How Australia Impounded the World's Second-Largest Fishing Trawler
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2013
- Super Trawler: Enormous Dutch commercial fishing vessel seized by the Australian government
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When Dutch super-trawler The Margiris was given the go-ahead to catch millions of dollars worth of fish in Australian waters, her owners didn't realise they were sailing straight into a bureaucratic nightmare.
This report charts the extraordinary course of events that culminated in the world's second largest trawler being left stranded and impotent thousands of miles from her native Holland. The Margiris' owners were assured by Australia that they had permission to fish its seas. "Literally what they said was, we will back you up no matter what happens, if you follow the rules. And we said we can accept that of course". But what the ship's owners hadn't counted on was a perfect storm of political protest that brought environmental groups and recreational fishers together in a campaign that even threatened to destabilise the Australian government. In a bold move, the government sided with the people and anchored the super trawler for good. "We've got no idea what the rules are now!" exclaims ship owner, Gerry Geen. So was this democracy in action, or political incompetence?
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What is mind blowing is the fact that the guy says the fish was disappearing so he wanted to move to another area to destroy it instead. Does he not see that this is the exact attitude that caused the problem in the first place.
The FISH COME BACK. IDIOTS JUST GET ANOTHER GIRLFRIEND AND RED FISH ARE FOR DECOATIONS. SOLE AND POLLOCK OR COD OR WHATEVER ITS LIKE A CROP OF WEEDS. TRY HEMLOCK Vs. SPRUCE, FIR OR PINE, CEDAR IS KING TAKES MORE TIME BUT MAPLE AND ALDER ARE LIKE CRAB OR OTHERS THAT TAKE MORE SCALLOPS TIME DUM PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T LISTEN TO OLD TIMERS LIKE SHACKELFORD OR THEIR FIRST MATE'S VERSION. WE DON'T KNOW IT ALL BUT GREENIES THINK THEY ARE GIULTY CAUSE THEIR FOLKS GOT WEALTHY. ASK PAN ABODE, MURRAY PACIFIC OT ST. REGIS. GEORGIA PACIFIC OR WEYERHAEUSER HAMMOND. PAUL ALLEN SEZ: if they continue NOT TO LISTEN AND LEARN:
JUST HOSE 'EM FERA FEW YEARS. K MART WILL RETURN AND HOAGLANDS AMERICAN SEA FOOD CAN TELL YOU.
SOILS AND ROCKS ARE THE SAME IDEA. DON'T BE A PENURIST
Thanks for CARING. But it's okay to learn later from old timers better than WE THOUGHT.
Good work Australia!! As a province in Canada that relies on our fishery to keep our small time fishing families viable and earning a living we must continue to stop these massive vessels from rapping and pillaging our oceans.
Rapping our seas. You mean raping our seas. :0)
The sea is rough, tough, never laugh at it, we must, you nut.( don’t worry I’m cringing myself)
Some 60 yrs ago, as a middle school student in Asia I enjoyed affordable can of California sardine in tomato sauce when we go on a picnic. When I came to California to go to college in 1965 all the sardine fishing boats and canning factories went out of business because of over-fishing, and the small population of sardines that survived can only be found in South America. Greed killed the golden goose !!!
Sink the Bastard and turn it into an Artificial Reef.
demand and supply , if you werent eating it that much maybe there is no reason to produce so much
I’m a bit younger but when I was a kid there was a fisherman crowing “we’ll never catch the last fish on The Grand Banks”, wrong, they’ve caught the last fish on The Grand Banks .
@@aminechei8509 in my opinion demand/supply is the stupidest way to allocate resources. Cooperation will beat competition every single time it will result in a better outcome. Greed plays a huge part in this process too, what about the environmental bottom line that isn’t shown in the accounting system. So in fact they are not paying the full cost, you and I, and every other person is paying for that so they can make money...
@@philipketchell4461 👍👍👍👍
An excellent example of why politicians can never be trusted.
I Agree but the average aussie is as thick as a plank and VERY conservative.
@@robbiddlecombe8392 sure they did...in the same way Roosavelt and Churchill did at the end of the war. And we're still paying for that.
shane john. Especially now that people have forgotten that Winston Churchill, wanted us to be a part of the united Europe, which he envisioned and helped to set up, and we left, just for the benefit of the over privileged tory rich pricks and their cronies, including the unelected ones.....
@@shanejohn7254 , Hummmmm.
IIRC, it was a Labor government back then.
Hint: between end 2007 and mid 2013.
Mate, Wiki is so easy to use.
You should try it some time.
Ciao.
correct, money talks
They should use that thing to go collect trash and debris in the Pacific gyre.
VanIsleOutdoors the pacific gyre is right next to global warming and the unicorn farm.
Then where?
VanIsleOutdoors the one that cant be found or seen from satellites?
that is a good idea
@Royer 714
Yeah because China and the the rest of the world aren't dumping any plastic ointo the ocean right?
Dolphin milk has not become so toxic that it literally kills the calves or anything right?
haha conspiracies right?
People: "You're over-fishing our waters and destroying local economies!"
Company: "But you're all demanding fish at the lowest possible price."
wille1811 ?
You complaint is justified but what is the economy ?????????????
Sorry Robert, It's not what you think, yet is the key to this disaster.
People: 'then stop telling us that you can do it cheaper. You're altering out expectations'.
