Its weird. One literal nobody hits one of them. They all recoil in shock and fear. How dare an ant bite me? Don't they know how wealthy I am? *Debts will be collected in fiat or in flesh.*
AI is coming for your job, but we need India for their tech workers. And we need Mexico for their laborers to build houses for all the foreigners that are coming. What? Every single aspect of America would improve immediately if they were all sent home. More homes, more jobs, more food, less strain on every part of infrastructure, prices would drop for everything, pay would rise, land would free up, less farmland would be needed, less production would be needed. In one simple move
keynesian economics is like running downhill, you need to run faster and faster otherwise you'll fall. Also the key metric they use is GDP, which does improve if you bring immigrants since it measures spending and not productivity; if they produce nothing at all and live on welfare the government is going to print money for that and it will be positive for the GDP anyway
As an American you can also apply the same to the U.K. they should be encouraging Brits not filling every hotel and castle with people who don't want to be British. Neither country needs India for the tech workers... America and the U.K. have plenty of tech workers who should be paid instead of importing lower quality workers for less. There are people who are not white who considers themselves to be American or British. Mexico is currently being exploited for their workers and I wonder if Trump this will put a dent in that.
If you try some curcumin (supplement from India) it is said to help with inflamation which might help with your (muscle) fatigue. If it is mental fatigue try googling "curcubrain" from NOW products. I'm not affiliated with NOW supplements. Anyway yeah can you believe the amount of dot...I mean indians now exceeds or equals the amount of chinamen out there? Pretty wild, we got a yellow and brown tsunami coming baby, watch out!
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 they can be, but the reality is that there is plenty of talent around. Tech companies are full of shit, crying wolf here.
Skills lol. How many coders and engineers can change their own oil, grow a self sustaining garden, skin a deer, catch fish, build a shed, ect. These turds are basically useless
This is non-exclusive. If your staff are low on skill and not producing enough to be valuable, mass layoffs make sense because the people aren't earning enough to justify their employment. This is what's happening in the gaming industry.
"Americans won't work the high-skill jobs. They also won't work the low-skill jobs. Clearly this is a problem with Americans, not with our hiring processes!" - Billionaire jeet
not only are they low skill, they mostly have a non-existent work ethic too. Every time I come to a jeet doing customer service, they do absolutely jack all but say what they think will make me go away without even trying to solve my problem.
The problem is that Elon is lying. People dug up h1b applications from Tesla and it showed quite clearly that Tesla is undercutting american salaries when recruiting for manufacturing engineers from India and other places. That's not allowed in our system. The salaries listed there even for an associate engineer are well below market rate. I know this because I'm a hiring manager for technicians and engineers at multiple manufacturing plants. I pay entry level techs (as in electricians and mechanics) a higher salary than what Elon is paying for Engineers from India. That's ridiculous. Elon is gaming the system. Tesla should be investigated for this.
Literally every company is doing it because (((beurocrats))) in banking and govt agencies only offer the best tax and loan rates to businesses that prioritize the hiring of s**tskins.
What did you honestly expect from musk and ramaswampy, if there was really an education problem and not a salary problem then these h1b workers would be making more not less than their american counterparts
@@notubist This is why a person like Trump (lion) should be in charge. He uses people like Elon for efficiency in government while protecting Americans. You guys in the USA really don't know how lucky you are with Trump. Over here in Europe, a Trump character would never be allowed. Cause in the mind of most people (not just the propagandists), a guy who champions his own people is the second coming of the mustache man. Aka satan.
@@chucklesee1726 But what about Americans? Where are Americans going to work? They can't work low skilled positions because they're too qualified but they also can't work high skilled positions because they're unqualified, so what are Americans supposed to do? Maybe the point is that Americans aren't supposed to work, they're supposed to sell their property, become poor and destitute, race to the bottom, and then become a servant class for corporate millionaires? Or maybe what will actually happen is we're just going to go full on mid century because the Saxon learned to hate.
Another thing Vivek and Elon are missing is that, the 'jocks" did not only become dumb brutes, they become the Warrirors and Fighters, but also the Blue Collar Workers, the Engineers, and the Mechanics... Trying to create a culture that shuns the normal, hard working boots on the ground type sounds an awful lot like the 'Learn to Code" reborn...
My department was literally shut down for an all Indian vendor that my company hired.I haven't been able to get a job in 8 months and every recruiter I have spoken to for US in-person high skill jobs have *OPENED THE CONVERSATION* in hindi. I personally know five or six guys in the same situation and another guy who just graduated with a masters in EE last year - all have been unable to get any work in tech for over 8 months. Every where *IS* hiring, they're just not hiring White Males.
Layman question here - what obstacles prevent you and the other White guys you know are in the same situation from networking together and pooling your knowledge and resources to build your own rival companies to the ones excluding you? Aside from cost-of-living and the necessary start-up funds of course. Do you need administrators, legal advisors, etc.?
When Elon said to “think of America as if it were a sports team,” the disgust I felt.. I’ve used that as an example of how we got to where we are. Sports team are absolutely nothing but a name, logo, and colors. Everything else is completely interchangeable, including and especially the players, regardless of where they’re from. The Celtics roster probably doesn’t even have a single player from Boston in it. Sports teams are soulless in the truest sense of the word. And that is exactly how Elon perceives countries. There are no Americans. There is the American sports nation with its flag, colors, and logos. The people it’s currently comprised of are completely interchangeable to people like Musk. If everyone is just an American without their paperwork yet, then there are no Americans. If being American means having certain principles or ideologies, then real Americans that have been here for 200 years aren’t even American to him.
Being a "prepositional nation" sounds a lot like communism to me. I'd prefer one based on history and heritage with the ability to explore ideas without being declared unAmerican.
Does the economy exist to serve people or do people exist to serve the economy? Your answer to that question puts you on one side or another. Each side is mutually exclusive of the other and only one has the strength of numbers. Money doesn't trump numbers or Trump wouldn't have had the numbers. Those who believe otherwise are the enemies of We The People. Vivek and Musk can get on the program or get out... one way or another, they'll be out. Nobody buys their narrative anymore. Nobody is buying any narrative anymore. The West showed too much of its hand during the "Disease or Uknown Origin". America isn't its territory, it's its people. To go against its people is to label oneself Persona non Grata -- with extreme prejudice.
Company: There is a skill shortage. Me: Hey. I just graduated with a master degree in computer science Company: This internship needs you to have a master degree, speak 5 languages, have 5 years experience within the field of computer science and be under 25. Me: ...... Company manager that got into the company with a high school degree in 1990s: There is a skill shortage!!!!
This is a large part of it. A big part of it is also defrauding parts of the tax code by putting out impossible hiring standards so they can show to the government that they're "growing", when the job never could be filled.
@@ASNS117Zero They also use the excuse they can't find local talent to cover that position to apply for H1B visas with lower than standard requirements, then you have to train someone underskilled who is getting underpaid under threats of being fired and deported who got in through that H1B.
My husband has seen this from both sides, as the interviewer and the person being interviewed. In the end, a lot of time it’s HR that writes the job descriptions, not the manager who’s looking for a new hire. When my husband was a manager, he’d complain a lot about how HR screens applicants b/c he was the kind of manager who cared more about an applicants ability to learn rather than solely experience. He said he’d be happier with a candidate who could learn something rather than the one who ticks boxes, but has no motivation to go beyond what they already know. He’d complain to HR a lot about sending him ‘no resumes’ even though he was hiring for a sought after position. He’d wonder how it was possible that nobody applied and then he’d talk to HR and they’d be like ‘nobody passed the initial screening’. He works in IT.
@@paxandlux This infuriates me. I work in IT and I lost my job in october. I'm a junior with 3 years of experience. I'd say one of my strengths is learning quickly and my seniors liked me a lot for it in my previous jobs. But right now, I can't even get an interview because all jobs are only hiring 5+ years of experience people. I'm getting filtered by automated systems who don't see the keywords they're looking for. It's true there's a lot of garbage applicants (I'm Canadian and the lying immigrant stereotype exists for a reason), but refusing to hire juniors because of it is simply insane. Even a senior will need to learn the precise tech stack of your company and with how the market is, people hiring juniors will get some loyalty for it. And if no one hires juniors, knowledge won't get passed down to the next generation...
Some want to run country as a corporation, others as a homeland. It is like wanting to replace your family memebers at home for more productive strangers to make your household GDP higher.
@@cagribaba4464 Most definitely happens in the U.S. And not just in the tech industry. The gas station down the street from me is almost all Indians now.
Go look up Jayant Bhandri and what he says about Indian culture. Spoiler alert it's not favorable. It mirrors 2020's extraction with the gauy who plays Thor as the lead.
Printing citizenship is like printing money. It debases the original holders assets and detrimentally affects the less well off - those who appreciated those assets the most. Those pushing such policies know that they can hedge against the downsides and benefit themselves at everyone else's cost.
I was denied an h1b visa in 2006 because I was white. They effectively said "We're lowering the amount given out and giving out more h1b's to India proportionately so you don't get one. soz" So it's not JUST about skill shortage
"America cannot survive on C-average Americans." Vivek Ramaswamy If Vivek is truly concerned about the economic and technological advancement of the Chinese, the US and EU could simply prevent our tech experts from going there and imposing travel restrictions to China. China seems to be a stagnant economy reliant on foreign expertise for any advancement at all because their actual population is stuck working 70-hour work weeks. Never being able to accrue any capital to start up their own enterprise even if the government were to allow it. Plus, the number of _potential_ people for jobs can easily be unattainable if you look at the criteria needed to fulfill a job. It is also revealing that the people advocating for more specialist work visas are the people in a prime position to open institutions to allow people domestically to work towards accreditation to fill those roles. They don't even need to make money if these specialists are so necessary that operating a trade school at a loss to ensure your own future employees seems like a huge net-gain in terms of access to human capital. This exact thing resulting in Elon Musk calling the potential workforce he could have "useless" for taking advantage of at the mere suggestion.
We were all intentionally made stupid in school though like so many people had so many talents and potential and I literally watched it get drained out of them over 12 years
It's tech CEOs, not "tech bros", who want this. Regular tech workers understand these workers are not Oppenheimer and Einstein, they are random database admins that are barely competent at best and they will work 80 hours a week for substandard pay. I used to interview candidates all the time who claimed they had masters degrees in various IT fields and 80% of the Indian candidates just had zero knowledge of the skills they claimed to be using in 10 years of professional experience. Zero knowledge, not just bad.
@@Moe_Posting_Chad The companies might think this sounds good on paper, but the reality is that the work is done poorly. Look how badly things are going these days. Look at all the network problems and outages, all the hackings. It all adds up when you think about it...
@@DarkLightProjector Look at all the network problems and outages, all the hackings. It all adds up when you think about it. such a good point bro, it reminds me of all the food recalls happening in the united states recently, there seems to be a pattern of it happening more this year just by virtue of seeing news stories on this more frequently. E Coli is spread through feces and I wonder how many illegals that are picking our fruits are shitting all over the fields. Also cross contamination from dirty surfaces and equipment is to blame but I don't think this would be happening in Norway as much (or a more white country that has on average higher IQS).
@@DarkLightProjector yeah the thing with nontechnical leaders is that they ignore everything the tech people say about quality. as long as paper targets are being met that's all that matters, so they don't understand that they are destroying their orgs by bringing these people in
I've applied for hundreds of jobs in my area. Literally hundreds (not an exaggeration I've applied at Krogers, Walmart, Target, ect all the businesses in my area). Not one has hired me. I've had only a handful of job interviews and all of them except one ended well. You can't convince me Americans are "demotivated" while people like me are being sidelined for foreigners. It's not fair to my parents, to my grandparents or my ancestors who built this country.
What was the position you applied to? Have to also understand the rising phenomenon of fake job postings that is happening in the market. First of all, it allows the companies to shift through all the best candidates when they actually need employees months in the future. Second, it creates the impression of constant growth by constant hiring. Some job posting websites offer to post a job for free (Linked In) with absolutely nothing to lose from doing so.
@CuriousScholar13 yea man totally, being in a similar position watching the places you apply to hire and fire the ppl they hired over you makes me totally feel loke its my fault.
