Another benefit of shooting video in APSC mode for the a7iv (and possibly a7iii) is faster sensor readout. Rolling shutter can be a bit much on those cameras in full frame 4k, but in APSC mode it's much more manageable. The a7iv in APSC mode has rolling shutter performance that's close to the a7siii. So even if you aren't shooting 60fps it can still be worth switching to APSC mode if you'll be doing a lot of panning and don't want slanty angles or jello-y footage
Good point. I stumbled on the same phenomenon accidentally. It’s not a technique I’d like to use regularly, but it’s a very convenient stopgap: More thoughts here: APSC lens, full frame camera: a logical combination? ruclips.net/video/9EdyPEr2gAQ/видео.html
I've been exclusively using a Sigma 16mm on my A7III recently and its turned out some really nice videos. Being in Korea + Sigma 16mm = Pretty aesthetic videos
I just bought a7 iv and used my Laowa 9mm without knowing it's APS-C. Long story short, this video answered bunch of questions, provided solutions and ultimately made me happy as I don't have to sell my 9mm (which I love). Thanks man!!!
Same here last photoshoot i used sigma 30mm didn't know it was apsc lens. Then when i started editing the photos in raw file it was really ugly the photos are too noisy.
With active stabilization and focus breathing compensation enabled, some of the APS-C lenses will not show any black area on full frame! It would be cool if someone made a complete list of APS-C lenses that work completely uncropped with active stabilization on full frame bodies like the A7 IV.
Hii Jason , I have sony a 7c . If I use either 11mm f1.8 apsc lens . Will it affect autofocus or anything that is going to bother while shooting video ... I need a wide angle lens in budget with low light conditions...
When I use my Aps-c lenses in my full frame Sony’s I use clear image zoom at around 1.2x zoom sometimes 1.3x which allows me a slightly wider angle than the 1.5x crop
8:18 You are bang on ! I have the Sony A7RIV and A7RIVA so I have four Cameras in two Cameras and double up in Lenses ! But do still Photography and I only use these full frame Lenses (equivalent) 14mm (21), 24mm (36), 35mm (I do not use this in APSC-mode !), 55mm (82), 65mm (97), 135mm (202) and 200-600mm (300-600), so these seven Lenses "becomes" to a total of 14 😊
Very timely video for me. I have an A6600 with Sigma 16mm. I keep going back and forth between staying with the A6600 and getting more APSC lenses, or just jumping to a full frame Sony body and building my lens collection from there. I'm a little paranoid about sinking too much money into the A6600 system and then deciding to go full frame later. Now I know what I can and cannot do with APSC lenses down the road if I do eventually move to full frame.
I like to take the time to recap the Wonderful and Insightful piece of information I learned from you sir. 1- If using an APS-C camera, no matter what the lens type it will always crop it to an average of a 1.5% view, so as mentioned a 50mm will actually function as a 75mm lens on your APS-C camera. 2- If using a FF camera with an APS-C lens it will also yield the same results, it will crop the view at a 1.5%. 3- If using a FF camera and want to experience a true 50mm, buy yourself a 50mm Full Frame Lens and make sure it is NOT an APS-C lens. After countless YT videos and asking myself how certain recordings given their length distance from that of the talent and were the camera was position (podcast) I could never understand How they were getting such view angles. Now I know why!!!! They were using APS-C cameras thus the view angles was changed dramatically to a 75mm .... hens the cameras were position farther out to compensate for the 1.5 crop factor. Great Grand Master Vong, is your grasshoper correct? Gracias Last Q: what's your take on using a FF camera and a true FF 85mm Lens for podcasting 2 talents both cameras on a cris-cross position opposites of each of the talents, on a 10x10 foot garage studio?
Hello Jason Vong, I'd have a question about cine lenses (those with T instead of F): would I lose too much quality with an APS-C lens on my A7 iii instead of using the (much more expensive) FF version? Any other comment on differences between them would be appreciated. Thank you very much
Another minus is Aperture. f2.8 becomes f4.2 and so on. Light is the same, bokeh is not. But after my trip and carrying Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 on Crane M3 gimbal for 3 days, I regret not taking Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 lens for my trip. Tamron was too heavy to carry all day.
That depends on how you look at it., A f/2.8 lens is always an f/2.8 lens, no matter the sensor size, and any f/2.8 aperture will give you the same depth of field. Depth of field/bokeh is not determined by the focal length or sensor size, it's determined by the aperture setting and distance from the subject. The reason it looks like you get less bokeh with a smaller sensor is because to get the same framing as you would with a larger sensor, you have to step further back.
APS-C f/2.8 lens is fully equivalent to f/4.3 FF lens in all respects. The weight is also typically scales as square of crop factor, all other things being equal, so equivalent lenses usually have the same sizes and weight. But often equivalent FF lenses don't exist because in general people buying FF cameras don't want such slow lenses.
@@joelmulder true but when you consider the crop factor let’s say you used a 24mm 2.8 cropped, the bokeh would be equivalent to the bokeh at 35mm when it’s at f/4.
@@JustinPinedaMedia In a practical sense, often yes. but only if you step backwards to get the same framing as you would've with fullframe. Sensor size and focal length are irrelevant to depth of field.
i have a A7R II and getting 18mp stills from my aps-c gear is pretty nice as a transition mode while I acquire more full frame lenses. but I still think I'll keep my a6300 kit since it's so small.
