Machining a Wood Lathe Spindle Ep. 1
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- This is the first video in a short series involving machining a new spindle for a Jet wood lathe. In this first video we'll get the shaft measured, drawing made, then get out roughed out using the Precision Matthews lathe.
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That’s amazing, what a fine example of Good traditional American craftsmanship by a real genuine third Generation talented Machinist. This will never be replicated by a robot or computer. The part can, sure. But not the ingenuity,heritage, prestige and pride of quality craftsmanship seen in this little video right here.
Thank you for sharing this with the world Adam. Skill sets like this are not growing and expanding as well as it was 20 yrs ago. The technology has definitely improved and things change. But this type of ownership in quality work takes years to Acquire and hone. It’s leaders such as yourself that will pass along that spark that ignites the interest and enthusiasm which will drive the next generation into inspiring others carrying on a skilled trade that will always have a place in our society’s. Good work on all fronts, video editing, machining, explaining, and inspiring.
These kind of videos is Adam at his best.
Adam, aside from being a highly accomplished machinist you are also a great teacher. Thank you for taking the time to show the how it is done.
Indeed 👍
This is just the kind of work that made Adam a big name in RUclips machining, albeit on a much smaller scale, but with the added bonus of many years of experience in video, editing, and narration. This is some primo manual machining content, right here!
Commenters here: Boo hoo Adam doesn't do manual projects anymore, he only does CNC advertising.
Also Commenters here: Boo hoo why is Adam machining a part when he can just buy one.
Honestly you people will hate what Adam does no matter what.
Spot on they are called TROLLS they don't have the intelligence to be constructive they throw their ignorance out there for responses.
It's worth mentioning that a piece of paper in a normal office printer, that piece of paper is four-thousandths of an inch thick. Adam is just "casually" getting accuracies that are 1/8th the thickness of a piece of paper on the first try! This is such an impressive casual use of expertise. Adam: You make something so very difficult look so easy, and that's how I know how good you are at this. Thanks so much for posting and sharing your impressive skills with us!
The hole through the spindle is a knockout hole to remove that morse taper tooling. My Jet wood lathe came with a knockout rod. Thanks for the video!
Adam mentions that he is not sure why there is an under cut - thinking about it I guess it is to make the bearing install easy. I hate all the trolls if you dont like the channel just leave and keep your negative to yourself. I have been watching Adams journey for years and still find it interesting skills that I dont have.
my trade was electrician, i read/wrote/modified ladder diagrams for machines, used on docks and ports. similar concept to g code and cnc. It was boring and i could fall asleep without ever dreaming for a second it was fun or exciting. Manual machining is slower, dangerous, satisfying, and skilful, with thinking involved. Thank you Adam for every statement and action, you are giving us your time and attention which is priceless and irreplaceable. I and all the silent people appreciate it. thank you Sir, Great video and be proud!
Just switch to AWL (like in Siemens stuff), pure code programming with function modules and take some breaks, asking your colleagues if you can install some cable, do wiring, etc. With that kind of electricians work also mechanical work is involved. Drilling, cutting and bending sheets, filing, making brackets and building cable guides. Set up control cabinets mechanically and electrically. Everyone needs some variety and I understand your suffering, which hurts my heart.
Oh and you wrote "my trade WAS", so you are in pension? Never to late that Santa brings a drill press or the easter bunny lays some woodworking-goodie-eggs. Have a good one and greetings from Germany, neighbor(... Ireland?) :)
Hey Abom, love the video! The hole drilled all the way through is used for knocking out a center mounted in the morse taper. Wood lathes come with a long rod for this purpose. Thank you for sharing something wood related! Always a pleasure watching you work!
Abom you make some of the most relaxing Shop work videos out there, its a joy to watch you work on something this good!
The CNC stuff is neat but I really like the manual lathe and shaper work. Never got to take metal shop in school for various reasons and I've really been enjoying watching the machining you and others do in these videos.
