Finding it weird you say people grow out of being furry, but I've known plenty who are now in their 40s and 50s and are still furries, still commissioning from artists or still furry artists themselves and some older than that who are still out there that have just fallen into obscurity, but they never fell out of the fandom.
At fan conventions (Science fiction and Comic mainly), in the evening the official programming would end, and people would host room parties in the hotels around the venue (when they were allowed, or could get away with it). Many of these were just open parties with snacks and alcohol (once again not always allowed), but some had themes, like films or TV shows, authors or artists. When faced with a boring evening at Westercon (regional science fiction convention ran by various SF clubs in the Western US) 1985, our friends loaned us their room for a party. We called it the Prancing Skiltaire party (named after our house, which is an homage to Tolkien's Prancing Pony pub). We have video tapes of Animalympics and old Warner Bros. theatrical short cartoons, which we showed, and collections of antropomorphic art and books to share. People started to show up and saw the art, and some said "wow, I though I was the only one that drew this stuff!" People would watch, look at art, draw, chat and snack. (our parties didn't have alcohol, due to the possibility of underage guests trying to sneak some). There was a time when various foxes would show off their juggling skills, and try to teach others. People with full-body costumes would use our space as a changing or repair area. After that, we hosted similar parties at Western conventions and Worldcons (the World SF convention, which moves around). The party became a "Furry party" the following year at Westercon in San Diego. Eventually there were other furry parties hosted by other people, but this is pretty much what ours were always like for around 30 years.
@@sysable I was going to mention the furry parties during Comic Con in San Diego a while back, and I just realized you guys were the ones that held the parties after reading your post xD
After Vootie (which was an APA, and so only available to it's limited membership), it was the room parties at other fan conventions (Science Fiction and Comic) that got the very first "xine" (available by subscription to anyone) started: Karl Mauer's "Furversion".
I attended all of the furry parties you showed the flyers for, plus Confurence Zero and most of the others. I joined the fandom thru science fiction cons in the 80s, met others, and was part of Rowrbrazzle. When I ended up in Arizona, I helped run Zoniecon as a range master, rocket master and event host. I was in my teens when I met many of my friends in the fandom. I am 50 now, and still do TFF every year and I still have lifelong friends in the fandom. Thanks for the balanced video, oh, and the Bambioid, that was Bob Hill. Suiting long before Shawn Keller.
The Furry Fandom has come along way from our origins in the late 70's and Early 80's. It really intrests me as to how we became what we are today and compare it to the fandom 20 or so years ago.
I looked into the fandom's early years myself and you did a fantastic job. Incredibly fair and detailed. I love you got Joe Strike's book Furry Nation on display
12:43 I completely agree because my therapist and I work together to make my furry characters/fursonas help me. For example, Scam helps me push away bullies and negative thoughts and Star helps me be happy!
I'm a fur in my late 20s who discovered the fandom in the late 90s thanks to the role playing and the internet. It's crazy how much things have changed! Back then most fursona art was clearly based on media. I remember wanting a bear persona but shying away from it because all the other bears looked like Banjo from BanjoKazooie! For a long time I didn't even know the word "Furry" because it seemed like the term was shyed away from. The thing that I've always loved best though about our community are the older furs though! Grey Muzzles today still keep the community together even with the influx of younger members. I don't think that older furs are leaving, I think they're just taking a deserved rest.
I find it funny when I see comments that say "the furry fandom is dead" or it's dying. While it may be true that it's different from what it was before, it just morphed into something that people don't recognize as the fandom as they remember it. When a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly, we don't say the caterpillar is dead...it's just changed into something else! But the fandom is far from dead. If it was dead, I wouldn't be meeting new furs, seeing new artwork or watching the amount of attendees at furry cons rise! XD
The people who say that Furry is "dead or dying" are from the very same group that used the fandom for their own celebrity egos. The same people who attempted (sometimes successfully) to sabotage conventions for the very beginning (this is nothing new). The same people who surrounded the comic artists who were the pioneers in the fandom, and tried to keep anyone new out (like online RP fans and beginning artists), and created the term "lifestyler" for anyone who dared to imagine themselves as a furry. The media did portray the fandom in the worst light (don't they always do that?), but it was these idiots that really hurt the community. And some are still getting away with it...
I feel like the people who say the fandom's dead is saying it because they themselves aren't as involved in it? For the longest time, I thought the undertale fandom was dead until I stumbled upon the amino again and saw it's still going strong
I think one thing you might have mentioned when talking about being "counter-culture" is that time back in 2015 or 2016 where Syrain refugees coming to North America shared a hotel with a Canadian fur con. Considering the political climate at the time, it would have shown an example of the positive and accepting qualities that the fandom has. Otherwise, great video!
Congratulations on being in the recommended feed for a non-furry user's account; really does go to show how furries are becoming more and more mainstream. I approve, and am now a subscriber. 👍
Thanks for this info, I been working on a book on fan conventions for about 5 years now and been doing a lot of research for the chapter on furry cons and fandom, and it seems like your video is confirming and even going into more detail some of the stuff I have in my rough draft.
The first fursuit parade was organized by Yappy Fox at Anthrocon in 1997 so the dealers and artists who were working in the dealers den during the day could see all the fursuiters at the convention. It was a simple idea, but it grew to become one of the biggest events at most furcons. Great video (except for the fake VHS effects!) Keep up the awesome work.
God I can't believe how far this fandom has come, so many roller-coaster years and nothing but more wonder and delight to look forward to.... despite the impossible-to-get hotel roommsssss!!!!! RAGE!!!!!! Also, shout-out to a dear sloth friend of mine who's seen dancing at 13:00 :DDDD
You know what I can't believe? The fact that people thought that that early art they showed was the best of the best. It just shows there might just be hope for me yet.