Hi Jason, may I ask a stupid question? For the Sigma 1850 2.8, can use in normal (FF mode)? Or there are shadows in corners that only able to be used under ASPC mode? Moreover, is lens compression 50mm or 75mm at tele end? (Is the 75mm view angle achieved by optic or simply cropping photo) I am thinking to buy a7c + sigma 1850 2.8, the compact form factor, has 18-50mm (up to 75mm in ASPC mode) can cover majority of use scenarios
- For video, you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for stabilization - For photo you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for composition
i have the a7r4 and worked my self to 2 lens sony 24-105 (f4) and sony 100-400 when i need the reach i us apsc mode and now 2 becomes 4 and no extra weight and easy to carry.
8:53 you literally described the fx30, better grip, good stabiulization, dual slot sd cards, and better lcd resolution, while also being cheaper than a full frame camera using a cheaper apsc lenses. ofc with a hit on low light performance.
Okay, say for instance I’m using a SONY A7C with the Sony E PZ 18-200 lens. Will my light gathering be affected by the APSC lens on the full frame camera? I am a self filmed deer hunter so most of my important shots are going to be early morning and late evening when light is near darkness.
I love the Sony a7iv. But I’ll probably just get a few apsc lenses to start. Is it better just to buy the a6700. And in the future go full frame when I can get all the full frame lenses
@@thebillygreen not sure if my comments are going through but I have the photo on my instagram. I had replied with a link shortly after you first commented.
Great review and many thanks for sharing; please correct me if I am wrong on the following; I have Nikon D780, purchased the Body only initially; coupled it with my Nikon 18-55mm , DX AFP VR lens; after experimenting with the in Camera adjustments, I found you can still use the Full Frame resolution (and get rid of the vignette) by simply zooming in to approx 24mm (which still gives you a wider image due to the full frame sensor); I have checked the resolution and its confirming its using all of the sensor!; if you use the DX crop function, it reduces the resolution considerably !; let me know your thoughts !! Cheers
I love these experiments, in fact, I enjoyed using a tiny CCR lens on a bigger camera with the vignette and all I had to do was crop, except at times i kept it for certain compositions. But, to me, this is not the full solution, although it does the job. I will always be looking for an adapter with enlargement glass, that magnifies lens image to fit full sensor and even better, if there is a "zoom" ring to manually adjust. So far, no such adapter, so please, someone, make it, we will all love you forever.
Came here bc I'm extremely confused after the release of a6700 & A7cii. Want to know what's best for my budget. Thanks for these detailed but also easy-going style! After this, I think I'll go for the crop body, since size is a priority for me
Thank you, extremely helpful for someone like me that has recently "upgraded" from crop to full frame - especially the distinction between photography and videography for pros/cons. Question: what about the aperture? If I'm using an APS-C lens with let's say 1.8 constant aperture, am I still getting 1.8 on full frame? I'm mostly interested in the bokeh.
Thanks, Jason for the great video. Will the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary APS-C lens work well on a Sony A7C Full Frame Camera for travel and astro photography? Many Thanks.
Why not use an APS-C body instead? You do not get any benefits for using a full frame body with an APS-C lens. Never ever buy APS-C lenses for full frame (unless you really know what you are doing and it is some weird cropped video mode)
For creators who use A7IV to shoot 4k 60p, I highly recommend using the Tamron 17-70 f2.8 apsc lens. It has image stabilization and cover from wide to tight range. However, it's a heavy and big lens...lol
I have an a7r3 with a bunch of full frame lenses that I normally use, but for trips when I want to go small and light I bought the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 and the Sigma 56mm f1.4 which is still 18mpx.
@@pencilauyeung4863 I'm not sure what you're asking. In apsc crop mode at 18mm will be the equivalent field of view of 27mm on full frame. If I put the camera in full frame mode the image circle will be a little smaller than the sensor causing serious vignetting. Some zoom lenses have a big enough image circle at certain focal lengths to be used on full frame. For example, I had a Tokina 11-16 apsc lens for Nikon but when at 16mm the image circle was large enough to cover full frame.
I was thinking of doing the same. How does the 1.4 of the 56mm looks like compared to a 50 or 55mm at 2.1? Does it look similar creamy or is 2.1 FF still creamier? In theory, the DOF, should be multiplied by 1.5, just like the focal length. But I’m interested in real life opinions 🙂
Hi, i have a Sony A711 body with a full frame sensor. I also have a 10mm F2 APSC lens id like to use for landscapes. The instruction manual is in chinese and ive found out how to change the camera to APSC. Are there any other settings in the menu i should change? I noticed quite alot of vignetting but maybe its something ive neglected to change?
you are so hilarious man, I just stumbled across your video on 4k shooters website when checking out whether I should buy aps-c lenses and I specifically came the youtube link just to tell you that you deliver your content amazingly :D
Wow. For someone new like me, just getting into a little bit more photography & video, you explained so much with clear and concise information. I thought investing in the APSC world would go to waste for the new A7III I just bought. Now I can say that I can just use it for video content for now, use my a6400 for photography and wait until I get my hands on a new lens for my new A7III. Subscribed ever since I looked into this field. Thanks a lot man! Looking to learn more from you.
Hi Jason, I had a question stupid question probably i watned to get an A6400 and maybe upgrade to a full mirror after but how would I know if the lenses are compatible on both cameras? REalaly love your post thank you!