Nice GE Vortalex fan you have on the desk. It is amazing how they built things back then to last forever.
Great video, Adam. Good to see you helping some of your viewers out with their needs. We all benefit.
Great start Adam. If I was doing it, I don't want to think how bad it would be. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
I do love watching the manual lathe work. Nicely done Adam and thanks.
The through hole serves 2 purposes. One is so that you can use a knock out rod to remove a center from the Morse taper, and another is so that you can use a vacuum chuck adapter on the lathe.
I also presume you could use it to machine long dowel rods that are too long to fit between centers too.
Adam, double check the thread specs. According to the Jet JWL-1642EVS manual shown on manualslib the spindle nose is 1-1/4" x 8 T.P.I (page 7)
1-1/4 x 8tpi is the most common mount for small chucks and lathe accessory's. Good catch!
Loved this content! Really liked seeing the granite surface plate in action and the technical drawing you made before starting work on the project.
Always impressed by the journey of precision. Excellent filming. Thanks!
I realize that Adam is going through a whole lot of effort to show us what is necessary to perform a proper inspection and layout of a part. That being said, the WOOD lathe that this is going to go on probably never had this degree of care when it was being manufactured.
Probably going to be one of the truest JET wood lathes ever made.
And you got a problem with that?
My wood lathe and chuck can archieve runout smaller than 5/100mm when precautious. Minimising runout is also prevalent for woodturning.
Excellent video as always Adam! Good explanation of the 'order of operations' which is what many new to turning may have a difficult time with. Also a really good explanation of how to make measurements on what may seem like a simple part. There are many features that are critical and others which are not. I know from experience on worn out or weaker lathes that the order of operations needed to maintain accuracy may be quite a bit different though. Also really like the side job of cleaning out the chip pan, sump, and refreshing the coolant. Well done!
Nice work Adam. I think you're at your best when you're doing manual lathe work.
@Abom79, you should make yourself something to block the chips and coolant from splashing all over the place while turning.
Kurtis from Cutting Edge Engineering made something out of a thin piece of metal plate or plastic that's like 2" wide by 4" to 5" inches long that attached to the end of Noga Flex Arm that he puts to the side of tool to block the coolant & chips from flying all over.
Also great to see the Surface Plate and your height gauge get some use in a video. 👍👍
Commenting @22:40 into the video. Love how you are showing your skill, knowledge and passion for machining!! It's great to see the Abom manual machining videos again!!
It’s really nice to see you do an old school manual turning video. I’m happy for you that the shop is booming with cnc tools, but I always loved the shaper and turning vids the most
has he even turned on the CNC lathe?
@@osgeldYes he has operated all of them and when appropriate used them for mass production, but only a complete fool or someone who knows nothing about machining would set up a CNC for a one-off part like the one shown in this video.
It is always satisfying to watch your precision work on the lathe, Adam. It appears the PM does a great job - because you take good care of it. Thanks for sharing.
Hi everyone watching from Lincolnshire UK 🇬🇧 - looking forward to some manual machining 😁
Cardiff boi ere lol, I love abom!!
@@janedoe-ch4hv I'm from the other side of the Severn bridge originally, Bristol small world 🌍😁
I started to watch this video late night in Hungarian time, and now I continue to watch it in the morning.
Excellent part to showcase. I like the metrology and the sketching. And the variety of types of operations. Thanks for the manual machining. Personally I don't get much from the CNC stuff. I have all manual machines. I like watching the CNC stuff, but learn more stuff useful to me from the manual work.
Always love the videos here. Love the metrology room! Nice shop you have
I am quite sure that thread is 1 1/4 by 8. That is the standard on wood lathes except for Oneway lathes. All the 1 1/4 lathes I know of are pitched at 8 TPI. Edit - just checked the manual for that machine, and the spindle is 1 1/4 by 8 TPI
That is exactly right and it is listed on page 7 in the manual. Anyone can view the Jet JWL-1642EVS manual online at manualslib.
Nice work.
