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Psychopathy and the Truth of the Slave Trade: America and Liverpool W/ Laurence Westgaph
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2021
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I absolutely love this interview. So much intelligence and integrity here. Thank you. I'm grateful to learn more from this historian. It is very difficult finding people who focus on facts and not an agenda. This man is such a breath of fresh air.
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*standing ovation for Laurence Westgaph* Bravo! Stunning talk!
Same for Richy 🏆
What a lovely young man. Liverpool should be so proud of him. As a scouser I’m so impressed with him . U2 Richard.
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You are doing great Richard :)
Yeah, we are great :D
That is a fabulous compassionate worthy venture xo👍🙏💖
I was wondering why there were any dislikes, lol! I just love your videos and your latest ones covering these related topics are just a joy to listen to. Yeah, on another note, it's kinda scary to acknowledge how ignorant I am and how easy it is to control a narrative.
Bless you truly
Met Lawrence.He’s a guitarist and he used to come into Dawsons music in Liverpool
He owned the Spekeland pub in edge hill and rented it out to students
Good lad he is and a good businessman
Hey please tell the secret of playing with the dogs you never know,it's really something I wanna know
Thank you both. This conversation held me gripped, curious and humbled beyond words. It spoke to truth at a time when truth is hard to find. Thank you.
I went to school with Lawrence. What an amazing person he is and is a credit to the city with his vast knowledge of slavery and how it built liverpool.
In Africa - noses, ears and limbs are still being cut off. As in North Uganda or the diamond wars eg. Sierra Leone. Crimes on humanity still go on. Psychopathy is still high. These 👆messages are so good. Thank you Richard.
Pirate John Hawkins was not the first Englishman to trade in slaves, but he was the first to run the triangular trade from Africa to the Americas and back to England, making a profit from every stop. For over 150 years the British Royal Family not only owned but monopolised the slave trade. The story is told that when Queen Elizabeth I heard that England was trading in slaves, she cried. Then she was shown the products sugar, salt, cocoa, coffee, gold, pearls, etc, being brought to England and immediately became a partner in the trade. The so-called Elizabethan period was financed with money from slavery and the slave trade.
Our continents' riches and people are always up for grabs it seems, facilitated by our corrupt and greedy politicians. Making things about the colour of your skin so we will fight amongst ourselves while they make off with the loots.
The majority of albino children in Africa are still having their bits cut off for 'muti'. Other bits are cut off for tribal practices and a lot of young adults die. Meanwhile in North Africa people are still being trafficked into slavery. In 2021.
Man's inhumanity to man.
@@mountaingirl2928 It kind of makes one aware of the connection between this and general human trafficking, for example, of children. It becomes a mindset that just carries through, that sense of entitlement.
Complete and absolutely different scale and context. You'll find psychopathic sicko's in every European country who will do sick things like this. Every country in the world actually. But the African Slave Trade was a different scale, context and concentration completely.
@@standardprocedure7017 perhaps you could do a bit of research into slavery in Russia and the cities they built with it and their social structure. Whole countries are described as Slavic for a reason. Also child sex slavery in the likes of Thailand, Philippines, Middle East to this very day. If you want a good look at slavery on grand scales and the depths of cruelty your looking in the wrong direction when you are looking at Britain and America.
Brilliant !!! Another quality product by Richard Grannon. Truth is far from what humanity has been “ fed”
Absolute
Wow...YOU Sir are REALLY growing & evolving at lightening speed & the world needs this..greetings from black Germany🙏🏾🙏🏾👍🏽👏🏽🙌🏾❤❤❤🖤🖤🖤
100% agree. No body is coming to save you. That resonated in the core.of my being. I am grateful.
Its actually a liberating, empowering realization to come to once accepted
Laurence has a brilliant mind! Fantastic conversation gents
He certainly deserves his PhD !
Thank you , this is good stuff . We need more discussions like this to educate us . Knowing human psychology can’t be done in proper sense without looking at history with an honest humble eye.
Omg Richard this blows me away. Love, love, love. Why isn’t History taught like this? This guy is amazing and profound. Screen play.. how wonderful! I would love to perform in his production.
