A LAG is not folding any hands to a small 3 bet size, smallish bets on early streets will allow them to end up with a larger volume of hands at river to turn into bluffs. The key takeaway is to bet large and charge loose players with your premiums so a portion of their weakest hands can be lopped off. Large bets will reduce SPR as well making it less attractive to bluff at a shallower depth vs. an opponent showing strength.
@@NKKK19If your not prepared to make big calls against those who bluff at a higher frequency then yes I would bet bigger to disincentize them from raising or calling with weak holdings.
If this is how you think you should approach loose aggressive players, you are going to end up getting stuck in positions where you were forced to fold, premium hands and end up losing more money than you should otherwise. First off, let’s get one thing straight. There is no one type of loose aggressive player. They are on a spectrum. You have to be able to classify what type of player you’re going up against the range of hands they are playing and adapt from there going into a game with the mindset of, I’m gonna do this to a loose aggressive player is absolutely willfully ignorant. Clearly, a vast majority of you people are just playing the cards and position like a GTO bot. Meanwhile, players like Daniel Phil in the top pros are adapting to who they are playing against in that particular session in that exact moment.
easy call. This player is so bad. He worked you so bad and I love the cope at the end about its "just one of the times he bluffed" "can fold and sleep again" hahaha. That guy is working you at that table so hard. Hes not the fish you are.
To be honest, the $350 bet on the turn revealed his cards as an over pair for protection bet; the villain tanked to think up his river bluff. If the hero bet like $200 I think the villain folds right there because the flush is still in the hero's range.
Exactly you can bet there with a flush draw for 350$,I dont fault hero its just that villian saw a tough board for overpairs or even a lone A to call,maybe he knows hero doesnt double barrell flush draws for large amounts aswell.I woulda folded in a shot,cant call every bluff @@supersmoo7377
@@supersmoo7377 I think I agree with you, on a board like that if you're four to a flush and it hits on the river, that's the end of the action. I would want to get as much money as I could in on the turn without scaring out my opponent's weakest draws, knowing that any betting on the river after the front door gets there is going to be severely curtailed.
The river is a pure fold, but this hand is an example to why I hate playing big pots with medium strength hands that probably wont improve. Even if you are getting "value" on your bets, you can easily be bluffed off or someone outdraws you.
Yeah I don’t like betting $350 on the turn vs this type of player that has random spaz bluffs. It bloats the pot going into the river and the caller even said it “half the deck” is bad for his hand. You set yourself up for folding the winner too often, in this case folding cost almost a full buy in.
@@supersmoo7377 You mean if it was the best river possible? Most rivers are very uncomfortable to play. Let's make a list: Any A, any K, any spade, any 5, any 6, any club. And even if none of these come, if your opponent decides to jam, it is a very hard call to make knowing that you are at the absolute bottom of your range and that your opponent might have a very good idea what hand you have.
@@supersmoo7377 If you just check turn for pot control, or bet smaller on both flop and turn (that would be my pick), now its much easier to make a call in the river if a brick comes (or even value bet thin)
agreed... i love calling hands like this down after a bet or 2.... theres just no need for that 2nd bet to be that big compared to pot. Let the spaz spazz out. Be there to catch the punt.
I feel this is where poker players WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY over think and over analyze things. You know he is a splashy guy..you have position..you are calling this guy down. A splashy guy with top pair at min is going to call or raise to see where they are at..its in their inherent nature. Easy call to me..
Catching a LAG Blasting Off is my favorite thing to do. I got my KK all in preflop for 1.2k against AQ off. And even though he spiked an Ace on the flop, I will take being a 70% favorite every time.
This is a snap btw with qs on specifically the As. Its actually a really easy call because its such a "bad card". straight, overpair, flush all get there. You can actually call this really light because villain will have so many hands that want to turn into a bluff. it (mostly) wont be merged as 5x, 2p, even some weak flushes can just go for the bluff catch or win at showdown. villain tanked for 2 mins on turn btw, he just doesn't have that much ts8s, ks5s, 9sjs.
