Here's the deal. I've played 1/3 and 2/5 on an almost daily basis here in Vegas for the past 8 months. If someone tells you a particular room is "good" it means they ran good there. If you find yourself in a good game its almost completely random in the sense that the majority of the local grinders decided to play elsewhere that night and more tourists than normal decided to play there that night. The uncapped games at GN and MGM play tiny 95% of the time. The promo rooms(South Point, Red Rock etc) don't attract the type of players you are going to win a lot of money from.
I agree for the most part. Some rooms are nicer than others, some have better drink service, and some have better dealers/staff. The level of competition however is pretty random and/or based off timing. You go to Aria on a Friday night and you can find yourself in a pretty soft 5-10nl game. Go there on a Tuesday afternoon and you might find 3 or 4 regs at every 2-5nl table. The pros are gonna put in their hours. Go play when there are enough tourist playing to balance it out.
maybe im silly in thinking this but the way villain played this hand was so so standard from low stakes games for non pros that flop top set massive massive raises on rivers are the nuts almost every time at this game level
Im not calling here unless the guy has shown to be very good or very bad that said i dont blame anyone that does call here you do have a set on a board where 0 straight and flush draws got there.
As soon as he checks behind flop it's KKK or JJJ 90% of the time; when he calls turn it's 96% of the time and when he raises river it's 99% of the time.
Caesar's poker room is right next to the sportsbook area which is huge - during NFL season when I went lots of players were distracted because they had bets going and were half paying attention when they played
@roberturling9183 That room was definitely rough. I doubt they will even bring it back. I spent many Saturday nights in there grinding tourists to the bone. Caesars even sold the WSOP name. The only Caesars property in Vegas with poker is the Horseshoe.
venetian poker room is moving in less than a month...to the 2nd floor. near some shops. not ideal to me, but I'm sure the appearance will be top shelf.
11:51 there’s a bit of a discussion about how on a lot of flops hero misses his set and just has to fold. Sure, but isn’t that factored in when set mining? That’s why you want big stack depth, especially oop, because so often you’re just going to have to check-fold.
I agree with Bart. This is just a fold preflop. I haven't seen anyone mention that villain left a lot of money on the table by flatting the turn. If he raises the turn, hero has to continue with so many draws available. By flatting the turn, you're letting hero draw and then potentially give up on the river. Get more money in while you can.
I think all viewers should not take caller’s opinion of Vegas poker rooms as a definitive guide. One player might value seat comfort/service/setting, while another player values a high percentage of weak players. A third player might value friendliness of dealers, while a fourth player values hotel/comp accommodations.
Looks so much like KK when V raises river, but given: 1. That’s only 3 combos 2. Hero is getting 2:1 3. Every draw bricks 4. You might occasionally see an overvalued KJ… I don’t see how this could ever be a fold.
It's not ever a fold. There are people here in the comments confidently proclaiming it as such because they know the reveal. If the hero had folded and then was shown KJ or a bluff, those exact same people would be talking about how it was clearly a bluff because he was upset that the hero was raising him so much.
when a NIT or someone who never bluffs - shoves bricky river, then you better fold anything than top set. (number of combos, getting 2:1, etc are just delusional figures, as they have no bearing when you're on a losing hand).
@@pot_kivach160were we given the setup that villain was some ultra-nit/OMC? I mean sure if you’re given the setup that V only raises the river with the nuts, then fold everything but the nuts. But then why even call that hand in? Where combos and 2:1 comes in is that if someone only has 3 value combos and you’re getting 2:1 then you only need to find 2 bluff combos to make the call profitable. Someone might rarely bluff raise rivers…but 2 combos is still pretty rare! You have to have played with someone a lot to know they aren’t ever bluffing here imho.
@@pot_kivach160 the hero didn't say anything about him being someone like that. Even still, those players are the same players who think AA and AK here are the ultra nuts.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj 1) my answer was to your question containing word *ever*: _I don’t see how this could ever be a fold_ I hope now you can see "how EVER". Whether V was a NIT or not, is not known and (is) irrelevant to my answer. 2) My theory says that such things like number of combos, 2:1 ratio etc...are misconception. They might be good from theoretical side of the game, for impressing the viewers, but that's it. the reality disapprove them. I'll list just a few of my reasonings: A) When you're on a losing end, then no amount of combos will help you on the long run; B) 2:1 ratio works under ideal conditions only, which we never have!. (There has to be the same opponent, the same pot size, the same hand procedure..., etc). C) Relying on those and lose a huge pot ($2500) once, and win small pot ($200) several times makes you still loser on the long run. . Hope this helps understand where I am coming from.
Finally, the best 2 5 games are rarely at Aria/ Wynn - nice rooms, tons of regs... Caesars is good value but doesn't always run - no regs because of that
Caesars advantage is location: By Omnia night club, dinner spots, sportsbook, right in the middle of the slot floor. It's also very "open" to sort of strut up and walk into - not tucked away. What's great about that: I find this to be a great spot on weekends to start play around 8 or 9pm for super rec players to give the tables a try. I can't tell you the number of times I've played w/ a bachelor party, guys waiting for their wives before dinner, conventioneers, etc. The location is the perfect storm for creating this environment. Also, the last I played 2/5 at Caesars it was capped $500. It plays small. It's good for people moving from 1/3. So, they can get some 1/3 dabblers in 2/5 there.