I absolutely love this and I'm only 33 min in. You are right, this man has a granular knowledge of slavery and I can barely keep up. Richard, you've done an excellent job and I love watching a historian so passionate about his field. Not to mention, this gentleman's personal history is fascinating. I love the pride he has in his heritage and the legacy he is leaving for himself and the true altruism in him. It's often said "the times were different then" to defend atrocities, or to make hatred a more palatable conception, but it is impossible to imagine the attitudes -- from cavalier to demonic-- that would allow for this institution to take root. They treated their animals far better. The reach of the trauma is so disturbing and difficult to imagine.
Aw I went to school with his sister. He's very knowledgable on his subject and an asset to Liverpool
A lot to digest.. I appreciate the fresh and honest talk mr. Westgraph brings
Pirate John Hawkins was not the first Englishman to trade in slaves, but he was the first to run the triangular trade from Africa to the Americas and back to England, making a profit from every stop. For over 150 years the British Royal Family not only owned but monopolised the slave trade. The story is told that when Queen Elizabeth I heard that England was trading in slaves, she cried. Then she was shown the products sugar, salt, cocoa, coffee, gold, pearls, etc, being brought to England and immediately became a partner in the trade. The so-called Elizabethan period was financed with money from slavery and the slave trade.
@@mountaingirl2928 thank you for your informative and well thought out response.. btw I love reading up and learning about pirate culture 👍
Hey please tell the secret of playing with the dogs you never know,it's really something I wanna know
Fantastic interview, fascinating guy! I could listen to this type of content all day long. Thanks, Richard!
The irony of the word slave is that it has origins in the word "slav" that is related to Slavic white people from eastern Europe and Balkans like me.
That's not important to the people in control. It would make people hate each other less if the whole truth got out
@Anglo. Inc I think it's the second one. Unknown people
@Anglo. Inc oh so the white man is the victim ?
@@gigiarmany4332 yes, as much as any other race.
In the Caribbean the British bought black slaves and brought them over from Africa because the British 'volunteers' only lived for two weeks as their immune systems couldn't cope with the viruses in that area and they couldn't cope with the heat. As few people know, the British were the second last country to join the Empire building race. For them it was a race for survival, had they not done so Britain would have fallen into Spanish subjugation. They were at war with Spain for survival and copied what the Spanish were doing empire building wise to beat them at their own game. It was the Spanish who were the first to import African slaves to the Caribbean and the British copied them because they couldn't get their own sugar plantations up and running when the British workers died almost as soon as they arrived. Because people's historical knowledge is so poor the British Empire gets blamed for atrocities committed by the Spanish, French, Dutch and Germans. Once the British established their global authority they banned slavery globally. They sailed around the world in their little wooden sail boats to uphold that law - it cost so much that the British are still paying for it in their taxes. Yet the British Empire never gets any credit for it. There have been many empires in the course of history, all of them employed slaves, but the British Empire was the only empire in history to ban slavery. China, India, Russia and Africa all have thousands of years of history of slavery built into their culture and social structure yet historical African - American slavery is the only one ever discussed. Slavery is very much alive in North Africa and Asia today - why is it only historical slavery that is being discussed? Surely we should be tackling what is happening now?
I’ve throughly enjoyed this interview with soon to be Dr. Lawrence Westgaph!
My husband and I vacation in The UK primarily for the wealth of history, architecture, museums and Somerset England is where my husband’s ancestors came from just a few generations ago. My husbands great great great grandfather was a schoolteacher and one of his sons following in his footsteps became a teacher. They settled in a part of Canada which borders the United States and was a significant entry point for run away slaves seeking freedom in the North. One of these two teachers taught the children of run away slaves to read and write. This is a proud part of family history for us!
I’d love to take one of Lawrence’s Liverpool street tours next time we’re over!
Richard Grannon please include a link to his street tours.
U did a fine job interviewing! ❤️🇨🇦❤️
Absolutely fascinating. Lawrence tells the stories/history so well. Thank you Richard for the interview.
Our society needs to have these conversations. Thanks Richard!
Excellent interview with a very relatable no nonsense historian. Really well done.