I just purchased the A7IV a couple of weeks ago, I’ve kept my A6400, the Sony 16-55 F2.8 works AMAZING on both cameras definitely worth the investment on that lens for both cameras !
is it ok to use APS-C lens on A7c2 for 4K 60fps video recording? as 4k 60fps is already in cropped mode? Please let me know then i will buy the Sigma 16mm F/1.4 DC DN for 4k 60fps video shoot. Please recommend - Viltrox 25mm f1.8Fullframe or Sigma 16mm F/1.4 DC DN for 4K 60fps video recording on a7c2.
Interestingly, I’m watching this after communicating in a forum about the fact that I accidentally bought APS-C lenses for my a7ii. Now I’m here stuck thinking if I wanna by Full Frame lens or a APS-C body!
Rather than enabling the APS-C S35 Mode in the menu is there a metabones adapter or something similar you can put on the lens instead? I have an old APS-C lens I'm trying to use on my FX6.
I put my apsc super wide on my new mirrorless camera just because it was the first lens I could grab to try some camera settings with a lens on it and was like woah.. there's no vignette.. this actually works? It's probably not really 10mm though right?
Finally I've found your video. I've got a FF Sony A7 and I would like to use it like a compact camera... so what lenses? Your video is the answer to my question.
Can you show me how to use a sony a7iv with fe 24-105mm f/4 g lens on streamlabs obs, I tried everything and it's blurry and like noisy when I make the screen size on streamlabs smaller
A7iii owner with G-Master glass. You totally rocked this video! Great review. This really makes me want to get some off-brand aps primes. Thank you. Dan
So let's say you are using an a1 with a 50mm FF, and a sony a6 series with a 50mm APSC lens to take the same shot with the same conditions. Let's also assume you intend to crop the FF shot in by 50% to match the APSC 's field of view. Would it be assumed that the Sony APSC shot would have more detail due to the 24MP sensor capturing that entire range, vs the '21MP' of equivalent resolution from the a71 one you crop in the FF shot to match the FOV of an APSC lens?
I have a bit similar confusion… will post processing affect the photos or videos without utilizing super 35 mode, like cropping out the unwanted blank spaces? Will you still be able to get the potential results of the lenses’ according to fstop? eg. getting an apsc lense 14mm f1.4 for FF camera use… does it mean I will always get 21mm f2.1 results?
Watched this video and got info that took me three separate videos to get. Wish I came here first. I'm just starting my video career and bought a Sony ZV-E10. That being said, only bought it in a pinch and will be using it for about a year at best. Haven't bought much glass for it. Would you recommend buying th APS-C Lenses for the short term, or if I'm upgrading to say a Sony A7SIII in the next year or so, just start buying full frame?
Thanks for the video.Just got the 11-20mm f2.8 For my Sony ZVE-10 and was wondering what would happen when I went full frame.Then I see you are also in Japan. I'm in Kyoto.
That's why my photos on my a7iv was really bad because i used apsc lens. 😅 It became 15megapixel. I was hadding a hard time editing the photos in cause really bad to much noise.
Can you make a video of the best APSC lenses that can be used on full frame with no vignetting? Or vignetting that can be bypassed by slightly zooming in? Thank you!!
This is what I want to do. I have an A7iv and I just returned the 24-105 as it was too heavy. I have Multiple Sclerosis and I struggle with my strength. I was told in various groups on Facebook the quality with the crop will not be as good as an a6600 and should just get a apsc if I'm doing that. What are your thoughts? I mainly shoot video and I may do a few photos for personal use, but only for Facebook, nothing too serious.
My brother, please tell me you mention using digital clear zoom to get more out of aps-c lenses on FF. I've seen people use the 10-18 at 10, and digital zoom to get a real FF 12mm rather than aps-c mode to get a 15mm.
I am still confused, if I take a picture with Sigma 16mm 1.4 on my A7iv and crop in to remove the vignettes in post how does it make the image quality any worse than taking it on my Tamron 28-75mm directly at 28mm ? In fact I think I would get a bigger field of view (22mm-24mm) on the Sigma depending upon how much I decide to crop off later in post. Can anyone comment or explain if this is right?
guys but there is a catch on the crop factor, even tho the field of view apears to have the equivalency using the crop factor formula, but the background separation and Dof is the same on both sensors , so if you have an 50mm on apc or full frame , the focal length is the same , so the background distortion and bokeh will be the same. even tho 50mm on apc will have an 75mm field of view of a full frame , all those point that I talked about will remain the same . in the end it's just a crop that why have the name crop sensor.
Hi Jason, I am sorry I am still confused… if I use a 17-70mm APS-C lens on a full frame, will I get a wider angle ? Or will it be same as if I was shooting with a 25-105mm full frame lense ? Thank you 🙏
No, that's not true at all. While F-stop isn't an entirely objective measurement (such as T-stop is), it's close enough. Within a small margin of error, every 2.8 lens lets through the same amount of light. Smaller sensors are usually worse in lowlight because they pack the same amount of pixels into the same resolution as a fullframe camera. This means the individual photosites have to be smaller, thus require more ISO gain. Depth of field is also the same regardless of focal length and sensor size. Yet, on a smaller sensor or cropped lens, you'll have to move further back to get the same composition as you would on full frame. At a fixed aperture, increasing the distance between the lens and the subject creates a deeper depth of field, it's got nothing to do with the lens or camera.