If a guy moves seats because you are aggressive and he doesn't want to be on your right, and he's not on tilt, then he's not going to pull a big river bluff on you. Especially on a line where he can't rep much.
I love when people get up and move because of the way I play. It comes in 2nd only to people moving when I sit down. It's usually OMC's, pissed because they don't get to see many cheap flops and they hate getting 3 and 4 bet.
Strong disagree. He thinks he's being bullied (hence wanting to table change) and ABSOLUTELY will try to run a huge bluff to show you he's a real man at some point.
@@danielmeuler2877if the most aggressive player on the table is on my direct left, I’ll try to change seats. Nits to the left, donkeys on the right. I had an extremely aggro fish sit on my direct left in the only remaining seat on Friday. I just knowll that every single pot I play in is gonna be against him, he’s going to play huge pots, and I’m going to have to let him make all the moves. It’s boring because you have to fold way more pre and you have to trap every hand. You can crush but it’s my least favorite type of game to play in next to a super aggro player who’s actually good.
@@Jermo484He didnt table change, he seat changed to hero's left. Being on hero's left, why is the seat changer gonna feel bullied when he has the advantage of position now? With the advantage of position, there is no need to risk a big bluff on hero now.
I get that it's a close your eyes and call but other than Td9d what are the possible bluffs and what are they trying to bluff you off? 8dxd trying to bluff off Kx?
QTdd? A5dd? Some random Jx hand he’s turning into a bluff? I agree with Bart that JJ and 88 are extremely unlikely to check flop. So if V only has 3 combos of KK that beat us, you don’t need to find many bluff combos at all to make this a profitable call. Or overvalues.
I dont love calling a river raise with this action. 3bettor checks behind an obvious flop to bet, then shows aggression on the blankiest of rivers to a big bet. To me, from experience, there arent enough bluffs here in his range that 3bet pf and check KJ8 rainbow and then raise 3xish on a river like that. Your range is ultra weak and youd expect opponents to bet you off that on earlier streets.
I'd agree with everything Bart said in this video, including the beginning assessment of fold pre. While it's more of a thing in Omaha than hold em, getting stuck set over set / boat over boat tends to result in losing all or most of your stack. Nothing about the post flop play was bad, if you're gonna set mine, you've gotta play for it when you hit, but the lower pairs you're willing to go with pre flop, the more frequently this will occur.
in PLO set mining with even with QQ/ JJ is nuts in SRP unless have straight cards/ fds - partly even top set isn't that great versus hands that get it in on flop, and middle/ bottom set are for chumps
We hate it but AQdd, qtdd - all those bet flop - to get 77 and lower to fold... the only flop check are like QJs, AJs, Jts, maybe the odd kqs..maybe t9s checks because getting check raised is so horrible... versus pot pot... we are so polar - takes massive stones to bluff versus that line... villain played well blocking all the continues with KK (checking JJ/ 88 is mental for the opposite reason)... i'd like to think my turn probes were more balanced and I'd be surprised if "pot" is a sizing since we are leading into capped range, and want to have good price on bluffs, get value from Kx (when we have it which we shouldn't).. in short I don't see anyone take this line as a bluff esp versus pot pot sizing... sux
This result is why I would bet 1/4 or 1/3 pot on turn. He would be forced to raise to get money in the pot, and then the river would be much easier to fold.
KK makes sense, but still feels hard to fold this unless you’re against some massive nit. But massive nits wouldn’t just flat the turn I don’t think, they’d be too worried about a draw coming in.
I mean, that is sort of the catch - if hero is calling 33+ here, there's not much a missed diamond draw can do to bluff at this spot. I don't buy that KJ or 22 goes for the check raise. It is kinda funny how the reverse bluff catch worked out here though: hero trying to "rep" busted diamonds, then has to call against a range of other busted draws.
