This guy is playing Persona while not playing Persona but still has to go through the 100 hours to play Persona and that's kinda impressive... Nice video!
This sort of run is pretty common in the smt community and are called "low-level" runs, but I'm pretty sure they usually mod the game so that they can't get exp but can still get money from normal fights.
I love reading the comments I get, and there's a lot of nice and insightful ones out there! The video may be old, but as long as I see comments I think are rad I'll be hearting em!
This might be too easy, but considering how much Confidants give you throughout the game, and wind up being VITAL to many of these P5 challenge runs, lemme ask: Is it possible to beat the game without leveling ANY Confidants? Rules: -Any Confidants that are automatically increased throughout the story (Morgana, Igor, a handful of Party Members getting to level 1 etc.) are allowed, but none else! -DLC isn't allowed -Complete the game on New Game. Probably Merciless.
Although a neat idea, I think it wouldn’t be all too interesting in terms of difficulty. In my Solo Joker/Arsene video, I only completed 3 non forced confidants(Kawakami, Takemi, and Chihaya), and in this video I practically only did party members, so I feel as though it’s definitely possible, and that with those rules as is, there wouldn’t be much of a challenge 😅
@@TatsuHaven I beat the game in Hard NG+ at what _I Believe_ is the minimum possible level. Unless there was an EXP boost I forgot about (I didn't carry over Mishima's Documentary Plans for this reason), I ended with MC at level 75 with 597,094 EXP total. The final levels of the others, in order in the Stats menu, were 70, 69, 72, 72, 74, 72, 77, 77, and 74.
I think I can say that Merciless difficulty in the *original* _Persona 5_ is harder (or at least more grindy) just by itself, let alone low-level style. Primarily because it has an EXP penalty instead of the boost it gives in _Royal._ So, my idea is: what if it's possible to low-level P5R Merciless while constantly editing your save so as to divide newly earned EXP by 3 (which should even out to 40% when applied to the 20% boost, if my math is correct) and reduce levels appropriately? I would try this myself, but of course I'm not willing to get a save editor if it actually costs money (and is apparently the only available software for decrypting and re-encrypting the files, even if another hex editor or something can handle the actual editing).
@@ntrg3248 So, with the announcement of the upcoming PC port for P5R, I feel like it miiiiight potentially become possible to attempt the run by changing the EXP multiplier for Merciless difficulty to 1.2x/120%/etc. to 0.4x/40%/etc.... Also, do you have any idea how significant a difference one's level (dis)advantage impacts damage dealt and received? Here's an explanation from Jack Benci (athough the demonstration may have some missing multipliers, also assuming it's even accurate): ruclips.net/video/iDyobflWK9s/видео.html
My speculation is that Maruki is somewhere between level 85 and 90 (possibly one of those two exactly). My reasoning: -The true final boss of Persona 4 (and P4 Golden) is level 90. -The highest-level shadow in Maruki's palace is Fafnir at 86 (both savage shadow and will seed guardian forms), which is pretty close to both the numbers I speculated. (Although, if he's somewhere in between, he wouldn't be the first SMT final boss whose level is neither 99 nor a high multiple of 5; the first instance of such a boss that comes to my mind is the true final boss of _Strange Journey Redux,_ who is level 88 for some reason).
Can You Beat Persona 5 Royal as an Pacifist ? 1: Tutorials or some FORCED fights where you cant negotiate are allowed 2: No killing ennemies always either Recrute them Get Money Or Get An Object (No Insta Kill Ryuji Abillity it doesnt mean you are not allowed to rank up with ryuji, just never use Insta Kill) 3: Do It On Hard (Because doing it on Merciless would be impossible) 4: If you break an rule then either die or restart last checkpoint 5:No sacrificing Personas, fusing them etc (Because it Kills them!!)
I don't think you should exclude ambushes in this challenge, because even if a person, either casual or not doesn't like to grind, occasionally they'll face regular minions even when trying to avoid them, and since it's not on purpose, shouldn't count as grind
yes, i've done that easily with my second playthrough, if you play smart it's actually easy as fuck, tho in the very first run i remember i had to grind a lot in a pair of occasion, so yeah i think it's a matter of knowing the game first
@@minefish P4G was just a generally simpler game in comparison to P5, and as such the bosses weren’t too complex either. A lot of P5’s bosses required me to retry the battle at least once (and in the case of okumura, many times) and since I was still new to persona I didn’t understand fusion that much so I didn’t get to make that many overpowered personas. For a beginner I’d say P4G is easier but for experienced players P5 would probably be easier.