My question is the exact opposite - let's say i buy a sony a6400 with the kit lens 16-50mm - the focal lenght is still 16-50 or is cropped even on a aps-c camera?
All lenses have their actual focal lenghts. That is why APS-C lenses are something like 16-50 mm when full frame are 24-70 mm or 24-105 mm. Smaller sensors need shorter focal lenghts.
What about the video low light performance in crop mode. Are the advantages of a FF sensor (I am thinking about the a7iv ) lost? I mean the pixels should still be 'bigger' then lets say the pixels on a real APS-C body like the Fuji X-H2s? will the Sony a7iv perform better in low light in aps-c mode than the Fuji x-h2s? Thanks I am trying to decide wether it makes more sense to get the fuji or the sony... my main camera for not is the x-t4 and x100v but I need a 2nd camera with no recording limit, as I do photos (portrait, events, sometimes weddings) and videos (mainly 1,5h long talking head presentations) I am not sure if I should invest in the sony to have the FF option or just stay with fuji. I wish the x-h2s would be cheaper then it would be clear but the prices are quite similar. I do love the fuji colours, have already some lenses and think the build quality might be a bit better than the sony a7iv. AF in low light and low light performance should be better on the a7iv?! thanks
Investigating it seems that the x1.5 crop factor affects bokeh also, it means that if you are using an f1.8 aps-c lenses you will get and equivalent bokeh of a f2.7 full frame lenses. Tell me if I'm wrong.
If you use a full frame body, yes. On an APS-C body it does not matter what lens you use. Using an APS-C lens on a full frame body is not recommended. It is basically so that you will not completely lose your investment on the lens but it is always better to use FF lenses.
After more than 5 years I can't believe I'm still watching this channel. Its been since around the a6500 release. Guess you've doing something right.
Glad you’re still here all this time buddy! 😁
And I just arrived and we're watching many videos just for fun, this was the first useful to me, fx30 +fs700 owner LOL
Man this video is so helpful for someone thinking of switching from apsc to full frame and doesn’t want to get rid of all their lenses. Thank you!
Another benefit of shooting video in APSC mode for the a7iv (and possibly a7iii) is faster sensor readout. Rolling shutter can be a bit much on those cameras in full frame 4k, but in APSC mode it's much more manageable. The a7iv in APSC mode has rolling shutter performance that's close to the a7siii. So even if you aren't shooting 60fps it can still be worth switching to APSC mode if you'll be doing a lot of panning and don't want slanty angles or jello-y footage
Good point. I stumbled on the same phenomenon accidentally. It’s not a technique I’d like to use regularly, but it’s a very convenient stopgap: More thoughts here: APSC lens, full frame camera: a logical combination?
ruclips.net/video/9EdyPEr2gAQ/видео.html
I've been exclusively using a Sigma 16mm on my A7III recently and its turned out some really nice videos. Being in Korea + Sigma 16mm = Pretty aesthetic videos
Is that an apsc lens?
@@wanderdutts4584 Yes it is!
So I know that is like a 24mm in crop mode but what is it if you don't use crop mode like a 10mm?
I just bought a7 iv and used my Laowa 9mm without knowing it's APS-C. Long story short, this video answered bunch of questions, provided solutions and ultimately made me happy as I don't have to sell my 9mm (which I love). Thanks man!!!
Random but, what are you shooting that you need that wide of a focal length? Beginner here
@juanromero961 real-estate, mainly interior pics.
Same here last photoshoot i used sigma 30mm didn't know it was apsc lens. Then when i started editing the photos in raw file it was really ugly the photos are too noisy.
@juanromero961 Real-estate photography. It works really well for interior photos.
With active stabilization and focus breathing compensation enabled, some of the APS-C lenses will not show any black area on full frame! It would be cool if someone made a complete list of APS-C lenses that work completely uncropped with active stabilization on full frame bodies like the A7 IV.
there is. its called a full frame lens
My 35mm APS-C lens gives me the same result of a FE 50mm
Good luck, I don't think anyone would have the time nor the effort to do such a list.
Hii Jason ,
I have sony a 7c . If I use either 11mm f1.8 apsc lens . Will it affect autofocus or anything that is going to bother while shooting video ... I need a wide angle lens in budget with low light conditions...
When I use my Aps-c lenses in my full frame Sony’s I use clear image zoom at around 1.2x zoom sometimes 1.3x which allows me a slightly wider angle than the 1.5x crop
8:18 You are bang on ! I have the Sony A7RIV and A7RIVA so I have four Cameras in two Cameras and double up in Lenses ! But do still Photography and I only use these full frame Lenses (equivalent) 14mm (21), 24mm (36), 35mm (I do not use this in APSC-mode !), 55mm (82), 65mm (97), 135mm (202) and 200-600mm (300-600), so these seven Lenses "becomes" to a total of 14 😊
*So what Am I looking at with the sigma 16mm on the A7C? I'm more of a Videography not Photos*
Very timely video for me. I have an A6600 with Sigma 16mm. I keep going back and forth between staying with the A6600 and getting more APSC lenses, or just jumping to a full frame Sony body and building my lens collection from there. I'm a little paranoid about sinking too much money into the A6600 system and then deciding to go full frame later. Now I know what I can and cannot do with APSC lenses down the road if I do eventually move to full frame.