Like most set over set scenarios, in hands like this, in the long term you'll be on both ends of it, it's a wash, and you're just losing the rake. The one asterisk on that, is that you need to be 33% more suspicious of it being set over set, when you turn a set, than when you flop a set. That makes turning bottom set worse than flopping bottom set. I've been burned many times by turning bottom set on a free card. But I've also stacked many people who turned bottom, 3rd, or 2nd set on a free turn card I gave them. We can quibble about the preflop double flat, or how big a raise and how big a 3-bet to do so with, with how bad a pair. But as long as you don't leak more on those decisions than your opponents, that's not really a mistake or leak making it -EV. And as long as you take others to value town as well as villain does here, when the tables are reversed, that's also a wash. If you're folding sets very often on rivers where the absolute nuts is also a set, please let me attach a tracking device to you. It would have been more of a call if there was AK in the flop vs KJ, but either is enough that to me, it's not a fold against a generic player, and certainly not against anyone who thinks I might overfold to a river raise. You call, and you know you'll have a future hand (or preferably a recent past hand!) with someone calling you in the same spot. Hero put himself in a bit of an awkward situation convincing himself he needed to make $750 if he hit, to justify calling the $50. On average, you need to make less, the higher number is just to cover times like this when hitting doesn't win, or it wins but you don't get paid. Don't let the mission of getting another $750+ into the pot become automatic, if you can avoid paying someone off. Tough spot, we've all been there. At 2-5, I don't think the line he took was very +EV or -EV. But neither was folding to the extra $50, and that has A LOT lower variance. There's no shame in taking a lower-variance line with around the same EV. Bart's not exactly scared money at 2-5, and he would have folded, so that has to tell you something about how many stars have to align in that spot for it to be worth doing anything other than giving up the $20.... or $0.
I boycotted the Venetian for the online stuff, but I’ve only been to Vegas twice since then, ao my boycot meant absolutely nothing unless a bunch of other people (who live there or visit waayyyy more often) joined in.
If you always fold here, the good regs will pick up on this and punish you if you play the same game on a regular basis. However, you are right, there are not many bluffs here.
Had a similar trip at the end of last year where I went to Vegas a few months and played small stakes (mostly 1/3) at most of the rooms on the strip. My main takeaways: 1. Caesars consistently had the best games - I think this is a combination of the location of the room (next to the sportsbook and a club), the low buy-in, and that people who go to Vegas to play poker seriously tend to go to the bigger name rooms (Wynn, Bellagio, Aria) 2. Wynn is definitely the most comfortable room but will have the highest percentage of players who know what they’re doing 3 Weekday games are a nitfest regardless of where you play - doesn’t come close to the action you get in the Midwest or Florida 4. Avoid the rooms with promotional drops as you get a lot of older players who sit there and chase high hands (very prevalent at Horseshoe but see it a bit at Venetian)
I am one of those aria bellagio and Wynn players, in that order. I agree Monday to Thursday is much tighter than weekends. I noticed that the last couple times I went to Vegas. I like aria bellagio and Wynn for the weekends though for sure. I’ve been to Vegas many times but never bothered to play Caesar’s. Maybe I’ll try it out next time. Actually they moved the room to the front instead of it’s own separate room right? I just like the vibe and layout of aria the most and on weekends it’s rich donkeys for sure. Love their sports book area too. Plus the comps. That’s why I stick mainly to aria and bellagio. I agree Wynn is the most comfortable room. Why would I want to avoid playing against chasers? I love playing against older players. They are so easy to beat and it’s an easy game. Which casinos specifically would you say had these conditions the most? Next time I go I definitely plan on moving around more during the week but I always like racking up comps at bellagio and aria
Lmao Florida must be awesome then… cause I usually play in the N.E. And I would play every hour of every weekday against those 2/5 “pros” out in Vegas. There wasn’t a such thing as a bad day to play out there.
@@jacobbirkenfeld9261 I easily have a roll to play 2/5 but I’ve always been geared towards 1/3 because they’re so soft. Where I am the 2/5 games are very tight with a very low ratio of fish:regs/competent players. I have never played 2/5 in Vegas but like where would 2/5 games be that play close to the softness of 1/3 that you’ve seen? From my experience 1/3 is insanely soft but 2/5 is very tight. But that’s only where I am. Where’s the soft 2/5 games in Vegas generally. I read this one article that said softer 2/5 games will be where it’s not the biggest game in the room? I don’t know if it meant not the biggest NL game in the room or in general? Maybe this is why in my area 2/5 is way tougher than 1/3 because it’s always the biggest game?
Venetian should be on perma-ban even though Sheldon has passed. That said, not sure I would be spending much time playing online due to the current state of online poker.
MGM Grand is absolutely my favorite poker room on the Strip. Extremely soft uncapped games and great promotions. I also ran into Chris Moneymaker last time I played there.
i don't really care about how nic3e the chairs or room is.. it's about how much money i can win... not sure why u care about the room chairs or how old the room is... .u are def not a pro
I cannot stand Caesars. Horseshoe can be profitable but the room isn't real great. The Wynn is extremely nice but you gonna run into the pros. MGM is kind of a dump and full of locals there trying to get comps.
Why don’t you like it? I played $3/5 there last time I was in Vegas and thought it was the hardest game I’ve ever played in Vegas. I went twice and it was the same both times. What rooms are better in your opinion? I always feel like Aria, Wynn, and Bellagio would be tough and reg heavy because they’re so popular. $2/3 at Horseshoe is a nitfest. I’m going to the WSOP for 10 days next month so I’ll take any suggestions.
Bellagio is old & tired. Caesar's is a dump. Venetian should be nice after the remodel. Wynn/Encore is nice, but looking a bit dated. Same with Aria. RW is beautiful and that's a great spot in spite of how bad I've run there.
