My biggest leak as a low stakes player was hating to lose pots. You have to realize it's inevitable. Once I realized that, being scared to lose any pots because it was costing me large pots, the win rate went up.
For all the players who call in to show off how smart they are, I really appreciate this caller being honest about being nervous and making mistakes and how few hours he’s played.
This caller has a great voice for announcing what happens next in the hand, like there’s suspense and excitement eg “river comes THE JACK OF CLUBS”. He announces it with the suddenness of the way the river card is dealt in a tv presentation
Bart's 100% correct, @ this level, a (bigger) bet/fold flop strategy is a +EV... unless there's a 'slumming pro' that has obfuscated who they are... Betting too small flop incentives too many callers... But I'm Also a huge advocate of being properly bankrolled...? Edit: I just heard the reveal, I'm moderately surprised the button didn't raise the flop/start the semi-bluff? Even if button is called, B has 3 forms of equity.... But I also don't get in H's exact dilemma (anymore)... because of sizing differences...
My initial reaction was to snap this off. The in position player was representing a draw the whole time. If he played a 6 or boat like this, he deserves to get paid. This one absolutely felt like a missed draw that had no showdown value
Could BTN have A6/76/QJ here? Too many options a top pair could lose. . If "Don't be scared" is an advice here, then use it to be aggressive...rather than making a hero call.
Yeah, the button is only going to have some 67 here mostly and that would even likely raise the flop. QJ would likely not bet so large since he’s blocking top pair. This is just a call on the river and if they have it they have it. You’re at the top of your range and you underrepped your hand by betting small and checking turn/river.
The problem here is, in my opinion, not the hand itself at all. That does not mean I think hero played it well, I don't. This sort of timid approach, combined with the intro discussion with Bart, sounds to me like a guy who moved up to higher stakes because he's "supposed" to. I don't think he's comfortable yet though. Taking less rake/drop damage is a good reason to move up as Bart often reminds us, but it's nothing compared to what playing poorly does. In other news; this was a routine call at the end. When you under-represent your hand by this much; you should call down lighter.
I would definitely be implementing a check strategy here on the flop with so many players left to act and look to check raise against worse Qx and flush draws. The turn gets rough if a heart comes but then I think you just try to get to showdown against a Q. But yeah I think this board gets stabbed a ton by all the IP players
The fold is not terrible, but only because the flop and turn play almost ruled out a monster draw by either opponent, plus there is a chance someone sandbagged with a flopped set. Turning a boat or quads while 3-way lets someone take almost any line they choose, and they often err on the side of trapping/inducing. They don't want to scare away anyone who might bet or call the river.
A lot of people would play 5h4h the same way they'd play 9h8h, but this guy was the exception to that rule. At least, I'd hope he would have played 9h8h more aggressively! I'd pay very close attention to this guy in the future, to see if he's simply someone who NEVER gets aggressive with big draws, or whether he rationalized being passive due to how low a flush he'd end up with, or the sucker end of a straight.
It shouldn't be an easy call. It's very rare here for someone to bluff into two players like this. Someone is calling a lot more than both are folding. He's more likely to have QJ/77/76/66 than he is to be bluffing multi-way. You'd have to know this player to be over aggressive for this to be "an easy call".
@ 77/76/66 would fast play at the flop and sometimes also on the river to get stacks in. Button is most likely to bluff all missed flush and straight draws want to steal at that point. There is just way more bluffs than value especially at this situation or it needs to be the omc
@@info7681 That's my point - I do agree that button will typically fast play those hands at flop...my statement stands; even knowing that, button is more likely to have those thick value hands than he is to be bluffing into two people. Bluffing into two people is a mistake at this level - you're getting called by someone. Button is going to lose a lot of money making this move, and not a lot of people have that level of aggression (or balls).
This was poorly played by both the hero and button. Button should've raised turn for sure. So much fold equity after hero checks and +1 bets 1/3 pot. He's the only one that can really rep a 6. As far as hero, I don't hate his line, other than folding river. By checking turn and river, you're inducing enough bluffs from button that you have to stick in the call. I don't love it, but I'm def calling, unless I know the button isn't capable.
Best reply here, nice job. Button waiting till the river to bluff instead of the turn is just an awful play, even worse than hero’s river fold. Leverage your fold equity on the turn and also get more value when you bink the river if you get called. This sounds like a great game but hero needs to stay away from it until he feels comfortable with the stakes to look at his money as chips and not at their financial value. That’s a recipe for bad poker.
My biggest leak as a low stakes player was hating to lose pots. You have to realize it's inevitable. Once I realized that, being scared to lose any pots because it was costing me large pots, the win rate went up.
Learning to fold is a bit of an art. People are so scared to look weak after a fold.
For all the players who call in to show off how smart they are, I really appreciate this caller being honest about being nervous and making mistakes and how few hours he’s played.
This caller has a great voice for announcing what happens next in the hand, like there’s suspense and excitement eg “river comes THE JACK OF CLUBS”. He announces it with the suddenness of the way the river card is dealt in a tv presentation
Thats a call in my book getting to the river this way.
I don't get to the river this way.
how would you get to the river?