This is most likely the best short video I've seen on the Subject yet. I recognized quite a few of the artists and personalities seen in the video clips and recall a lot of the events mentioned along the timeline. Job well done.
TYPO/CORRECTIONS: 1:01 "timless" is supposed to read "Timeless", Tim's are absolutely invited to be furries. 1:55 The Cartoon/Fantasy Organization helped connect subscribers and Amateur Press Associations for distributing these fanzines en.wikifur.com/wiki/Cartoon/Fantasy_Organization 2:22 Vootie didn't publish the first issue of Omaha, it published the first appearance of Omaha in one of the contributions. First actual published issue was later. 2:28 Omaha the cat dancer didn't cause the raids. It was one of many titles picked up in the raids. 7:40 The "Burned Furs" were not the first puritanical movement to attempt to "clean up" the fandom. 8:56 The fursuit parade was also intended to show the Dealers Den sellers the costumed guests, since they couldn't leave their tables. 10:29 Lots of Furry comics were published in the 80's and 90's, but shifted online with fandom preferences. Today we see a resurgence of fandom print publishing. Thanks to our fact-checkers Summerotter, Chip Fox and Dronon for these addendum's.
I remember an DJ at a local radio saying on the air I'm not an Furry or an Brony but I understand why it helps popole with things like PTSD learn to be human again.
Very good video. I'm reading Furry Nation right now. I don't think you mention Rod O'Riley or the first fursuiter Robert Hill much, as I feel he was an important part of the growth of the fandom in the late 80's with ConFurence. Still, what a portfolio you put together!! Quite impressed. I've been in the fandom a short time (less than 5 years) and I'm a Greymuzzle. Thanks - JG Bear
Thank you for a great overview of the fandom. It’s sad how little we learn of our own history and videos like this show where we came from and where we are now. Thank you.
Bucktown Tiger is actually hilarious. Even on national TV, on Jeopardy, he can't help but make his little 'paws' in excitement as he absolutely dominates the show! Even if it does make me a little anxious, thinking he might be ostracized for it, I love seeing that bit of open "Furriness". It would have been lovely for this to have been longer to cover such characters, including the author of the book in the background, Joe Strike! I read his book recently and it was quite insightful, and certainly made me even more tied to the fandom's very long history in the making. Thanks for making this video, I enjoyed it!
Yo, the TMNT RPG came out before the IP got popular. Also the first Albedo RPG book also predates both Ironclaw and World Tree. The Albedo book came out in 1988 and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Other Strangeness in 1985. World Tree came out in 2000 and Ironclaw in 1999. @Bengaley on Twitter, the Furry Librarian, could probably tell you about others.
Seems odd to jump from 1989 to the 2000's and the internet culture. A trainload of stuff happened in those formative years after ConFurEnce Zero. It really was the heyday of the furry fanzine time; Orowrbrazzle was getting staggeringly huge, Albedo was taking off like a rocket, Stan Sakai was just launching Usagi Yojimbo, and YARF! fanzine was (briefly) the One Zine To Bind Them All. The whole "ConFurEnce" movement grew and flourished in that time, and I think it a valid case can be made that all modern furcons since then were born from ConFurEnce. Once ConFurEnce sputtered to a stop, new regional cons jumped up to take over. The 1990's was probably the most transformative era, not just for the changes in the fur scene itself but also watching the fandom grow into and adapt from an analog age to the digital one at the same time.
The more I learn about the history the more I am growing to be accustomed to being one, although I know a bit already about furries I'm still new, maybe the more I learn about it the more entwined in the fandom I will become.
I am unsure how I stumbled into this video, but I am happy to have done so. This is fascinating stuff. Even as an outsider (I am not a Furry, though I admit to having a crush on Disney's Robin Hood when I was around 8 years old! 😂), I have seen a lot of hate thrown your way, usually very undeservedly. I only have a dozen Furry friends, though 2 of my closest friends belong to that community (one I met in college (studying Vet Tech, soooo...) and the other I worked with, but mostly knew each other through Gaia Online back when I was there. Same site I met a couple other Furries... well that and Neopets. Wow... Nostalgic topic for me, apparently! Ha!). I think your Fandom gets misunderstood frequently. I can sympathize with your plight. I receive a lot of crap myself (mostly because I'm nerdy, fat, a Whovian, possibly asexual, and a Mormon... though I am also a Steampunk, which, incidentally, also has faced something like that CSI episode with a poorly written NCIS episode. However, I have seen both the "Party Animal" episode and our "Random on Purpose" episode and Furries DEFINITELY got the worse treatment. Steampunks weren't portrayed as sick freaks... they just showed bland, watered-down "goths... but in brown." The culture wasn't even important to the story. It just came off as boring and tone-deaf. Oh well. I think (and hope) society is learning to be a little more accepting of weirdness. I really did enjoy the video and your willingness to share. I think it helps. I think people fear what they don't understand, so helping others understand your story leads to less ignorance and more tolerance.
15:35 "So please let me know down in the comment section your favorite part of furry fandom history that perhaps I skimmed over or neglected to mention entirely." Okay sure: Rainfurrest. Described in this video right here: ruclips.net/video/GmULc5VANsw/видео.html TL;DW It was a complete train wreck that really puts furries in a bad light because the attendees acted like all the bad stereotypes furries have.
I'm curious. Besides more people and therefor larger venues and better setups, many more creative people and improved technology, what is so different? The interest is the same, and the people are too.
I first found out about the fandom when i made an anthro bunny character named bluey, it was when i didnt know a single thing about the fandom and posted drawings of her on here, people assumed that i was a furry cause i had a "fursona", i looked up what they were and thought "ok" and just moved on. I starting getting into the fandom when I saw fursuits and convention videos, i personally thought they were cool and officially went into the fandom from there.
