 3 seasons were the sharpest. By season 4 the Sam/Diane was running thin and it just definitely lacked the sharpness of the 1st 3 seasons. I think season 5 was criticised for Diane's character having become annoying.
I doubt Shelley thought she was bigger than the show. It's been reported widely that she had more movie offers and that's what she wanted to do. She did movies before "Cheers". Many people forget that. Ted Danson said that there was stress between them but always "on a professional level, not a personal level", in his words. I've read too that Shelley spoke to the writers a lot about her character and that may have caused resentment. There may have been complaints that her costume changes took too long too. I don't know first hand if those things were true but Shelley may have just had a different way of working. Look what she did with Diane Chambers. It worked. Shelley got a lot of hostility for leaving but the Sam and Diane thing was played out. Her work helped make the show a hit and her exit let it get a new life. Still, I can picture Shelley watching the drive-in scene at home and just seething about it. That dig was a cheap shot after all she had done for the show.
She came back. It’s all good. Diane leaving was good for her character. Rebecca worked out for a few seasons but then the writers quickly didn’t know what to do w her and turned her into a cartoon.
Pat Hingle seemed like he was in an episode of just about every TV series that was on from the 1960s through the 1990s. But most people remember him as the crooked police chief in the Dirty Harry movie Sudden Impact.
It's funny how Norm instantly recognizes Gus while Sam who bought the bar from him had to be reminded who he was. But I guess that Norm spent more time in the bar when Gus owned it than Sam.
Norm says himself in an episode he’s been at Cheers since the Ford Administration. That would be at least 1974-75. Present day he’s been a regular at Cheers for at least 47 years. He’ll likely die on that stool of his.
The writers were not kind to Shelley after she left, which is odd considering how great she'd always been in her performances and how much she did to cement the reputation of the show. The fact that in the finale, that weeping mess Rebecca had the nerve to act as if she was better than Diane, and say Sam had been "saved by the bell!" by breaking up with her, was an insult.
The only thing I can see that to work out, is that Coach sometimes is wrong alot. When he try to look up Gus, he might have gotten the wrong Gus my mistake. We all know how Coach is, he probably grabbed his phone book and picked the first Gus name he saw thinking it's him. How Norm doesn't remember that, I blame the beer.
In Season 1 Episode 2 - "Sam's Women", Leo comes in looking for Gus as Gus is the only one who can help him with his brand of advice. Norm mentions that Gus was two owners ago, later in the episode Coach tells Leo that Gus is dead. So obviously the source that Coach called and talked to in regards to Gus was wrong. Or, it could just simply be a writer's continuity error.
When u watch episodes after nicolas colasanto passes away look 4 pic of geronimo in background. I believe writers/director said it was nic who brought that pic to the set. And they decided to leave it in honor of him and include it in the background when possible! God bless nicolas colasanto. Doubt anyone could've played coach better! 😉
Indeed it was. Shelley's ego went HUGE because of her success with "Money Pitt" then "Outrageous Fortune" and decided to quit Cheers to focus on movies instead of T.V. ...but she didn't realize...those two roles were basically Diane just with different co-actors....so her "movie career" basically tanked.
@@bubbaguy4411 I saw just two of her movies. Like you said she just played the exact same character with a new set of co-stars. Never cared for her on Cheers. Wouldn't have seen her movies had it not been for dating the ex wife at the time
It never says how old he is, but over the course of the show he pitched between 1973 and 1977 and also bought Cheers in 1977. So figuring he got out of baseball in his early mid 30's due to alcoholism, that puts him late 40's at best in this particular show. A better question would be how old is Norm
@@pachma405 It says 93 on on IMDB but things are off by a year or so based on the 17 year comment. That would mean he bought it in 76. Also says Norm was married to Vera in 72
She was from close2my hometown! Best episode...best part....sam "as i see it you have 2 choices" they are on a boat. Who can finish it w/o goin online? Sam stands up and she chooses option 1!
I like Shelley Long, and Diane, and the first half of the series, but I think her departure was good for the show. She left at the end of season 5. The show went on for 6 more seasons. I don't think they could have dragged out Sam and Diane's relationship in any form for 6 more seasons. I do think it might have been nice if they had worked it out in the last epi, though.
Lilith never left the show, became a recurring character and the part of the main cast and then back to recurring character. Shelly Long started as a main character and then left the series.
She was probably alright with it because she did the finale. She also had to deal with all the insults thrown at her by Carla (Rhea Perlman), some not too flattering.