Many many male slaves were taken from Ireland on slave ships to the West Indies. The trade went both ways. There are many movies on the slave trade and holocaust, but none on the 800 year decimation of a country.
yes.....and Scotland...no one speaks of the white slavery which was happening at the same time.
yes, no one talks about white slavery that was happening for 1000s of years prior to black slavery.
yes many white Irish males were taken away in slave ships from Ireland.
women and children for millennium were considered property.. just like cattle.
Yes I think Irish Americans have the same collective trauma from their escape from enforced famine and then treatment as indentured servants.
@@juliettailor1616 i was not aware of irish immigrant issues after arriving in this country until about 7 yrs ago. caring for "Aunt" Florence. born here in 1926 of english, german descent. she remembers as a child seeing signs everywhere.. well not to offend anyone.. "blacks", irish need not apply. or no "blacks" or irish allowed. big signs. awful. only jobs both blacks and irish could get were building the railroads. (this was in Brooklyn, NY). her family nearly disowned her when she married an irish cop. back then in the late 40s, 50s people still seldom married outside their nationality, or faith, or race or class. people did but were ostracized.
my own mother born in wartorn Austria under Hitler was not accepted by my father's italian family when he married her while stationed there. they married 3x. by the church in Austria, by my father's Captain and then again here in the states.
@@lillydimartino6834 But they will never make any films about the Irish.
Richard, I would love to see a show that looks into what the backgrounds were of the slave traders - what did their parents and grandparents go through that produced such narcissists. History tends not to go deep on the psychology of history.
One way that I approach this is, by reading historical novels (such as "Sacred Hunger", which I haven't managed to read yet but hope to in the future) and watching historical movies such as "Amazing Grace" (about William Wilberforce, one of the main MPs who worked to end the slave trade), Poldark (which has a character who is fighting the exploitation of the slave trade), etc. Just my 2 cents.
@@Treebard Thank you - I will definitely check those out.
Pirate John Hawkins was not the first Englishman to trade in slaves, but he was the first to run the triangular trade from Africa to the Americas and back to England, making a profit from every stop. For over 150 years the British Royal Family not only owned but monopolised the slave trade. The story is told that when Queen Elizabeth I heard that England was trading in slaves, she cried. Then she was shown the products sugar, salt, cocoa, coffee, gold, pearls, etc, being brought to England and immediately became a partner in the trade. The so-called Elizabethan period was financed with money from slavery and the slave trade.
The Queen inheritance if billions from the Slave trade but who will speak the truth! Chiefs of Africaa had Slaves n he sold them. Truth needs to be told. Average human had nothing to do with slaves it was the RICH FARMERS LAND OWNERS
Check out “Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome” and go from there
Is this the beginning of the Richard Grannon Podcast?? I hope so! Excellent interview really interesting informative.
WOW. Thanks for this massiv bunch of authentic, necessary, important and therefore good knowledge.
As a mixture of various different "colours", I´m very grate- and thankful for any authentic information and real content. 👍🏾
Thank you.🙏🏾
Very much like the interview format and the environment you've created. Look forward to continuing watching.
Such a great discussion. Let us not forget number of slaves in the world today range from around 38 million to 46 million. Just because there are laws in most countries doesn't mean slaves are not be held captive and forced to work there. Then there are countries like Libya where they have open slave markets just a few years ago if not still today.
I'm surprised your comment isn't getting a stronger reaction. I think the CURRENT issues of slavery and human trafficking deserve a lot more attention. There's nothing we can do about the past, but it's good to learn from it to make positive changes in the present!
@@jessicadora7213 Thanks Jessica - I wrote this comment to highlight the point when Richard was asking what these people say to themselves to justify participating in the slave market that its really more about accepting some people are plain evil - they were then and they are today. No conscious or guilt - just the drive to make money without regard to the damage it creates to others or the environment.
spot on! advances in psychoanalysis have exposed so many of our leaders as narcissists and so many of the rest as codependents through the ages
On point 🏹🎯
Totally
This is a fantastic conversation. Thanks Mr. Grannon! Thank you!
Just because something is made illegal on paper doesn't mean that it doesn't continue. It just becomes more insidious. Now, the targets are blamed for their circumstances because on the surface there is "so much opportunity".
So glad uv put this here for free x
This was incredibly informative. I’m an American southerner, so learning about Liverpool’s support of the confederacy was mind bending! Wow! Starting over from the beginning to absorb more of this incredible history. Thank you both so much for sharing.
