Hi Jordan, thanks for the video! Great to see you only BJJ on this format! Could you tell me what the t-shirt you wear at around 4:05 is? All the best from Germany!
I didnt like how you (and others) were deducted score for “excessive force” in some of the challenges. You don’t stop until the threat is 100% eliminated. If you stopped or held back and they caught you with 1 good strike or weren’t actually immobilized, it could be fatal for you. Great work Jordan and way to represent 💯
Jordan, I've actually been stabbed in the forehead before in a street fight and was in no immediate danger, the cut was deep down to where the bone of my skull was visible. In the moment, I didn't even feel any pain - it's a very vascular region but not one with a lot of nerves. You are correct in your presumption that you would have survived and been more than eligible to continue fighting. I highly agree with your analysis here. Great content as always. Also I met Jeff at a seminar earlier this year and he mentioned how great your BJJ is!
I’m loving that show! And you’re doing great in it. The trials themselves are imperfect anyway, and so there’s nothing wrong with experimenting like you did.
Thanks man! Coulda went horribly and I'm glad it didn't haha. I felt like it add a lot to the show too. Shock, variety, cool experiment, challenging traditional ideas of pulling guard etc
"They told us to go sparring intensity." That detail seems to be missing from many accounts of this episode. Especially considering that some folks essentially went for a knock out.
@@user-sw5wn8go3k aggressiveness is a way of defense, when u r scared of being humiliated or worst, i don't think is bad to prioritize to say sorry than get hurt physical or mentally. And also someone so qualified as nathan maybe can have the leisure to pull the punches and kicks but i assure u that if u were there, u would knock out people to win at least once, i don't believe u would rather let them stump ur ego with out a fight.
@@user-sw5wn8go3k disagree. The show IS entertaining, but it seems heavily biased favouring the underdogs ( specially that australian dude). It seems like real fighters need to go full to even consider scoring. Otherwise, their pulled shots are ignored while the others are considered "knockout worthy"
This was such a bold and interesting move. I really appreciate that, even though sometimes striking would be an easier choice, you choose to use and test pure jiu-jitsu! Even if at the end you dont get the first place, it's still very cool and respectable the experiment you are carrying on!
Army combat medic here. I find the claims that your femoral artery is at risk to be unsubstantiated and a result of the dunning kruger effect in regards to the medical knowledge people saying it have. You would have died from your popliteal artery, not your femoral. However, limb bleeding is a LOT easier of a problem to solve than penetrating trauma to the torso. The real lesson here is to carry a tourniquet.
Yeah I know people who have put fingers in a wound to stem bleeding enough to make it to the hospital (dog shot complete pass-through the torso with an archery practice tip) Hierarchy is Die at the scene < die in the ambulance < hard job for the trauma surgeon < fixable in the ER < bandaid < unscathed
Within the context of the scenario (1v1 against a knife wielding attacker with no where to run), pulling guard is a completely valid strategy and honestly seemed to work pretty well; though I wish at least one round would've started with a drop kick. I do also find it odd that everyone keeps harping of the femoral artery being open, as if the carotid and axillary arteries aren't equally as open when standing. Throughout the challenge there were multiple times contestants were stabbed in the armpit directly where the axillary artery is, but it wasn't treated as a kill and never commented on.
I had commented on Reddit the other issue is that if your legs get cut up, you can't run away if you do get space. But I also noted that you have bigger problems if your arms and gut get cut up...
I love how Ranton's comments are so legitimately full of respect, God I love that guy 😂 And man you did awesome! I think that this was perfect for the science and overall study of self defense. A lot of people say "you should always do this" or "you should never do that" but, how many of them are actually trying the stuff they talk about? As controlled as this environment was, it was perfect as an attempt to seek the truth without actually dying or getting messed up. Congrats and thank you for putting yourself in the line for the rest of us!
Yeah it was a very bad judgment. There are dozens of cases of ppl getting stabbed to the head and surviving. Some even penetrated the skull and the ppl still survived. Its much harder to kill a human than most ppl think. On the other hand there are ppl who were cutting meat for a burger and cut themselves and died...
I was there and Jordan account is 100% what happened there. His strategy was incredibly effective. I asked Jordan after why didnt he use the knee kicks to keep a longer distance and he explained that those could really hurt people and didnt want to hurt the participants. I agree 100% with jordan view of the scoring and most people there saw the same. Judgment was not fair at all.
It was strange because I felt everyone there thought I won but I had a gut feeling the judges weren't going to give it to me. Oh well. Still happy with my performance at least. Hopefully I can visit you in Spain soon! I enjoyed spending torn you and all the other crowd funders 🙂
So they kept with the bullshit of "sparring" intensity, huh? That's just a front both in the past season and this one the attackers don't respect sparring intensity. I mean Jeff's kick didn't count, your up kicks didn't count etc. unless someone was throwing shots that made the helmet go out of place so the attacker couldn't see like Ranton did or trying to murder them like Nathan they didn't really react to anything else, at least not consistently. They really should fix the rules and the scoring criteria (probably not an easy task to be fair) or be upfront that this is essentially really hard sparring, practically a fight.
This is a problem with striking vs. grappling in general. You can go 50% in grappling and it still works. You go 50% in striking "oh that wouldn't have knocked me out."
