Nice to know that a German brand is selling a huge luxurious sedan in China for 20k euros, while in Germany you pay 25k for a base Golf with a 3 cylinder engine.
VW usually produces the cars for Europe in Europe. This means the costs for labor, bureaucracy and energy are much higher (more than two times the costs compared to China). The taxes in China are also different. I don't know if they are included in the named prices. But I know that there is a tax rate of 0% for electric cars, but I don't know how it is for a car like in the video. Skoda and Seat are usually the cheaper options by VW in Europe (VW owns Skoda and Seat). It is not possible for VW to produce more price competitive in Europe.
@@Seb2 Thats just not true. Some of the parts may be made in China but all European market cars are assembled in Europe where electricity costs and labour costs are much higher
I bought golf 8 2024 2.0 tdi manual, for 30k.. and it’s considered cheap (i had a good deal) they are way over 30k (especially diesel).. bit watching this here, i just can’t believe how much we are overpaying an old tech… never going to buy a new car again , that’s for sure 😇
Such a shame this Sedan is not avalaible in Europe. Here people buy wagons to carry air , if you have 1 child they buy suv's 🤮🤮🤮🤮. The perfect car design was is and will be , the Sedan!❤❤❤❤
In Germany you can buy the new B9 Passat online from about 35k (without any options), MSRP in Germany is high for bookkeeping reasons, most Passats are leased by companies anyway (about 90% of sales!), with very attractive rates for companies due to Volkswagen having it's own bank in Germany.
@@Kortusmaximus what are you talking...do you know that i work for 1.200€ a month...and that in china i near 900€ as i last checked..the midle class i am talking about....and they have cheaper food cars, apartments etc.
Because China is not ran by traitors working for the US and doing everything to destroy China. EU on the other hand is ran by traitors working for the USA and doing everything they can to destroy Europe.
@@nocapproductions5471 the double standard of doubling the price without any reason whatsoever. Please spare me the "China salaries are lower", manufacturing is almost completely automated xD, or the safety standard as most Chinese Cars pass euroNcap.
@@manuelbarreto7032 well I dont know what is the reason for the price difference. However chinese assembly factory worker is paid Id assume the equivalent of 1000 euro per month while the German guy is paid 3000 euro per month. If this Volkswagen Passat is made in China I could see it being a big part in it. But I think this is much different issue, since China now produces amazing electric vehicles, traditional car makers have to sell ICE cars at lower price to compete. While in Europe traditional carmakers have a complete monopoly because EVs are so expensive due to various tarrifs.
wtf. This car is like less than half the price of what we pay in Europe and features so much more stock features. Also we dont get the sedan version. We need to buy the Skoda equivalent.
This is how much Passat should cost. Škoda Citigo 7.000€ VW up 8.000€ Škoda Fabia 9.000€ VW Polo 10.000€ Škoda Octavia 12.000€ Golf 13.000€ Škoda Superb 18.000€ Passat 20.000€
Fabia actually should cost 9k as it has manual ac and literally no features, no sound Isolation, awful loud suspension and so on, its like lowest possible car to choose but looks alright from outside
It makes me angry to know that we have to pay upwards of 45.000€ for this car in Germany. That's why I will give chinese cars a try if they will be released here for a decent price.
This blew my mind. The cheapest cars in Israel are the Hyundai i10 and Mitsubishi Space Star, both going for the equivalent of around 24K euros. The Passat is not being sold here but the similar(although cheaper) Skoda Superb at its lowest trim(1.5, 150hp) goes for around 47K.
@@elmafias5103 yeah, new car market here is crazy. Taxes on a new vehicle are around 110% (83% purchase tax + 17% Vat), making a corolla cost around 40K Euro. for electric cars it's "only" 52% (35% purchase tax + 17% vat) making them pretty attractive, in fact the best selling car last year was the BYD Atto 3 by a huge margin.