Thank you so much for this breath taking conversation. I am from Haiti and was hoping to hear more about that segment of history as it was the first successful black rebellion. Those who led that revolution continued slavery beyond the revolution against the Europeans. So the idea that European are the only ones to blame is such a farce. Thank you to L. Westgaph and Richard Grannon you are absolutely brilliant to put this together.
did the Haitian slave owners get involved in the slave trading involving Sierra Leone?
Totally logical merging of topics. I've always felt like the slave owning history on my dad's side of the family played a role in my dad (and his dad's) narcissism. My dad operates like he owns the people around him, and WHERE MIGHT THAT COME FROM? It's nearly impossible to divorce my family's history from the history of my country. The parallels and interplay can be striking.
Absolutely horrifying but inlightning and very important to bring to the light! Thank you and great job to both of you 🙏🌹
*enlightening
@@xanderdickinson Thank you. I will scream at the autocorrect immediately ☺️
Amazing guy, he should press forward with uncovering history of slave trade in every way possible - movies, documentaries, everything
Yes, breed more hate. Sounds good
@@lance1097 Neither Laurence Westgaph , nor Richard Grannon showed any hate. Nor the whole broadcast did. But educated we have all become for sure. Something as large as slave trade in Britain has all of a sudden been revealed. And how, by such an amazing brilliant and eloquent voice, and a wonderful soul as Laurence Westgaph. Just having it heard it from him makes it an unforgettable experience. If you listened you‘d have noticed that there was not a single note of resentment emanating from him, let alone hate. And we can‘t help but admit that all of human beings that fell victims to the slave trade deserve recognition and acknowledgment. As well as society and nation at large must have this past in its collective memory and revisit its identity anew. Things like these should not be whitewashed.
Pirate John Hawkins was not the first Englishman to trade in slaves, but he was the first to run the triangular trade from Africa to the Americas and back to England, making a profit from every stop. For over 150 years the British Royal Family not only owned but monopolised the slave trade. The story is told that when Queen Elizabeth I heard that England was trading in slaves, she cried. Then she was shown the products sugar, salt, cocoa, coffee, gold, pearls, etc, being brought to England and immediately became a partner in the trade. The so-called Elizabethan period was financed with money from slavery and the slave trade.
This was extremely educational. Thank you to both Richard and Laurence.
Excellent conversation, lads. I recommend the work of Dr Tony Martin, a West Indian from Trinidad and Tobago. A Professor of African studies. He's done some great work on the West Coast African slave trade. Of course he's been smeared for it. Hard truths for some.
I thought I was historically literate especially with respect to the slave trade, but have learned so much. Thank you for this brilliant honest interview and both your work.
The general population's incredibly, naive attitude, is very irritating.
@Anglo. Inc I should add that the evil that these sick people inflict begins in the home, in the neighborhood, and it's precisely there that these sick people need to be stopped and confronted.
@@JuanTorres-ny9ff How very true ... wish it's possible to do so... not just challenging them, but also healing whatever is healable, because I believe that only healthy mind can bring any sustainable change...guiltifying and punishing already mentally health deprived people hasn't brought any changes in society so far, on the contrary, more and more narcs and psychopaths become every day occurrence in every field of life unfortunately... We need mentally sound people who can be a good example and lead everyone to light, love, understanding, abilities to see all sides existing and mutual respect. Sounds easy, but it isn't...maybe because usually the victims are those who seek any healing and the perpetrators usually avoid it...
Very.
You are the general population.
@@slavenanikolova6260 yeah..a lot of individuals also don't either know how much they need help, choose denial and or are silenced and don't develop skills to speak up and out...often dysfunctional family members find it too painful also to look deeper.
Absolutely up to individuals to get help and in cases be admitted to an institution via family or authority.
Thanks for hosting this conversation Richard. I'll be honest, I found some of your previous statements about police brutality in the U.S. concerning because I felt they kind of wrote off the issue as just a matter of over zealous false outrage. The issue isn't that brutality is relatively rare compared to the amount of interactions civilians have with law enforcement. The issue is that when brutality does happen (and by the way, it shouldn't), it disproportionately affects blacks more than anyone else. That said this was such a good conversation. I feel like it should be shown in every classroom and workplace for anyone who isn't fully aware of the history.