I find it interesting they told you to go sparring intensity, since they obviously rewarded the competitors who went harder than that (Natan) while punishing those who stayed at a lower intensity (Jeff Chan during this round & Natan during Hide & Go Stab)
Once I saw a video, when a kickboxing master was attacked by a crazy guy with a machete.. The most amazing, he managed to fight back and survive exactly the Jordan's way by pulling guard and using upkicks! 😮 However his legs were badly hurt..
Absolutely run from a knife fight. If you do get cut keep fighting. We were taught that you can absorb lots of cuts and still live but people tend to freeze up and stop fighting and then take lethal blows. But yes run if you’re able.
I’m interested to know if you’ve watched both seasons of the USDC. Not one self defense expert/fighter were able to run from the knife in the building escape challenge. A whole building and not one guy got out without life threatening injuries. Makes ya think 🤔
Like 10 years ago 15 attackers armed with knives attacked a Chinese train station. They had 99 victims only 3 died. That’s nearly a 96% survivability rate of normal civilians. Knives are deadly weapons that deserve to be treated with the utmost severity in a real situation but you can survive a lot of damage from a knife without dying. Most knife attacks I see in the news have a really high injury:dead ratio.
@@michaelm9710I mean several would’ve if there wasn’t a guy hiding next to the get away truck with fore knowledge that that’s specifically where you were trying to go. Without that like half the contestants got away. So as long as you only pissed off one attacker or the attackers don’t know where you parked and what you drive you have a decent chance. I feel like they were more intent on the message “you can’t always run” than actually testing if you can run.
@@tarettime9392 even if you are describing the scenario correctly, I cannot agree based on the footage I’ve seen. I do believe that I could survive a knife attack from a single person. But more than one - probably not. The best strategies then are still up for debate.
You did an amazing job representing the BJJ community! Loved to see how a guard would work in a knife fight. Way to think outside the box! Keep Representing💪💪
That was legendary and very educational! I am a striker, but aiming a flipping leg press at someone is straight up genius. You are protecting your organs and the confusion gives you time for help to arrive. Maybe throwables would be a problem if you pull guard though…
My dad was robbed once. While walking back to his car, he opened the door to get into the car, the robber pushed him and he somehow fell on his back into the car. He did the same kicks (as you did) at the robber, ended up with the knife getting stucked in his shin. He pulled out the knife and chased after the robber.Adrenaline makes you a monster. Would pulling guard and kicks work? Depends
Im a subscriber of your channel and I didn't know about the show. YT suggested it to me and I loved watching it because I not only like martial arts but also work in event security. I think your performance was excellent and some people didn't take into account that you could also do kicks that really hurt the attacker if you wanted to.
honestly you made bjj history, you have shown and proven that pulling guard works, i think this is the first time this ever happened vs knife in real conditions
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu but when you truly look at it and analyse it its just so obvious, you took your vitals as far away as possible from harm and you used most powerful muscles on human body to deliver devastating kicks. "you should never pull guard in a knife fight" well you did, and turns out its the smartest thing to do under those conditions. this also reminds me, to have a tourniquet in a pocket on me at all times
Legendary sir!! I think an interesting aspect of pulling guard is that it is so unexpected that it throws off the attacker as they have to adapt to the change. Using your legs to keep them at a distance is a very clever solution. I have eaten a handful of unintentional up kicks and they are no joke!
I CALLED IT MONTHS AGO! He made a short about the knife defence challenge in the UCDC and I suggested he pulled guard, and he did! Makes sense, keeps the knife away from your body, you can still deal kicks to their legs and head if they get close enough. He disarmed him with his up kick
Thanks for sticking to a Jiu jitsu technique and pulling guard. May not have worked every time but we got to see the experiment in action and learn how it could work.
Makes sense . Your keeping your neck,heart and lungs furthest away from standby slashy thing. And putting your most powerful limbs armed with shoes forward
Everyone criticizes pulling guard but it is an effective strategy in specific situations. People with barely any knowledge or experience are ironically the first to denounce it. Rooting for you Jordan!
I agree on the round 4 call. It would have been nasty, but it wouldn't have been immediately fatal. Exactly like you said, the pull guard strategy works because you know its a game. You knows the round is going to end after 15 seconds, you know the ground isn't damaging, and you know there's only one attacker. Its a very clever solution to the competition and it would be made even more viable if you were wearing pants and shoes of significant thickness (jeans and boots for example). So, although I'm against this plan as real self defense, under the rules of the game, I would have given you three rounds won. What it does tell anyone from a self defense perspective is don't ever give up, no matter how bad your position seems.
Loving this season and your approach is legit. We need any to see all the options. Even the bad ones. If everyone does the same thing, we will probably miss effective actions and fail to learn from ineffective mistakes. You should have brought running shoes though 😂. Well done overall
I appreciate that you highlight that this is for a competition that has rules and safety precautions. In a competition with no real threat of danger; pulling guard can absolutely work in a knife fight.
This worked as well as any defense Ive seen and better than many. I was not expecting this to happen but you for real just made me re-evaluate my whole perspective on guard pulling in a self defense scenario. Just the fact that the dude was legitimately puzzled about how to handle the situation is a thing to consider. Also, there are some Capoeira kicking and some weird Kung Fu kicking techniques from ground positions that always seemed gimmick and silly to me until this video. Like, what if you could really kick tf out of someone from that grounded position and they had no blue print at all of how to deal with it? Its one of those things that seems stupid until you see that it can work. From a high level viewpoint of strategy its just another example of forcing someone into a type of contest that theyre not prepared for but you are. Thats Musashi level stuff. Force the enemy to play a game that you know how to win and they dont even know how to play.
