The ENTIRE New World Was Foreshadowed From Chapter 1
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I believe Nami's parallel in the new world may actually be Momonosuke.
Both of them suffered a loss because of the villain of the last arc, neither of them actually talks about it until much later in the story and both ask for Luffy's help
Could be Tama
You can see it in 1051
U are completly right. The law and nami paralel was the only thing that felt a bit off and this makes it perfect.
Even momo is introduced at punk hazzard same as law
Momo reflects vivi and nami
That's why Moj said, "Oda made a mini version of the *vs Yonkou saga* " so of course, the much larger Saga holds more than one instance where things reflect. Capone Gang Bege could also be Nami for WC island only where he is forced to work with Big Mom in order to be able to pursue love and he's only truly free IF Big Mom is gone. Even the headliner-Holdem could be a Arlong type character with Tama being the Nami in that plot-thread.
I think Morj wanted the video to be more concise and straight to the point, and that's why he started from the end game, to make it make sense where Nami parallels Law. Also, Momo never worked for Kaido, whereas Law worked for Kaido indirectly through Joker and Nami worked for Arlong too.
Arlong killed her mom figure who was a marine which he hated, Joker killed his father/brother figure who was a marine too, they both left it up to Luffy to take down the big bad in the end, Arlong was sent crushing down into arlong park, Doffy was sent crushing down destroying his birdcage, they both got arrested and afterwards Luffy got a bounty and was chased by a marine (Smoker later showed up because he tracked Luffy down and Fujitora straight up chased Luffy in Dressrosa).
Parallels don't need to be the exact same replica, only the story beats and themes matter (that's why Morj held off on the animal kingdom parallel because they were misarranged). Momo brought nothing to the table that mirrors East Blue Nami, not wits, not skills, not knowledge about the world either (all these qualities are only just being explored in the endgame, not when we first met him) and these are among the many similarities between Cat Burgler Nami and Sugeon of Death Law.
Something I would like to add is that Syrup Village was Usopp's arc where he had to grapple with the consequences of his lies whereas Dressrosa was also his arc and he had to overcome his lies to become who he said he was. Also Syrup Village ended with everybody thinking Usopp was still lying whereas Dressrosa was the arc that gave Usopp his first actual bounty (unmasked).
Similarly, Baratie featured a Gold armored villain threating to kill Zeff and claiming that his technology was how he would conquer the grand line but being outclassed by Mihawk, whereas Whole Cake Island featured a gold armored villain, threatening to kill Zeff, while claiming his technology would help him conquer the North Blue but being outclassed by Big Mom.
I little bit off-topic but I like than in syrup village everyone actually loved Ussop even if he was always lying as they actually were having fun.
@@ShiNijuuAKL I do to. For lack of a better term, Usopp was the village idiot, but he was their village idiot. That is why everyone put up with him. I always thought Syrup Village was one of the more underrated arcs and Kuro is definitely one of my favorite villains from that saga.
Your usopp point is kinda off. Usopp in Syrup village was also about him overcoming lies. that is why his call to action was a scene saying "I need to turn my lie into a reality" there and in Dressrosa it was the same "I will become your hero", basically making ythe lie into a reality to
@@sylent8428 Wasn't Syrup village about making what he was saying (the truth) a LIE? I mean the "pirate are coming" which was no longer a lie but he wanted to keep it as a lie to protect the village
how was dressrosa usopps arc lol . . . maybe you are doing that usopp thing he always does
So Gaimon guarding a treasure that wasn't really there foreshadowed the minks protecting Raizo who "wasn't there"?
Or maybe the One Piece isn't on Laugh Tale yet
@@ReiseLukas Or MAYBE the story is 1000+ chapters long so you can find a connection to anything you want to
Or actually gaimon was guarding the one piece, and only fooled them that it wasn't there 🤔
You see it
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Good theory. One point on the island of strange animals- We know Oda sometimes works with the anime people to correct or add things. The island of strange animals arc comes after syrup village in the anime, making your theory a bit better.
I thought that seemed strange, coulda sworn I remembered Usopp being there freaking out
Good point
@@TheElectrikCow Usopp also drank some coffee out of a thermos there
@@heyoyo10gaming4 wait huh???
A lot of people say the anime does that but I’ve never actually seen the interview or sbs where he said that, do you know which one it is?
Arlong is equivalent to Kaidou: I sleep
Gaimon's Island was foreshadowing to Zou: REAL SHIT?
I've never commented on a video of yours, but I just wanna say this - I really appreciate how much effort you put into filling your videos with quality analysis and no-frills One Piece discussion. Many other content creators put out videos where 30% of the content is jokes, ads, or even plagiarism in some cases.
Of course, there's a time and place for those kinds of videos (except for the plagiarism, of course), and I do watch many other One Piece creators alongside you.
But I just really appreciate knowing that I can come to one of your videos anytime for thought-provoking discussion about consistently interesting topics, as well as original ideas that come from somebody who isn't afraid to go against the grain. And the best part is that the quality content is from START to FINISH of each video. Keep up the good work!
Yeah we know who those are
What about videos where he said Kaido is going to awaken after the flame dragon mode is revealed? Doesn't that look like milking money from his viewers? He use to be really good when he first started the channel and got worse when he started saying the "Raid is going to fail" .
@@Arunpaarthi In the end it was a theory. Just because he was wrong doesnt mean that his quality has gone down. If anything he was justified in saying that, as kaido has never confirmed using his awakening, like dolfamingo and katakuri. Mr morj is one of the best theorists in general as from beginning to ending he gives a good majority of content and evidence while linking everything together, which is rare compared to the many one-piece theorists and theorists in general.
@@Arunpaarthi that's just him sticking to his theory though. If you watched those videos then you know that he explained his viewpoints and reasons very clearly. That's the point of having a one piece centred channel. He loves one piece and makes theories about it by analysing the details in the story.
Expecting an awakening from literally the strongest creature in the world with the strongest Zoan fruit in the story is very valid. Especially when this arc revealed 3 new awakenings from the protagonist's side.