My concern with doge is that instead of actually downsizing the government bureaucracy, elon just creates more government contracts to outsource bureaucratic work to private companies. So instead of actually reducing government spending, he just made govenrment spending go into the hands of unaccountable private entities that don’t have the same disclosure laws as govenrment institutions. It may be a bait and switch. I never have trusted elon, as his fortune has been entirely dependent on govenrment subsidy, whether it be for electric cars or space exploration
If it's being done by a private firm INSTEAD of a government agency, that would save money in most cases. NASA's shuttle program vs. SpaceX is a good example. Outsourcing wouldn't mean the government bureaucracy would still keep functioning at its current size in ADDITION to a private contractor doing the same thing, that makes zero sense. Outsourcing means the original producer of the good or service in question gets *replaced,* not *added to.*
@@freespeechenjoyerthere are trade offs to privatization beyond just the financial aspect. The biggest downside is the lack of direct government accountability for outsourced work. Think about the difference between hiring a publicly funded army vs an entirely mercenary army from private contractors. A mercenary just cares about a paycheck, not defending a country. Private companies don’t need to be as transparent as the government, as foia would not apply for a private entity. Not are private companies necessarily required to care about the public interest. It’s the same logic as hiring an Indian worker for 30% less with no additional support vs hiring an American/British worker a market rate wage with investment in career development
@@freespeechenjoyer That assumes there's a lack of corruption. (Fun fact: Local construction companies demonstrate that there's plenty of corruption) When powerful people give the contracts to people with kickbacks, and motivation to be ineffective. The job ends up done over years instead of months, and faces the risk of needing to be redone (Possibly by the same people) as I saw in my high school.
>Do you want American to _win_ or do you want America to _lose_ ? I want _America_ PS: His analogy to sports team has a more dour interpretation. Who owns the sports teams?
I knew we were in a bad spot when Trump announced Noem as DHS secretary 😑 (for context, Noem is pretty dishonest and has a terrible ethics track record: look her name up on The Federalist--they've covered her past)
Meanwhile, he spends the whole day tweeting. The guy probably does do any work at all at this point besides lobbying the government to prevent restrictions on China. The only work he does do is tell his indentured serfs to work harder. As soon as they get out of the working society tend to turn into cartoon caricature capitalist tyrants.
Elon orders test tube babies and abandons their mothers and the children themselves within a few years. He has done this enough times to warrant an invalidation of his moral character.
Have work with Jeets Jeets can barely program Jeets have negative communication skills Jeets have a bias to hire their own Jeets are hired cause they are cheap and desperate Your boomer MBA manager and activist HR just want to save cost at the cost of skill cause they don't know the difference between a highly skilled vs low skill knowledge worker.
> The fundamental limiting factor in Silicon Valley is the shortage of excellent engineering talent. 7:32 "Elon's looking for a very narrow constituent that makes up a small number of people in the entire world" Elon's talking about H-1B visas (importing wage slaves) for patent mills and software mills so he can run them like sweatshops and drive down wages with foreign labor, which Americans won't accept, and conflating it with O-1A visas (exceptional talent) for the top 0.000001% of engineering talent, and Sargon falls for that bait and switch.
These people tell us we need these workers due to low births and applications from natives while simultaneously telling us they will be replaced in 5 to 10 years with robots.
It doesn't matter how qualified Chang or Patel are for the job, Smith is already here and should thus get the job because that's the best thing for OUR society.
@@deleted01 "Smith can't compete" means Smith wants a good salary but his company knows Chang and Patel will work for less while barely speaking English.
That isn't a good analogy. Those trans athletes are miles better than the women. Imagine an NBA team importing WNBA players to drive down NBA salaries.
America once venerated the intelligent, but not as the "Nerd", but as the Greeks sought, the Olympian, the Astronaut was the ideal American Hero of the space age, joining the ranks of cowboys, pioneers, minutemen, settlers. The ideal was someone who was a scientist, and a physical specimen of envy. Warriors who were intellects, has been a thing of honor since the Assyrians, to be merely a brute or merely a feeble scholar has never been honored by worthwhile cultures. America has progressively had people that wanted to shun the "Olympian", and instead chose to throw barriers in between those with promise, and those who have shown little promise have been given great aid. Rather than playing to strengths, we've scorned strength from the system level, not the cultural level, we've always loved success, we've loved our olympians. It's not that Americans lack the will, it's not that Americans have the wrong culture, it's not that Americans can't cut it, it's that the Americans with promise are told to take up massive debt while any aid is yoinked away, while we take those who are worse, be they foreign or domestic but of the right demographic, our education system has been set up to make people who are effectively illiterate. Instead of recognizing the system has actively worked against the native, and created barriers and sabotaged development, they want to merely discard us as broken, for cheaper, lower quality foreign products.
Fantastic comment. This is the spirit of the age, and ironically, it's tragic. To take this further, we can say that America has traded Greece for Rome; Achilles for Crassus.
It's about cheap labor. If they hired Americans, we would have more Americans having families and having children. They are outsourcing all of our jobs then people can't afford families.
There’s no shortage of engineers in America. There’s a shortage of tech slaves that Elon wants to work 100 hour weeks for $150K/year. To find those slaves, he needs immigrants from India and China.
I'd work for $150,000 a year, but not a second longer than 40 hours per week, and much of that time will be soent procrastinating. Much less of that time would have been spent procrastinating 5 years ago when $150,000 bought twice as much, now it's realistically not substantially much better than my true value adjusted starting salary. If I'm not going to be paid in true value terms substantially more than I was paid when I started out despite several years more experience and specialist knowledge under my belt, I don't see why I should bother trying to do more per week than I did when I started. If they want me to do more, I demand a wage increase exceeding inflation, barely or not even keeping pace with inflation means I'm just not going to put in the work and they're just going to have to deal with it.
@@sanjacobs6261 America, like everyone else, already welcomes superstars. The issue at hand is as mentioned above, using your argument as a distraction. It is impossible to have enough superstars by definition.
@@sanjacobs6261 America, like everyone else, already welcomes superstars. The issue at hand is as mentioned above, using your argument as a distraction. It is impossible to have enough superstars by definition.
@@sanjacobs6261wrong. The shorted is no opportunity for talent to present itself. Most all higher end jobs are achieved through politics, not competence.
What is the point of Germany if there is no such thing as an ethnic German? What is the point of England if there is no such thing as an ethnic Englishman? What is the point of Italy if there are no ethnic Italians? Would anyone seriously argue that a language space alone is enough to justify a political entity? Surely there must be more to it than just Indians and Bantus speaking English within the political entity called England while having line go up...
Consider the ideals of the globalist elite: national boundaries are an inconvenient leftover of a bygone era, the future is a politically unified humanity in a single global market. The differences created by language and geographic distribution need to be smoothed out to achieve this goal, complaints against this are just negging from narrow minded luddites and racist.
You know what I’m emotionally attached to? My Country not smelling or looking like a POS. Elon just wants his cheap and easily available labor from India. Hes lost the plot here and im worried about him as he has Trumps ear.
Also those pilots needed the math skills because computers are not what they became in the 1980s. They still haven't figured out flying cars... Drones though are a another problem that could end up putting us the path to skynet.
The US "C-student" that he dismisses is likely also much more educated, competent and productive than the rubber-stamped "A+" people churned out of an Indian diploma mill.
In my family, Christmas is a 20-person affair. Uncles, Aunts, and all their children, and recently a few grandkids as well, get together at my grandmother's house every 2 years.
My grandmother has 5 adult children, 10 adult grandchildren, and getting on 35 great grandchildren. We have every major holiday at her house and she wouldn't have it any other way. Of course now that she's 85 and mostly blind, my mom and my aunts have taken over the parties and the grandchildren and great grandchildren do the cleaning up.
@KurNorock Same in my family. I live on the other side of the world from them now, so I can't attend anymore. I generally don't mind it, but I do miss the family Christmas's.
Have you gotten concrete feedback from interviews? In the past I've found you can if you ask strongly enough. There is clearly gonna be tons of hiring in that area, so I strongly encourage you study/practice/learn hard, like a few focused hours each day, more if you can (depending on age/family/employment situation), and make sure you can demonstrate a high level of skill. I'm 100% opposed to Elon and the tech bros on this, but I don't things have gotten nearly to the point where it's hopeless for someone with the right skills.
@@yiani31 Semiconductor engineers are an incredible rarity, you need to understand that these people are more akin to surgeons than they are a typical office worker, interviews are typically merely a formality in the hiring process for them. The only time an issue may come about is if they need to qualify for a security clearance. If it is not for being ineligible for a clearance, the reasons for foregoing a hire in that area are likely due to some form of impropriety.
These are desperate times. I'm a Technician at a recycling plant. Literally work in trash and squallor. HOWEVER I make 90k/year (in an area where the average income is 35k) and got certified on like 5 different types of heavy equipment, learned FCAW welding, intermediate troubleshooting of industrial electronics and mechanical systems, etc. My job is going NOWHERE. Other than my boss I'm the single most valuable employee in my plant lol. If tech won't take you I and tradesman like me will gladly take you and pay you well for showing up and keeping up.
@@BrosanXIII Computer engineers likely won't be interested in trade jobs, that isn't what they studied for, the issue is where the jobs they have studied and trained for are being provisioned. Your job is only secure because not even Indians from a country with an average IQ that is sub 90 are also unwilling to perform your work. If they were, you too would be gainfully unemployed. I get you are trying to be nice, and encourage people to better themselves, but people who spent years dedicated to their field and training in it, learning everything they can all the while they are being told that they are needed; are suddenly told that they are inadequate for the job. Naturally, they'd have a bitter taste in their mouth. Imagine knowing everything you do about your line of work, and one day your boss walks up to you and says; "sorry buddy we need someone more adept at this role, we're going to have to let you go", as he completes this statement you see your brownskinned replacement walk by and mocks you for your supposed incompetence. I am pretty sure if this scenario transpired, and all of your skills were suddenly declared to be superfluous and trivial after having spent so much time to acquire them. I'd imagine you'd be demoralized as well.
Vikek is not American Kissin is not British They are members of other nations. They are here to advance their respective nations on the world stage for their own ethno-religious interests. The longer it takes for us, the nations of Europe to realize this, the harder it will be to safeguard our own interests in the future.
Thank you. I'm glad there are others willing to acknowledge this. Its time to reckon that if we are gonna gonna advocate for our self interest. Meaning our immediate domestic populations. Its not always going to align even to those having similar persuasions. Because there are differences to what they want. Which isn't always what we want. Its time to get to brass tax here if we want our civilization to be inherited and maintained by OUR populations and not foreigners that are taking advantage of the door being opened by our globalist political elites.
Wait till they all find out how much of a fan he is for the CCP too. Elon parrots the official talking points and lobbies hard to prevent any restrictions being put on China
OK, so apparently there are laws - laws - in place in Hungary that allow hiring foreign talent if and only if the position can not be filled by a Hungarian first. It seems Orban solved this issue to the satisfaction of both parties.
This is why all the American tech jobs have ludicrous job descriptions and require 5+ years of experience for entry level jobs. "We couldn't find a native with these credentials" by design.
@@rauminen4167 you're using American natives infrastructure and intellectual property to enrich a person who will be siphoning economic potential out of the country. You can personally be in favor of importing an underclass, but it's an exceptionally trashy thing to argue in favor of.
@rauminen4167 because there isnt a shortage to begin with. Tech companies need to look like theyre hiring at all times to appear like theyre in constant growth states when in reality they just want to lower software developer pay if they can. The same thing that happened to manufacturing is happening in tech at the behest of boomer managers with no sense of country.
Elon is starting from a utopian view of the tech world. "Permanent shortage" means he thinks there should be an infinite amount of said talent. All resources have limits. Deal with it, tech bros. The rest of us don't exist to fulfill your dystopian cyberpunk fantasies.
We don't live in a zero sum world. Infinite growth is achievable. Assuming they assimilate, there is no problem importing labor to catalyze the industries that improve are lives.
@@NA.NA.. Yes, we do live in a zero sum world. There are only so many people on the planet. There is only so much time in a day. New things can be made, but they require an investment of time, energy and manpower, all of which are limited. Elon thinks he's entitled to all of it now and forever, in perpetuity, exponentially increasing, with no negotiation with the other human beings that fill the world around him and uphold the rest of society. That's utopian. Also, they don't assimilate, and they don't improve *our* lives.
@@NA.NA.. well they fail to pass your assumption. Thats the problem. Mass immigration with no integration. All it has done is move people from the slums of one country to create slums in a new country.