VW was forced to go into A) a 50-50 joint venture and share 50% of those profits B) build the cars in china giving jobs to locals C) use local supply chain as much as possible meaning boosting other local businesses in China and importing as least as possible (basically almost nothing even the engine is made in china ) D) Give their entire knowledge away to the local industry which is now built up on their back ,for the opportunity to gain market access. Love the propogandists all over the place
How do you know? The chinese would let vw back in the 80s operate in china only in cooperation with a chinese state owned companies. Thats UNFAIR AS FUCK
@@eden5260"Forced" I mean, no one "forced" you to sell in China, however China is such a gigantic market that you can't ignore it. So as they wisely had taken advantage of it. All the western car brands have made a lot of money selling and making cars in China. It's more like their own fault for expanding the political correctness to the economy, western brands were happily making and selling in China and China was happily buying and learning from European brands 😊
@@Oxidofeo oh yeah they were not forced I forgot that part thanks. Just like the Chinese aren't forced to sell in Europe or USA. So what are we crying about exactly ? Stay in China or pay high tax/customs fee (still lower than the ones China took and still taking off of imports)
Price comparisons between now and the farther past suggest how ugly VW’s behavior really was, as they abused the market without competition. Chinese people should boycott VW entirely for that.
Agreed. China used to get all the sh*t watered down models like the Jetta and the Santana. Terrible cars. VW is on its way out. Give them five years and they'll likely exit the Chinese market.
It is interesting how they're not using 1.5L plugin hybrid (mainly because in mega cities pure ICE cars are much harder to register and this is high volume car)
Nah, it is just because chinese market is not a fan of small engine with hybrid (considering the maintenance cost later) and also EA888 engine, it is just everywhere here in china...
I cannot imagine where the sedan would be at if it weren't for Asia (or Korea, but that's a small market). East Asia is really the last place where sedans thrive. It used to be the US, but we unfortunately traded it for lifted hatchbacks that pretend to be off-roady and are worse in every other way.
VW is so desperate now. It shows that you really only got a POS $20k car for $40k for the longest time. Now that their competition is creeping up on their ass, they are in panic mode with discounts and still no one wants them.
how the fuck are you supposed to park that and use it in the city, especially in apartment buildings, when it's longer than the conventional parking spot
State of the art? About which art you are talking about? Ahhh coyping tesla model3 interior with big central display in the middle? Or are we talking about unefficient chines evs? The new vw drivetrain is one of the most efficient on the market. The germans still building cars not toys
It uses engine technology, which is worse than electric but this car is pretty good overall. Its over 40 000 euro in Europe and people are happily buying it. The Chinise price is very good
@vgstb on one hand the West bash the hell out of China because they know China will wipe the floor with them (hence the tariffs etc) then simultaneously design cars specifically for the Chinese market because they know its THE biggest car market in the world as a last cry for help. It's inevitable that these western rip off car manufacturers are free falling, and it's about time. The average Chinese citizen now has access to some of the most luxurious and technological advanced vehicles at a price most people on the planet don't.
You dont mention that you have to live in Chinas big cities, to be able to buy such car. And living in a big city in China means that the price for a license plate for a combustion engine car can rank up the price above the level of European prices. So unless you are lucky you can keep your 20k€ VW in the garage or at the parking lot or pay an incredible price for a registration. And to all the Germans complaining about higher prices. You have a minimum wage of approx. 2500€ per month. So manufacturing a car in Germany will always be more expensive in comparison to China, where minimum wage is 370€ per month in Shanghai, which is the highest among all provinces. And I know that B9 Passat is made in Slovakia where minimum wage is less than 1000€ per month, I just want to point out that if you want cheap cars, let them be manufactured in China, maybe even developed in China and you will have nowhere to work because half of your economy is based on cars. And my opinion why the Chinese Passat is so cheap is, that they didnt have to do nearly any development, thus lower prices as well. They took at least 90% of the European developed Passat.
Well, the station wagon is just more versatile, hauling even the biggest IKEA college-kid-apartment shopping spree with ease. Unless put in relation to economic stats like per capita/household income etc., converting Chinese domestic market prices _one-for-one_ to Euro is moot, even misleading. In the same sense, cars from Chinese brands are obviously not sold at directly converted prices in the European market.