@@ahmedel-batal3024 I agree to everything you said. He is good and there is nothing wrong in theorizing. But to say that Kaido has an awakening right after the flame dragon form is revealed and we know that the fight is ending next chapter based on the current chapter is not something right. I mean it's my opinion but he can say whatever he wants. And after that he even said Kaido is not done yet and will get back up after being punched below Wano I mean come on, is it not obvious that he is defeated? He can say Raid is failing in the middle of wan arc but Kaido getting back up after he is done is utterly BS. I not saying he is bad but his recent 2 or 3 videos are BS and misleading.
Not only Nami//Law, the first thing I thought about was Nami//Momo. They were both the sign of hope that Cocoyashi//Wano were waiting for, they were introduced in the fist island and their problem comes to a solution in the last.
Momo is to going remain the Shogunate of Wano just like how Vivi didn’t went out to sea with Luffy on the Going Merry, and Law is more similar to Nami because of him even after defeating the Four Emperors he wants to find out the true meaning of the Will of D, and Nami wanting to map out the world of One Piece to the point that Law’s dreams mirrors both Nami’s and Nico Robin’s dreams.
In that case, would it be safe to assume that the final saga will parallel the Paradise Grand Line arcs?
Starting with:
Little Garden -> Elbaf
All the way to:
Marineford -> Final War
Then finally:
Fishman Island -> Strawhats revisiting Fishman Island and "destroying" it (uniting the world)
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And, Sanji, again on Fishman Island, saying that he has found the All Blue.
@@krishbohra5536 I wouldn't put it passed Oda to have used that as some sneaky foreshadowing
@@skelet0n650
This is a stretch but
Little Garden -> Elbaf
Drum Island -> Blackbeard related arc
Alabasta -> Final War
Skypeia -> Blackbeard vs Luffy at Laughtale
@@SAINTxSZN That'd be interesting. Although I'm kinda against the idea of another rescue mission, it could go:
Enies Lobby -> Save Sabo/Kuma arc
I think when Oda is brainstorming arcs, he just goes back to previous arcs and draws out a plan from that. That's why we always feel like everything is foreshadowed when he might just be taking some stuff that are similar in previous arcs
Yeah he just has a common formula more so than foreshadowing everything
But stuff like Nightmare-Luffy being a form Luffy could achieve (Gear 4th) or Sanji saying he is from the North Blue are things I would consider "foreshadowings" of later events or character-arcs.
I too think the fandom goes pretty wild sometimes but foreshadowings are there, you can't deny it.
@@sobversion3 some of it is foreshadowing, some of it is parallels. For example, lola giving nami a vivre card and saying her mother is a powerful pirate in the new world, and then we get big mom so many years later, that's foreshadowing. Whereas crocodile and doflamingo are parallels.
@@koinzellascheriit4282 sanji saying he's from north blue is definitely foreshadowing. I feel like with nightmare luffy, i think oda saw that and it gave him the idea to create gear 4th as one of luffy's forms
@@koinzellascheriit4282 what the hell is sanji saying he is from north blue foreshadowing? And nightmare luffy is nowhere near similar to gear 4th
The entrace to wano and chapter 2 of the manga is the most direct parallel for me, Luffy enters a whirlpool and lands in an island where Alvida, a big character with a gigant metal bat with spikes is staying there.
Yo, a lot of times I think people go too far reaching for "parallels," however, in this instance it makes a lot of sense. Great theory!
I noted this in a reply, but I just figured it would be cool to post it on its own.
I love how Nami was covering a lot of different character's roles in the East Blue (Or Nami's role was so expansive that it had to be split amongst a billion characters lol).
1. She definitely parallels Law in role (the alliance) and backstory (Navy sailor adopts them and dies for them in front of them by gunshot, with their last words being 'I love you').
2. She covered Oden's role. Misunderstood hero tries to protect their village through non-violent means (earning money v. dancing). Became a social pariah as a result, but before the final confrontation their home becomes aware of their sacrifice.
3. Momo for being the scary monster's victim and keeping it a secret for as long as possible. Also, both of them were the non-violent heroes of their respective arcs (encouraging people to not give up on Luffy and asking the samurai/villagers to risk it all).
This is the kind of morj content i fell in love with. Analysis. Theories and weekly reviews isnt suited for him. In terms of analysing onepiece no one does it better than morj.
Fact!
💯
he never stopped. he make a video like this every week
Exactly.
I subscribed to Morj because of his analytical skills, not for his theory videos. In fact he didn't even used to make any theories back then. It was pure analysis.
To me, theory is just a fancy way of saying my headcanon. Not really interested in those things.
@@pikachu3b366m Absolutely.
Another addition to the parallels of Dressrosa and Syrup Village is that during Syrup village, that was where Usopp proclaimed the first time that he has 8000 men under him. In Dressrosa, that is where the Strawhat Grand Fleet was formed solely because of Usopp.
Edit: Oh yeah and also, similarities of Arlong and Kaido is not just because they are dubbed as the strongest but also that they have similarities on the "fish" aspect. Oda with his dirty sly as always.
Ha good point about the fish. Oda definitely didn't do that by accident, he could have just made Kaido's fruit a regular dragon without using the koi fish legend.
Oh yeah kaido fruit is a fish fish fruit
I keep forgeting about that cause it jsut dosent seem to matter atm (1051)
Also, Kuro and Doffy both wear glasses, crazy huh
i love how basically all of Usopp's lies that he told in Syrup village became true. The giant goldfish whose excrement is mistaken for an island by the pirates Dorry and Broggy. The if-I-go-to-this-island-I-will-die disease (buggy suffered from it when going to raftel), and now having a bunch of subordinates
iirc there were other lies as well but those are the only ones i can remember.