I've seen a run of _Persona 4 Golden_ that was done on Very Hard, with only mandatory battles fought (meaning only Izanagi was available since there are no forced battles that trigger Shuffle Time). And only the protagonist gained EXP from each battle until ~maybe the fourth dungeon boss. Sadly, the runner seems to have deleted the channel...but I at least have their saves. :) A lot of it was done by using fixed-damage items (since the dealt damage with both the level penalty and the Damage Given modifier set to Less is horrendous), Physical/Magic Mirrors (since the Damage Received modifier being set to More amplifies reflects), and high evasion with Super Sonic items and Masukunda from Kanji (available at Emperor rank 4). The lategame relied on Barbaric Bracers from rare chests in a late dungeon, as well as several party members' unique abilities in the third semester. It was pretty crazy to see that done, and I'm currently not in a position to record challenge runs myself (due to being away from home for weeks at a time). In the meantime, I've been doing a mandatory-battles-only playthrough on Very Easy by myself; it's actually more challenging than it seems on paper, since the level gap still means that the party members take a lot more damage (although most attacks are usually survivable, unlike on Very Hard). On the upside, the party still deals reasonable damage even *with* the level gap (so far).
Wait… you were supposed to grind? I guess merciless has the 1.2x EXP gain but still, apparently I not only didn’t know I was on Merciless until Shido, but I didn’t even know I was supposed to be grinding 🙈
I just went with the grinding = no unnecessary battles / no extra EXP route of thinking, but the grinding = “repetitive actions” way is valid too. I stayed away from Mishima’s confidant to minimize exp gain though and just stuck to in-party party member confidants/3rd semester confidants. Probs should’ve called this a Low Level run instead but that that idea didn’t come to me til months later. Funny enough doing Ryuji’s confidant and getting instakill made going through mementos kind of funny cuz I had to avoid instakill-ing shadows and having to reset lol
It's been a couple months so memory may be hazy, but the beginning of the game forces u into a few battles that u can get personas from(Pixie Bicorn Pyro Jack and of course Arsene) so I believe I just kept fusing and resummoning them to get more personas.
Grinding is a major part of what ? ... who the f* grinds in Persona (3-5R) or Xenoblade ? those people need to get slapped in the face because they didnt understand the game mechanics ... there is no need to grind in those games But its a good Challenge for non speedrunners , so good job ! about Rule 1 : if you avoid every single non forced fight , how do you even recruit any demons ... now i consider grinding as a method that describes mindlessly slaughtering the same enemies over and over again , just for the sake of getting exp / money and so on ... so you could still allow sidequesting if you avoid all encounters and dont recruit any personas , thats not just "no Grinding" , thats also a "no recruit" challenge ... so what im trying to say : in a non grind challenge , you would still have the right to be encountered and recruit personas , but you would have to flee because you wouldnt be allowed to kill anything .
Ngl I fought Madarame's Blacksmith on Hard NG+, although trying to not use carry-over equip/weapond (Right after u recruit Yusuke) And if it wasn't for NG money to buy a shitload of Goth mommy medicine, and me having Tarunda and Mafubu, I prob woulda gotten stuck That goddamn miniboss oneshots anything unless debuffed
"And Morgana gets asphalted" That's a gold line right there
Along with buff pitbull, although I've just been calling shido Andrew Tate
Hmm what is grinding
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This guy is playing Persona while not playing Persona but still has to go through the 100 hours to play Persona and that's kinda impressive...
Nice video!
“So I’ll have to be very caref-OH MY GOD HE’S DEAD”
I’m dead watching that part! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 11:40
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Great run nice to see this game still has challenges done on it
The one time Merciless difficulty is actually harder than Hard difficulty💀
Actually, without a boost to Baton Pass his DPS could've been not big enough to finish bosses before he runs out of hp
great video, but there is a severe lack of fuuka yamagishi in this video. my lawyers WILL hear about this.
