Saviez vous que le programme f-35 a couté autant d'argent que la station spatiale internationale? 400milliard de dollards, et les coûts ont pas finit d'augmenter;Si on avait filé autant d'argent à Dassault Aviation ils auraient envoyé un homme poser le pieds sur Pluton...
The political prefer the f-35, the military prefer the Rafale.
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Tonton Please state what "military Perfer the Rafale", NO Military is buying the Rafale. India canceled it's order and the Rafale is given away to Egypt. To date, the Rafale has lost export opportunities in Algeria (SU-30MKA - Rafale a long shot), Brazil (JAS-39E/F Gripen NG - Rafale the initial favorite), Greece (Eurofighter, then F-16), Morocco (F-16C/D - Rafale the favorite), The Netherlands (F-35A), Norway (F-35A), Oman (Eurofighter - Rafale a long shot), Saudi Arabia (Eurofighter), Singapore (F-15SG), South Korea (F-15K, Rafale won but politics reversed the pick), Switzerland (JAS-39E Gripen NG), and the UAE (F-16E/F, but could win next competition). Other losses have been rumored over the years.
l'un vole et rempli parfaitement les missions qui lui sont confiées. L'autre coute très cher et n'est pas vraiment opérationnel. Voilà le grosse différence.
F35 has not reached the performances expected,does not have good payload,not fast,not manoeuvrable,Rafale realize completely the job it were made for....so i'll go for the rafale anytime!
Même si les Américains vont s'empresser de saboter cette vente car ils savent que si le Rafale commence à se vendre beaucoup de pays vont le vouloir par soucis d'équivalence des forces de frappes... (entre autre)
oui certe mais on en a vendu un au roi ou autre au maroc relusta il ses tuué avec LOL ces comme donnée une mazératie a un gosse de 12 ans :D mais je suis d'accord le rafal made in france et l'avion le plus répandue pour ses prouesse dans l'aviation millitaire moi même passionner je ses que pour moi rien n'égale le rafal mais le mig et le f18 sont aussi balaise mais apré sa depend de ce que l'on voit ^^
oui doit i avoir du louche la dessus car ce pays ne possède pas de pilote Ade quoi sa c est une servitude sufi de regarder la guerre des 6 jours pour comprendre
jorssen rené dit toi que la france pourrais i gagner plus , vendre nos avion et en plus lancer des formation pour les pilotes des autres pays pourrais nous faire encore plus gagné d'argent pour enfin relever la tete , j'éspere que le rafale se vendra encore et encore quand les pays aurons enfin compris que notre avion et un monstre!!
I believe that the Rafale would be a good replacement for the F/A 18 on carrier missions. It is a great aircraft. Not superior to the F22 but superior to the F35. Definitely better than the F/A 18. And this is coming from an American. Eurofighter is amazing as well buy a bit too expensive. This is why the U.K. is using the old RAF Tornado GR4 and not the Typhoon.
Yeah i guess with a few cycles of development Typhoon will be a better bird than F 35 surely because of stealth vs counter stealth dev, but pretty pricey. As of now Rafale is the only alternative, if Indian deal goes through Rafale will become cheaper too. Typhoon > Rafale but just cost is prohibitive.
Vilanders Gig The Typhoon is not superior to the Rafale, Rafale humiliated the Typhoon at Solenzara and at ATLC, and the Swiss report show a great superiority of the Rafale over the Typhoon. The Rafale was chosen even before the discussion about the price, precisely when India chose to modernise the Mirage 2000 fleet by France and not by Israël (which was far less cheaper).
neage59 I would love nothing but that, Rafale being better than EF and F35. But the reason for Raf being chosen in India is because it is Multirole, EF cant do ground attack at that time. Only dev that Ind wanted to do on Raf was Russian missile integration, EF had many gaps but i think EF as a platform is still maturing while for Raf next step is some 5th gen variant probably.
Je suis quand même content que l'on soit les seuls à l'avoir le Rafale. On a le meilleur avion de chasse du monde on peut être fier. Après ça ne protège pas de tout mais tout de même...
C'est une fierté mal placée mon copain. C'est un avion qui nous a couté extrêment cher, Dassault a carrément spolier la France et le gouvernement Joxe. Et la France c'est laissée faire par copinage et fierté mal placée aussi. Le Rafale est un excellent avion, mais un avion qui a déjà plus de 26 ans, qui nous coute cher et qui ne se vend pas à l'étranger, ni en Europe... Pour un pays comme le notre dont l'exportation souffre beaucoup c'est un peu beaucoup. Si on avait eu quelques marchés les ventes nous auraient peut être permis de développer un autre avion de chasse...
Si la France était restée dans le projet Eurofighter, le coût serait bien plus élevé pour un avion bien moins capable. L'âge d'un avion ne signifie pas grand chose, puisque tout dépend de la cellule. Regarde le MiG-35 et le Su-35, ils ne sont rien d'autre qu'une amélioration du MiG-29 et Su-27, ils ont beau avoir été amélioré, ils restent bien moins discret qu'un Rafale. La France est encore loin d'avoir besoin de développer un avion de chasse, et quand on voit ce que sont devenus le F-22 et le F-35 et surtout leur coût, elle a bien fait de produire un avion de génération 4++. Le F-22 ne peut faire que de la supériorité aérienne, il ne peut pas voler sous la pluie au risque d'abimer la peinture, et son temps et coût de maintenance son juste inabordable pour n'importe quel pays, même les États-Unis ont du mal à les entretenir. Quand au F-35, c'était censé être un équivalent du Rafale en mieux et de 5ème génération. Le seul avantage sur le Rafale est sa furtivité, bien qu'elle soit uniquement frontale et à l'arrière. Furtivité inutile si l'ennemi dispose d'un IRST, puisque le réacteur du F-35 dégage tout simplement une énorme signature thermique, pour un coût de développement dépassant les 500 milliards de dollars, et encore loin d'être terminé. La seule différence entre un avion de génération 4++ et un de 5ème génération est la furtivité, et encore... puisque le F-35 n'a qu'une furtivité partielle.
***** C'était envisageable, mais il lui reste combien de temps au F-18 aujourd'hui ? 10 ans ? La DGA a voulu voir loin, elle ne veut pas d'un avion qui part bientôt en retraite. La cellule du F-18 est vieille, sa SER est trop grosse et sa discrétion inexistante. Il est limité à 7.5G, un handicap pour le combat rapproché. Et sa capacité d'emport est faible. Le F-18 est multirôle mais pas omnirôle, le Rafale à la capacité de faire plusieurs types de missions simultanément, le F-18 ne peut pas. Le F-18 n'est pas conçu pour les conflits du futur, il n'est même capable de faire de la guerre électronique. Pour ça il faut acheter une version à part du F-18 qui est spécialisé dans cela. Une guerre contre un autre pays est toujours possible, et ce n'est certainement avec des F-18 obsolète qu'on aura la supériorité. Le Rafale a une annulation active, qui déphase les ondes radars ennemis, permettant de passer les défense ennemi en toute sécurité. Le Rafale l'a montré en Libye, si le F-18 s'était engagé en même temps que le Rafale, donc avant le SEAD, il aurait été abattu. La base de données de Spectra a été nourrie par 4 satellites ELINT et se nourrit avec les opérations et exercices, ce qui facilite le brouillage ou la détection d'ennemis. Sur le long terme qu'est-ce qui coûte le plus cher ? Un Rafale capable de faire le boulot de 3 Mirage 2000 en toute sécurité ? Ou un F-18 faisant le même boulot que le Mirage 2000 et prenant les mêmes risques ? Je ne pense pas que 3 F-18 restent moins cher à déployer et à entretenir qu'un seul Rafale, surtout que le Rafale a été conçu pour être peu cher à entretenir. Cette dépendance nationale permet de créer des milliers d'emplois, et l'Inde est sur le point d'acheter 126 Rafale pour 12 milliards de dollars, donc Dassault est sur le point de décrocher le plus gros contrat de l'histoire de l'aviation militaire. Les Leclerc sont déjà allés au Liban et au Kosovo pour des opérations de maintient de la paix. S'ils ne sont jamais allés en conflits c'est parce que la puissance de feu des AMX-10 RC et ERC 90 suffisent amplement, et un véhicule de reconnaissance et bien plus utile qu'un char dans ce type de conflit. En Afghanistan la province de Kapisa limite l'utilisation des chars, même les américains n'en ont pas déployés dans cette province.
***** Les Talibans c'est fini, ça fait déjà 2 ans que la France s'est retirée, les troupes restantes sont juste là pour entrainer l'armée afghane. Le Gripen n'est pas si bon que ça, ses capacités sont beaucoup trop limitées, autant envoyer un Mirage 2000 qui fera un meilleur boulot. Le Gripen est juste un avion conçu pour la défense du territoire, quand l'armée l'a évalué, il n'était même pas capable de mieux que le F-18 Hornet. Son seul et unique avantage réside sur sa capacité à pouvoir décoller et atterrir sur une route, c'est tout. L'Eurofighter est plus cher que le Rafale pour des performances bien moindre. Le F-18 Super Hornet approche de la retraite car obsolète, il est encore utile pour tuer quelques extrémiste, mais le jour où on sera en guerre contre un pays, ce n'est certainement pas avec cet avion qu'on arrivera à faire quelque chose, la majorité des pays ayant cet avion veulent le remplacer. Si en Libye il n'y avait pas eu le SEAD, le Rafale aurait été le seul avion à pouvoir s'engager profondément dans le territoire ennemi, les autres se seraient tout simplement fait détruire à cause de leur manque de discrétion. Le Su-37 n'est qu'un démonstrateur, et même chose que le Su-35, c'est une amélioration du Su-27, rien d'autre, donc la discrétion n'est pas très présente. De plus il faudrait demander un transfert de technologie, donc augmenter le prix, puis faire en sorte qu'il puisse accueillir les armes françaises et communiquer avec les autres appareils, donc faire un projet de développement. A côté il aurait fallu acheter des F-18 pour la Marine et faire la même chose, ce qui reviendrait plus cher que le Rafale sur le long terme, pour un temps de service moins important. Puisque si on avait le F-18, la Marine (ou l'armée s'il choisissait le même avion) chercherait déjà un remplaçant pour répondre aux besoins. Ensuite on peut imaginer que la France fait une opération sans le consentement du pays fournisseur. Embargo sur la livraisons des pièces pour la maintenance, flotte aérienne immobilisée. Et ça c'est quelque chose que la France ne se permettrait pas de subir. Le Mirage 2000-5 sera en retraite dans 10 ans et coûte aussi cher à entretenir qu'un Rafale pour des performances bien inférieures. Il y a toujours le risque de se faire attaquer, supprime les moyens de dissuasions et c'est terminé, tu n'as plus aucun poids. Les SNA sont là pour protéger nos flottes. Sur les 4 SNLE, il y en a au moins un en maintenance, les 3 autres sont répartis dans des points stratégiques, un dans l'océan atlantique, un dans le pacifique et un dans l'océan indien. Ce qui permet d'être à portée de n'importe quel pays.