Watch Officer Jonah Hernandez body camera footage. He was an officer that got stabbed to death and it was horrifying. Pulling guard (in my opinion) is probably the best thing to do if you’re really close to the attacker and buy you some time to draw a gun (if you carry one). Of course if running isn’t an option. But I think you handled yourself really good! There isn’t a perfect way to defend against a knife attacker.
Thanks man! I think those critisizing it aren't thinking about the full picture. I also think the guard upkick method requires much less skill than trying to strike without much striking skill.
Hey Jordan, thanks for being such a great representative for Jiujitsu! Sucks seeing you have to unfortunately drop out, but I truly think you would've won seeing as you were in first place at the end of the most recent video.
Brothers a 10th planet bjj blackbelt we train with plastic dummy knives a lot in scenario drills for our own experimentation outside of the gym. Sitting with feet out in front is a great strategy as up kicks can easily disorientate an attacker and it's way less likely to get caught in the femoral than it is if standing in the chest. Next best option is teap kicks until they get to close then solely focusing on a two on one grip to the forearm risking the knockout from the other hand, blocking slash attempts with outside forearm (no open veins on outside). If they don't know any jiu jitsu then they are in your world for the most part, but at the end of the day, you are still at risk no matter what, maybe its a hot day and he is sweaty the grip slips or you go for two on one and just miss the chance. So many factors.
Incredible. How you thought of this speaks volumes. If you've ever play-fought with someone on their back this makes so much sense. You're just trying to avoid their legs at all costs cuz one head shot and you're out. My gf who's half my size and likes learning BJJ (I'm a blue belt) but has never trained will do this when we play-fight and she'll just throw legs from that position. It's way harder to do anything than you'd imagine. Now take an actual BJJ black belt that knows how to move on their back makes so much sense after the fact.
This worked as well as any defense Ive seen and better than many. I was not expecting this to happen but you for real just made me re-evaluate my whole perspective on guard pulling in a self defense scenario. Just the fact that the dude was legitimately puzzled about how to handle the situation is a thing to consider. Also, there are some Capoeira kicking and some weird Kung Fu kicking techniques from ground positions that always seemed gimmick and silly to me until this video. Like, what if you could
Hey Jordan! Love your content and I'm rooting for you in USDC. I think you are doing really well despite the challenges so far having some bias against grappling. I am on of those Gracie Jiujitsu guys and while no knife technique is perfect the ones they teach in our curriculum i think are pretty good. In case you didn't know where you could look. Good luck brother! Even though i know its already been filmed! Looking forward to seeing you in the next episodes!
the Gracie's posted a video awhile back on this technique for cops - if someone is rushing at them with a knife and they're too close to draw your gun in time, dropping to guard, keeping them at bay with legs, then drawing and firing gun may be the best way to handle that situation
I always thought about that. You minimize damage putting vital parts of your body away from the blade. However, it will only work if the offender is not a jiu-jitsuka, wrestler or other form of grappler. In this case he will play with your guard and stab you when he gets closer to vital points.
I think this was a smarter move than people are giving credit for. The fact is, it did work in this specific situation and part of self defense is adapting to the situation you’re in. This season we have seen a few different effective strategies from knockouts to guard to Jesse’s arm bar.
One thing I wonder about is the effect of having other people in the room watching. Having other attackers in watch your first attack must have diminished the surprise effect.
Yepp. People should just be happy to see different strategies played out. But the self defence crowd is nuts and full of the most hateful cynical people. In Jeff's Phillips commentary in his channel he mentioned how the first knife attacker was unsure how to proceed with me but the attackers after knew what to expect. But that's not really fair as participants were left in the dark about absolutely everything. The cards were massively stacked against us. Especially me with a unique strategy. All good though. I knew it would be controversial haha
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu TBH I don’t think those people fundamentally understand the idea of “testing.” When you run experiments, there are two ways you can be wrong: 1) the thing you thought would work didn’t, but also 2) things you didn’t expect to work actually do. It seems like martial arts/ self-defense crowds are more inclined to think in terms of 1). There’s so much “that wouldn’t work if xyz variable was different.” The obvious flip side of that is that if the conditions were different it automatically means other strategies would also likely suddenly become effective. So thanks Jordan for showcasing that. My respect for BJJ as a form of self defense has grown enormously over this season from watching you.
Hommie I already followed you from the trailers of the USDC and because I've just started my Jiu Jitsu Journey here in Brazil. But after that I became a mf fan! Weirdly enough it encouraged me to keep trying to incorporate my background in kung fu into bjj (yes, I'm only 2 months in), just for the value of thinking outside the box... also because it's fun.
There is on youtube an expert in knife attack that would agree with you’re technic, after years of training different scenario and way of defence (hitting the opponent with no care for the knife, focusing on grabbing the knife, hitting first then grabbing the knife) he finally tried pull gard and realised that it’s the best technic to not get deadly stabbed !
Seems making connections works more than just kicking. Would love to see how an Imanari roll works. But yeah amazing to see the hated buttscoot actually work. props
I had the same reaction when watching this, why do the punches count but the upkicks to the back of the head didn't? Also that musta been one strong dude to reach over an obstacle being shoved into him and then thrusting through the top of your skull, the hardest part of your skull.
