Don't Let Loose Aggressive Players Destroy You!
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- In this video, we see how small bets on early streets allowed the villian to end up with a larger volume of hands at river to turn into bluffs. Charging loose players with your premiums for large bets will reduce SPR and make it less attractive to bluff with a shallower stack vs. an opponent showing extreme strength. We also discuss how a river decision can lean a different direction depending on if you think the opponent is polarized or capable of merging value. When the opponent is not always polarized, the decision becomes clearer, as it indicates the opponent might be taking this line with a higher volume of value hands.
In This Video:
Hand Review: Step-by-step analysis of the crucial moments and decisions.
Bet Sizing: Early street small sizing allowed a wide range to end up at river (increasing bluffs)
Value Merging: Understanding the concept and how the adjustment applies to this spot
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0:00 - Intro
2:22 - Preflop
4:49 - Flop
7:32 - Turn
12:22 - River
17:58 - Hero Decision
18:06 - Reveal
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A LAG is not folding any hands to a small 3 bet size, smallish bets on early streets will allow them to end up with a larger volume of hands at river to turn into bluffs. The key takeaway is to bet large and charge loose players with your premiums so a portion of their weakest hands can be lopped off. Large bets will reduce SPR as well making it less attractive to bluff at a shallower depth vs. an opponent showing strength.
Do you suggest never taking smaller sizings against these player types so that they play more straightforward?
@@NKKK19If your not prepared to make big calls against those who bluff at a higher frequency then yes I would bet bigger to disincentize them from raising or calling with weak holdings.
If this is how you think you should approach loose aggressive players, you are going to end up getting stuck in positions where you were forced to fold, premium hands and end up losing more money than you should otherwise.
First off, let’s get one thing straight. There is no one type of loose aggressive player. They are on a spectrum. You have to be able to classify what type of player you’re going up against the range of hands they are playing and adapt from there going into a game with the mindset of, I’m gonna do this to a loose aggressive player is absolutely willfully ignorant.
Clearly, a vast majority of you people are just playing the cards and position like a GTO bot. Meanwhile, players like Daniel Phil in the top pros are adapting to who they are playing against in that particular session in that exact moment.
@@gophukyurselvs3621Jfc. What a narcissist.
Villain wasnt betting his hand. He was betting against the Hero's hand
It is a good bluff opportunity alright,if hero has AA,he'll call but even then wouldnt be loving it
To be honest, the $350 bet on the turn revealed his cards as an over pair for protection bet; the villain tanked to think up his river bluff.
If the hero bet like $200 I think the villain folds right there because the flush is still in the hero's range.
Can't one make an argument that many players would also bet 350 on the turn with AK or AQ of spades/clubs?
Exactly you can bet there with a flush draw for 350$,I dont fault hero its just that villian saw a tough board for overpairs or even a lone A to call,maybe he knows hero doesnt double barrell flush draws for large amounts aswell.I woulda folded in a shot,cant call every bluff
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@@supersmoo7377 I think I agree with you, on a board like that if you're four to a flush and it hits on the river, that's the end of the action. I would want to get as much money as I could in on the turn without scaring out my opponent's weakest draws, knowing that any betting on the river after the front door gets there is going to be severely curtailed.
You guy make no sense
From villain perspective the Ace of spades gives the green light to blast a 5.
Yep he saw the prime opportunity and went for it,nice!
I'm making this fold 100% of the time and not losing any sleep over being shown the bluff
Hawaiian Gardens has the worst blind structures in so-cal especially the lower stakes
The river is a pure fold, but this hand is an example to why I hate playing big pots with medium strength hands that probably wont improve. Even if you are getting "value" on your bets, you can easily be bluffed off or someone outdraws you.
If the river was the 7 of diamonds I think you wouldn’t have typed this comment or had this sentiment.
Yeah I don’t like betting $350 on the turn vs this type of player that has random spaz bluffs. It bloats the pot going into the river and the caller even said it “half the deck” is bad for his hand. You set yourself up for folding the winner too often, in this case folding cost almost a full buy in.