This sort of run is pretty common in the smt community and are called "low-level" runs, but I'm pretty sure they usually mod the game so that they can't get exp but can still get money from normal fights.
Your writing is impressive, simply amazing
I"m amazed you"re STILL hearting comments
I love reading the comments I get, and there's a lot of nice and insightful ones out there! The video may be old, but as long as I see comments I think are rad I'll be hearting em!
Great video, kept it interesting with the dialogue and props for making a long game into a shorter video!
Knowing more about the Personas you had would be interesting for this, honestly.
How would he capture any personas if he isn't allowed to fight?
@@cooltwittertag And yet he still had other Personas.
@@bobosmith101 that's what im confused abt as well
@@cooltwittertag The game forces you to capture pixie, and you can fuse up from there
@@cyberm1037So he just fused Pixie and kept summoning old personas to re-fuse them into new results? Kinda creative.
Literally just subscribed today and then this video was uploaded-
Amazing , i love persona 5 challenge , the gameplay in this game is legends
man i kinda look like Kenji Tomochika From Shin Megami Tensei Persona 3 FES
This might be too easy, but considering how much Confidants give you throughout the game, and wind up being VITAL to many of these P5 challenge runs, lemme ask: Is it possible to beat the game without leveling ANY Confidants?
Rules:
-Any Confidants that are automatically increased throughout the story (Morgana, Igor, a handful of Party Members getting to level 1 etc.) are allowed, but none else!
-DLC isn't allowed
-Complete the game on New Game. Probably Merciless.
OH YEAH! Run ends upon killing Yaldabaoth! (No Confidants means no Royal ending)
Although a neat idea, I think it wouldn’t be all too interesting in terms of difficulty. In my Solo Joker/Arsene video, I only completed 3 non forced confidants(Kawakami, Takemi, and Chihaya), and in this video I practically only did party members, so I feel as though it’s definitely possible, and that with those rules as is, there wouldn’t be much of a challenge 😅
I thought you did more than that... Hmmm...
MoogleBoss beat the original Persona 5 with no fusion and no social links. The social links are literally optional so the answer is always yes
@@TatsuHaven I beat the game in Hard NG+ at what _I Believe_ is the minimum possible level. Unless there was an EXP boost I forgot about (I didn't carry over Mishima's Documentary Plans for this reason), I ended with MC at level 75 with 597,094 EXP total. The final levels of the others, in order in the Stats menu, were 70, 69, 72, 72, 74, 72, 77, 77, and 74.
Just found the channel and I'm for sure sticking around!
Your videos are pretty good, surprised you don't have more subs
Agreed.
I think I can say that Merciless difficulty in the *original* _Persona 5_ is harder (or at least more grindy) just by itself, let alone low-level style. Primarily because it has an EXP penalty instead of the boost it gives in _Royal._ So, my idea is: what if it's possible to low-level P5R Merciless while constantly editing your save so as to divide newly earned EXP by 3 (which should even out to 40% when applied to the 20% boost, if my math is correct) and reduce levels appropriately?
I would try this myself, but of course I'm not willing to get a save editor if it actually costs money (and is apparently the only available software for decrypting and re-encrypting the files, even if another hex editor or something can handle the actual editing).
Merciless is still easier in vanilla 5 because the damage boosts from crits and weaknesses are too powerful.
@@ntrg3248 So, with the announcement of the upcoming PC port for P5R, I feel like it miiiiight potentially become possible to attempt the run by changing the EXP multiplier for Merciless difficulty to 1.2x/120%/etc. to 0.4x/40%/etc....
Also, do you have any idea how significant a difference one's level (dis)advantage impacts damage dealt and received? Here's an explanation from Jack Benci (athough the demonstration may have some missing multipliers, also assuming it's even accurate): ruclips.net/video/iDyobflWK9s/видео.html
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 If that's a rickroll, you're dead.
Really like your content keep it up
Great video, keep up the good content.
Imagine grinding in any smt
real question is, what was the level gap with maruki
My speculation is that Maruki is somewhere between level 85 and 90 (possibly one of those two exactly).
My reasoning:
-The true final boss of Persona 4 (and P4 Golden) is level 90.