Was in a similar situation, except played the hand a little different. Playing $1/$3NL, I was dealt QhQs in the sb. Action lumps around to the button who raises to $25. I 3-bet to $50, bb and button call going 3-ways to the flop. Flop comes 8h 2h 2d. I act first and lead out for $125. Bb folds and button calls. Turn was 7c. I rip it all in for around $350 effective and button calls. River is the As. Opponent shows pocket 10’s and I scooped a nearly $1k pot. Had I not shoved after the turn, the river would’ve been a scare card. I think hero should’ve shoved after the turn with a bunch of draws on the board.
The A of spades is the #1 bluff card that could possibly come against someone who you think is playing a high pocket pair here. The villain know the hero was a thinking player and he took the opportunity to bluff at the best possible bluff card. This should have been a call.
Tough call especially because a bet that size is usually not a bluff at those stakes if people can find bluff shoves like that and get it though props to them for making the ballsy play nothing to do but fold there imo
@@Bobventk If you're blasting off 200bb bluffing on the river, without blockers to the calling range hands you're an absolute fish. Works this time. Wont work most of the time.
This is a good fold by the Hero, Villain is described as a "loose splashy player" but how many hands have you seen where he goes to showdown! Chalk this up to a good bluff and move on!
I think hero played well other than the too small preflop. Don’t think you can call the river there with front door flush one liner straight and ace highs getting there. Good bet by villain
One red flag in this hand is that laggy/splashy players tend to bet their strong draws. They also love to bluff anything they perceive as a scare card. In my opinion, that is often going to rule out him having any kind of combo+flush draw given his passivity in the hand. That means he's only representing a five... but that's suicide considering you have all the good flushes = he's spewtard bluffing.
There's always the clueless player angle (the home game player type that would rip an Ace here no knowing any better)... but based on the hand and player description he doesn't seem the type.
I'm calling. I don't think he's donk jamming a 5, an ace or 77. Doesn't make much sense. It seems like a villain who THINKS he can have tons of flushes without realizing he really can't after raise calling pre and calling a huge turn bet with the ace accounted for.
He has a ton of suited connectors in his range that flat a preflop 3bet. It's also not as good for villain to check raise on this board texture because of 432 on the board. More middling cards would be better since more straights and sets will hit his range. A turn half pot size bet is not huge on a double suited board. Villain is afraid of being checked back to on a draw only board by the river. Honestly, villain outplayed hero because he played well to his range both preflop and postflop and recognized an opportunity to bluff with the board with a flush which he basically only has in his range.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7ux he doesn't have "tons", he has some. As does the hero. The hero also pretty regularly gets here this way with KQs, QJs, KJs, JTs. And look, I was right. A call was correct. Villain played badly and got lucky the runout was so brutal after his horrendous turn call and preflop play.
I do think hero is going to have to call here at some frequency. Since if they only call with flushes and 5x in this spot, they are not going to have many hands to call with. Probably calling JJ-KK with a spade at some frequency is good along with AK with a spade (if it double barrels). The more difficult thing here is that villain has to be finding the creative bluffs here, which many people don't regularly find.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7uxVillain could have been bluffing into the nuts. If you are gonna fold the winner, it's gonna be to this player, no? Can't really call this one lost pot being outplayed.
@@TheNow_Now I've seen people donking "bad" river cards for the aggressor with absolute air all the time these days. It's a classic spot where they know they can do it with value, but don't balance at all and it's hard to river huge hands so they overbluff by a ton.
_i'll go with my comments as the video develops_ PF: 3-bet! ok. I might be going on the larger size ($90). To charge any remaining seats with speculative hands that want to jump in, and V go get cheap with weaker hand. F: good as played T: good as played (to deny pot odds to a combo drawing hand). If V holds a set or overpair this won't do, however, in those cases this helps me get a good read on his hand. If I get raised/jammed then I'd fold (in absence of hand reading); if called then I'd rule out sets. V calls, so: either combo draw or overpair is V possible hand. R: worst card in the deck! Hand reading is crucial here _(this is V profile dependant)_ Q: What bluffs does he have? A: none. Therefore, I FOLD. (I rule out that a weaker overpair (88-JJ) would've called my large turn bet. _will reply to this post after hand has been revealed_
Why do you say no bluffs? His natural bluffing hands are the backdoor clubs/combo draws that missed. I don't think he should show up with 64dd, but why can't he have, say, 86cc?