In ancient Egypt priest and devotees of Wepwawet/Anubis and other animal deities often wore carved wolf/jackal/lion/cat etc in both ritual and in daily life to draw the animal/deities power into it. Same with other cultures , bear and wolves normally the most common in the European areas
I was going to do some school project on furries for laughs, but the more research I'm doing, I don't understand why they are so hated. I think they're kinda wholesome tbh. Not joining anytime soon, but definitely don't get the hate.
I've been a furry for about 20+ years, and I think I can answer a bit of this. One of the the best and worst things about the furry fandom as a whole is accepting. And people looking to bad things have used the fandom as a shield for their uncouth behavior. Kero the Zoosadist is a recent example. There's an overlap of furrys and kinksters that also draw some ire from both groups respectively; people on both ends don't really like it when leather pups and murrsuiters try to interact with kids for obvious reasons. However, it's worth noting that the larger kink and murrsuiting communities get a bad rap because of the vocal minority who try to do things they really shouldn't be doing. This is a matter of consent and stuff like that, as the "safe, sane and consensual" idea is very much against the notion of kids not being included in +18 activities even if no sex is involved. Part of the hatred might also be that non-furs find them trying to take over things that aren't really for furrys to begin with. Trekkies and furrys have had some friction from way back in the day. I seem to recall Warhammer 40k and furrys having a bit of a go at each other, but I may be incorrect. Maybe another reason might be a matter of knee-jerk reactions to some interpersonal corrections. The same kind of thing you'd find in nerdy fandoms like maybe Homestuck or Supernaturally. Edit: We've had a problem in dealing with actual pedophiles and grooming as well, so I don't blame people for being hesitate to have their kids wanting anything to do with furrys. And no, it's not the religious conservatives that have had beef us.
Two alt furries disliked this video lol In terms of my favorite bit of skipped over history, it would have to be Anthrocon 2016 and the Milwaukee Brewers drama, as much hearsay as that is, it's a funny anecdote.
What if I told you... *removes sunglasses* We already did ruclips.net/video/abpYJMBmRgQ/видео.html (Scheduling is hard, so we intentionally did it before we broke 10K officially)
The video was great except you skipped the musical part aside from the Fox Amore playing in the background. But I have never found a video that was very informative and very accurate until this one.
Also what’s interesting is how the TMNT franchise has tried to distance itself from the furry fandom since it was purchased and then eventually pushed into the mainstream Hollywood industry by a major toy company as most people wouldn’t be reminded of the furry fandom by seeing anything related to TMNT! My theory is that it’s most likely a side effect to the furry fandom not being a mainstream fandom genre yet like the anime fandom for example! :)
I was hoping there'd be a mention of Furcadia! My first real introduction to the furry community when I was 11, and I've been furry ever since (well, I've technically gone scalie haha)
I...honestly fear that it would be Calvinism in a furry hat. Fanatical and downright..eh..is oppressive too passé to use? I'm kinda glad that that they didn't win out, but there are some still legitimate reasons I find myself agreeing on. Like not allowing kids near +18 content at cons, or brushing them away when After Dark Hours roll around. I'd rather not deal with kids at a strip joint, so why would I want them at an After Hour panel for a showing of Fritz the Cat y'know?
11:36. Lets face it, the end of that yellow line marked the highest popularity increase rate for this fandom by non-furries. Not tryna be offensive here, but thats sadly/happily ( based on ur view) is how ppl recognized furries. Legends will understand what i am referring to.
I have the book (Furry Nation). It is a GREAT read and it is something that I would recommended it to anyone (furries to learn more about the fandom) (and non furs who will see who we are and why we do what we do)
Pawsome video!!!! I joined the Furry Fandom in 2009 when I first got the internet and was looking at Thundercats cartoon fandom websites and came across one that was ran by a fur who had a link to the old FurNation website then I found out about Second Life through FurNation and they had a bunch of themed sims in Second Life. The furry fandom had been Pawsome to me since meeting an lot of furs. I am a gay male Pagan / Wiccan fur who has ADHD & Asperger's also found others just like me. =^.^=
I'm not a furrie (though I find it totally fascinating and very cool) but I hope Wal-Mart has those mascot heads again this year.. I wanted that Bunny so bad..
Neat, quite a few things I never knew about. Ive chatted with some older furs who was responsible for mail orders of furry like publications in the late 80s and early 90s. Definitely easier now days. Also its interesting to see the trials and issues this community experienced, echoes in other fandoms. Its like a template on how to start a new community.
We need more young furs. I think that many people (including me) thought that it was creepy, disrespectful or weird but in reality its not weird at all.
8:10 Because of the prejudices, my mother was/is upset that I came out as furry. (I'm asexual and have no interest in adult fun time.yet she says ugh you are sexually attracted to animals.nope that's not the case. but I feel more comfortable as a cat,and the other reason is that as a child I was more involved with cats than with my parents
Culturally F'd basically, one furry got fed up with trolls and published a video calling for furries to band together and expell all trolls from the platform. Naturally this didn't work, but it led to dozens of big (for the time) furry RUclips channels like silentwulf being hacked and terminated by trolls which led to counter harassment by furries of said trolls. This drama plagued the site for about a year before both sides basically got bored and stopped.
That cover of Vootie is interesting: it shows a 'furry' dressed and 'cosplaying' as Spock. I think that Furry Fandom today is probably regarded the same way that Trekkies/Trekkers were back in the day of the infamous "Get a life!" comment from Shatner on SNL so many years ago. People tended to see Trekkies as the common negative stereotype of "Loveless nerd carrying around a cardboard cutout of Uhura/Nurse Chapel", and only being able to talk about Star Trek and nothing else. Speaking as a non-furry myself (can't remember the chain that led me to this video), I think many of the general public see Furries as "Fur-verts": People who want to have sex in their fursuits All The Time (and mainly due to that one episode of CSI). It will probably take a couple more decades (and maybe some movie/TV franchise) to make them more acceptable to the general public.