Smokers don't realize how bad they stink. I've had to ask a poker player sested next to me to please exhale a few times after his smoke and b4 he ran back in to play his hand. The crap in his lungs pours out of him for minutes after his last puff and he ruins the air around him.
6:00 “Horseshoe was surprisingly nice”. Huh?!? The casino maybe, but the poker “room” is hot garbage. Old tables, old felt, old chairs, in plain view of the entire casino. HARD pass!!
@@mjriemen I was at the new Horseshoe in December; poker room was by the snack bar / cafe. Poker HoF (two walls) by the poker check-in table. Did they redo it after December?? Maybe that was a temporary spot…
So hero was 3! Frequently and known to be aggressive. Double flats to a smart opponent who saw an opportunity when he seat moved . There’s no way this is much other than air or KK or maybe JJ . It seemed villian laid enough rope for hero to stack off. Does he ever play AA to like this ? He would bet the flop almost certainly. AK same or he just calls River but never jams against your air or monsters you are projecting. He calls a pot size and bombs river when you seem committed . Yes there are lots of bluffs but if he’s a thinking player (he moved seats not too many fish move seats) he should know you’re not folding for all the tea in China when you bomb river or have complete air. I think this discounts his bluffs as hands you beat like AA and AK just call. If you had 3! 33 pre and this guy 4! You would be done with the hand but Brad was likely right just fold pre as he stated. Somewhat a “cooler” but my guess was very likely KK before the reveal. Venetian players are like orleans player when they chicken hawk the river they usually have whatever you fear imo. Also for 30 min with opponent all you could tell us is he moved seats to your left and was Asian…. Uh ok was he active , did he bluff or did he spend 30 minutes folding and this was his first hand you saw him play? Very relevant. My guess is caller was the weaker player at this game and didn’t know it. Was funny how he said how terrible other players at rooms were yet seemed to play this hand with excuses on being felted when it seemed the villian literally moved to target hero.
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My favorite is Aria because of the nice ambiance and because I could play 1-2 PLO there
Encore, Resorts World and Aria
Wynn/Encore is hands down the best, S tier. Aria/Resorts World is A tier, Bellagio/Venetian B tier, Nugget is D tier.
In the tunnels under the strip the have a $2/5 no rake and free crack.
@delmar2169 Interesting.... what's the buy in? 😆
Here's the deal. I've played 1/3 and 2/5 on an almost daily basis here in Vegas for the past 8 months. If someone tells you a particular room is "good" it means they ran good there. If you find yourself in a good game its almost completely random in the sense that the majority of the local grinders decided to play elsewhere that night and more tourists than normal decided to play there that night. The uncapped games at GN and MGM play tiny 95% of the time. The promo rooms(South Point, Red Rock etc) don't attract the type of players you are going to win a lot of money from.
This is the guy who should've given the room report
please update your report after the WSOP :)
I agree for the most part. Some rooms are nicer than others, some have better drink service, and some have better dealers/staff. The level of competition however is pretty random and/or based off timing. You go to Aria on a Friday night and you can find yourself in a pretty soft 5-10nl game. Go there on a Tuesday afternoon and you might find 3 or 4 regs at every 2-5nl table. The pros are gonna put in their hours. Go play when there are enough tourist playing to balance it out.
maybe im silly in thinking this but the way villain played this hand was so so standard from low stakes games for non pros that flop top set
massive massive raises on rivers are the nuts almost every time at this game level
Im not calling here unless the guy has shown to be very good or very bad that said i dont blame anyone that does call here you do have a set on a board where 0 straight and flush draws got there.
As soon as he checks behind flop it's KKK or JJJ 90% of the time; when he calls turn it's 96% of the time and when he raises river it's 99% of the time.
@@eyeofchorus6313 lol no. Lots of hands check behind on the flop.
Caesar's poker room is right next to the sportsbook area which is huge - during NFL season when I went lots of players were distracted because they had bets going and were half paying attention when they played
Did you find bluffing easier because of that?
Rooms full of smoke terrible ventilation
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@roberturling9183 That room was definitely rough. I doubt they will even bring it back. I spent many Saturday nights in there grinding tourists to the bone. Caesars even sold the WSOP name. The only Caesars property in Vegas with poker is the Horseshoe.
venetian poker room is moving in less than a month...to the 2nd floor. near some shops. not ideal to me, but I'm sure the appearance will be top shelf.
That’s just for the tournaments, not the cash games
@@AAtrain Yeah the Venetian is a crap hole.
@@AAtrainthe entire room is moving. Cash and tourneys will be in the new location.
Worst rake on the strip
@@balbirchahal1890No. Worst rake on the strip is Horseshoe with up to $6 rake + $2 drop for jackpot ($8 total) for 1/3 NL.
Could we ever find a 4B bluff after flating?
So how’s the new way to look at cards opposed to 15-25-35?
11:51 there’s a bit of a discussion about how on a lot of flops hero misses his set and just has to fold.
Sure, but isn’t that factored in when set mining? That’s why you want big stack depth, especially oop, because so often you’re just going to have to check-fold.