The parallels between the east blue arcs and the new world arcs is actually mindblowing
The quote on quote path that they follow in both the new world and east blue is pretty similar and their results are also similar
Such incredible and out of this world story writing right there
I mean Oda could of also went back to those arcs to find things he wants to parallel before he writes his arcs
@@SAINTxSZN exactly my thoughts. Could just have been Oda tryna recreate the same thing in the new world by looking through east blue
Oda is great at retelling the same story with a twist...but I wouldn´t call that "out of this world story writing"...especially since he admitted that he didn´t even plan most of it early on...he didn´t even believe one piece would go on much longer than skypea
i think oda's original plan was just the east blue saga and the new world saga. If you think about it, luffy defeated the 4 strongest pirates in east blue and in doing so, he essentially conquered it and became the king of east blue. And then he becomes the pirate king by overcoming the 4 emperors, the 4 strongest pirates in the new world. I think paradise and the warlords were something that wasn't in oda's original plan but wound up really extending the life of the series.
This actually and literally saved my disappointment about the finale against Kaido (which is written in a pretty unusual way for being *Oda* , at least in my humble opinion...)..
LOL.
Another similarity is that luffy stayed behind in baratie to get sanji to join them while leaving zoro in charge in arlong park and he also stays behind to get sanji back from WCI while leaving zoro in charge in wano
Another thing I noticed from lougetown that relates to wano is the alliance of two pirates to take down Luffy in east blue it was buggy and alvida and in the new world it was kaido and big mom
Funnily enough, both Kaido and Buggy were former crew member of the strongest pirates in their era (Rocks D Xebec and Gol D Roger)
@@ShatteredGlass916 , Black Beard and Buggy both started off as joke characters until we figured out that Black Beard murdered Thatch and White Beard along with them both going from warlords of the Sea to Emperors of the Seas.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr the thing is, Teach is somewhat obvious. He's a tall, menacing, assh*le looking bastard that's introduced butt-heading with Luffy of all people, about food of all things. Buggy just isn't
@@ShatteredGlass916 , if Buggy can Awaken his Devil Fruit after Black Beard is defeated by Luffy himself then he can easily remain the next Four Emperors of the Sea even after Luffy becomes the Pirate King, and both Buggy and Black Beard are violent park types to the point that both of them wanted to kill White Beard and Shanks, but only differences is that Black Beard is definitely going to kill Shanks like he did with White Beard, and Buggy won’t need to go after Luffy after Shanks is killed by Black Beard because Buggy will be one of the Four Emperors of the Seas along with him having the second best treasure next to the One Piece which is Captain John’s Treasure.
in syrup village, usopp lies and says leads a pirate fleet. in dressrosa, he actually leads them and starts the straw hat grand fleet
Pearl from Baratie and Cracker from WCI also share the oddly specific character trait of being tanks with a powerful defense (shields/biscuit soldiers) that are actually extremely sensitive to pain if they actually get scratched.
This is so typical of Morj. First he comes up with a theory/title that makes me go "huh, really." Then he uses his words-thingy and turns me into a believer. Great content, as always! There's so much striking similarity in structure and plot elements that, at the very least, it is highly likely Oda was influenced by his own manner of storytelling when he organised his writing for the new world arcs.
Bro, this theory is trash. "Here are some superficial similarities between a few arcs. Therefore the sagas are exactly the same!" Dressrosa and Syrup Village? SUPER different. Whole Cake Island and Baratie? Despite each featuring Sanji, SUPER different. Zou and Gaimon? You gotta be joking.
Just because each saga starts with an alliance and ends around a big bad doesn't mean they're structurally the same. You could make the same case for Alabasta. Literally. Here, I'll show you;
Alabasta starts with Whiskey Peak; a light-hearted easy villain arc that results in an alliance to take down a much larger antagonist (just like Punk Hazard). Then moves to Little Garden, where the villain is a master strategist that manipulates our heroes by tricking them into doing the fighting for him (like Dressrosa). Then we go to Drum Island where our antagonist is evil royalty whose powers come from their insatiable appetite (just like whole cake island). Finally we end in Alabasta where we fight the villain we've been building up the entire saga and each SH gets an individual battle while our alliance member self-actualizes to save her kingdom (just like Wano). Oh, did i skip Zou? Well don't forget Reverse Mountain which is a non-battle arc featuring strange creatures. See, perfect symmetry!
Oda has story-telling tendencies, all story-tellers do. And after 20+ years of writing they're easier to spot, but that doesn't mean they're worthy of a "theory." This video is trash. Worse than that, it's insulting to Oda who made a saga full of distinct arcs. Zou's story structure was unlike anything we've seen in OP. Whole Cake Island was an acid trip fairy tail that turned the whole "damsel in distress" motif on its ear. Dressrosa...was super similar to Alabasta haha.
The point is, this "theory" is a joke. Though honestly, at this point, Morj is too
I think that the final arcs will parallel The Grand Line to some extent. Little Garden > Elbalf. Jaya > Raftel. Possibly a Enies Lobby > Sabo rescue parallel. And of course Marine Ford > Final War parallel. Not 1 to 1 by any means, but that's vaguely how I imagine things will go.
I was about the say the same thing. It definitely sounds interesting.
It would be too long but I would like it
@@RuBlue404 I think the only thing you can cut is a Sabo/Vivi rescue arc. I feel like everything else is pretty much mandatory (assuming we meet Shanks/Mihawk on Elbaf, if not we can cut that too, but then all that would be added to Raftel/Final War, so not saving much time).
Logue Town could be Lodestar Island and maybe we'll get to see more about Roger there.
Nice work 👍
Amazing analysis as always, Morj! But you missed one little detail: after Arlong Park, there is still Logue town, which is still part of the east blue. Loguetown has everything, the world government, the good and bad sides of the marines, pirate crews, old rivals, the beginning and a connection to the pirate king, intervening revolutionaries and much more. This could be a reference for the final arc with all the similar parties participating
I've been a raid fail hater for a long time, but now that the raid argument has settled, I realise Morj is probably the one piece youtuber with the most substance.
Liam's videos sound empty nowadays.
Agreed, morj’s videos actually make me think about the series
Ikr. Liam's videos lacks substance but it gets the cash and attracts all the OP fans.