@@pot_kivach160 betting the turn, i guess
Very very good quality video. Bart was so on point with his analysis
Bart's 100% correct, @ this level, a (bigger) bet/fold flop strategy is a +EV... unless there's a 'slumming pro' that has obfuscated who they are... Betting too small flop incentives too many callers... But I'm Also a huge advocate of being properly bankrolled...?
Edit: I just heard the reveal, I'm moderately surprised the button didn't raise the flop/start the semi-bluff? Even if button is called, B has 3 forms of equity.... But I also don't get in H's exact dilemma (anymore)... because of sizing differences...
Nice analysis here. Very useful. Thanks.
My initial reaction was to snap this off. The in position player was representing a draw the whole time. If he played a 6 or boat like this, he deserves to get paid. This one absolutely felt like a missed draw that had no showdown value
Yeah I can’t fold given every draw bricks out.
From Button's point of view the caller does not have a hand as strong as AQ since he bet small otf and checked turn.
This is ones of those ones where I'm just gonna go off my reads on btn
Could BTN have A6/76/QJ here? Too many options a top pair could lose.
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If "Don't be scared" is an advice here, then use it to be aggressive...rather than making a hero call.
Yeah, the button is only going to have some 67 here mostly and that would even likely raise the flop. QJ would likely not bet so large since he’s blocking top pair. This is just a call on the river and if they have it they have it. You’re at the top of your range and you underrepped your hand by betting small and checking turn/river.
The problem here is, in my opinion, not the hand itself at all. That does not mean I think hero played it well, I don't. This sort of timid approach, combined with the intro discussion with Bart, sounds to me like a guy who moved up to higher stakes because he's "supposed" to. I don't think he's comfortable yet though. Taking less rake/drop damage is a good reason to move up as Bart often reminds us, but it's nothing compared to what playing poorly does.
In other news; this was a routine call at the end. When you under-represent your hand by this much; you should call down lighter.
I would definitely be implementing a check strategy here on the flop with so many players left to act and look to check raise against worse Qx and flush draws. The turn gets rough if a heart comes but then I think you just try to get to showdown against a Q. But yeah I think this board gets stabbed a ton by all the IP players
If you are going to bet small on flop and turn, you have to be ready to blast off on the river.
Could +1 also have AQ off here? Or does he bet river with AQ off?
we don't bet to see where we're at, but if we bet and find out where we are at ... then we know where we're at
how do you fold here when you are underepping so hard..
The fold is not terrible, but only because the flop and turn play almost ruled out a monster draw by either opponent, plus there is a chance someone sandbagged with a flopped set. Turning a boat or quads while 3-way lets someone take almost any line they choose, and they often err on the side of trapping/inducing. They don't want to scare away anyone who might bet or call the river.
A lot of people would play 5h4h the same way they'd play 9h8h, but this guy was the exception to that rule. At least, I'd hope he would have played 9h8h more aggressively! I'd pay very close attention to this guy in the future, to see if he's simply someone who NEVER gets aggressive with big draws, or whether he rationalized being passive due to how low a flush he'd end up with, or the sucker end of a straight.
One of the early lessons is that playing scared doesn’t save you money - it will cost you more.
Curious why we never discussed check-jamming river as a bluff?
Because very few better hands are folding.
Hero would only be bluffing about $400 into $1000. QJ+ is never folding for that price.
Nor should they because what is hero really repping?
Too much SDV to turn your hand into a bluff, especially against the polarized range button is representing.
Your hand is really disguised this is an easy call
It shouldn't be an easy call. It's very rare here for someone to bluff into two players like this. Someone is calling a lot more than both are folding. He's more likely to have QJ/77/76/66 than he is to be bluffing multi-way. You'd have to know this player to be over aggressive for this to be "an easy call".
@ 77/76/66 would fast play at the flop and sometimes also on the river to get stacks in. Button is most likely to bluff all missed flush and straight draws want to steal at that point. There is just way more bluffs than value especially at this situation or it needs to be the omc
@@info7681 That's my point - I do agree that button will typically fast play those hands at flop...my statement stands; even knowing that, button is more likely to have those thick value hands than he is to be bluffing into two people. Bluffing into two people is a mistake at this level - you're getting called by someone. Button is going to lose a lot of money making this move, and not a lot of people have that level of aggression (or balls).
My gut tells me this is a trivial call but I'm no expert
This was poorly played by both the hero and button. Button should've raised turn for sure. So much fold equity after hero checks and +1 bets 1/3 pot. He's the only one that can really rep a 6. As far as hero, I don't hate his line, other than folding river. By checking turn and river, you're inducing enough bluffs from button that you have to stick in the call. I don't love it, but I'm def calling, unless I know the button isn't capable.
Best reply here, nice job. Button waiting till the river to bluff instead of the turn is just an awful play, even worse than hero’s river fold. Leverage your fold equity on the turn and also get more value when you bink the river if you get called. This sounds like a great game but hero needs to stay away from it until he feels comfortable with the stakes to look at his money as chips and not at their financial value. That’s a recipe for bad poker.
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One of the early lessons is that playing scared doesn’t save you money - it will cost you more.