@@pontus3142 There is no natural combo draw on flop that could bluff river! Talking about normal play. If he is going to fool around with crap (64d or 86d) that would serve him for bluffing purpose only, then I'll let him bluff me this time. Cuz next 5 times I'll be waiting for him around the corner and make him pay me all of this and more! (talking about Long run poker). . EDIT: Forget about backdoor draws...cuz they are invented by losers to justify their looooose play in their own mind only. Runner-runner happens, sure; however, it is not to be counted as a draw. It's a GAMBLING! (means: losing on the long run).
Could not follow the discussion at the flop, because it screamed 65s "fantastic four" with flopped straight, and A5s "catjam" with double straight draw, as very powerful hands the villain had as preflop raiser.
I’ll be honest, with the turn making a double flush draw I am probably just jamming or over betting huge to prevent any draws. There are so many stations at this level that will think they are hero calling with top pair or sometimes even middle pair
Man i gotta be honest i think ya both kinda missed this.... it wreaked of air with some kind of draw or small connection. The spades never made sense here to me unless it was AK and the turn call would definitely be questionable even with AK spades. Its a pot sized 350 dollar bet in 5/5.... we are giving too much credit to these strong starting hands that would have to call all the way to river with nothing. And just so much CALLING by villain! If hes strong thats not the line he would be taking. I thought maybe he had hands he couldnt get away from like maybe JJ or 10,10 which hero beats, but other than that i dunno what hand ya think this guy has with how the turn played out. I just happen to hate villains play also because hes gotta be thinking "is a $1015 all in enough to get this through when hero already put in this much?"
Recently Bart has an awful lot of 'at this level' in the videos. Well the stake level has shown on the screen always, and everyone knows that at different stake level your best strategy should vary, so there is no need to repeat that 10 times per video.
easy call. This player is so bad. He worked you so bad and I love the cope at the end about its "just one of the times he bluffed" "can fold and sleep again" hahaha. That guy is working you at that table so hard. Hes not the fish you are.
A LAG is not folding any hands to a small 3 bet size, smallish bets on early streets will allow them to end up with a larger volume of hands at river to turn into bluffs. The key takeaway is to bet large and charge loose players with your premiums so a portion of their weakest hands can be lopped off. Large bets will reduce SPR as well making it less attractive to bluff at a shallower depth vs. an opponent showing strength.
Do you suggest never taking smaller sizings against these player types so that they play more straightforward?
@@NKKK19If your not prepared to make big calls against those who bluff at a higher frequency then yes I would bet bigger to disincentize them from raising or calling with weak holdings.
If this is how you think you should approach loose aggressive players, you are going to end up getting stuck in positions where you were forced to fold, premium hands and end up losing more money than you should otherwise.
First off, let’s get one thing straight. There is no one type of loose aggressive player. They are on a spectrum. You have to be able to classify what type of player you’re going up against the range of hands they are playing and adapt from there going into a game with the mindset of, I’m gonna do this to a loose aggressive player is absolutely willfully ignorant.
Clearly, a vast majority of you people are just playing the cards and position like a GTO bot. Meanwhile, players like Daniel Phil in the top pros are adapting to who they are playing against in that particular session in that exact moment.
@@gophukyurselvs3621Jfc. What a narcissist.
easy call. This player is so bad. He worked you so bad and I love the cope at the end about its "just one of the times he bluffed" "can fold and sleep again" hahaha. That guy is working you at that table so hard. Hes not the fish you are.
Villain wasnt betting his hand. He was betting against the Hero's hand
It is a good bluff opportunity alright,if hero has AA,he'll call but even then wouldnt be loving it
To be honest, the $350 bet on the turn revealed his cards as an over pair for protection bet; the villain tanked to think up his river bluff.
If the hero bet like $200 I think the villain folds right there because the flush is still in the hero's range.