Robert Mintun how many eggs do each fish lay? Are you sure they are catching ALL the fish? Or are you just repeating what others are saying? We have a huge number of humans that eat fish,
gaogle censors I agree wholeheartedly, they most definitely need much bigger nets and a couple sister ships to help, they are thinking way to small
The Margiris is now fishing off the Irish coast (Kerry) for the Dutch under a Lithuanian flag.
It now catches 6,000 tonnes per trip.
It's a modern day hoover
Disgusting behaviour, that's those sleeveens in the government for you
Get out there like the Aussies did and make a scene and tell em to get f##ked and piss off !!!
burn or bomb it
@@jimbolger264 as an Icelander I don't understand what all the huff is about. These giant trawlers are supposed to catch fish way off shore like 50km to 100km+. These are made to catch fish far off land. These Australians are doing it all wrong. The giant swarms of fish, like hundreds of thousands of fish, are far our at sea and often stay close to the surface.
@@oligultonn Fishing far out to sea, when you're catching THAT amount of fish is still a problem.
"This boat allows us to catch high quality fish for human consumption." Uh, pretty sure most boats are capable of that.
Sure it does but at what cost raping the oceans
@@ernestsutton3455 Thanks, Captain Obvious.
The guy is a jack ass
@@ernestsutton3455 Punctuate much?
What he means is I am a greedy git and I want to decimate Australian fish stocks
When it affects us directly then we'll take a stand. Otherwise, other folks can suffer. Greed, hypocrisy and double standards.....never surprises me anyway.
I seen the dead loss of a small trawler shoveled overboard I can only imagine what is wasted from a trawler of that size.
No, you cannot imagine because you have no evidence just sensationalist comments, of which there apparently is no shortage. I suggest to all of you who find it so appalling to stop eating all freshwater and marine species because you are at the root of the problem.
@@Wildcat5181 You are Wrong i have experience, it is the likes of you that rely on sensational comment.
@@singlehanded12 Stop eating seafood. It's all your fault.
@@Wildcat5181 i don't eat seafood i don't like seafood , and as to who's fault it is why are you trying to defend the in-defensible you are not making any sense at all, you have not realised that you can't just defer the known guilt of a perpetrator, please only respond if you have something that makes sense coz at this point you seem to be taking the side of an organization that is in fact drag netting the ocean with only minor check sand balance, are you perhaps related to this industry some how ???.
@@singlehanded12 I also mentioned other animals, which I am sure you use parts of. The world needs to eat. Some want to stop the consumption of beef, pork, sheep, and anything else they can think of to fill spaces on their pages of nonsense. Indefensible may ass. Tell that to hungry people those ships serve including many of your family members, friends, acquaintances, and peers.
I would like to see a global five-year moratorium an all harvesting of marine life to enable all the stocks to replenish. Make provision for those no fishing years and then go fish and stop complaining about mass harvesting. Ten years of fishing, five years of absolutely no fishing and restoration of fisheries, and then repeat. Big ships are not the problem, too many people claiming rights are the problem. Too many politicians are the problems. Too many nonsensical laws are the problem. People like you, with not enough to do to keep them busy, are the problem. Go wash your car, your house, do some charity work, or read a book. Spend some time with your neighbors and family, and stop trying to rule the world with your opinions. People just want to be free to earn and prosper, not be ruled over.
Well done ✅👍 Australia
And yet, Japan is still running out to international sea and stripping it clean on the pretense of science. What BS!
Ahman Millener and the Chinese, and the Canadians, and the Americans, and the Spanish...Only reason the Ozzies impounded this thing is because it's a competitor to their fishing fleets and their lobbyists.
jwenting Yep, that not even an easy excuse..
Ahman Millener How stupid do they think people are that we would believe that ridiculous bullshit!
Yup. I read a story about them killing a few whales to study them and see if health was the reason for population decline! And they still kill several hundred whales from various species every year. They get away with some crazy shit.
Jason Taylor Yep, our government is so good with preservation of life... lol
After protests against her use by environmental and fishing industry groups, the Australian government passed legislation prohibiting the trawler from fishing in Australian waters for two years. For this reason, Seafish Tasmania subsequently sold its stake in the vessel to Dutch company Parlevliet & Van der Plas. On March 6, 2013, after six months moored in Australian waters, she left Port Lincoln, having reassumed her original name of Margiris.
After leaving Australian waters, the vessel passed through Cook Strait, New Zealand on March 20, 2013. She was now flagged to Lithuania and owned by Atlantic High Sea Fishing Company.
Margiris arrived in Port of Penco, Chile on April 7, 2013. The vessel did not berth and steamed out of the bay to fish.
In late 2016 she was working along the west coast of Ireland.
In July 2017 AFMA came out with a scientifically UNSUPPORTED plan to roll back environmental limits and curtail conservation.
Many marine scientists are dismayed. “They’ve nearly halved the level of protection,” says marine ecologist Jessica Meeuwig, director of the University of Western Australia’s Centre for Marine Futures in Perth. “It’s very demoralizing to the scientists who’ve done so much hard work,” Booth adds. “You would not believe the amount of work that’s been put into establishing these places. Then suddenly it all comes off the table.”