-The highest-level shadow in Maruki's palace is Fafnir at 86 (both savage shadow and will seed guardian forms), which is pretty close to both the numbers I speculated.
(Although, if he's somewhere in between, he wouldn't be the first SMT final boss whose level is neither 99 nor a high multiple of 5; the first instance of such a boss that comes to my mind is the true final boss of _Strange Journey Redux,_ who is level 88 for some reason).
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 correct, Maruki is at around Level 90
I love octopath traveler but i cant bring my self to grind my characters all the way uo to where they need to be
8:53 i nearly spit my drink lmfao
Just subscribed! Great video man!
I always go for null phys, but now I’m realizing rpl phys really is the way to go
So this is just a “can I beat this persona game with only mandatory fights”
Honestly, probs should’ve titled it that or “Low Level Run”
Ann supped up by the Jazz Club is scary.
Can You Beat Persona 5 Royal as an Pacifist ?
1: Tutorials or some FORCED fights where you cant negotiate are allowed
2: No killing ennemies always either Recrute them Get Money Or Get An Object (No Insta Kill Ryuji Abillity it doesnt mean you are not allowed to rank up with ryuji, just never use Insta Kill)
3: Do It On Hard (Because doing it on Merciless would be impossible)
4: If you break an rule then either die or restart last checkpoint
5:No sacrificing Personas, fusing them etc (Because it Kills them!!)
I somewhat did this on my first play though because grinding is boring and I struggled on shido and couldn’t get to the final boss in vanilla
My first ever persona 5 playtrough in a nutshell:
P5R Ultimate challenge:
-Merciless
-Joker Only
-Only weak personas (like Arsene, Pixie and Pyro Jack)
-No healing items
-No guard
-No buffs (except for the required ones)
-No grinding
-No Items
-Stock equipment
-No Accessories
-No Confidants (except for Sae, Igor, Sumire, Akechi and Maruki)
-No New Game+
-No Weaknesses (unless it's required)
-No Skill cards
-No treasures
-No EXP boost
-No social stat raises (except for required ones)
-No Will Seeds
-No All-Out Attacks
-No Showtime
-No Upgrades
it is possible, because i just didn't grind in my original playthrough
Please do a challange run on persona Q or Q2. NOBODY EVER covers those games, and they really need coverage!
I don't think you should exclude ambushes in this challenge, because even if a person, either casual or not doesn't like to grind, occasionally they'll face regular minions even when trying to avoid them, and since it's not on purpose, shouldn't count as grind
Love your vids
This video is really like yourbudtevin's challenge videos and I don't know why
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I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this to you, but you could have used the fusion alarm by ranking up your bond with the fortune teller
Don't you have to go into mementos for that?
@@minefish yeah, the fusion alarm perk is after the mementos request.
U have to go to mementos and beat a request to unlock her confidant
yes, i've done that easily with my second playthrough, if you play smart it's actually easy as fuck, tho in the very first run i remember i had to grind a lot in a pair of occasion, so yeah i think it's a matter of knowing the game first
me after i miss an achievement during my second play through
gotta love the dry humor
I’d love to see a P4 challenge run, it’s the easiest game in the series IMO so it’ll be cool to see how you make a challenge out of it
coming soon :)
although it'll be more fun/interesting than challenging, but I do have a hard one planned soon, potentially streamed as well!
Is P4 the easiest gane in the series, i thought that was P5
@@minefish P4G was just a generally simpler game in comparison to P5, and as such the bosses weren’t too complex either. A lot of P5’s bosses required me to retry the battle at least once (and in the case of okumura, many times) and since I was still new to persona I didn’t understand fusion that much so I didn’t get to make that many overpowered personas. For a beginner I’d say P4G is easier but for experienced players P5 would probably be easier.
@@bradyp634 ok
I've seen a run of _Persona 4 Golden_ that was done on Very Hard, with only mandatory battles fought (meaning only Izanagi was available since there are no forced battles that trigger Shuffle Time). And only the protagonist gained EXP from each battle until ~maybe the fourth dungeon boss. Sadly, the runner seems to have deleted the channel...but I at least have their saves. :)
A lot of it was done by using fixed-damage items (since the dealt damage with both the level penalty and the Damage Given modifier set to Less is horrendous), Physical/Magic Mirrors (since the Damage Received modifier being set to More amplifies reflects), and high evasion with Super Sonic items and Masukunda from Kanji (available at Emperor rank 4). The lategame relied on Barbaric Bracers from rare chests in a late dungeon, as well as several party members' unique abilities in the third semester. It was pretty crazy to see that done, and I'm currently not in a position to record challenge runs myself (due to being away from home for weeks at a time).
