Getting bigger and bigger, by now he's probably just replaced it with a board without a knot! The previous one is become sawdust - the fate of all imperfect woods
He is using the bit to mark out the size for the plug, then he knows that plug is 1:1 with the hole. If you do it with the pantarouter you have two setups and you will introduce some amount of error. Think back to times he makes mortise and tenon joints and then sometimes has a loose/tight fit on the test cut. The method in this video is a pretty surefire quick way to get it right first shot.
Better question is why not simply use a dowel? If you want a closer match then dowel bit. I was hoping for a faster way or a way with fewer tools for when your in a pinch. Can’t win them all when you click on posted videos.
My Grandfather, was a carpenter who worked back in the days when he would bring home 2 to 3 dollars a day, use to cut out the knots in plywood in the shape of an eye. He would fashion an eye shaped plug and call the patch a "Dutchman". I've been attempting this feat, but I like your patch/plug system much better. Gramps only got electric power tools in the early 60's. Great video Matthias, thumbs up.
Dutchman patches are easier to hide. The ones I've seen are diamond shaped. Something about straight lines not catching the eye as much as a round plug does 🤷♂️
In the lodge we stayed in whilst on holiday in Poland all the knots in the wood floors were replaced with what looked like dowels made from turned branches with end grain showing. It looked incredible, like knots without the dark wood and potential sap (it was all pine).
Yeah, the fanciest tool is not every time the right tool... ^^ And you are right, epoxy is everywhere on YT. Good to see someone sticking to the "old" way. Keep up your nice work and stay healthy, greetings from Germany.
I'm here for the lack of poncy frufru and MW delivers every time. Thank you. I can't wait for ten years to go by and these epoxy laden stuff to start looking dated like terrible brown 70s furniture from my childhood.
Highlight with Epoxy? Remove and plug it while still beeing perfectly visible? What about the lazy attempt (mine) and just leave it be and go on with the build? It´s nature after all.
Someone may have already said this, but if your plug could be some kind of wood with a minimally visible grain, then you could blend it in with some acrylic paint and an artist's brush by matching the surrounding grain's color and shape.
Knots in wood tend to be unstable, they can often have small voids inside or shrink enough during drying that they can just fall out. You can work around a knot and turn it into a design choice, but if you want dimensional stability you have to fill it with something that will compensate for the knot wood's weakness. Most people use epoxy, Matthias demoed a slightly older stabilization method in the video. Traditionally woodworkers would cut around & discard knots entirely, just to avoid the headache.
I thought the brief epoxy trash talk was amusing. I thought the epoxy projects were neat for like a minute, but became everyone and their brother covering anything in a gallon of epoxy. yikes.
Best way I’ve seen for a perfect plug is to lightly bevel the cylinder shape so it wedges in there. Works with any shape of plug too, even the classic hand-chiseled Dutchmen which is my favorite way to plug these
Would notching the plug allow for all the air to escape from the hole? My thinking is that the excess glue would fill such a notch making it difficult to detect.
and then there are people who collect and dry branches of different sizes to cut knot covers out of that still kind of look like a knot but, without color issues
Oh c'mon Matthias. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could figure out 50 ways to patch a board with a defect larger than your largest Forstner bit. Paul Simon wrote that there are 50 ways to leave your lover and patching a board is a lot easier than that.
Very useful! Thanks for sharing! This is going to really help my project. Going to thumbs up and subscribe to help your channel as well as see your future ideas!
Legend has it, he's still going, making bigger and bigger plugs.
Maxx B
How big can a forstner bit get?
Getting bigger and bigger, by now he's probably just replaced it with a board without a knot! The previous one is become sawdust - the fate of all imperfect woods
And then he just take another lumber
@@woodjoee 4 5/8 in or 12 cm is the largest i can find.
I imagined a fun April fool's video where you just kept increasing the size of the plug till the top of the board is entirely replaced.
And then plugception
Board of Theseus
@@NotQuiteFirst This looks good, but the plug I used accidentally had a knot in it!
@@bogtheforest why did I find this so funny?
I would argue the true limit would be the size of the board
At what point does the board stop being a board as it's more plug than board?
@@maxximumb the board of theseus
@@maxximumb When you're bored, pull the plug.
Go plug the board abroad boarding on a train that goes inside tunnel bores
Why let the drill bits limit you? You have a pantorouter....
He is using the bit to mark out the size for the plug, then he knows that plug is 1:1 with the hole. If you do it with the pantarouter you have two setups and you will introduce some amount of error. Think back to times he makes mortise and tenon joints and then sometimes has a loose/tight fit on the test cut. The method in this video is a pretty surefire quick way to get it right first shot.
Better question is why not simply use a dowel? If you want a closer match then dowel bit.
I was hoping for a faster way or a way with fewer tools for when your in a pinch.
