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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- When you are offered the once in a lifetime opportunity to drive a contemporary Formula 1 car at Spa-Francorchamps on the same weekend as the Belgium Grand Prix you don't say no.
Which is why evo's Deputy Editor, Adam Towler, found himself driving to Spa in August. Watch what happened here and pick up a copy of evo issue 267 to read the full story. Buy you copy here:
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Over 600hp and more torque than the original V8 F1 engine are wicked ciphers for an inline 4 banger. What an incredible machine, even if it's not a 100% competition ready F1 car
Well the torque statement is a bit of a truth with modification. The turbo engine will only rev half as much as the F1 engine, which means you can effectively have a 2:1 gear ratio on the F1 compared to this, which means that the normal ~350Nm on the F1 translates to 700Nm when you take the different gearing into account.
Until you consider the original engine had a powerband that was about 1500RPM wide and this engine probably has one that is 4500RPM wide so the area under the curve and effective work it can produce over a given period of time is way, way more. I used to work on the engine that was originally used by Marussia in this car and I've seen the car in the video above on circuit as well as some times and data from it. It's quicker than the original car in a lot of situations. I'd liken its corner exit pace to that of the 2013 car with the KERS on full deploy.
@@grahamjefferson7143 Well I do not have any experience with these cars, its just that when you say that this engine has much more torque it sounds impressive, but it doesnt say much unless you also compare the revs, powerband and ultimate horsepower. A VW Golf TDI has more torque nowadays than an F1 engine. That you have to keep in a tight band on the F1 NA cars is part of the sport and separates the champions from the rest, having too flexible of an engine takes the hard and fun part out of it.
I feel sorry for the people that are unable to appreciate an experience like this, to me this is what life is all about and if you can't enjoy driving a car in the extreme like this you are missing out on so much. Looked like an absolute blast mate!
I’ve done it. It’s incredible
@@Mpayne1472 How did you do it?
Wait, so you are saying that I can get a contemporary, modified F1 car for the price of a Bugatti Chiron? Sounds like a bargain to me!
the chiron costs 3M,so its half the price :D
Driving the worst F1 car that was on the grid that year is not a bargain.
Blame the worst f1 car on the grid is still massively faster than anything else
Blame like you'd have the opportunity to get close to anything else but a backmarker
@@waty0usay1 As if it would make a difference to regular people whether they drove a Ferrari or a Marussia.
Driver should’ve yelled: GP2 engine, GP2 engine
Rest in Peace Anthoine Hubert
I wouldn't mind if it had a golf tdi engine, I bet my life it is an amazing experience anyway
Having seen this car in person and the level of engineering and development deployed to create it all I can say is "wow". It's a bargain, it really is. There is no compromise in any of it and the engineering side of it would make a brilliant serious of videos on it's own. Come on those behind it, give us what we want and do an engineering video on it. It will help the layman understand quite what a thing this is!
My company in Sweden owns 1 TDF1 and we rent it out to rich guys companies. Almost payed it off now and I now have a free 690 HP f1 car. We will buy a new chassis this year from the Haas VF21 and hopefully 3 years from now we can get a Dallara Vf22 chassis for the new era.
That livery is Marrussia F1 car. I love their livery very much but since Jules bought them points after monaco. I was really happy they finally got it before soon fading away
This will be a day to remember for very long, congrats to the owner to for this beauty of toy
Bumble Bees with chain saws on the straight aways! Beautiful ! RIP Anthoine Hubert. Epic video!
What an amazing opportunity! You should be proud of being able to give it a go at a great pace without incident!
What's with the whining about it being a turbo I4? Really? The power to weight ratio is still OFF THE CHARTS and you have to have some serious balls just to be able to drive it hard enough to warm it up, let alone give it the beans. Having driven a Corvette Z06 around a track, I can only imagine the high Adam is feeling after that. Amazing job!!
For me, it's the sound and lower redline; that's the best part of those cars. The I4 is like a perfect body with an average face.
All the other ones may keep on rambling about how you didn't go flat at
Eau Rouge or how bad the 4-pot sounds... But I don't care! Get back to video business Evo. eCoty(s) used to be so good on video. This video was great, keep it on! Proud to be a subscriber to the best driver's mag in the business.
Tesla's Secret Another thing... they say 3,000km annually is achievable now with these motors, but the new hybrid motors in F1 are good for 7,500. Obviously probably 100x the money, but 3,000 isn’t that much.
@@willywillywillywillywilly Very good point. I do wonder what they mean by "good for 3000km annually". If that means an upper engine servicing then you're good to go again it sort of sounds alright. The catch here is the price. I understand that one still needs a team at the track, which is the main hassle with these cars in my mind, just a smaller one. Sounds good, but if I were breathing the rarefied air of the extremely rich wouldn't I be tempted to shell half more and have a fuller, more noble engine powering my adrenaline? These people do know their potential buyers more than I do however.