Morj is unbeatable when he is doing analysis
A man of culture indeed
Ohara and morj are the goats
Ya know, now that I think of it, the whole Yamato Kaido conflict is like the Nami Arlong one (not literal fight or relationship, more so what happened)
Both Nami and Yamato were trapped in certain ways by their respect captors (Kaido and Arlong) and…Huh…Luffy proceeded to punch Arlong through Arlong Park, and punch Kaido beneath Wano and into a volcano! 🤣
The raid failing was foreshadowed from chapter 1.
2 things to add, another similarity for wholecake Island and baratie is the focus on sanji. And the 2nd point is that you didn't finish east blue, after along comes loguetown, the town of begining and the end, the hometown of Roger, the end of the prologue and the begining of our grand adventure. I would consider the possibility that the next arc is going to be like loguetown and probably feature shanks, luffy's personal begining and end, as well as move us towards Roger's treasure and the end game of One piece. Great video Mr morj!
This is kinda similar to TotallyNotMark’s “Checkered Fate” video, but instead of East Blue being the precursor to New World in his video it’s Pre-Timeskip/Paradise.(He mainly focuses on inversions though not similarities)
Exactly, people make paralels like these all the time, in reality Oda just reuses story elements from old arcs, but it's never the aame full story
Yes. Thank god i am not the only one who thought this. That was actually a very good video.
@@joel3399 you can even easily make the case east blue alabasta saga and the new world follow roughly the same beats
In Arlong Park, zoro fights with the second in command with deadly wounds.
In Wano, zoro fights with the second in command with deadly wounds.
Don’t he usually fight the second in command with deadly wounds?? Hell even alabasta.
Kurobi is second in command and the shuu , hatchun is 4th
Intended or not, one piece is a great example of reusing the same concepts in a story without it getting stale in a long running narrative.
Well in all honesty, this isn't all that much of a surprise considering that the Yonko were *always* the main focus that Oda had long wished to get to. So this all being foreshadowed is not outside the realm of possibility
This line of thinking is why I say gear 5 was also always planned. Oda just didn’t know it would be called that until now.
@@ryangentry2003 Wororororo, more than likely but at the same time, he maybe did cause Oda is a mad lad
@@ryangentry2003 it's possible that gear 5 was originally his only improvement upon luffy's fruit resulting in luffy having his base form and awakening, and he came up with gears 2, 3, and 4 and the concept of gears as his classification later on.
Finally someone brings this up, i been saying this for a long time which is why I know for a fact we will eventually get a Nami, Brook and Usopp arc that parallels the east blue. Just like Sanji(WCI) and Zoro(WANO). Oda is methodically working through each of the original straw hats from the very first saga and exploring there connections to the deeper part of the world. This is why most all straw hats are orphens in this story.
Why brook tho? brook is not part of the original five
@@noxccty6200 Actually he is sort of. Remember Brook's crew was first mentioned during the Laboon arc even though we did not see the character until much later.
His story also parallels the end of the grand line, as his crew was first revealed at the start of the grand line.
So it is natural that we should see his story end at the end of the grand line.
@@noxccty6200 , Luffy mentioned above all of the other crime mates besides Zoro that he immediately wanted a musician first and foremost, but it’s just that he didn’t get a musician until he got a helmsman for his Pirate ship/Pirate Crew, and Jinbei has been foreshadowed to joining the crew in Arlong Park just like how he officially joined the Crew in Wano, and so yes the New World Saga has been mirrored versions of the East Blue Saga since the very first chapter because of the comments of this video and this video itself.
Thanks Morj. You just made my love for this series deepen significantly. I can’t believe I hadn’t thought about the parallels between Jim and Kuri despite both being the standout aside from Sanji of course.
Great stuff as always! Other small parallels: Buggy was sent flying with a Bazooka, Caesar with Grizzly Magnum. Kaido and Arlong both sent downward while the towns people were “separated” in the distance. Also Kaido linked with Orochi and Arlong linked with the marines
I think it is as good time as ever to say that "Morj" means "Walrus" in russian
Dunno man...anything to do with Russia is pretty taboo these days, lol.
Dunno man... anything to do with Morj is pretty taboo these days, lol.
Dunno man...it's the same in Croatian
Dunno man... I just dunno
That should be his devil fruit: the walrus-walrus fruit.
The Punk Hazard alliance which more clearly parallels Nami is the one with Kinemon/Momo. After all, Orange Town is her home, and Wano is the Samurais' home.
you must be reading the manga from atop a cloud. This bird-eye view is so enriching
I wonder how One Piece would look like if the Warlords didn't become as big of a role in the story as originally planned. It's also crazy that Oda came up with the Worst Generation in a day.
Oda’s froshadowing is top tier and gets a lot of praise (righfully so) but I feel like his ability to come up with ideas and organically weave them into the story is underappreciated.
Yeah, Oda is a master at improvising and as you pointed out the warlords and the supernova are the greatest example of that
Its honestly a monster of an ability to be able to spawn 9 characters on command and even if he wasn't sure how they'd fit into the distant narrative yet their immediate impact instantly made the world of One Piece feel much bigger and the grand line even grander. The fact that it gave us the concept of many different paths into Paradise and that the Strawhats kinda had it easier in comparison to some of the other supernovas is such a flex in how flexible he can be for on the fly storytelling. I love Sabaody so much 🔥
Makes me believe Oda would be an absolute God tier Game Master for a RPG campaign.
Solid and creative worldbuilding, amazing and memorable characters, great at planning and Improvising.
Damn, I can just dream
I think being extremely flexible and adaptable while keeping his world somewhat consistent is Odas greatest strength as a writer.
Never seen a story last 20 years and being 20 years of intense storytelling and not just stalling or making new arcs to justify such a long story. Every arc in one piece has its role in the bigger picture!
We were also introduced to the Shichibukais in between Baratie and Arlong Park when Yozaku mentioned Jinbei and Mihawk being Warlords.
This parallels the abolition of the Shichibukais that happened at the Levely between Whole Cake Island and Wano.
Also, coincidently Jinbe joins the crew just before the raid.
