This dude could be one of the top 5 people making informative videos. He is clear, easy to follow, to the point. He gets "in and out" without wasting your time. With 60,000 years of RUclips videos online, every minute counts. You, Sir, are one of the best!
I'll keep on trucking with bike's 40mm Mikuni carb, no electronic sensors to go bad, and leave me stranded on the road. No carb failure yet, in over 91,000 + miles of great, smooth, highway riding. I can always work on the carb on the side of the road, in a pinch, not so, with fuel injection problems.Thanks for the video.
My suzuki 110cc carburetor type old motorcyle still at work and i still used it 12hours a day :) i clean it overhaul it myself very convenient and never been failed for many years
What a lot of people aren’t mentioning is that you usually have to turn the gas valve to off and run it until it dies when storing your bike for the winter or long periods of time or YES you will have problems no matter what. My uncle has a carbureted 4 wheeler from 1998 and I have never seen my uncle work on the carbs. He said the trick is to never let it sit with gas in it and change the oil if you know it’s been sitting a long time and you will never have a problem out of an old carb engine. You can also tweak your fuel air mixtures pretty easily on carb bike as well giving you more power for next to nothing cost wise. With a fuel injection engine you have to hope you have an unlocked ecu or you are gunna be spending a few hundred just to get a new one to fit or to unlock it then a few hundred to tune it properly.
Well the "tweaking the fuel air mixture for next to nothing" is basically true, but it's leaving out a significant part of the bigger picture: "I just put a larger jet into it and it ran great" rarely happens in a vacuum, especially if you haven't been playing around with carbs for some time already. Long story short: It'll need a lot of prior experience plus some tools and parts, or someone who has already acquired that experience and those tools, to get a carbed bike that isn't running great to finally do so. Either you're lucky in that a relative or friend introduces you to the procedure and they already own an ultrasonic cleaner, sync guages etc., so you'll just pay for new jets and gaskets etc., or you'll pay a professional, or pay the usual DIY trial-and-error fee of slight mistakes, misdiagnosed parts leading to unnecessary purchases, tearing apart unicorn-sized gaskets, and constantly doubting yourself as you're flying blind. On the other hand, a modern stock EFI bike will self-adjust within a certain window (such as going from the coast to an alpine pass, installing a low-resistance air filter or slip-on exhaust etc.) without you needing to do anything, it'll just run quite alright. And with a $400-500 power-commander or similar system on a modern bike with a wideband O2 sensor, you can basically just leave the ECU to autotune and get a decent mixture curve even with a full exhaust etc., let alone if you take it to the dyno and get a decent basemap done (which will cost way less with ECU than on a carb'd bike, as the bike won't have to be disassembled etc).
@@nomeansno2335 If all of the wiring connectors are getting corroded, then you're of course screwed and probably well-advised to invest a couple hundred eurodollars in a used wiring loom off a crashed example - but to be honest, that's not all that likely to happen on modern bikes, thanks to improvements in connectors, with rubber gaskets and epoxy-sealed rear-ends etc. doing a good job in my experience keeping moisture out - there certainly has been an improvement over the last decades (even though the new ones are often a pain to undo due to the tight fit and weird locking lashes holding them in place, and of course if you ever break one, they're a lot more advanced to reinstall to the wiring than the old style which you could basically do with nothing but needle-nosed pliers and a good reserve of swear words). Obviously, that very same "if all connectors failed..." scenario would also affect most if not all the carb + electronic ignition bikes of the 80s and 90s. Insignificant anecdotal evidence makes me think it doesn't: Of the four early-to-mid-90s carbed examples I owned (with little to none sealing connectors on any of them, pretty much everything done in old style rubber-free and open-rear connectors) there was only one with wiring corrosion issue - and that was due to a previous owner cutting into it, with the usual half-assedness you would expect. . Obviously, if you live in a very moist area such as a coast, that might be more of a problem and you might choose a carb based on that; I'm in relatively dry central europe with loads of mountains. Also anecdotal evidence: I bought all of these bikes with carb problems , fixed all of them eventually (even though it took a while on the old Yami FZR 600), and I don't particularly like doing so, therefore I prefer EFI nowadays.
its more realistic if he includes a graphic video on how both carburetor and injection working... but now, its just a pretty 8 body shape girl just naked but dont make a strip tease.... 😣😖💔
This guy is the real winner !!! No bull shit before the video or bunch of nonsense , straight to the point he went !! The way he explained was top notch too!
Call me a Neanderthal but got back into riding last year and walking into the garage having the faint smell of oil and fuel takes me back. Tweaking the carbs, a little wrenching is part of my joy. Great video as always!
Oh yeah. Working on mechanical stuff is a different joy from riding bikes. From just sheer curiosity to just taking your mind off things, it's great. In my opinion, being connected to your bike through knowing its parts and being sensitive to its grunt and performance is a good thing to have when riding a motorcycle. It's something that people just have these days, especially with cars that the only taking care of from its owners is not crashing it. Some people don't even pay for their own gas...
Just thinking about that. Wondering when ignition modules started in production and if point system would be affected? Old school diesel probably only way to go.
Not necessarily if you shutdown the bike or car for that matter and kill all power supply theoretically nothing should fry as there's no current going through it then it should be fine afterwards but that's just speculation not proven
@@reaperasylum2163 Everything gets fried, even if it's powered off. The EMP is an electro magnetic pulse that creates high current on electronic components, frying circuit boards and other sensative components. This is why IT personal wears anti static wrist bands to prevent giving a shock to PC hardware. The PC is obviouslt turned off. If you put the object in a Faraday's Cage, then nothing will happen.
There's been testing using large laboratory electromagnetic field generators on modern cars and could find little to no damage on several models of fuel injected vehicles with field strengths expected by a nuclear detonation. Cars have a big metal Faraday cage that is the frame that protects most components, may not true for bikes which have less metal encasing electrical parts.
Own two 20 year old motorcycles, both are carbed. European tours and trackdays whilst riding all year round and they've never been a problem. Having the right set up is vital, often people just shove jet kits and alter the fuel/air ratio to gain performance but causes the starting and running issues. Fuel injection is there for a reason so there's no denying its advances but carbs still offer great, smooth riding if they are set up correctly
I've ridden EFI bikes and both of the bikes I've owned are carburated. I'm used to the whole choke and cold start ordeal and it doesn't bother me, plus I can work on them with reletive ease virtually anywhere as long as I have my tool kit, and they have a distinct feel to them that injected bikes don't. If you want simple tech and like working on your own bike - get a carb, if not - EFI all the way.
I really have to disagree. Touring, you are going through many different environments including sea level, temps and humidity, all playing a part in how your bike will run. If EFI wasn't as reliable as it is I would agree for ease of fixing but you will likely never have an issue. To each their own, they both have their place.
@@bbqBaconNinja If I've learned anything from riding older bikes, is that anything that can break will break at some point. Electronics will fail, mechanical parts will wear out, paint will fade. The simpler the bike, the easier it is to keep running in the long run, because when things go bad (and they do go bad) - it'll be a lot harder, and more expensive to maintain a bike with a lot of sophisticated electronics than a simple one. Modern tech is designed with planned obsolescence, and people rarely keep a bike for longer than a few years because of the consumerism culture that is prevalent in the western world, so if you're like me and just like to get one bike and ride it forever, repair it and continue riding it - you're better off with a simpler bike.