That has always been the way hasn't it. Labour traditionally have a better record on environmental issues than Lnp. Their job when in power has always been to claw and roll back labour policy, that was not of their liking. Frazer, howard, abbott, morrison have all turned roll-back into an art forms. Its a treasonous act of putrid cowardice in my view, when good policy gets decimated by self serving often COMPRIMISED political puppets, and the party machine
Use it as evidence, and a lesson for the future generation of things to happen if we do not address this concern of overfishing.
Yup look what happened to the whales!!!
Why would anyone even build a trawler like that it's obscene size is just going to cause anger wherever it goes!
Because its a factory that freezes the fish right when they are caught, instead of letting them rot while they return to port, wasting a huge percentage of the fish caught. Google. Stupid.
@@StaRMaestroS what did you read that off of packaging label f*** you
StaRMaestroS: You’re quite the twat, aren’t ya
@@sandiabill1 Go bitch to someone else's wood.
@@StaRMaestroS Virtually ANY commercial boat has ice or freezer facilities STUPID. It's about the MASSIVE amounts of fish that are taken by ONE boat.
"Allows high quality fish for human consumption" - just rolls effortlessly off his tongue.
Meanwhile, back at home.... there's 68 small family business are falling apart and they all have to fire all their help. Now that help needs a job and they go to work on that ship and get paid 1/3 what there were getting on the small craft . They will squeeze to death soon.
Have the guy from the fish trawler company swim through the net, then escape.
I'm so happy these countries are proctecting their waters
Super tralers are going to turn the Australia into Somalia
Who do they think their fooling. They thought it would make them a lot of money.
You ozzys are absolute spot on! Your policies and actions you cannot fault! Australia to be the world police please! There’s absolutely no shit from them! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
"It's a short term unsustainable operation"
Human population at 7 billion is a short term unsustainable operation...
So, if people need to die, maybe you should volunteer. Why does it always have to be someone else? You could start a movement. Call it a Soylent Green. Get all of you de-pop fanatics to lead the way!
@@johnshilling2221 we need to minimise our birth rate. China has a 2 child max per couple rule
@@johnshilling2221 Well there's one positive to Corona virus. Obviously nobody wants to die so why not try to reduce your environmental impact? I went vegetarian but I don't expect everyone to follow suit. Start recycling and reusing, minimize spending on material items that use plastics and non biodegradable materials. It may not seem like much but if everyone came together we'd make a big difference and have the chance to show our grandchildren the beautiful planet we live on.
@@johnshilling2221 nobody say the must die, the shouldnt be born in the first place
We more recently had the super trawler the Geelong Star, though not as big as this one. It was asked to leave due to by-catch, with too many dolphins being caught in it's nets. I believe that it was also renamed to try and blend in with local boats.
Thats bullshit
@@peterredding6090 Bullshit hat it happeneded again, or calling bullshir on what I said?
I took an interest in it at the time.
I was a deep sea fisherman for 14 years on many big trawlers. In 14 years we did not catch any dolphins.
@Justin Smith I'm not disputing your account. This one made the papers, with the owners admitting that they had an issue with bycatch, which was never resolved to the satisfaction of the fisheries department.
@@justinsmith4562 Where you even fishing waters where dolphins were? What about seals?
Thank you for the "Skip the intro" link. I thought that deserved a thumbs up.
There's a difference between making a living and over fishing to make millions of dollars, the ocean should not be treated like a business, the fish are not there just to make money, corporations treat sea creatures like they're not even living breathing entities, I'm glad that I live in Australia where the people care about their environment, I hope that never changes.
Folks care about it all over. Its just that most govs are on the side of the corporations - including australias govs.. . The only reason they stopped the trawler is because the environmental and fisheries lobbis and taxs are much greater than the trawler would pay to the govs - That is the only reason that the trawler has been stopped - its busniss - pure and simple - they dont actually care about the earth one bit.
All civy lies nations are part of the devil/ rebellion led by lucifer - they are out to and dead set on destroying mankind, the earth, and everything within it - and theyve suceeded too - it just aint quite dead yet, but the earth is in its death throws, and is destroyed beyond it has ability to repair itself.. "Unless these days are cut short no flesh/ type of earth life will survive, but these days will (soon) be cut short. ", and our creators are gonna recreate the earth after removing the the ones responsiblefor destroying it.. Namely the devil/ rebellion led by lucifer through the el-ites and their civy lies nations and religions.
The shoud use that ship to clean up ocean
Just what we need. Another do nothing person telling others what they need to do. How about leading by example? Oh! That's right! You're only interested in "saving the planet" by proxy, never through your own work.....
An what exactly 2 years ago goin on in ur tiny brain did you think this ship could clean up the ocean 😂 not even the right type of boat to do that ✋😂😂😂
Boi should
HOW?? THEYD CATCH.FISH ANYWAY
you all here are blaming the trawlers owners, but ur missing the point, they were given permission from all regulated authorities so they are the ones to blame, not the trawlers owners.
fuck the ship builders
there is a lot of misunderstanding here. The first thing to understand is that Australia's fisheries are the best managed fisheries in the world with every fishery (at the time of this event) either sustainable or being very close to being sustainable, and by-catch survival rates the best in the world and constantly being improved.
what was in place was a maximum quota of fish to be taken, shared over many boats, the "super trawler" had to purchase quota from other boats to catch fish, that means no more fish were allowed to be caught, just that one boat was going to be doing most of the catching. Quota is allocated in units, each year the fisheries authority attaches a weight to each unit of quota. this allows adjustment of allowable tonnage caught when environmental conditions are unfavourable for fish breading.