On a vu au viet-nam des Phantom se faire tourner autour par des Mig-19. Le Rafale c'est le Breguet 691 avec plus de puissance qui nous a manqué en 40. Le seul avion efficace sur le terrain c'est le murlti-rôle, efficace surtout dans l'appuis. D'ou la préférence des Indiens. Si les israëliens ont demandé un canon et des bombes sur leurs Mirages IIIC, c'était pour une bonne raison.
sandy crawford Totalement d'accord, les multi-rôle sont les seuls avions efficaces aujourd'hui Comparons l'A-10 avec le Su-25; ce dernier a certes le même objectif (faire de l'appuis au sol), mais son armement lui permet de se défendre face aux agressions et de couvrir plus de missions que l'A-10 Sinon, les meilleurs avions sont le F-16, F-18, Mirage et Rafale
TheKenji2221 L'A-10 est très efficace au combat aérien. Même si il est lent, son habilité aérienne, sa portance, son largage de leurres constant et son canon rotatif Gatling, capable de cracher des obus de 33 mm pouvant percer le blindage d'un tank font de lui un avion de combat pratiquement multirôle. De plus, sa capacité de transport de charges externes est pratiquement le double de celle d'un F-16.
Oscar Barthe Tu plaisantes rassure moi ? Je reconnais son excellence au combat AG, mais il n'est absolument pas assez maniable pour le AA, de plus, il n'a que 2 Fox2 AIM-9 comparé au F-16 qui peut en avoir 6
The F35 lacks maneuverability, acceleration, and speed against the Eurofighter, Saab JAS 39 E/F, and the Rafale. The ONLY benefit to a F35 is stealth and its advanced avionics/radar. If there is a battle within visual range, these three jets will smoke the F35 - this cannot be debated - it is fact! The F35’s operating cost is far more than these three also. IF however its night time OR outside visual range, the F35 will destroy these aircraft and the other three won’t even know it is there. The problem is, many of these companies such as Saab and others have developed some pretty sophisticated radar systems that can does a great job at finding and tracking stealth aircraft. The F35 - in my own opinion - is one of the biggest mistakes the US Department of Defense ever made recently. Lockeed has major issues with cost overruns, excessive delivery scheduels, and mismanagement. We should have contracted with our European allies to purchase either the Eurofighter OR Saab JAS 39EF. The French want to do everything themselves and while part of the EU typically choose to “go-it-alone” when developing their own weapon systems. The Rafale is a very fine aircraft and one I’m sure is equal or better than our F16 Viper series.
There is also the aspect of training. US fighter pilots are very well trained. The F16 is a very maneuverable aircraft and only now other nations are catching up. Here's the kicker, the F35 is as maneuverable as the F16.
I'm agree with you . But today the visual air battles are not common. The modern radar used by the Russians on their pafka can't see the f35 or f22 . For the visual air battle the usa navy can use the f18 super hornet . Anyway the f35 is too expensive for what it really do
I'm really not sure who you think you are Robert Branham. I'm more American than you'll ever be and know more about fighter-jets than most other Americans. The flag is mine-earned as an Infantry Marine on the battlefield of Iraq. Today I serve my nation with the US Air Force and Department of Defense and this career along with my experience gives me an insight into weapon platforms and performance standards you only dream of. Your comment that I should remove the flag from the back ground because I'm somehow not an American is mute - and your and idiot for making it. P.S. Learn to spell.
Jeremy McVicar We could use more conscious debate of the acquisition of expensive weapon systems. In this day and age the power of money is so evident that we often get so caught up in our own advertising slogans and the product's delivery of promises and actual capabilities falls by the waist side. This as a concerned tax payer makes me nervous as this whole concept surrounding the F 35 is still relatively unproven. But enough about that, much respect to American and French aviators! Beautiful machines doing beautiful flying!
Une vidéo que je regarde en boucle depuis 8ans. On vois aujourd'hui encore le rafale bien devant le f35 avec son standard fr3 et bientôt f4 qui va encore creuser l'écart.😜
Pete is currently a test pilot for Ratheon. He has been a test pilot on 111 types of aircraft. He has a military background as a British Harrier Pilot and was also an RAF test pilot. He is an expert and made an unbiased assessment of the Rafale.
Le Rafale nous permet de rester dans le peloton de tête des avionneurs mondiaux... De garder la main et le savoir faire... En plus, on a fini par en vendre. Bingo !
you may see the Egyptian Rafale against israeli F-35 soon then we will know who is the best but any way f35 is 5th generation and rafale is 4++ generation but I think Rafale better
hisham sarwat you even know what diferrence between 4 and 5 generations the important difference is that f35 a far better to hit and destroy than rafale + rafale has less defense technology and its not the matter only planes the real matter is that israel pilots better than egyptians if you go to the back israel had mirages and egypt migs but migs actually were better but they got lose actually israel lost less planes in a all wars than egypt and syria in 1 war
laurentien00, since the performance demands have been cut back, I've changed my viewpoint on what's best for Canada. I now consider it a "tossup". There's a few in the "business" that prefer the SUs for Canada due to the long legs, and designed for poor runway/cold weather performance. Eventually, the 35 will have a much better lifespan but the issues with the CF-18s doesn't leave much window. The Raffy is OK too (not against the 22 though)
Avec le Rafale respect s.v.p. quel chasseur magnifique vive Dassault et vive le France, c'est vraiment impressionant ce chasseur quel rapace une vraie joie de le voir se déplacer en plein ciel quel bel oiseau vive encore et bravo à tous les mécanos ingénieurs et pilotes essais.
***** en ukraine aussi c'est le peuple qui trinque , tout comme un syrie la russie cherche avant tout a proteger ses propres interets geopolitique et c'est comprehensible ! ça ne veut pas dire que c'est tolerable pour les pays europeens que poutine pietine un etat souverain tout ça parce que le peuple ukrainien a choisit de virer le toutou de poutine et veut davantage se tourner vers l'europe !
" hors les Nazillons ukrainiens sous contrôle Etat unient on décidé de Bombardé et massacré les populations russe de l'est de l'Ukraine. " trop partisan comme avis ...c'est des separatistes pro russe qui font la guerre a l'etat ukrainien vous oublier de le preciser ça , parce que si c'etait " des populations russe" ba qu'est ce qu'il fouterai en ukraine alors ??? ils ont qu'a aller vivre en russie au pire ! quand a l'indexion de la crimée elle est illegale et le pseudo referendum est reconnu par personne dans le monde poutine lache pas l'ukraine et viol completement l'integrité et la souveraineté de de ce pays jusque dans ces choix politiques et arme les separatistes pro russes de l'est c'est tout ce qu'il faut comprendre ! " Non Dsl il à un peut plus de testicules et aime sont peuple un peut plus que ton Flamby, et ces ministres : > " MDR , ba il aime peut etre son peuple ( et encore il le montre mal ) mais pas certain que son peuple l'aime y'a aucune liberté d'expression en russie , les opposants politique se font buter et les riches fuit le pays pour echapper a la toute puissance de poutine quand a la france et israel c'est de la connerie , jte rappelle que c'est le veto americain membre permanent de l'ONU qui bloque tout depuis des decennies !!!!! et que la france oeuvre pour la reconnaissance d'un etat palestinien !!!! ( ce qui arrange pas du tout israel )
Unfortunately with the details still kept secret it's all we can do is speculate based on the known models. However, I am sure the external tanks vulnerability to radar is know and is or has been considered in the Rafale-D's design.
You the Frenchs, may be saling some of yours rafales to our Argentinian Air Force... you gave full credit when our pilots proved your super etendard and exocet missiles in the Malvinas War.
Gareth Whittaker Super Etendard and Exocet proven to be very good by our Navy Pilots. There are some decent English Ships sleeping in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and several out of service. Plus, there were the Air Force guys, who was attacking the Royal Navy face to face and against all odds. Very Skilled, talented, brave and professional pilots. Ask the English who really knows the story.
Gareth Whittaker Just 5 exocet, 1 container was sunk, 1 type 42 was sunk, 1 Carrier was hit. That is a very good performance i think, moreover, knowing that the French technicians didn't revealed the codes to the Argentinian personnel. Take it into account that such technology was never been proven before the Malvinas War. For me, that's is success and with 5 or 10 more exocets there would be another story.