Can’t win them all when you click on posted videos.
@@stlalways6715 The grain of a dowel would be facing the wrong way. It would be end grain on the surface and wouldn't match the wood.
TwelveFoot which is why I said dowel bit. You can buy dowels and dowel caps with the grain running the other direction too.
I'm at home doing nothing and Mattias is just plugging away.
well that made me laugh
thanks
@@thoperSought And yet, I make the same high-quality pun in front of my daughter and she just rolls her eyes like it's some kind pun-ishment!
Go to your room young man, this is no place for punny comments.
My Grandfather, was a carpenter who worked back in the days when he would bring home 2 to 3 dollars a day, use to cut out the knots in plywood in the shape of an eye. He would fashion an eye shaped plug and call the patch a "Dutchman". I've been attempting this feat, but I like your patch/plug system much better. Gramps only got electric power tools in the early 60's. Great video Matthias, thumbs up.
Dutchman patches are easier to hide. The ones I've seen are diamond shaped. Something about straight lines not catching the eye as much as a round plug does 🤷♂️
That's the fanciest hand plane I've ever seen.
Chase Perdue better than a veritas
Lol crazy old fashioned guy. But to use the bit to get the right size was plug was a tip I will remember forever. Amazing as always sir...
Freakin BRILLIANT using the forstner bit to set the edge of the plug, then sand down.
oh man I had a good out loud laugh at the "fancy hand plane" thanks for the quick idea and good chuckle!
I see that some others have already seen this method being utilised. Not me. First time here.
Bloody brilliant!
Thank you Matthias!
In the lodge we stayed in whilst on holiday in Poland all the knots in the wood floors were replaced with what looked like dowels made from turned branches with end grain showing. It looked incredible, like knots without the dark wood and potential sap (it was all pine).
Is this a plug for a longer video about plugs?
Yeah, the fanciest tool is not every time the right tool... ^^
And you are right, epoxy is everywhere on YT. Good to see someone sticking to the "old" way.
Keep up your nice work and stay healthy, greetings from Germany.
Love the belt planer! Good tip. Thanks for sharing.
Short and sweet! I love how direct and informative your videos are.
OCD Mathias videos are the best !
I like your work ur doing it always the right work and I lean a lot from u every time and I wanna thank u for those quality videos.
El mejor carpintero actualmente de you tube es usted señor mathias
I guess it doesn’t matter what Matthias bring up. Always a like smash. Greetings from Germany 👌
Can't seemto find that model of fancy Stanley on supertool.
Regarding using epoxy with wood, I 100% agree. I hate this whole "river table using epoxy" craze. Wood flexes considerably, epoxy does not. Bad idea.
Awesome work!! I do finish carpentry and this trick can come in handy!!
I'm here for the lack of poncy frufru and MW delivers every time. Thank you. I can't wait for ten years to go by and these epoxy laden stuff to start looking dated like terrible brown 70s furniture from my childhood.
That's back in fashion. You're behind the curve.
I do not think our wood supply will be any better 10 years from now. I imagine it will only be worse. Trees grow too slowly.
@@ricos1497 Oh ffs. Not this too. I want to be cool for once. Well I guess I'll wait for the next trend
As it turns out, Rachel didn't like the plug and this work was all for naught. (Okay, I'll show myself out)
Underrated
*all for knot
Highlight with Epoxy? Remove and plug it while still beeing perfectly visible?
What about the lazy attempt (mine) and just leave it be and go on with the build? It´s nature after all.
I love those fancy hand planes!
Instructions:
Remove a knot that disrupts pattern of wood; then replace with a plug that disrupts the pattern of the wood.
I’d make the plug out from the back of the plank. You’ll find a match for the grain. Thanks for the tip.
Welcome back and thanks for sharing
At what point does the plank stop being a plank and instead it becomes a giant plug
Switch to your 'fancy hand plane' .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... hilarious ... love your sense of humor.
I appreciate the reference to the highly overdone epoxy videos all over facebook. I'm sick of them!
Someone may have already said this, but if your plug could be some kind of wood with a minimally visible grain, then you could blend it in with some acrylic paint and an artist's brush by matching the surrounding grain's color and shape.
Aren’t those “imperfection” the reason why people want wood in the first place? It’s what makes it natural and beautiful
Knots in wood tend to be unstable, they can often have small voids inside or shrink enough during drying that they can just fall out. You can work around a knot and turn it into a design choice, but if you want dimensional stability you have to fill it with something that will compensate for the knot wood's weakness.
Most people use epoxy, Matthias demoed a slightly older stabilization method in the video. Traditionally woodworkers would cut around & discard knots entirely, just to avoid the headache.
It looked better with the knot. Gave it character.
one of the first and easiest things you learn as organ builder
Makes me wonder how a Pantorouter could be used for larger plugs...