I get the point I'm not stupid but I don't care. What these horrible killing machines are doing to our planet is terrifying.If we have to trick them into stopping so be it....screw them murderers.
@@driver1823 what if they are not horrible killing machines and what if they are not destroying the environment?
They shouldn't own a fish sweeper like that... turn them into long fishing tours like a cruise for people with balls... have dudes with rods on that deck big fish smoker too... I bet plenty of fishermen would like it. Maybe drag a tighter net to scoop plastic trolling the gyre...
There was Japanese super trawler off the coast of SCOTLAND recently fishing our tuna , tuna we're not even aloud to fish for yet it's aloud to Plod on draining the ocean !!
As a complete outsider looking in and having no dog in this fight, I can understand both sides. He definitely should have been notified that they were drawing up legislation against him. It was pretty underhanded behavior. However, the protection of the environment is important. There should be legislation to stop this kind of fishing....PERIOD!!
I believe its probably part of the company job to look into legislation rather then the governments job to go out and tell everyone that they may or may not know of.
I like the fish left in the water!
Thanks the gods that at least one of these monsters is out of commission. We can only hope that they've established a precedent. You just can't take more fish off of the planet than the planet can produce!
This level of greed will destroy fish for everyone. Doesn't mankind ever learn?
No country needs a ship that big. Money is still root of all evil in the world.
L Warner. The whole quote(and the first bit is the most important), is that, “the love of money, is the root of all evil”. And that’s a whole different animal, to the one that you said.....
agree
Yes and these greedy bas.....ds expect , demand to be able to continue doing the same with British waters post Brexit! They have decimated fish stocks .
Patricia Butler. Brexshit hasn’t changed much, because the big Dutch companies, have a legal right to fish(because they own most of the licenses to the quotas, and so it would be illegal to stop them, without stopping all of the fishing), anywhere in British waters(and we were able to fish in the EU waters too, until that was taken from us), that they want to... Just as long, as the boat is not breaking the size regulations, regarding the distance from the shoreline etc.....
And as for the decimation of our fish stocks, I know for a fact(as a lifelong share fisherman) that the British, are just as responsible, for that as anyone else, if not more so...
That is especially true, in the case of the winter mackerel, which was the main winter catch in Cornwall( we used to use hook and lines, without damaging the stocks), that was, until the Scotch trawlers came down in the early seventies, after the trawlers wiped out their own stock. And so they came here and wiped our stocks out(which is why the scotch nationalists, who know nothing, that bang on about not letting southern boats up there, piss me off, because they’ve been down here for fifty years)...
And, as a commercial fisherman for my whole working life, I have watched the trawlers, and biggest types of other boats, wipe out the different species one by one...
Starting with the pilchards; mackerel; cod; spur-dogs(rock salmon); hake and all of the others that have been decimated...
So please, don’t take this the wrong way, but until you actually know, what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up, especially with your xenophobic bullshit, you NUMPTY........
@@norrinradd3549 well I was taking the gospel according to Norton Radd well till your last paragraph, when you shot yourself down with insulting language. You can know nothing of my back ground sir any more than I know yours. Thanks .
It is like a third world decision making. Poor Garry and his partners. I know how bitter the third world decision making is. Till the end of the video I still dont get the answer as to why the government allowed the super trawler to come to Australia in the first place, only to let her sit, rusting there at the port. Could it be that it was all staged in such way by the Australian Government to make the world think of Australia as a champion in advocating environmental protection. As the narrator puts it, " the government decision was right and it was seen as a victory in sustainable fishing, not just in Australia but around the globe"
So what if they set it up??? they got a TERRIBLE trawler off the waters and thankfully it will sit there and rot and not be used to rape the oceans ever again. Whats your problem?? Australia is actually trying to HELP the world by taking that boat off the seas.
Shows you that politicians can never be trusted. Firdt they give permisdion, then they chain them in a 180 degree turnaround. All because of publin opinion pressure.
@@freshnorthwest6756 because thzt would men a government body lying znd deceiving. How can anybody in their right mind support thst?
I guess feelings overrule logic again.
All I see here is that the Australian governments credibility is shot. They could have just said no, or at least allow the ship to turn back. They basically stole this ship, under the pretense of being a honest.
Sounds like they said no but this guy kept lobbying them for years until they finally relented.
So the guy who did lobby for it, made concessions and adaptations were it was requested, made plans for supporting local fisheries, and only went ahead with the plan once they had confirmation by the regulatory body is somehow at fault for the government pulling a 180?
I'm no fan of super trawlers, but in this case I have to say that it was the company who was wrongfully duped. Am I glad that it isn't fishing? Yes. But it would be more then fair of that company to sue the government for losses that could have been avoided if they made clear what was going to be requested. The government didn't do that. They just waited as long as possible and at the last minute, to save face, decided impounding it was somehow the right answer.
Joseph Kelly isnt that what all gov does
The boat wasnt stolen or impounded or anything. It was free to leave at any point. It had just been screwed around so much it had no work lined up.
But what else would you expect from a nation of descendants of convicts.