@@TeslasSecret What about the F1-ish Lotus you could buy that came with a Jean Alesi?
@@JulesVermeij 😂 Yes that seemed cooler to me. Cosworth V8 too, and around the same mileage before servicing if not more. Much less expensive as well. Did they sell any though?
@@TeslasSecret You're right, I just looked it up. No idea if they sold any, but at face value it looks like a better deal to me! That thing is plenty fast, and that Cosworth engine, dat sexy Lotus livery. I mean, come on.
I bet 183mph felt like 2000 sitting that close to the floor. Good work!
I can sympathize that the Cosworth engine must be insanely difficult and expensive to maintain, but really the only reason I would want an old F1 car is the noise and high redline.
Yeah same thats what makes it so great
Well, that was a misleading title.
It isn’t though....
No it wasn't
Fantastic! what a first open wheeler drive, F1 car at Spa.
You must be gutted that they cut the drive short.
Well done for keeping it on the track.
Well, its better than spending that money on a Bugatti.
Wow what a treat, I would imagine that would really take it out of you physically .
Great video.
Sorry, you lost me at turbocharged inline 4. Long live the Goodwood Festival of Speed for proper F1 sounds.
Inline 4 turbos are a big part of the Goodwood Festival of Speed.
Not really. Granted there have been the odd few in F1, but no-one thinks that a i4 was the pinnacle of F1 and lusts for them like a high revving N/A engine.
collyersam F1 cars aren’t the bulk of the cars at the FOS.
@@collyersam The most powerful F1 car in history was powered by a BMW turbocharged 1,5 litre inline 4. That no one lusts after this car, is the same as saying no one lusts after the inline 4 turbocharged, supercharged, or turbocharged AND supercharged inline 4's of the Group B era in rallying.
Normally aspirated inline 4's are also among the most lusted after engines, these include Cosworths BDA, and following engines. And the BMW S14 engine found in the BMW M3 E30.
The group A era in rallying and racing was inline 4. Would you say no to a Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500? What about a Lancia Delta HF Integrale EVO II, "Deltona."?
Or what about the inline 4 Mercedes-Benz and BMW models from the glory days of the DTM?
My comments have been about F1 here, not other forms of motorsport. Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle, even Sebastian Vettel wants the V12's back after his recent radio comment in the Russian GP. From memory the earlier 80's Turbo F1 cars were not regulated in boost and the peak quali trim engine power was claimed; impressive none the less and a good era for F1. One I enjoyed watching, but the engines still sounded rubbish though IMHO. As a regular visitor to FOS, send an 80's turbo i4 Brabham BT52 up the hillclimb and it won't turn as many heads, as say a V8 Williams FW08 from the same era. However a 90's V12 Ferrari 412 T2 would blow both into the weeds.
Once in a lifetime experience you endured it was worth it . Awesome video.
Pretty obvious that most commenters have never ever tried to run any sort of motorsports on their own dime before. A proper F1 car, maintained and run in its designed state, could _easily_ bankrupt a multi-millionaire just trying to dabble in a hobby. They are EXPENSIVE!!! That developed F2 engine (old VW/Audi 1.8T, yay! Had one on my old MkIV GTI ;) obviously with way less power lol) is a serious bit of kit with a lot of racing pedigree; less power and revs than the F1 V8, sure, but so much torque. This Marussia with a developed F2 engine may be more "F1.5" than F1, but even an F3 car is flippin' quick and this is WAY faster than that!
The 1.8T Volkswagen engine, never thought they were any use
@@Shane-zx4ps They're 400+ HP and 8000 RPM reliable on all-stock internals; one of the most overbuilt engines ever made!
Taking away the V8 is like taking away the soul
You have to understand that back in the day formula 1 teams were just a couple dozen guys or even less than that. In the nineties teams had about a 100 people, now they are well over 400 people for a top team like Ferrari, Mercedes or Red Bull.
To start a modern day formula one engine you have a protocol that includes a procedure to preheat the engine and you have to do it from the day before, it takes a long time. It is not plug and play anymore. It is so complex that if you touch the wrong button you can shut it down and to get it going again you need to reboot it and that also takes a while.
A turbo inline 4 engine was used in the past in formula 1, with BMW developing one engine that had about 1000 HP and won the world championship with Nelson Piquet.
I believe Formula 1 should have the option of having different engine applications which would allow to develop different engines. One could be a 2 liter turbo inline 4 with no electric assitance that would be so much cost effective and even more reliable and powerful than the curren 1.6 liter hybrid turbo v6 engines which are a nightmare logistically.