I barely notice a difference between carburated and injected. The only difference is that injected always starts within a second and runs a bit smoother
Ny Chan, you, sir, are absolutely right. A nicely tuned mikuni is a very nice thing to have on your vehicle, it has got power as well as economy. My 80 cc motorcycle had a Japanese mikuni and it did not give me any trouble till I sole the motorcycle. I used it for around 70k kilometers.
I had carborated bikes for since the 1980s," never "had any real problems, (because I would Listen to the older riders who did most repairs them self, as for fuel consumption you ride your bike like a rider not an idiot, the difference in fuel consumption compared to E.F.I -is miniscule ( clutch in and just gently roll up to a red stop light, move away on a green light carefully. If you know what your doing with a carboretor the maintenance is few and very far between, you also have to do basic maintenance on a motorcycle, and also getting on the web doesn't always make you an expert With experience, I wouldn't ride an EFI motorcycle out to remote places knowing that it needs a f#cking calculator to do its job.
I have a vintage triumph carb bike and a 2014 efi bike, the efi is true enough very reliable but to slow down the tic over on the vintage and hear that beautiful sound is just magic!
Really love MC Garage Comparison videos of bike components more than the bike itself. You got something going on here. All the best and waiting for more comparisons.
Fuel injection is my first criteria when shopping for an everyday motorcycle these days. My XT660Z Tenere fires up right away, even in the coldest Norwegian winter.
Carbs are a bit of a pain, but I unno, there's just something satisfying about having a simple chunk of metal that just works. I haven't ever really needed to clean mine or anything...
I have one bike with fuel injection and another bike with CV carbs . I've experienced no real problems or hardships with either. I prefer the fluid feel of the carb'd bike better, especially during midcorner throttle modulation. CV carbs provide a genuine, ethereal connection which can't be replicated by digital code.
Lass 2 things. 1 A carbureted bike has no “rev limiter”. You just reach the physical limits of the motor and it gets ugly. 2 why does that matter? You shouldn’t want to bounce the rev limiter anyway. Mechanics grin and smile when Idiots stand on the rev limiter because all they’re doing is blowing it up. A carbed bike doesn’t have a 2 step or launch control of any kind. So. There that
Thomas Marchese why do you think carbed bikes have no rev limiter? I was almost sure you were wrong so I googled and yes they still have rev limiters they just cut the spark when you reach the limit.
Not defending carbs here but my 11 years old bike runs perfectly fine and never had fuel/carb related problems. Though I did have 1000s of many other problems on account of it being old 😂 😂
I've got a 1999 R1 as it runs ace, always starts and still rips my face off when you pull the throttle back. Toured 2000 miles around Europe with no issues, carbs are still great
i have both a 14, and 18 year old bike.. to be fair, the 18 year old is a cafe racer build running a brand new carb, with ported heads. and the 14 year old is running standard, no problems so far, and even so, i know what to do. but i guess when it comes to climate change and altitude, which doesn't really matter here in my country, i guess everyone is happy. but i do love to save some fuel..
Just be willing to do the maintenance Tongga and you'll be fine. Keeping a carb clean doesn't take that much time, and it's a small task that brings out the mechanic is us.
I don't mind FI on my road bike- I can always get the automobile association mechanic to come out and look at it, and if necessary (had it happen once due to FI), tow it home on a truck. On my dual sport, I head out camping and I'm often a long way from town and even phone reception. That's when I like a carby. It's not efficient, but at least I can get the bike running enough to limp back to town.
Telosian Ross 128 b it's not a toy but a tool which I use daily and have put 90k kms on it, and hoon it around every turn 😋. So yeah I think a 90k km bike would be considered old...... Otherwise whatever you think..... 😎
@@ArbaazPatwari I've had a carb fail on me in the middle of nowhere. Called up our equivalent of the AAA, nothing to hook a scangauge up to, so time to do old fashioned diagnostics. After a while we came to the conclusion that it must be the carb that messed up. Turns out the diaphragm had a tear in it. Of course AAA guy doesn't have one with him, so he called up the depot. Nope, no diaphragm there either. Put the bike back on the flatbed truck and have it towed home, call the dealer on monday, wait until thursday for a new diaphragm and spend half the day messing about with it to get it all set up properly again. But hey, at least it wasn't something electronic with self-diagnostic capabilities that left me stranded. How inconvenient would it have been if that carb was a generic bosch injector that got fouled... The AAA guy would have actually carried a spare and could have replaced it on the roadside.
I think ur just too naive. U can just use a tablet or phone to work with it tho. And there's a reason it's called programmable fuel injection. Just change the ECU and u have no fuel cut-off and rev limiter and u can install a wireless fuel cut-off security system and control it with ur phone
Carburetors have one big advantage: It's easy to adjust them and it's free or a few dollars for jets. Computerized injection could work perfectly fine but with strict emission standards engines are optimized to use little fuel and are not so much optimized to run as smooth as possible. My new bike's engine runs rough between 2-4k RPM with little load (driving in slow traffic). With a carburetor that would be easy to solve. With fuel injection the garage can't do anything with the existing parts. To change anything additional computerized electronic would be necessary - for hundreds of dollars...
that being said all my bikes have carbs , and there great ! (when there working properly lol) ive had to strip carbs so many times in the last few moths heheh torn diaphragms , gummed up jets , and very hard to trace vacuum hose problems , all good now , if i had to pay someone to do the work it would have cost a LOT,
Carburetors for super easy fix if they break fuel injection can be very costly to fix if it breaks had an xr100 and never had to touch the carburetor on it ran great all the time.
I have a 24 year old bike with 4 hard to access carbs so I know it's going to be a pain down the line but I still love her to bits, even when it has trouble starting sometimes.
Fuel injection is the ideal, but so far no problems with my carbies, currently at 110,000km on the odo of my 1991 Honda cbr250rr. Ridden daily though which prob makes all the difference. Also I believe the mechs cleaned them at 50K service. I've done 80,000 of those k's since I bought the bike about 7 years ago.
EFI>carbs. Better fuel economy, no weird issues with big elevation changes, no seasonal tuning, better cold starts. ECU can accommodate changes to a degree, then a self tuning module can correct better than 95% of people can tune carbs.
@Viscous Shear EFI doesn't tend to clog up half way down a trail either. Biggest thing I've seen with it is people running the tank low too often and overheating a pump. But they tend to be the people who run any bike until it throws a rod or locks up from bad maintenance. I've dealt with bike that have 1-4 carbs, long rides, short rides and everything in between and there is a reason my 78 yamaha has EFI swapped on.
Personal preference is the only legit answer. Tbh. They’re equal in opposite ways. I had a carb on a sportster. 2 years not one issue. Starts acting up. I pull float bowl. Extra jet. No the main didn’t fall out. I had one in my hand and all others accounted for. To this day I have no answer as to who how when where or anything else. All I know is it was before me lmao. I like both for opposite reasons.