A fellow greymuzzle who is more into Star Trek than I am has also mentioned this group friction. And in some fairness, quite a bit of the furvert stereotypes are self-inflicted. Especially given some of the flyers seen here.
@@Dinker27 Being a life long Sci-Fi/Fantasy fan, I don't particularly have a problem with Furries myself. I don't know any personally (although a friend of mine does 'lean' that way a bit 😏), and when my gang went to see 'Sing' and 'Zootopia' I really did like them, despite being heavily 'furry' in nature. I also semi-regularly attend a convention (DragonCon in Atlanta Ga.) that has a Furry regiment (along with EVERY other type of 'Fandom' on the spectrum, its an all-inclusive convention).
The furry conventions today have a lot of growing up to do, but however, we have outgrown much of the immaturities but sadly it still exists for some (pedophilia, beastiality, etc.). I just wished non furry haters like Mister Metokur would see that we’re trying to be better, but not being so much of an asshole or SJW. I like it for the art, creativity, and the socialization of my favorite fursuiters. Yes, I will admit we do have furry “toys” and adult themed artwork, but honestly, doesn’t that apply to other comic and anime conventions that sells adult material?
ReccaWolf Agreed, I feel like the stupid tik tok hate and shit split us as a community and we forgot who we were. We gotta come together and fix this, but I’m afraid that nobody is taking action.
the fandom currently has an issue with paedophilia its actually pretty wide spread particularly on Furaffinity where grooming is openly allowed under the narrative that paedophilia is a sexual orientation not a perversion
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Our sources are listed in the description. "Furry Nation" by Joe Strike was a pleasure to read.
You for forgot Sabrina online
I am a South African furry. and the fact that it has been mentioned that our cons are being recognised means so much to us
Can you try to figure out the starting point of the creepy OC's and fan art of fanbases
Finding it weird you say people grow out of being furry, but I've known plenty who are now in their 40s and 50s and are still furries, still commissioning from artists or still furry artists themselves and some older than that who are still out there that have just fallen into obscurity, but they never fell out of the fandom.
The furry fandom may have existed for 40 years, but anthro animals have existed almost forever in our art and culture. Weird stuff.
I know! It's almost like it isn't as weird as it seems!
JakeSpacePirate E A furry is much different than anthropomorphic cartoons.
@@AWMC2023 Not really.
Zidders Roofurry Yes really. Are you joking?
The weebs have been around for over 70 years but gamers have exsisted for the same time furries
I’m not a furry but the video is really interesting. I’ve always been curious how furries have risen on the Internet.
one could fairly say Furies as they are now rose WITH the internet.
Same they have even made it to my recommendations!
I'm a vore furry SAVE ME
I AM a furry and since I meet for the first time a furry character on my life I always wonder where all that cringy and furry fandom came from
I wish I could have seen what those early fur parties were like. Before the fandom really had rules or an identity.
At fan conventions (Science fiction and Comic mainly), in the evening the official programming would end, and people would host room parties in the hotels around the venue (when they were allowed, or could get away with it). Many of these were just open parties with snacks and alcohol (once again not always allowed), but some had themes, like films or TV shows, authors or artists. When faced with a boring evening at Westercon (regional science fiction convention ran by various SF clubs in the Western US) 1985, our friends loaned us their room for a party. We called it the Prancing Skiltaire party (named after our house, which is an homage to Tolkien's Prancing Pony pub). We have video tapes of Animalympics and old Warner Bros. theatrical short cartoons, which we showed, and collections of antropomorphic art and books to share. People started to show up and saw the art, and some said "wow, I though I was the only one that drew this stuff!" People would watch, look at art, draw, chat and snack. (our parties didn't have alcohol, due to the possibility of underage guests trying to sneak some). There was a time when various foxes would show off their juggling skills, and try to teach others. People with full-body costumes would use our space as a changing or repair area. After that, we hosted similar parties at Western conventions and Worldcons (the World SF convention, which moves around). The party became a "Furry party" the following year at Westercon in San Diego. Eventually there were other furry parties hosted by other people, but this is pretty much what ours were always like for around 30 years.
@@sysable I was going to mention the furry parties during Comic Con in San Diego a while back, and I just realized you guys were the ones that held the parties after reading your post xD
The Walt Disney Conventions would definitely be fitted into with people in fursuits
I'm impressed how the furry fandom has evolved.
From a simple "zine" to a extensive community
After Vootie (which was an APA, and so only available to it's limited membership), it was the room parties at other fan conventions (Science Fiction and Comic) that got the very first "xine" (available by subscription to anyone) started: Karl Mauer's "Furversion".
I attended all of the furry parties you showed the flyers for, plus Confurence Zero and most of the others. I joined the fandom thru science fiction cons in the 80s, met others, and was part of Rowrbrazzle. When I ended up in Arizona, I helped run Zoniecon as a range master, rocket master and event host. I was in my teens when I met many of my friends in the fandom. I am 50 now, and still do TFF every year and I still have lifelong friends in the fandom. Thanks for the balanced video, oh, and the Bambioid, that was Bob Hill. Suiting long before Shawn Keller.
Wolf Smith That's so damn COOL! Thank you so much for your insight; I could listen to your stories all day!
Professor JAJL, any time. I have decades of stories from furry cons.
@@wolfsmith2865 could I hear some?
@@1bitjay are you going to TFF next March?
No but do you have telegram?