I'm waiting the second part.
John Grizopoulos retired machinist from Greece.
Sam times remember the old days .
I've been subbed for years and man I love how much your business has grown! Your inspection room is beautiful, I'd make that my second bedroom if I were you.
Adam, great job explaining how you make the piece.
That is a really good turning video! what a really nice lathe too! Personally, I would rough turn the same as your method but finish off between centers to make sure everything is concentric. That was the way I always have done it but we all have our ways of doing things.
Love the work and the precision you make from it wonderful to watch.
For me this is the best video since you set up the new shop! Especially liked the metrology section
I love watching you do amazing things Adam thank you
Those heigh gauges are awesome. Preparing sketches are a significant additional time taken - but - I love 'em.
It's important to be precise. It all comes down to precision. Really is great to see the precise measurements. That's why Adam is so good at what he does so good. He takes extra time checking, n double checking every piece he cuts. Just like a carpenter measure twice cut once. Their is a madness to his method, but it works. Really nice start on the shift you're duplicating.
love watching the cutting of metal
The new machines are nice, but I like the older lathes... the Monarch being my personal favorite... don't know why... I just like it...
Absolutely great video. This is what I subscribed to long ago....🙂
On a wood lathe, the hole through the spindle is to allow the user to use a rod to drive out the center inserted into the #2 Morse taper.
Thanks for the show Adam
Adam I believe the thru hole in spindle is so you can put a rod in there to drive out the mt2 center
Or to run a treaded rod as a drawbar to pull a tool tight to the taper, as is done on the quills of milling machines.
You would be one amazing teacher. not my line of work But watching you it would be easy and fun. Thank you.
Nice project. We shared this video on our homemade tools forum this week 😎
Very educational video, very technical congrats 👏 👍 🙌 😀
I love these kinds of videos, manually machining complex parts.
I'm not a machinist, but I can tell that your P-M lathe's a sweet machine. As a scientist, I really enjoyed seeing you make all those measurements. I believe that you said you were going to take your hand-drafted spec and enter it into a CNC modeling program. That would be excellent practice for you. However, let me suggest a further learning exercise. On one of your CNC tools, like your mill, see if you can make an inspection/certification program for your finished product, using a Renishaw or other probe. For this one project this would just be for learning, but later your new measurement software could evolve into a whole bunch of useful subprograms to use on more critical and complex projects. If you do these little learning projects one step at a time while doing real machining, pretty soon you'll become a true CNC programming sensei.
Glad to see things going so well...
Love the long videos
So satisfying
Simply amazing, you make this look soooooo easy, it's not fare!!!!🤣😅😂
Did you misspeak when you said it was 7 TPI? The standard I'm aware of for wood lathes is 8 TPI in either one inch, or inch and a quarter.
This would be a great project to put into your CNC, Jet lathes are renowned for bent spindle shafts, I am not sure if they ae made that way or wear and tear cause it. Other jet users that know you can quickly make these would know where to come to get a replacement as Jet charge a lot to replace the spindle shaft.
Someone else posted that the replacement shaft sells for $187, that means it's probably manufactured in some third world country that pays pauper wages. It's hard to compete with that.
@SteveColluns-hm2xx he's learning. Programing cnc is a lot different than using cell phone or computer
@SteveColluns-hm2xx plus he doesn't own those machines. They are on loan to him so he has every right to be scared of screwing them up.
@@SteveColluns-hm2xxanother Saturday, more Crying from little Butthurt Steve.
You do realize the majority of the work done on a cnc won't be put on RUclips at the customer's request right?
I always laugh because your "rough ins" are better than my finish cuts lol
Great video Adam. Thanks
GREAT VID. . .LEARNED.SOMETHING. .. THNX ADAM .. BEST TO U AND ABBY.
Love old school machining.
G'day Adam. The Starrett Block is an awesome size, allowing to place your tools & do your measurements on it. I like your measuring techniques, which turned out well.
The shaft is coming out very well, with nice setup & workmanship.