I agree with Bart. This is just a fold preflop. I haven't seen anyone mention that villain left a lot of money on the table by flatting the turn. If he raises the turn, hero has to continue with so many draws available. By flatting the turn, you're letting hero draw and then potentially give up on the river. Get more money in while you can.
MGM Grand may not be the most stylish, but it's an extremely fun room to play. Uncapped games, and very splashy/boozy between 7pm and 5am.
I think all viewers should not take caller’s opinion of Vegas poker rooms as a definitive guide.
One player might value seat comfort/service/setting, while another player values a high percentage of weak players. A third player might value friendliness of dealers, while a fourth player values hotel/comp accommodations.
Quite the opposite actually lol, I was the only person drinking hard liquor on a Saturday
Looks so much like KK when V raises river, but given:
1. That’s only 3 combos
2. Hero is getting 2:1
3. Every draw bricks
4. You might occasionally see an overvalued KJ…
I don’t see how this could ever be a fold.
It's not ever a fold. There are people here in the comments confidently proclaiming it as such because they know the reveal. If the hero had folded and then was shown KJ or a bluff, those exact same people would be talking about how it was clearly a bluff because he was upset that the hero was raising him so much.
when a NIT or someone who never bluffs - shoves bricky river, then you better fold anything than top set. (number of combos, getting 2:1, etc are just delusional figures, as they have no bearing when you're on a losing hand).
@@pot_kivach160were we given the setup that villain was some ultra-nit/OMC?
I mean sure if you’re given the setup that V only raises the river with the nuts, then fold everything but the nuts. But then why even call that hand in?
Where combos and 2:1 comes in is that if someone only has 3 value combos and you’re getting 2:1 then you only need to find 2 bluff combos to make the call profitable. Someone might rarely bluff raise rivers…but 2 combos is still pretty rare! You have to have played with someone a lot to know they aren’t ever bluffing here imho.
@@pot_kivach160 the hero didn't say anything about him being someone like that. Even still, those players are the same players who think AA and AK here are the ultra nuts.
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj
1) my answer was to your question containing word *ever*: _I don’t see how this could ever be a fold_ I hope now you can see "how EVER". Whether V was a NIT or not, is not known and (is) irrelevant to my answer.
2) My theory says that such things like number of combos, 2:1 ratio etc...are misconception. They might be good from theoretical side of the game, for impressing the viewers, but that's it. the reality disapprove them.
I'll list just a few of my reasonings:
A) When you're on a losing end, then no amount of combos will help you on the long run;
B) 2:1 ratio works under ideal conditions only, which we never have!. (There has to be the same opponent, the same pot size, the same hand procedure..., etc).
C) Relying on those and lose a huge pot ($2500) once, and win small pot ($200) several times makes you still loser on the long run.
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Hope this helps understand where I am coming from.
Finally, the best 2 5 games are rarely at Aria/ Wynn - nice rooms, tons of regs... Caesars is good value but doesn't always run - no regs because of that
I do exactly that line with KK, so thanks 😅
Caesars advantage is location: By Omnia night club, dinner spots, sportsbook, right in the middle of the slot floor. It's also very "open" to sort of strut up and walk into - not tucked away. What's great about that: I find this to be a great spot on weekends to start play around 8 or 9pm for super rec players to give the tables a try. I can't tell you the number of times I've played w/ a bachelor party, guys waiting for their wives before dinner, conventioneers, etc. The location is the perfect storm for creating this environment. Also, the last I played 2/5 at Caesars it was capped $500. It plays small. It's good for people moving from 1/3. So, they can get some 1/3 dabblers in 2/5 there.
If a guy moves seats because you are aggressive and he doesn't want to be on your right, and he's not on tilt, then he's not going to pull a big river bluff on you. Especially on a line where he can't rep much.
I love when people get up and move because of the way I play. It comes in 2nd only to people moving when I sit down. It's usually OMC's, pissed because they don't get to see many cheap flops and they hate getting 3 and 4 bet.
That’s an interesting point actually makes sense
Strong disagree. He thinks he's being bullied (hence wanting to table change) and ABSOLUTELY will try to run a huge bluff to show you he's a real man at some point.
@@danielmeuler2877if the most aggressive player on the table is on my direct left, I’ll try to change seats. Nits to the left, donkeys on the right.
I had an extremely aggro fish sit on my direct left in the only remaining seat on Friday. I just knowll that every single pot I play in is gonna be against him, he’s going to play huge pots, and I’m going to have to let him make all the moves.
It’s boring because you have to fold way more pre and you have to trap every hand. You can crush but it’s my least favorite type of game to play in next to a super aggro player who’s actually good.
@@Jermo484He didnt table change, he seat changed to hero's left. Being on hero's left, why is the seat changer gonna feel bullied when he has the advantage of position now? With the advantage of position, there is no need to risk a big bluff on hero now.
I get that it's a close your eyes and call but other than Td9d what are the possible bluffs and what are they trying to bluff you off? 8dxd trying to bluff off Kx?