Nice job using the old VHS filter to fix the audio muck-up. Also nice shirt.
þorrn Voxas, I agree.
Commission artist here. I have to say, i respect even the most deviant art work that i do, it puts food on my table. :3
This is probably my new favorite episode of culturally f'd I will definitely be sharing it around keep up the good work
The Furry Fandom has come along way from our origins in the late 70's and Early 80's. It really intrests me as to how we became what we are today and compare it to the fandom 20 or so years ago.
yes its amazing to watch the evolution of this amazing fandom 10 years i've been active in this amazing group of great people.
Summerskye Studios preach it #furrypride
I looked into the fandom's early years myself and you did a fantastic job. Incredibly fair and detailed. I love you got Joe Strike's book Furry Nation on display
12:43 I completely agree because my therapist and I work together to make my furry characters/fursonas help me. For example, Scam helps me push away bullies and negative thoughts and Star helps me be happy!
I'm a fur in my late 20s who discovered the fandom in the late 90s thanks to the role playing and the internet. It's crazy how much things have changed! Back then most fursona art was clearly based on media. I remember wanting a bear persona but shying away from it because all the other bears looked like Banjo from BanjoKazooie! For a long time I didn't even know the word "Furry" because it seemed like the term was shyed away from.
The thing that I've always loved best though about our community are the older furs though! Grey Muzzles today still keep the community together even with the influx of younger members. I don't think that older furs are leaving, I think they're just taking a deserved rest.
This is some awesome insight into the culture!! Quality content 🐶
Wait, what?!?
I find it funny when I see comments that say "the furry fandom is dead" or it's dying. While it may be true that it's different from what it was before, it just morphed into something that people don't recognize as the fandom as they remember it. When a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly, we don't say the caterpillar is dead...it's just changed into something else! But the fandom is far from dead. If it was dead, I wouldn't be meeting new furs, seeing new artwork or watching the amount of attendees at furry cons rise! XD
And furry has transformed into MIGHTY MOTHRA, TYRANT OF HUGS
The people who say that Furry is "dead or dying" are from the very same group that used the fandom for their own celebrity egos. The same people who attempted (sometimes successfully) to sabotage conventions for the very beginning (this is nothing new). The same people who surrounded the comic artists who were the pioneers in the fandom, and tried to keep anyone new out (like online RP fans and beginning artists), and created the term "lifestyler" for anyone who dared to imagine themselves as a furry. The media did portray the fandom in the worst light (don't they always do that?), but it was these idiots that really hurt the community. And some are still getting away with it...
I feel like the people who say the fandom's dead is saying it because they themselves aren't as involved in it? For the longest time, I thought the undertale fandom was dead until I stumbled upon the amino again and saw it's still going strong
The furdom isn't dying... it is regenerating.
Fandoms tend to have similar abilities as Time Lords.
@@mellokhai The people who say it are drama. That's it. They just like being drama.
I think one thing you might have mentioned when talking about being "counter-culture" is that time back in 2015 or 2016 where Syrain refugees coming to North America shared a hotel with a Canadian fur con. Considering the political climate at the time, it would have shown an example of the positive and accepting qualities that the fandom has. Otherwise, great video!
Yes, this was a very heartwarming story!
Our convention is called "VancouFur"
Congratulations on being in the recommended feed for a non-furry user's account; really does go to show how furries are becoming more and more mainstream.
I approve, and am now a subscriber. 👍
Thanks for this info, I been working on a book on fan conventions for about 5 years now and been doing a lot of research for the chapter on furry cons and fandom, and it seems like your video is confirming and even going into more detail some of the stuff I have in my rough draft.
The first fursuit parade was organized by Yappy Fox at Anthrocon in 1997 so the dealers and artists who were working in the dealers den during the day could see all the fursuiters at the convention. It was a simple idea, but it grew to become one of the biggest events at most furcons. Great video (except for the fake VHS effects!) Keep up the awesome work.
God I can't believe how far this fandom has come, so many roller-coaster years and nothing but more wonder and delight to look forward to.... despite the impossible-to-get hotel roommsssss!!!!! RAGE!!!!!!
Also, shout-out to a dear sloth friend of mine who's seen dancing at 13:00 :DDDD
You know what I can't believe? The fact that people thought that that early art they showed was the best of the best. It just shows there might just be hope for me yet.
You helped me connect with my fandom again and realize how much i miss the community. Thank you. :3
I’m not a furry, and I think anthro characters are a fantastic art form. They can really spark creativity when it comes to a characters personality.
This is most likely the best short video I've seen on the Subject yet. I recognized quite a few of the artists and personalities seen in the video clips and recall a lot of the events mentioned along the timeline. Job well done.
TYPO/CORRECTIONS:
1:01 "timless" is supposed to read "Timeless", Tim's are absolutely invited to be furries.
1:55 The Cartoon/Fantasy Organization helped connect subscribers and Amateur Press Associations for distributing these fanzines en.wikifur.com/wiki/Cartoon/Fantasy_Organization
2:22 Vootie didn't publish the first issue of Omaha, it published the first appearance of Omaha in one of the contributions.
First actual published issue was later.
2:28 Omaha the cat dancer didn't cause the raids. It was one of many titles picked up in the raids.
7:40 The "Burned Furs" were not the first puritanical movement to attempt to "clean up" the fandom.
8:56 The fursuit parade was also intended to show the Dealers Den sellers the costumed guests, since they couldn't leave their tables.
10:29 Lots of Furry comics were published in the 80's and 90's, but shifted online with fandom preferences. Today we see a resurgence of fandom print publishing.
Thanks to our fact-checkers Summerotter, Chip Fox and Dronon for these addendum's.