Gareth Whittaker REgarding hiding, they had to survive. Harrier was lethal with the AIM sidewinder missile. They knew it and they had to hide away from the Harrier and their professional English pilots. It was a matter of surviving. They had old skyhawks with no radar, only the plane and the bombs! even the cannyon failed. Anyway they proved to be a professional and brave air force. Against all odds they had to low fly at insane 5 mts over the atlantic at 950 km/h receiving all type of ammutition, missiles , any kind of fire. I can't even imagine that, it's scary. sorry for my english.
Gareth Whittaker If its yes or no, on or off for you, then , why to comment on anything? I rather prefered to discuss on something and giving some information. If this is no good for you, ok. I'm Argentine, i think well educated one, no drugs take part anytime of my life, so my brain cells are good i think. Our pilots, 2 of them who survived the attack against Invincible says that it was hit by 1 exocet missile and a couple of bombs from 2 skyhawks. There were 1 wing of 2 super etendards with 1 exocet missile and 1 wing of 4 A4 Skyhawks, only 2 of those 4 pilots had survived. Of course, english denied it. I trust our pilots. Must i say just sorry for that?
Interesting. Are they used by aggressor sqd for dissimilar air combat training or are they actually used as line fighters? I know the NFWS has/had a number.
raffale easily... time counts and the rafale takes less time to arm itself as its weapons are ecternally mounted the f-35 would either be to slow with weapons pre exposed or shout out before it could fire....welcome to reality...... the other reality shock to many should be that the f-35 is a replacement for the f-16 not f-18...... so no S*it the pak fa ans f-22 are better aircraft.....
When I say Sea-Typhoon would be too expensive, I say this because the structure of the Typhoon is not made for a navalized variant (not enough stable at low speed). But of course I think a Sea-Typhoon would be a better choice for UK when we see the budget of the F35 program and that is not able to land on an aircraft carrier yet.
No, I was referring to the F-35 having some superior systems over the F-22. There's nothing the raffy does better than the Raptor that I'm aware of, at least air to air wise. The next gen of engines are well along in development, it will increase both T/W and the range of the F-35. Actual thrust of the F-135 is 55k (bench) 50k if you don't mind high rebuild rates and lousy gas mileage. 44k if your selling the F-35 to bean counters
Actually the US Navy does fly 40 F 16N's . They are stationed at the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center in Fallen Nevada at the Naval Air station there. Not sure if the marines fly any at all. The Marines still fly 99 harriers as well
and although the cost of the F35 is a problem. Let me explain: -delays is a repetition increases the unit cost of production very significant way; -some countries have ordered have reduced or simply canceled their orders! (netherlands, united kingdom ....); this has the effect of further increasing unit costs (economies of scale!)
You Tube, ' The CF-105 Super Arrow (US & International Release) '. This plane won't be built. But notice that it's airframe is more similar to the Rafale?
Your welcome and it's quite understandable to be skeptical on the supercruise for the Rafale. It's actually is a source or controvers and debate in aviation community for same reasons you stated.
The Rafale is not a VLO design, in fact its airframe design has quite a large radar return. It uses inbuilt jamming to reduce its signature. This is a problem against any modern enemy radar system. The jamming transmitter are AESA meaning they can tx on multiple frequencies with multiple wave forms at a time. With its DRFM system this can work quite well against older threat radars. Against modern, high powered AESA radars, Spectra's jamming transmitters will find themselves using....
This is another daft thread, each aircraft are designed for different things. The F 22 is an air superiority aircraft and 5th generation. The F 35 JSF is a 5th generation multi-role aircraft with STOVL capability. The F 22 is a replacement for the F 15 in the air superiority role but is incredibly expensive and in the type of engagements currently being fought against ISIS, for example, somewhat out of place. The F 35, developed by engineers from Europe and America (hence JOINT strike fighter), is the most important development in aircraft technology since the Harrier, it is multi-role, incorporates stealth technology and STOVL, it combines the F 16 and Harrier and is therefore more flexible than the F 22, but, it is immensely expensive and has encountered a great deal of technical issues in development which has delayed entry into service and discouraged purchases. The incorporation of stealth technology means it is slightly less capable in a dog fight as it is designed to excel in BVR combat with its low radar cross section. The Rafale and Typhoon are both 4.5 generation aircraft and multi-role, they will replace the Tornado (designed as an interceptor/ground attack aircraft) and Mirage 2000/Super Etendard in French service. Both aircraft are similar as they grew out of the EF2000 programme which France was originally a part of. They are both superior to the F15/16/18 in terms of close-in combat and also have low radar cross sections to enhance their BVR capability. The Rafale and Typhoon are both faster than the F 35, more manoeuvrable, and better dog fighters but this is because they have to be. Both aircraft, to defeat a stealth capable aircraft, must close at speed and then out-turn/climb it in order to off-set the inherent advantages of stealth and BVR. In terms of ground attack both the Rafale and Typhoon are highly capable because the Typhoon is supposed to replace the Tornado GR4 and the Rafale the Super Etendard, this makes both aircraft equivalent/superior to the F-15 Strike Eagle in ground attack. Each of these combat aircraft are highly capable but designed for different roles and cannot really be compared objectively.
Agreed. There is no way to compare these two aircraft. The F35 can take off and land on the bed of a big rig truck, it has stealth capabilities, super sonic speed, it can cruise at those speeds for extended periods of time, advanced weapons, etc... The Rafale is a cool jet and very well designed but there is a bit of a gap here. As for cost... if that is how you are judging part of these jets then you also have to consider the USA still has the largest air force. Cost is not much of an issue.
yes they have, during atlc tactical exercizes in the uae in 2009 ( the rafale scoring 5nuls and one defeat vs the raptor, which isn't so bad, given by then it wasn't fitted with it's aesa. the gripen also has, during red flag. as for tactics, france's radar coverage would surprize you, stealth isn't feared that much over here (we've been using it on ships and missiles for over 20 years). the meteor is said to have a bigger range than that of the aim120. of course, i'm only a YT "expert"...
Pourquoi quand on parle de f35 et de rafale y'a toujours un gland pour dire ''euuuuh oué euuu le f22 raptor il ai mieu hein'' je sais pas, quand j'achète un boîte de chaussures, on me force pas à acheter une voiture !
Hi there. Short answer is nope :) Us brits have never been ones for stealth i guess, or pure bombing. While currently we have no stealth fighter we have received several F-35B's which shall join as an operational aircraft around 2018 or thereabouts. Your point is very much valid now that there was a recent event leading to the production of f-35's once again. Im not fully able to understand why LMA is angry, both nations are using the jet so we should both respect it. Also f-35 > Rafale imho.
Wow!! I"m impressed...any more?... than one guy, that is? There is a good relationship between the French and US militaries. plenty of videos of Raffy touch and goes and landings from US carriers...when the De Gaulle is down for repairs...which is most of the time. Harbour queen, is the term, I believe
EL RAFALE ES EL AVION MODERNO ESTETICAMENTE MAS HERMOSO Y ELEGANTE DE SU TIEMPO...ADEMAS DE HABER SIDO PROBADO DE MANERA MUY EFECTIVA EN COMBATE POR SUS EXTRORDINARIAS CAPACIDADES ..
The title of the video and the description contradict themselves. The term "versus" pretty much relates to an adversary in military combat aviation. You can't compare a jet built in the the later 1980's to one that is not in full active service, that's like comparing a P-51 to an F-15, it just does not make sense.
I've been doing some searching. I can't find anywhere that he's flown in the EF. His opinion is not objective, if that's the case. I found similar comments on various defence forums. I also found that he was a RAF test pilot almost 20 yrs ago. Sorry, I do find the Rafale an impressive jet, but I'm not sure that I would use him as a credible resource.
larger groups of transmitters which limits the number of frequencies it can jam. Another issue with modern threat radars is that they no longer use a predictable pattern of waveforms, pulse lengths frequency hops which is what DRFM jamming relies on to form a nulling or deceptive signal effect. The F-35 on the other hand has both forms of stealth. Because it has a VLO airframe which will always return a signal many hundreds of times weaker than the Rafale's, the F-35 is not required to ....
Alright dude, I want the airline that you fly for, the equipment you most commonly fly, I want you too email me you degree in engineering, and I want to know what squadron you were part of in the Navy.
Rafale is probably the most BEAUTIFULLY LOOKING, ELEGANT plane I've SEEN IN A LONG TIME and - moreover - gives an impression of a TREMENDOUS POWER - WONDERFUL!The other one - idk...I still haven't figured out what is this thing supposed to be?SURE AS FUCK it cannot replace NEITHER THE A-10 - NOR THE F-16.Nice video, though!
Yeah I know but in Red Flag Rafales have to turn on Spectra in passive mode for anti-air defense and there are not always awacs. But if F22 pilots ask to turn off the RBE2 radar and Spectra in ATLC and since you can't find a F22 when there are Rafale, its there is a weak point on the F22 radar that Spectra can find. It's the only thing I see. Maybe a single wave using the same frequency.
i've never heard of any of this, so spectra can detect f22 radar, well if it can, that's great, but is it strong enough to track, aquire and shoot, all radar can be detected, but AESA is the toughest
The best jet belongs to the country that doesn't back away from a fight. And to a well trained pilot with the best situational awareness,weapons and ordinance. I read here a lot of opinions from people that are either repeating what they've read or twisted information based on personal bias. Mine included. The world is full of good and great jet fighters. I for one have a great appreciation for many of the designs. No matter the country. As I'm sure many of you do as well. Their are many new advances and many new jet fighters in the scene or about to get in on the scene. Future conflicts will determine which fighter is superior. Till then it's all speculation mostly based on personal preference or nationalism. So we don't really need to get in an argument with each other about which jet can kick the others ass. We aren't toddlers talking about our daddies. Besides it takes more than a jet fighter to win a battle or a dog fight. Their are many moving parts and a lot of support on the ground as well as in the air.