I was thinking that when you cant run, cand escape, cant deescalate that using your leggs and heel stijes would be safest especially if you are already wearing boots.
A partial forehead stab that you were pulling away from, and one where you also were blocking the arm/pushing it back? Very seriously doubt that'd be fatal. Agree with you there.
Doctor: what happened? Man: I’m badly wounded Doc: how? Man: I tried stabbing another man Doc: then? Man: when I attacked him, he pulled guard Doc: you seek Jesus not a doctor brother.
I'm on your side, but I can't stand to watch the show. The pros pull their shots, the volunteers act like they weren't hit. I get that they're tough and fast rugby players. Maybe the contestants should have treated them a little rougher?
As the show progressed contestants realized they had to go harder on the volonteers if they wanted to win, but there's a morally dillema there. I had a hard time with it.
Any experienced martial artist will see the flaws in this scenario training, and their calls of "fatal" for that leg hit and forehead hit are WAY off, imo. The judges should spend some time butchering a deer carcass (and experimenting a little in the process), and would quickly discover that to penetrate the skull with a knife requires a "just right" puncture -- the skull is rounded, designed to deflect penetration. The leg wound? You've got ridiculously muscled legs, and arteries don't just sit there -- they roll and squish and move out of the way. Yes, if the person's knife was shaving sharp (most people can hardly sharpen a knife to tomato-cutting status, lol!), and yes if the angle was again, "just right", but I think you would have survived both of those "fatal" hits with just a good round of stitches. Most importantly, you tried something experimental. AND it was the very thing that jiujitsu is often criticized for. Personally, I love the energy you brought to this competition, and showed the effectiveness of the art. You're my go-to jiujitsu channel because of your approach, which is rooted in experimentation and continued learning and growth. Way to go, Jordan!
As someone with toddlers, every situation is a no-run situation for me now. I'm just going straight for the suplex now until the kids are fast enough to run for themselves lol
Others had a strategy of trying to match the aggression of the attacker, I wonder if throwing in some imanari rolls would have worked even better. Potentially even more BJJ than pulling guard!
Regarding round 4: I agree you wouldn’t have been dead immediately. It would have just been a long cut on your forehead. However, on this spot you would have bled a lot and this blood would be flooding down over your eyes. With no way to see, being irritated considerably and maybe also panicking as a consequence of that, the cut itself would not be lethal, any follow up would be however within the next seconds…
why are all the fighters not focusing their attacks or evasions on the knife hand rather than on the person? Is that a rule that you have to fight the person like they don't have a weapon? It seems like it would be more effective if you were able to focus energy on trapping the hand or evading it rather than focusing on the person.
With a slash to the face, your forehead would probably look like Irene Aldana's in last week fight against Norma Dumont on UFC, but i don't see how it would be fatal, i mean, even in thrusting motion, it would probably be very difficult to pierce the forehead without good control. Maybe the judges had a too Hollywoodesque view of knives, where one or thrust kills immediatly.
It’s difficult to simulate real damage in practice. A lot, if not most, of those “fatal” knife wounds would likely be easily survivable. I mean try stabbing through a steak with a sharp knife. It’s still not that easy and the attacker glancing a blade across a lethal area doesn’t mean it had the force to do lethal damage. Hard to measure but one thing is for sure. Avoid knife fights because you’re not going to win even if you win.
Yeah looking back I think you only should have lost one of those rounds which is very impressive. While I don't think guard is a great first response against a knife I think you proved the value in learning it. One of the things people tend forget is that going to the ground is not always a choice, sometimes you fall or are put there and you need to know how to respond from there (that even happened to you in this challenge if I am not mistaken).
Just here to spread some love after USDC2. Haven't seen episode 5 yet, so can I get a spoiler on whether you managed to participate in the last 2 challenges?
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu awww :( sad. You pulling guard on the knife attacker thou... In words of Ranton - that's content. Definitely one of the more epic highlights of Shank Tank.
I think if Jordan pulled guard on me I would just turn around and go find a timmys and get coffee and sit there and look into the cup and think about my life choices
I wondered a few times what I would do if I were attacked by a dog. Running is no option as a dog is way faster. In an upright position the dog can pick its choice at where to attack your legs and it can (and will) throw you to the ground where you end up underneath. I think a seated guard wouldn't be such a bad option. The dog will have to face your feet (well, boots) to get to your legs and kicks from that position can be devastating. However, I know too little about dogs to be sure if that would work.
I agree with everything else except for the forehead stab, I’ve seen too many videos of people falling on chopsticks to know that your forehead isn’t as strong as you hope against small piercing objects. If it was a slash then it would’ve been a different story.
That round was yours IMHO. Even a 22 lr sometimes doesn’t pierce the forehead and instead tunnels inside the skin. An oblique angle like that very unlikely would have pierced the skull
Given the circumstances I thought pulling guard was the best strategy. You’d likely be wearing pants and shoes for greater protection than your torso and it creates more distance between a lot more vital organs. And of course up kicks are more unpredictable and forceful than hand strikes so more likely to knock the knife away or injure the attacker 👍🏻
pulling guard realistically anywhere would just get you killed ESPECIALLY if someones attacking you with a knife, cause 99% of people should have the common sense to just stab your foot, doesnt matter if your corrated artery is stabbed your still getting impaled and sliced by metal its painful regardless and even if they didnt have a knife what stops them from grabbing your feet and draging your around?
