I’ve been watching the Giants for over 40 years. I actually even went to Phil Simms first start a giant stadium back in 1979 compared to a lot of other franchises, the Giants have had some pretty good fortune at the QB position over that time. The worst stretch was from 1994 to 1998 when we had to suffer through Dave Brown, Danny, Kanell, andKent Graham. The major difference during that time was that we had some really solid defenses. The situation feels much worse now, and rightfully so because from the end of the Jerry Reese into the Gettleman era, the franchises foundation deteriorated so much that by 2021 we had hit rock bottom. I agree that trading for a franchise quarterback is going to be very difficult. I think that the best the Giants can hope for is to find some sort of Kerry Collins type bridge quarterback. Obviously, this is not ideal, but it might be what we’re looking at in the near future.
Mike I disagree with your analysis of the Giants not drafting a QB. They didn't think any of the QBs still on the board at 6 were their guy so they didn't force a QB pick. In 2019, Gettleman forced the pick which put us in the mess we are in now. Forcing another QB pick likely would have resulted in a similar situation and it kind of sounds like you are saying the Giants should have forced a QB pick? Just because you don't currently have a plan at QB long-term doesn't mean you should force a pick in the draft. You will fail with that approach 9.999/10 times.
@@miketoonice Ahh that makes more sense. I think saying you think the Giants should have taken JJ is a better critique than just saying more broadly the Giants should have taken a QB. The way you phrased it, it wasn't clear that you thought any of the QBs that were there were worth the pick. It seemed like you were saying they should have just taken a QB just for the sake of taking one. Agree that Giants need a QB though. Without a real starting QB, we will never have a more of a ceiling than wild card round at best. With that said though, and I think most Giants fans will disagree with me here, if for whatever reason we can't draft a QB next year (i.e. not picking high enough) and there is no good QB options via trade of free agency we still shouldn't reach. I'd rather stay in QB purgatory for a year or two longer rather than draft a lower ceiling QB and be locked into that low ceiling for 4 years only to be back in the same spot. Staying in QB purgatory might be annoying but at some point,: 1)some team that doesn't need a QB will be picking high enough and will be willing to trade back 2) the Giants will pick high enough themselves to get the QB they want 3) there will be a really loaded QB class But you really just can't force a QB pick. To that end, I disagree where you said there is never a perfect prospect so the Giants will need to take a QB eventually. I don't think there's ever been a QB that people thought was for the most part flawless. The NFL has seen enough QB busts to know that. I don't think this is a situation where perfection was the enemy of good enough. I don't think the Giants thought any of the QBs were good enough. But certainly if they see a QB with enough upside they will pull the trigger. they did that with Josh Allen in Buffalo and it seems like they tried doing that with Drake Maye.
Jones was the 2nd best QB prospect in the 2019 draft, that's why they took him at 6. Between 6 & 17 you had like 4 teams that needed QB & they were worried he wouldn't be there. Doubt the Giants were the only team to identify that Jones was better than Haskins & Lock. Problem is that was a 1 QB draft..and that QB went 1st overall.
Great insight onto how the qb can effect the o line and wrs jones getting hurt last year was a big eye opener the personal and coaches keeps changing but there’s been one constant these past 6 years the qb. I even remember daboll having a quote after one of the bad early games I believe it was Seattle where he said something like sometimes sacks aren’t always on the o line. Also I may be crazy but if someone has to get fired for a bad season this year why can’t it be Schoen? Arguably a bottom 10 roster in the nfl and when you look at the impact all pro caliber players they are from Gettleman along with the qb they are now stuck with. At least daboll won coach of the year I see real differences in how the team plays, competes and strategizes on gamedays Daball may not be perfect but he’s done a good job in my opinion and he’s arguably one of the reasons the giants couldn’t get maye coaching so good down the stretch didn’t allow team to give up. If ownership can look at the roster and think the coach is the main issue then it’ll be another 5 to 10 years of bad to mediocre football
I totally agree but thats just how it works. The Head Coach usually goes before the GM, or at the same time. And I do think Daboll being good at his job cost us Drake Maye. Blessing and a curse
Andrew Thomas was out 4 out of the first 5 games with that blocked field goal on first game. So the O-line wasn’t the same for each QB and then you factor Waller not panning out. I realize you’re not a Jones fan, but his “all things worked out like a dream”-2022 - it’s like dude, he’s throwing to Richie James, Tanner Hudson, David Sills…with a barely ok line because Thomas was so good - so what was DJ’s sack rate in 2022? You can’t just say it’s a “rotational thing”.
We will win 2-3 games which may be beneficial. But I can also see us doing that typically Giants thing where we stink, then pull off a few wins to ruin the tank and give bozos false hope, then stink again. We will probably beat Washington and Seattle let’s say for the first 8 weeks to get to 2-6. Then we will go on a 3 game win streak against the Commanders, Panthers, and Buccaneers to bring us up to 5-6. The fan base will go crazy. Then won’t win for the rest of the year going 5-12. It’s the Giants way
Great video, Mike! I'm deathly afraid of DJ ruining another weapon in Nabers and potentially costing another cost his job. The curse will end soon!