Can't one make an argument that many players would also bet 350 on the turn with AK or AQ of spades/clubs?
Exactly you can bet there with a flush draw for 350$,I dont fault hero its just that villian saw a tough board for overpairs or even a lone A to call,maybe he knows hero doesnt double barrell flush draws for large amounts aswell.I woulda folded in a shot,cant call every bluff
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@@supersmoo7377 I think I agree with you, on a board like that if you're four to a flush and it hits on the river, that's the end of the action. I would want to get as much money as I could in on the turn without scaring out my opponent's weakest draws, knowing that any betting on the river after the front door gets there is going to be severely curtailed.
You guy make no sense
Betting very large w value on wet dynamic turns especially w two fds on the board is standard heads up in a 3bet pot.
Based on his hand, your fold is correct if you are putting him on those types of low cards. He has a 5 just as much as a miss.
The river is a pure fold, but this hand is an example to why I hate playing big pots with medium strength hands that probably wont improve. Even if you are getting "value" on your bets, you can easily be bluffed off or someone outdraws you.
If the river was the 7 of diamonds I think you wouldn’t have typed this comment or had this sentiment.
Yeah I don’t like betting $350 on the turn vs this type of player that has random spaz bluffs. It bloats the pot going into the river and the caller even said it “half the deck” is bad for his hand. You set yourself up for folding the winner too often, in this case folding cost almost a full buy in.
@@supersmoo7377 You mean if it was the best river possible? Most rivers are very uncomfortable to play. Let's make a list: Any A, any K, any spade, any 5, any 6, any club. And even if none of these come, if your opponent decides to jam, it is a very hard call to make knowing that you are at the absolute bottom of your range and that your opponent might have a very good idea what hand you have.
@@supersmoo7377 If you just check turn for pot control, or bet smaller on both flop and turn (that would be my pick), now its much easier to make a call in the river if a brick comes (or even value bet thin)
agreed... i love calling hands like this down after a bet or 2.... theres just no need for that 2nd bet to be that big compared to pot. Let the spaz spazz out. Be there to catch the punt.
I feel this is where poker players WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY over think and over analyze things. You know he is a splashy guy..you have position..you are calling this guy down. A splashy guy with top pair at min is going to call or raise to see where they are at..its in their inherent nature. Easy call to me..
Catching a LAG Blasting Off is my favorite thing to do. I got my KK all in preflop for 1.2k against AQ off. And even though he spiked an Ace on the flop, I will take being a 70% favorite every time.
Same brother. Villain in my case had a10s and ended up spiking aces full for high hand just yesterday
Wow, you're the only guy to ever get KK all in pre and lose to Ax, sorry man.
wow has this ever happened before? Amazing
you don't catch them pre-flop. you catch them on the river with 46dd, like hero could have done here.
@cj7139 did I say I was? I'm not even bitching. I'll take that call every time. I understand how odds work. 99% doesn't win every time.
From villain perspective the Ace of spades gives the green light to blast a 5.
Yep he saw the prime opportunity and went for it,nice!
This is a snap btw with qs on specifically the As. Its actually a really easy call because its such a "bad card". straight, overpair, flush all get there. You can actually call this really light because villain will have so many hands that want to turn into a bluff. it (mostly) wont be merged as 5x, 2p, even some weak flushes can just go for the bluff catch or win at showdown. villain tanked for 2 mins on turn btw, he just doesn't have that much ts8s, ks5s, 9sjs.
Was in a similar situation, except played the hand a little different. Playing $1/$3NL, I was dealt QhQs in the sb. Action lumps around to the button who raises to $25. I 3-bet to $50, bb and button call going 3-ways to the flop. Flop comes 8h 2h 2d. I act first and lead out for $125. Bb folds and button calls. Turn was 7c. I rip it all in for around $350 effective and button calls. River is the As. Opponent shows pocket 10’s and I scooped a nearly $1k pot. Had I not shoved after the turn, the river would’ve been a scare card. I think hero should’ve shoved after the turn with a bunch of draws on the board.
I never understood the point of a mini raise other then to indicate strength. Nice hit though.