Proves a lot of people don’t know $hit about Jiu Jitsu. I love how confused the first attacker was. Did you avoid kicking their knees because you didn’t want to injure them? Anyway good job man.
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Hi Jordan, thanks for the video! Great to see you only BJJ on this format! Could you tell me what the t-shirt you wear at around 4:05 is? All the best from Germany!
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I didnt like how you (and others) were deducted score for “excessive force” in some of the challenges. You don’t stop until the threat is 100% eliminated. If you stopped or held back and they caught you with 1 good strike or weren’t actually immobilized, it could be fatal for you.
Great work Jordan and way to represent 💯
@@mitschkeil underarmour 🙂
Brought a guard to a knife fight I see
Jordan, I've actually been stabbed in the forehead before in a street fight and was in no immediate danger, the cut was deep down to where the bone of my skull was visible. In the moment, I didn't even feel any pain - it's a very vascular region but not one with a lot of nerves. You are correct in your presumption that you would have survived and been more than eligible to continue fighting. I highly agree with your analysis here. Great content as always.
Also I met Jeff at a seminar earlier this year and he mentioned how great your BJJ is!
I’m loving that show! And you’re doing great in it. The trials themselves are imperfect anyway, and so there’s nothing wrong with experimenting like you did.
Thanks! It's so tricky because you only have one shot and you know the world will be watching. I get nervous enough recording some of these rolls lol
Jordan pulling guard made the show! Respect to Jordan for taking the chance and doing well.
Thanks man! Coulda went horribly and I'm glad it didn't haha. I felt like it add a lot to the show too. Shock, variety, cool experiment, challenging traditional ideas of pulling guard etc
I am a paramedic and have seen lacerations to the forehead bone deep. It's not even emergency traffic... i demand a recount
Ik the people evaluating the injuries went to the Hollywood school of medicine.
@@tarettime9392 Or the video game one.
You’re right but blood running over the face still diminish the vision and you’re capacity to see …
"They told us to go sparring intensity." That detail seems to be missing from many accounts of this episode. Especially considering that some folks essentially went for a knock out.
And then you had the volunteers say it’s the contestants fault for pulling the kick.
@@kevintse2870Jeff's head kick totally should have been scored as a knockout.
I found some contestants like Nathan to be unnecessarily aggressive
@@user-sw5wn8go3k aggressiveness is a way of defense, when u r scared of being humiliated or worst, i don't think is bad to prioritize to say sorry than get hurt physical or mentally. And also someone so qualified as nathan maybe can have the leisure to pull the punches and kicks but i assure u that if u were there, u would knock out people to win at least once, i don't believe u would rather let them stump ur ego with out a fight.
@@user-sw5wn8go3k disagree. The show IS entertaining, but it seems heavily biased favouring the underdogs ( specially that australian dude). It seems like real fighters need to go full to even consider scoring. Otherwise, their pulled shots are ignored while the others are considered "knockout worthy"
High level brother!
These up-kicks and subs were deadly 🔥
I don't think us pajama stranglers & butt-scooters could have a better ambassador to represent BJJ on this show! Rooting for you brother!
@@chrisbastardi1277 I appreciate that a lot 🙂
This was such a bold and interesting move. I really appreciate that, even though sometimes striking would be an easier choice, you choose to use and test pure jiu-jitsu! Even if at the end you dont get the first place, it's still very cool and respectable the experiment you are carrying on!
Army combat medic here. I find the claims that your femoral artery is at risk to be unsubstantiated and a result of the dunning kruger effect in regards to the medical knowledge people saying it have. You would have died from your popliteal artery, not your femoral. However, limb bleeding is a LOT easier of a problem to solve than penetrating trauma to the torso. The real lesson here is to carry a tourniquet.
Yeah I know people who have put fingers in a wound to stem bleeding enough to make it to the hospital (dog shot complete pass-through the torso with an archery practice tip)
Hierarchy is
Die at the scene < die in the ambulance < hard job for the trauma surgeon < fixable in the ER < bandaid < unscathed
Within the context of the scenario (1v1 against a knife wielding attacker with no where to run), pulling guard is a completely valid strategy and honestly seemed to work pretty well; though I wish at least one round would've started with a drop kick. I do also find it odd that everyone keeps harping of the femoral artery being open, as if the carotid and axillary arteries aren't equally as open when standing. Throughout the challenge there were multiple times contestants were stabbed in the armpit directly where the axillary artery is, but it wasn't treated as a kill and never commented on.
I had commented on Reddit the other issue is that if your legs get cut up, you can't run away if you do get space. But I also noted that you have bigger problems if your arms and gut get cut up...
@@danielskrivan6921 But if running away was an option, then the whole scenario is invalid...
I love how Ranton's comments are so legitimately full of respect, God I love that guy 😂
And man you did awesome! I think that this was perfect for the science and overall study of self defense. A lot of people say "you should always do this" or "you should never do that" but, how many of them are actually trying the stuff they talk about? As controlled as this environment was, it was perfect as an attempt to seek the truth without actually dying or getting messed up. Congrats and thank you for putting yourself in the line for the rest of us!