I’ve been watching the Giants for over 40 years. I actually even went to Phil Simms first start a giant stadium back in 1979 compared to a lot of other franchises, the Giants have had some pretty good fortune at the QB position over that time. The worst stretch was from 1994 to 1998 when we had to suffer through Dave Brown, Danny, Kanell, andKent Graham. The major difference during that time was that we had some really solid defenses. The situation feels much worse now, and rightfully so because from the end of the Jerry Reese into the Gettleman era, the franchises foundation deteriorated so much that by 2021 we had hit rock bottom. I agree that trading for a franchise quarterback is going to be very difficult. I think that the best the Giants can hope for is to find some sort of Kerry Collins type bridge quarterback. Obviously, this is not ideal, but it might be what we’re looking at in the near future.
Thanks for answering my question Mike, nice video 👍
🤣🤣🤣I entered "Clown show" in RUclips, not looking for football and I got this vdieo, no kidding!! 🤣🤣🤣
there actually is a Joe Judge video with that search
Mike I disagree with your analysis of the Giants not drafting a QB. They didn't think any of the QBs still on the board at 6 were their guy so they didn't force a QB pick.
In 2019, Gettleman forced the pick which put us in the mess we are in now. Forcing another QB pick likely would have resulted in a similar situation and it kind of sounds like you are saying the Giants should have forced a QB pick?
Just because you don't currently have a plan at QB long-term doesn't mean you should force a pick in the draft. You will fail with that approach 9.999/10 times.
I just liked McCarthy more than most Giant fans, that's really the disconnect. I just hope QB is figured out next offseason cause they need it
@@miketoonice Ahh that makes more sense. I think saying you think the Giants should have taken JJ is a better critique than just saying more broadly the Giants should have taken a QB.
The way you phrased it, it wasn't clear that you thought any of the QBs that were there were worth the pick. It seemed like you were saying they should have just taken a QB just for the sake of taking one.
Agree that Giants need a QB though. Without a real starting QB, we will never have a more of a ceiling than wild card round at best.
With that said though, and I think most Giants fans will disagree with me here, if for whatever reason we can't draft a QB next year (i.e. not picking high enough) and there is no good QB options via trade of free agency we still shouldn't reach.
I'd rather stay in QB purgatory for a year or two longer rather than draft a lower ceiling QB and be locked into that low ceiling for 4 years only to be back in the same spot.
Staying in QB purgatory might be annoying but at some point,: 1)some team that doesn't need a QB will be picking high enough and will be willing to trade back 2) the Giants will pick high enough themselves to get the QB they want 3) there will be a really loaded QB class
But you really just can't force a QB pick. To that end, I disagree where you said there is never a perfect prospect so the Giants will need to take a QB eventually. I don't think there's ever been a QB that people thought was for the most part flawless. The NFL has seen enough QB busts to know that. I don't think this is a situation where perfection was the enemy of good enough.
I don't think the Giants thought any of the QBs were good enough. But certainly if they see a QB with enough upside they will pull the trigger. they did that with Josh Allen in Buffalo and it seems like they tried doing that with Drake Maye.
Jones was the 2nd best QB prospect in the 2019 draft, that's why they took him at 6. Between 6 & 17 you had like 4 teams that needed QB & they were worried he wouldn't be there. Doubt the Giants were the only team to identify that Jones was better than Haskins & Lock. Problem is that was a 1 QB draft..and that QB went 1st overall.
Great insight onto how the qb can effect the o line and wrs jones getting hurt last year was a big eye opener the personal and coaches keeps changing but there’s been one constant these past 6 years the qb. I even remember daboll having a quote after one of the bad early games I believe it was Seattle where he said something like sometimes sacks aren’t always on the o line. Also I may be crazy but if someone has to get fired for a bad season this year why can’t it be Schoen? Arguably a bottom 10 roster in the nfl and when you look at the impact all pro caliber players they are from Gettleman along with the qb they are now stuck with. At least daboll won coach of the year I see real differences in how the team plays, competes and strategizes on gamedays Daball may not be perfect but he’s done a good job in my opinion and he’s arguably one of the reasons the giants couldn’t get maye coaching so good down the stretch didn’t allow team to give up. If ownership can look at the roster and think the coach is the main issue then it’ll be another 5 to 10 years of bad to mediocre football
I totally agree but thats just how it works. The Head Coach usually goes before the GM, or at the same time. And I do think Daboll being good at his job cost us Drake Maye. Blessing and a curse
Andrew Thomas was out 4 out of the first 5 games with that blocked field goal on first game. So the O-line wasn’t the same for each QB and then you factor Waller not panning out. I realize you’re not a Jones fan, but his “all things worked out like a dream”-2022 - it’s like dude, he’s throwing to Richie James, Tanner Hudson, David Sills…with a barely ok line because Thomas was so good - so what was DJ’s sack rate in 2022? You can’t just say it’s a “rotational thing”.
go big blue, either way this year we find out if schoen & daboll are actually good this is the make or break year for them for me
11 wins.
Shock the World !!!
Does the schedule release even matter when your QB is ass?
I have us winning 4 games.
Vikings
Commanders once
Panthers
And some random unpredictable win
We will win 2-3 games which may be beneficial.
But I can also see us doing that typically Giants thing where we stink, then pull off a few wins to ruin the tank and give bozos false hope, then stink again.
We will probably beat Washington and Seattle let’s say for the first 8 weeks to get to 2-6. Then we will go on a 3 game win streak against the Commanders, Panthers, and Buccaneers to bring us up to 5-6. The fan base will go crazy. Then won’t win for the rest of the year going 5-12. It’s the Giants way
I predict 6-8 wins
3_14 lol