The valediction of my high school was also the star football player. Most of the jocks were in honors and AP classes. The idea that jocks are dumb meatheads is outdated and wrong, and this was in the early 2000s.
Correct, they are disproportionately high IQ and positive high positive personality traits. As ever the stereotypes are a sort of covered confession via projection by the sort of people who end up in media jobs, namely leftists and a group highly entrenched within the wider elite.
Elon's 'clarification' about only wanting the top 0.01% was extremely disingenuous. THAT subset is covered by the O-1 Visa, as a CEO of 4 tech companies he absolutely knows this, and for 2 days the entire conversation was about H1B Visas.
Seems he wants to expedite that process, but I dont doubt that his scope is larger and more generally motivated by importing people whom America can work harder and pay less; the illegal immigrant argument.
I think the confusion over this issue is that men like Musk and Ramaswamy assume that what's good for their business is automatically good for America. It's not. If there's a Venn diagram of those two things, they may overlap. They may even overlap to a large degree. But they don't completely match up and this is one of the most important areas. If I had to choose between losing my culture and a hit to the GDP, I'd choose a hit to the GDP every time. Musk, being an everywhere globalist, would choose to destroy every last shred of our culture if it meant his net worth went up 5%.
@@NA.NA..all of them. Also, just because they wear my clothes and speak my language, it doesn't make them an American. If I move to Gustemala, learn Spanish, and dress like a Guatemalan, does that mean I'm a Guatemalan? Of course not.
@@peteschaub7561 hate to break it to you but after a generation or two, of living with Guatemalans, speaking with Guatamalans, working with Guatamalans, being educated with Guatamalans, banging Guatamalans, going to church with Guatamalans etc you're gonna be a Guatamalan.
@@peteschaub7561 hate to break it too you if you speak like a guatamalan, cook like a guatamalan, dress like a guatamalan, go to mass like a guatamalan, get educated like a guatamalan, work like a guatamalan, or fight like a guatamalan youre going to be a guatamalan. doubly so for your kids, and successive generations
As a Brit I can GUARANTEE that I wouldn’t qualify for a visa to Canada despite having a law degree and being a programme manager. Meanwhile, Patel somehow gets in to deliver uber eats… Not that I’d want to live in Canada mind you.
I have a few degrees in engineering, and let me tell you, there isn't a western "shortage" of engineers, it's purely a pay/training problem that companies don't want to front the costs for. I never went into the industry after I got my second degree because I was faced with the prospect of "get a £15,000 uni degree and then after that, be forced to take a 40h/week 4 year contract for £23,000/year" or just work in a supermarket and make £25,000/year and be provided free food on top of that. If companies weren't offering engineers terrible pay for awful work they would find that there are literally THOUSANDS of them doing nothing right now. Engineers are problem solvers by nature. If they aren't taking the bait, it's because we are literally trained to min/max and to be able to spot a good deal when we see one... My personal experience was that I either take the typical path of earning at a net negative for the first 6-7 years (very typical in the field these days) or I take an RAF sponsorship which required being locked into a 5-10 year contract that didn't prohibit active service... all that for £26k/year.
@@James-sk4dbnobody in America complains about making 150k. We are making 50,60,70k if we're lucky. That's before taxes. My 52k a year nets me about 38 to 40k a year maybe.
not a single indian in my town until 2018 when a gas station ran by them opened, every employee is an indian, this year a gas station that had existed for decades somehow got bought out by indians and it's the same there, the half dozen or so white employees that did work there fired and now only indians run the store.
Happens where I live a lot too. The moment an Indian gets in charge of a business, they rapidly swap out almost every employee for more underpaid Indians.
How is it that one of the "Smartest men in the world" was genuinely surprised by the fact that a movement based on protecting American culture from immigration... wants to protect American culture from immigration? For a "genius", Elon sure is stupid sometimes.
I used to think kindly toward people regardless of who they were or where they came from, but life experience has taught me to be way more skeptical. Most nations believe that it is fine to lie, cheat and bribe your way through existence. Until recently my country, mostly taught its children that this is an abhorrent way to conduct oneself. As time has gone on this mindset seems to have been caste aside in favoure of rampant consumerism and downright dishonesty. My husband was approached at the university he attended by a wealthy Indian student who suggested that he could organise for someone to do my husband's assignemnts, just as he did, for a fee.... I also refuse to do business with people who bare face lie to you in order to gain a contract, as has happened to me multiple times..... I no longer will subject myself to "doctors" from these countries as there is no guarantee that they actually did their training. I'm sorry if you find this offensive but this has been my actual experience AND THIS IS WHAT CHANGED MY THINKING. Cultural perspectives inform ones behaviour and some don't mesh well. That does not in essence make them bad, just different and sometimes best done separately.
I may be cynically looking at his statement but the term "Highly Motivated" comes off as willing to work in poorer conditions/ for lower pay without complaining.
Not cynical at all man that's EXACTLY what it means, the older I get the more it becomes clear, everything is about money to these people the just want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for peanuts while they reap the bulk of the reward and we get thrown just enough of a bone and told not to complain, you are lucky you have a job in the first place.
I have a degree in CS. I have never gotten a job in the field. I'm just one person, maybe I am the exception. But, for me personally, I've never been able to buy the "can't fill all the jobs" narrative. Haven't video game and social media companies been laying off tons of people the past couple years? Why are those people not able to fill all these openings they apparently have?
Same, made my way up through IT cause I didn't have time to wait for one of these seriously needed engineering positions to open up. Its super common to join an IT team with 2 dudes aiming for the next open engineering position. Or at least it was, until the IT market for bad. Its tough to find work there too
Why did you graduate college without ever having held a job/internship in your field? You did college wrong. It isn’t just courses. Your more motivated peers kicked your ass and took your jobs. All my computer science friends graduated into 6 figure jobs. Immediately bought homes. Held numerous jobs during college like someone with a brain would do
@CuriousScholar13 because internships are rare in cs? One of the many i applied for didnt even get to my application until 5 years after I applied. Got a call while working my career job asking if I was still interested cause I was finally next in line. Comments like yours are just ignorant of the market and how college students live. Just apply to hundreds of exclusive internships, work a full time job to fight off the college debt, apply to work full time lower level entry positions in your field, take 15 - 20 credit hours with project work, and try to find a partner and live on your own likely for the first time. All while you are entering the adult world and becoming about the lowest status age you'll be on your life. What im getting at is if there are failures in the college class of America, it is primarily the wider community, the education system, and neighboring corporations not supporting the students.
I have a korean friend who has to work off a visa but nobody wants to hire the guy despite being qualified because they know theres an expectation of fair pay in that country. This is purely about money. There is no skill issue.
From my experience, the good looking jocks at school were always perfectly pleasant and whenever they hurt someone it was by accident. It was the nerds and the alternative kids (me included lol) who were kind of bitter and twisted at times and who would do each other vindictive harm. And the actual bullies weren't usually jocks. They were troubled kids from violent families. The thing is that all the TV and movie writers were nerds in school, jealous of the jocks and so when they grew up they made jocks villains in their screenplays as a sort of revenge fantasy.
The valediction of my high school was also the star football player. Most of the jocks were in honors and AP classes. The idea that jocks are dumb meatheads is outdated and wrong, and this was in the early 2000s.
Always accurate. You should judge a book by the cover because its most of the time accurate. Its always the alternative (SMELLY) kids that are the savages and they make no effort to hide the ugliness inside.
100%. I had a foot in both worlds in school - I was an absolute nerd and computer geek, but I worked out in the school gym and took all the physical education courses because my family knew the guy in charge of the PE department. Can confirm, this was overwhelmingly the case. The bullies and the sports kids almost never overlapped. There were *some* exceptions, but they could be counted on one hand. The bullies almost always came out of families with some sort of bad home life, and were basically just acting out because of the abuse they were suffering.
They got rid of honors classes and gifted student programs here over the last 5 years. Went all the way to the supreme court. Wonder why there's a lack of local homegrown talent. It's by design
Extremely Talented + Extremely Motivated + Engineers If only two of these things were changeable . . . Nah, gotta change the entire makeup of our country.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644No it isn’t, it was built by europeans for europeans. But like i said in a different comment your ass can get back in the locker.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 can you not understand how that is entirely separate from the millions migrating to america now? illegally or not America only works because it isnt mixing with a bunch of other countries. Rather the bunch of other countries are mixing with it. Understand the difference
Statistically untrue. White America is over 30% descended from 1 English boat. America was until 1950 over 80% white constantly. with 13% black and less than 5% of all other races.
This is why I am glad that we can have an open discussion about these sort of things. Meanwhile the lefties say this is an echo chamber while they go out their way to avoid 'platforming' anyone with differing views.
We dont need to let in a single nonhwyte to western countries. We dont need them at all, our countries were objectively better as 100% hwite countries. Our peopIe are better, thats just a fact. The others have never contributed to this world and provide us absolutely zero value. And we will go back to that 100% pure population. Any who stand in our way will suffer our wrath.
@Ambander-p3x We gotta be realistic. Its gonna take several generations to fix our cultural messes. And as much as we must resist globalism, Japan is a great example of an empire that opened its borders. The balance is difficult and it is not clear if the people that make up a nation are capable of preventing the erosion of their nation due to commerce and cultural exchange. Again look at Japan. Just a few decades later... But that's my thought. Step one for real true MAGA is no immigration of any kind for 50 to 100 years, longer if the will to keep it that way remains strong. That is what I am hoping for.
The CEOs of all those tech companies are Indian. Remember this the next time you bemoan the enshittification of EVERYTHING related to those companies. Most of them have been doing that for a decade or more.
As a English native I have always felt unwanted I have never come across any genuine opportunity to train or progress and become anything better I feel I'm required to be bottom of the pile to do the body trashing crap labour .but I see recently arrived people in good jobs I don't get it .😢
I was on my way to buying a house until I was laid off and replaced by an H1-B holder. Couldn't find another job for over a year. The tech bros destroyed my livelihood and delayed my future for another 0.01% on top of their already absurd revenues.
I don't know anymore. I thought he was genuine. But if you are going to defend anything your colleagues say just out of ' loyalty ', the world rightly sees you as spineless..
No culture values intelligence. They value success. Intelligence is the scapegoat used to justify why some have more, without denigrating yourself. Elon opinion is considered because he is successful, nit because he is smart. If he was working the day shift somewhere, no one would give a crap about it, no matter how correct or intelligent his ideas or opinions are. It's a failing of successful people. They achieved success, and likely put in hard work, intelligently. They then have a hard time realizing, that more factors than the personal, determine success. Environment is a big factor, and they seem to be ignoring it, because the environment, as they came up, was, at the very least, less hostile to their success than it currently is today. I've probably run off on a tangent. Git focused on one part of the argument, and completely forgot what this whole video was about.
Another thing is Elon’s opinion is not an actual opinion. Much like many other things Elon says, it is a calculated and intentional lie to further his own interests. He does the same when it comes to his China’s entanglement and friendship with the CCP
Yeah we should really start distributing resources according to what people needs and not their abilities. And I would gladly volunteer for thankless jobs of distributing these resources to the masses.
One reason there are so many very good Chinese and Indian mathematicians and computer scientists is simply because the populations of each of those countries is over 4x that of America.
I find the ‘normal’ comments a bit baffling b/c I grew up in an extremely dysfunctional situation. This really was a life goal for both me and my spouse, given our backgrounds. It really hate how the elite promotes dysfunctional and chaotic lives. I realize that normal isn’t a life goal for most people b/c they already lead normal lives and have a set of normal expectations. However, for a small minority of people, this really is a thing. I’m glad I grew up when stable and normal was promoted and not dysfunction and chaos. This kind of thing matters more than people want to believe. It’s a basic thing, but a lot of families do manage to screw it up. We had to work really hard to just get to normal. I resent this idea that people don’t want to work for what they have. A lot of people don’t want the kind of wealth Vivek has, but they still want to provide a living for themselves and their family. I’m simply tired of money alway trumping culture in people’s brains.
I also grew up in a chaotic not-normal environment and have strived to be normal and provide my family with a normal life. This is a good thing, and i hate the disdain for an honest, normal life, it should be the thing that the majority of people aim for and should be respected and venerated.
Aside from the things you mentioned, there's also the issue with women. I'm a 60yo grandmother and I'm harassed online (not often) and IRL (often) by those men. Trust me, I'm NOT attractive anymore. Their culture is just so different. They can be in the States for 10+ years, doesn't matter. Our daughter gets it even worse because a lot of her business is online. My husband and sons have come close to actual fights with them. I'm sure Many North American women would agree.