Something I would like to add
Both baratie and Whole cake island had a character that was just way too far strong for the straw hats to defeat
That being Mihawk and Big mom
Mihawk was Zoro’s Big Mom, so yes Zoro is definitely going to surpass Mihawk in the New World Saga even if Oda kills him permanently by having Shiryu murder Mihawk.
holy crap, this was insanely awesome!
i was interested in the premise of the video but the syrup village and dressrosa parallels sold me!
amazing how neatly baratie and whole cake also likes up (sanji-focuses and gin/katekuri)
before the video i thought perhaps only a strong argument could be made for arlong and kaido but man... what a great analysis
Also how Nami, Robin, and Yamato all are apart of the enemy organization to some degree even though they don’t want to, reflecting the East Blue, Grand Line, and New World moments even more
I do wanna bring out that Baratie and Whole Cake Island are also similar in that they were initally "mini" side quests that were part of the original plan (WCI not being part of Law's plan, and Baratie, on a much smaller scale since they had no clear long-term plan, wasn't even something they went to for a purpose, but rather ran into by chance and got dragged into it by accidentally destroying part of the restaurant, forcing Luffy to take an abrupt break from his journey and work for Zeff for a bit to make up for the losses)
both arcs had the crew split up completely where Zoro and Usopp specifically go to the final destination earlier than the rest along with their non-Straw Hat allies, meanwhile Luffy stays to help Sanji and vows to not leave the island without Sanji on his crew.
and both arcs had Sanji make a seemingly stupid move of feeding the enemy, the big bad of the arc, and the same big bad immediately waged a full attack with the intent to kill on Luffy, Sanji and Sanji's "family" (figuratively for Baratie and biologically for Germa), and both involved the same villain plan to take control of the ship said family calls home, because they think it holds the key to them conquering the Grand Line.
Edit: and if you wanna go further, both involved Luffy and Co. taking down an enemy with unbreakable defenses: Pearl, the 3rd strongest fighter of Krieg Pirates, and Cracker, the 4th strongest fighter of Big Mom Pirates, but the 3rd who actually did anything at all lol (cuz Smoothie doesn't exist)
This might be kind of a stretch but Levely and Loguetown might also count
-theyre both short arcs that focus more on worldbuilding than action, taking place around Arlong Park/Wano (be it before or after)
-both are set in a place with significant history (the World Government's capital is Mary Geoise and Loguetown is where the great pirate era began)
-both give lore on an important king (Roger, King of Pirates, and Imu, King of the World)
-both involve the revolutionary army (Dragon saving Luffy and the rest of the army preparing for war in the Levely)
-Luffy gets a major bounty (his first bounty in Loguetown and his 1.5 billion bounty in Levely)
-both showcase returning villains in more minor roles (Buggy and Alvida in Loguetown and Charlos, Wapol, and Lucci in Levely)
I would like to add that the East Blue saga ended with Loguetown (The Land of the Beginning and the End), which I think would be a cool parallel to the final saga/war.
Another note is that the final moment of the final episode of the East Blue saga is the strawhats stating their dreams, which would be a fitting parallel to them actually achieving them.
Who cares?
Both kaido and arlong was defeated in a similar way beaten to the ground.....and also both of them saw zoro an actual threat...
It's a fun idea but it falls apart when you consider that the Shichibukai weren't planned to be this important. Doflamingo wasn't going to be the antagonist he became when Oda was writing East Blue. Also remember that even after that, Doflamingo was going to be a secondary villain in Wano before Law existed.
I concede he might have used some ideas that were going to be important in the future, or viceversa, taking ideas from the start to give form to what we've been reading these past years. But it wasn't "foreshadowed" nor planned beat by beat in East Blue.
Let them be happy man.😅
This whole theory is trash. "Here are some superficial similarities between a few arcs. Therefore the sagas are exactly the same!" Dressrosa and Syrup Village? SUPER different. Whole Cake Island and Baratie? Despite each featuring Sanji, SUPER different. Zou and Gaimon? You gotta be joking.
Just because each saga starts with an alliance and ends around a big bad doesn't mean they're structurally the same. You could make the same case for Alabasta. Literally. Here, I'll show you;
Alabasta starts with Whiskey Peak; a light-hearted easy villain arc that results in an alliance to take down a much larger antagonist (just like Punk Hazard). Then moves to Little Garden, where the villain is a master strategist that manipulates our heroes by tricking them into doing the fighting for him (like Dressrosa). Then we go to Drum Island where our antagonist is evil royalty whose powers come from their insatiable appetite (just like whole cake island). Finally we end in Alabasta where we fight the villain we've been building up the entire saga and each SH gets an individual battle while our alliance member self-actualizes to save her kingdom (just like Wano). Oh, did i skip Zou? Well don't forget Reverse Mountain which is a non-battle arc featuring strange creatures. See, perfect symmetry!
Oda has story-telling tendencies, all story-tellers do. And after 20+ years of writing they're easier to spot, but that doesn't mean they're worthy of a "theory." This video is trash. Worse than that, it's insulting to Oda who made a saga full of distinct arcs. Zou's story structure was unlike anything we've seen in OP. Whole Cake Island was an acid trip fairy tail that turned the whole "damsel in distress" motif on its ear. Dressrosa...was super similar to Alabasta haha.
The point is, this "theory" is a joke. Though honestly, at this point, Morj is too
@@deepfried13 I wouldn't go that hard on Morj despite this video being bad, but overall I agree with you.
It would be crazy if this continued. Next is reverse mountain - some new land or area of the world to enter. Then whiskey peak - running into a group of people (shanks crew) who at first seem friendly but might be apart of the world gov. Little garden - elbaf where some of shanks crew/world gov has followed to fight again. Drum island- a crewmate gets sick and they need the help of an old witch doctor (Imu or vegapunk). Alabasta - an all out war against the world gov., Marines, Black beard, and any other pirate groups 🤯
Same thoughts for Alabasta also Im is based on the egyptian god Imhotep. In 1352 BC, Nefertiti and Amenhotep IV got married. Amenhotep and his sons were pharaohs for generations. The Nefertari family definitely has some history in the void century with IM
Failed or not, the raid is over now and maybe that's good for morj too. He can focus on something new now which is pretty refreshing
I feel like the most clear parallel between Baratie and WCI isn’t even the “honorable right hand”, but rather that it’s a Sanji focused arc, with WCI being an almost second introduction arc for Sanji.