I remember an DJ at a local radio saying on the air I'm not an Furry or an Brony but I understand why it helps popole with things like PTSD learn to be human again.
When I hear about the 1970s, I get the song “Stayin’ Alive” stuck in my head lol.
Very good video. I'm reading Furry Nation right now. I don't think you mention Rod O'Riley or the first fursuiter Robert Hill much, as I feel he was an important part of the growth of the fandom in the late 80's with ConFurence. Still, what a portfolio you put together!! Quite impressed. I've been in the fandom a short time (less than 5 years) and I'm a Greymuzzle. Thanks - JG Bear
Thank you for a great overview of the fandom. It’s sad how little we learn of our own history and videos like this show where we came from and where we are now. Thank you.
Noice shutter shades dude, also thank you very much for the vid, helps me with my school project on furries (yes I’m that nuts)
Bucktown Tiger is actually hilarious. Even on national TV, on Jeopardy, he can't help but make his little 'paws' in excitement as he absolutely dominates the show! Even if it does make me a little anxious, thinking he might be ostracized for it, I love seeing that bit of open "Furriness". It would have been lovely for this to have been longer to cover such characters, including the author of the book in the background, Joe Strike! I read his book recently and it was quite insightful, and certainly made me even more tied to the fandom's very long history in the making.
Thanks for making this video, I enjoyed it!
Yo, the TMNT RPG came out before the IP got popular. Also the first Albedo RPG book also predates both Ironclaw and World Tree. The Albedo book came out in 1988 and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Other Strangeness in 1985. World Tree came out in 2000 and Ironclaw in 1999. @Bengaley on Twitter, the Furry Librarian, could probably tell you about others.
That would be the Summercat he mentioned :3 Also an early RPG, Other Suns was done by Niall Shapiero in 1983 and featured the Skilltaire race.
We have come a really long way.
What about Lapfox Trax (aka Vulpvibe Records or Halley Labs), the largest furry record label in the world?
Love the music got many songs downloaded just wish I could get because maybeeeeee on CD but they are sold out not sure if they would restock
You mean the douche who admitted in public (via Facebook post) they raped someone in their sleep?
Burned Furs, haven’t heard that name in a long time.
/*drags cigarette/* these day's they're just... ashes
Dat burn!
Kaimana Anakoni they sound like the enclave from the fallout series, but only furry.
That comparison fits surprisingly well. Luckily they didn't have the same financial and political possibilities. :D
Luckily one day in will be the same for the Furry Raiders
something that nobody really noticed was the boom of furries after the box office success of Zootopia
I love the furries fandom
Thank you for the shout-out ^^
Seems odd to jump from 1989 to the 2000's and the internet culture. A trainload of stuff happened in those formative years after ConFurEnce Zero. It really was the heyday of the furry fanzine time; Orowrbrazzle was getting staggeringly huge, Albedo was taking off like a rocket, Stan Sakai was just launching Usagi Yojimbo, and YARF! fanzine was (briefly) the One Zine To Bind Them All. The whole "ConFurEnce" movement grew and flourished in that time, and I think it a valid case can be made that all modern furcons since then were born from ConFurEnce. Once ConFurEnce sputtered to a stop, new regional cons jumped up to take over.
The 1990's was probably the most transformative era, not just for the changes in the fur scene itself but also watching the fandom grow into and adapt from an analog age to the digital one at the same time.
The more I learn about the history the more I am growing to be accustomed to being one, although I know a bit already about furries I'm still new, maybe the more I learn about it the more entwined in the fandom I will become.
Question: would you argue that Disney mascots walking around the Disney parks are fursuits?
Me, personally? Yes. Much of the "rules" we have for fursuiting come from the old guard of mascots who worked at theme parks and sports events.
I am unsure how I stumbled into this video, but I am happy to have done so. This is fascinating stuff. Even as an outsider (I am not a Furry, though I admit to having a crush on Disney's Robin Hood when I was around 8 years old! 😂), I have seen a lot of hate thrown your way, usually very undeservedly. I only have a dozen Furry friends, though 2 of my closest friends belong to that community (one I met in college (studying Vet Tech, soooo...) and the other I worked with, but mostly knew each other through Gaia Online back when I was there. Same site I met a couple other Furries... well that and Neopets. Wow... Nostalgic topic for me, apparently! Ha!). I think your Fandom gets misunderstood frequently. I can sympathize with your plight. I receive a lot of crap myself (mostly because I'm nerdy, fat, a Whovian, possibly asexual, and a Mormon... though I am also a Steampunk, which, incidentally, also has faced something like that CSI episode with a poorly written NCIS episode. However, I have seen both the "Party Animal" episode and our "Random on Purpose" episode and Furries DEFINITELY got the worse treatment. Steampunks weren't portrayed as sick freaks... they just showed bland, watered-down "goths... but in brown." The culture wasn't even important to the story. It just came off as boring and tone-deaf. Oh well. I think (and hope) society is learning to be a little more accepting of weirdness. I really did enjoy the video and your willingness to share. I think it helps. I think people fear what they don't understand, so helping others understand your story leads to less ignorance and more tolerance.
Does anyone know where I can get some of those old zines? I'm interested in building a collection of old furry memorabilia.
Zootopia is the first movie that I’ve seen twice in theaters
Though sexual charged at times I was a big fan of the Webcomic series "Sabrina Online"
Oh, remember that
15:35 "So please let me know down in the comment section your favorite part of furry fandom history that perhaps I skimmed over or neglected to mention entirely."
Okay sure: Rainfurrest. Described in this video right here: ruclips.net/video/GmULc5VANsw/видео.html
TL;DW It was a complete train wreck that really puts furries in a bad light because the attendees acted like all the bad stereotypes furries have.