Not really. When you're on a successful series, as Woody described it, you don't leave, not even for films that might possibly break even at the box office. She screwed herself, so this little inside joke was appropriate. Kelsey Grammer learned to not make that same mistake. Fun fact: Shelley Long tried to get Grammer kicked off the show. I guess the joke's on her.
+Anna Parker Clooney probably didn't piss off the crew unlike Shelley Long. I've heard that she was insufferable almost like her character. She should have kept the job, whereas Clooney actually had the chops to make it in Hollywood (not that I actually like the guy).
even if she did piss of the crew, so what? To publicly shame her like that was a mean thing to do. And lots of people that have chops don't make it in hollywood. Whether you make it or not is often down to luck. The right movie at the right time.
+Anna Parker Either way, she had it coming. Wherever you work, always respect the "little people" (as Shelley Long viewed them), and this includes castmates in this case as it was speculated that only few of them liked working with her. Otherwise, it might come back to bite you on the ass like the crew did to her. It's as if the cast and crew were waiters, and Shelley Long was the customer. You know that saying, "Don't fuck with the people who handle your food."
“You must be Coach’s boy.”
That line has always cracked me up.
“Hey Gus...!”
“Hey Norm...!”
😂😂😂
In one of the early seasons, a customer comes in looking for Gus. Coach tells him that Gus is dead.
Gus is not dead...
Just like Frasier's father was however on the new Frasier he is once again dead.
Proof that Norm was immortal.
That's not the only shot at Shelley. Sam is protesting that Carla is in the best waitress contest. He brings out a chart that shows the bra size of all the past winners. There is a big dip at one spot and someone asks what happened there. Sam says "oh, that's the year Diane won."
What you failed to realize is that the show runners were brilliant about reminding the audience of Diane every now and then. As the last season approached they did it more. It was obvious they would bring her back.
Cheers would never have succeeded without Diane. No way.
I watched this show with my mom when I was growing up . I just went back and watched the entire series on Netflix . I prefer Diane to Rebecca , but Diane leaving didn’t ruin the show. In fact it gave new life to the show that it probably needed.
The writers lost their touch after the first four seasons. Nothing inherently wrong with the Rebecca character.
@@daviswendye I'd say the first 3 seasons were the sharpest. By season 4 the Sam/Diane was running thin and it just definitely lacked the sharpness of the 1st 3 seasons. I think season 5 was criticised for Diane's character having become annoying.
Coach was better than woody. But woody was great too. But I preferred Rebecca to Diane. I thought Diane was mostly annoying.
Cheers was watching better in the later years and Rebecca was vastly better than Diane. Just my opinion
Season 5 had some good moments as well. Who could forget Thanksgiving Orphans?
You can just see woody smile at that comment from Gus.
I doubt Shelley thought she was bigger than the show. It's been reported widely that she had more movie offers and that's what she wanted to do. She did movies before "Cheers". Many people forget that. Ted Danson said that there was stress between them but always "on a professional level, not a personal level", in his words.
I've read too that Shelley spoke to the writers a lot about her character and that may have caused resentment. There may have been complaints that her costume changes took too long too. I don't know first hand if those things were true but Shelley may have just had a different way of working. Look what she did with Diane Chambers. It worked.
Shelley got a lot of hostility for leaving but the Sam and Diane thing was played out. Her work helped make the show a hit and her exit let it get a new life. Still, I can picture Shelley watching the drive-in scene at home and just seething about it. That dig was a cheap shot after all she had done for the show.
Who cares.Geezzzz
She came back. It’s all good. Diane leaving was good for her character. Rebecca worked out for a few seasons but then the writers quickly didn’t know what to do w her and turned her into a cartoon.
NortonsNestMonthly ohhhh fuuuuuuckkkkk oooooffffff what are you her fuckin dad
Best to leave while you're on top. ;
@@TonyWinston57
You cared enough to write, 'Who cares. Geezzz."
Pat Hingle seemed like he was in an episode of just about every TV series that was on from the 1960s through the 1990s. But most people remember him as the crooked police chief in the Dirty Harry movie Sudden Impact.
well that and I'm also one of those weirdos that remembers him as the judge in Hang 'em high
I always remember him as Commissioner Gordon during those 89-90 something Batman movies.
I always liked him too, he was a busy working acting actor throughout his career. I liked Ben Johnson too, the same way.
I remembered him as the fake general or whatever on MASH.
To me he’s colonel Potters friend in MASH, the immortal coach Eastman in Running Brave, and the mob boss in Grifters.
The audience got the joke at the end.
It's funny how Norm instantly recognizes Gus while Sam who bought the bar from him had to be reminded who he was. But I guess that Norm spent more time in the bar when Gus owned it than Sam.