Good to know , well thanks for the video and you've answered my questions , here's what I like with carburated motorcycle in case that your throttle cables broke or snap you can just simply adjust the fuel jet so without using the throttle the motorcycle will move but not too fast just like (15kph - 20kph) , unlike fuel injected that you cannot make any adjustment because it's already fixed. Well I'm not sure with Fuel injected if you can also adjust the fuel jet so in case of emergency you can still take a ride and get home safe ...
"If your bike has carburetors you WILL end up working on them." That's a load of crap, if you take good care of your bike the carbs may never need service.
@@republicansareoffendedeasi821 I was doing different mods to it every week... did air box mod n had to rejet it, got a pipe n had to rejet it, then did the cam mod had to rejet it, another airbox mod n had to rejet it. After doing all that and getting it jetted right I never had to change it again
what do you call taking good care of your bike ? the only way to avoid your jets getting clogged, is to twist that throttle to redline, ride the hell out of her at least once a day and you'll have brand new carbs
@@blackmesa27 Avoid alcohol blended fuel, and burn at least a tank of fuel per year. Ideally you should add some fuel stabilizer before you park it. Pretty basic shit.
When I was the final year of secondary school my exam for finishing the school(one of them) was the carburator. I know it perfectly! And it will always be my option no 1.
Check the library! That's one of the very first vids we did at MC Garage, so you'll have to scroll waaaaaay down. Or just Google "replace grips MC Garage."
@@someguy5035 it's just simple maintenance but, se i got an 8 yr old carb bike that ive been using for deliveries for 3 years now and it never gave me problems only those broken drive chains or flat tires, as far as my experience goes, if you run on optimal A/F and some twice a year carb cleaning you wont have problems..
The Delortos on my 78 Guzzi, the Bings on the 81 Beemer and the single Mikuni on my Norton continue to work fine. I had to replace the rubber diaphragms in the Bings several years ago.
No recip aircraft have direct fuel injection as of yet, and only a very few have electrical fuel metering. The vast majority are carbs and mags, which I believe says something...
I loved learning and working on my CV Carb. Fascinating stuff. The mechanical nature and simplicity makes me feel more connected to my bike. And you cant get that sound with fuel injection!
EFI while being more efficient has a few added drawbacks in my experience. Biggest is the management components needed with EFI . They add complexity which adds expensive diagnostics and repair costs vs Carburetor's . Also the claim that EFI is more reliable isn't actually true. EFI throttle bodies are simpler then carburetor's but again they add complexity and vulnerability due to needed sensors and other electronic components and wiring. Nothing worse then getting stranded because heat and vibration caused a electronic part to fail . Carbs while less effecient at metering fuel/air mixture are by far less complicated and as such more reliable when making wheels turn when it matters most. Complexity doesn't lend itself to reliability in reality !
gorilla cookies. Boy are you ever right about fuel injection being more reliable. You are one of the few that know that complexity of fool infection makes it tougher to keep running. I have ridden Carbureted bikes for 55 years and have never been stranded by a carb. problem. In fact I have been stranded by fool infected cars far more than by my collector cars. Right now I have a 2003 Dodge Caravan that hasn't started for two weeks simply because that so called Innova tester that is supposed to tell you "exactly what is wrong" doesn't EVER tell what is wrong. I see by most of the other replies that most fool infection lovers are entirely too stupid to understand the value of simple carb. and ignition systems MORE then make up for their slight less reliability. Fool infection lovers don't even bring extra sensors thinking, like idiots, that their scooters will never quit. Profound ignorance. Good luck to you.
If you take care of your bike and clean your carbs every now and then, they'll never leave you stranded. And when a carb does fail, it costs next to nothing to get it running again.
Pretty concise explanation. I prefer fuel injection. Like he said,the computer regulates the fuel,whether in hot or cold temperatures. It really is the best. Carburetors sometimes cause too much fuel to be used and the engine sputters,or you have to choke it until it starts and runs good.
For cars, yes, FI all day.. but on a bike, short of a race bike.. where its a physical experience, carbs win for me. The throaty sound of the engine and the analog response are pure climax.. not to mention reliability. But I am biased, I want and ride a bike that connects me to the machine as much as possible, no fancy electronics for me, pure, minimalist riding, conmected directly to the machine and thr road.
The 2 distinct advantages of efi over carb are volumetric efficiency and thermal efficiency. These advantages can however be negated if the computer is not kept "in tune".
I had a bad charging system on my bike.200 miles from home.indisabled all lights etc.and with a full charge i made it home.if i had fuel injection i would have been stranded for sure.alk components draw electricity..lol.my fuel pump is vacuum.and gravity.most piston aircraft is old school.for safety purpose..il keep my carburator.thanks
For people that consider working on their bike as part of the experience and older Bike with a Carb is the way to go, there are so many older bikes out there going cheap, you can have 2 or 3 or 20 for the price of a new bike. An older used bike can go for well under a thousand dollars, and your on your way. The great thing very easy to work on.
If the throttle body or say the mouth of the carburettor matches the existing setup then yes. Many Royal Enfield Classic 500 owners have converted their existing efi to carburettor setup , here in India.
If you find a way to nullify the ECU on an EFI engune you can run a carb and if you find a way configure the sensor array for a EFI engine on a carburated one, you can run EFI on it
I don't know why I watched this as I am fairly conversant with how they work. I don't know if it's been pointed out but at 53 seconds the carb was back to front. It is exactly analogue vs digital, another way of thinking of it is a carb works from feedback from the engine, and EFI is feed forward from the ECU. Other than that this is bang on.
Hi guys, thanks for the great content and awesome tips. I wanted to ask if you could do a piece on liquid cooled vs. air/oil cooled motorcycle engines and overheating issues especially in areas with hot climate. Thanks!!
Gravity never fails, fuel pumps do. I can rebuild the carb on the side of the road if needed, which is rare, can't diagnose a failed sensor and carry a replacement for my EFI on the side of the road. Electronics are great when they are new, time and mileage will tell in the long run. I had a BMW GS 650 rental one time, was hard to start cold and stalled a lot, not much I could do with it, my DR 650 did a similar thing once, pulled the carb off, cleaned the jets, little bit of dirt, 30 minutes later off I went, good as gold.
You are just about the only one that knows the value of being able to fix your carbureted bike. The others are too damn stupid and just keep ranting about how fuel injection "never breaks". Utter rubbish. Fuel injection DOES quit and is terrible to fix. Only profoundly stupid people disagree with that.
I don't see the value of it... Simply because shit always breaks. Shit that breaks needs replacement parts.. and since MOST carb bikes started leaving the market around 2004 or so... You're ebaying parts for most of those bikes. In another 4-5 yrs... being able to repair a Carb will be the lowest priority on your list. So for me it depends HIGHLY on how old the bike is, how well it sold to the public, and when was the last model or update made...