@@supersmoo7377 You mean if it was the best river possible? Most rivers are very uncomfortable to play. Let's make a list: Any A, any K, any spade, any 5, any 6, any club. And even if none of these come, if your opponent decides to jam, it is a very hard call to make knowing that you are at the absolute bottom of your range and that your opponent might have a very good idea what hand you have.
@@supersmoo7377 If you just check turn for pot control, or bet smaller on both flop and turn (that would be my pick), now its much easier to make a call in the river if a brick comes (or even value bet thin)
agreed... i love calling hands like this down after a bet or 2.... theres just no need for that 2nd bet to be that big compared to pot. Let the spaz spazz out. Be there to catch the punt.
Was in a similar situation, except played the hand a little different. Playing $1/$3NL, I was dealt QhQs in the sb. Action lumps around to the button who raises to $25. I 3-bet to $50, bb and button call going 3-ways to the flop. Flop comes 8h 2h 2d. I act first and lead out for $125. Bb folds and button calls. Turn was 7c. I rip it all in for around $350 effective and button calls. River is the As. Opponent shows pocket 10’s and I scooped a nearly $1k pot. Had I not shoved after the turn, the river would’ve been a scare card. I think hero should’ve shoved after the turn with a bunch of draws on the board.
Based on his hand, your fold is correct if you are putting him on those types of low cards. He has a 5 just as much as a miss.
Catching a LAG Blasting Off is my favorite thing to do. I got my KK all in preflop for 1.2k against AQ off. And even though he spiked an Ace on the flop, I will take being a 70% favorite every time.
Same brother. Villain in my case had a10s and ended up spiking aces full for high hand just yesterday
Wow, you're the only guy to ever get KK all in pre and lose to Ax, sorry man.
wow has this ever happened before? Amazing
you don't catch them pre-flop. you catch them on the river with 46dd, like hero could have done here.
@cj7139 did I say I was? I'm not even bitching. I'll take that call every time. I understand how odds work. 99% doesn't win every time.
Tough call especially because a bet that size is usually not a bluff at those stakes if people can find bluff shoves like that and get it though props to them for making the ballsy play nothing to do but fold there imo
I think hero played well other than the too small preflop. Don’t think you can call the river there with front door flush one liner straight and ace highs getting there. Good bet by villain
Yo that thumbnail is funny
This is a good fold by the Hero, Villain is described as a "loose splashy player" but how many hands have you seen where he goes to showdown! Chalk this up to a good bluff and move on!
I'm calling. I don't think he's donk jamming a 5, an ace or 77. Doesn't make much sense. It seems like a villain who THINKS he can have tons of flushes without realizing he really can't after raise calling pre and calling a huge turn bet with the ace accounted for.
He has a ton of suited connectors in his range that flat a preflop 3bet.
It's also not as good for villain to check raise on this board texture because of 432 on the board. More middling cards would be better since more straights and sets will hit his range.
A turn half pot size bet is not huge on a double suited board.
Villain is afraid of being checked back to on a draw only board by the river.
Honestly, villain outplayed hero because he played well to his range both preflop and postflop and recognized an opportunity to bluff with the board with a flush which he basically only has in his range.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7ux he doesn't have "tons", he has some. As does the hero. The hero also pretty regularly gets here this way with KQs, QJs, KJs, JTs. And look, I was right. A call was correct. Villain played badly and got lucky the runout was so brutal after his horrendous turn call and preflop play.
I do think hero is going to have to call here at some frequency. Since if they only call with flushes and 5x in this spot, they are not going to have many hands to call with. Probably calling JJ-KK with a spade at some frequency is good along with AK with a spade (if it double barrels).
The more difficult thing here is that villain has to be finding the creative bluffs here, which many people don't regularly find.
@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWX-fk7uxVillain could have been bluffing into the nuts. If you are gonna fold the winner, it's gonna be to this player, no? Can't really call this one lost pot being outplayed.
@@TheNow_Now I've seen people donking "bad" river cards for the aggressor with absolute air all the time these days. It's a classic spot where they know they can do it with value, but don't balance at all and it's hard to river huge hands so they overbluff by a ton.
Yes!