Glad this video helped clarify that! If you’re moving on to an a7R series or even the a7 IV, the Sigma should still be good enough to get you by!
I like to take the time to recap the Wonderful and Insightful piece of information I learned from you sir.
1- If using an APS-C camera, no matter what the lens type it will always crop it to an average of a 1.5% view, so as mentioned a 50mm will actually function as a 75mm lens on your APS-C camera.
2- If using a FF camera with an APS-C lens it will also yield the same results, it will crop the view at a 1.5%.
3- If using a FF camera and want to experience a true 50mm, buy yourself a 50mm Full Frame Lens and make sure it is NOT an APS-C lens.
After countless YT videos and asking myself how certain recordings given their length distance from that of the talent and were the camera was position (podcast) I could never understand How they were getting such view angles. Now I know why!!!! They were using APS-C cameras thus the view angles was changed dramatically to a 75mm .... hens the cameras were position farther out to compensate for the 1.5 crop factor. Great Grand Master Vong, is your grasshoper correct? Gracias
Last Q: what's your take on using a FF camera and a true FF 85mm Lens for podcasting 2 talents both cameras on a cris-cross position opposites of each of the talents, on a 10x10 foot garage studio?
Hello Jason Vong, I'd have a question about cine lenses (those with T instead of F): would I lose too much quality with an APS-C lens on my A7 iii instead of using the (much more expensive) FF version? Any other comment on differences between them would be appreciated. Thank you very much
What are the penalties for using APS-C on the A7SIII for video or photos? Either I missed it in the video or it wasn't really talked about much.
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5mp photos and s35 mode only in 1080p
@@KoelAnderson uhm, you mean if I put an apsc lens on a7s3 it can only record in 1080 s35? 😮😢
@@maaoabb ya
@@maaoabb you can do 4K but you’ll see lens mount on mos lenses
Another minus is Aperture. f2.8 becomes f4.2 and so on. Light is the same, bokeh is not. But after my trip and carrying Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 on Crane M3 gimbal for 3 days, I regret not taking Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 lens for my trip. Tamron was too heavy to carry all day.
That depends on how you look at it., A f/2.8 lens is always an f/2.8 lens, no matter the sensor size, and any f/2.8 aperture will give you the same depth of field.
Depth of field/bokeh is not determined by the focal length or sensor size, it's determined by the aperture setting and distance from the subject.
The reason it looks like you get less bokeh with a smaller sensor is because to get the same framing as you would with a larger sensor, you have to step further back.
APS-C f/2.8 lens is fully equivalent to f/4.3 FF lens in all respects. The weight is also typically scales as square of crop factor, all other things being equal, so equivalent lenses usually have the same sizes and weight. But often equivalent FF lenses don't exist because in general people buying FF cameras don't want such slow lenses.
@@joelmulder true but when you consider the crop factor let’s say you used a 24mm 2.8 cropped, the bokeh would be equivalent to the bokeh at 35mm when it’s at f/4.
@@JustinPinedaMedia In a practical sense, often yes. but only if you step backwards to get the same framing as you would've with fullframe.
Sensor size and focal length are irrelevant to depth of field.
Nothing becomes anything else.
i have a A7R II and getting 18mp stills from my aps-c gear is pretty nice as a transition mode while I acquire more full frame lenses. but I still think I'll keep my a6300 kit since it's so small.
Hi Jason, may I ask a stupid question?
For the Sigma 1850 2.8, can use in normal (FF mode)? Or there are shadows in corners that only able to be used under ASPC mode?
Moreover, is lens compression 50mm or 75mm at tele end? (Is the 75mm view angle achieved by optic or simply cropping photo)
I am thinking to buy a7c + sigma 1850 2.8, the compact form factor, has 18-50mm (up to 75mm in ASPC mode) can cover majority of use scenarios
Hii!
I have a question.
I'm from Europe, from Hungary. KEH Camera have trasport in Europe?
- For video, you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for stabilization
- For photo you can use APSC lenses in full frame mode, then cropping in post for composition
i have the a7r4 and worked my self to 2 lens sony 24-105 (f4) and sony 100-400 when i need the reach i us apsc mode and now 2 becomes 4 and no extra weight and easy to carry.
That is so good explaination. I have an a7r4 with only G Marter lenses, and I had never considered buying apsc lenses before. Thank you!
Perfect video! Maybe one of little content creators pointing advantages from apsc lenses on full frame bodies. Loved it! Cheera from Brazil!
Your videos always answer the questions I have about incredibly technical subjects. Thanks so much!
That dumb n dumber “YEAAAAH” clip caught me off guard 😂😂
8:53 you literally described the fx30, better grip, good stabiulization, dual slot sd cards, and better lcd resolution, while also being cheaper than a full frame camera using a cheaper apsc lenses. ofc with a hit on low light performance.
Love the content! Quick question, do you prefer cloud based storage or an external hard drive? Which company do you use? Thanks in advance!
Technically speaking. You should have both. On site and off site back up
Okay, say for instance I’m using a SONY A7C with the Sony E PZ 18-200 lens. Will my light gathering be affected by the APSC lens on the full frame camera? I am a self filmed deer hunter so most of my important shots are going to be early morning and late evening when light is near darkness.