The Redwall series by Brian Jacques may be of interest to you.
ruclips.net/video/PA93oymTbXY/видео.html
Great video!! Great information! Just a great job in general! Keep up this great work!
nobody but us know the misunderstanding pain that is being a furry.
We've come far from where we started. if you look at videos from the first conventions and suits vs conventions and suits now its like night and day!
I'm curious. Besides more people and therefor larger venues and better setups, many more creative people and improved technology, what is so different? The interest is the same, and the people are too.
thank you :D this is my school project :>
why.
Where did you get your playing card shirt?
I first found out about the fandom when i made an anthro bunny character named bluey, it was when i didnt know a single thing about the fandom and posted drawings of her on here, people assumed that i was a furry cause i had a "fursona", i looked up what they were and thought "ok" and just moved on.
I starting getting into the fandom when I saw fursuits and convention videos, i personally thought they were cool and officially went into the fandom from there.
For some reason The Furry Fandom reminds me of The Jedi in a few ways.
Tarlo The Boar use the fur, luke!
i guess the Anakin of the furry world has yet to turn to the dark side
@@Iandothing I hope the fandom is still in The Old Republic Era
In ancient Egypt priest and devotees of Wepwawet/Anubis and other animal deities often wore carved wolf/jackal/lion/cat etc in both ritual and in daily life to draw the animal/deities power into it. Same with other cultures , bear and wolves normally the most common in the European areas
anyone know what the show/movie in the upper right at 0:44 is?
An old Tezuka flick: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagi,_the_Monster_of_Mighty_Nature
thanks
I was going to do some school project on furries for laughs, but the more research I'm doing, I don't understand why they are so hated. I think they're kinda wholesome tbh. Not joining anytime soon, but definitely don't get the hate.
I've been a furry for about 20+ years, and I think I can answer a bit of this.
One of the the best and worst things about the furry fandom as a whole is accepting. And people looking to bad things have used the fandom as a shield for their uncouth behavior. Kero the Zoosadist is a recent example.
There's an overlap of furrys and kinksters that also draw some ire from both groups respectively; people on both ends don't really like it when leather pups and murrsuiters try to interact with kids for obvious reasons. However, it's worth noting that the larger kink and murrsuiting communities get a bad rap because of the vocal minority who try to do things they really shouldn't be doing. This is a matter of consent and stuff like that, as the "safe, sane and consensual" idea is very much against the notion of kids not being included in +18 activities even if no sex is involved.
Part of the hatred might also be that non-furs find them trying to take over things that aren't really for furrys to begin with. Trekkies and furrys have had some friction from way back in the day. I seem to recall Warhammer 40k and furrys having a bit of a go at each other, but I may be incorrect.
Maybe another reason might be a matter of knee-jerk reactions to some interpersonal corrections. The same kind of thing you'd find in nerdy fandoms like maybe Homestuck or Supernaturally.
Edit: We've had a problem in dealing with actual pedophiles and grooming as well, so I don't blame people for being hesitate to have their kids wanting anything to do with furrys. And no, it's not the religious conservatives that have had beef us.
Two alt furries disliked this video lol
In terms of my favorite bit of skipped over history, it would have to be Anthrocon 2016 and the Milwaukee Brewers drama, as much hearsay as that is, it's a funny anecdote.
Please tell me yur doing a 10k subs special :3
What if I told you... *removes sunglasses* We already did
ruclips.net/video/abpYJMBmRgQ/видео.html
(Scheduling is hard, so we intentionally did it before we broke 10K officially)
Culturally F'd Oh, alrighty then x3
The video was great except you skipped the musical part aside from the Fox Amore playing in the background. But I have never found a video that was very informative and very accurate until this one.
I like the shirt you're wearing in this video. Where did you get it from?
I am furry, but its amazing to hear history of furries from 1970-now
Not a furry but I do know that the first anthropomorphic art piece dates back over 40 thousand years.
More valuable content! We really enjoyed the overview of the history. We also cannot wait to see how the fandom grows!
Also what’s interesting is how the TMNT franchise has tried to distance itself from the furry fandom since it was purchased and then eventually pushed into the mainstream Hollywood industry by a major toy company as most people wouldn’t be reminded of the furry fandom by seeing anything related to TMNT! My theory is that it’s most likely a side effect to the furry fandom not being a mainstream fandom genre yet like the anime fandom for example! :)
What are the animation names?
I was hoping there'd be a mention of Furcadia! My first real introduction to the furry community when I was 11, and I've been furry ever since (well, I've technically gone scalie haha)
Alternate history scenario: what if the burned furs were successful in "cleaning up" the fandom?
I...honestly fear that it would be Calvinism in a furry hat. Fanatical and downright..eh..is oppressive too passé to use?
I'm kinda glad that that they didn't win out, but there are some still legitimate reasons I find myself agreeing on. Like not allowing kids near +18 content at cons, or brushing them away when After Dark Hours roll around.
I'd rather not deal with kids at a strip joint, so why would I want them at an After Hour panel for a showing of Fritz the Cat y'know?
This was very interesting thanks for doing the research and sharing!
9:42 hahaha! Oh man I wondered if that episode would be brought up
I hate mentioning it, but those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. What about rainfurest.
Is VG-Cats considered a furry comic? I always thought it was more like a gaming parody comic ... also featuring, but not only cats.
Out of technicality I'd say yes
11:36. Lets face it, the end of that yellow line marked the highest popularity increase rate for this fandom by non-furries. Not tryna be offensive here, but thats sadly/happily ( based on ur view) is how ppl recognized furries. Legends will understand what i am referring to.
Where'd you get that shirt :0
I really like your shirt, where I can find it?
Fantastic work! I love this channel.