Incapable designers was what I was told by one top BAE engineers about the F35 and they were also having strong reserves about the F22. Brits said that back in 2007. Please, provide proof that "Maintenance to flight hours now the best in the USAF" or your word is not better then mine.
Officiellement on a jamais quitté l'OTAN, on avait juste quitté le commandement intégré pour ne pas être sous commandement américain. Sarko a réintégré la France à l'OTAN sous certaines conditions dont celui de garder un contrôle direct de ses troupes. Pour le reste je suis d'accord avec toi, le fait que les US vendent des avions bientôt obsolètes qui n'ont pas les dernières technologies (pour les pays hors OTAN et en dehors des EAU) n'attirent pas les clients qui cherchent la performance.
"The F-135 has NEVER been tested to 43,000 lb" That number comes straight from P&W own website and is documented all over the place. I suggest you send them a mail to correct that number, since you were once "aviator "now turned "engineer" and actually present when they tested the engine.
I don't know......there is a lot of stuff out there suggesting the performance of F-22 and f-35 is way over-rated. The Australians pulled out and they had close access to US tech. They are not dumbies and stated their pull out was due to bad performance.... Rafale works and has proven itself
"The Snecma M88 engine in the Dassault Rafale allows it to supercruise in dry power, even with four missiles and a 1000-liter belly tank and even in the naval version; it can supercruise up to Mach 1.4 while carrying six air-to-air missiles "Air defense mission for flotille F12." Fox Three, issue 8, and Desclaux, Jacques and Jacques Serre (2003). M88 - 2 E4: Advanced New Generation Engine for Rafale Multirole Fighter. So his statement is fact. Not from some buddy.
I know, the waves frenquencies of an AESA radar always change. The job of Spectra is to detect and examine the waves to know the position of the source. Like you said AESA radar is the toughest. What I say is just a suggestion, if a single wave has always the same frequency, very difficult to find but if with meeting or exercise for exemple Spectra can have the time to detect this single wave, it can save to the database and use it to detect F22 more easily. Like I said it's just a suggestion.
Current fighters by the USAF are 475 F 15's 1003 F 16's and 187 F 22's. The Navy and Marines have 1175 F 18's and the marines also have 99 Harriers. The USAF also has 345 A 10's. I still say the top two Air forces in the world are the USAF and the USN!
je précise que les éléments empruntés sont des "disques durs" contenant toutes les données de vol de l'avion lui meme mais aussi des évenements tiers(cibles, ennemis détectés....).
@David Katzin - Rafale 1st flight: 1986. X-31 first flight: 1990. But please feel free to find another argument - we are on the internets after all: unlike war, you can try again as many times as you want. And unlike war, ridicule does not kill either. (Arrogant hint warning!) The only chance for the US to remain at the top will be to eat a big chunk of humble pie, carefully record the lessons learned from the mistakes of the JSF programme and hammer them on every politician, general, exec and engineer getting to work on the next big programme.
Le Gripen est un avion léger qui fait que son coût de maintenance est faible, mais ses capacités et son autonomie aussi. Le coût d'achat et de maintenance du Rafale est inférieur à celui de l'Eurofighter, et son autonomie est supérieur. L'Inde est sur le point de signer le contrat avec Dassault, pas le consortium. La RAAF avait constaté que le F-35 ne disposait que d'une furtivité frontale, et ses capacités sont encore très limitées. Le F-16 peut être comparé au Mirage 2000 mais pas au Rafale.
Of course, it also depends on capacity, we don't know exactly the capacity to these missiles. We only know that the AIM120D has more range, we know that the range +100km for the Meteor is the range for wich his maximum agility is, but we don't know for AIM. We know that Meteor is faster. But for both we don't know the agility, maybe the AIM120D is as agile as the AIM120C or maybe is as agile as MICA, same for Meteor enven if I think it as agile as MICA. Of course F22 has a very big advantage.
Sur le papier, c'est bien jolie tout ça :)... Mais ce qui fais la vraie différence, c'est le(s) type(s) qui est/sont dans le cockpit !! Après la machine en dépend un peu, mais c'est vraiment 10 à 15%...
But remember, the F-35 and F-22 are much more expensive than the beautiful Rafale because they also have stealth capabilities. So for the given price tag, the awesome Rafale from France is the world's best fighter aircraft today. Once more, Long Live Indo-French friendship and Thank You France from all the citizens of India.
their is just one little problem about engaging an f22 in BVR, even with the meteror, its a losing battle, the aim120d outranges the meteror and newest version of the r77, its radar out ranges the rafale, the f22 can be detected at longer ranges, but it's like a ufo sighting, somethings their, but we dont know what
I'd take both the F-22 and 35 over the Rafale. At BVR both for sure have the advantage, and at WVR the F-22 has already shown to be master in the sky, and that's using rookie pilots. People knock the F-35, but it will be a better dogfighter than people think. With its HMS combined with DAS, and DIRCM it will be a very difficult fighter to beat even at WVR.
Rafale has a perfect airframe, better than F-35. F-35 is definately more stealthier. But for future Rafale can be easily improved or slitely redesigned to meet stealth requirements. In this case having better agility (due to its airframe) and stealth shape Rafale definitely win the competition. A question is that does France plan to continue this project?
The US has 840 F-16C and 177 F-16 D models in service at this time. Those numbers should lower within the next couple of months as due to budget cuts the USAF has been forced to ground something like 17 full fighter wings ( that a shitload of aircraft btw) Still, your main point was correct in the terms of scale compared to the Russian AF, your numbers were slightly off though. Source - USAF F-16 fact sheet from the USAF official website. Can send you the link if you want it.
I seen that there is 365 people who don't like this video and I hit 366 on accident which I added to 2.4 thousand because this is probably one of the baddest coolest video of all time. Pensacola FL Blue Angles Full Throttle Fan.
L'emport interne est adapté que pour un certain type de mission avec d'importante limitation (f117like), pour le quotidien il sera obligé d'utiliser les emports externes, le gain de la furtivité sera perdue. les capacités opérationnelle de l'avion sont limités par la furtivité qui le rend fragile, il est court sur patte. Les alliés auront une furtivité fortement dégradé. supériorité US oblige. si il vient en dessous des 50N le rafale le shoot en détection passive, il est fait pour ca.
I think he's talking about Christopher Niemi, a former F22 test pilot and squadron commander. But I don't have the time to search ;-) google is your friend
Hem, all the comments below me were talking about the F-22, hence my post. In out-of-visual-range engagements, the American Raptors did not even condescend to turn on their radars, remaining invisible to the Rafale's RBE2 [radar system] and Spectra [self-defense system] while precisely locating the electromagnetic waves from the French fighter - in some french aviation magazine. You are talking about some kind of agreement to use only certain missiles, which caused them to dogfight.
Le F35 est multirole donc fait aussi des missions de supériorité aérienne. Le F22 est en service dans l'USAF et a plusieurs problèmes, le premier (et le plus grave) est ses pannes électroniques, ensuite il y a le problème d'arrivée d'oxygène, le problème de la pluie, et le problème du brouillage radar. De plus sa maintenance est tellement chère que la plupart des F22 restent cloués au sol. Aussi l'USAF l'utilise uniquement pour faire de la défense aérienne.
By telling me it has an AESA radar is just telling me ou have copied a Northrop Grumman designed radar which is in the f18E and anything newer, it is also in Russian planes now too. So the fact that you state the Rafale has it as of this year just means you are following technology not leading it. But you need to put all this new technology on a newer more modern airframe
from a completely unbiased point of view, although the rafale is and older gen it seem to pack as much punch as the mig 35 or the f22. great design of the bodywork too. theres a reason only one is still flown in combat missions today.
Saviez vous que le programme f-35 a couté autant d'argent que la station spatiale internationale? 400milliard de dollards, et les coûts ont pas finit d'augmenter;Si on avait filé autant d'argent à Dassault Aviation ils auraient envoyé un homme poser le pieds sur Pluton...
Et en plus ils ont pris moins de temps pour envoyer un homme sur la lune en 1969
tonton charlie bien dis
~2.5x plus :hap: la station c'est "seulement" 150 000 000 000$
@@rockstabtch5813 sérieux ?? putain le fail XD
1,5 trilliard aujourdhui...
Los aviones franceses son los mejores en todos los aspectos!!! Ya lo demostraron muchas veces
+1!
The political prefer the f-35, the military prefer the Rafale.
Tonton Please state what "military Perfer the Rafale", NO Military is buying the Rafale. India canceled it's order and the Rafale is given away to Egypt. To date, the Rafale has lost export opportunities in Algeria (SU-30MKA - Rafale a long shot), Brazil (JAS-39E/F Gripen NG - Rafale the initial favorite), Greece (Eurofighter, then F-16), Morocco (F-16C/D - Rafale the favorite), The Netherlands (F-35A), Norway (F-35A), Oman (Eurofighter - Rafale a long shot), Saudi Arabia (Eurofighter), Singapore (F-15SG), South Korea (F-15K, Rafale won but politics reversed the pick), Switzerland (JAS-39E Gripen NG), and the UAE (F-16E/F, but could win next competition). Other losses have been rumored over the years.
India will buy Rafale i think. Because F-35 has huge cost compare to Rafale.
Rafale French vs F-35 lightning ii☝️💓💯🇲🇫
F-35 is a joke
Rafale won
F-35 better Russia Su-35 last war 🤭😇☝️😂🎬📷🇷🇺🇺🇸
l'un vole et rempli parfaitement les missions qui lui sont confiées. L'autre coute très cher et n'est pas vraiment opérationnel. Voilà le grosse différence.
The rafale is omnirole the f33 is just for the fight... No contest the Rafale is the best!=)
F35*
F35 has not reached the performances expected,does not have good payload,not fast,not manoeuvrable,Rafale realize completely the job it were made for....so i'll go for the rafale anytime!