It's like comparing a horse and kart to the types of advanced vehicles China have 😂 Why would you even buy that when you can get a full self driving, safer, better looking, electric - battery, swapable vehicle for the same money?
Waiting for Passat pro max
LOL
I will buy the Passat pro max plus ultra version
😂! I’m waiting for the Passat Pro Max in titanium with Passat Intelligence.
lol
I hope it comes with a triple fold.. lol
Nice to know that a German brand is selling a huge luxurious sedan in China for 20k euros, while in Germany you pay 25k for a base Golf with a 3 cylinder engine.
That's shocks me a lot... I thought German brands must sell their cars at a cheaper price in German.
Shocker, car produced in China sells for less than car produced in Europe
You can import german cars from US as its cheaper than buy locally LMAO
base golf is no longer sold with a 3 cylinder
proves competition brings down prices dramatically
In Europe for 20k you can get only Dacia, so sad 😢
This car is also made by Dongfeng, and it should start from 7,000€ in China.
Fun fact, cars like Dacia would never even sell in China. Even poorest person won't buy small plastic car with manual transmission.
@@GallAnonim-jx2cz no lol your poorest person has a bike or moped
@@GallAnonim-jx2czisn't it that most people there can't afford any car?
Check medium Chinese income.
I feel betrayed. This car would cost 60k+ in Germany... how is this possible? I could never afford that
VW usually produces the cars for Europe in Europe. This means the costs for labor, bureaucracy and energy are much higher (more than two times the costs compared to China). The taxes in China are also different. I don't know if they are included in the named prices. But I know that there is a tax rate of 0% for electric cars, but I don't know how it is for a car like in the video.
Skoda and Seat are usually the cheaper options by VW in Europe (VW owns Skoda and Seat). It is not possible for VW to produce more price competitive in Europe.
In the EU, such a car would cost 50K. People are getting robbed by VW overthere...
You know VW is selling at a loss in China don’t you?
Power adjusted rear seats and a giant screen with a decent system is more like 60-65 if not more
volkswagen is defrauding european customers this car in the video would cost over 50k in europe
50k or 60-70k with all those extta things they putting on
Over 70k considering the features
Not defending VW but labour costs in Europe are much higher than in China. It would be impossible to make a Passat in Europe that would cost under 25k
@@Swiss4.2 they are also building cars for the European market in China 👀
@@Seb2 Thats just not true. Some of the parts may be made in China but all European market cars are assembled in Europe where electricity costs and labour costs are much higher
Beautiful car. Lucky China, its over 40 000 euro in Europe 😢
Thanks China for keeping sedans alive
In germany you have to pay 40k€just for the car itself with additional specs around 56k€ + we only have the ugly estate version and not the Limousine
the neighbors grass is always greener, estate is way cooler and more useful.
Just crazy difference in prices between EU and China 😂😂
Meanwhile in Germany: VW is begging for state subventions😢
I bought golf 8 2024 2.0 tdi manual, for 30k.. and it’s considered cheap (i had a good deal) they are way over 30k (especially diesel).. bit watching this here, i just can’t believe how much we are overpaying an old tech… never going to buy a new car again , that’s for sure 😇
crazy really, they get the porsche interior for 20k
Such a shame this Sedan is not avalaible in Europe. Here people buy wagons to carry air , if you have 1 child they buy suv's 🤮🤮🤮🤮. The perfect car design was is and will be , the Sedan!❤❤❤❤
In Germany you can buy the new B9 Passat online from about 35k (without any options), MSRP in Germany is high for bookkeeping reasons, most Passats are leased by companies anyway (about 90% of sales!), with very attractive rates for companies due to Volkswagen having it's own bank in Germany.
They have bank ? Surprised to know.
@@arsemo07 Most big Car companies make halve of their profits from financing.
Fun fact, cars in China are not sold with "options". Just base model, mid trim model and full option model. thats it.
He really understands cars and car industry. Good review, as always.
Great in europe station wagon is 45.000€ 🤦🤬
Average income and livin quality IS Higher Here in Europe. Do you wanna live in China?