Repairabilty will never be a low priority. On a Harley carburetor without any variable venturi there is very little need for parts for it. Only a rare cleaning and by rare I mean I only cleaned the accerator pump once in 38 years on my Superglide. I have found way too many check engine lights on my cars telling me of more hard to diagnose problems. Damned if I'm stupid enough to want that damn fuel injection junk on my cycles too.
bottmar1 wasn’t really talking about the carb in itself... I was talking about the bike as a whole... Keeping a bike for repairability becomes void if parts for the rest of the bike becomes a bitch to get
I don't know what bikes you guys are riding but these indirect fuel injection systems are extremely reliable nowadays. No you probably can't fix your bike on the side of the road if something goes wrong with the EFI system like you would with a carb, but then again you're less likely to end up on the side of the road in the first place.
EFI as I ride in ALL weathers and always starts good. Had a carb bike before made in 2000 and trust me when dirt got on the fuel was a right pain to fix with all those hoses, fuel petcok, carb cleaning, cleaning out fuel tank, etc. Only find when I am stopping down steep hills in slow slow traffic the revs can go higher or lower. Hopefully the rev adjust, air and fuel checks did yesterday helped. No sign of an issue this morning with little traffic.
Please do a video on a list of ALL maintenance / checks that need to be done when working on a bike. Not an in depth on each, but a comprehensive list, would have gone a long way when I started restoring bikes and would probably get more than a few hits. A link can then be made on said video to your other in depth videos :) EG: Oil, filter and plugs. Chain lube / shaft drive oil changes. Cam chain tensioner and cam chain checks. Ignition and cam timing Fork / shock checks and changes. Brake pads, disks and bleeding. Checking your magneto, rectifier etc for impedance. Of course tire condition and pressure.
I think one of best things about owning an older bike or car is being able to work on it yourself. Also parts like carbs, pumps etc can be stripped down and repaired unlike new stuff which is just chuck away.
for me, carbs: inexpensive,reliable,easy to maintain, but slightly less economical. whereas injector:economical but dam expensive, not reliable, cannot maintain,
I like fuel injection. Up here in the Northeast it helps cold starting immensely for winter riding. Also there are not any fuel evaporation issues during storage that can gum up a carb.
My 2007 vtx1300r is carb,(2plugs per cyl.),4 valves,per cly♡.,I use fuel stabilizer now & then ,but if you break a throttle cable (,carb) will get you home just by pulling out the choke,been there.(no fuel pump ,no electricity,,. Fuel injection will have you calling Roadside Assistance!☆
One of my carbed bikes has stranded me THREE times due to fueling problems. One was due to improper fuel line routing(kinked), two others were from separate fuel pump failures.
@@GraveDigger388 Not directly, I agree, but a fuel injected bike does not need to be tinkered with and constantly taken apart to get running right. Plus they usually have stiffer hoses/metal lines and a high pressure fuel pump which will prevent/overcome bad line routing. Don't get me wrong, I love tinkering and working on stuff, but I HATE fuel system tinkering.
Living in Pennsylvania EFI takes away the stress of going to the track early spring or in the fall and the bike not wanting to start because it’s too bitter in the morning having said that when it would start it ran like a dream
This dude could be one of the top 5 people making informative videos. He is clear, easy to follow, to the point. He gets "in and out" without wasting your time. With 60,000 years of RUclips videos online, every minute counts. You, Sir, are one of the best!
I'll keep on trucking with bike's 40mm Mikuni carb, no electronic sensors to go bad, and leave me stranded on the road. No carb failure yet, in over 91,000 + miles of great, smooth, highway riding. I can always work on the carb on the side of the road, in a pinch, not so, with fuel injection problems.Thanks for the video.
My suzuki 110cc carburetor type old motorcyle still at work and i still used it 12hours a day :) i clean it overhaul it myself very convenient and never been failed for many years
What a lot of people aren’t mentioning is that you usually have to turn the gas valve to off and run it until it dies when storing your bike for the winter or long periods of time or YES you will have problems no matter what. My uncle has a carbureted 4 wheeler from 1998 and I have never seen my uncle work on the carbs. He said the trick is to never let it sit with gas in it and change the oil if you know it’s been sitting a long time and you will never have a problem out of an old carb engine. You can also tweak your fuel air mixtures pretty easily on carb bike as well giving you more power for next to nothing cost wise. With a fuel injection engine you have to hope you have an unlocked ecu or you are gunna be spending a few hundred just to get a new one to fit or to unlock it then a few hundred to tune it properly.
I had a ty 350 Yamaha stuck in a shed for 2. 1/2 years. Dragged it out one day and in 2 kicks it started, old gas and all.
Fuel stabilizer for what's left in the tank (hopefully full) also a to do.
Well the "tweaking the fuel air mixture for next to nothing" is basically true, but it's leaving out a significant part of the bigger picture:
"I just put a larger jet into it and it ran great" rarely happens in a vacuum, especially if you haven't been playing around with carbs for some time already. Long story short: It'll need a lot of prior experience plus some tools and parts, or someone who has already acquired that experience and those tools, to get a carbed bike that isn't running great to finally do so. Either you're lucky in that a relative or friend introduces you to the procedure and they already own an ultrasonic cleaner, sync guages etc., so you'll just pay for new jets and gaskets etc., or you'll pay a professional, or pay the usual DIY trial-and-error fee of slight mistakes, misdiagnosed parts leading to unnecessary purchases, tearing apart unicorn-sized gaskets, and constantly doubting yourself as you're flying blind.
On the other hand, a modern stock EFI bike will self-adjust within a certain window (such as going from the coast to an alpine pass, installing a low-resistance air filter or slip-on exhaust etc.) without you needing to do anything, it'll just run quite alright. And with a $400-500 power-commander or similar system on a modern bike with a wideband O2 sensor, you can basically just leave the ECU to autotune and get a decent mixture curve even with a full exhaust etc., let alone if you take it to the dyno and get a decent basemap done (which will cost way less with ECU than on a carb'd bike, as the bike won't have to be disassembled etc).
@@decnet100 Once the bike is a few years old and all of those cable connectors are getting corroded I wish you good luck with your ECU.
@@nomeansno2335 If all of the wiring connectors are getting corroded, then you're of course screwed and probably well-advised to invest a couple hundred eurodollars in a used wiring loom off a crashed example - but to be honest, that's not all that likely to happen on modern bikes, thanks to improvements in connectors, with rubber gaskets and epoxy-sealed rear-ends etc. doing a good job in my experience keeping moisture out - there certainly has been an improvement over the last decades (even though the new ones are often a pain to undo due to the tight fit and weird locking lashes holding them in place, and of course if you ever break one, they're a lot more advanced to reinstall to the wiring than the old style which you could basically do with nothing but needle-nosed pliers and a good reserve of swear words).
Obviously, that very same "if all connectors failed..." scenario would also affect most if not all the carb + electronic ignition bikes of the 80s and 90s. Insignificant anecdotal evidence makes me think it doesn't: Of the four early-to-mid-90s carbed examples I owned (with little to none sealing connectors on any of them, pretty much everything done in old style rubber-free and open-rear connectors) there was only one with wiring corrosion issue - and that was due to a previous owner cutting into it, with the usual half-assedness you would expect. . Obviously, if you live in a very moist area such as a coast, that might be more of a problem and you might choose a carb based on that; I'm in relatively dry central europe with loads of mountains. Also anecdotal evidence: I bought all of these bikes with carb problems , fixed all of them eventually (even though it took a while on the old Yami FZR 600), and I don't particularly like doing so, therefore I prefer EFI nowadays.