It's not just about bluffs but KJ is a hand that could be over valued.
QTdd? A5dd? Some random Jx hand he’s turning into a bluff?
I agree with Bart that JJ and 88 are extremely unlikely to check flop.
So if V only has 3 combos of KK that beat us, you don’t need to find many bluff combos at all to make this a profitable call. Or overvalues.
Venetian's new room will be upstairs (seems weird) but I think it will be a nice well done room.
I dont love calling a river raise with this action. 3bettor checks behind an obvious flop to bet, then shows aggression on the blankiest of rivers to a big bet.
To me, from experience, there arent enough bluffs here in his range that 3bet pf and check KJ8 rainbow and then raise 3xish on a river like that.
Your range is ultra weak and youd expect opponents to bet you off that on earlier streets.
Does anyone know what's the video or book he mentioned 《Bluff catching for dummies》by Mark blahblah ?
Hungry horse poker on YT. Have a gentle day.
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I love the MGM $1/2 in Vegas!
I'd agree with everything Bart said in this video, including the beginning assessment of fold pre. While it's more of a thing in Omaha than hold em, getting stuck set over set / boat over boat tends to result in losing all or most of your stack. Nothing about the post flop play was bad, if you're gonna set mine, you've gotta play for it when you hit, but the lower pairs you're willing to go with pre flop, the more frequently this will occur.
in PLO set mining with even with QQ/ JJ is nuts in SRP unless have straight cards/ fds - partly even top set isn't that great versus hands that get it in on flop, and middle/ bottom set are for chumps
@@paulgibbons-keynotespeaker yeah people thinking like JJ74 one suit is a good hand in Omaha is why the game is so damn profitable.
M doesn't have a room any longer... neither does Green valley. Red Rock is still pumping.
I loved the wynns room. The horse shoe felt old.
New Orleans had the best daily tournaments
We hate it but AQdd, qtdd - all those bet flop - to get 77 and lower to fold... the only flop check are like QJs, AJs, Jts, maybe the odd kqs..maybe t9s checks because getting check raised is so horrible... versus pot pot... we are so polar - takes massive stones to bluff versus that line... villain played well blocking all the continues with KK (checking JJ/ 88 is mental for the opposite reason)... i'd like to think my turn probes were more balanced and I'd be surprised if "pot" is a sizing since we are leading into capped range, and want to have good price on bluffs, get value from Kx (when we have it which we shouldn't).. in short I don't see anyone take this line as a bluff esp versus pot pot sizing... sux
You can count all the combos you want. Sometimes, you just know they have it. This had KK written all over it.
venetian is opening a brand new room in August
How about Hard Rock? Feb. 2020 when I was there it was on the main floor roped off, but now has its own room?
It does not have a room.
There is no Hard Rock currently in Las Vegas… the new Hard Rock will open in 2027
I was screaming KK, 3bet check flop and wakes up on the river is almost always going to be top set….
When you think you absolutely bink the turn, but it turns out your opponent absolutely binked the turn card
This result is why I would bet 1/4 or 1/3 pot on turn. He would be forced to raise to get money in the pot, and then the river would be much easier to fold.
V's line screams KK. I don't like to put people on a specific three combos, but if there was ever a time do it, it's this hand.
KK makes sense, but still feels hard to fold this unless you’re against some massive nit.
But massive nits wouldn’t just flat the turn I don’t think, they’d be too worried about a draw coming in.
I mean, that is sort of the catch - if hero is calling 33+ here, there's not much a missed diamond draw can do to bluff at this spot. I don't buy that KJ or 22 goes for the check raise. It is kinda funny how the reverse bluff catch worked out here though: hero trying to "rep" busted diamonds, then has to call against a range of other busted draws.
Like most set over set scenarios, in hands like this, in the long term you'll be on both ends of it, it's a wash, and you're just losing the rake. The one asterisk on that, is that you need to be 33% more suspicious of it being set over set, when you turn a set, than when you flop a set. That makes turning bottom set worse than flopping bottom set.
I've been burned many times by turning bottom set on a free card. But I've also stacked many people who turned bottom, 3rd, or 2nd set on a free turn card I gave them. We can quibble about the preflop double flat, or how big a raise and how big a 3-bet to do so with, with how bad a pair. But as long as you don't leak more on those decisions than your opponents, that's not really a mistake or leak making it -EV. And as long as you take others to value town as well as villain does here, when the tables are reversed, that's also a wash.
If you're folding sets very often on rivers where the absolute nuts is also a set, please let me attach a tracking device to you. It would have been more of a call if there was AK in the flop vs KJ, but either is enough that to me, it's not a fold against a generic player, and certainly not against anyone who thinks I might overfold to a river raise. You call, and you know you'll have a future hand (or preferably a recent past hand!) with someone calling you in the same spot.
Hero put himself in a bit of an awkward situation convincing himself he needed to make $750 if he hit, to justify calling the $50. On average, you need to make less, the higher number is just to cover times like this when hitting doesn't win, or it wins but you don't get paid. Don't let the mission of getting another $750+ into the pot become automatic, if you can avoid paying someone off.