Good intervieuw gentlemen. Never too old to learn the truth. History is not what we were told. All the veils are lifted. And that is painful but good. Thanks.💜🙏👍
I agree, you're never too old to learn, however painful it may be
Richie! It's great to see you after so long 😄🙏
Great conversation, enjoyed hearing from Lawrence.
Fascinating! Will return to watch and listen a little at a time. Thanks, Richard, for presenting this eye-opening narrative of history. Laurence Westgaph is a gem. Had to quit at 15:15 but shall return for more soon.
So proud of my African roots being born in Brazil. Africa is my home: my grandma was black and my granpa was Portuguese. I love being Afro Brazilian. Best wishes from Brazil.
i thought you were back home as i have noticed your ascent has got stronger,,lol,, love ya
New Production SO good 👍👍 (content absolutely on point as always of course!)
Excellent interview!
I'm excited for part 2!
Richard, this is your best work yet, and given the quality of your body of work (including your brilliant work with Pierre XO), that's a big statement. Thank you.
Good luck Richard, you have helped save me and 10s of thousands of people. Thank you ❤️
You are so fascinating as I’ve been following you since 2016. I see the direct relationship with history and the formation of the narcissistic agenda. Truth is paramount ...bring it all to light! So much appreciation for your courageous in bringing this up! Anytime this is talked about there will always be people who minimize the truth of the horrific history of the African - trans Atlantic slave trade. It is always compared to indentured servitude and the Holocaust. Racism and hate against Africa still exists until this day. It’s a shame that black life is still viewed as less important. Richard is right! When people feel guilty so it increases aggression. No one wants to hear the truth...documented truth, it breeds anger from guilt.
An amazing conversation-interview which I never tire of listening to. The breath of Lawrence's knowledge, along with his humanity is truly humbling. ❤
Just starting the podcast, I don't know if the left/right audio separation for voices is intentional, but props to the upgrade in production value.
I liked and shared a couple places, truth is always needed.
Oh, I loved this! Thank you Richard & Laurence for such an insightful chat. I knew a fair bit already about the history of slavery pertaining to the UK, I just learned so much more. Can't wait for part 2! 🇬🇧🇮🇪🇯🇲
Thank you for this fascinating interview. No doubt history repeats because it’s never been understood.
Exactly
Learned more from this podcast than 5 years of history in school. Fascinating. Thankyou both!
Hello Richard . Great channel and content! 👍💯
If you look back at the infancy of our thinking prior to the 20th century, while there might have been philosophy there was little in the way of early childhood or other various forms of psychology. The town square in Europe had often been where spectacles such as hangings and executions of all kinds would take place. Life was brutal.
Facinating interview. You're a natural.
And this was how the New Worlds of the Americas and elsewhere were started, with this spectacle of public hangings, by the British at least. 200+ in Van Diemans Land/ Tasmania, when its population was 1,000s only.
Best content yet! Your guest is a wonderful speaker. Thanks
Much needed discussion I was wondering isn't racism just a type of narcissism??? Racism is an ample source of narcissistic supply.
YES
This was interesting and enlightening. I hope to hear more from this guy in the future. He has a very refreshing take on things and I like it.
White guy here, TBH I avoided the whole BLM educate yourself trend of the last year or so, partly because I saw a lot of my fellow whiteys displaying a lot of virtue signalling around it. But this interview is utterly compelling, and eye opening. Thanks Laurence and Richard for this.
this is hands down one of the most enlightening videos ive seen on youtube ever.
Amazing statistics that the slavery in the US represented only 4% of slave trading. It was difficult to listen to the horrors human beings were subjected to. Sadly greed for money and power rules the world.
A thoroughly informative interview / interaction. I'm from Guyana so I already know about our and Caribbean history of slavery, but did not know about Liverpool's part in it. Also did not know that Irish people were sold.
Please do a part 2 interview with him. This is so interesting.
Yes, Irish slavery . . . both at the start of the Americas story and at the end, in Tasmania as convicts in the early 1800s . . . freely chosen by free settlers and subject to cruel discipline by Magistrate friends to free settlers when non-compliant . . .