Finally a video about carb/fuel injection without that ”blaablaa” or getting too technical. Straight to the facts, great video as always!
yeah really enjoyed it
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Exactly!
Torille
its more realistic if he includes a graphic video on how both carburetor and injection working... but now, its just a pretty 8 body shape girl just naked but dont make a strip tease.... 😣😖💔
This guy is the real winner !!! No bull shit before the video or bunch of nonsense , straight to the point he went !! The way he explained was top notch too!
Call me a Neanderthal but got back into riding last year and walking into the garage having the faint smell of oil and fuel takes me back. Tweaking the carbs, a little wrenching is part of my joy. Great video as always!
I'd rather smell Hoppe's #9. But I understand.
I concur, there's nothing better than walking into your garage, smelling the fuel and oil. Especially 2-stroke.
Maybe you would like to have a joyous occasion tuning my xj6.
Oh yeah. Working on mechanical stuff is a different joy from riding bikes. From just sheer curiosity to just taking your mind off things, it's great. In my opinion, being connected to your bike through knowing its parts and being sensitive to its grunt and performance is a good thing to have when riding a motorcycle. It's something that people just have these days, especially with cars that the only taking care of from its owners is not crashing it. Some people don't even pay for their own gas...
@@exothermal.sprocket Man, that Hoppe's oil leaves its smell on EVERYTHING lol
Carb bikes win if you need to ride after an EMP bomb has gone off the area...
Just thinking about that. Wondering when ignition modules started in production and if point system would be affected? Old school diesel probably only way to go.
... right, because Carb bikes don't need ANY electricity.
(Btw: EMP's fries circuitboards, so your carb regulated bike's ignition map is fried aswell)
Not necessarily if you shutdown the bike or car for that matter and kill all power supply theoretically nothing should fry as there's no current going through it then it should be fine afterwards but that's just speculation not proven
@@reaperasylum2163 Everything gets fried, even if it's powered off. The EMP is an electro magnetic pulse that creates high current on electronic components, frying circuit boards and other sensative components.
This is why IT personal wears anti static wrist bands to prevent giving a shock to PC hardware. The PC is obviouslt turned off.
If you put the object in a Faraday's Cage, then nothing will happen.
There's been testing using large laboratory electromagnetic field generators on modern cars and could find little to no damage on several models of fuel injected vehicles with field strengths expected by a nuclear detonation. Cars have a big metal Faraday cage that is the frame that protects most components, may not true for bikes which have less metal encasing electrical parts.
Own two 20 year old motorcycles, both are carbed. European tours and trackdays whilst riding all year round and they've never been a problem. Having the right set up is vital, often people just shove jet kits and alter the fuel/air ratio to gain performance but causes the starting and running issues. Fuel injection is there for a reason so there's no denying its advances but carbs still offer great, smooth riding if they are set up correctly
Pretty simple cool explanation of how they work !! But as a motorcycle mechanic i can tell u that fuel injected is a gift from the gods!!!
I've ridden EFI bikes and both of the bikes I've owned are carburated. I'm used to the whole choke and cold start ordeal and it doesn't bother me, plus I can work on them with reletive ease virtually anywhere as long as I have my tool kit, and they have a distinct feel to them that injected bikes don't.
If you want simple tech and like working on your own bike - get a carb, if not - EFI all the way.
Travis Donald Stanley Exactly! EFI for normal usage and carb for touring.
Yeah that EFI snatch is annoying on larger bikes and downright dangerous on smaller ones.
I really have to disagree. Touring, you are going through many different environments including sea level, temps and humidity, all playing a part in how your bike will run. If EFI wasn't as reliable as it is I would agree for ease of fixing but you will likely never have an issue.
To each their own, they both have their place.
@@bbqBaconNinja If I've learned anything from riding older bikes, is that anything that can break will break at some point. Electronics will fail, mechanical parts will wear out, paint will fade. The simpler the bike, the easier it is to keep running in the long run, because when things go bad (and they do go bad) - it'll be a lot harder, and more expensive to maintain a bike with a lot of sophisticated electronics than a simple one. Modern tech is designed with planned obsolescence, and people rarely keep a bike for longer than a few years because of the consumerism culture that is prevalent in the western world, so if you're like me and just like to get one bike and ride it forever, repair it and continue riding it - you're better off with a simpler bike.
I barely notice a difference between carburated and injected. The only difference is that injected always starts within a second and runs a bit smoother
How often do you ride to the moon . A nicely tuned mikuni carb has never let me down .
yes my good sir , i agree!
Ny Chan, you, sir, are absolutely right. A nicely tuned mikuni is a very nice thing to have on your vehicle, it has got power as well as economy. My 80 cc motorcycle had a Japanese mikuni and it did not give me any trouble till I sole the motorcycle. I used it for around 70k kilometers.
I have a vm22 and I'm having a bit of trouble
I had carborated bikes for since the 1980s," never "had any real problems, (because I would Listen to the older riders who did most repairs them self, as for fuel consumption you ride your bike like a rider not an idiot, the difference in fuel consumption compared to E.F.I -is miniscule ( clutch in and just gently roll up to a red stop light, move away on a green light carefully. If you know what your doing with a carboretor the maintenance is few and very far between, you also have to do basic maintenance on a motorcycle, and also getting on the web doesn't always make you an expert With experience, I wouldn't ride an EFI motorcycle out to remote places knowing that it needs a f#cking calculator to do its job.
@@biofall38 best of luck with your bike hope it all works out😎🤔
I'm giving you a like for that effect at 1:17
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Ironic it happened at 117 with your profile pic lmao
I have a vintage triumph carb bike and a 2014 efi bike, the efi is true enough very reliable but to slow down the tic over on the vintage and hear that beautiful sound is just magic!
It's why I love my KLR, carburated and easy to work on.
Really love MC Garage Comparison videos of bike components more than the bike itself. You got something going on here. All the best and waiting for more comparisons.
Fuel injection is my first criteria when shopping for an everyday motorcycle these days. My XT660Z Tenere fires up right away, even in the coldest Norwegian winter.
Greetings to Norway...
In Norway yeah. Here in Florida where jts warm and sea level? Dosent really matter much
This video came at an opportune time. I was just beggining my research about EFI and carburetors, and this video will help me alot. Thanks MC Garage.
Carbs are a bit of a pain, but I unno, there's just something satisfying about having a simple chunk of metal that just works. I haven't ever really needed to clean mine or anything...
Just clean it for good measure, you'll notice better throttle response and better gas milage if it needs some cleaning anyways
You must have not owned it long then :-P
Clean it!!! You often don't notice the power lose as it happens gradually. Might be surprised.