Excellent video, catch you on the next segment
I like watching the CNC stuff AND the manual work! I learned the beginnings of Machining in Jr College back in '78 or so. Our 3-axis "CNC" machine was ancient even then. Had to code by typing, then sending THAT to a machine that punched a stack of IBM cards, and THOSE went to ANOTHER machine that punched a paper tape! You can imagine one tiny mistake anywhere ruined the whole process... As could one stray punchout from the tape! My first try failed at the very last "Z+" command. Opened the machine and the bottom had about a half inch of them...
@ ~4:00 is that through hole possibly for a drawbar for a collet chuck (same part might be used on a small metal lathe)?
Great video, enjoyed demonstration on surface block procedure. Some good camera work, all in all a good effort. Thanks for taking the time. Pat on the back to the cleaning guy
I really dig that PM lathe. Seems really nice compared to even an older mori seiki. The MS I use at work sounds like its about to blow apart above 1000 rpm. Ik the Mori can probably take a bigger cut but a few more roughing passes isnt going to really matter.
Excellent work and well explained.Thank you,Adam.
Adam, I was watching this video and don't ask me how or why but a thought popped into my mind. What's happening with that piece of property next to a creek coming or have done anything with it? I remember you had some pretty good plans, how about an update.
Part 2 man, perfection
oh boy! Nice long video again!!! Cool project
Great one Adam, just like the old days 👍🏻
Nice Work Adam. Funny coincidence, another RUclips machining channel I watch, "Max Grant Swan Valley Machine Shop" Posted a wood late spindle build video today too.
Method question: when you were roughing the longer part of the shaft (i.e. the non-chuck side), why didn't you just rough the whole length to the largest diameter to start with? Then work towards the smaller diameters?
32:22 look at that diagram. So clean and precise. A beautiful thing.
Mr. Bom79 has excellent technical drawing skills.
Any other engineer could pick that up and could reproduce the part represented.
There is no creativity in such drawing, but very much a skill. It's not easy to make such clear schematics.
Constantly impressed with this channel. Thanks for sharing. I find it all very fascinating
What? It is a fountain of inspiration and a very relaxing task to sit down and make a technical drawing (especially by hand)[1].
All of the possibilities, shapes, function and form is materializing in your head. And beyond!
That is a wonderful variety to actual physical work an it fits completely in the trade. Don't be irritated by ISO Norms (or DIN) for the drawings, fits, threads, etc.). It IS art!
For the rest I completely agree with you: It's fascinating:) Just another view on the topic, have a good one, friend!:)
[1] To be honest ... there is no "magic" involved. Mostly, hehehe. Takes about one to three years to learn in trade school (not that alone, but as a school subject, weekly). So that is something to respect, or?:)
In school, we were told that every blueprint needs to be readable fully, without any questions remaining, by anybody who hasn't been involved with the part beforehand. So this is the minimum.
So cool man I wish I could go back in Tim n be a machinist instead of a carpenter lol
the hole through the spindle is for a rod used to remove the drive spur or center.
Here's a suggestion: go to another channel if you don't like what is being presented here. Adam doesn't present content for just one viewer, he has a wide and diverse audience.
Besides all that, there are plenty of machining channels that would probably meet your needs.
I am a retired tool maker of many years, with both manual and CNC experience. I prefer manual machining, due to the human interaction.
Manual and CNC both have their places on today's machining world.
This is Adam's channel, he can run it the way he sees fit.
Regards,
Duck😀
Eeehhh?
I noticed the coolant looks more watery and clear where as the old was more milky white. Was the old coolant over mixed or not fully mixed in? Or are you using different brand of coolant?
It's water-soluble oil, mixed with water. As the water evaporates, the mix gets higher in oil, and hence thicker looking. Great stuff, but it gets really funky over time, and replacing it is a constant chore.
@jameskilpatrick7790 just noticed reply. Thanks for responding.