In the meantime, I've been doing a mandatory-battles-only playthrough on Very Easy by myself; it's actually more challenging than it seems on paper, since the level gap still means that the party members take a lot more damage (although most attacks are usually survivable, unlike on Very Hard). On the upside, the party still deals reasonable damage even *with* the level gap (so far).
Holy crap how don’t you have more subs
P5 is def easier considering how easy p5 is but on p3 and p2 I feel this would be near impossible
I wonder is okumura would have been possible on hard mode
Ohya would be preety good in this run only
Wait… you were supposed to grind? I guess merciless has the 1.2x EXP gain but still, apparently I not only didn’t know I was on Merciless until Shido, but I didn’t even know I was supposed to be grinding 🙈
Gotta love minimum battles runs
I’m kinda wondering if hard mode is “harder” than *MERCILESS*
technically yes, since merciless in royal gives you a 1.2x exp multiplier along with tripling the damage from technical, weakness and critical attacks
I never did any grinding ever
Wait what is lvl gab with maruki?
how can you achieve 999 hp joker without grinding enemies?
can u do beating Persona 5 with only Morgana
No shit bruh. Royal is even easier than base 5.
Oh that's why I get stuck
well the answer is yes
What’s the song playing during kamoshida castle
Or through the entire video lmaoo
The answer is out right no
Yeahhhhhh…… Xenoblade 1 has like no grinding
pretty sure upgrading confidants counts as grinding and gives you benefits to make the run easier
I just went with the grinding = no unnecessary battles / no extra EXP route of thinking, but the grinding = “repetitive actions” way is valid too. I stayed away from Mishima’s confidant to minimize exp gain though and just stuck to in-party party member confidants/3rd semester confidants.
Probs should’ve called this a Low Level run instead but that that idea didn’t come to me til months later.
Funny enough doing Ryuji’s confidant and getting instakill made going through mementos kind of funny cuz I had to avoid instakill-ing shadows and having to reset lol
Wait u were supposed to grind
Me: _Tries to make this challenge_
God: :/
How did you recruit new Personas without fighting them?
It's been a couple months so memory may be hazy, but the beginning of the game forces u into a few battles that u can get personas from(Pixie Bicorn Pyro Jack and of course Arsene) so I believe I just kept fusing and resummoning them to get more personas.
@@TatsuHaven
Ok cool. I might wanna try this challenge
10:19 💀
Ah, the pacifist run.
But... It isn"t
Grinding is a major part of what ? ... who the f* grinds in Persona (3-5R) or Xenoblade ? those people need to get slapped in the face because they didnt understand the game mechanics ... there is no need to grind in those games
But its a good Challenge for non speedrunners , so good job !
about Rule 1 : if you avoid every single non forced fight , how do you even recruit any demons ...
now i consider grinding as a method that describes mindlessly slaughtering the same enemies over and over again , just for the sake of getting exp / money and so on ... so you could still allow sidequesting
if you avoid all encounters and dont recruit any personas , thats not just "no Grinding" , thats also a "no recruit" challenge ...
so what im trying to say : in a non grind challenge , you would still have the right to be encountered and recruit personas , but you would have to flee because you wouldnt be allowed to kill anything .
bro wrote an essay for a video she didnt watch
have you heard of forced personas like pixie, pyro jack, and arsene just fuse them summon them again and fuse mord
Well considering that I didn't on my first play through yes I think you can.....(and I was on hard)
Oh you mean Any Fight ok that doesn't count
Ngl I fought Madarame's Blacksmith on Hard NG+, although trying to not use carry-over equip/weapond
(Right after u recruit Yusuke)
And if it wasn't for NG money to buy a shitload of Goth mommy medicine, and me having Tarunda and Mafubu, I prob woulda gotten stuck
That goddamn miniboss oneshots anything unless debuffed