Usopp vs chuu greatest fight in the series
It's morjin time
Hey Morj, awesome video as always. I have to add something: maybe that post Wano will be a retelling of the Paradise, since some things are already going in that direction, culminating in the greatest war in the end (paralleling the Summit War). Different from the journey until Wano, post Wano would be a scaled down parallel of the Paradise.
Very interesting video. I have always looked at the parallels of the arcs in a different order. But your view also makes a lot of sense. I think probably both could be right.
Here is my view:
Romance Dawn = Post-War
Orange Town / Syrup Village / Baratie = Return to Sabaody
Arlong Park = Fish-Man Island
Reverse Mountain = arriving in the New World
Whisky Peak / Little Garden / Drum Island = Punk Hazard
Alabasta = Dressrosa
Jaya / Skypiea = Zou
Water 7 / Enies Lobby / Thriller Bark = Whole Cake Island
Sabaody = Levely
Amazon Lily = Wano Act 1
Impel Down = Wano Act 2
Marine Ford = Wano Act 3
This is good… more of this kind of analysis. When you think about it after East blue was loguetown: the story of roger is emphasized … where we are introduced to dragon, there was hints that luffy was destined for something in the dialogue after he was saved by lightning, he smiled at his execution, new powers that luffy has no answer to like logia devil fruits are introduced via smoker, reverse mountain is described then they go there and meet laboon, I wonder if elbaf will be like this in a way? will they be chased by new powerful SSG weapons and meet up with dragon and revolutionaries then find the last poneglyph and realize they need to get back over reverse mountain to laboon a crocus in order to get to laughtale? Then will the final war involve pluton Blackbeard and alabasta? Could their be parallels with skypea to get to laughtale? Makes you wonder if some of the paradise section of grandline was inspired by the ending wars. For example alabasta is tied to the world government … so maybe crocodile goals are similar to the world governments story in void century? World government is a crocodile that succeeded in defaming joyboy and taking over the world posing as a good guy? Did hey fail at taking the ancient weapons so they buried the history to stop the world from getting the power to take them out?
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WCI and Baratie are also part of Buildup to Wano/Arlong Park
Wano and Cocoyashi sharing both 2 locations
Citizen/vilain
There are also other similarities with the first half of the grandline:
Wano, Along Park, Thriller Bark have unhuman villians with a nearly unbattleable army (fishmen, gifters, zombies)
Baratie, whole cake, enies lobby highlight the villain's right hand (Jin, Lucci, Katakuri)
Syrup village, skyisland, dressrosa are about villains who try to keep everything under their control (Kiryo, Enel, Doflamingo)
Orange town, Alabasta, Punk hazard the villain got a powerful weapon
(Buggy's buggy ball, Sir Crocodile's bomb, Caesar's smile gas)
After arlong parc, we have Logue Town, where the strawhats confront a dangerous pirate from the Past, Buggy (Black beard in the new world), and à dangerous Marine (Akainu in the new world) and there is heavy talk about Roger which will definitely be the case after wano. we even meet dragon and you bet he's gonna be making an appearance pretty soon, since we're so close to the end. I Think the crew going uphill on reverse mountain represents their way up to the moon .
Mr Morj, you forget, "East Blue" didn't end with "Arlong Park", it ended with "Logue Town". Doesn't this mean that "The New World" segment of this story should end with a transitional arc where our crew goes up against good guy Marines & returning pirate antagonists, while Luffy is nearly executed only for him to be saved at the last moment by Dragon and The Straw Hats come face to face with the legacy of Gol D Roger? Maybe this isn't part of Oda's plan, but given the movement of Sword, Black Beard, The Revolutionary Army and The World Government, I can't help but think that the very next arc will be a parallel to "Logue Town" as One Piece transitions into it's final segment
Alabasta. Rebels go to war. Strawhats get their own fights. I think Alabasta will parallel final arc.
Louge town is in The grandline tho
Streched. With Morj and his way with words and sheer volume of One Piece chapters is like with bible and the priest it can be spun in any direction and if done right you wanna belive it...
This is the Morj content I look forward to. Weekly analysis isn't this man's bag, he gets too caught up in his own head-canon and his views aren't as objective as they are in his analysis. Chapter review are always based off feelings. Long form analysis is where Morj shines, when he has the time to dissect a subject and look over it in its totality rather rather reacting to bite sized chunks.
I've seen similar thoughts as yours before and I'm always confused... What do you think he was basing his "head-Canon" on? He wasn't pulling his opinions and thoughts on how the story was going to go out of his ass for the last 2 years. He was basing them off of the rest of the story up until this point and wano itself.
@@Hobblescotch When I say head Canon I am speaking of a subtle difference in his analytical style. His long form analysis is based on what Oda has written and Oda's writing style. His chapter analysis is very much so based on Morj's own interpretation and expectations of said writing style. Something that is flavoured by his own personal preferences and biases. This can clearly be seen in his adherence to the raid failing and is the reason I used the terminology head Canon, though its too simplistic a term to describe what I'm getting at.
@@Hobblescotch him claiming that the raid was gonna fail was him pulling shit out of his ass. like come on, we’re talking about a fucking shonen jump manga.
@@muneybeforefame4961 the only issues I had with the raid failing were all time related. It's already the longest arc in the story by a good margin, and the raid failing meant that we were maybe 2/3rds of the way through or so which seemed wild. But the issue is the pacing of the arc was wack, thats what I Mean when I say it wasnt out of his ass. He was basing it off of the fact that there were so many things left in the air, that it does make sense with his perspective on past arcs and how the whole series has been written that this wouldn't be it. But I don't think any of his ideas about why he thought it would fail or how it might go, were so CRAZY for A shonen series, everything he put forth felt very One Piece and it not only followed patterns set but also paid off for things set up this arc.