@@Kortusmaximus what are you talking...do you know that i work for 1.200€ a month...and that in china i near 900€ as i last checked..the midle class i am talking about....and they have cheaper food cars, apartments etc.
@@zelcpavle5494That’s very low. I make 3300€/month and I’m middle class. If I was unemployed I would get 1700€/month
Indeed, we are being scammed big time here in europe
Uuuuu, import that thing to Europe please.
A Passat pullman-linusine, nice.
And that price,k they ask 60k for the basic Passat here.
Even the interior is nicer than in the EU Passat... wtf is VW doing...stabbing their own costumers in the back.
i hope the market shifts again back to the sedans.
why do chinese get so much better cars then the eu?
Competition and efficient industry
Biggest market and lots of competition so it's hunger games for constructors
The more competitors the more benefits for the Customer
more options,
Because China is not ran by traitors working for the US and doing everything to destroy China. EU on the other hand is ran by traitors working for the USA and doing everything they can to destroy Europe.
The hipocrisy of the west is unbeliveable. 😂😂😂
What hypocrisy? This car costs over 40 000 euro in Europe, I would literally buy it tommorow if it sold for 21 000 euro like in China.
@@nocapproductions5471 the double standard of doubling the price without any reason whatsoever. Please spare me the "China salaries are lower", manufacturing is almost completely automated xD, or the safety standard as most Chinese Cars pass euroNcap.
@@manuelbarreto7032 labor costs are not at all negligable. I don't know why anybody would say that.
@@manuelbarreto7032 well I dont know what is the reason for the price difference. However chinese assembly factory worker is paid Id assume the equivalent of 1000 euro per month while the German guy is paid 3000 euro per month. If this Volkswagen Passat is made in China I could see it being a big part in it. But I think this is much different issue, since China now produces amazing electric vehicles, traditional car makers have to sell ICE cars at lower price to compete. While in Europe traditional carmakers have a complete monopoly because EVs are so expensive due to various tarrifs.
Cars in China market is so awesome. Got offered with various types of cars and wide range of specifications 🎉
Nice review, short, clear, and solid!
One more example that VW will bankrupt more soon than later... Even with half the prices of EU market ! 😠
Dude, i first saw your id3 video where you liked the software, the new one. Now I am subscribed. GG
I’m so mad we have less sedans now in EU. Wtf is going on
This is what happens when you don't meddle with the free market you get good cars for cheap
Hell yeah ! Moving to China baby 😂
wtf. This car is like less than half the price of what we pay in Europe and features so much more stock features. Also we dont get the sedan version. We need to buy the Skoda equivalent.
This is how much Passat should cost.
Škoda Citigo 7.000€
VW up 8.000€
Škoda Fabia 9.000€
VW Polo 10.000€
Škoda Octavia 12.000€
Golf 13.000€
Škoda Superb 18.000€
Passat 20.000€
Fabia actually should cost 9k as it has manual ac and literally no features, no sound Isolation, awful loud suspension and so on, its like lowest possible car to choose but looks alright from outside
Too Late Wolksplastic
I’d have to say I like the 16 speaker Harmon Kardon sound system.
As a german, I feel betrayed and am outraged -.-'
For 20k€ you could only get like a brand new DACIA, nothing more.
It makes me angry to know that we have to pay upwards of 45.000€ for this car in Germany. That's why I will give chinese cars a try if they will be released here for a decent price.
63k for b5 passat?!?
Actually. the price is still to expensive 4 Chinese causes we have to pay vw's brand premium.U can see cars manufactured by Geely Xpeng or Chery
This blew my mind.
The cheapest cars in Israel are the Hyundai i10 and Mitsubishi Space Star, both going for the equivalent of around 24K euros.
The Passat is not being sold here but the similar(although cheaper) Skoda Superb at its lowest trim(1.5, 150hp) goes for around 47K.
Well, you can tell it’s mainly due to taxes, probably because of duties that you have to pay for imported cars.