I love the Sony a7iv. But I’ll probably just get a few apsc lenses to start. Is it better just to buy the a6700. And in the future go full frame when I can get all the full frame lenses
Used the crop Sigma 16 f/1.4 not too long ago to take one of my favorite photos this year.🔥
Can't believe that lil thing is still doing incredible work!!
Pic or it didn’t happen 👀
@@thebillygreen not sure if my comments are going through but I have the photo on my instagram. I had replied with a link shortly after you first commented.
@@fjhphoto my man!
Great review and many thanks for sharing; please correct me if I am wrong on the following; I have Nikon D780, purchased the Body only initially; coupled it with my Nikon 18-55mm , DX AFP VR lens; after experimenting with the in Camera adjustments, I found you can still use the Full Frame resolution (and get rid of the vignette) by simply zooming in to approx 24mm (which still gives you a wider image due to the full frame sensor); I have checked the resolution and its confirming its using all of the sensor!; if you use the DX crop function, it reduces the resolution considerably !; let me know your thoughts !! Cheers
How come the 24MP FF sensor turns 10MP with the ASP-C lens? Shouldn't it be 24/1.5=16MP?
The FF sensor is 2.3 times larger!
No, it is 24 / 1.5². The crop affects in both directions.
I love these experiments, in fact, I enjoyed using a tiny CCR lens on a bigger camera with the vignette and all I had to do was crop, except at times i kept it for certain compositions.
But, to me, this is not the full solution, although it does the job.
I will always be looking for an adapter with enlargement glass, that magnifies lens image to fit full sensor and even better, if there is a "zoom" ring to manually adjust.
So far, no such adapter, so please, someone, make it, we will all love you forever.
Hi great video keep going small question what about the quality of 1080p in crop mode on sony a7iii
First manual lens, now APS-C lens on a full frame camera? Almost triggered me when you said yes in the beginning Jason :)
Thanks Jason for yet another very informative and entertaining video! I always enjoy your content and presenation style.
Came here bc I'm extremely confused after the release of a6700 & A7cii. Want to know what's best for my budget. Thanks for these detailed but also easy-going style!
After this, I think I'll go for the crop body, since size is a priority for me
Me too confused between the two .. did u buy an a7cii? If then How is the performance ?
Great review jason! Im getting the sony 11mm for my a7siii. Mainly for real estate vids
Thank you, extremely helpful for someone like me that has recently "upgraded" from crop to full frame - especially the distinction between photography and videography for pros/cons. Question: what about the aperture? If I'm using an APS-C lens with let's say 1.8 constant aperture, am I still getting 1.8 on full frame? I'm mostly interested in the bokeh.
Thanks, Jason for the great video. Will the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary APS-C lens work well on a Sony A7C Full Frame Camera for travel and astro photography? Many Thanks.
Why not use an APS-C body instead? You do not get any benefits for using a full frame body with an APS-C lens. Never ever buy APS-C lenses for full frame (unless you really know what you are doing and it is some weird cropped video mode)
For creators who use A7IV to shoot 4k 60p, I highly recommend using the Tamron 17-70 f2.8 apsc lens. It has image stabilization and cover from wide to tight range. However, it's a heavy and big lens...lol
Great lens. In my opinion, not large or heavy. 🤷🏻♂️
I'm using it on the Sony A6300 and i love it!
I have an a7r3 with a bunch of full frame lenses that I normally use, but for trips when I want to go small and light I bought the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 and the Sigma 56mm f1.4 which is still 18mpx.
May I check if can use normally in full frame mode? I .e. can you take 18mm photo?
@@pencilauyeung4863 I'm not sure what you're asking. In apsc crop mode at 18mm will be the equivalent field of view of 27mm on full frame. If I put the camera in full frame mode the image circle will be a little smaller than the sensor causing serious vignetting. Some zoom lenses have a big enough image circle at certain focal lengths to be used on full frame. For example, I had a Tokina 11-16 apsc lens for Nikon but when at 16mm the image circle was large enough to cover full frame.
@Dale Frolander thanks for the explanation
I am simple minded to think I can take 18mm photo
I was thinking of doing the same. How does the 1.4 of the 56mm looks like compared to a 50 or 55mm at 2.1? Does it look similar creamy or is 2.1 FF still creamier?
In theory, the DOF, should be multiplied by 1.5, just like the focal length. But I’m interested in real life opinions 🙂
Hi, i have a Sony A711 body with a full frame sensor. I also have a 10mm F2 APSC lens id like to use for landscapes. The instruction manual is in chinese and ive found out how to change the camera to APSC. Are there any other settings in the menu i should change? I noticed quite alot of vignetting but maybe its something ive neglected to change?
Hello, nice video! I want to ask, will there be noise if i use sigma 18 50 on ff camera, or crop mode just cut frame and working normal as ff lens?
you are so hilarious man, I just stumbled across your video on 4k shooters website when checking out whether I should buy aps-c lenses and I specifically came the youtube link just to tell you that you deliver your content amazingly :D
Wow. For someone new like me, just getting into a little bit more photography & video, you explained so much with clear and concise information. I thought investing in the APSC world would go to waste for the new A7III I just bought. Now I can say that I can just use it for video content for now, use my a6400 for photography and wait until I get my hands on a new lens for my new A7III. Subscribed ever since I looked into this field. Thanks a lot man! Looking to learn more from you.