A real pleasure to watch 🙂regards from AUSTRALIA ! Keep on turning 🙃
And today we learned how adam acquired the precision matthews lathe
I have the same lathe. My threads got galled and chuck seized on because I forgot the washer. Thankfully my chuck threads are different than then spindle threads so I have to run an adapter. Had to cut it off with a torch. Luckily the metal the adapter was made out of had a much lower melting point than then spindle
Great video Adam, thank you for sharing.
Did you sketch that spindle up on your Kaeser Compressor note pad? HaHa, I'm just having a little fun with you.
I enjoy all of your videos, and wish you continued success.
❤ I enjoyed watching you work ❤
like this kind work by Adam, manuel machining thats I can learn from him.
If you have a longer shaft. I’ve found an easy way to find lengths of journals, take a test indicator on a nice stand. Put it on your carriage and go face to face. And use your read out as a make shift height gage.
Collet draw bar if mounted in place of the chuck. That is the use of the 10mm hole all through. Nice Height Guage. Classy for certain.
i have a 1960s ish clausing 15x48 and the headstock is super quiet in all speeds. i have noticed these newer machines on these channels are somewhat loud on the headstock noise. i wonder if its just the finish on the gears or if the shape of the gear teeth are different causing the noise on the newer machines?
You are looking well, my friend
The hole thru the spindle is for a knockout rod for knocking out whatever Morse taper device you have in there
Great video! About how much machine time is there in this project so far? I'm a home remodeling contractor. I don't watch the home improvement shows because they are unrealistic. There is no way someone can get a new bathroom in a half an hour and they almost never reveal the actual time for the project. And on the other hand, the budgets and other costs are misleading too. Thank You!
Somewhat ironic as I'm watching, thinking I should ask Adam if he would recommend Precision Mathews as I am wanting to acquire a benchtop lathe of some sort. Low and behold you give a big thumbs up to the satisfaction with your PM lathe. Thanks Adam.
Lots of custom rifle builders use a PM. Nice machines, I’ve seen one up close.
Adam's 1660 is made in Taiwan, most other PM lathes are made in China and cost considerably less. I wish I could afford the Taiwan lathe, but for the $$ you can get a PM Chinese lathe with DRO and chucks plus a mill.
@@thejoker-pd9df get the Taiwan version only.
What@@wolffengineering7038 I am not sure how you would be able to weigh that option for anyone but yourself. The Taiwan version would be my preference, but it is more than 2X the $$ as you have to buy DRO, chucks, etc as add ons.
@@thejoker-pd9dfok, get the Chinese version.
Awesome work Adam! Man it seems like you could do this blindfolded sometimes 😂
Nice work Adam, love your videos.
the through hole in the spindle is used by a drawbar to help hold a center in place.
I would think the 10.2mm through hole would be used for a rod, to be used to bump out the Morse Taper centre.
Thank you Adam I always enjoy watching your wonderful work and videos could you please try and always show your measurements in matric watching from South Africa
You're not really serious, are you? While you and Adam are both capable of doing conversions, only one of you wants or needs them, soooo...
1.379 X 25.4 = ?
@@thejoker-pd9dfthank you for the really smart response after all we are not as smart as you 😮
@@vijayantgovender2045 lol, your original request was not smart at all so his reply was justified... In my opinion.
Watching a master work their trade is so enjoyable😁Regardless of the trade .
Adam, Thanks for the quick lesson on the shop sketch.
Putting on my instructor's cap for a moment, for folks who are new to making parts, sketches/drawings are a visual communication method... even if we're only talking to ourselves at the time.
A shop detail drawing for a production job will, as was stated, have a lot of minor details spelled out - the stuff that Adam states can wait for later.
A quick sketch for a simple part which you need right now might look like an elementary school art lesson, scribbled on any handy scrap of paper
Adam's sketch for this part is in between the two extremes...
Just remember, the whole point of the sketch and notes is so that you keep things straight while you're machining, and hopefully keep Mr. Bozo from paying a visit!