Yeah, what the hell, I'll give it a scrub down c:
best way to not have to clean it regularly : ride the hell out of her and rev her to redline 👌🏻
I have one bike with fuel injection and another bike with CV carbs . I've experienced no real problems or hardships with either. I prefer the fluid feel of the carb'd bike better, especially during midcorner throttle modulation. CV carbs provide a genuine, ethereal connection which can't be replicated by digital code.
Quality videos as always guys :) I share these with friends because of how nicely you break down the info, even non gear heads can understand
In my opinion engines with carbs sound better.
Yeahh u Are absolutly right....✌️
but rev limiter is not that good with carbs ....
Damm straight
Lass 2 things. 1 A carbureted bike has no “rev limiter”. You just reach the physical limits of the motor and it gets ugly. 2 why does that matter? You shouldn’t want to bounce the rev limiter anyway. Mechanics grin and smile when Idiots stand on the rev limiter because all they’re doing is blowing it up. A carbed bike doesn’t have a 2 step or launch control of any kind. So. There that
Thomas Marchese why do you think carbed bikes have no rev limiter? I was almost sure you were wrong so I googled and yes they still have rev limiters they just cut the spark when you reach the limit.
Not defending carbs here but my 11 years old bike runs perfectly fine and never had fuel/carb related problems. Though I did have 1000s of many other problems on account of it being old 😂 😂
I've got a 1999 R1 as it runs ace, always starts and still rips my face off when you pull the throttle back. Toured 2000 miles around Europe with no issues, carbs are still great
i have both a 14, and 18 year old bike.. to be fair, the 18 year old is a cafe racer build running a brand new carb, with ported heads.
and the 14 year old is running standard, no problems so far, and even so, i know what to do.
but i guess when it comes to climate change and altitude, which doesn't really matter here in my country, i guess everyone is happy.
but i do love to save some fuel..
Just be willing to do the maintenance Tongga and you'll be fine. Keeping a carb clean doesn't take that much time, and it's a small task that brings out the mechanic is us.
I don't mind FI on my road bike- I can always get the automobile association mechanic to come out and look at it, and if necessary (had it happen once due to FI), tow it home on a truck. On my dual sport, I head out camping and I'm often a long way from town and even phone reception. That's when I like a carby. It's not efficient, but at least I can get the bike running enough to limp back to town.
Telosian Ross 128 b it's not a toy but a tool which I use daily and have put 90k kms on it, and hoon it around every turn 😋. So yeah I think a 90k km bike would be considered old...... Otherwise whatever you think..... 😎
I’ll take carb. I can work on it without a computer. It’s all mechanical. No electronics to fail and leave you stranded.
@@ArbaazPatwari I've had a carb fail on me in the middle of nowhere. Called up our equivalent of the AAA, nothing to hook a scangauge up to, so time to do old fashioned diagnostics. After a while we came to the conclusion that it must be the carb that messed up. Turns out the diaphragm had a tear in it. Of course AAA guy doesn't have one with him, so he called up the depot. Nope, no diaphragm there either. Put the bike back on the flatbed truck and have it towed home, call the dealer on monday, wait until thursday for a new diaphragm and spend half the day messing about with it to get it all set up properly again.
But hey, at least it wasn't something electronic with self-diagnostic capabilities that left me stranded. How inconvenient would it have been if that carb was a generic bosch injector that got fouled... The AAA guy would have actually carried a spare and could have replaced it on the roadside.
I think ur just too naive. U can just use a tablet or phone to work with it tho. And there's a reason it's called programmable fuel injection. Just change the ECU and u have no fuel cut-off and rev limiter and u can install a wireless fuel cut-off security system and control it with ur phone
@@fermitupoupon1754 Turn the carb piston into mechanical, or just fix the hole with some glue
@@diogoelias4205 I did one better. Sold that bike and got an electric one instead.
A properly tuned carb works very well but fuel injection is the way to go.
untill a component failure on the road side happens --you cant fix it
I don't carry tools so if my carb breaks on the roadside I'm fucked anyway
@@brenohighland1168 Id rather not be stuck on the side of the road at all
Super informative and educational. Thank you.
Carburetors have one big advantage: It's easy to adjust them and it's free or a few dollars for jets. Computerized injection could work perfectly fine but with strict emission standards engines are optimized to use little fuel and are not so much optimized to run as smooth as possible. My new bike's engine runs rough between 2-4k RPM with little load (driving in slow traffic). With a carburetor that would be easy to solve. With fuel injection the garage can't do anything with the existing parts. To change anything additional computerized electronic would be necessary - for hundreds of dollars...
you know what , this is a rare thing , a bike channel with actual facts ,, well done , subscribed !
that being said all my bikes have carbs , and there great ! (when there working properly lol) ive had to strip carbs so many times in the last few moths heheh torn diaphragms , gummed up jets , and very hard to trace vacuum hose problems , all good now , if i had to pay someone to do the work it would have cost a LOT,
Carburetors for super easy fix if they break fuel injection can be very costly to fix if it breaks had an xr100 and never had to touch the carburetor on it ran great all the time.
I have a 24 year old bike with 4 hard to access carbs so I know it's going to be a pain down the line but I still love her to bits, even when it has trouble starting sometimes.
Fuel injection is the ideal, but so far no problems with my carbies, currently at 110,000km on the odo of my 1991 Honda cbr250rr. Ridden daily though which prob makes all the difference. Also I believe the mechs cleaned them at 50K service. I've done 80,000 of those k's since I bought the bike about 7 years ago.
You are lucky that your 250RR doesn't need a fuel pump. The older MC19 uses a fuel pump, and I'm currently dealing with pump reliability issues.
Welcome under the tropics where carbs JUST WORK! You see, we don't have temperature seasons; so no worries about cold starts during winter!
I'm in South Florida. I'm contemplating buying a 2009 Ninja 250R that has a carburetor engine. What do you think if it's good shape would you buy?
Carbs all the way! I don’t ride in cold whether.
EFI>carbs. Better fuel economy, no weird issues with big elevation changes, no seasonal tuning, better cold starts. ECU can accommodate changes to a degree, then a self tuning module can correct better than 95% of people can tune carbs.
@Viscous Shear EFI doesn't tend to clog up half way down a trail either. Biggest thing I've seen with it is people running the tank low too often and overheating a pump. But they tend to be the people who run any bike until it throws a rod or locks up from bad maintenance. I've dealt with bike that have 1-4 carbs, long rides, short rides and everything in between and there is a reason my 78 yamaha has EFI swapped on.
Personal preference is the only legit answer. Tbh. They’re equal in opposite ways. I had a carb on a sportster. 2 years not one issue. Starts acting up. I pull float bowl. Extra jet. No the main didn’t fall out. I had one in my hand and all others accounted for. To this day I have no answer as to who how when where or anything else. All I know is it was before me lmao. I like both for opposite reasons.
@@randombuilds8336 But its rare that a carb bike has a fuel pump and they would only clog if you don't have a fuel filter inline.
Good to know , well thanks for the video and you've answered my questions , here's what I like with carburated motorcycle in case that your throttle cables broke or snap you can just simply adjust the fuel jet so without using the throttle the motorcycle will move but not too fast just like (15kph - 20kph) , unlike fuel injected that you cannot make any adjustment because it's already fixed.