I have the book (Furry Nation). It is a GREAT read and it is something that I would recommended it to anyone (furries to learn more about the fandom) (and non furs who will see who we are and why we do what we do)
1:18 IS THIS WHAT WAS ON JOHNNIE GUILBERT’S SHIRT
Pawsome video!!!! I joined the Furry Fandom in 2009 when I first got the internet and was looking at Thundercats cartoon fandom websites and came across one that was ran by a fur who had a link to the old FurNation website then I found out about Second Life through FurNation and they had a bunch of themed sims in Second Life. The furry fandom had been Pawsome to me since meeting an lot of furs. I am a gay male Pagan / Wiccan fur who has ADHD & Asperger's also found others just like me. =^.^=
Huh. I also have ADHD and aspergers. But I'd never dare go to a convention.
That’s a good example of the power of the internet.
I'm not a furrie (though I find it totally fascinating and very cool) but I hope Wal-Mart has those mascot heads again this year.. I wanted that Bunny so bad..
Neat, quite a few things I never knew about. Ive chatted with some older furs who was responsible for mail orders of furry like publications in the late 80s and early 90s. Definitely easier now days. Also its interesting to see the trials and issues this community experienced, echoes in other fandoms. Its like a template on how to start a new community.
how did you make it look so vintage style? :OOO
This is really cool! Very interesting as well. It’s time I learn about my fandom!
*Furry for life*
I want that picture of rocket and groot so much
We need more young furs. I think that many people (including me) thought that it was creepy, disrespectful or weird but in reality its not weird at all.
Great video introduction for us nerds who were not aware of the community and art form. I kind of wish I knew of this before age 20.
alt_furry isn't an elitist movement. it a bunch of people that were shunned by the furry community for politics
Shunned for terrible opinions and pleanty of racism
I’ve always wanted to imagine what furry cons would’ve been like if they existed back in the 70’s and early 80’s. Just imagine Midwest Fur Fest 1978!
Damn.. Furnation, VCL, Yerf, and Furcadia.. That brings good memories of when I was in middle/high school. It also makes me feel old >w
8:10 Because of the prejudices, my mother was/is upset that I came out as furry. (I'm asexual and have no interest in adult fun time.yet she says ugh you are sexually attracted to animals.nope that's not the case. but I feel more comfortable as a cat,and the other reason is that as a child I was more involved with cats than with my parents
Yooo, lemme guess, you got that cardboard head from Vat19, right?
Suprised you didn't mention the RUclips Furry War of 2007.
Please regale us with the tail. This was long before our time on the platform, or even the fandom
Culturally F'd basically, one furry got fed up with trolls and published a video calling for furries to band together and expell all trolls from the platform. Naturally this didn't work, but it led to dozens of big (for the time) furry RUclips channels like silentwulf being hacked and terminated by trolls which led to counter harassment by furries of said trolls. This drama plagued the site for about a year before both sides basically got bored and stopped.
I thought Nine Lives was R, not X?
That cover of Vootie is interesting: it shows a 'furry' dressed and 'cosplaying' as Spock.
I think that Furry Fandom today is probably regarded the same way that Trekkies/Trekkers were back in the day of the infamous "Get a life!" comment from Shatner on SNL so many years ago.
People tended to see Trekkies as the common negative stereotype of "Loveless nerd carrying around a cardboard cutout of Uhura/Nurse Chapel", and only being able to talk about Star Trek and nothing else.
Speaking as a non-furry myself (can't remember the chain that led me to this video), I think many of the general public see Furries as "Fur-verts": People who want to have sex in their fursuits All The Time (and mainly due to that one episode of CSI). It will probably take a couple more decades (and maybe some movie/TV franchise) to make them more acceptable to the general public.
A fellow greymuzzle who is more into Star Trek than I am has also mentioned this group friction.
And in some fairness, quite a bit of the furvert stereotypes are self-inflicted. Especially given some of the flyers seen here.
@@Dinker27 Being a life long Sci-Fi/Fantasy fan, I don't particularly have a problem with Furries myself. I don't know any personally (although a friend of mine does 'lean' that way a bit 😏), and when my gang went to see 'Sing' and 'Zootopia' I really did like them, despite being heavily 'furry' in nature.
I also semi-regularly attend a convention (DragonCon in Atlanta Ga.) that has a Furry regiment (along with EVERY other type of 'Fandom' on the spectrum, its an all-inclusive convention).
@@MrChupacabra555 Regiment?
@@Dinker27 Its a word I use to refer to different 'factions' of Fandom (Star Trek Regiment, Star Wars Regiment, LotR.....you get the picture 😅)
@@MrChupacabra555 I didn't even bat an eye, but the Furry Raiders and Antifur exist..so I was legit confused for a moment. 🤣
Some of the negative stereotypes are invalid anyway because they aren’t bad things
The furry conventions today have a lot of growing up to do, but however, we have outgrown much of the immaturities but sadly it still exists for some (pedophilia, beastiality, etc.). I just wished non furry haters like Mister Metokur would see that we’re trying to be better, but not being so much of an asshole or SJW. I like it for the art, creativity, and the socialization of my favorite fursuiters. Yes, I will admit we do have furry “toys” and adult themed artwork, but honestly, doesn’t that apply to other comic and anime conventions that sells adult material?
ReccaWolf Agreed, I feel like the stupid tik tok hate and shit split us as a community and we forgot who we were. We gotta come together and fix this, but I’m afraid that nobody is taking action.
His channel name definitely made sense
the fandom currently has an issue with paedophilia its actually pretty wide spread particularly on Furaffinity where grooming is openly allowed under the narrative that paedophilia is a sexual orientation not a perversion
the fandom may have started in the 70s but it really started since humans created great civilizations.
W-wait, why am I here? I just like to occasionally draw cats...