Jordan told in the beginning that he would try to use as much JJ as possible and delivered ! I think it was very smart and creative decision
Thanks man! I thought it would be good to actually represent my style. Glad viewers appreciate that decision 🙂
On the knife to the face:
Plastic surgery? Definitely
Death? I don’t think so.
The forehead cut of death!
Yeah it was a very bad judgment. There are dozens of cases of ppl getting stabbed to the head and surviving. Some even penetrated the skull and the ppl still survived. Its much harder to kill a human than most ppl think. On the other hand there are ppl who were cutting meat for a burger and cut themselves and died...
Ok but how do you fight after that kind of cut though?? The amount of blood running over your eyes would really hinder you
@@vantaa3534 the argument wasn’t, “how effectively could you fight with this wound?” It was, “Is this wound lethal?”
@@torrytucker9766 yeah well impaired fighting skills would probably lead to new lethal stabs so...
That was genuinely amazing!
Great experiment, and im so happy it worked!!
I was there and Jordan account is 100% what happened there. His strategy was incredibly effective. I asked Jordan after why didnt he use the knee kicks to keep a longer distance and he explained that those could really hurt people and didnt want to hurt the participants. I agree 100% with jordan view of the scoring and most people there saw the same. Judgment was not fair at all.
It was strange because I felt everyone there thought I won but I had a gut feeling the judges weren't going to give it to me. Oh well. Still happy with my performance at least. Hopefully I can visit you in Spain soon! I enjoyed spending torn you and all the other crowd funders 🙂
Dude! This was the most interesting part of the season so far!!! I love that you did this
So they kept with the bullshit of "sparring" intensity, huh? That's just a front both in the past season and this one the attackers don't respect sparring intensity. I mean Jeff's kick didn't count, your up kicks didn't count etc. unless someone was throwing shots that made the helmet go out of place so the attacker couldn't see like Ranton did or trying to murder them like Nathan they didn't really react to anything else, at least not consistently.
They really should fix the rules and the scoring criteria (probably not an easy task to be fair) or be upfront that this is essentially really hard sparring, practically a fight.
Yepp. Unfortunately going hard is what entertains viewers. I prefer a more reasonable/safer approach.
This is a problem with striking vs. grappling in general. You can go 50% in grappling and it still works. You go 50% in striking "oh that wouldn't have knocked me out."
Jeff Chan has solved the game from last time. 70% means 70% for the competitors and 110% for the attackers, so Jeff is just blasting these dudes
@@bolieve603After Jeff and Nathan, I hope the goons learned their lesson in next season
I find it interesting they told you to go sparring intensity, since they obviously rewarded the competitors who went harder than that (Natan) while punishing those who stayed at a lower intensity (Jeff Chan during this round & Natan during Hide & Go Stab)
@@EpicDoughnut yepp didn't make sense to me. They only told us that in the beginning. Then after it was apparent it was a free for all.
This was actually amazing good job Jordan!
Once I saw a video, when a kickboxing master was attacked by a crazy guy with a machete.. The most amazing, he managed to fight back and survive exactly the Jordan's way by pulling guard and using upkicks! 😮 However his legs were badly hurt..
your forehead would've blocked the knife, I think
👍. I was surprised they give him a loss in that round
"In real life," you're likely to be wearing jeans and shoes/boots. Which I think would make a difference as well.
I’m glad somebody brought that up
I love everything about this
Absolutely run from a knife fight. If you do get cut keep fighting. We were taught that you can absorb lots of cuts and still live but people tend to freeze up and stop fighting and then take lethal blows. But yes run if you’re able.
Yupp i agree, run if possible! The odds will always be incredibly stacked against your favor regardless of training imo
I’m interested to know if you’ve watched both seasons of the USDC. Not one self defense expert/fighter were able to run from the knife in the building escape challenge. A whole building and not one guy got out without life threatening injuries. Makes ya think 🤔
Like 10 years ago 15 attackers armed with knives attacked a Chinese train station. They had 99 victims only 3 died. That’s nearly a 96% survivability rate of normal civilians. Knives are deadly weapons that deserve to be treated with the utmost severity in a real situation but you can survive a lot of damage from a knife without dying. Most knife attacks I see in the news have a really high injury:dead ratio.
@@michaelm9710I mean several would’ve if there wasn’t a guy hiding next to the get away truck with fore knowledge that that’s specifically where you were trying to go. Without that like half the contestants got away. So as long as you only pissed off one attacker or the attackers don’t know where you parked and what you drive you have a decent chance. I feel like they were more intent on the message “you can’t always run” than actually testing if you can run.
@@tarettime9392 even if you are describing the scenario correctly, I cannot agree based on the footage I’ve seen. I do believe that I could survive a knife attack from a single person. But more than one - probably not. The best strategies then are still up for debate.
You did an amazing job representing the BJJ community! Loved to see how a guard would work in a knife fight. Way to think outside the box! Keep Representing💪💪
That was legendary and very educational! I am a striker, but aiming a flipping leg press at someone is straight up genius. You are protecting your organs and the confusion gives you time for help to arrive. Maybe throwables would be a problem if you pull guard though…
My dad was robbed once. While walking back to his car, he opened the door to get into the car, the robber pushed him and he somehow fell on his back into the car. He did the same kicks (as you did) at the robber, ended up with the knife getting stucked in his shin. He pulled out the knife and chased after the robber.Adrenaline makes you a monster.