Just remember a few weeks ago Sebastian Vettel crying on the radio asking for the v12 engines to come back. That could also be an option normal aspirated v8 or v10 or v12 with restrictions on displacement and engine speeds competing with others. That would be awesome the sound of those engines were amazing.
That's Raddion actually...
*Raidillon
If it doesn't have an F1 engine then it's not an F1 car. End of story.
Replace F1 with any car brand in that sentence right?
People do motor swaps on things all the time, especially when the old motor has become obsolete by newer, better, usually cheaper and easier to access motors.
I think some F1 cars belong to stay original, but that means that once they hit an age they go into a museum and sit there, that's not what a cars built for. It's built to race.
I'd rather someone takes the F1 cars from mid-field or rear of the grid and races them
If I’m filthy rich, I will paint those thing with a RedBull matte color.
Or maybe get the Lotus T125.
@@visveshnarayan7964 a man of culture I see
Same
*You guys have the best job in the world!!*
I get the cost cutting but it really should be kept original for the full F1 experience.
Then you don't actually get it. Would you be the one to pay a team of engineers and mechanics to maintain that F1 engine? Neither doed the real owner
Yoseob Yang I said, ‘I get the cost cutting’. So yes I do understand, it’s a shame that because of the extortionate costs that it can’t run in it’s original spec. You div.
Daniel Brown Honestly, a propper F1 car would cost millions to run. You can get this experience at Ferrari Clienti for example.
In this case, it‘s scaled down a little to stop it beeing earsbleeding expensive 😁
iSimon U. Yep, I do know.
iSimon U. I'll bet it still costs an arm and 3 legs to take it for a spin...
I think that for an high end amateur , an ex LMP2 / LMP3 or that kind of car with an LS/LT V8 or even a Viper V10 may be both simpler and faster (not to mention relatively cheaper)
Inline 4? Does it also play amplified engine sounds through the speakers?
Doning 180mph and almost 3G's in cornering I think the wind noice would drown out your Spotify playlist I'm afraid.
MrLundefaret pretty sure that’s not the point
Keeping the vegans happy by saying the monstrosity on screen was a chunk of rubber and not a dead animal, probably an owl :P
Or a smal eagle😅
I bet if he had more laps in it and some telemetry analysis (and time for it) he could have improved a lot, especially regarding downforce cornering.
Excellent job though, what an experience! :)
Does anybody know the artist or songs of the background music?
How did you prepare physically for this? Are you regularly fit, or did you train for this experience?
One of the The main piece to the puzzle is missing. The high revving v8 whirring Rasp!
terrifying track aue rouge is freaky as hell
If I’m not wrong a few years ago there was a similar car, really close to an F1 like this one but not identical as well. Does anyone remember its name?
The 4-pot ain't the best in the world but Christ I sure hope I was born uber rich to own one of these babies
Their new cars can go 3,000 miles before a rebuild.
The speed in the corners seem very deceptive like your not going that fast but when you showed the speed your thinking thats about the top speed of my road car.
Awesome!
I would say this is closer to an F2 car than an F1 car but I'm sure it was fun anyways
Lucky lucky boy🏎
surely for that money there would be a proper internal camera?
Inline 4 turbo engines was at the center of F1's most legendary era. Just sayin'...
80's good, 90's were better.
@Merovingian he's talking about the BMW M12/13 1.5L I4 turbo from the mid '80s that powered the Brabham team. They won the drivers title in 1983 but not the constructors title.
I would not pay that much for a 4 cylinder F1 car, that originally was a V8 screamer. And with carbon components replaced with heavier ones too, it’s just not the real thing! It’s like taking your trainers off for a running race and putting wellies on.
So obvious question (apologies if it has been asked already), but why not consider another 'lesser' demanding V8 engine?
JUDD type engine spring to mind but I'm not educated enough on racing engines to know what 'lesser' would mean.
Absolute hat tip to all at TDF for pushing with this, I do have some albeit small 2000 spec Formula Renault (both running and driving) experience, so to 'feel' Spa like this Marrusia car would still be just so unique!
My guess is you'd be hard pressed to find a V8 with similar weight and dimensions
v8 hayabusa would have been a sweet engine swap, probably weight a lot less too!
From the onboard it was 2:43 laptime. (Start at 6:40 end at 9:13). A full minute slower than 2019 cars. I'm sure it was great experience, I 100% believe that, but it's nothing compared to real modern F1 car at full pace.
2011 pole lap was 1:48.298. Still, you would have to go much much faster to experience the forces these cars are capable off.