@@elmafias5103 yeah, new car market here is crazy. Taxes on a new vehicle are around 110% (83% purchase tax + 17% Vat), making a corolla cost around 40K Euro.
for electric cars it's "only" 52% (35% purchase tax + 17% vat) making them pretty attractive, in fact the best selling car last year was the BYD Atto 3 by a huge margin.
VW clearly misses the mark. The Chinese market is clamoring for NEVs, not another ICE vehicle.
Good info. Thank you for work.
Is it possible to get this car transported to Europe? I want to buy one in China and find someone to transport it to EU?
VW have gained so much money in China in past decades so easily , now they say China is not a fair player. What a joke.
VW was forced to go into
A) a 50-50 joint venture and share 50% of those profits
B) build the cars in china giving jobs to locals
C) use local supply chain as much as possible meaning boosting other local businesses in China and importing as least as possible (basically almost nothing even the engine is made in china )
D) Give their entire knowledge away to the local industry which is now built up on their back ,for the opportunity to gain market access.
Love the propogandists all over the place
How do you know? The chinese would let vw back in the 80s operate in china only in cooperation with a chinese state owned companies. Thats UNFAIR AS FUCK
@@eden5260 forced? Nobody forced them. They willingly went and made money hand over fist. Westerners cope so hard
@@eden5260"Forced" I mean, no one "forced" you to sell in China, however China is such a gigantic market that you can't ignore it. So as they wisely had taken advantage of it.
All the western car brands have made a lot of money selling and making cars in China. It's more like their own fault for expanding the political correctness to the economy, western brands were happily making and selling in China and China was happily buying and learning from European brands 😊
@@Oxidofeo oh yeah they were not forced I forgot that part thanks. Just like the Chinese aren't forced to sell in Europe or USA. So what are we crying about exactly ?
Stay in China or pay high tax/customs fee (still lower than the ones China took and still taking off of imports)
Is this true, and how this price???????
Bro why can’t they sell cars with this many features for similar prices in the US
It would not be possible to get a chinese passat in europe?
Such an amazing car!!! VW should have wins with it. It should sell very well. No reason not to, tight?
Price comparisons between now and the farther past suggest how ugly VW’s behavior really was, as they abused the market without competition. Chinese people should boycott VW entirely for that.
Agreed. China used to get all the sh*t watered down models like the Jetta and the Santana. Terrible cars. VW is on its way out. Give them five years and they'll likely exit the Chinese market.
The fact that newer models of passat arent released in RSA am pissed.
for €20k you'll get a VW Polo base line!
Proves competition brings down prices dramatically! Thanks to the Chinese cars & EV!
What’s the import tax if I import it from china to Europe?
0:30min but I as a German love saloon cars too
why you said in video 24 but the name of the video is 20
pff at this point i buy in china and drive all the way from asia to europe and would still pay less and even have a massage
in my country a golf starts at 36k$, a Passat for 20k is insane
It is interesting how they're not using 1.5L plugin hybrid (mainly because in mega cities pure ICE cars are much harder to register and this is high volume car)
Nah, it is just because chinese market is not a fan of small engine with hybrid (considering the maintenance cost later) and also EA888 engine, it is just everywhere here in china...
@@haozhengyuan618 Plug in hybrids are outselling EVs in China, BYD's plugin-hybrid is 1.5L petrol setup.
In America that would cost 50k plus dealer mark up
I cannot imagine where the sedan would be at if it weren't for Asia (or Korea, but that's a small market). East Asia is really the last place where sedans thrive. It used to be the US, but we unfortunately traded it for lifted hatchbacks that pretend to be off-roady and are worse in every other way.
VW is so desperate now. It shows that you really only got a POS $20k car for $40k for the longest time. Now that their competition is creeping up on their ass, they are in panic mode with discounts and still no one wants them.
a good example shows that competition in a real free market is quite good for consumers.
Are costs so much higher in Europe vs China to have the car 2-3x more expensive?
Wages are 20 times higher in Europe…
20K, and they are making money on that price ? How ?
such a sad development to see that german car manufacturers are focusing their sale in the asian region.
yeah and ripping us off in europe for at least 40k wtf!!!