The current position of MARGIRIS is at North Sea (coordinates 52.45869 N / 4.58077 E) reported 87 days ago by AIS. The vessel MARGIRIS (IMO: 8301187, MMSI 277330000) is a Fishing Vessel built in 1997 (23 years old) and currently sailing under the flag of Lithuania.
I hope they bleed the pockets of every investor on that boat and asked the question how does it feel to be caught in the net
On a more measured note - I am an Australian who has lived in Europe for 25 years and as such I am acutely aware of the problems with overfishing and the devastation of the seafloor by huge nets that scrape up everything with impunity. It's ludicrous to have such large vessels destroying habitats and fisheries. Australia should protect it's fishing boundaries with fish being caught only for the local market - Australia. A controversial view I know but certainly sustainable. But what horrifies me even more than this - is what politicians will do to protect their jobs. The duplicity, deceit and the lies these politicians told to protect themselves is a disgrace. All this documentary shows is that politicians revert to type the minute they feel threatened - ready to blame everyone else. I am very anti the super trawlers but as one of the owners said "if they had told us they didn't want us we wouldn't have come". In fact one official says they will be backed by the Australia fisheries department. I really believe that the political classes in the democratic west are in the last chance saloon. Nobody trusts them, they lie, they cheat just to protect themselves. They didn't act in this case until a strong coalition against the super trawler could have threatened their jobs because of a political backlash. Maybe I'm being naive (many would say this has always been the case) but I get more and more despondent with the weak, opportunist, career politicians who govern us. And I don't believe I alone in this.
When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money....First Nations saying
Scrap it then start on the largest trawler , this vessel is for pure. Greed
Isnt it more greedy to have two smaller trawlers then one massive slow one?
Politician " I´ve never fished a day in my life but I will work toward rules that allow vast sea areas to be stripped of all fish to make a few big business trawler owners ever richer".
Fisherman " No one listens to me
Out you can
They basically banned it because it is Big. No other reason. if you have 10 medium sized trawlers nothing is mentioned, have one called a super trawler and Guy Sebastian knocking it, suddenly the fisheries are in danger and every idealistic young youth with a phone, facebook and twitter account are suddenly experts on fishing quotas and trawlers. Burke should have known his business, completely dropped the ball on this and then makes up reactionary policy on the run.
Aaron James those 10 ships have more voters on board combined than that 1 big ship... So simple...
Do politician s know anything
whats the difference in 10 boats catching 36000 tons of fish and 1 boat catching 36000 of fish? i just dont understand these greenpeace
There won't be 1 trawler, there will be 2 or 4 till there are no more fish. You can't stop human gread. They impose limits but do you believe they follow them?
@@timothyterrell1658 They do follow them, because they would go bankrupt if not. Its about money not emotion. Stupid fucking gullible idiot. It doesn't make a difference how many ships there are, they all have quotas. If one big ship comes just means it gets/buys all the quota available. So it doesn't matter one bit for the ocean, it does for the fisherman.
Over fishing kills off the stock, cannot the owner see that point of view? Or is money talking to him?
Holland sent that ship there, because they have already killed all of their own fish by using SUPER TANKERS like this, massively over fishing.
No it was leased by a company to catch redbait and mackrel so if you are going to comment get your facts correct
give them a fishing rod only
haha love it, good shot
yes people starving to death is a far better idea then managing a sustainable fishery. adding this boat to the Australian fishing fleet did not change the total amount of fish able to be caught by the fleet.
Lol
@@hamish2202 are you suggesting people should stop eating fish? Fish makes up between 20% and 50% of people's protein intake. The fishing industry employs more people than the total population of Australia. So if there fishery is sustainable can you give one reason to stop it?
@@outboard2006 no but i don't think the fishing at todays rate is sustainable
What Greenpeace is doing here is blaming this company, and other Dutch fishing vessels for something they are not responsible for. They don't have any prove that they are infringe rules. Greenpeace is trying with photographs of dolphins and seels in a net to respond on people's emotions. That's exactly the reason why people hate this ships, because Greenpeace is showing some dead dolphins in a net. THIS NOT HAPPEN AL THE TIME! people who think this is only on a large fishingvessel are ignorant!
Well done Greenpeace, you preserved the livelihood of the small poor fishermen
As a UK resident having our waters plundered by EU Dutch super trawlers, seeing seals drowning and untimately huge profits for the trawler owners I am glad that the Australian government impounded this ship. They went about it in the wrong way, that is true, but unless we as people stop fishing on such a massive scale there will be no fish left for anyone. Its all about making millions quickly, not supplying people with cheap fish, That is the con.." we catch more fish so we can sell it cheaper"... What he should have said was.. we catch more fish so we can make more money faster, and we don't care if we take all the fish, so what, wer'e rich.
This is exactly why we fought off your trawlers from our seas here in Iceland.
@@oligultonn So now you have them plundered by every EU member state and thats ok ?
I dont like the super trawler... but telling a company to go to Australia and then stealing their boat is strait up piracy
no a nation has a right to do so
it cannot be seized without LEGAL reason; it is not piracy, and your statement is dumbfounding. This is Australia, we have VERY strict laws to protect the ocean. The PIRACY is being performed by the "super trawler" which is literally raping the ocean.