Alternately we could make lots of plugs out of knots an insert them into areas of board that are too straight. 😜
So if you replace that bigger plug with a larger one, when do you switch to a router? And then just replacing the board?
Just plane the board down a bit and glue a sheet of veneer over the whole thing.
btw, Ikea uses basically the same technique
I look for wood that matches the grain very closely before cutting a plug.
This is a great tip, and can be done with tools I already have. Thanks!
Simple solutions are always the best!
hi
nice job
what is the brand of drill bit
like boat maker to cut plug thanks
Did I see you put a tilt on the vertical belt sander so that the plug would have a taper?
yes
arent you supposed to turn it 90 degrees so if the plug swells it doesnt split along the board's grain?
Good idea 👍
I thought the brief epoxy trash talk was amusing. I thought the epoxy projects were neat for like a minute, but became everyone and their brother covering anything in a gallon of epoxy. yikes.
And put it some blue dye and sparkles while you're at it
I wasn't quite happy how that last one came out either, so I replace it with an even bigger plug! [Matthias' infinite loop]
I agree with your choice.
Best way I’ve seen for a perfect plug is to lightly bevel the cylinder shape so it wedges in there. Works with any shape of plug too, even the classic hand-chiseled Dutchmen which is my favorite way to plug these
I wonder if gently angling the table of the belt sander would lightly bevel the cylinder shape?
You know, the way Mathias does . .
Cool, nice tip thanks for share
Why is everyone obsessed with these? Also it looks much worse after the plug.
it may look worse but it's stronger
Totally disagree, I think it looks way better. I'm not a fan of knots at all. To each their own I suppose.
I'd rather seal the knot and keep it looking original
That fancy handplane... is it a bevel up or bevel down blade?
I'll get my coat.
This is a test of self control, don’t look at it and it is fine without doing anything...
* plays "Want you gone" in the background *
Those are beauty marks!
What's the purpose of the piece of wood with the hole in it that you clamped to the top of the workpiece before drilling?
To keep the forstner bit from wandering.
Normally the center point of the bit would keep it from wandering but in this case he was drilling out a knot, nowhere for the point to get hold of.
Easy enough. Now, all i need is all the tools in a wood factory.
What, no epoxy river?! 🤣👍🏻
Have you tried flipping the wood over to the other side?
That would not make much of a video, would it?
I use a hole saw without the bit if I can.
I think the defects add charm but what do I know.
I like it because it's all the same wood and not some fill in material.
Would notching the plug allow for all the air to escape from the hole? My thinking is that the excess glue would fill such a notch making it difficult to detect.
Wood isn't watertight, let alone airtight.
and then there are people who collect and dry branches of different sizes to cut knot covers out of that still kind of look like a knot but, without color issues
what did the knot do wrong?
HANDY , Smart, COOL , Thanks !
Didn't know those plug bits even existed.. would have been nice for some projects 😅
Just use a knot from an old fencing panel. Draw round it and rougher out. Virtually invisible if done right.
Pretty good work! Thanks a lot for the tip! 😃
Stay safe there! 🖖😊
Ok, I thought my dad was nuts for doing this. Good to know it's actually a more regularly accepted process.
Love the epoxy dig.
Wie immer, einfach aber effektiv gelöst, keep it up !
But how does its strength compare to a pocket hole joint?
Make wood saw dust with wood glue perfect combination
Great tip, Thanks
Getting your fingers that close to the blade, and it just a numbers game....
Now it just looks like a plugged defect. Not really any better or worse looking than the knot was.
That is one fancy hand plane
The fun part is having to refinish and old piece a having 1/2 a dozen Dutchman's and plugs wash off while stripping .
Oh c'mon Matthias. I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could figure out 50 ways to patch a board with a defect larger than your largest Forstner bit. Paul Simon wrote that there are 50 ways to leave your lover and patching a board is a lot easier than that.
Other youtubers: These features in the wood give it so much character. Epoxy time!
Alternative Options for no band saw?
use a scroll saw or coping saw
My fancy hand plane.
😂🤣🤣
Very useful! Thanks for sharing! This is going to really help my project. Going to thumbs up and subscribe to help your channel as well as see your future ideas!
That is a very fancy plane
Can you please make a plug to cover my empty feeling inside?
That's clever, I like it.
For a second I thought he was going to epoxy it in...
What about using a multi-router?
why not make it a pearl inlay like a guitar fretboard? it's the exact same process!
Carrots work too. And are easier to shape.
Haha!! I was wondering how big you'd go with the plug!!! lol
To plug or knot to plug...that is the question!
Old trick my grandpa used too! He had no bandsaw so he sanded more...
It looks better if you just use paste
Brilliant idea! Going to try this out the next time I'm staring down a knot in the wrong spot.