Aye, I remember my younger sister mentioning that she didn't feel safe walking around the neighborhood when we lived in a commercial area that had for some time built itself on having excessive cheap immigrant labor and sitting on the two main roads in the valley.
Legally, there are no tech jobs exclusively for foreigners. However, if the job requirements are intentionally impossible (ala many "entry level" listings), then they are permitted to search internationally (with more lax requirements and credentials).
28:40 _He still doesn’t get it._ The true goal of these people isn’t societal _change,_ it’s societal _upheaval._ Okay, here’s an example that should suit you; you know those Christmas villages that you once saw in the shopfronts of major stores, with all the elaborate wooden buildings and people, and even a little train going round and round? Now, imagine someone gets a bug up their bum about how this innocent little thing meant for children is _actually_ enforcing systemic heteronormative standards, and takes it upon themselves to go in and flip the entire thing over, before declaring it a victory for the oppressed classes. _That’s_ the kind of mentality we’re dealing with here-the kind that sees destruction as the only path to redemption.
One thing of note on "normalcy". There is one kind of person who aspires to normalcy. The exceptional. If you watched Avatar: The Last Airbender, Sokka is envious of Aang being special, and Aang just wants to be a normal kid for once. Same thing in Ender's Game. Ender, groomed by the military to save the world, just wants to be normal. Same thing in Harry Potter. Harry hates being "the chosen one". The only kind of person who aspires to normalcy is the person who's never been able to experience it.
Reminds me of the lyrics of the Rush song "Mission". "I hear their passionate music Read the words that touch my heart I gaze at their feverish pictures The secrets that set them apart When I feel the powerful visions Their fire has made alive I wish I had that instinct I wish I had that drive... It's cold comfort To the ones without it To know how they struggled How they suffered about it If their lives were exotic and strange They would likely have gladly exchanged them For something a little more plain Maybe something a little more sane We each pay a fabulous price For our visions of paradise"
The hiring process in big tech is also susceptible to corruption. Indian employees of the company will refer other Indians (many sell referrals on Blind for example) and get the company referral bonus and give a kickback to those involved in hiring the referred candidate
“Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point, which means, at the point of highest reality.” - CS Lewis The symbol of America is a bald eagle for a reason. Not an owl. Even if most of us listening are more like owls. Read your Nietzsche. I am not surprised by Elon and Vivek saying these things. They were already inferring it. These leaders are not perfect, Trump too. The rift opening on the right between liberals and conservatives is good. It means we’re winning.
Agreed. I'm open to healthy debate, but for a long time the tent has expanded to encompass far too many that do not sit well with the traditionalist or conservative world view.
@ Yes, but this kind of coalition is necessary at this time. This is my major issue with Christians, many of whom are so stubborn about their dogma that they are unwilling to form coalitions for the greater good. Some kind of Christian nationalist party will never be more than a small minority. Better that the Trump team is in power and we can fight about H1Bs and economic policy than leftists who are actively trying to destroy society and create mass demoralization. Unless you are an accelerationist.
You could raid mechanic shops for tech talent. You give yhose guys something as solid as 1s and 0s to work with, a chair and an office, and they'll think they're in heaven.
@twiggledy5547 debugging any programming language is much more straightforward than searching a rusted chassis for a chewed through wire, or trying to get the fuel mixture right in a replaced engine. Or for, may Allah forgive me, working on newer diesel engines.
@@glideronthemoon See that's the genius of it all. Things are getting so hard to work on you just fucking give up and have to buy a new one or send it to a special factory.
Vinik is absolutely American. Those of you with this fixation on ethnic purity are absolutely asking to be isolated from the political game. There is no ethnic loyalty even within your own ethnicity, probably the biggest traitors are from your own ethnicity.
The whole sports team metaphor is incredibly poor. The city's sports team is a for-profit company owned by a billionaire not native to the city, who employs millionaires not native to the city to compete against other millionaires in billion dollar megacomplexes funded by the locals who have to pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege of enjoying the matches in said arenas. And if the team decides they can get a better deal elsewhere? They can pack up, take all of the in-team infrastructure and the name, and relocate to another random city in the nation. I don't think anyone actually likes these, and you cannot be exactly proud of the fact that the manager bought the correct player that has absolutely zero ties to your hometown.
My family has been in this country for over 300 years. Both sides. Vivek & Elon are foreigners, US passport be damned. We are not the same. America isnt just a land mass, we are a people. The American people.
Culturally they fit in though, that's the difference, my only gripe with immigration is when they don't fit into the value system of the new country yet these two are like reminders of what the core values of the US were and that you need to get back to those values
@NA.NA.. evidently there is clearly an assimilation problem with FOB anchor babies and foreign born newcomers. Immigrants are about to FAFO. This isn't UK.
Elon's grandfather was american... who cares about how long your family has been here. You're not in a position to change anything... Also, my ancestors have been here since before yours came over from across the ocean but that doesnt make my opinion any more or less valid than yours. Grow the F up.
What a moronic argument. America had far more freedoms in its past when it wouldn't have ever even entertained importing non-european labour. You only started importing like this after JFK got his dome popped.
Glorious revolution and the supremacy of parliament, which rather more than anything to do with freedom was a sacrilegious blow against the divine order and the Christian faith. Usurpers gained ascendancy and created liberalism to justify it, give the logic to Rousseau and you come to what we have now, evil.
Good. Debts will be collected. It is a long time coming that the natural consequences finally caught up to those that believed they were insulated from consequence. Its sad that this is how its gonna be. And it surely will only snowball out of control.
@@deaj8450 The only mistake with the Constitution is that they didn't make it UNAMBIGUOUS that the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND applies to businesses. Were any of the Framers here today, they would see a company like, let's even say Kellog as a tyrant just as threatening as the State!
It's funny you mention this about Indians. Australia: I've just had a discussion with a friend and all these internal issues being created have magically arisen as the number of Indians/Sri-lankans has grown. Incredible insular, discrimination based on role and responsibility and the girls are complaining about sexism and harassment,
Elon actually did comment on the Indian supremacist guy's comments. He just said that he was a troll and we should all brush it off. So I guess punishment won't be forthcoming
I sincerely hope Carl reads this, but Elon already owns a town, it’s next to Brownsville, Texas. It’s the headquarters of SpaceX. And he already has an engineering school, it’s in the town he owns in Brownsville.
"Skill shortage" is corpo-speak for "labour cost are too high, import the low-pay browns"
Absolutely
Its weird. One literal nobody hits one of them. They all recoil in shock and fear. How dare an ant bite me? Don't they know how wealthy I am?
*Debts will be collected in fiat or in flesh.*
The most realistic thing about _Maverick_ was how bad the sixty-something veteran is at training his replacements.
just a slow content month so everyone wants to pretend theres a trump musk split going on
Musk is cheap and doesn't like to pay his engineers.
AI is coming for your job, but we need India for their tech workers. And we need Mexico for their laborers to build houses for all the foreigners that are coming. What?
Every single aspect of America would improve immediately if they were all sent home. More homes, more jobs, more food, less strain on every part of infrastructure, prices would drop for everything, pay would rise, land would free up, less farmland would be needed, less production would be needed.
In one simple move
I've worked places were the engineers were outsourced to Mexico too. Remote work is a doozy for this kind of conversation
keynesian economics is like running downhill, you need to run faster and faster otherwise you'll fall. Also the key metric they use is GDP, which does improve if you bring immigrants since it measures spending and not productivity; if they produce nothing at all and live on welfare the government is going to print money for that and it will be positive for the GDP anyway
So simple, everything is so easy! Everyone else is so dumb!
As an American you can also apply the same to the U.K. they should be encouraging Brits not filling every hotel and castle with people who don't want to be British.
Neither country needs India for the tech workers... America and the U.K. have plenty of tech workers who should be paid instead of importing lower quality workers for less. There are people who are not white who considers themselves to be American or British. Mexico is currently being exploited for their workers and I wonder if Trump this will put a dent in that.
Tell me you know nothing about economics and immigration without telling me you know nothing about economics and immigration.
I have severe Indian fatigue.
If you try some curcumin (supplement from India) it is said to help with inflamation which might help with your (muscle) fatigue. If it is mental fatigue try googling "curcubrain" from NOW products. I'm not affiliated with NOW supplements.
Anyway yeah can you believe the amount of dot...I mean indians now exceeds or equals the amount of chinamen out there? Pretty wild, we got a yellow and brown tsunami coming baby, watch out!
U thot ngr fatigue was something, brace urself for whats coming
Goot morning saar dhis is Jason from Microsoft subport
It’s the smell
They say there is a skills shortage, at the same time they collectively embrace mass layoffs. It’s total bollocks.
Both can be right at the same time
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 they can be, but the reality is that there is plenty of talent around. Tech companies are full of shit, crying wolf here.
Skills lol. How many coders and engineers can change their own oil, grow a self sustaining garden, skin a deer, catch fish, build a shed, ect. These turds are basically useless
This is non-exclusive. If your staff are low on skill and not producing enough to be valuable, mass layoffs make sense because the people aren't earning enough to justify their employment. This is what's happening in the gaming industry.
Elon just wants cheap indentured serfs. Same reason he is completely controlled by China’s United Front
"Americans won't work the high-skill jobs. They also won't work the low-skill jobs. Clearly this is a problem with Americans, not with our hiring processes!"
- Billionaire jeet
"Replacement isn't real bro" - libruls
@@montypython5521replacement is a skill issue
Nick Fuentes was right.
@@robosoldier11sadly. and everyone was dogging on him too
@@jessicaroberts521 Because for every step forward he makes, the kid takes three steps backward.
As a Canadian I can confirm "high skill" jeets do not improve the economy in any way
lol economy is decided by commie trudeu. money printer kills middle class.
They ruin daily life as well
not only are they low skill, they mostly have a non-existent work ethic too. Every time I come to a jeet doing customer service, they do absolutely jack all but say what they think will make me go away without even trying to solve my problem.
here you are, crying like the purple-haired creature in your profile picture
Confirmation from England too. Will add "cultural differences" to the mix.
The problem is that Elon is lying. People dug up h1b applications from Tesla and it showed quite clearly that Tesla is undercutting american salaries when recruiting for manufacturing engineers from India and other places. That's not allowed in our system. The salaries listed there even for an associate engineer are well below market rate. I know this because I'm a hiring manager for technicians and engineers at multiple manufacturing plants. I pay entry level techs (as in electricians and mechanics) a higher salary than what Elon is paying for Engineers from India. That's ridiculous. Elon is gaming the system. Tesla should be investigated for this.
Literally every company is doing it because (((beurocrats))) in banking and govt agencies only offer the best tax and loan rates to businesses that prioritize the hiring of s**tskins.
What did you honestly expect from musk and ramaswampy, if there was really an education problem and not a salary problem then these h1b workers would be making more not less than their american counterparts
I'm not kidding Elon should be imprisoned
Of course he's lying. He had days to clarify and he didn't.
@@notubist This is why a person like Trump (lion) should be in charge. He uses people like Elon for efficiency in government while protecting Americans. You guys in the USA really don't know how lucky you are with Trump. Over here in Europe, a Trump character would never be allowed. Cause in the mind of most people (not just the propagandists), a guy who champions his own people is the second coming of the mustache man. Aka satan.
We need more immigrants to fill all the high-skilled jobs.
But also, we need more immigrants to fill all the low-skilled jobs...
hmmm
But also, you're not being replaced
well you need the right ppl in the right place, you cant have einstein washing plates bc of their country of origin.
@@chucklesee1726 But what about Americans? Where are Americans going to work? They can't work low skilled positions because they're too qualified but they also can't work high skilled positions because they're unqualified, so what are Americans supposed to do?
Maybe the point is that Americans aren't supposed to work, they're supposed to sell their property, become poor and destitute, race to the bottom, and then become a servant class for corporate millionaires? Or maybe what will actually happen is we're just going to go full on mid century because the Saxon learned to hate.
@@chucklesee1726 Ah but I have to have 10K$ in the bank to legally pour Concrete?
Stfu.
Another thing Vivek and Elon are missing is that, the 'jocks" did not only become dumb brutes, they become the Warrirors and Fighters, but also the Blue Collar Workers, the Engineers, and the Mechanics... Trying to create a culture that shuns the normal, hard working boots on the ground type sounds an awful lot like the 'Learn to Code" reborn...