F-35 usaf🤸🏂🏂🏂🤭🤭🇺🇸📷☝️😂
How to Today Air force Work yes I Very like F-35 stealht Fighter
Damn. I remember seeing this video back in 2011. What a throwback.
The f35 is just a flying bomber with stealth. Not a fighter.
Enfin le Rafale s'exporte! L'Egypte s'offre le meilleur avion de chasse du monde sur le marché rien que ça.
Même si les Américains vont s'empresser de saboter cette vente car ils savent que si le Rafale commence à se vendre beaucoup de pays vont le vouloir par soucis d'équivalence des forces de frappes... (entre autre)
oui certe mais on en a vendu un au roi ou autre au maroc relusta il ses tuué avec LOL ces comme donnée une mazératie a un gosse de 12 ans :D mais je suis d'accord le rafal made in france et l'avion le plus répandue pour ses prouesse dans l'aviation millitaire moi même passionner je ses que pour moi rien n'égale le rafal mais le mig et le f18 sont aussi balaise mais apré sa depend de ce que l'on voit ^^
jokjok974 On les emmerde et on rentre à nos maisons. (South Park)
oui doit i avoir du louche la dessus car ce pays ne possède pas de pilote Ade quoi sa c est une servitude sufi de regarder la guerre des 6 jours pour comprendre
jorssen rené dit toi que la france pourrais i gagner plus , vendre nos avion et en plus lancer des formation pour les pilotes des autres pays pourrais nous faire encore plus gagné d'argent pour enfin relever la tete , j'éspere que le rafale se vendra encore et encore quand les pays aurons enfin compris que notre avion et un monstre!!
vive le savoir faire français!
Vom 7 vive la France
I believe that the Rafale would be a good replacement for the F/A 18 on carrier missions. It is a great aircraft. Not superior to the F22 but superior to the F35. Definitely better than the F/A 18. And this is coming from an American. Eurofighter is amazing as well buy a bit too expensive. This is why the U.K. is using the old RAF Tornado GR4 and not the Typhoon.
It's especially because the Typhoon is not able to do ground attack missions by itself.
Yeah i guess with a few cycles of development Typhoon will be a better bird than F 35 surely because of stealth vs counter stealth dev, but pretty pricey. As of now Rafale is the only alternative, if Indian deal goes through Rafale will become cheaper too. Typhoon > Rafale but just cost is prohibitive.
Vilanders Gig The Typhoon is not superior to the Rafale, Rafale humiliated the Typhoon at Solenzara and at ATLC, and the Swiss report show a great superiority of the Rafale over the Typhoon.
The Rafale was chosen even before the discussion about the price, precisely when India chose to modernise the Mirage 2000 fleet by France and not by Israël (which was far less cheaper).
neage59
I would love nothing but that, Rafale being better than EF and F35. But the reason for Raf being chosen in India is because it is Multirole, EF cant do ground attack at that time. Only dev that Ind wanted to do on Raf was Russian missile integration, EF had many gaps but i think EF as a platform is still maturing while for Raf next step is some 5th gen variant probably.
Vilanders Gig For India, it was the Typhoon Tranche 3 which was proposed, the Tranche 3 include a multirole capability.
Raffale A -> 1985
X-31 -> 1990
Who copies who ?
Americans using European technologies, as usual
ac0pt Rafale e o melhor. Casa
technology Aesar radar😍
Je suis quand même content que l'on soit les seuls à l'avoir le Rafale. On a le meilleur avion de chasse du monde on peut être fier. Après ça ne protège pas de tout mais tout de même...
C'est une fierté mal placée mon copain.
C'est un avion qui nous a couté extrêment cher, Dassault a carrément spolier la France et le gouvernement Joxe. Et la France c'est laissée faire par copinage et fierté mal placée aussi.
Le Rafale est un excellent avion, mais un avion qui a déjà plus de 26 ans, qui nous coute cher et qui ne se vend pas à l'étranger, ni en Europe... Pour un pays comme le notre dont l'exportation souffre beaucoup c'est un peu beaucoup.
Si on avait eu quelques marchés les ventes nous auraient peut être permis de développer un autre avion de chasse...
Si la France était restée dans le projet Eurofighter, le coût serait bien plus élevé pour un avion bien moins capable.
L'âge d'un avion ne signifie pas grand chose, puisque tout dépend de la cellule. Regarde le MiG-35 et le Su-35, ils ne sont rien d'autre qu'une amélioration du MiG-29 et Su-27, ils ont beau avoir été amélioré, ils restent bien moins discret qu'un Rafale.
La France est encore loin d'avoir besoin de développer un avion de chasse, et quand on voit ce que sont devenus le F-22 et le F-35 et surtout leur coût, elle a bien fait de produire un avion de génération 4++.
Le F-22 ne peut faire que de la supériorité aérienne, il ne peut pas voler sous la pluie au risque d'abimer la peinture, et son temps et coût de maintenance son juste inabordable pour n'importe quel pays, même les États-Unis ont du mal à les entretenir.
Quand au F-35, c'était censé être un équivalent du Rafale en mieux et de 5ème génération. Le seul avantage sur le Rafale est sa furtivité, bien qu'elle soit uniquement frontale et à l'arrière. Furtivité inutile si l'ennemi dispose d'un IRST, puisque le réacteur du F-35 dégage tout simplement une énorme signature thermique, pour un coût de développement dépassant les 500 milliards de dollars, et encore loin d'être terminé.
La seule différence entre un avion de génération 4++ et un de 5ème génération est la furtivité, et encore... puisque le F-35 n'a qu'une furtivité partielle.
***** C'était envisageable, mais il lui reste combien de temps au F-18 aujourd'hui ? 10 ans ? La DGA a voulu voir loin, elle ne veut pas d'un avion qui part bientôt en retraite.
La cellule du F-18 est vieille, sa SER est trop grosse et sa discrétion inexistante. Il est limité à 7.5G, un handicap pour le combat rapproché. Et sa capacité d'emport est faible.
Le F-18 est multirôle mais pas omnirôle, le Rafale à la capacité de faire plusieurs types de missions simultanément, le F-18 ne peut pas. Le F-18 n'est pas conçu pour les conflits du futur, il n'est même capable de faire de la guerre électronique. Pour ça il faut acheter une version à part du F-18 qui est spécialisé dans cela.
Une guerre contre un autre pays est toujours possible, et ce n'est certainement avec des F-18 obsolète qu'on aura la supériorité.
Le Rafale a une annulation active, qui déphase les ondes radars ennemis, permettant de passer les défense ennemi en toute sécurité. Le Rafale l'a montré en Libye, si le F-18 s'était engagé en même temps que le Rafale, donc avant le SEAD, il aurait été abattu. La base de données de Spectra a été nourrie par 4 satellites ELINT et se nourrit avec les opérations et exercices, ce qui facilite le brouillage ou la détection d'ennemis.
Sur le long terme qu'est-ce qui coûte le plus cher ? Un Rafale capable de faire le boulot de 3 Mirage 2000 en toute sécurité ? Ou un F-18 faisant le même boulot que le Mirage 2000 et prenant les mêmes risques ? Je ne pense pas que 3 F-18 restent moins cher à déployer et à entretenir qu'un seul Rafale, surtout que le Rafale a été conçu pour être peu cher à entretenir.
Cette dépendance nationale permet de créer des milliers d'emplois, et l'Inde est sur le point d'acheter 126 Rafale pour 12 milliards de dollars, donc Dassault est sur le point de décrocher le plus gros contrat de l'histoire de l'aviation militaire.
Les Leclerc sont déjà allés au Liban et au Kosovo pour des opérations de maintient de la paix. S'ils ne sont jamais allés en conflits c'est parce que la puissance de feu des AMX-10 RC et ERC 90 suffisent amplement, et un véhicule de reconnaissance et bien plus utile qu'un char dans ce type de conflit.
En Afghanistan la province de Kapisa limite l'utilisation des chars, même les américains n'en ont pas déployés dans cette province.
***** Les Talibans c'est fini, ça fait déjà 2 ans que la France s'est retirée, les troupes restantes sont juste là pour entrainer l'armée afghane.
Le Gripen n'est pas si bon que ça, ses capacités sont beaucoup trop limitées, autant envoyer un Mirage 2000 qui fera un meilleur boulot. Le Gripen est juste un avion conçu pour la défense du territoire, quand l'armée l'a évalué, il n'était même pas capable de mieux que le F-18 Hornet. Son seul et unique avantage réside sur sa capacité à pouvoir décoller et atterrir sur une route, c'est tout.
L'Eurofighter est plus cher que le Rafale pour des performances bien moindre.
Le F-18 Super Hornet approche de la retraite car obsolète, il est encore utile pour tuer quelques extrémiste, mais le jour où on sera en guerre contre un pays, ce n'est certainement pas avec cet avion qu'on arrivera à faire quelque chose, la majorité des pays ayant cet avion veulent le remplacer. Si en Libye il n'y avait pas eu le SEAD, le Rafale aurait été le seul avion à pouvoir s'engager profondément dans le territoire ennemi, les autres se seraient tout simplement fait détruire à cause de leur manque de discrétion.
Le Su-37 n'est qu'un démonstrateur, et même chose que le Su-35, c'est une amélioration du Su-27, rien d'autre, donc la discrétion n'est pas très présente. De plus il faudrait demander un transfert de technologie, donc augmenter le prix, puis faire en sorte qu'il puisse accueillir les armes françaises et communiquer avec les autres appareils, donc faire un projet de développement.
A côté il aurait fallu acheter des F-18 pour la Marine et faire la même chose, ce qui reviendrait plus cher que le Rafale sur le long terme, pour un temps de service moins important. Puisque si on avait le F-18, la Marine (ou l'armée s'il choisissait le même avion) chercherait déjà un remplaçant pour répondre aux besoins.