@@Hobblescotch I agree with you bro. I also think it was rushed in certain ways. I agree with everything Morj post, except for the raid failing. Like there was no way that it was going to fail. Luffy always wins in the end. That’s the typical shonen jump layout. I just feel as if Morj wasted too much time making videos about a raid that 100% wasn’t going to fail. I actually had to skip a few of his videos to dodge that bs theory. Other than the raid failing bs, Morj prob makes the best OP content aside from Ohara.
Raid failing was foreshadowed in Dragon Ball Z
im glad you made a video on this, as a super long time reader, ive seen this pattern happening for a while and was so hype when i started to notice a lot of this story elements mirroring
We could even draw parallels between Shells Town and Fishman Island.
In both arcs, we have two Straw Hats with already established notoriety in both Zoro and Jinbei.
Both Straw Hats have been known for their fighting prowess and their sense of duty. Both Straw Hats were even imprisoned for putting their honor before their ego, eventually burying their egos for greater causes.
Zoro was imprisoned and sentenced to death for killing Helmeppo’s dogs while protecting an innocent. Jinbei was in lockup at Impel Down because he refused to partake in the Marineford War for the sake of Ace, an innocent who was only trying to avenge a crewmate and deliver justice to Blackbeard.
Both also only joined on the condition that Luffy honors their values and convictions: Zoro with his dream to become the greatest swordsman and Jinbei with his sense of duty and commitment to his crew.
Eventually, both also had their badass moments of declaring their loyalty to Luffy. Zoro sacrificed himself to protect Luffy from Kuma. Jinbei stood up to Big Mom at the risk of losing years of his life, with Jinbei declaring that Luffy would be the future Pirate King.
Both arcs also had a supposed “lawful” military-esque villain. Morgan was a corrupt marine officer who ruled with fear. Hody was a former officer who believed that Fishman Island would be behind his anti-human crusade that was based off the unspoken law of hating humans.
Both arcs showed a people who were freed and allowed to live their lives, with Koby being the more notable example in following his dream of joining the marines. The Fishmen were freed from the discrimination and prejudice against humans.
Both also set the stage for the saga to come.
Thoughts?
A crazy similarity between wci and baratie that I noticed is that both arcs feature a ship that sanjis family lives on and the many parallels between them. Both ships double as something else, with Baratie being a seafaring restaurant and Germa being a seafaring kingdom. Both ships can transform, with Baratie having extendable decks and Germa being made up of completely rearangeable square sections. Both ships are where his family lives, with is birth family on Germa and his adoptive family on Baratie. The ships captains, Zeff and Judge, mirror each other as father figures, one literal and the other adoptive. The Baratie's cooks mirror Sanjis literal brothers, both relationships are competitive to the poi t of anger and violence, but with the cooks it was love disguised by macho posturing, while the relationship with Sanjis birth brothers was truly toxic.
Another important parallel between wci and baratie is that both arcs show the strawhat pirates and the viewer the true level of the sea.
Baratie constantly emphasised the strength of the 7 warlords of the grandline and even showed the reader, a first hand experience of the true level of the grandline with Mihawk showing up and beating zoro. Thr same zoro who was portrayed as unbelievably strong in east blue.
On the other hand, wci had the first arc where luffy could not defeat the main villain and the entirety of the second half of the arc was shown to be extremely difficult and hard to survive with the katakuri fight and the escape of the strawhats being the prime example. As this is the first time encountering and fighting a yonko, the same way baratie was the first time encountering a warlord
So they actually parallel each other even more, as it shows and hypes the viewer up for the true level of the sea and the series in general
Me, reading the title and thinking 'come on, really', knowing full well at the end I'll be convinced lol
Most of Morj's videos . . .
The only problem I have with theories like these is they ignore how writers think. If a writer likes a certain trope or character type then they will use it again. Oda loves the idea of someone being metaphorically/mentally trapped and Luffy liberates them. You could then say that every arc was foreshadowed by the Shells Town Arc where Zoro didn’t even attempt to escape because he trusted Captain Morgan would let him free. So did Nami with Arlong, so did Robin trust CP9 would let her friends go, so did Sanji with Big Mom. Its not that Oda plans it, he just lives certain storylines and reuses them
A very well thought out idea. Sure, oda might have subconsciously recreated similar structure (it happens a lot with us writers) or used it as a template on purpose. But it does fit and this was not a clickbait video. Nami's parallels momo more than Law because Law's main goal was Doffy, kaido was just a stretch goal as he will be in danger after he defeated Doffy and luffy doesn't have any need to fight doffy otherwise if it was not connected to Kaido. Unlike Luffy, Law doesn't necessity have desire to become Pirate King. So, I feel momo fits better. Anyway, good job.
Not to mention in baratie, Sanji had to feed the Don kreig and gin when they were starving because that was his moral code and then did the same thing for luffy and big mom in whole cake island.
Maybe less foreshadowing and more of a dry run?
another similarity between arlong and kaido is, in luffy's final blow, both broke a signature body part, arlong's nose and kaido's horn(one of them).
This maybe a stretch but the 4 Villains of the East Blue Saga and the Yonkou have some similarities,
Buggy = Shanks, (Former Roger Pirates)
Kuro = Blackbeard, (Wasted Their Life for their Plan)
Don Kreig = Big Mom, (Gigantic Crew)
Arlong = Kaido, (Fish Qualities).
Damn
This WAS FANTASTIC! Good stuff Morj!
This man is a genius, One Piece analysis power level is over 9000
One more thing that lines up is how both Nojiko and Oden (the tragic anchor-point characters for the arcs) died: specifically by being shot by the main villains (Arlong, Kaido)
Arlong and Kaido are both just big fish
You know if I recall, Arlong had a thing about making the villagers act like they were happy or something right? Definitely can draw a parallel with that and both the smiles and the people of wano needing to hide their resentment of Orochi.
And speaking of Orochi, I guess you can draw a parallel with him and the Marine captain(?) that worked with the monster antagonists of the arc giving false legitamacy for their presence.