They aren’t going to sink the ship they can’t and that’s not what they said also the ship hasn’t done any fishing or Broken any laws as of yet it is in harbor awaiting their biological study and a vote they aren’t holding it hostage it’s just sitting there
@@DaveWhoa then why did your government tell it to come there...seems like someone made some money here
@@gawdsuniverse3282 you have a navy lol
They always blame the customer saying we demand cheaper fish on
Never In my life demanded cheap fish! What you really want is the biggest slice of the pie by reducing your price
agree
True they charge the same rate as always & reduce their operational cost.
By the time we get to the fish its going to be the same price anyway but you shouldn't eat to much fish from the ocean because you will probably suffer from mercury poison from all the pollution.
yavin99 we could just farm them on land.
Wait, if reducing their price means they get more customers (bigger slice of the pie), doesn't that mean most customers wanted (demanded) cheaper fish?
Perfect example of corporate BIG BUSINESS, TAKE ALL YOU CAN BEFORE ANYONE ELSE, mega greed.
One might wonder how much politicians gained from allowing such a trawler to operate
I worked on a similar trawler in the Bering Sea(Alaska). What's missing in this is actual numbers(%) of "bycatch" that would be destroyed and what is a tolerable number(if any).
I have worked up there and we have RESPECT for our lands and waters, its why our fisheries will last longer than others but when you have large trawlers out in the open ocean raping the waters it screws stuff up for EVERYONE.
@@freshnorthwest6756 Australin fisheries are the best managed in the world, by-catch restrictions and reduction in Australia has always been far ahead of the rest of the world, as fishermen yourselves you know that large animals in the nets normally means damaged product making it worthless and is to be avoided, Australian fisheries management includes sharing of information to ensure that not only is legislation easy to follow and implement, but also best practices are available to all.
@@outboard2006 I respect the law Australia manages their waters and lands, they seem to truly value it and i can ALWAYS give props for that. Continue the good fight sir!!
Taxes at work keeping super trawlers docked & maintained.
Xenon the stalker
I would have sunk those ships instead of impounding them
just like the argentina navy did with the chines trawler
Scrap them, better for the environment, and you get some useful steel out of it.
Those ships would do as much damage below the water as above
This is a beautiful thing to watch,stop the people who try to destroy our seas...
But it's simple!! Don't buy fish!! Go and catch your own!! Only take what you need!! Now that's sustainable and resourceful! This super tanker is just plain GREEDY!!
Trawler. It's not a tanker.
Good point! Lol... so used to saying super tanker cos there's so god damn many of them! Shame there's 2 super trawlers in existence though :(
I live in kansas. I cant just go catch fish whenever i want
First of all these boats should not exist. However, if the owners have carefully asked and gotten permission to come and then afterwards the rules are changed, however rightfully that change is, the owners of that boat should be compensated financialy. I would personally go as far as to say australia has to confiscate the boat for demolition but also have to pay the owners because they were at fault for letting them come regardless of all the warnings
It was a no brainer from the outset, You have to know the game to play by Aussie rules and Mr Green was naive enough to believe a politician! No the super trawler should not be allowed to exist. Yes the Aussie Government owes the owners $AUD 350 million. I hope they take it to the International Court. Watch how quickly the Oz government pays up.
Those africans have ZERO recourse if they don't catch fish for any reason and no one bails them out. Why should some rich asshole get bailed out when his business for any reason doesn't work out? The tax payers have to pay that 350 million because he made a poor decision. Why should the tax payers be obligated to bail these people out? There is risk in business if you don't like the risk do something else or be a better business person.
I recall when authorities found a Japanese floating "Gill Net" an dragged it in...2 DAYS and 12 MILES of net....Cant even imagine what kind of nightmare nets this monster has laid. . God help us...we can do better than this.. people.
This trawler isn't laying nets, its towing a large net and targeting swarms of fish. Net fishing often has more bycatch then trawlers have. Pelagic trawling when done right is actually an environmental choice. I am not sure how it compares to the supertrawler, but smaller trawlers often have even less bycatch then other methods of fishing because they go precisely for a swarm (at least in regulated trawling). There is no damage to the seabed like in bottom trawling.
It isn't the ship that is the problem, it is the regulation. Quotas need to be set accordingly and areas need to be thoroughly regulated.
We are strip mining the oceans.
Just give $10 a month to sea shepherd, they are stopping the barstewards fishing in prohibited zones
We are stripping the planet.More people,more need.
its not about time span, its about catch limits
the super trawler is taking the same volume of fish out of the water
its just concentrated to a single vessel
if super trawler dosnt fish, regular trawlers will be given their allocation of catch limit anyway
no matter what happens, that same number of fish are gunna get caught one way or another
watching those seals run out of air really hurt. What kind of person can look at that and be "satisfied with the results."
did you miss the fact that that was an early prototype and was later improved to a design that was satisfactory? the real disapointment is you can not sell seal meat so he died for nothing
@@outboard2006 Everyone seems to be missing that fact. even though they clearly said they obtained footage from the test phases. gullible idiots all around.
Stupidity is the most powerful force in the universe!
blow these super trawlers out the water . would be a wonderful exercise for the navy.
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Fuck yeah
I don't get what exactly the problem is, the super trawler just catches the fish it doesn't set the quota.
the size of the quota has more to do with the environmental damage than the size of a ship.
seems to me this has more to do with feelings than facts which is a hell of a way to run a country.