Brilliant interview/discussion. Thank you Richard and Laurence for taking the time to produce this and then bomb it out for free :)
One of the most informative interviews I've watched on RUclips. Laurence Westgaph is captivating in his delivery of historical facts regarding the worldwide slave trade, in particular Liverpool's historic role, and the complex interrelationship between the practice of slavery and the concepts of racism. Excellent: Do not tear down history, add to and build upon our knowledge of the past. Only way to avoid repeating mistakes. I look forward to hearing much more from this highly accomplished and engaging scholar. Looking forward to the post-PhD screenplays/films in the coming years, as well!
@@lance1097 Your question suggests you did not watch/listen to the interview... He did discuss the various economic factors driving the centuries long worldwide trade.
@@jessicadora7213 lol. Ok.
@@lance1097 Human trafficking is currently ongoing, and is an issue about which I have sincere concerns. Slavery has gone Waaayyyyy underground and primarily affects women, children and economically disadvantaged peoples. I stay constantly vigilant for opportunities to stem the tide of human trafficking in my own community. This is an issue of great concern to me, and I wish it were to everyone. Human slavery of all kind is wrong, and needs to be called out and stopped. Yes, it is powerful, narcissistic, disturbed people with MONEY who perpetuate this terrible practice which steals away human rights and destroys lives. I appreciate these two men for shedding light on a historical problem which continues to this day.
@@jessicadora7213 true. Many bad things are going on today that are ignored because we're spending all our time talking about black slaves from hundreds of years ago, while children of all races are being abducted and enslaved today. You don't hear about that because it doesn't serve the agenda of making races hate each other like talking about whites owning black slaves
@@lance1097 I do NOT believe that bad things are going on today BECAUSE we address the history of slavery. You're assigning a causal relationship without evidence. Perhaps a better understanding of history can INCREASE awareness of modern day slavery, thereby inspiring people to do something about the current problem.
well done lads this was a great chat
Yeeeey I actually wrote a comment a couple of years ago exactly on this topic on your channel. Glad it’s being discussed
Great idea about changing the statue description, or updating it. And put a new statue up next to the old one that is more enlightened and honors the people that were exploited.
Wow Richard!!! You are amazing! Your work is brilliant and soooo much needed. Thank you ❤️🙏
Wow, what a topic, and it brings sooo much up to the boil for me! I used to live outside of Bordeaux, France, which also has a huge history of slave trade. After the city was voted in for the UNESCO world heritage in 2007 (!!!) due to its outstanding historical architectural unity... many voices pointed to the origin of this "outstanding" development. At least 150.000 slaves transited through this port, and today's big fortunes, with their fancy "châteaux", or wine estates, would not be there without it. Those people run the business still. By 2007, practically no mention of this inglorious part of history was to be found in any guides or museums of Bordeaux. It's very inconvenient to be reminded of where our wealth came from, and to this day, comes from.
A second point (and I'm only half way through this interview) it brings up for me is the question of racism US/GB: in the US slaves were directly exploited and treated in the ways you describe. Laws were shot out of every asshole of legislature to ensure that cruelty towards them was legal, which was not the case in England - but England, the Empire was hugely involved in mistreating and underdogging entire populations elsewhere, during the entire colonial period. I am wondering if that somehow made it possible, psycholocally, to maintain a mask of human decency in the motherland? It's a question, I'm really wondering if there is a link. There was no direct confrontation. Stiff upper lip, and would you like some sugar with that, Dear? It just doesn't go well with floggings outside your window.
And just the other day I watched a documentary on the Knights Templar. My knowledge of the crusades is really basic, but it seemed to me they were a first step paving the way to everything discussed in this interview. As you mentioned the "Christian" dilemma in all of this, I fail to see (and will likely never understand...) how European "crusaders" marching into Jerusalem to kill non Christians and claim to be the guardians of Jesus's teachings (of peace and love 🙄🤒🤔), killing 100s of thousands over time, can still not be seen as crimes against humanity. These crimes, though, are the foundations of our "Christian" morals.
And now present day Germany, where we employ cheap labor from varying countries, to do the dirty work under conditions that no "civilised" person would accept. Failing to see that this system still provides us with the wealth we are able to maintain. It's the same processes at work, and we always look away. The world obviously needs therapy, man, this narcissistic abuse and codependent shit has been going on for so long 😂😭.