Nobody likes bullies
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644get back in the locker.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 they serve an important and natural role.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 Bullies do. They aspire to it.
Bullies are based.
I don't want America to win. I want Americans to win.
What or who are Americans?
@@NA.NA..not foreigners.
@@NA.NA..you are brown
@@NA.NA.. Dishonest question
@@HighFlyer510 are you familiar with the concept of circular logic
My department was literally shut down for an all Indian vendor that my company hired.I haven't been able to get a job in 8 months and every recruiter I have spoken to for US in-person high skill jobs have *OPENED THE CONVERSATION* in hindi. I personally know five or six guys in the same situation and another guy who just graduated with a masters in EE last year - all have been unable to get any work in tech for over 8 months. Every where *IS* hiring, they're just not hiring White Males.
Layman question here - what obstacles prevent you and the other White guys you know are in the same situation from networking together and pooling your knowledge and resources to build your own rival companies to the ones excluding you? Aside from cost-of-living and the necessary start-up funds of course. Do you need administrators, legal advisors, etc.?
Lol I'll take things that never happened for 800 alex
@@NA.NA.. Why? Why do you doubt it?
Use an Indian name
@@Magic-gt4pl cause I work for general dynamics and we are hiring.
When Elon said to “think of America as if it were a sports team,” the disgust I felt.. I’ve used that as an example of how we got to where we are. Sports team are absolutely nothing but a name, logo, and colors. Everything else is completely interchangeable, including and especially the players, regardless of where they’re from. The Celtics roster probably doesn’t even have a single player from Boston in it. Sports teams are soulless in the truest sense of the word.
And that is exactly how Elon perceives countries. There are no Americans. There is the American sports nation with its flag, colors, and logos. The people it’s currently comprised of are completely interchangeable to people like Musk. If everyone is just an American without their paperwork yet, then there are no Americans. If being American means having certain principles or ideologies, then real Americans that have been here for 200 years aren’t even American to him.
Even the owner, coach, location, and fan base is replaceable.
Being a "prepositional nation" sounds a lot like communism to me. I'd prefer one based on history and heritage with the ability to explore ideas without being declared unAmerican.
Excellently stated.
Does the economy exist to serve people or do people exist to serve the economy? Your answer to that question puts you on one side or another. Each side is mutually exclusive of the other and only one has the strength of numbers.
Money doesn't trump numbers or Trump wouldn't have had the numbers. Those who believe otherwise are the enemies of We The People.
Vivek and Musk can get on the program or get out... one way or another, they'll be out. Nobody buys their narrative anymore. Nobody is buying any narrative anymore. The West showed too much of its hand during the "Disease or Uknown Origin".
America isn't its territory, it's its people. To go against its people is to label oneself Persona non Grata -- with extreme prejudice.
stop exaggerating...
Company: There is a skill shortage.
Me: Hey. I just graduated with a master degree in computer science
Company: This internship needs you to have a master degree, speak 5 languages, have 5 years experience within the field of computer science and be under 25.
Me: ......
Company manager that got into the company with a high school degree in 1990s: There is a skill shortage!!!!
This is a large part of it. A big part of it is also defrauding parts of the tax code by putting out impossible hiring standards so they can show to the government that they're "growing", when the job never could be filled.
@@ASNS117Zero They also use the excuse they can't find local talent to cover that position to apply for H1B visas with lower than standard requirements, then you have to train someone underskilled who is getting underpaid under threats of being fired and deported who got in through that H1B.
My husband has seen this from both sides, as the interviewer and the person being interviewed.
In the end, a lot of time it’s HR that writes the job descriptions, not the manager who’s looking for a new hire. When my husband was a manager, he’d complain a lot about how HR screens applicants b/c he was the kind of manager who cared more about an applicants ability to learn rather than solely experience. He said he’d be happier with a candidate who could learn something rather than the one who ticks boxes, but has no motivation to go beyond what they already know. He’d complain to HR a lot about sending him ‘no resumes’ even though he was hiring for a sought after position. He’d wonder how it was possible that nobody applied and then he’d talk to HR and they’d be like ‘nobody passed the initial screening’. He works in IT.
@@paxandlux This infuriates me. I work in IT and I lost my job in october. I'm a junior with 3 years of experience. I'd say one of my strengths is learning quickly and my seniors liked me a lot for it in my previous jobs. But right now, I can't even get an interview because all jobs are only hiring 5+ years of experience people. I'm getting filtered by automated systems who don't see the keywords they're looking for.
It's true there's a lot of garbage applicants (I'm Canadian and the lying immigrant stereotype exists for a reason), but refusing to hire juniors because of it is simply insane. Even a senior will need to learn the precise tech stack of your company and with how the market is, people hiring juniors will get some loyalty for it.
And if no one hires juniors, knowledge won't get passed down to the next generation...
Some want to run country as a corporation, others as a homeland. It is like wanting to replace your family memebers at home for more productive strangers to make your household GDP higher.
If you're not thinking ethnically/racially/biologically, don't call yourself a nationalist. Vivek is not.
"Sorry, Billy, but ya gotta go. Manuel can do the dishes for $.25 an hour less. Mom agrees."
usa is an ethno-nation? you can't replace talent. or brain power. you won't get an einstein in an american douchtown. nor a von braun.
Well put
@@hre2044 He has the smile of a predator fish: dishonest, hungry, and quickly shed.
Interesting that these “needed” hires just so happen to look like Vivek
Indian chain recruitment is real. Happens in Germany, happens probably in USA.
@@cagribaba4464 Most definitely happens in the U.S. And not just in the tech industry.
The gas station down the street from me is almost all Indians now.
Isn't that such a strange coincidence...
A lot of people look like him.
Go look up Jayant Bhandri and what he says about Indian culture. Spoiler alert it's not favorable. It mirrors 2020's extraction with the gauy who plays Thor as the lead.
Printing citizenship is like printing money. It debases the original holders assets and detrimentally affects the less well off - those who appreciated those assets the most. Those pushing such policies know that they can hedge against the downsides and benefit themselves at everyone else's cost.
Interesting parallel.
I was denied an h1b visa in 2006 because I was white. They effectively said "We're lowering the amount given out and giving out more h1b's to India proportionately so you don't get one. soz" So it's not JUST about skill shortage
"America cannot survive on C-average Americans." Vivek Ramaswamy
If Vivek is truly concerned about the economic and technological advancement of the Chinese, the US and EU could simply prevent our tech experts from going there and imposing travel restrictions to China. China seems to be a stagnant economy reliant on foreign expertise for any advancement at all because their actual population is stuck working 70-hour work weeks. Never being able to accrue any capital to start up their own enterprise even if the government were to allow it.
Plus, the number of _potential_ people for jobs can easily be unattainable if you look at the criteria needed to fulfill a job. It is also revealing that the people advocating for more specialist work visas are the people in a prime position to open institutions to allow people domestically to work towards accreditation to fill those roles. They don't even need to make money if these specialists are so necessary that operating a trade school at a loss to ensure your own future employees seems like a huge net-gain in terms of access to human capital. This exact thing resulting in Elon Musk calling the potential workforce he could have "useless" for taking advantage of at the mere suggestion.
We were all intentionally made stupid in school though like so many people had so many talents and potential and I literally watched it get drained out of them over 12 years
Why wont we listen to people that are smart?
C is supposed to be the average.
@@claudeyazBingo. Most problems stem from our failed education system.
@@flyboymike111357I think he means people in positions of responsibility are c average due to quotas etc.
It's tech CEOs, not "tech bros", who want this. Regular tech workers understand these workers are not Oppenheimer and Einstein, they are random database admins that are barely competent at best and they will work 80 hours a week for substandard pay. I used to interview candidates all the time who claimed they had masters degrees in various IT fields and 80% of the Indian candidates just had zero knowledge of the skills they claimed to be using in 10 years of professional experience. Zero knowledge, not just bad.
They will work twice as long for a third of the pay. Why wouldn't they be used to replace me?
The Indian education system operates on memorising textbooks. 1 day on the job teaches more than all the years spent in college.
@@Moe_Posting_Chad The companies might think this sounds good on paper, but the reality is that the work is done poorly. Look how badly things are going these days. Look at all the network problems and outages, all the hackings. It all adds up when you think about it...
@@DarkLightProjector Look at all the network problems and outages, all the hackings. It all adds up when you think about it.
such a good point bro, it reminds me of all the food recalls happening in the united states recently, there seems to be a pattern of it happening more this year just by virtue of seeing news stories on this more frequently. E Coli is spread through feces and I wonder how many illegals that are picking our fruits are shitting all over the fields. Also cross contamination from dirty surfaces and equipment is to blame but I don't think this would be happening in Norway as much (or a more white country that has on average higher IQS).
@@DarkLightProjector yeah the thing with nontechnical leaders is that they ignore everything the tech people say about quality. as long as paper targets are being met that's all that matters, so they don't understand that they are destroying their orgs by bringing these people in
I've applied for hundreds of jobs in my area. Literally hundreds (not an exaggeration I've applied at Krogers, Walmart, Target, ect all the businesses in my area). Not one has hired me. I've had only a handful of job interviews and all of them except one ended well. You can't convince me Americans are "demotivated" while people like me are being sidelined for foreigners. It's not fair to my parents, to my grandparents or my ancestors who built this country.
Seems the issue is you. Almost everywhere you applied has hired other people since you applied.
What was the position you applied to?
Have to also understand the rising phenomenon of fake job postings that is happening in the market.
First of all, it allows the companies to shift through all the best candidates when they actually need employees months in the future.
Second, it creates the impression of constant growth by constant hiring. Some job posting websites offer to post a job for free (Linked In) with absolutely nothing to lose from doing so.
If they dont do paper apps they most likely are not hiring a white american.
@CuriousScholar13 yea man totally, being in a similar position watching the places you apply to hire and fire the ppl they hired over you makes me totally feel loke its my fault.
My concern with doge is that instead of actually downsizing the government bureaucracy, elon just creates more government contracts to outsource bureaucratic work to private companies. So instead of actually reducing government spending, he just made govenrment spending go into the hands of unaccountable private entities that don’t have the same disclosure laws as govenrment institutions. It may be a bait and switch. I never have trusted elon, as his fortune has been entirely dependent on govenrment subsidy, whether it be for electric cars or space exploration
That sounds really smart
If it's being done by a private firm INSTEAD of a government agency, that would save money in most cases. NASA's shuttle program vs. SpaceX is a good example. Outsourcing wouldn't mean the government bureaucracy would still keep functioning at its current size in ADDITION to a private contractor doing the same thing, that makes zero sense. Outsourcing means the original producer of the good or service in question gets *replaced,* not *added to.*
@@freespeechenjoyerthere are trade offs to privatization beyond just the financial aspect. The biggest downside is the lack of direct government accountability for outsourced work. Think about the difference between hiring a publicly funded army vs an entirely mercenary army from private contractors. A mercenary just cares about a paycheck, not defending a country. Private companies don’t need to be as transparent as the government, as foia would not apply for a private entity. Not are private companies necessarily required to care about the public interest. It’s the same logic as hiring an Indian worker for 30% less with no additional support vs hiring an American/British worker a market rate wage with investment in career development
@@freespeechenjoyeroutsourcing usually goes to the lowest bidder in almost every situation. That's not a good recipe for the best outcome
@@freespeechenjoyer That assumes there's a lack of corruption. (Fun fact: Local construction companies demonstrate that there's plenty of corruption)
When powerful people give the contracts to people with kickbacks, and motivation to be ineffective. The job ends up done over years instead of months, and faces the risk of needing to be redone (Possibly by the same people) as I saw in my high school.
>Do you want American to _win_ or do you want America to _lose_ ?
I want _America_
PS: His analogy to sports team has a more dour interpretation. Who owns the sports teams?
jews
How much are athletes paid?
I honestly thought they'd wait until after the inauguration for the rug pull.
Me too.
I knew we were in a bad spot when Trump announced Noem as DHS secretary 😑
(for context, Noem is pretty dishonest and has a terrible ethics track record: look her name up on The Federalist--they've covered her past)
Elon’s a bit of an idiot sometimes
Did you expect that everyone would start agreeing on everything?
Don't worry, they're going to be walking back all their rhetoric about "deportations" and border security over the coming months.
America is not just our workplace, it’s our home.