One red flag in this hand is that laggy/splashy players tend to bet their strong draws. They also love to bluff anything they perceive as a scare card. In my opinion, that is often going to rule out him having any kind of combo+flush draw given his passivity in the hand. That means he's only representing a five... but that's suicide considering you have all the good flushes = he's spewtard bluffing.
There's always the clueless player angle (the home game player type that would rip an Ace here no knowing any better)... but based on the hand and player description he doesn't seem the type.
Just gotta tip your cap… Great bluff by the villain!
@crushlivepoker how do I call in I have a very good hand to go over, 2k pot in 1-3
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Straight, Smaller flush or pure bluff. I'm calling with the Q. If he shows a K I tap the table and say good hand.
Bart I like your analysis as always but when we gonna see you playing cash live stream like HCL ang lodge?
Lucky bluff. He had no idea
He knew it was his only chance of winning this pot and that's it. It's a good read in him next time probably.
The main issue here is the preflop play.
_i'll go with my comments as the video develops_
PF: 3-bet! ok. I might be going on the larger size ($90). To charge any remaining seats with speculative hands that want to jump in, and V go get cheap with weaker hand.
F: good as played
T: good as played (to deny pot odds to a combo drawing hand). If V holds a set or overpair this won't do, however, in those cases this helps me get a good read on his hand. If I get raised/jammed then I'd fold (in absence of hand reading); if called then I'd rule out sets. V calls, so: either combo draw or overpair is V possible hand.
R: worst card in the deck! Hand reading is crucial here _(this is V profile dependant)_ Q: What bluffs does he have? A: none. Therefore, I FOLD. (I rule out that a weaker overpair (88-JJ) would've called my large turn bet.
_will reply to this post after hand has been revealed_
64dd...River fold still stays as a long term profitable action, as V's bluff was unreadable to a good poker player.
Why do you say no bluffs? His natural bluffing hands are the backdoor clubs/combo draws that missed. I don't think he should show up with 64dd, but why can't he have, say, 86cc?
@@pontus3142 There is no natural combo draw on flop that could bluff river! Talking about normal play. If he is going to fool around with crap (64d or 86d) that would serve him for bluffing purpose only, then I'll let him bluff me this time. Cuz next 5 times I'll be waiting for him around the corner and make him pay me all of this and more! (talking about Long run poker).
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EDIT: Forget about backdoor draws...cuz they are invented by losers to justify their looooose play in their own mind only. Runner-runner happens, sure; however, it is not to be counted as a draw. It's a GAMBLING! (means: losing on the long run).
Could not follow the discussion at the flop, because it screamed 65s "fantastic four" with flopped straight, and A5s "catjam" with double straight draw, as very powerful hands the villain had as preflop raiser.
Yeah it was weird that Bart never discussed villain having A5, which was a real possibility.
I’ll be honest, with the turn making a double flush draw I am probably just jamming or over betting huge to prevent any draws. There are so many stations at this level that will think they are hero calling with top pair or sometimes even middle pair
Caller needs to understand what a float is
64s wasn’t even on my fucking radar 😂
That hand was known as the Wild Horse nuts. Wild Horse is Indian casino in Phx area.
😫that reveal was gross
Man i gotta be honest i think ya both kinda missed this.... it wreaked of air with some kind of draw or small connection. The spades never made sense here to me unless it was AK and the turn call would definitely be questionable even with AK spades. Its a pot sized 350 dollar bet in 5/5.... we are giving too much credit to these strong starting hands that would have to call all the way to river with nothing. And just so much CALLING by villain! If hes strong thats not the line he would be taking. I thought maybe he had hands he couldnt get away from like maybe JJ or 10,10 which hero beats, but other than that i dunno what hand ya think this guy has with how the turn played out. I just happen to hate villains play also because hes gotta be thinking "is a $1015 all in enough to get this through when hero already put in this much?"
Recently Bart has an awful lot of 'at this level' in the videos. Well the stake level has shown on the screen always, and everyone knows that at different stake level your best strategy should vary, so there is no need to repeat that 10 times per video.
People repeat things without a "need" all the time. You gotta remember that these videos are not scripted. They're excerpts from a call-in stream.
5:02 _WE bet $100_
So, there were more than one H in this hand?
SHOVE ON THE TURN..MY OPINION