Thank you, love the interview, and I am glad that you guys can keep your calm with all of this information. I've felt slightly triggered.. Be well, and keep it coming 😘
Thanks for your ideas and making those connections.
@@Treebard this interview is highly instrumental in the connecting-the-dots process 😉
A great interview and so educational. I wasn't aware of alot of it, even the Irish in Bristol, I was not aware of. We need the truth always as painful as it may be.
Great guest...great topic...keep dropping the knowledge...Thank you.
Well done! Hard truths to hear. I especially appreciate the candid nature of the discussion. Please do more of these. We all need to see these horrible acts as exploitation of power and race is brought in to justify the injustice! It is difficult to hear humans have done this to each other. Working to change my part of the world.
Your own country men were mutilated and blown to pieces in their millions along with their German counterparts when their bodies were no longer needed for the steel industry You think that was about defending borders?
Thank you both so much for this ❤️
Awesome! Beautiful content, host and guest. Thank you for sharing.💐💐
This sent chills up my spine... Thank you for the education... Im on board to stand up too narcissists.
Im blown away by this, and will have to rewatch. By far the best and most heartfelt and connected historian account I've ever heard, much of this research is completely unknown to me. The best thing Ive watched in many years
This was a super interesting and fascinating episode, Richard! Thank you so much and special thanks to Lawrence Westgaph.
A fantastic discussion, thanks!
I will be directing my fellow Americans to a link to this talk. Fascinating and disturbing.
Fascinating, thank you so much
Fascinating conversation. Very illuminating
Thank you both very much for sharing this information with us. It is difficult to hear but the value in the historical record being discussed is immense. And humbling. Extremely humbling.
Congratulations for your brilliant view of trauma. Two great minds.
Just booked the walk for Sunday... can’t wait...
I would love to do that. Hope to visit Liverpool one day! Now I'm inspired to learn more about it's history, in general.
Fantastic conversation
Really enjoyed hearing this conversation. Thank you
You're a natural at this format. 👏🏻
Absolutely brilliant interview
Thanks Richard and Laurence. This debate has huge value and it will inform and inspire people to look past the damaging myths and fake news, both of which are not a recent phenomena.
As an American I found this so interesting. Had no idea we had so few slaves compared to other countries and that the trade had been going on for so long. I have always wondered about the Africans who sold their own people - but this happened with whites as well. Many in Canada and US historically were sold as indentured servants (aka slaves) by their own families or from abduction. Makes one wonder about humankind and karma etc.
"indentured servants (aka slaves)" - there is a difference, "indentured servants" had a set time term usually 7 years, "chattel slavery" was perpetual/generational. The U.S. imported relatively fewer slaves on a percentage basis but 4% of tens of millions is a lot in absolute terms. Plus, importing became less necessary because the U.S. became most engaged in generational slavery. The critical mass number of slaves in the U.S. was higher than the number of free people in early U.S. history.
@@postmodgent1499 Thank you - good point. This makes more sense to use absolute terms. They were seen as less disposable here then; it was seen as economical to have generational slavery rather than to buy new. I am still interested in the white people who ended up being sold as slaves - not indentured servants. White slaves - and young women sold as wives too. It is hard to believe this was so acceptable - and not long ago.
Thank you Laurence, this was so enlightening. Although heartbreaking to hear let alone comprehend your brilliance in telling this history is invaluable.
Please come back and tell us more.
There is very little humanity in humanity!
WOW! I totally went on a trip through real history during your conversation. Our fake school taught history has too many loose ends. I feel like I reconnected with myself from the past. My grandpa was a good story teller, been through 2 wars, risked his life to bring his young family to Canada "the promised land" Now everything is crumbling but, he's the reason I'm here. We all have an individual history. That's the coolest part. I get to know who I am & how I got here
My father was a history teacher of mostly African American descent who taught African American History at a high school and told me about this; though I didn't believe him since it wasn't taught in our history class at my HS.
Only in college did I hear about this in a world history course and even then it was too terrible to believe...
Wow this was just excellent, and I learned so much!! Please do bring on Laurence again!!