Meanwhile a base model is 40k 😂
有网友惊叹车价很低, 是因为国情不同. 中国地租便宜, 工会毫无作用, 蓝领工人工作时间长收入低, 每月只能休息2~4天, 物料成本低, 物流成本低.
用上海人均收入买一辆帕萨特算是非常便宜实惠的车. 但是中国中西部地区很多地方收入都很低, 帕萨特依然算是豪华车消费, 往往一个家庭攒几年钱才能买一辆视频中帕萨特.
Chinese have much better cars nowadays.
Read the room VW!
I wish we had the the saloon in Germany
how the fuck are you supposed to park that and use it in the city, especially in apartment buildings, when it's longer than the conventional parking spot
Can this be imported to UK?
How to import one?
Being ripped in Ireland and the EU
That car feels old-fashioned in comparison to the Chinese state of the cars EVs... 😂😅😂😅
State of the art? About which art you are talking about? Ahhh coyping tesla model3 interior with big central display in the middle? Or are we talking about unefficient chines evs? The new vw drivetrain is one of the most efficient on the market. The germans still building cars not toys
@@oxidalpha6350 jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaja jajajajajajajajajajajajaja, ja!
Indeed it looks awful
@@manuelbarreto7032 as expected. Talking without any facts.
It uses engine technology, which is worse than electric but this car is pretty good overall. Its over 40 000 euro in Europe and people are happily buying it. The Chinise price is very good
THE US:cheap good? Overcapacity！
In 2020 there was a Passat version in Europe that was like 18k euros. Diesel 105hp not full options but enough
It looks a lot better than the EU-Version in my opinion
It looks cheap, more like Jetta.
Passat are Uber cars on China
Is it a liftback or a regular sedan
No wonder VW is going down in Europe…
If they will keep asking what they asking for their cars they will go down for sure.
Does it come in a manual ?
No, same as european passat b9, superb 4. gen, new tiguan and kodiaq 2.gen
这下中国良心众了🤣
This car is dinosaur
Spot on, like VW itself, a dinosaur on its last legs.
@vgstb on one hand the West bash the hell out of China because they know China will wipe the floor with them (hence the tariffs etc) then simultaneously design cars specifically for the Chinese market because they know its THE biggest car market in the world as a last cry for help. It's inevitable that these western rip off car manufacturers are free falling, and it's about time. The average Chinese citizen now has access to some of the most luxurious and technological advanced vehicles at a price most people on the planet don't.
By far the ugliest and most boring Passat ever. Ugliest wheels i've ever seen.
You dont mention that you have to live in Chinas big cities, to be able to buy such car. And living in a big city in China means that the price for a license plate for a combustion engine car can rank up the price above the level of European prices. So unless you are lucky you can keep your 20k€ VW in the garage or at the parking lot or pay an incredible price for a registration. And to all the Germans complaining about higher prices. You have a minimum wage of approx. 2500€ per month. So manufacturing a car in Germany will always be more expensive in comparison to China, where minimum wage is 370€ per month in Shanghai, which is the highest among all provinces. And I know that B9 Passat is made in Slovakia where minimum wage is less than 1000€ per month, I just want to point out that if you want cheap cars, let them be manufactured in China, maybe even developed in China and you will have nowhere to work because half of your economy is based on cars. And my opinion why the Chinese Passat is so cheap is, that they didnt have to do nearly any development, thus lower prices as well. They took at least 90% of the European developed Passat.
Well, the station wagon is just more versatile, hauling even the biggest IKEA college-kid-apartment shopping spree with ease.
Unless put in relation to economic stats like per capita/household income etc., converting Chinese domestic market prices _one-for-one_ to Euro is moot, even misleading. In the same sense, cars from Chinese brands are obviously not sold at directly converted prices in the European market.
It's like comparing a horse and kart to the types of advanced vehicles China have 😂 Why would you even buy that when you can get a full self driving, safer, better looking, electric - battery, swapable vehicle for the same money?
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但是缺少感情。
人家以前吃英文媒体这碗饭的。你让他用AI生成英文配音？这是打up主的脸呀🤣
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