Ensuite on peut imaginer que la France fait une opération sans le consentement du pays fournisseur. Embargo sur la livraisons des pièces pour la maintenance, flotte aérienne immobilisée. Et ça c'est quelque chose que la France ne se permettrait pas de subir.
Le Mirage 2000-5 sera en retraite dans 10 ans et coûte aussi cher à entretenir qu'un Rafale pour des performances bien inférieures.
Il y a toujours le risque de se faire attaquer, supprime les moyens de dissuasions et c'est terminé, tu n'as plus aucun poids.
Les SNA sont là pour protéger nos flottes.
Sur les 4 SNLE, il y en a au moins un en maintenance, les 3 autres sont répartis dans des points stratégiques, un dans l'océan atlantique, un dans le pacifique et un dans l'océan indien. Ce qui permet d'être à portée de n'importe quel pays.
L'inde possède aussi des rafales.
A least Dassault should sell a few Rafale to USA for American pilots to have some fun !
Didier Lemoine Nope
No cold war..
I think that India has makes the good choice.
looks like. Maybe not the best but its there and works
SU 30 MKI good choice no Mistral no business
Philippus Rex Franciæ yes
On a vu au viet-nam des Phantom se faire tourner autour par des Mig-19. Le Rafale c'est le Breguet 691 avec plus de puissance qui nous a manqué en 40. Le seul avion efficace sur le terrain c'est le murlti-rôle, efficace surtout dans l'appuis. D'ou la préférence des Indiens. Si les israëliens ont demandé un canon et des bombes sur leurs Mirages IIIC, c'était pour une bonne raison.
sandy crawford Totalement d'accord, les multi-rôle sont les seuls avions efficaces aujourd'hui
Comparons l'A-10 avec le Su-25; ce dernier a certes le même objectif (faire de l'appuis au sol), mais son armement lui permet de se défendre face aux agressions et de couvrir plus de missions que l'A-10
Sinon, les meilleurs avions sont le F-16, F-18, Mirage et Rafale
TheKenji2221 L'A-10 est très efficace au combat aérien. Même si il est lent, son habilité aérienne, sa portance, son largage de leurres constant et son canon rotatif Gatling, capable de cracher des obus de 33 mm pouvant percer le blindage d'un tank font de lui un avion de combat pratiquement multirôle. De plus, sa capacité de transport de charges externes est pratiquement le double de celle d'un F-16.
Oscar Barthe
Tu plaisantes rassure moi ?
Je reconnais son excellence au combat AG, mais il n'est absolument pas assez maniable pour le AA, de plus, il n'a que 2 Fox2 AIM-9 comparé au F-16 qui peut en avoir 6
Rafale - the most beautiful actual jet, a real piece of art
The F35 lacks maneuverability, acceleration, and speed against the Eurofighter, Saab JAS 39 E/F, and the Rafale. The ONLY benefit to a F35 is stealth and its advanced avionics/radar. If there is a battle within visual range, these three jets will smoke the F35 - this cannot be debated - it is fact! The F35’s operating cost is far more than these three also. IF however its night time OR outside visual range, the F35 will destroy these aircraft and the other three won’t even know it is there. The problem is, many of these companies such as Saab and others have developed some pretty sophisticated radar systems that can does a great job at finding and tracking stealth aircraft. The F35 - in my own opinion - is one of the biggest mistakes the US Department of Defense ever made recently. Lockeed has major issues with cost overruns, excessive delivery scheduels, and mismanagement. We should have contracted with our European allies to purchase either the Eurofighter OR Saab JAS 39EF. The French want to do everything themselves and while part of the EU typically choose to “go-it-alone” when developing their own weapon systems. The Rafale is a very fine aircraft and one I’m sure is equal or better than our F16 Viper series.
There is also the aspect of training. US fighter pilots are very well trained. The F16 is a very maneuverable aircraft and only now other nations are catching up. Here's the kicker, the F35 is as maneuverable as the F16.
DoubleTapLasVegas so is the SU-30 and SU-35 and Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, and gripen...
I'm agree with you . But today the visual air battles are not common. The modern radar used by the Russians on their pafka can't see the f35 or f22 . For the visual air battle the usa navy can use the f18 super hornet . Anyway the f35 is too expensive for what it really do
I'm really not sure who you think you are Robert Branham. I'm more American than you'll ever be and know more about fighter-jets than most other Americans. The flag is mine-earned as an Infantry Marine on the battlefield of Iraq. Today I serve my nation with the US Air Force and Department of Defense and this career along with my experience gives me an insight into weapon platforms and performance standards you only dream of. Your comment that I should remove the flag from the back ground because I'm somehow not an American is mute - and your and idiot for making it. P.S. Learn to spell.
Jeremy McVicar
We could use more conscious debate of the acquisition of expensive weapon systems. In this day and age the power of money is so evident that we often get so caught up in our own advertising slogans and the product's delivery of promises and actual capabilities falls by the waist side. This as a concerned tax payer makes me nervous as this whole concept surrounding the F 35 is still relatively unproven.
But enough about that, much respect to American and French aviators! Beautiful machines doing beautiful flying!
Rafale is amazing, India is going for it!
r u alive or dead
The French have ben leaders in Aviation since man started flying producing many superior types their battle acumen is another matter altogether
Une vidéo que je regarde en boucle depuis 8ans. On vois aujourd'hui encore le rafale bien devant le f35 avec son standard fr3 et bientôt f4 qui va encore creuser l'écart.😜
Why do u need such heavy fighter (F35) to just launch missiles and rockets ?
Pete is currently a test pilot for Ratheon. He has been a test pilot on 111 types of aircraft. He has a military background as a British Harrier Pilot and was also an RAF test pilot. He is an expert and made an unbiased assessment of the Rafale.
Le Rafale nous permet de rester dans le peloton de tête des avionneurs mondiaux... De garder la main et le savoir faire... En plus, on a fini par en vendre. Bingo !
perfect comment dude!! love it!! glad to have them as allies!
you may see the Egyptian Rafale against israeli F-35 soon then we will know who is the best but any way f35 is 5th generation and rafale is 4++ generation but I think Rafale better
hisham sarwat you even know what diferrence between 4 and 5 generations the important difference is that f35 a far better to hit and destroy than rafale + rafale has less defense technology and its not the matter only planes the real matter is that israel pilots better than egyptians if you go to the back israel had mirages and egypt migs but migs actually were better but they got lose actually israel lost less planes in a all wars than egypt and syria in 1 war
hisham sarwat a and i forgot rafale is a shit in strike but f35 can strike + defense that what israel need for bomb objects in iran or other places
TheReal ra Why do u want a war between Israel & Egypt ?
TheReal ra Why do u want a war between Israel & Egypt ?
i dont want i want peace i want that together destroy iran and his terrrorist groups
i would love to see the transition from speed to 'standing' and landing verticaly
Rafale is much better than f35
Yup , the thing is Rafale do his job while F35 has been somehow overestimated .
Rafale Is Radar Aesa Radar new radar Powerfull radar Better American F-35
A rafale is a twin engine the F-35 is a single engine
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laurentien00, since the performance demands have been cut back, I've changed my viewpoint on what's best for Canada. I now consider it a "tossup". There's a few in the "business" that prefer the SUs for Canada due to the long legs, and designed for poor runway/cold weather performance. Eventually, the 35 will have a much better lifespan but the issues with the CF-18s doesn't leave much window. The Raffy is OK too (not against the 22 though)
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F4 for the future :D
Avec le Rafale respect s.v.p. quel chasseur magnifique vive Dassault et vive le France, c'est vraiment impressionant ce chasseur quel rapace une vraie joie de le voir se déplacer en plein ciel quel bel oiseau vive encore et bravo à tous les mécanos ingénieurs et pilotes essais.
Yes this plains are excellent figthers.
It was a very pleasant conversation and a pleasure. Have a great holiday.
et 36 rafales ready to use pour l'inde !
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en ukraine aussi c'est le peuple qui trinque , tout comme un syrie la russie cherche avant tout a proteger ses propres interets geopolitique et c'est comprehensible !
ça ne veut pas dire que c'est tolerable pour les pays europeens que poutine pietine un etat souverain tout ça parce que le peuple ukrainien a choisit de virer le toutou de poutine et veut davantage se tourner vers l'europe !
" hors les Nazillons ukrainiens sous contrôle Etat unient on décidé de Bombardé et massacré les populations russe de l'est de l'Ukraine. "
trop partisan comme avis ...c'est des separatistes pro russe qui font la guerre a l'etat ukrainien vous oublier de le preciser ça , parce que si c'etait " des populations russe" ba qu'est ce qu'il fouterai en ukraine alors ??? ils ont qu'a aller vivre en russie au pire !
quand a l'indexion de la crimée elle est illegale et le pseudo referendum est reconnu par personne dans le monde
poutine lache pas l'ukraine et viol completement l'integrité et la souveraineté de de ce pays jusque dans ces choix politiques et arme les separatistes pro russes de l'est c'est tout ce qu'il faut comprendre !
" Non Dsl il à un peut plus de testicules et aime sont peuple un peut plus que ton Flamby, et ces ministres : > "
MDR , ba il aime peut etre son peuple ( et encore il le montre mal ) mais pas certain que son peuple l'aime y'a aucune liberté d'expression en russie , les opposants politique se font buter et les riches fuit le pays pour echapper a la toute puissance de poutine
quand a la france et israel c'est de la connerie , jte rappelle que c'est le veto americain membre permanent de l'ONU qui bloque tout depuis des decennies !!!!! et que la france oeuvre pour la reconnaissance d'un etat palestinien !!!! ( ce qui arrange pas du tout israel )
+Henri Lebrun
Tu connais l'existence d'un petit livre ,lourd et un peu encombrant , nommé "dictionnaire de la langue française" ?