Would pulling guard and kicks work? Depends
Im a subscriber of your channel and I didn't know about the show. YT suggested it to me and I loved watching it because I not only like martial arts but also work in event security. I think your performance was excellent and some people didn't take into account that you could also do kicks that really hurt the attacker if you wanted to.
Thanks man! As I was kicking I remember wondering why theyre not stopping it. Felt like I had to KO him but I wasn't willing to haha
honestly you made bjj history, you have shown and proven that pulling guard works, i think this is the first time this ever happened vs knife in real conditions
Thanks man. Took a gamble but it paid off pretty good. Glad inisee) I used that opportunity to try something different!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu but when you truly look at it and analyse it its just so obvious, you took your vitals as far away as possible from harm and you used most powerful muscles on human body to deliver devastating kicks.
"you should never pull guard in a knife fight" well you did, and turns out its the smartest thing to do under those conditions.
this also reminds me, to have a tourniquet in a pocket on me at all times
Legendary sir!! I think an interesting aspect of pulling guard is that it is so unexpected that it throws off the attacker as they have to adapt to the change. Using your legs to keep them at a distance is a very clever solution. I have eaten a handful of unintentional up kicks and they are no joke!
I CALLED IT MONTHS AGO! He made a short about the knife defence challenge in the UCDC and I suggested he pulled guard, and he did! Makes sense, keeps the knife away from your body, you can still deal kicks to their legs and head if they get close enough. He disarmed him with his up kick
Thanks for sticking to a Jiu jitsu technique and pulling guard. May not have worked every time but we got to see the experiment in action and learn how it could work.
Makes sense . Your keeping your neck,heart and lungs furthest away from standby slashy thing. And putting your most powerful limbs armed with shoes forward
Everyone criticizes pulling guard but it is an effective strategy in specific situations. People with barely any knowledge or experience are ironically the first to denounce it. Rooting for you Jordan!
I agree on the round 4 call. It would have been nasty, but it wouldn't have been immediately fatal.
Exactly like you said, the pull guard strategy works because you know its a game. You knows the round is going to end after 15 seconds, you know the ground isn't damaging, and you know there's only one attacker. Its a very clever solution to the competition and it would be made even more viable if you were wearing pants and shoes of significant thickness (jeans and boots for example). So, although I'm against this plan as real self defense, under the rules of the game, I would have given you three rounds won.
What it does tell anyone from a self defense perspective is don't ever give up, no matter how bad your position seems.
Loving this season and your approach is legit. We need any to see all the options. Even the bad ones. If everyone does the same thing, we will probably miss effective actions and fail to learn from ineffective mistakes.
You should have brought running shoes though 😂.
Well done overall
I appreciate that you highlight that this is for a competition that has rules and safety precautions. In a competition with no real threat of danger; pulling guard can absolutely work in a knife fight.
Im waiting for the sensi seth reaction video to come out... Jordan I love you my mans but pulling guard is wild 😂
Just couldn't resist doing the most BJJ thing possible lol
This worked as well as any defense Ive seen and better than many. I was not expecting this to happen but you for real just made me re-evaluate my whole perspective on guard pulling in a self defense scenario. Just the fact that the dude was legitimately puzzled about how to handle the situation is a thing to consider. Also, there are some Capoeira kicking and some weird Kung Fu kicking techniques from ground positions that always seemed gimmick and silly to me until this video. Like, what if you could really kick tf out of someone from that grounded position and they had no blue print at all of how to deal with it?
Its one of those things that seems stupid until you see that it can work. From a high level viewpoint of strategy its just another example of forcing someone into a type of contest that theyre not prepared for but you are. Thats Musashi level stuff. Force the enemy to play a game that you know how to win and they dont even know how to play.
I'm rooting for u, brother! Can't wait for the next episode
Watch Officer Jonah Hernandez body camera footage. He was an officer that got stabbed to death and it was horrifying. Pulling guard (in my opinion) is probably the best thing to do if you’re really close to the attacker and buy you some time to draw a gun (if you carry one). Of course if running isn’t an option. But I think you handled yourself really good! There isn’t a perfect way to defend against a knife attacker.
Thanks man! I think those critisizing it aren't thinking about the full picture. I also think the guard upkick method requires much less skill than trying to strike without much striking skill.
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Absolutely. It’s about survival. Be safe and good luck on the competition!
Or pull your own knife - I have an edc on me almost everyday 😂
@@michaelm9710 lol ay gotta level the battle field!
@@leoa2187 that’s right
Hey Jordan, thanks for being such a great representative for Jiujitsu! Sucks seeing you have to unfortunately drop out, but I truly think you would've won seeing as you were in first place at the end of the most recent video.
Brothers a 10th planet bjj blackbelt we train with plastic dummy knives a lot in scenario drills for our own experimentation outside of the gym. Sitting with feet out in front is a great strategy as up kicks can easily disorientate an attacker and it's way less likely to get caught in the femoral than it is if standing in the chest. Next best option is teap kicks until they get to close then solely focusing on a two on one grip to the forearm risking the knockout from the other hand, blocking slash attempts with outside forearm (no open veins on outside). If they don't know any jiu jitsu then they are in your world for the most part, but at the end of the day, you are still at risk no matter what, maybe its a hot day and he is sweaty the grip slips or you go for two on one and just miss the chance. So many factors.