The A of spades is the #1 bluff card that could possibly come against someone who you think is playing a high pocket pair here. The villain know the hero was a thinking player and he took the opportunity to bluff at the best possible bluff card. This should have been a call.
Tough call especially because a bet that size is usually not a bluff at those stakes if people can find bluff shoves like that and get it though props to them for making the ballsy play nothing to do but fold there imo
I play pretty aggressive and am def making this bluff for this size here
I'm making this fold 100% of the time and not losing any sleep over being shown the bluff
I’d love to play against you.
@@Bobventk Everybody loves to play everybody that comments anything, it's incredible
@@gmatsue84 no I’m bad at poker… but better than this guy
@@Bobventk uh huh
@@Bobventk If you're blasting off 200bb bluffing on the river, without blockers to the calling range hands you're an absolute fish. Works this time. Wont work most of the time.
Hawaiian Gardens has the worst blind structures in so-cal especially the lower stakes
having the Qs and the fact that an Ax jamming for value is kinda nuts I might be inclined to hero against this player
This is a good fold by the Hero, Villain is described as a "loose splashy player" but how many hands have you seen where he goes to showdown! Chalk this up to a good bluff and move on!
I think hero played well other than the too small preflop. Don’t think you can call the river there with front door flush one liner straight and ace highs getting there. Good bet by villain
One red flag in this hand is that laggy/splashy players tend to bet their strong draws. They also love to bluff anything they perceive as a scare card. In my opinion, that is often going to rule out him having any kind of combo+flush draw given his passivity in the hand. That means he's only representing a five... but that's suicide considering you have all the good flushes = he's spewtard bluffing.
There's always the clueless player angle (the home game player type that would rip an Ace here no knowing any better)... but based on the hand and player description he doesn't seem the type.
i'm surprised Bart never asked "what would you do with AA here"
Caller needs to understand what a float is
Lucky bluff. He had no idea
He knew it was his only chance of winning this pot and that's it. It's a good read in him next time probably.
This is not luck, hero got outplayed
@scottyrabbit nah sometimes people just bluff and you can't call. Nothing to do with play.
I'm calling. I don't think he's donk jamming a 5, an ace or 77. Doesn't make much sense. It seems like a villain who THINKS he can have tons of flushes without realizing he really can't after raise calling pre and calling a huge turn bet with the ace accounted for.
He has a ton of suited connectors in his range that flat a preflop 3bet.
It's also not as good for villain to check raise on this board texture because of 432 on the board. More middling cards would be better since more straights and sets will hit his range.
A turn half pot size bet is not huge on a double suited board.
Villain is afraid of being checked back to on a draw only board by the river.
Honestly, villain outplayed hero because he played well to his range both preflop and postflop and recognized an opportunity to bluff with the board with a flush which he basically only has in his range.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7ux he doesn't have "tons", he has some. As does the hero. The hero also pretty regularly gets here this way with KQs, QJs, KJs, JTs. And look, I was right. A call was correct. Villain played badly and got lucky the runout was so brutal after his horrendous turn call and preflop play.
I do think hero is going to have to call here at some frequency. Since if they only call with flushes and 5x in this spot, they are not going to have many hands to call with. Probably calling JJ-KK with a spade at some frequency is good along with AK with a spade (if it double barrels).
The more difficult thing here is that villain has to be finding the creative bluffs here, which many people don't regularly find.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7uxVillain could have been bluffing into the nuts. If you are gonna fold the winner, it's gonna be to this player, no? Can't really call this one lost pot being outplayed.
@@TheNow_Now I've seen people donking "bad" river cards for the aggressor with absolute air all the time these days. It's a classic spot where they know they can do it with value, but don't balance at all and it's hard to river huge hands so they overbluff by a ton.
Straight, Smaller flush or pure bluff. I'm calling with the Q. If he shows a K I tap the table and say good hand.
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Yo that thumbnail is funny
at the garden, where i play 5/5 weekly, nobody bluffs on the river with htat board and run out. easy fold
Just gotta tip your cap… Great bluff by the villain!