Very helpful. Got the Sigma 18-50 f2.8 for my old a6500 and am ready to upgrade to a a7iii or a7iv
Hi Jason, I had a question stupid question probably i watned to get an A6400 and maybe upgrade to a full mirror after but how would I know if the lenses are compatible on both cameras? REalaly love your post thank you!
Aps-c vs full frame in aps-c mode, does they have same low light abilities or still full frame is better in low light with crop mode?
Thanks!
Jason! I have the ZV-E1 and the 11mm 1.8 sony. Is the new 16-25mm 2.8 worth the upgrade?
i use some aps-c on my a7r2. especially for videos. at the same time i own a6400.
I just purchased the A7IV a couple of weeks ago, I’ve kept my A6400, the Sony 16-55 F2.8 works AMAZING on both cameras definitely worth the investment on that lens for both cameras !
is it ok to use APS-C lens on A7c2 for 4K 60fps video recording? as 4k 60fps is already in cropped mode? Please let me know then i will buy the Sigma 16mm F/1.4 DC DN for 4k 60fps video shoot. Please recommend - Viltrox 25mm f1.8Fullframe or Sigma 16mm F/1.4 DC DN for 4K 60fps video recording on a7c2.
Amazing. Exactly explain ALL my concerns. Great vedio, Love the style.
does this work with fuji lenses? are there adaptors for any brand?...are there any for MFT?
What about the OSS in APSC lens, does it still working in Full Frame Cameras
Interestingly, I’m watching this after communicating in a forum about the fact that I accidentally bought APS-C lenses for my a7ii. Now I’m here stuck thinking if I wanna by Full Frame lens or a APS-C body!
Jason have you ever shot the Tamron 18-300 on the Sony 7AC?
I don't know what to do , because if i want to use my Apsc lenses in my fx3 i cannot record in 4k, only in hd
Rather than enabling the APS-C S35 Mode in the menu is there a metabones adapter or something similar you can put on the lens instead? I have an old APS-C lens I'm trying to use on my FX6.
So there’s some debate on whether the f-Stop of the lens changes when pairing a crop lens on a Sony a7r(xx). Is there?
I put my apsc super wide on my new mirrorless camera just because it was the first lens I could grab to try some camera settings with a lens on it and was like woah.. there's no vignette.. this actually works? It's probably not really 10mm though right?
Dude...MIND. BLOWN. Thanks for posting this!
Finally I've found your video. I've got a FF Sony A7 and I would like to use it like a compact camera... so what lenses? Your video is the answer to my question.
Always love the quality of your videos. You teje the time to make them entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work Jason!
Can you show me how to use a sony a7iv with fe 24-105mm f/4 g lens on streamlabs obs, I tried everything and it's blurry and like noisy when I make the screen size on streamlabs smaller
You’ve got a subscriber today! Nice fun and concise video @jason! What is your white gimbal shown in this video?
Zhiyun Crane M3!
@@JasonVong wow, thank you - and is that strong enough for A6500 + 16-55 f2.8 G lens do you know? I assume it’s compact enough for travel vlogging?
Great video man, you packed a ton of useful info into it!
A7iii owner with G-Master glass. You totally rocked this video! Great review. This really makes me want to get some off-brand aps primes. Thank you. Dan
It's a smart business decision from Sony to apply 4k60 crop so that people will buy extra apsc lenses.
Hey Jason, I really enjoy your video style! Very refreshing! ;) Thanks mate!
So let's say you are using an a1 with a 50mm FF, and a sony a6 series with a 50mm APSC lens to take the same shot with the same conditions. Let's also assume you intend to crop the FF shot in by 50% to match the APSC 's field of view. Would it be assumed that the Sony APSC shot would have more detail due to the 24MP sensor capturing that entire range, vs the '21MP' of equivalent resolution from the a71 one you crop in the FF shot to match the FOV of an APSC lens?
I have a bit similar confusion… will post processing affect the photos or videos without utilizing super 35 mode, like cropping out the unwanted blank spaces? Will you still be able to get the potential results of the lenses’ according to fstop? eg. getting an apsc lense 14mm f1.4 for FF camera use… does it mean I will always get 21mm f2.1 results?
Watched this video and got info that took me three separate videos to get. Wish I came here first. I'm just starting my video career and bought a Sony ZV-E10. That being said, only bought it in a pinch and will be using it for about a year at best. Haven't bought much glass for it. Would you recommend buying th APS-C Lenses for the short term, or if I'm upgrading to say a Sony A7SIII in the next year or so, just start buying full frame?
My goodness are your videos awesome! So helpful and so well produced. Thank you!
Thanks for the video.Just got the 11-20mm f2.8 For my Sony ZVE-10 and was wondering what would happen when I went full frame.Then I see you are also in Japan. I'm in Kyoto.
So if I buy a 35mm APSC for my full frame camera, it will be cropped 1.5 times and technically be 52.5mm? Is that right?
That's why my photos on my a7iv was really bad because i used apsc lens. 😅 It became 15megapixel. I was hadding a hard time editing the photos in cause really bad to much noise.
Very informative video as usually. Thank you!
With a a7r4, when using aps lenses. Would I still have to consider the 1.5 multiply?
@jasonvong, I’m getting a Sony A7C, and I only have the trio of sigma apsc lenses, is the photo quality gonna be good??ish??
Thank you this was so helpful and on point!
Can you make a video of the best APSC lenses that can be used on full frame with no vignetting? Or vignetting that can be bypassed by slightly zooming in? Thank you!!