Elon wants American engineers to work 60-80 hours per week, then he wonders why no one is having children.
Meanwhile, he spends the whole day tweeting. The guy probably does do any work at all at this point besides lobbying the government to prevent restrictions on China. The only work he does do is tell his indentured serfs to work harder.
As soon as they get out of the working society tend to turn into cartoon caricature capitalist tyrants.
Slight correction.
Elon wants American engineers to work 80 hour weeks for 40 hour pay.
Yep work 80 hours a week on low pay justified by youre miniscule shares you collect the longer you work
Elon orders test tube babies and abandons their mothers and the children themselves within a few years. He has done this enough times to warrant an invalidation of his moral character.
Elon works as much and squeeters out a kid every couple weeks.
Have work with Jeets
Jeets can barely program
Jeets have negative communication skills
Jeets have a bias to hire their own
Jeets are hired cause they are cheap and desperate Your boomer MBA manager and activist HR just want to save cost at the cost of skill cause they don't know the difference between a highly skilled vs low skill knowledge worker.
A high skill employee is one that can do leet code puzzles
> The fundamental limiting factor in Silicon Valley is the shortage of excellent engineering talent.
7:32 "Elon's looking for a very narrow constituent that makes up a small number of people in the entire world"
Elon's talking about H-1B visas (importing wage slaves) for patent mills and software mills so he can run them like sweatshops and drive down wages with foreign labor, which Americans won't accept, and conflating it with O-1A visas (exceptional talent) for the top 0.000001% of engineering talent, and Sargon falls for that bait and switch.
Yes. This is exactly it.
Great point needs to make it into the zeitgeist
These people tell us we need these workers due to low births and applications from natives while simultaneously telling us they will be replaced in 5 to 10 years with robots.
Because they know that most of the hyperbole behind this coming ‘AI revolution’ is a grift to sell to investors.
It doesn't matter how qualified Chang or Patel are for the job, Smith is already here and should thus get the job because that's the best thing for OUR society.
nah. smith can't compete so he cries and goes down the ethno-nationalism rabbit hole
@@deleted01import the slums, become the slums 🤷♂️
@@deleted01 "Smith can't compete" means Smith wants a good salary but his company knows Chang and Patel will work for less while barely speaking English.
@@deleted01 Smith is already living here, so we, as a society, have a responsibility to try to help him get along.
Progressivism poisons everything.
Absolutely every-f'ing-thing.
As does liberalism in general (looking at you libertarians)
Synonym = Globalism
@@tidepride86 Yep
it is evil.
As I say, "To make mistakes is human. To learn from those mistakes is progress. To ignore those mistakes is progressive."
Your WNBA team might win the championship by having a team of all trans athletes, but every actual woman in the league would suffer.
WNBA is DEI anyways, makes no money, funded by the NBA.
That isn't a good analogy. Those trans athletes are miles better than the women. Imagine an NBA team importing WNBA players to drive down NBA salaries.
America once venerated the intelligent, but not as the "Nerd", but as the Greeks sought, the Olympian, the Astronaut was the ideal American Hero of the space age, joining the ranks of cowboys, pioneers, minutemen, settlers.
The ideal was someone who was a scientist, and a physical specimen of envy.
Warriors who were intellects, has been a thing of honor since the Assyrians, to be merely a brute or merely a feeble scholar has never been honored by worthwhile cultures.
America has progressively had people that wanted to shun the "Olympian", and instead chose to throw barriers in between those with promise, and those who have shown little promise have been given great aid. Rather than playing to strengths, we've scorned strength from the system level, not the cultural level, we've always loved success, we've loved our olympians.
It's not that Americans lack the will, it's not that Americans have the wrong culture, it's not that Americans can't cut it, it's that the Americans with promise are told to take up massive debt while any aid is yoinked away, while we take those who are worse, be they foreign or domestic but of the right demographic, our education system has been set up to make people who are effectively illiterate.
Instead of recognizing the system has actively worked against the native, and created barriers and sabotaged development, they want to merely discard us as broken, for cheaper, lower quality foreign products.
This! Jock vs nerd is a fake dynamic living solely through motif/meme
Fantastic comment. This is the spirit of the age, and ironically, it's tragic.
To take this further, we can say that America has traded Greece for Rome; Achilles for Crassus.
Trump needs to pull these two aside and tell them to stay in their lane
They're right though
@@NA.NA..no, they're supporting the very policies that made several of my friends commit suicide because they couldn't find any work.
@@NA.NA.. Oh I've seen comments of yours already. You're not here in good faith, now are you?
Trump works for them
Trump himself is liberal.
It's about cheap labor. If they hired Americans, we would have more Americans having families and having children. They are outsourcing all of our jobs then people can't afford families.
I'd rather lose with my family than win with strangers
There’s no shortage of engineers in America. There’s a shortage of tech slaves that Elon wants to work 100 hour weeks for $150K/year. To find those slaves, he needs immigrants from India and China.
I'd work for $150,000 a year, but not a second longer than 40 hours per week, and much of that time will be soent procrastinating. Much less of that time would have been spent procrastinating 5 years ago when $150,000 bought twice as much, now it's realistically not substantially much better than my true value adjusted starting salary. If I'm not going to be paid in true value terms substantially more than I was paid when I started out despite several years more experience and specialist knowledge under my belt, I don't see why I should bother trying to do more per week than I did when I started. If they want me to do more, I demand a wage increase exceeding inflation, barely or not even keeping pace with inflation means I'm just not going to put in the work and they're just going to have to deal with it.
There's plenty of engineers, but there's a shortage of highly motivated and excellently talented engineers.
@@sanjacobs6261 America, like everyone else, already welcomes superstars. The issue at hand is as mentioned above, using your argument as a distraction. It is impossible to have enough superstars by definition.
@@sanjacobs6261 America, like everyone else, already welcomes superstars. The issue at hand is as mentioned above, using your argument as a distraction. It is impossible to have enough superstars by definition.
@@sanjacobs6261wrong. The shorted is no opportunity for talent to present itself. Most all higher end jobs are achieved through politics, not competence.
What is the point of Germany if there is no such thing as an ethnic German?
What is the point of England if there is no such thing as an ethnic Englishman?
What is the point of Italy if there are no ethnic Italians?
Would anyone seriously argue that a language space alone is enough to justify a political entity? Surely there must be more to it than just Indians and Bantus speaking English within the political entity called England while having line go up...
All nations are just fenced pastures to contain and manage the cattle, for the profit of the shepards. 🕎
Consider the ideals of the globalist elite: national boundaries are an inconvenient leftover of a bygone era, the future is a politically unified humanity in a single global market. The differences created by language and geographic distribution need to be smoothed out to achieve this goal, complaints against this are just negging from narrow minded luddites and racist.
well america is different.
@@chucklesee1726 Not even a little bit.
the point is that it would be a land to live on?
You know what I’m emotionally attached to? My Country not smelling or looking like a POS. Elon just wants his cheap and easily available labor from India. Hes lost the plot here and im worried about him as he has Trumps ear.
We've been venerating the popular set for decades. Our astronauts were military test pilots with PHDs. Vivek's projections are off the charts.
Also those pilots needed the math skills because computers are not what they became in the 1980s. They still haven't figured out flying cars... Drones though are a another problem that could end up putting us the path to skynet.
The US "C-student" that he dismisses is likely also much more educated, competent and productive than the rubber-stamped "A+" people churned out of an Indian diploma mill.
Hey Sargon... I've got four adult sons... and 4 grandchildren now... not to forget to mention the daughters-in-law... Christmas is truly exhausting.
In my family, Christmas is a 20-person affair. Uncles, Aunts, and all their children, and recently a few grandkids as well, get together at my grandmother's house every 2 years.
My grandmother has 5 adult children, 10 adult grandchildren, and getting on 35 great grandchildren. We have every major holiday at her house and she wouldn't have it any other way.
Of course now that she's 85 and mostly blind, my mom and my aunts have taken over the parties and the grandchildren and great grandchildren do the cleaning up.
@KurNorock Same in my family. I live on the other side of the world from them now, so I can't attend anymore. I generally don't mind it, but I do miss the family Christmas's.
You may be exhausted, but you are winning.
Good. Being exhausted because your family is big and present...that's a win my friend
What sucks is that I AM a trained semiconductor engineer but no one was willing to hire me because of who I am
Have you gotten concrete feedback from interviews? In the past I've found you can if you ask strongly enough. There is clearly gonna be tons of hiring in that area, so I strongly encourage you study/practice/learn hard, like a few focused hours each day, more if you can (depending on age/family/employment situation), and make sure you can demonstrate a high level of skill. I'm 100% opposed to Elon and the tech bros on this, but I don't things have gotten nearly to the point where it's hopeless for someone with the right skills.
@@yiani31 Semiconductor engineers are an incredible rarity, you need to understand that these people are more akin to surgeons than they are a typical office worker, interviews are typically merely a formality in the hiring process for them. The only time an issue may come about is if they need to qualify for a security clearance.
If it is not for being ineligible for a clearance, the reasons for foregoing a hire in that area are likely due to some form of impropriety.
These are desperate times. I'm a Technician at a recycling plant. Literally work in trash and squallor. HOWEVER I make 90k/year (in an area where the average income is 35k) and got certified on like 5 different types of heavy equipment, learned FCAW welding, intermediate troubleshooting of industrial electronics and mechanical systems, etc. My job is going NOWHERE. Other than my boss I'm the single most valuable employee in my plant lol. If tech won't take you I and tradesman like me will gladly take you and pay you well for showing up and keeping up.
@@BrosanXIII Computer engineers likely won't be interested in trade jobs, that isn't what they studied for, the issue is where the jobs they have studied and trained for are being provisioned.
Your job is only secure because not even Indians from a country with an average IQ that is sub 90 are also unwilling to perform your work. If they were, you too would be gainfully unemployed.
I get you are trying to be nice, and encourage people to better themselves, but people who spent years dedicated to their field and training in it, learning everything they can all the while they are being told that they are needed; are suddenly told that they are inadequate for the job. Naturally, they'd have a bitter taste in their mouth.
Imagine knowing everything you do about your line of work, and one day your boss walks up to you and says; "sorry buddy we need someone more adept at this role, we're going to have to let you go", as he completes this statement you see your brownskinned replacement walk by and mocks you for your supposed incompetence. I am pretty sure if this scenario transpired, and all of your skills were suddenly declared to be superfluous and trivial after having spent so much time to acquire them. I'd imagine you'd be demoralized as well.
Vikek is not American
Kissin is not British
They are members of other nations. They are here to advance their respective nations on the world stage for their own ethno-religious interests.
The longer it takes for us, the nations of Europe to realize this, the harder it will be to safeguard our own interests in the future.
That sounds remarkably antisemitic.
Funny how everyone else advocates for their ethnic interests but whites.
Thank you. I'm glad there are others willing to acknowledge this. Its time to reckon that if we are gonna gonna advocate for our self interest. Meaning our immediate domestic populations. Its not always going to align even to those having similar persuasions. Because there are differences to what they want. Which isn't always what we want. Its time to get to brass tax here if we want our civilization to be inherited and maintained by OUR populations and not foreigners that are taking advantage of the door being opened by our globalist political elites.
@@interstellarsurfer no one cares. You are the problem by obfuscating with this.
Vivek was born to parents who are citizens, how’s he not American?
The corporate schlob had corporate interests?! He isn't like heckin based conservative? No way
Wait till they all find out how much of a fan he is for the CCP too. Elon parrots the official talking points and lobbies hard to prevent any restrictions being put on China
OK, so apparently there are laws - laws - in place in Hungary that allow hiring foreign talent if and only if the position can not be filled by a Hungarian first.
It seems Orban solved this issue to the satisfaction of both parties.
They exist in the US too....just no one enforces them
This is why all the American tech jobs have ludicrous job descriptions and require 5+ years of experience for entry level jobs. "We couldn't find a native with these credentials" by design.
@@kevinh2345 But... if they DO find a non-native with 5+ years of experience, then ... where's the problem?
@@rauminen4167 you're using American natives infrastructure and intellectual property to enrich a person who will be siphoning economic potential out of the country. You can personally be in favor of importing an underclass, but it's an exceptionally trashy thing to argue in favor of.
@rauminen4167 because there isnt a shortage to begin with. Tech companies need to look like theyre hiring at all times to appear like theyre in constant growth states when in reality they just want to lower software developer pay if they can. The same thing that happened to manufacturing is happening in tech at the behest of boomer managers with no sense of country.