Of course, buy the Foch was a good business for them.
I don't know, if they finished to upgrade it yes, but the Brazilian Navy has old aircrafts.
typical americans fan boys .. they cant imagine that others "stuff" are sometimes better than theirs
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Unfortunately with the details still kept secret it's all we can do is speculate based on the known models. However, I am sure the external tanks vulnerability to radar is know and is or has been considered in the Rafale-D's design.
Rafale win easy
Interesting information. Can you show the source of it. I need a link or some details.
You the Frenchs, may be saling some of yours rafales to our Argentinian Air Force... you gave full credit when our pilots proved your super etendard and exocet missiles in the Malvinas War.
admsitio The late Pierre Clostermann, 1st french ace, had great respect for Argentinas pilots..
Gareth Whittaker
Super Etendard and Exocet proven to be very good by our Navy Pilots. There are some decent English Ships sleeping in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and several out of service. Plus, there were the Air Force guys, who was attacking the Royal Navy face to face and against all odds. Very Skilled, talented, brave and professional pilots. Ask the English who really knows the story.
Gareth Whittaker
Just 5 exocet, 1 container was sunk, 1 type 42 was sunk, 1 Carrier was hit. That is a very good performance i think, moreover, knowing that the French technicians didn't revealed the codes to the Argentinian personnel. Take it into account that such technology was never been proven before the Malvinas War. For me, that's is success and with 5 or 10 more exocets there would be another story.
Gareth Whittaker
REgarding hiding, they had to survive. Harrier was lethal with the AIM sidewinder missile. They knew it and they had to hide away from the Harrier and their professional English pilots. It was a matter of surviving. They had old skyhawks with no radar, only the plane and the bombs! even the cannyon failed. Anyway they proved to be a professional and brave air force. Against all odds they had to low fly at insane 5 mts over the atlantic at 950 km/h receiving all type of ammutition, missiles , any kind of fire. I can't even imagine that, it's scary. sorry for my english.
Gareth Whittaker If its yes or no, on or off for you, then , why to comment on anything? I rather prefered to discuss on something and giving some information. If this is no good for you, ok. I'm Argentine, i think well educated one, no drugs take part anytime of my life, so my brain cells are good i think. Our pilots, 2 of them who survived the attack against Invincible says that it was hit by 1 exocet missile and a couple of bombs from 2 skyhawks. There were 1 wing of 2 super etendards with 1 exocet missile and 1 wing of 4 A4 Skyhawks, only 2 of those 4 pilots had survived. Of course, english denied it. I trust our pilots. Must i say just sorry for that?
Interesting. Are they used by aggressor sqd for dissimilar air combat training or are they actually used as line fighters? I know the NFWS has/had a number.
raffale easily... time counts and the rafale takes less time to arm itself as its weapons are ecternally mounted the f-35 would either be to slow with weapons pre exposed or shout out before it could fire....welcome to reality...... the other reality shock to many should be that the f-35 is a replacement for the f-16 not f-18...... so no S*it the pak fa ans f-22 are better aircraft.....
When I say Sea-Typhoon would be too expensive, I say this because the structure of the Typhoon is not made for a navalized variant (not enough stable at low speed). But of course I think a Sea-Typhoon would be a better choice for UK when we see the budget of the F35 program and that is not able to land on an aircraft carrier yet.
DASSAULT RAFALE WIN...
VS THE F-22... IT ISN'T POSSIBLE
No, I was referring to the F-35 having some superior systems over the F-22. There's nothing the raffy does better than the Raptor that I'm aware of, at least air to air wise. The next gen of engines are well along in development, it will increase both T/W and the range of the F-35. Actual thrust of the F-135 is 55k (bench) 50k if you don't mind high rebuild rates and lousy gas mileage. 44k if your selling the F-35 to bean counters
Actually the US Navy does fly 40 F 16N's . They are stationed at the Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center in Fallen Nevada at the Naval Air station there. Not sure if the marines fly any at all. The Marines still fly 99 harriers as well
and although the cost of the F35 is a problem.
Let me explain:
-delays is a repetition increases the unit cost of production very significant way;
-some countries have ordered have reduced or simply canceled their orders! (netherlands, united kingdom ....);
this has the effect of further increasing unit costs (economies of scale!)
You Tube, ' The CF-105 Super Arrow (US & International Release) '. This plane won't be built. But notice that it's airframe is more similar to the Rafale?
Your welcome and it's quite understandable to be skeptical on the supercruise for the Rafale. It's actually is a source or controvers and debate in aviation community for same reasons you stated.
The Rafale is not a VLO design, in fact its airframe design has quite a large radar return.
It uses inbuilt jamming to reduce its signature. This is a problem against any modern enemy radar system. The jamming transmitter are AESA meaning they can tx on multiple frequencies with multiple wave forms at a time. With its DRFM system this can work quite well against older threat radars. Against modern, high powered AESA radars, Spectra's jamming transmitters will find themselves using....
This is another daft thread, each aircraft are designed for different things. The F 22 is an air superiority aircraft and 5th generation. The F 35 JSF is a 5th generation multi-role aircraft with STOVL capability. The F 22 is a replacement for the F 15 in the air superiority role but is incredibly expensive and in the type of engagements currently being fought against ISIS, for example, somewhat out of place. The F 35, developed by engineers from Europe and America (hence JOINT strike fighter), is the most important development in aircraft technology since the Harrier, it is multi-role, incorporates stealth technology and STOVL, it combines the F 16 and Harrier and is therefore more flexible than the F 22, but, it is immensely expensive and has encountered a great deal of technical issues in development which has delayed entry into service and discouraged purchases. The incorporation of stealth technology means it is slightly less capable in a dog fight as it is designed to excel in BVR combat with its low radar cross section.
The Rafale and Typhoon are both 4.5 generation aircraft and multi-role, they will replace the Tornado (designed as an interceptor/ground attack aircraft) and Mirage 2000/Super Etendard in French service. Both aircraft are similar as they grew out of the EF2000 programme which France was originally a part of. They are both superior to the F15/16/18 in terms of close-in combat and also have low radar cross sections to enhance their BVR capability. The Rafale and Typhoon are both faster than the F 35, more manoeuvrable, and better dog fighters but this is because they have to be. Both aircraft, to defeat a stealth capable aircraft, must close at speed and then out-turn/climb it in order to off-set the inherent advantages of stealth and BVR. In terms of ground attack both the Rafale and Typhoon are highly capable because the Typhoon is supposed to replace the Tornado GR4 and the Rafale the Super Etendard, this makes both aircraft equivalent/superior to the F-15 Strike Eagle in ground attack.
Each of these combat aircraft are highly capable but designed for different roles and cannot really be compared objectively.
Agreed. There is no way to compare these two aircraft. The F35 can take off and land on the bed of a big rig truck, it has stealth capabilities, super sonic speed, it can cruise at those speeds for extended periods of time, advanced weapons, etc... The Rafale is a cool jet and very well designed but there is a bit of a gap here. As for cost... if that is how you are judging part of these jets then you also have to consider the USA still has the largest air force. Cost is not much of an issue.
yes they have, during atlc tactical exercizes in the uae in 2009 ( the rafale scoring 5nuls and one defeat vs the raptor, which isn't so bad, given by then it wasn't fitted with it's aesa.
the gripen also has, during red flag.
as for tactics, france's radar coverage would surprize you, stealth isn't feared that much over here (we've been using it on ships and missiles for over 20 years).
the meteor is said to have a bigger range than that of the aim120.
of course, i'm only a YT "expert"...
Pourquoi quand on parle de f35 et de rafale y'a toujours un gland pour dire ''euuuuh oué euuu le f22 raptor il ai mieu hein'' je sais pas, quand j'achète un boîte de chaussures, on me force pas à acheter une voiture !
The F-35 Radar Cross Section Is More powerfull..
Hi there. Short answer is nope :) Us brits have never been ones for stealth i guess, or pure bombing.
While currently we have no stealth fighter we have received several F-35B's which shall join as an operational aircraft around 2018 or thereabouts.
Your point is very much valid now that there was a recent event leading to the production of f-35's once again. Im not fully able to understand why LMA is angry, both nations are using the jet so we should both respect it. Also f-35 > Rafale imho.
Wow!! I"m impressed...any more?... than one guy, that is? There is a good relationship between the French and US militaries. plenty of videos of Raffy touch and goes and landings from US carriers...when the De Gaulle is down for repairs...which is most of the time. Harbour queen, is the term, I believe
EL RAFALE ES EL AVION MODERNO ESTETICAMENTE MAS HERMOSO Y ELEGANTE DE SU TIEMPO...ADEMAS DE HABER SIDO PROBADO DE MANERA MUY EFECTIVA EN COMBATE POR SUS EXTRORDINARIAS CAPACIDADES ..
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The title of the video and the description contradict themselves. The term "versus" pretty much relates to an adversary in military combat aviation. You can't compare a jet built in the the later 1980's to one that is not in full active service, that's like comparing a P-51 to an F-15, it just does not make sense.
I've been doing some searching. I can't find anywhere that he's flown in the EF. His opinion is not objective, if that's the case. I found similar comments on various defence forums. I also found that he was a RAF test pilot almost 20 yrs ago. Sorry, I do find the Rafale an impressive jet, but I'm not sure that I would use him as a credible resource.
larger groups of transmitters which limits the number of frequencies it can jam. Another issue with modern threat radars is that they no longer use a predictable pattern of waveforms, pulse lengths frequency hops which is what DRFM jamming relies on to form a nulling or deceptive signal effect.
The F-35 on the other hand has both forms of stealth. Because it has a VLO airframe which will always return a signal many hundreds of times weaker than the Rafale's, the F-35 is not required to ....
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Alright dude, I want the airline that you fly for, the equipment you most commonly fly, I want you too email me you degree in engineering, and I want to know what squadron you were part of in the Navy.