No, you can't get rid of the vignetting by just zooming in.
This is what I want to do. I have an A7iv and I just returned the 24-105 as it was too heavy. I have Multiple Sclerosis and I struggle with my strength. I was told in various groups on Facebook the quality with the crop will not be as good as an a6600 and should just get a apsc if I'm doing that. What are your thoughts? I mainly shoot video and I may do a few photos for personal use, but only for Facebook, nothing too serious.
My brother, please tell me you mention using digital clear zoom to get more out of aps-c lenses on FF. I've seen people use the 10-18 at 10, and digital zoom to get a real FF 12mm rather than aps-c mode to get a 15mm.
I am still confused, if I take a picture with Sigma 16mm 1.4 on my A7iv and crop in to remove the vignettes in post how does it make the image quality any worse than taking it on my Tamron 28-75mm directly at 28mm ? In fact I think I would get a bigger field of view (22mm-24mm) on the Sigma depending upon how much I decide to crop off later in post. Can anyone comment or explain if this is right?
guys but there is a catch on the crop factor, even tho the field of view apears to have the equivalency using the crop factor formula, but the background separation and Dof is the same on both sensors , so if you have an 50mm on apc or full frame , the focal length is the same , so the background distortion and bokeh will be the same. even tho 50mm on apc will have an 75mm field of view of a full frame , all those point that I talked about will remain the same .
in the end it's just a crop that why have the name crop sensor.
Thanks Mr Jason simple and clear have a blessed day sir
Hi Jason, I am sorry I am still confused… if I use a 17-70mm APS-C lens on a full frame, will I get a wider angle ? Or will it be same as if I was shooting with a 25-105mm full frame lense ?
Thank you 🙏
In apsc mode (super 35), it will become 25-105, but resolution is greatly reduced
I am not sure if can work properly in normal mode
There's also a crop factor on the f stop. The f1.4 apsc lens is a f2.1ish on a FF
yeah, and he hasn't talked about that even though was very important
No, that's not true at all. While F-stop isn't an entirely objective measurement (such as T-stop is), it's close enough.
Within a small margin of error, every 2.8 lens lets through the same amount of light.
Smaller sensors are usually worse in lowlight because they pack the same amount of pixels into the same resolution as a fullframe camera. This means the individual photosites have to be smaller, thus require more ISO gain.
Depth of field is also the same regardless of focal length and sensor size. Yet, on a smaller sensor or cropped lens, you'll have to move further back to get the same composition as you would on full frame. At a fixed aperture, increasing the distance between the lens and the subject creates a deeper depth of field, it's got nothing to do with the lens or camera.
@@joelmulder I agree
Last week I bought a used Sony 28mm f2 for US$250. It is very sharp on my A7iii and A6500, offering 2 focal lengths. Super bargain!
On my a7c the sigma 16 1.4 has almost no vignetting over the hole sensor. If you crop to 16:9 or even 21:9 you will not notice it
Good tip!
Hey Jason, what are the hanging button tabs in the camera at 6:51? Are those quick release tabs to be used with a strap?
Does shooting with an apsc lens affect low light performance?
So I can use a APC-s lens on a Sony fx 6 for videos in 4k without a problem?
I get a dark circle even when I have turned APS-C mode. I need to switch off and switch it back on . Sometimes it works sometimes it does not. A7iv
My question is the exact opposite - let's say i buy a sony a6400 with the kit lens 16-50mm - the focal lenght is still 16-50 or is cropped even on a aps-c camera?
All lenses have their actual focal lenghts. That is why APS-C lenses are something like 16-50 mm when full frame are 24-70 mm or 24-105 mm. Smaller sensors need shorter focal lenghts.
What about the video low light performance in crop mode. Are the advantages of a FF sensor (I am thinking about the a7iv ) lost? I mean the pixels should still be 'bigger' then lets say the pixels on a real APS-C body like the Fuji X-H2s? will the Sony a7iv perform better in low light in aps-c mode than the Fuji x-h2s? Thanks I am trying to decide wether it makes more sense to get the fuji or the sony... my main camera for not is the x-t4 and x100v but I need a 2nd camera with no recording limit, as I do photos (portrait, events, sometimes weddings) and videos (mainly 1,5h long talking head presentations) I am not sure if I should invest in the sony to have the FF option or just stay with fuji. I wish the x-h2s would be cheaper then it would be clear but the prices are quite similar. I do love the fuji colours, have already some lenses and think the build quality might be a bit better than the sony a7iv. AF in low light and low light performance should be better on the a7iv?! thanks
I have a a6000. I'm not vlogger just a amateur photographer.
Any suggestions on an upgrade?
Is it true that not only I need to multiply the focal length for 1.5 but I also have to divide the aperture for 1.5 in a apsc lens?
The best video about this subject! thank you man!
Investigating it seems that the x1.5 crop factor affects bokeh also, it means that if you are using an f1.8 aps-c lenses you will get and equivalent bokeh of a f2.7 full frame lenses. Tell me if I'm wrong.
If you use a full frame body, yes. On an APS-C body it does not matter what lens you use. Using an APS-C lens on a full frame body is not recommended. It is basically so that you will not completely lose your investment on the lens but it is always better to use FF lenses.
I have an sony alpha 7r4 but i have crop lens only willl the photography be good?