Tough spot, we've all been there. At 2-5, I don't think the line he took was very +EV or -EV. But neither was folding to the extra $50, and that has A LOT lower variance. There's no shame in taking a lower-variance line with around the same EV. Bart's not exactly scared money at 2-5, and he would have folded, so that has to tell you something about how many stars have to align in that spot for it to be worth doing anything other than giving up the $20.... or $0.
Very good points........
...and you are officially invited to my home game.....haha ha. ..haha ha..lol.
Have any of you seen the poker rooms from Saskatchewan? There are basically two and both are very unimpressive
Nugget is downtown and gets that walk up crowd.
Venetian new room not finished until after series they told me in April
Shout out the Sahara my favorite poker room on the strip... Most comfortable chairs in any room in VEGAS.
Closed😢
@celestesantiago4074 i know smfh
they made the worst decisions they possibly couldve made and wondered why ppl stopped showing up
Samstown hands down.. not the best for action but if you and some friends can bring a 2-5game or bigger you can show up and own the place
Super System, isn't that the Doyle Bronson's book? (RIP Doyle btw)
Where is the M? I’ve only played at nugget and red rock off strip
Henderson
They dont have a Poker room
I boycotted the Venetian for the online stuff, but I’ve only been to Vegas twice since then, ao my boycot meant absolutely nothing unless a bunch of other people (who live there or visit waayyyy more often) joined in.
Like he said at the beginning fold pre.
Venetian does not have 2/5. Guessing he played 3/5 or maybe a different casino?
Last time I was at Venetian is they had this Goldilocks approach of 1/2, 2/4, 3/5 NL
You also have to take into account if they're going to fold Kings on a 732 flop.
M poker room has been closed for years
South Point is the best poker room in town. If you know, you know.
Unfortunately it isn’t on the strip.
What bluffs did the villan have here? Q10? 10,9? I think this is a sigh fold. Maybe I'm a nit.
If you always fold here, the good regs will pick up on this and punish you if you play the same game on a regular basis. However, you are right, there are not many bluffs here.
@@user73958 yeah. Player's dependant for sure, but in a vacuum against a 2/5 player I have little info on, it's a fold for me.
AQ/QT; these 2 should do. Or you believe 1 bullet is not enough to kill a deer?
If you seem like a competent player but haven’t shown me a crazy bluff on river I’m folding a raise like that, would say fck but it is what it is
Had a similar trip at the end of last year where I went to Vegas a few months and played small stakes (mostly 1/3) at most of the rooms on the strip.
My main takeaways:
1. Caesars consistently had the best games - I think this is a combination of the location of the room (next to the sportsbook and a club), the low buy-in, and that people who go to Vegas to play poker seriously tend to go to the bigger name rooms (Wynn, Bellagio, Aria)
2. Wynn is definitely the most comfortable room but will have the highest percentage of players who know what they’re doing
3 Weekday games are a nitfest regardless of where you play - doesn’t come close to the action you get in the Midwest or Florida
4. Avoid the rooms with promotional drops as you get a lot of older players who sit there and chase high hands (very prevalent at Horseshoe but see it a bit at Venetian)
I am one of those aria bellagio and Wynn players, in that order. I agree Monday to Thursday is much tighter than weekends. I noticed that the last couple times I went to Vegas. I like aria bellagio and Wynn for the weekends though for sure.
I’ve been to Vegas many times but never bothered to play Caesar’s. Maybe I’ll try it out next time. Actually they moved the room to the front instead of it’s own separate room right? I just like the vibe and layout of aria the most and on weekends it’s rich donkeys for sure. Love their sports book area too. Plus the comps. That’s why I stick mainly to aria and bellagio.
I agree Wynn is the most comfortable room.
Why would I want to avoid playing against chasers? I love playing against older players. They are so easy to beat and it’s an easy game. Which casinos specifically would you say had these conditions the most?
Next time I go I definitely plan on moving around more during the week but I always like racking up comps at bellagio and aria
Lmao Florida must be awesome then… cause I usually play in the N.E. And I would play every hour of every weekday against those 2/5 “pros” out in Vegas. There wasn’t a such thing as a bad day to play out there.
@@jacobbirkenfeld9261 I easily have a roll to play 2/5 but I’ve always been geared towards 1/3 because they’re so soft. Where I am the 2/5 games are very tight with a very low ratio of fish:regs/competent players.
I have never played 2/5 in Vegas but like where would 2/5 games be that play close to the softness of 1/3 that you’ve seen?
From my experience 1/3 is insanely soft but 2/5 is very tight. But that’s only where I am. Where’s the soft 2/5 games in Vegas generally.
I read this one article that said softer 2/5 games will be where it’s not the biggest game in the room? I don’t know if it meant not the biggest NL game in the room or in general?
Maybe this is why in my area 2/5 is way tougher than 1/3 because it’s always the biggest game?