So what difference does it matter to turn SPECTRA of if there was no BVR engagements?
Rafale is probably the most BEAUTIFULLY LOOKING, ELEGANT plane I've SEEN IN A LONG TIME and - moreover - gives an impression of a TREMENDOUS POWER - WONDERFUL!The other one - idk...I still haven't figured out what is this thing supposed to be?SURE AS FUCK it cannot replace NEITHER THE A-10 - NOR THE F-16.Nice video, though!
Yeah I know but in Red Flag Rafales have to turn on Spectra in passive mode for anti-air defense and there are not always awacs. But if F22 pilots ask to turn off the RBE2 radar and Spectra in ATLC and since you can't find a F22 when there are Rafale, its there is a weak point on the F22 radar that Spectra can find. It's the only thing I see. Maybe a single wave using the same frequency.
whats the bit that sticks out of the rafale?
i've never heard of any of this, so spectra can detect f22 radar, well if it can, that's great, but is it strong enough to track, aquire and shoot, all radar can be detected, but AESA is the toughest
The best jet belongs to the country that doesn't back away from a fight. And to a well trained pilot with the best situational awareness,weapons and ordinance. I read here a lot of opinions from people that are either repeating what they've read or twisted information based on personal bias. Mine included. The world is full of good and great jet fighters. I for one have a great appreciation for many of the designs. No matter the country. As I'm sure many of you do as well. Their are many new advances and many new jet fighters in the scene or about to get in on the scene. Future conflicts will determine which fighter is superior. Till then it's all speculation mostly based on personal preference or nationalism. So we don't really need to get in an argument with each other about which jet can kick the others ass. We aren't toddlers talking about our daddies. Besides it takes more than a jet fighter to win a battle or a dog fight. Their are many moving parts and a lot of support on the ground as well as in the air.
Incapable designers was what I was told by one top BAE engineers about the F35 and they were also having strong reserves about the F22. Brits said that back in 2007. Please, provide proof that "Maintenance to flight hours now the best in the USAF" or your word is not better then mine.
Does the Rafale have eo das or can it the pilot look through the plane and shoot another plane?
un vrai bijou
il est magnifique, le meilleur avion polyvalent
Officiellement on a jamais quitté l'OTAN, on avait juste quitté le commandement intégré pour ne pas être sous commandement américain. Sarko a réintégré la France à l'OTAN sous certaines conditions dont celui de garder un contrôle direct de ses troupes. Pour le reste je suis d'accord avec toi, le fait que les US vendent des avions bientôt obsolètes qui n'ont pas les dernières technologies (pour les pays hors OTAN et en dehors des EAU) n'attirent pas les clients qui cherchent la performance.
"The F-135 has NEVER been tested to 43,000 lb"
That number comes straight from P&W own website and is documented all over the place. I suggest you send them a mail to correct that number, since you were once "aviator "now turned "engineer" and actually present when they tested the engine.
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I don't know......there is a lot of stuff out there suggesting the performance of F-22 and f-35 is way over-rated. The Australians pulled out and they had close access to US tech. They are not dumbies and stated their pull out was due to bad performance.... Rafale works and has proven itself
"The Snecma M88 engine in the Dassault Rafale allows it to supercruise in dry power, even with four missiles and a 1000-liter belly tank and even in the naval version; it can supercruise up to Mach 1.4 while carrying six air-to-air missiles "Air defense mission for flotille F12." Fox Three, issue 8, and Desclaux, Jacques and Jacques Serre (2003). M88 - 2 E4: Advanced New Generation Engine for Rafale Multirole Fighter. So his statement is fact. Not from some buddy.
I know, the waves frenquencies of an AESA radar always change. The job of Spectra is to detect and examine the waves to know the position of the source. Like you said AESA radar is the toughest. What I say is just a suggestion, if a single wave has always the same frequency, very difficult to find but if with meeting or exercise for exemple Spectra can have the time to detect this single wave, it can save to the database and use it to detect F22 more easily. Like I said it's just a suggestion.
Current fighters by the USAF are 475 F 15's 1003 F 16's and 187 F 22's. The Navy and Marines have 1175 F 18's and the marines also have 99 Harriers. The USAF also has 345 A 10's. I still say the top two Air forces in the world are the USAF and the USN!
je précise que les éléments empruntés sont des "disques durs" contenant toutes les données de vol de l'avion lui meme mais aussi des évenements tiers(cibles, ennemis détectés....).
Where is the video link ?
@David Katzin - Rafale 1st flight: 1986. X-31 first flight: 1990. But please feel free to find another argument - we are on the internets after all: unlike war, you can try again as many times as you want. And unlike war, ridicule does not kill either. (Arrogant hint warning!) The only chance for the US to remain at the top will be to eat a big chunk of humble pie, carefully record the lessons learned from the mistakes of the JSF programme and hammer them on every politician, general, exec and engineer getting to work on the next big programme.
Le Gripen est un avion léger qui fait que son coût de maintenance est faible, mais ses capacités et son autonomie aussi. Le coût d'achat et de maintenance du Rafale est inférieur à celui de l'Eurofighter, et son autonomie est supérieur.
L'Inde est sur le point de signer le contrat avec Dassault, pas le consortium.
La RAAF avait constaté que le F-35 ne disposait que d'une furtivité frontale, et ses capacités sont encore très limitées.
Le F-16 peut être comparé au Mirage 2000 mais pas au Rafale.
Of course, it also depends on capacity, we don't know exactly the capacity to these missiles. We only know that the AIM120D has more range, we know that the range +100km for the Meteor is the range for wich his maximum agility is, but we don't know for AIM. We know that Meteor is faster. But for both we don't know the agility, maybe the AIM120D is as agile as the AIM120C or maybe is as agile as MICA, same for Meteor enven if I think it as agile as MICA.
Of course F22 has a very big advantage.
Sur le papier, c'est bien jolie tout ça :)... Mais ce qui fais la vraie différence, c'est le(s) type(s) qui est/sont dans le cockpit !! Après la machine en dépend un peu, mais c'est vraiment 10 à 15%...
But remember, the F-35 and F-22 are much more expensive than the beautiful Rafale because they also have stealth capabilities.
So for the given price tag, the awesome Rafale from France is the world's best fighter aircraft today.
Once more, Long Live Indo-French friendship and Thank You France from all the citizens of India.
their is just one little problem about engaging an f22 in BVR, even with the meteror, its a losing battle, the aim120d outranges the meteror and newest version of the r77, its radar out ranges the rafale, the f22 can be detected at longer ranges, but it's like a ufo sighting, somethings their, but we dont know what
I'd take both the F-22 and 35 over the Rafale. At BVR both for sure have the advantage, and at WVR the F-22 has already shown to be master in the sky, and that's using rookie pilots. People knock the F-35, but it will be a better dogfighter than people think. With its HMS combined with DAS, and DIRCM it will be a very difficult fighter to beat even at WVR.
Rafale has a perfect airframe, better than F-35. F-35 is definately more stealthier. But for future Rafale can be easily improved or slitely redesigned to meet stealth requirements. In this case having better agility (due to its airframe) and stealth shape Rafale definitely win the competition. A question is that does France plan to continue this project?
The US has 840 F-16C and 177 F-16 D models in service at this time. Those numbers should lower within the next couple of months as due to budget cuts the USAF has been forced to ground something like 17 full fighter wings ( that a shitload of aircraft btw)
Still, your main point was correct in the terms of scale compared to the Russian AF, your numbers were slightly off though.
Source - USAF F-16 fact sheet from the USAF official website.
Can send you the link if you want it.
I seen that there is 365 people who don't like this video and I hit 366 on accident which I added to 2.4 thousand because this is probably one of the baddest coolest video of all time. Pensacola FL Blue Angles Full Throttle Fan.
L'emport interne est adapté que pour un certain type de mission avec d'importante limitation (f117like), pour le quotidien il sera obligé d'utiliser les emports externes, le gain de la furtivité sera perdue. les capacités opérationnelle de l'avion sont limités par la furtivité qui le rend fragile, il est court sur patte. Les alliés auront une furtivité fortement dégradé. supériorité US oblige. si il vient en dessous des 50N le rafale le shoot en détection passive, il est fait pour ca.
Love the song "Give love" one key phrase being "We can live in harmony" immediately makes me think of weapons of war, just ironic...
I think he's talking about Christopher Niemi, a former F22 test pilot and squadron commander. But I don't have the time to search ;-) google is your friend
Hem, all the comments below me were talking about the F-22, hence my post. In out-of-visual-range engagements, the American Raptors did not even condescend to turn on their radars, remaining invisible to the Rafale's RBE2 [radar system] and Spectra [self-defense system] while precisely locating the electromagnetic waves from the French fighter - in some french aviation magazine. You are talking about some kind of agreement to use only certain missiles, which caused them to dogfight.
Le F35 est multirole donc fait aussi des missions de supériorité aérienne.
Le F22 est en service dans l'USAF et a plusieurs problèmes, le premier (et le plus grave) est ses pannes électroniques, ensuite il y a le problème d'arrivée d'oxygène, le problème de la pluie, et le problème du brouillage radar. De plus sa maintenance est tellement chère que la plupart des F22 restent cloués au sol. Aussi l'USAF l'utilise uniquement pour faire de la défense aérienne.
By telling me it has an AESA radar is just telling me ou have copied a Northrop Grumman designed radar which is in the f18E and anything newer, it is also in Russian planes now too. So the fact that you state the Rafale has it as of this year just means you are following technology not leading it. But you need to put all this new technology on a newer more modern airframe
from a completely unbiased point of view, although the rafale is and older gen it seem to pack as much punch as the mig 35 or the f22. great design of the bodywork too. theres a reason only one is still flown in combat missions today.