Elon is starting from a utopian view of the tech world. "Permanent shortage" means he thinks there should be an infinite amount of said talent. All resources have limits. Deal with it, tech bros. The rest of us don't exist to fulfill your dystopian cyberpunk fantasies.
We don't live in a zero sum world. Infinite growth is achievable. Assuming they assimilate, there is no problem importing labor to catalyze the industries that improve are lives.
@@NA.NA.. Yes, we do live in a zero sum world. There are only so many people on the planet. There is only so much time in a day. New things can be made, but they require an investment of time, energy and manpower, all of which are limited.
Elon thinks he's entitled to all of it now and forever, in perpetuity, exponentially increasing, with no negotiation with the other human beings that fill the world around him and uphold the rest of society. That's utopian.
Also, they don't assimilate, and they don't improve *our* lives.
Infinite growth on finite planet is mathematically impossible.
@@NA.NA.."assuming they assimilate"
Shut up. We don't want them.
@@NA.NA.. well they fail to pass your assumption. Thats the problem. Mass immigration with no integration. All it has done is move people from the slums of one country to create slums in a new country.
The valediction of my high school was also the star football player. Most of the jocks were in honors and AP classes. The idea that jocks are dumb meatheads is outdated and wrong, and this was in the early 2000s.
Unless vivek is referring to the "European style socialists"
Correct, they are disproportionately high IQ and positive high positive personality traits.
As ever the stereotypes are a sort of covered confession via projection by the sort of people who end up in media jobs, namely leftists and a group highly entrenched within the wider elite.
"Burning up the future for the gains of the present" is exactly correct.
Elon's 'clarification' about only wanting the top 0.01% was extremely disingenuous. THAT subset is covered by the O-1 Visa, as a CEO of 4 tech companies he absolutely knows this, and for 2 days the entire conversation was about H1B Visas.
Seems he wants to expedite that process, but I dont doubt that his scope is larger and more generally motivated by importing people whom America can work harder and pay less; the illegal immigrant argument.
I think the confusion over this issue is that men like Musk and Ramaswamy assume that what's good for their business is automatically good for America. It's not. If there's a Venn diagram of those two things, they may overlap. They may even overlap to a large degree. But they don't completely match up and this is one of the most important areas. If I had to choose between losing my culture and a hit to the GDP, I'd choose a hit to the GDP every time. Musk, being an everywhere globalist, would choose to destroy every last shred of our culture if it meant his net worth went up 5%.
They're adopting you culture, which community of South asians that after a few generations haven't been assimilated into American culture.
@@NA.NA..all of them. Also, just because they wear my clothes and speak my language, it doesn't make them an American. If I move to Gustemala, learn Spanish, and dress like a Guatemalan, does that mean I'm a Guatemalan? Of course not.
@@peteschaub7561 hate to break it to you but after a generation or two, of living with Guatemalans, speaking with Guatamalans, working with Guatamalans, being educated with Guatamalans, banging Guatamalans, going to church with Guatamalans etc you're gonna be a Guatamalan.
@@NA.NA.. we don't want them here.
@@peteschaub7561 hate to break it too you if you speak like a guatamalan, cook like a guatamalan, dress like a guatamalan, go to mass like a guatamalan, get educated like a guatamalan, work like a guatamalan, or fight like a guatamalan youre going to be a guatamalan. doubly so for your kids, and successive generations
As a Brit I can GUARANTEE that I wouldn’t qualify for a visa to Canada despite having a law degree and being a programme manager.
Meanwhile, Patel somehow gets in to deliver uber eats…
Not that I’d want to live in Canada mind you.
I have a few degrees in engineering, and let me tell you, there isn't a western "shortage" of engineers, it's purely a pay/training problem that companies don't want to front the costs for. I never went into the industry after I got my second degree because I was faced with the prospect of "get a £15,000 uni degree and then after that, be forced to take a 40h/week 4 year contract for £23,000/year" or just work in a supermarket and make £25,000/year and be provided free food on top of that.
If companies weren't offering engineers terrible pay for awful work they would find that there are literally THOUSANDS of them doing nothing right now. Engineers are problem solvers by nature. If they aren't taking the bait, it's because we are literally trained to min/max and to be able to spot a good deal when we see one... My personal experience was that I either take the typical path of earning at a net negative for the first 6-7 years (very typical in the field these days) or I take an RAF sponsorship which required being locked into a 5-10 year contract that didn't prohibit active service... all that for £26k/year.
Been an aerospace engineer for 5 years on £50k,
Seeing all the Americans screech about only being paid $150k, really is frustrating.
@@James-sk4dbnobody in America complains about making 150k. We are making 50,60,70k if we're lucky. That's before taxes. My 52k a year nets me about 38 to 40k a year maybe.
There is an Indian dude that owns my local Domino's pizza. All employees are Indian males OR pretty young white women (more like girls). Sus AF.
Kalergi
Wouldn't it be tragic if their franchise were to be found in violation of health codes?
@@Moe_Posting_Chad same sjw logic that got us here in the first place
not a single indian in my town until 2018 when a gas station ran by them opened, every employee is an indian, this year a gas station that had existed for decades somehow got bought out by indians and it's the same there, the half dozen or so white employees that did work there fired and now only indians run the store.
Happens where I live a lot too. The moment an Indian gets in charge of a business, they rapidly swap out almost every employee for more underpaid Indians.
How is it that one of the "Smartest men in the world" was genuinely surprised by the fact that a movement based on protecting American culture from immigration... wants to protect American culture from immigration? For a "genius", Elon sure is stupid sometimes.
He's book smart. Not smart street.
His take is communist, so unequivocally f this guy. Never listening to another thing he says, this is a total deal breaker.
By 'highly motivated', Musk means: willing to work shit hours for shit pay in-office with the threat of deportation over their heads.
I used to think kindly toward people regardless of who they were or where they came from, but life experience has taught me to be way more skeptical. Most nations believe that it is fine to lie, cheat and bribe your way through existence. Until recently my country, mostly taught its children that this is an abhorrent way to conduct oneself. As time has gone on this mindset seems to have been caste aside in favoure of rampant consumerism and downright dishonesty.
My husband was approached at the university he attended by a wealthy Indian student who suggested that he could organise for someone to do my husband's assignemnts, just as he did, for a fee.... I also refuse to do business with people who bare face lie to you in order to gain a contract, as has happened to me multiple times..... I no longer will subject myself to "doctors" from these countries as there is no guarantee that they actually did their training.
I'm sorry if you find this offensive but this has been my actual experience AND THIS IS WHAT CHANGED MY THINKING. Cultural perspectives inform ones behaviour and some don't mesh well. That does not in essence make them bad, just different and sometimes best done separately.
I may be cynically looking at his statement but the term "Highly Motivated" comes off as willing to work in poorer conditions/ for lower pay without complaining.
Not cynical at all man that's EXACTLY what it means, the older I get the more it becomes clear, everything is about money to these people the just want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for peanuts while they reap the bulk of the reward and we get thrown just enough of a bone and told not to complain, you are lucky you have a job in the first place.
Because thats exactly the silent part not said aloud.
How did Musk repeatedly retweet Keith Woods and not know his immigration policy would be challenged?
I have a degree in CS. I have never gotten a job in the field. I'm just one person, maybe I am the exception. But, for me personally, I've never been able to buy the "can't fill all the jobs" narrative. Haven't video game and social media companies been laying off tons of people the past couple years? Why are those people not able to fill all these openings they apparently have?
They want slaves with brown skin and a similar world view to them.
Same, made my way up through IT cause I didn't have time to wait for one of these seriously needed engineering positions to open up.
Its super common to join an IT team with 2 dudes aiming for the next open engineering position. Or at least it was, until the IT market for bad. Its tough to find work there too
Why did you graduate college without ever having held a job/internship in your field? You did college wrong. It isn’t just courses. Your more motivated peers kicked your ass and took your jobs.
All my computer science friends graduated into 6 figure jobs. Immediately bought homes. Held numerous jobs during college like someone with a brain would do
As Vivek said. People think being mediocre is ok
@CuriousScholar13 because internships are rare in cs? One of the many i applied for didnt even get to my application until 5 years after I applied. Got a call while working my career job asking if I was still interested cause I was finally next in line.
Comments like yours are just ignorant of the market and how college students live. Just apply to hundreds of exclusive internships, work a full time job to fight off the college debt, apply to work full time lower level entry positions in your field, take 15 - 20 credit hours with project work, and try to find a partner and live on your own likely for the first time. All while you are entering the adult world and becoming about the lowest status age you'll be on your life.
What im getting at is if there are failures in the college class of America, it is primarily the wider community, the education system, and neighboring corporations not supporting the students.
I have a korean friend who has to work off a visa but nobody wants to hire the guy despite being qualified because they know theres an expectation of fair pay in that country. This is purely about money. There is no skill issue.
Money and infinity Indians.
@@glideronthemoon
Even though I am Indian myself, that is a scary proposition.
From my experience, the good looking jocks at school were always perfectly pleasant and whenever they hurt someone it was by accident.
It was the nerds and the alternative kids (me included lol) who were kind of bitter and twisted at times and who would do each other vindictive harm.
And the actual bullies weren't usually jocks. They were troubled kids from violent families.
The thing is that all the TV and movie writers were nerds in school, jealous of the jocks and so when they grew up they made jocks villains in their screenplays as a sort of revenge fantasy.
Maybe some truth in it.
They were Jews, a race of vindictive nerds.
The valediction of my high school was also the star football player. Most of the jocks were in honors and AP classes. The idea that jocks are dumb meatheads is outdated and wrong, and this was in the early 2000s.
Always accurate. You should judge a book by the cover because its most of the time accurate. Its always the alternative (SMELLY) kids that are the savages and they make no effort to hide the ugliness inside.
100%. I had a foot in both worlds in school - I was an absolute nerd and computer geek, but I worked out in the school gym and took all the physical education courses because my family knew the guy in charge of the PE department. Can confirm, this was overwhelmingly the case.
The bullies and the sports kids almost never overlapped. There were *some* exceptions, but they could be counted on one hand. The bullies almost always came out of families with some sort of bad home life, and were basically just acting out because of the abuse they were suffering.
They got rid of honors classes and gifted student programs here over the last 5 years. Went all the way to the supreme court.
Wonder why there's a lack of local homegrown talent. It's by design
There will be total saturation under TrumpMusk. Not a single street in america will be left undesignated.
Your pfp really hits this home 😂
Extremely Talented + Extremely Motivated + Engineers
If only two of these things were changeable . . . Nah, gotta change the entire makeup of our country.
No, sorry but India can go be India, we want Americans in America please.
Dude you already have American Indians, that is the thing with America is mixed with a bunch of other countries.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644No it isn’t, it was built by europeans for europeans. But like i said in a different comment your ass can get back in the locker.
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 So open borders, right?
@@rafresendenrafresenden.1644 can you not understand how that is entirely separate from the millions migrating to america now? illegally or not
America only works because it isnt mixing with a bunch of other countries. Rather the bunch of other countries are mixing with it. Understand the difference
Statistically untrue. White America is over 30% descended from 1 English boat. America was until 1950 over 80% white constantly. with 13% black and less than 5% of all other races.
Saargon of Akkad
SAAR PLEASE HALP ME I AM INDIAN!!!
This is why I am glad that we can have an open discussion about these sort of things. Meanwhile the lefties say this is an echo chamber while they go out their way to avoid 'platforming' anyone with differing views.
unrestricted amounts of work and student visa is a terrible f ucking idea.. we need to tighten how many we let in
We need to allow ZERO. For fifty fucking years. NOBODY.
We dont need to let in a single nonhwyte to western countries. We dont need them at all, our countries were objectively better as 100% hwite countries. Our peopIe are better, thats just a fact. The others have never contributed to this world and provide us absolutely zero value. And we will go back to that 100% pure population. Any who stand in our way will suffer our wrath.
@@Moe_Posting_Chad Did you mean to say 50 million years?
WE DONT NEED ANY
@Ambander-p3x We gotta be realistic. Its gonna take several generations to fix our cultural messes. And as much as we must resist globalism, Japan is a great example of an empire that opened its borders.
The balance is difficult and it is not clear if the people that make up a nation are capable of preventing the erosion of their nation due to commerce and cultural exchange.
Again look at Japan. Just a few decades later...