Venetian should be on perma-ban even though Sheldon has passed. That said, not sure I would be spending much time playing online due to the current state of online poker.
I hardly see a difference between 22 and 77 .. Really the only difference is that 22 gets counterfeited more often than 77 by a double paired board..
5 cards
Anyone ever played at the poker palace?
Also, surprised he didnt say MGM Grand was the worst - tucked into the corner, small, and next to the club
But MGM's games are soooooo soft and easy. It somewhat compensates for how uncomfortable the actual room is.
MGM Grand is absolutely my favorite poker room on the Strip. Extremely soft uncapped games and great promotions. I also ran into Chris Moneymaker last time I played there.
Caesar’s for 5/10 too
So I was guessing the villain had AK of diamonds
Makes so much sense. He had the board dominated on the flop, thus no cbet. Well played by villian.
STOP DOUBLE FLATTING - This also serves as a reminder to me. The More we know. :)
i don't really care about how nic3e the chairs or room is.. it's about how much money i can win... not sure why u care about the room chairs or how old the room is... .u are def not a pro
we know her is rec from pf action, don't we?
its basically criminal to fold to that small of a squeeze this deep preflop
MGM Grand is my favorite on the Strip. Bellagio is the worst.
I cannot stand Caesars. Horseshoe can be profitable but the room isn't real great. The Wynn is extremely nice but you gonna run into the pros. MGM is kind of a dump and full of locals there trying to get comps.
Ceasars has big games !!!
LOL wut?
I would fold if villain has AQ or 9 10 of diamonds he deserves the pot for a balsy play.
venetian sucks... it's always sucked and it will suck even more when they move it to the 2nd floor 'Mall' Location.
Why don’t you like it? I played $3/5 there last time I was in Vegas and thought it was the hardest game I’ve ever played in Vegas. I went twice and it was the same both times.
What rooms are better in your opinion? I always feel like Aria, Wynn, and Bellagio would be tough and reg heavy because they’re so popular. $2/3 at Horseshoe is a nitfest. I’m going to the WSOP for 10 days next month so I’ll take any suggestions.
@@mrburns805 I always liked the MGM Grand the most on the Strip. Very soft player pool and uncapped buy-ins. Also has good promotions.
AdKd all day.....nope, I was wrong.
What is KJ ever getting called by for $1400? Random guys don’t just show up and start bluffing for heaps.
Bellagio is old & tired. Caesar's is a dump. Venetian should be nice after the remodel. Wynn/Encore is nice, but looking a bit dated. Same with Aria. RW is beautiful and that's a great spot in spite of how bad I've run there.
If you don’t like the smoke then avoid Vegas altogether. Disney World or Chucky Cheese might be more your speed.
Smokers don't realize how bad they stink. I've had to ask a poker player sested next to me to please exhale a few times after his smoke and b4 he ran back in to play his hand. The crap in his lungs pours out of him for minutes after his last puff and he ruins the air around him.
6:00 “Horseshoe was surprisingly nice”. Huh?!? The casino maybe, but the poker “room” is hot garbage. Old tables, old felt, old chairs, in plain view of the entire casino. HARD pass!!
Not Binions Horseshoe downtown, that room has closed.
Ballys rebranded to Horseshoe and the new room is very nice.
@@mjriemen I was at the new Horseshoe in December; poker room was by the snack bar / cafe. Poker HoF (two walls) by the poker check-in table.
Did they redo it after December?? Maybe that was a temporary spot…
Wow
Dude is absolutely horrendous and thinks people are seat changing because they fear him 😂😂
The double flat. No good.
So hero was 3! Frequently and known to be aggressive. Double flats to a smart opponent who saw an opportunity when he seat moved . There’s no way this is much other than air or KK or maybe JJ . It seemed villian laid enough rope for hero to stack off. Does he ever play AA to like this ? He would bet the flop almost certainly. AK same or he just calls River but never jams against your air or monsters you are projecting. He calls a pot size and bombs river when you seem committed . Yes there are lots of bluffs but if he’s a thinking player (he moved seats not too many fish move seats) he should know you’re not folding for all the tea in China when you bomb river or have complete air. I think this discounts his bluffs as hands you beat like AA and AK just call. If you had 3! 33 pre and this guy 4! You would be done with the hand but Brad was likely right just fold pre as he stated. Somewhat a “cooler” but my guess was very likely KK before the reveal. Venetian players are like orleans player when they chicken hawk the river they usually have whatever you fear imo. Also for 30 min with opponent all you could tell us is he moved seats to your left and was Asian…. Uh ok was he active , did he bluff or did he spend 30 minutes folding and this was his first hand you saw him play? Very relevant. My guess is caller was the weaker player at this game and didn’t know it. Was funny how he said how terrible other players at rooms were yet seemed to play this hand with excuses on being felted when it seemed the villian literally moved to target hero.
Even AA never raises river to pot pot
which is why we don't pot pot
It's a $3/$5. They do not offer $2/$5
Poker is a cruel mistress
Meh
Las Vegas nl cash games suck.