Well I'm not sure with Fuel injected if you can also adjust the fuel jet so in case of emergency you can still take a ride and get home safe ...
kenneth cuenca I agree plus carbreter dont want electric power its very reliable.
easy to fix in emergancies
"If your bike has carburetors you WILL end up working on them." That's a load of crap, if you take good care of your bike the carbs may never need service.
@@yafaza450 why did it take you a few weeks to tune a carburetor?
@@republicansareoffendedeasi821 I was doing different mods to it every week... did air box mod n had to rejet it, got a pipe n had to rejet it, then did the cam mod had to rejet it, another airbox mod n had to rejet it. After doing all that and getting it jetted right I never had to change it again
Peter rather than bash your keyboards why don’t you make a video about it or write an article. Because nobody really wants to hear from you.
what do you call taking good care of your bike ? the only way to avoid your jets getting clogged, is to twist that throttle to redline, ride the hell out of her at least once a day and you'll have brand new carbs
@@blackmesa27 Avoid alcohol blended fuel, and burn at least a tank of fuel per year. Ideally you should add some fuel stabilizer before you park it. Pretty basic shit.
When I was the final year of secondary school my exam for finishing the school(one of them) was the carburator. I know it perfectly! And it will always be my option no 1.
10yr old DRZ400SM here, still on the OEM carb(jetted), never any issues, still running perfect.
suzuki dr 750 almost 30 years old still running on stock carbs cant beat reliability for me. These thumpers are bullet proof
Thanks dude for making me understand the difference between carburrator and Fuel injection.
Can you please show how to switch grips on handlebars
Check the library! That's one of the very first vids we did at MC Garage, so you'll have to scroll waaaaaay down. Or just Google "replace grips MC Garage."
Ari Henning Thanks
Mate use a compressed air nozzle gun (pointy end) to get the new ones on , after cutting the old one off .. piece of piss.
Something EFI users dont usually have is the Carb user's thirst for knowledge with bikes...
So true, those who use EFI are gay
Damn right, you better know how to fix ur bike, just in case
You are confusing thirst with requirement. You WILL have to work on that carb if you own it long enough.
@@someguy5035 it's just simple maintenance but, se i got an 8 yr old carb bike that ive been using for deliveries for 3 years now and it never gave me problems only those broken drive chains or flat tires, as far as my experience goes, if you run on optimal A/F and some twice a year carb cleaning you wont have problems..
The Delortos on my 78 Guzzi, the Bings on the 81 Beemer and the single Mikuni on my Norton continue to work fine. I had to replace the rubber diaphragms in the Bings several years ago.
Short, sweet and informative without shit music. Thank you 🙏
One of the Simplest yet comprehensive explanation.
"That's how this sucker works" - no pun intended!!!
No recip aircraft have direct fuel injection as of yet, and only a very few have electrical fuel metering. The vast majority are carbs and mags, which I believe says something...
Bingo 👍👌to the point and crisp.
Yes, we learned something.
🙏 Thanks from India.
I loved learning and working on my CV Carb. Fascinating stuff. The mechanical nature and simplicity makes me feel more connected to my bike. And you cant get that sound with fuel injection!
EFI while being more efficient has a few added drawbacks in my experience. Biggest is the management components needed with EFI . They add complexity which adds expensive diagnostics and repair costs vs Carburetor's . Also the claim that EFI is more reliable isn't actually true. EFI throttle bodies are simpler then carburetor's but again they add complexity and vulnerability due to needed sensors and other electronic components and wiring. Nothing worse then getting stranded because heat and vibration caused a electronic part to fail . Carbs while less effecient at metering fuel/air mixture are by far less complicated and as such more reliable when making wheels turn when it matters most. Complexity doesn't lend itself to reliability in reality !
gorilla cookies. Boy are you ever right about fuel injection being more reliable. You are one of the few that know that complexity of fool infection makes it tougher to keep running. I have ridden Carbureted bikes for 55 years and have never been stranded by a carb. problem. In fact I have been stranded by fool infected cars far more than by my collector cars. Right now I have a 2003 Dodge Caravan that hasn't started for two weeks simply because that so called Innova tester that is supposed to tell you "exactly what is wrong" doesn't EVER tell what is wrong. I see by most of the other replies that most fool infection lovers are entirely too stupid to understand the value of simple carb. and ignition systems MORE then make up for their slight less reliability. Fool infection lovers don't even bring extra sensors thinking, like idiots, that their scooters will never quit. Profound ignorance. Good luck to you.
Love your video editing skills! That explains why my garage smells gasoline after my bike is parked
If you take care of your bike and clean your carbs every now and then, they'll never leave you stranded. And when a carb does fail, it costs next to nothing to get it running again.
Depends, Mikunu carbs are expensive to repair and even more expensive to buy as a whole.
Ain't nothing better than a upjetted mikuni/uCal carb spitting fuel coupled with a K&N filter. The induction noise is just heavenly. 🤤💯
Pretty concise explanation. I prefer fuel injection. Like he said,the computer regulates the fuel,whether in hot or cold temperatures. It really is the best. Carburetors sometimes cause too much fuel to be used and the engine sputters,or you have to choke it until it starts and runs good.
For cars, yes, FI all day.. but on a bike, short of a race bike.. where its a physical experience, carbs win for me. The throaty sound of the engine and the analog response are pure climax.. not to mention reliability. But I am biased, I want and ride a bike that connects me to the machine as much as possible, no fancy electronics for me, pure, minimalist riding, conmected directly to the machine and thr road.
Nice video mate, more.... Its very educational. Thankyou for helping alot of riders who are not aware about it... More power to your channel, cheers!
Still love my moped with carburetor 😘
The 2 distinct advantages of efi over carb are volumetric efficiency and thermal efficiency. These advantages can however be negated if the computer is not kept "in tune".
It would be very interesting to have a video that completely explains the difference between tube and tubeless tires!
What is there to explain? Tubeless tires don’t use tubes to get inflated. Tube tires use tubes.
Almost lost it on "sophisticated". Like a verbal tank slapper. Great save Ari. 😎👍🏍💨
what a nice and simple explanation
Carb mechanicing is an art. I tried 5 times on my drz, had to take it to the shop. Almost lost my mind. I still love my drz though.
I had a bad charging system on my bike.200 miles from home.indisabled all lights etc.and with a full charge i made it home.if i had fuel injection i would have been stranded for sure.alk components draw electricity..lol.my fuel pump is vacuum.and gravity.most piston aircraft is old school.for safety purpose..il keep my carburator.thanks
For people that consider working on their bike as part of the experience and older Bike with a Carb is the way to go, there are so many older bikes out there going cheap, you can have 2 or 3 or 20 for the price of a new bike. An older used bike can go for well under a thousand dollars, and your on your way. The great thing very easy to work on.
If only Suzuki would take these tips on the damn DRZ.
Just came upon your video. Simple and to the point loved it.thanks for the information.
Damn ,you have a beautiful carburetor in your hand haha
My 10 year old lawn tractor had run trouble free all this years. The main thing is always putting the right kind of fuel.