It did. In the end this case went to international arbitration, and Australia lost. They paid the company millions in compensation for the illegal seizure.
sure have but what does that have to do with anything?
all trawlers have bycatch, do you have a reason to think the size of the bycatch is anything other than linearly proportional to the size of the trawler or you just feel super trawlers are bad?
perhaps your against all trawlers?
did you miss he footage of "the experiment" where seals DROWNED?
ship sizes and quotas need to be greatly reduced,,, i myself love eating fish and catching them, lets make sure we can keep doing it
based on what? Australian fisheries are all sustainable due to the quota system limiting the total catch in each fishery, adjustable annually. rducing ship sizes endangers the lives of people catching the fish, in Australia we can keep doing it but your sugestion is that everyone that enjoys eating fish should live with the guilt of killing people to do it.
outboard2006 what a stupid comment that is ,,it doesnt suggest endangering the lives of anyone
you have far too much confidence in the people making these decisions
these ships are about nothing but tearing the guts out of the ocean and making a company rich
@@Jason-rs6co your comments are based on nothing, if they had of been based on facts you would have provided them, but you didn't because you cant. the facts are that all Australian fisheries are sustainable and are the best managed fisheries in the world. the facts are also that every year in Australia 1 in every 1000 people that goes to sea fishing in a boat 25 metres or smaller will die. there is nothing stupid about my comment except your lack of acceptance of it. reducing the number of boats and increasing their size makes for a safer environment for the people involved, but you enjoy your fish knowing that people died to put your meal on your plate and that you think more should die for that meal
outboard2006 your a dickhead completely missing the point ,,you obviously have a vested interest ,,no commercial fisherman goes to sea for the purpose of anything but make a living for them selves they are not heros saving the community so please dont insult me with that ridiculous notion
@@outboard2006 you keep saying that they are sustainable that is completely incorrect. What does sustainable mean to you? There is not an unlimited amount of fish. What you are saying is incorrect and ignorant.
Greed and lack of caring for the local areas future is the standard of the big business fishing world. An area once visited by a big trawler is often fishless for two years or more.
It happens all over the world ie, France overfished their own fishing area in the Med until the area is completely barren and now are working hard at overfishing the British fishing area - then when the last fish has gone they will go and overfish on someone else´s fishing ground.
Greed has no language barrier.
Having watched a great fishery diminishing because of gill netting in California and the draconian measures and regulations to finally stop the utter depletion of the fishery, I can attest to how much profit only commercial fishing can cause a great fishery to crash. Back in the late 70's and 80's the sport fishermen of CA tried to get rid of gill netting. They were not supposed to wrap their nets around kelp beds or catch certain sport fish like the Kelp Bass (calico) which pretty much lived in the Kelp beds. They were allowed to keep the restricted species as "incidental" catch including the endangered black sea bass which can grow to 500 lbs.
They ignored the regulations about wrapping kelp beds and they also devised a way to gill net at very deep depths, like 600 ft (100 fathoms) plus. So the deep water rock fish were severely depleted. My dad, if he saw a gill net around a kelp bed would drop his anchor into the net and drag it off and get the fish that were dead out, a gill net kills fish, it doesn't just contain them so you can throw back the "incidental" fish. Now in CA there are very tough fishing regulations and a ban on gill nets, but the commercial fish lobby prevailed for too long. You are not allowed to fish below 360 feet because they depleted the rock fish stocks. Rock fish and Calico-Sand-Spotted bay bass are all very slow growing. It takes 5 years for a Calico bass to grow to 12 inches and the same for rock fish or rock cod as they are commonly called in CA. There are now certain species of fish in CA that never had a seasonal restriction, there is now on many many species.
To over-fish a sustainable resource to near depletion is asinine and short-sighted. Mankind has shown itself more than capable of that. Go up to the Northeastern states and look at the cod fishery, almost wiped out. Thank God Canada didn't allow it in their waters so the cod are slowly coming back. Only Maine has a good lobster fishery as well because the lobstermen decided a long time ago to keep it sustainable.
Fish which are good for you to eat are getting more and more expensive because of over-fishing. Thankfully here in the USA they have implemented intelligent reform in most cases, though not all.
not the same fishery, not the same method, not the same regulatory method,. You are trying to compare one of the worst managed fisheries in the world with one of the best and calling them equal.
I’m against super trawlers and over fishing but I hope this company can find a way to sue the Aussie Government for all the money they lost. They invited them and then shafted them.
The guy who owned the trawler was arrested for trafficking millions in Cocaine. So you can guess his ultimate motivations in life, and why the Aussie government was probably not keen on any compensation...
Not the point
Completely unrelated comment
@Miss Anthropy, im lost for words.. Take a few days off in the woods and come back clean.
Fuck em. Idiots made a bad business decision, decided to be dicks in someone else's bailiwick and weep when their shlongs get cut off for their trawler. Inviting the bastards in at least takes them out of circulation. Piss poor business people / investors need to be bankrupt so they don't poison the whole economy with their idiocy.
Why would a Dutch Vessel come all this way, if they had not destroyed their own fishing!
@juscurious Japanese...Chinese...Spanish...Portuguese...Turkey...Dutch in that order.