Fractalized story telling structure; genius Oda, genius. The parallel setup goes into the next saga plotline that as stated has the crew island hopping so we return to hunting Laugh-tale. The Elbaf saga seems likely to mirror the Amazon Lily saga with the major climax following resulting in the rescuing of Robin from Enis Lobby. This could be Luffy assaulting the Grand Line after going to Elbaf (touching up his final fighting techniques) and heading out to rescue Sabo, his dad(also being captured trying to rescue Sabo himself when Sabo escaped unbeknownst to the revolutionary army), or perhaps both. The final villain being likely IM parallels the known main protagonists of cp-9 and the conflict between the two forces of Marines and Straw Hats in both cases. I know a lot of filler is being skipped here with what I'm sure is plenty of important and relevant details but those are the next major points of possible parallel narrative given the proposed fractal telling of the story structure where the first part is a blueprint for the rest.
In that case you can see this pattern also in the Grand Line Arcs (and everywhere you want so see it... )
Orange Town = Alabasta = Punk Hazard (all about a map/blueprint to treasure/ antique weapon/ lineage factor )
Syrup Village = Sky Island = Dressrosa (all about a guy who wants to be mighty and betrayed his folks)
Baratie = Water Seven = WholeCake (all about a crew member how leaves the crew and comes back later)
Arlong Park = Thriller Bark = Wano (all about Monsters)
oh...and Long Ring Long Land (all about strange animals)
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I think this is just Odas writing-pattern.
This is so good. The Alliance with Law then is a beautiful red hearing! the true alliance with a more accurate parallel is with Momo/Kinemon. also working as Momo is still a new crewmate possibility
I’d argue the “new world saga” begins with Fishman island. It sets up big mom as a antagonist (who comes back in Wano) sets up Jimbei as a crew member and he then officially joins in Wano. From Fishmen island to now has been 1 big journey
you didn't talk about Loguetown though
I mean, Oda is on another level. When he was starting Sabaody, he feared the arc wouldn't be interesting enough, so he just made up the other 9 Supernovas right before their debut chapter, and now he's still carrying their storylines forward.
You have it backwards. It's doesn't work this way in reality. The publisher asks the mangaka to conceptualize a story with a designated chapter count to work towards. If it catches on, they will ask for more. Oda created an arc and saga structure that spirals. Once one loop closes, he builds another one that reflects the pattern of the original with more world building, characters, and stakes. It's a clever pattern that enables him to keep themes consistent and focus on a limited number of things to expand.
Contrast this with Kishimoto's Naruto. He stood by his premise of a ninja academy for a while but the more he drifted from the original concept, the harder it was for him to reinvent the wheel.
Oda stuck by a model he could scale up. The issue now that the publisher accepts the story must end, is how much Oda chooses to pay off. Some ideas were never really designed to go anywhere and could easily be cut out without changing the story like the Supernovas. The main payoffs will be Blackbeard, Gorosei, Imu, Laughtale and the One Piece. He could have skipped to these beats multiple times in the story.
The arc after arlong park is Lougetown, in which things are set up to go to the grandline. What if the speculated loadstar island arc would be like lougetown where things are set up to get to laftel
One more point I'd like to add is that I believe the original "Yonko" Oda initially planned for Luffy to defeat were Buggy, Kuro, Don Krieg and Arlong.
I seem to remember Oda mentioning Trafalgar was not in the original plan, and only became so important to the story because he was so popular, so the alliance with nami mirroring him seems more likely a coincident than deliberate plan. Or possibly an intentional mirroring of nami's alliance in law.
I feel like the alliance from nami and luffy is better represented by kinemon and momonosuke, not law.
Yeah it is a lot more straight forward for Oda to be ""rehashing"" some beats to help structure and make sense of the new ideas so he doesn't derail off
Morj, I’ve been on board with the raid failing since I watched your first video on it. Wano has been lacking in some areas (to not say disappointing). Now that it is apparently over, I’ve never sided with you more on the matter. Until I saw your new haircut dude. Wtf is that? Now idc if wano ends here anymore, your hair failed at least.
Interestingly, the Island of Strange Animals actually came AFTER Syrup Village in the anime :D
Old Morj: The raid is gonna fail.
New Morj: Wano is less than mid, 4/10.
Mid is 5/10 whatu mean
@@RaffyDGoat heh heh, my bad.
I’ll edit it now
What, he never said that 😂😂
@@iCJesus777 he will sooner or later… I hope. Wano really isn’t that good and he’s to smart not to see that
@@misters6749 it’s overrated the arc is carried by hype fighting moments
the similarities are very uncanny. Good work pointing them out.
This is just similar structure in the arcs. Not everything has to be foreshadowing...
been a while since we got a video about the broader scope of one piece and not just wano so i appreciate it
This is the Morj I enjoy. Deep and thoughtful analysis of the One Piece story pointing out things I never considered before. Not that whole "raid failing" nonsense that stopped being viable once Kaido's commanders fell.
It wasn't nonsense 🥱🥱
Wano has a lack of tension can’t blame him
Similarly, after east blue, we defeated a warlord, before taking the God. So after EggHead we will be defeating Blackbeard and face Imu/WG. The rebels in sky island is similarly to Revolutionary.
So.. is the raid still failing ?
Anyone else notice from the YT pic that Kaidos scales look like magma and the skull looks like its burning? Foreshadowing of how he would be defeated? Also, Arlong was a sun pirate and he got beat by the sun god…. More foreshadowing? It also works for Enel as a “God”, he literally lost to a god.
People are already rejecting his argument when the video was posted 5 minutes ago. The video is 16 mins how are you doing that lmao
He's been so consistently wrong about everything might as well just assume he's wrong about this too lmao
@@snicksandstones absolutely right , he thought wano will be great arc, I always felt wano will be bad arc and I was right
@@snicksandstones Saying he’s “consistently wrong” is definitely an exaggeration. First of all with theories you’re bound to miss every now and then since the author can go in any direction they please but Morj does a great job analyzing themes in the story and has actually gotten many things correct. Don’t just let the raid fail theory obstruct your view to the point you’re discrediting every thing he says before hearing his reasoning lol
Another thing to point out for bareatie and whole cake island is that both had an enemy, that was insanely overwhelming, with no hope of winning no matter how hard they tried. They both featured a immovable object in front of them. The only difference is that one had no intent of chasing and killing them.