But that's my thought. Step one for real true MAGA is no immigration of any kind for 50 to 100 years, longer if the will to keep it that way remains strong. That is what I am hoping for.
The CEOs of all those tech companies are Indian.
Remember this the next time you bemoan the enshittification of EVERYTHING related to those companies. Most of them have been doing that for a decade or more.
I can't believe Musk isn't aware of the race issue given he's South African.
I think that's part of the issue. America's strife looks like a CivNat paradise in comparison.
tiny hats butter his bread.
He is aware, but he only cares about his companies
As a English native I have always felt unwanted I have never come across any genuine opportunity to train or progress and become anything better I feel I'm required to be bottom of the pile to do the body trashing crap labour .but I see recently arrived people in good jobs I don't get it .😢
I'm from Maryland in the US and, same brother
Unlike them, we dont have a tribe and a Homeland
They hate us, simple as.
I find open public debate highly interesting. Different perspectives, holes, blind spots, uncomfortable truths…. All of it!!
Vivek-the-Snake is at it again. Glad the mask slipped
I was on my way to buying a house until I was laid off and replaced by an H1-B holder. Couldn't find another job for over a year. The tech bros destroyed my livelihood and delayed my future for another 0.01% on top of their already absurd revenues.
Poor Vivek, he launched into the fray to defend Elon like the loyal lieutenant he is and now the whole world hates him. 😂
I don't know anymore. I thought he was genuine. But if you are going to defend anything your colleagues say just out of ' loyalty ', the world rightly sees you as spineless..
No culture values intelligence. They value success. Intelligence is the scapegoat used to justify why some have more, without denigrating yourself.
Elon opinion is considered because he is successful, nit because he is smart. If he was working the day shift somewhere, no one would give a crap about it, no matter how correct or intelligent his ideas or opinions are.
It's a failing of successful people. They achieved success, and likely put in hard work, intelligently. They then have a hard time realizing, that more factors than the personal, determine success.
Environment is a big factor, and they seem to be ignoring it, because the environment, as they came up, was, at the very least, less hostile to their success than it currently is today.
I've probably run off on a tangent. Git focused on one part of the argument, and completely forgot what this whole video was about.
Another thing is Elon’s opinion is not an actual opinion. Much like many other things Elon says, it is a calculated and intentional lie to further his own interests. He does the same when it comes to his China’s entanglement and friendship with the CCP
Yeah we should really start distributing resources according to what people needs and not their abilities.
And I would gladly volunteer for thankless jobs of distributing these resources to the masses.
Truth. Attention in most cases is the big factor between smart but broke vs smart and successful
@@TheinnerCircl3 Communism is nonsense and you are welcome to go starve alone.
One reason there are so many very good Chinese and Indian mathematicians and computer scientists is simply because the populations of each of those countries is over 4x that of America.
Vivek is India First.
India doesn't think so
lmao, and you are irish first
I find the ‘normal’ comments a bit baffling b/c I grew up in an extremely dysfunctional situation. This really was a life goal for both me and my spouse, given our backgrounds. It really hate how the elite promotes dysfunctional and chaotic lives.
I realize that normal isn’t a life goal for most people b/c they already lead normal lives and have a set of normal expectations. However, for a small minority of people, this really is a thing. I’m glad I grew up when stable and normal was promoted and not dysfunction and chaos. This kind of thing matters more than people want to believe. It’s a basic thing, but a lot of families do manage to screw it up. We had to work really hard to just get to normal. I resent this idea that people don’t want to work for what they have. A lot of people don’t want the kind of wealth Vivek has, but they still want to provide a living for themselves and their family. I’m simply tired of money alway trumping culture in people’s brains.
I also grew up in a chaotic not-normal environment and have strived to be normal and provide my family with a normal life. This is a good thing, and i hate the disdain for an honest, normal life, it should be the thing that the majority of people aim for and should be respected and venerated.
Aside from the things you mentioned, there's also the issue with women. I'm a 60yo grandmother and I'm harassed online (not often) and IRL (often) by those men. Trust me, I'm NOT attractive anymore. Their culture is just so different. They can be in the States for 10+ years, doesn't matter. Our daughter gets it even worse because a lot of her business is online. My husband and sons have come close to actual fights with them. I'm sure Many North American women would agree.
Aye, I remember my younger sister mentioning that she didn't feel safe walking around the neighborhood when we lived in a commercial area that had for some time built itself on having excessive cheap immigrant labor and sitting on the two main roads in the valley.
Women are going to have to learn the hard way
Legally, there are no tech jobs exclusively for foreigners. However, if the job requirements are intentionally impossible (ala many "entry level" listings), then they are permitted to search internationally (with more lax requirements and credentials).
28:40 _He still doesn’t get it._ The true goal of these people isn’t societal _change,_ it’s societal _upheaval._
Okay, here’s an example that should suit you; you know those Christmas villages that you once saw in the shopfronts of major stores, with all the elaborate wooden buildings and people, and even a little train going round and round?
Now, imagine someone gets a bug up their bum about how this innocent little thing meant for children is _actually_ enforcing systemic heteronormative standards, and takes it upon themselves to go in and flip the entire thing over, before declaring it a victory for the oppressed classes. _That’s_ the kind of mentality we’re dealing with here-the kind that sees destruction as the only path to redemption.
One thing of note on "normalcy". There is one kind of person who aspires to normalcy. The exceptional. If you watched Avatar: The Last Airbender, Sokka is envious of Aang being special, and Aang just wants to be a normal kid for once. Same thing in Ender's Game. Ender, groomed by the military to save the world, just wants to be normal. Same thing in Harry Potter. Harry hates being "the chosen one".
The only kind of person who aspires to normalcy is the person who's never been able to experience it.
Reminds me of the lyrics of the Rush song "Mission".
"I hear their passionate music
Read the words that touch my heart
I gaze at their feverish pictures
The secrets that set them apart
When I feel the powerful visions
Their fire has made alive
I wish I had that instinct
I wish I had that drive...
It's cold comfort
To the ones without it
To know how they struggled
How they suffered about it
If their lives were exotic and strange
They would likely have gladly exchanged them
For something a little more plain
Maybe something a little more sane
We each pay a fabulous price
For our visions of paradise"
0.1% of india is 1.429 million lol
Gross to think about. Why should we be punished for their inability to wear protection?
I unironically blame this on Luther. The spirit of the Protestant reformation sowed the seeds for the enlightenment and liberalism as a whole.
Low/No harm is a floor for a moral system, but it’s not enough because virtue is necessary to keep things from devolving into decadence.
The hiring process in big tech is also susceptible to corruption. Indian employees of the company will refer other Indians (many sell referrals on Blind for example) and get the company referral bonus and give a kickback to those involved in hiring the referred candidate
Doesn't super motivated just mean 14-hour work days and keeping your mouth shut???
... and half the salary.
“Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point, which means, at the point of highest reality.” - CS Lewis
The symbol of America is a bald eagle for a reason. Not an owl. Even if most of us listening are more like owls. Read your Nietzsche.
I am not surprised by Elon and Vivek saying these things. They were already inferring it. These leaders are not perfect, Trump too.
The rift opening on the right between liberals and conservatives is good. It means we’re winning.
Agreed. I'm open to healthy debate, but for a long time the tent has expanded to encompass far too many that do not sit well with the traditionalist or conservative world view.
@ Yes, but this kind of coalition is necessary at this time. This is my major issue with Christians, many of whom are so stubborn about their dogma that they are unwilling to form coalitions for the greater good. Some kind of Christian nationalist party will never be more than a small minority.
Better that the Trump team is in power and we can fight about H1Bs and economic policy than leftists who are actively trying to destroy society and create mass demoralization. Unless you are an accelerationist.
Good, but do not forget it is a road that there is not enough room for both.
I mean, bald eagles are largely scavengers while owls are predators (even if they hunt with stealth).
can you build an ai from scratch mr bald beagle?
You could raid mechanic shops for tech talent. You give yhose guys something as solid as 1s and 0s to work with, a chair and an office, and they'll think they're in heaven.
Basic programming such as FUP or SCL is not difficult to learn and very applicable in electro-mechanical engineering
@twiggledy5547 debugging any programming language is much more straightforward than searching a rusted chassis for a chewed through wire, or trying to get the fuel mixture right in a replaced engine. Or for, may Allah forgive me, working on newer diesel engines.
@@glideronthemoon See that's the genius of it all. Things are getting so hard to work on you just fucking give up and have to buy a new one or send it to a special factory.
Vivek, the Brahman Hindu vegetarian, talking about America, is utterly ridiculous.
He's an agent of indian intelligence agency services he's a plant for them in the USA government.
Vinik is absolutely American. Those of you with this fixation on ethnic purity are absolutely asking to be isolated from the political game. There is no ethnic loyalty even within your own ethnicity, probably the biggest traitors are from your own ethnicity.
The whole sports team metaphor is incredibly poor.
The city's sports team is a for-profit company owned by a billionaire not native to the city, who employs millionaires not native to the city to compete against other millionaires in billion dollar megacomplexes funded by the locals who have to pay hundreds of dollars for the privilege of enjoying the matches in said arenas. And if the team decides they can get a better deal elsewhere? They can pack up, take all of the in-team infrastructure and the name, and relocate to another random city in the nation. I don't think anyone actually likes these, and you cannot be exactly proud of the fact that the manager bought the correct player that has absolutely zero ties to your hometown.
My family has been in this country for over 300 years. Both sides. Vivek & Elon are foreigners, US passport be damned. We are not the same. America isnt just a land mass, we are a people. The American people.
Culturally they fit in though, that's the difference, my only gripe with immigration is when they don't fit into the value system of the new country yet these two are like reminders of what the core values of the US were and that you need to get back to those values
300 years is meaningless dawg. Your identity was adopted, and there is no reason why immigrants can't also adopt it.
@NA.NA.. evidently there is clearly an assimilation problem with FOB anchor babies and foreign born newcomers. Immigrants are about to FAFO. This isn't UK.
Yet we never heard or will ever care about you or your ancestor because neither they nor you have achieve anything significant
Elon's grandfather was american... who cares about how long your family has been here. You're not in a position to change anything... Also, my ancestors have been here since before yours came over from across the ocean but that doesnt make my opinion any more or less valid than yours. Grow the F up.
Sargon ignores the slippery slope of losing freedoms 'cause he's a Brit. They lost thier love of Freedom 300+ years ago. See London (forever).
What a moronic argument. America had far more freedoms in its past when it wouldn't have ever even entertained importing non-european labour. You only started importing like this after JFK got his dome popped.
Glorious revolution and the supremacy of parliament, which rather more than anything to do with freedom was a sacrilegious blow against the divine order and the Christian faith. Usurpers gained ascendancy and created liberalism to justify it, give the logic to Rousseau and you come to what we have now, evil.
I work in semiconductor and the dei is insane on the inside. Even when the company is in financial trouble and doing layoffs.
Kinda funny that some are happy to talk about race and IQ in some matters, but get curiously squeamish about it in others...
its called a "r4cism-pass" sweaty 😇Only Gods Chosen™ may handout this pass to those undeserving.
Why does it seem like we traded an extreme Leftist party for a slightly less Leftist party? I'm starting to think we got scammed by Trump.
I have a feeling there’s gonna be a lot more Luigi’s.
Maybe a couple Mario’s too…
Good. Debts will be collected. It is a long time coming that the natural consequences finally caught up to those that believed they were insulated from consequence. Its sad that this is how its gonna be. And it surely will only snowball out of control.
the pitchforks have been long overdue.
it's almost like the founding fathers had good reasons to preserve the second amendment.
@@deaj8450 The only mistake with the Constitution is that they didn't make it UNAMBIGUOUS that the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND applies to businesses.
Were any of the Framers here today, they would see a company like, let's even say Kellog as a tyrant just as threatening as the State!
It's funny you mention this about Indians. Australia: I've just had a discussion with a friend and all these internal issues being created have magically arisen as the number of Indians/Sri-lankans has grown. Incredible insular, discrimination based on role and responsibility and the girls are complaining about sexism and harassment,
Elon actually did comment on the Indian supremacist guy's comments. He just said that he was a troll and we should all brush it off. So I guess punishment won't be forthcoming
I sincerely hope Carl reads this, but Elon already owns a town, it’s next to Brownsville, Texas. It’s the headquarters of SpaceX. And he already has an engineering school, it’s in the town he owns in Brownsville.