Don’t forget that Sam was still an alcoholic when he bought the bar. Likely forgot what Gus looked like.
To be fair, Gus likely built Cheers around Norm.
Norm says himself in an episode he’s been at Cheers since the Ford Administration. That would be at least 1974-75. Present day he’s been a regular at Cheers for at least 47 years. He’ll likely die on that stool of his.
@@CNR666 that's how I want to go.
@@derricklafrance9440 On Norms stool?
So this is Gus mentioned in season 1, the guy who has the solution to all your problems.
I thought coach said that he was dead in that episode.
@@railsplitters79 he did
@@railsplitters79 he could have just been wrong or been given false information.
Maybe all the previous owners of cheers were named Gus.
The fact that they chambered this very obvious joke about Woody being "Coach's boy" is a testament to quality writing.
The writers were not kind to Shelley after she left, which is odd considering how great she'd always been in her performances and how much she did to cement the reputation of the show. The fact that in the finale, that weeping mess Rebecca had the nerve to act as if she was better than Diane, and say Sam had been "saved by the bell!" by breaking up with her, was an insult.
sound mind-I Must Concur
Rebecca started with promise but she was a doofus by the end
@@RoseGold823 meh the show had gone on too long so everything was low by the end.
she was a diva, that’s why she was trashed by characters on the show…
Afternoon Everybody.
Norm Peterson Norman.
Norm!
Norrrman.
NORM!!!!
Whats goin on mr p? Ur reply.....? Lets talk about whats goin in mr. P!! BEER!
Also could describe Katherine Heigl.
Lol 2:50 shots fired
"You know who I am?"
Yes, you're Commissioner Gordon!!
Austin Dyer lol true
Nope. He's Col. Daniel Webster Tucker, old friend and fellow prankster buddy of Col. Sherman Potter.
K G give him a shot and a beer!
Sure do miss the drive ins
The crack on Shelley... Priceless.
Bill Malec yup
Shelly Long watching this episode at home.... She says, f*** you, Woody."
She left just in time.
@@derricklafrance9724 no I'd imagine it more dignified like haha in a Diane-type tone.
Wait a minute! Gus was "two owners ago" as Norm said in the second episode. And he died before Coach ever came there. Now he's alive! Glory be!
Maybe there were two owners named Gus
First Gus must have sold it to Gus O'Malley since Sam bought the bar directly from Gus O'Malley.
Mandela Effect.
I never got the diane joke until now
Same here
Maybe she fell in love
In the second episode, Coach has never even heard of Gus then says he's dead.
+Sam Sticka Yes, in the first season, when the racist needs an advice. Maybe Gus is Jesus. ;-)
He wasn't racist. He was prejudiced against gays. His son was gay and was engaged to be married and that's what upset him.
Oh shit. I remember now. Boy did the show runners screw that up. Either that or Gus lied about being dead.
The only thing I can see that to work out, is that Coach sometimes is wrong alot. When he try to look up Gus, he might have gotten the wrong Gus my mistake. We all know how Coach is, he probably grabbed his phone book and picked the first Gus name he saw thinking it's him. How Norm doesn't remember that, I blame the beer.
It was the beer. 🍺
In Season 1 Episode 2 - "Sam's Women", Leo comes in looking for Gus as Gus is the only one who can help him with his brand of advice. Norm mentions that Gus was two owners ago, later in the episode Coach tells Leo that Gus is dead. So obviously the source that Coach called and talked to in regards to Gus was wrong. Or, it could just simply be a writer's continuity error.
Or coach was confused, not much of a stretch there.. probably continuity issue though
I want to say coach was wrong and screwed things up, or a bad joke to set up Coaches counseling skills. Still, I agree a continuity error as well.
What episode is this
wow never saw this nice swipe at "diane"
Commissioner Gordon!
rip coach :(
When u watch episodes after nicolas colasanto passes away look 4 pic of geronimo in background. I believe writers/director said it was nic who brought that pic to the set. And they decided to leave it in honor of him and include it in the background when possible! God bless nicolas colasanto. Doubt anyone could've played coach better! 😉
That norm part
Pat Hingle.
In the first season, didn’t Coach say that Gus died and that he owned the bar “2 owners” before Sam?
yes
Sam bought the bar from commissioner Gordon huh?
Lol was norm born there 😂?
"I don't understand. Why would an actress leave right in the middle of a successful series?"
Could that have been a shot at Shelly Long...just maybe?
Indeed it was. Shelley's ego went HUGE because of her success with "Money Pitt" then "Outrageous Fortune" and decided to quit Cheers to focus on movies instead of T.V. ...but she didn't realize...those two roles were basically Diane just with different co-actors....so her "movie career" basically tanked.