Guy i get its lost its soul but thats not the point THIS car give people the chance to drive a dream without killing them self's without trying to keep it singing at 15k rpms...this is how you bread life long fans that will teach there kids to love it..i say if this company is sustainable good on them keep going
Whats ur best lap time?
Cool!
Tdf1 cars are litteraly regular 2011-2013 f1 cars if it went through pubity 😂
Loved the video, almost threw up.
Well, it’s not really an F1 car anymore ist it?
Yes it is
PeRRXX no, it just isn’t. It’s a cracking piece of kit, but it’s an insult to what it once was to still call it that. The V8 has been taken out. Carbon pieces taken out. It’s not the real thing anymore.
James Harrison my thoughts exactly mate
James Harrison sure bud, because those are the only things that make an F1 car. The aero is totally not the main thing. If they got rid of the aero, then yes, it wouldn’t be an F1 car. But, the aero is still there, therefore, it’s definitely an F1 car.
PeRRXX is a V8 Supercar still that with a four cylinder transplant? I don’t think so. I can see what you’re saying but they basically made a sub-formula car
GP2 engine GP2
I'm sorry, i know how the backstory of how TDF1 engineers used to be drivers and running out of budget and wish to have affordable and cost-effective F1 cars to drive long.
But GP2 engine is much better sounding than F2 hybrid.
Shame its been sterilized with an inline 4 instead of the proper V8 F1 engine. but still a dream fulfilled nonetheless.
Made reachable maybe more appropriate wording?
If they don't fix the engine sound, they're going bust..
Inline 4?
FFS, the only reason you would want to drive this car is for the full package, an F1 car without the F1 engine is not an F1 car, it's a complete cop out.
Probably a crazy cool experience, but dear god does it sound bad..
Certainly doesn’t sound good. At least not in this recording.
Its just chassi vibrations, you hear no exhaust sound at all
Just get the Lotus T125 if you're rich.
It was one hell of a weekend for everyone at Spa...
So it's Not F1... Cliickbait... Poor show Evo... And the V8 produced something between 750 and 780
How come it's not an F1 ? It is although with a different engine
That's phenomenonal. I'm off to rob a few banks.
Come on guys, you are EVO...this video wasn't up to your quality standard. It would be awesome to have a nice feature on this car.
Damn you should've went flat out through Eau Rouge...or Radillon (in recent years)
isn't it a gp2 car...
That motor sounds sick as a dog. On its last leg.
Probably the vibration from the camera mount
I know he was lucky to drive that. Once in a life time. But a 2014 back of the grid car.... gutted 😂
2011
Armchair Racer It’s 2014. Listen to the V6 ya div!
@@DrummingAli93 did you even watch the video? Listen to what he says at 2:38. It's a 2011 Marussia (Virgin) MVR-02. It was originally powered by a V8 but this one now has an I4 turbo. I don't know why you're talking about a V6.
Armchair Racer in other words. It’s barley an original F1 car then. Even from 2011. Instead of a V8 F1 engine to turbocharged four cylinder. It’s bloody pathetic tbh. “F1 car” 😂
"F1" dream drive at Spa :)
It doesn't sound good to me
so early!
yeah thats not an f1 car
It's definitely a formula car not a formula 1
But it's probably faster than the original formula 1 car.
@@markwalton8644 shots fired, but that doesn't matter now...
Didin't take eau rouge flat
I don't know about you but that engine sounds like total and utter shit. What the hell have they done with it, sounds like an old lawnmower.
so isnt a F1 car after all
Sorry but for me this does not deserve F1 in the title.
Video starts at 6:40
The experience must have been amazing and everything ... but ... my god how bad this engine sounds, my gosh
imo key ingridient of f1 experience is v8 and v10 sounds and aero, missing the sound kinda sucks
Inline 4 turbo..so it's not an F1 car at all.
AhEmGee probably the future f1 engine though 😕👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
@@tompog897 they were running 1500hp 4 cylinder back in the 80s. There nothing wrong with it.
N8 Smith I’m sure technically there’s nothing wrong with them but as rubbish as the V6 engines sound now, they still sound better than the 4 pots.
Misleading click bait. Used to and still do love evo, but this was a big disappointment. Sanitised so significantly it’s painful to hear.
This isn’t at all clickbait
That is not a Formula 1 car, it is a bastardised Formula 1 car and to suggest otherwise is intellectually dishonest. I disliked this video, if you tell people they are getting an F1 car it better bloody well be one.
It literally is an F1 car. It was built to race to race in F1, and built to comply with F1 regs. Having a different engine doesn’t mean it’s not an F1 car. By your logic, when teams take engines out of their old cars, and put them on display, it’s also not an F1 anymore