Bart I like your analysis as always but when we gonna see you playing cash live stream like HCL ang lodge?
_i'll go with my comments as the video develops_
PF: 3-bet! ok. I might be going on the larger size ($90). To charge any remaining seats with speculative hands that want to jump in, and V go get cheap with weaker hand.
F: good as played
T: good as played (to deny pot odds to a combo drawing hand). If V holds a set or overpair this won't do, however, in those cases this helps me get a good read on his hand. If I get raised/jammed then I'd fold (in absence of hand reading); if called then I'd rule out sets. V calls, so: either combo draw or overpair is V possible hand.
R: worst card in the deck! Hand reading is crucial here _(this is V profile dependant)_ Q: What bluffs does he have? A: none. Therefore, I FOLD. (I rule out that a weaker overpair (88-JJ) would've called my large turn bet.
_will reply to this post after hand has been revealed_
64dd...River fold still stays as a long term profitable action, as V's bluff was unreadable to a good poker player.
Why do you say no bluffs? His natural bluffing hands are the backdoor clubs/combo draws that missed. I don't think he should show up with 64dd, but why can't he have, say, 86cc?
@@pontus3142 There is no natural combo draw on flop that could bluff river! Talking about normal play. If he is going to fool around with crap (64d or 86d) that would serve him for bluffing purpose only, then I'll let him bluff me this time. Cuz next 5 times I'll be waiting for him around the corner and make him pay me all of this and more! (talking about Long run poker).
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EDIT: Forget about backdoor draws...cuz they are invented by losers to justify their looooose play in their own mind only. Runner-runner happens, sure; however, it is not to be counted as a draw. It's a GAMBLING! (means: losing on the long run).
I love these videos, but the titles kill me 😂
Could not follow the discussion at the flop, because it screamed 65s "fantastic four" with flopped straight, and A5s "catjam" with double straight draw, as very powerful hands the villain had as preflop raiser.
Yeah it was weird that Bart never discussed villain having A5, which was a real possibility.
The main issue here is the preflop play.
Correct, multiple mistakes compounded due to that poor sizing
Its either a flush or this dudes a floating menace to society
Yes!
Sometimes feel like Bart's analysis is too board/value heavy. Sometimes people get out of line and a lot of the time people aren't anywhere near gto
It amazes me how ignorant people are to GTO
64s wasn’t even on my fucking radar 😂
That hand was known as the Wild Horse nuts. Wild Horse is Indian casino in Phx area.
I’ll be honest, with the turn making a double flush draw I am probably just jamming or over betting huge to prevent any draws. There are so many stations at this level that will think they are hero calling with top pair or sometimes even middle pair
😫that reveal was gross
Easy fold. I don’t care what he showed
If he has 64 of diamonds he can have 5x combos, he can have all the flushes and he can have sets and jam sets since caller only has over pairs
Man i gotta be honest i think ya both kinda missed this.... it wreaked of air with some kind of draw or small connection. The spades never made sense here to me unless it was AK and the turn call would definitely be questionable even with AK spades. Its a pot sized 350 dollar bet in 5/5.... we are giving too much credit to these strong starting hands that would have to call all the way to river with nothing. And just so much CALLING by villain! If hes strong thats not the line he would be taking. I thought maybe he had hands he couldnt get away from like maybe JJ or 10,10 which hero beats, but other than that i dunno what hand ya think this guy has with how the turn played out. I just happen to hate villains play also because hes gotta be thinking "is a $1015 all in enough to get this through when hero already put in this much?"
Recently Bart has an awful lot of 'at this level' in the videos. Well the stake level has shown on the screen always, and everyone knows that at different stake level your best strategy should vary, so there is no need to repeat that 10 times per video.
People repeat things without a "need" all the time. You gotta remember that these videos are not scripted. They're excerpts from a call-in stream.
5:02 _WE bet $100_
So, there were more than one H in this hand?
easy call. This player is so bad. He worked you so bad and I love the cope at the end about its "just one of the times he bluffed" "can fold and sleep again" hahaha. That guy is working you at that table so hard. Hes not the fish you are.
SHOVE ON THE TURN..MY OPINION