@@bubbaguy4411 I saw just two of her movies. Like you said she just played the exact same character with a new set of co-stars. Never cared for her on Cheers. Wouldn't have seen her movies had it not been for dating the ex wife at the time
@@bubbaguy4411 The money pit wasn't a big success, she'd resigned before OF was released.
That is the joke.
I also recall Shelly Long in a movie with Drew Barrymore, Ryan O'Neill and Sharon Stone that was actually good but overplayed by HBO
Holy crap......... meta af at the end.
Bought the bar 17 years ago.
How old is sam supposed to be?
It never says how old he is, but over the course of the show he pitched between 1973 and 1977 and also bought Cheers in 1977. So figuring he got out of baseball in his early mid 30's due to alcoholism, that puts him late 40's at best in this particular show. A better question would be how old is Norm
@@pointman913 77, 17 years ago, so this episode is from 1994?
@@pachma405 It says 93 on on IMDB but things are off by a year or so based on the 17 year comment. That would mean he bought it in 76. Also says Norm was married to Vera in 72
Age is not the bigger issue, with Sams hair-do you cant even tell his gender.
@@pointman913 I believe he's supposed to be around 38 at the start of the series, then 49 by the end of it
She was from close2my hometown! Best episode...best part....sam "as i see it you have 2 choices" they are on a boat. Who can finish it w/o goin online? Sam stands up and she chooses option 1!
You either jump in or I throw you in.
wait, one of the early episodes Coach mentioned Gus the previous owner was dead - it was a really classic Coach scene
was he just mistaken?
I vaguely remember that...could it have been a different owner than Gus?
It's very likely he was mistaken
Shoot me but I just prefer the Rebecca years. They were what I remember of the show when it was on the air as I was too young to remember Diane.
There's always Netflix to watch the early seasons, again.
I like Shelley Long, and Diane, and the first half of the series, but I think her departure was good for the show. She left at the end of season 5. The show went on for 6 more seasons. I don't think they could have dragged out Sam and Diane's relationship in any form for 6 more seasons. I do think it might have been nice if they had worked it out in the last epi, though.
@guy man Absolutely. Shelley was a great comedic actress and her chemistry with Ted made for some great TV
Shameful to be PROUD of that ...
The title is wrong! Coach died. This was only towards diane
Coach was mentioned when Gus asked if Woody was Coach's son and then told he had died.
Did you even watch the video?
When norm gus for a beer 😂
Cheap shots are not very becoming.
Incredible Hulk. Maybe not, but this is comedy, not cheap shot, a little like a roast!
@@bebo5558 Concur.
Not a cheap shot, it's the truth!!
So why did Cliff have a popcorn bucket mask?
Im pretty sure that was a nod to lilith
No it was for Shelly Long who left the series as a regular half way through.
Lilith never left the show, became a recurring character and the part of the main cast and then back to recurring character. Shelly Long started as a main character and then left the series.
lol that was great! I guess she thought she was bigger then the show.
Right, and she never was.
Shelley Long helped make Cheers a hit. She wasn't the janitor. She was a star.
She was probably alright with it because she did the finale. She also had to deal with all the insults thrown at her by Carla (Rhea Perlman), some not too flattering.
That was a cheap shot and really beneath the showrunners.
Not really. When you're on a successful series, as Woody described it, you don't leave, not even for films that might possibly break even at the box office. She screwed herself, so this little inside joke was appropriate. Kelsey Grammer learned to not make that same mistake. Fun fact: Shelley Long tried to get Grammer kicked off the show. I guess the joke's on her.
Why shouldn't you leave? Shouldn't Clooney have left ER?
+Anna Parker Clooney probably didn't piss off the crew unlike Shelley Long. I've heard that she was insufferable almost like her character. She should have kept the job, whereas Clooney actually had the chops to make it in Hollywood (not that I actually like the guy).
even if she did piss of the crew, so what? To publicly shame her like that was a mean thing to do. And lots of people that have chops don't make it in hollywood. Whether you make it or not is often down to luck. The right movie at the right time.
+Anna Parker Either way, she had it coming. Wherever you work, always respect the "little people" (as Shelley Long viewed them), and this includes castmates in this case as it was speculated that only few of them liked working with her. Otherwise, it might come back to bite you on the ass like the crew did to her.
It's as if the cast and crew were waiters, and Shelley Long was the customer. You know that saying, "Don't fuck with the people who handle your food."
exactly!! guess diane "Shelly Long" thought she was better than she really was