As always nice topic discussed!!!
My Honda Cub has a carb. I love it.
I love my carbs but weather you have a carb or fuel injection bike/car your still goin to incounter problems at some point
clear explanation about the difference and comparison of the two in a motor wether in motorbicycle or vehicle
Question
Can a engine (which was designed for fuel injection )run and preform well with a carb. and vice versa?
Theoretically yes, practically no. Why?
If the throttle body or say the mouth of the carburettor matches the existing setup then yes. Many Royal Enfield Classic 500 owners have converted their existing efi to carburettor setup , here in India.
If you find a way to nullify the ECU on an EFI engune you can run a carb and if you find a way configure the sensor array for a EFI engine on a carburated one, you can run EFI on it
That's pretty impressive. Respect
Ken Vukel Some guys here in Indonesia swapped their FI with carbs. Performance reasons, they said. You can search it here on youtube
This channel deserves more subs
Thanks for making this video Ari!
Officebear looka at your mothers first
I like the way things teleported in air with a smokepuff :)
It would be great if two of the same bikes will race an FI and a Carb. :D
Lol two days after I get a fuel injected bike, perfect vid on why I should never look back to a carb 👍🏼
Efi over carb everyday
Love from Pakistan
I don't know why I watched this as I am fairly conversant with how they work.
I don't know if it's been pointed out but at 53 seconds the carb was back to front.
It is exactly analogue vs digital, another way of thinking of it is a carb works from feedback from the engine, and EFI is feed forward from the ECU.
Other than that this is bang on.
Carb!!! Mikuni never ceased to amaze me!
Love your videos man, short and precise!
my carbs 27 years old still run fine all 4.
Mine too. Honda?
1991 vfr750.old school,for old man.
1992 Sevenfifty, still running smoothly. :)
1990 FZR 600, 1999 R1, running strong, one being older than me :)
You gotta try the the 800 without the vtec. Trust me, you will love the efi
2:18 - reason is the reason I love carb. ❤
Hi guys, thanks for the great content and awesome tips. I wanted to ask if you could do a piece on liquid cooled vs. air/oil cooled motorcycle engines and overheating issues especially in areas with hot climate. Thanks!!
Thank you... For Sharing your Idea about the Comparison of Two types Carburator.
Gravity never fails, fuel pumps do.
I can rebuild the carb on the side of the road if needed, which is rare, can't diagnose a failed sensor and carry a replacement for my EFI on the side of the road.
Electronics are great when they are new, time and mileage will tell in the long run.
I had a BMW GS 650 rental one time, was hard to start cold and stalled a lot, not much I could do with it, my DR 650 did a similar thing once, pulled the carb off, cleaned the jets, little bit of dirt, 30 minutes later off I went, good as gold.
You are just about the only one that knows the value of being able to fix your carbureted bike. The others are too damn stupid and just keep ranting about how fuel injection "never breaks". Utter rubbish. Fuel injection DOES quit and is terrible to fix. Only profoundly stupid people disagree with that.
I don't see the value of it... Simply because shit always breaks. Shit that breaks needs replacement parts.. and since MOST carb bikes started leaving the market around 2004 or so... You're ebaying parts for most of those bikes. In another 4-5 yrs... being able to repair a Carb will be the lowest priority on your list.
So for me it depends HIGHLY on how old the bike is, how well it sold to the public, and when was the last model or update made...
Repairabilty will never be a low priority. On a Harley carburetor without any variable venturi there is very little need for parts for it. Only a rare cleaning and by rare I mean I only cleaned the accerator pump once in 38 years on my Superglide. I have found way too many check engine lights on my cars telling me of more hard to diagnose problems. Damned if I'm stupid enough to want that damn fuel injection junk on my cycles too.
bottmar1 wasn’t really talking about the carb in itself... I was talking about the bike as a whole...
Keeping a bike for repairability becomes void if parts for the rest of the bike becomes a bitch to get
I don't know what bikes you guys are riding but these indirect fuel injection systems are extremely reliable nowadays.
No you probably can't fix your bike on the side of the road if something goes wrong with the EFI system like you would with a carb, but then again you're less likely to end up on the side of the road in the first place.
EFI as I ride in ALL weathers and always starts good. Had a carb bike before made in 2000 and trust me when dirt got on the fuel was a right pain to fix with all those hoses, fuel petcok, carb cleaning, cleaning out fuel tank, etc.
Only find when I am stopping down steep hills in slow slow traffic the revs can go higher or lower. Hopefully the rev adjust, air and fuel checks did yesterday helped. No sign of an issue this morning with little traffic.
1:15 damn a magic tric ! Caught me unprepared :D
Please do a video on a list of ALL maintenance / checks that need to be done when working on a bike.
Not an in depth on each, but a comprehensive list, would have gone a long way when I started restoring bikes and would probably get more than a few hits.
A link can then be made on said video to your other in depth videos :)
EG:
Oil, filter and plugs.
Chain lube / shaft drive oil changes.
Cam chain tensioner and cam chain checks.
Ignition and cam timing
Fork / shock checks and changes.
Brake pads, disks and bleeding.
Checking your magneto, rectifier etc for impedance.
Of course tire condition and pressure.
A couple hundred k+ miles on 18 different bikes, never had to fix a carb roadside.
Were they Japanese bikes?
I only off road so I like my carburetors, 1982 Honda 200e ATC's. Great content, always learning something.
Another great vid MC. I always look forward to your videos. Thank you for doing what you do and for doing it so well!!
Fuel Injection all day !!!
I think one of best things about owning an older bike or car is being able to work on it yourself. Also parts like carbs, pumps etc can be stripped down and repaired unlike new stuff which is just chuck away.
for me, carbs: inexpensive,reliable,easy to maintain, but slightly less economical. whereas injector:economical but dam expensive, not reliable, cannot maintain,
EFI is pretty reliable
I like fuel injection. Up here in the Northeast it helps cold starting immensely for winter riding. Also there are not any fuel evaporation issues during storage that can gum up a carb.
My 2007 vtx1300r is carb,(2plugs per cyl.),4 valves,per cly♡.,I use fuel stabilizer now & then ,but if you break a throttle cable (,carb) will get you home just by pulling out the choke,been there.(no fuel pump ,no electricity,,. Fuel injection will have you calling Roadside Assistance!☆
One of my carbed bikes has stranded me THREE times due to fueling problems. One was due to improper fuel line routing(kinked), two others were from separate fuel pump failures.
@@Daschickenify but that's not the carb's fault
@@GraveDigger388 Not directly, I agree, but a fuel injected bike does not need to be tinkered with and constantly taken apart to get running right. Plus they usually have stiffer hoses/metal lines and a high pressure fuel pump which will prevent/overcome bad line routing.
Don't get me wrong, I love tinkering and working on stuff, but I HATE fuel system tinkering.
Living in Pennsylvania EFI takes away the stress of going to the track early spring or in the fall and the bike not wanting to start because it’s too bitter in the morning having said that when it would start it ran like a dream
How set idle speed on carb for good air fuel ratio