I love how people are commenting on fish stocks and thinking that is the reason this ship was halted. watch the video the fish stocks were purchased by the owners of the boat from previous fishermen. It was halted due to the bycatch or accidental fish related deaths and the politicians were spineless people who should have stopped the project at the start. People invested tens of millions into the operation. They should have ben just told no.
You have to ask yourself a simple question : Even if a fool proof by-catch net is designed, what's left for the "saved" species to eat ?
Everyone has to make a livelihood. These super trawlers deprive fishermen in poor countries of their livelihood. This also results in the Piracy on the high seas, which is a direct result of these super trawlers. The super trawlers have "state of the art" technology for fishing as compared to the primitive technology which poor fishermen of different developing countries possess.
So sick and tired of greed, no matter the cost to local communities and to our environment.💔
there should be a maximum size to the boats being built for fishing,that will regulate the tonnage caught and the time spent at sea,plus a maximum on the fleets of fishing boats built for offshore fishing
its ridiculous to think that a super trawler is safe for the environment
why?
The lawmakers who flip flopped and lead everyone on are the ones to blame in this situation. The boat owner did everything in his power to follow the law and make his boat as environmentally friendly as possible. The fishing is done by quota so what is the problem with having the quota caught by a large ship instead of smaller boat. The politicians never should have let the ship come to Australia in the first place if they were just going to change their stance at the first sign of negative public opinion. What a bunch of scumbags making the owners waste all that money. The politicians will do anything to stay in power.
if it did everything right why didn't they show the videos of the bi catch that it had , it was "leaked" they hide what they dont want you to see.. dont you agree ? This ship is a walking t rex raping the ocean , sink it and do us all a favor. You allow it to do its bidding another will be built.
It's a good idea to set up reserves and places that can't be fished to preserve and prevent overfishing.
Thanks !
Limited by quota. 1 big boat, or several small boats. The quota is the rule. So what is the beef? Fine them heavily if they break the quota.
@ Joseph Burke
I don't think it's the quota and number of boats as opposed to the local commercial fisherman not having the catches they seem to want or need as it does as putting them out of work.. Like here in the US the number of licensed are governed along with quota having said that I think the bigger problem is the recreational fishermen which I am one... (recreational fishermen b**** about everything) Except for polluting the water with their plastic bottles beer cans and all that b******* ...
But I have been a commercial fisherman in my younger years and I support commercial fishing and USA Seafood only..
I will not eat Cesspool farm raised shrimp from Vietnam or Indonesia or wherever also I do not support these super trawlers if they're over 120' they should be made into artificial reefs..
I think it is raping the ocean from the local commercial fishermen's businesses and depriving our citizens of fresh local caught Seafood around our Coast...
Just my thoughts..
Have a great day Sir..
Who sets the Quotas Mr Burke and when they were set do you honestly think it took into account that one supertrawler would purchase all the small quotas.
You and your mate Jerry have a greedy day.
Fishing boat in this size, is a crime !, we have soon empty the sea for all life
Glad to know this precious video, anyone here can tell me what is the largest fisheries companies in Australia?
When asked, “why would you want this boat here”? He answers....”To catch QUALITY fish, fit for HUMAN consumption”. Like WTF..!!!?? First of all.. it catches EVERYTHING.. dead or alive..! And fit for human consumption...? I didn’t know there was another option ? Us humans are devastating the oceans every day.. hmm.. sewage, oil platforms that burst, and now Fukushima and massive over fishing. It’s a wonder there’s anything in there. Truly sad.
yeah you could tell that reply was something he has said a lot of times...he said it with almost a smile on his face he tried to sneak the ship into Australia using loop holes then complains when we say no fuck you we are calling you out
I think the people that approved the licence to this trawler should be investigated and if found that they had did the owners a favour and cant explain why then they should be sacked and imprisoned for a few years which will show public servants that they work for the people and not them selves
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only if you don't understand the fishery
So, the Aussies baited the trawler and then caught it :)
Yeah they sure did and they should be held accountable for their actions. They should pay the company for their losses too!
they straight up stole that boat. the owners should be compensated.
Now on a Lithuanian flag , still Dutch owned fishing in Uk & Irish waters for free
Greed the root of all evil
Try not to misquote. "The love of money is the root of many evils."
@@johnshilling2221 Well said John S
This is one of the most irrational reactions I've seen a government take (and I live in the US). Whether you have 10 smaller boats or one big boat, the total bycatch is the same. Furthermore, having one larger boat means it's easier to institute a new lower bycatch design and easier to regulate and monitor one big boat rather than a bunch of smaller ones. As long as you have a set quota for the total catch, it doesn't really matter if it's one boat or a thousand.
This is the worlds largest problem with every industry not just fishing
Horrible !
How dare they try this in Australia.
So my question is - where is that super trawler today in 2019?
Currently off the west coast of Africa... Doing its part to starve Africans today and empty the oceans of tomorrow of fish! 😦
" i am your captain now "
It isn't just the fish they take and keep it is the by-catch. Fish that have no commercial are routinely caught, killed in the process and tossed over the side. These numbers are out of date, but 40 to 60% is by-catch.
"Politician"...by now the worse insult worldwide
Why are people so surprised when politicians reverse themselves? Its the age old game of cover your own ass and the hell with everyone else
We come from a land down under!
I'm a fisherman and I'm not going to lie . Trawling and and dragging do destroy alot of shit in the oceans.
It’s no mystery why it was allowed, GREED!