Nice Jordan, good to hear your perspectives. Job well done 👍
Thanks man! Appreciate it 👊
Incredible. How you thought of this speaks volumes. If you've ever play-fought with someone on their back this makes so much sense. You're just trying to avoid their legs at all costs cuz one head shot and you're out. My gf who's half my size and likes learning BJJ (I'm a blue belt) but has never trained will do this when we play-fight and she'll just throw legs from that position. It's way harder to do anything than you'd imagine. Now take an actual BJJ black belt that knows how to move on their back makes so much sense after the fact.
Bro you're surprisingly funny. That intro got me
0:50 - love this
This worked as well as any defense Ive seen and better than many. I was not expecting this to happen but you for real just made me re-evaluate my whole perspective on guard pulling in a self defense scenario. Just the fact that the dude was legitimately puzzled about how to handle the situation is a thing to consider. Also, there are some Capoeira kicking and some weird Kung Fu kicking techniques from ground positions that always seemed gimmick and silly to me until this video. Like, what if you could
Hey Jordan! Love your content and I'm rooting for you in USDC. I think you are doing really well despite the challenges so far having some bias against grappling.
I am on of those Gracie Jiujitsu guys and while no knife technique is perfect the ones they teach in our curriculum i think are pretty good. In case you didn't know where you could look.
Good luck brother! Even though i know its already been filmed! Looking forward to seeing you in the next episodes!
the Gracie's posted a video awhile back on this technique for cops - if someone is rushing at them with a knife and they're too close to draw your gun in time, dropping to guard, keeping them at bay with legs, then drawing and firing gun may be the best way to handle that situation
I always thought about that. You minimize damage putting vital parts of your body away from the blade. However, it will only work if the offender is not a jiu-jitsuka, wrestler or other form of grappler. In this case he will play with your guard and stab you when he gets closer to vital points.
cool video! I laughed when he said he was pissed now haha
lets go that was badass!!
Thanks! I'm proud of my performance 🙂
I think this was a smarter move than people are giving credit for. The fact is, it did work in this specific situation and part of self defense is adapting to the situation you’re in.
This season we have seen a few different effective strategies from knockouts to guard to Jesse’s arm bar.
One thing I wonder about is the effect of having other people in the room watching. Having other attackers in watch your first attack must have diminished the surprise effect.
Yepp. People should just be happy to see different strategies played out. But the self defence crowd is nuts and full of the most hateful cynical people.
In Jeff's Phillips commentary in his channel he mentioned how the first knife attacker was unsure how to proceed with me but the attackers after knew what to expect. But that's not really fair as participants were left in the dark about absolutely everything. The cards were massively stacked against us. Especially me with a unique strategy.
All good though. I knew it would be controversial haha
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu TBH I don’t think those people fundamentally understand the idea of “testing.”
When you run experiments, there are two ways you can be wrong: 1) the thing you thought would work didn’t, but also 2) things you didn’t expect to work actually do.
It seems like martial arts/ self-defense crowds are more inclined to think in terms of 1). There’s so much “that wouldn’t work if xyz variable was different.” The obvious flip side of that is that if the conditions were different it automatically means other strategies would also likely suddenly become effective.
So thanks Jordan for showcasing that. My respect for BJJ as a form of self defense has grown enormously over this season from watching you.
Jordan, you're the man for this.
Hommie I already followed you from the trailers of the USDC and because I've just started my Jiu Jitsu Journey here in Brazil. But after that I became a mf fan!
Weirdly enough it encouraged me to keep trying to incorporate my background in kung fu into bjj (yes, I'm only 2 months in), just for the value of thinking outside the box... also because it's fun.
Brother that was incredible
There is on youtube an expert in knife attack that would agree with you’re technic, after years of training different scenario and way of defence (hitting the opponent with no care for the knife, focusing on grabbing the knife, hitting first then grabbing the knife) he finally tried pull gard and realised that it’s the best technic to not get deadly stabbed !
Seems making connections works more than just kicking. Would love to see how an Imanari roll works. But yeah amazing to see the hated buttscoot actually work. props
They are treating the knife like a lightsaber. they should treat your kicks like a lightsaber too....
@@artygunnar agreed
I had the same reaction when watching this, why do the punches count but the upkicks to the back of the head didn't? Also that musta been one strong dude to reach over an obstacle being shoved into him and then thrusting through the top of your skull, the hardest part of your skull.
I was thinking that when you cant run, cand escape, cant deescalate that using your leggs and heel stijes would be safest especially if you are already wearing boots.
A partial forehead stab that you were pulling away from, and one where you also were blocking the arm/pushing it back? Very seriously doubt that'd be fatal. Agree with you there.
Doctor: what happened?
Man: I’m badly wounded
Doc: how?
Man: I tried stabbing another man
Doc: then?
Man: when I attacked him, he pulled guard
Doc: you seek Jesus not a doctor brother.
I'm on your side, but I can't stand to watch the show. The pros pull their shots, the volunteers act like they weren't hit. I get that they're tough and fast rugby players. Maybe the contestants should have treated them a little rougher?
As the show progressed contestants realized they had to go harder on the volonteers if they wanted to win, but there's a morally dillema there. I had a hard time with it.
He done beat the system.
obviously you can’t simulate these; but what if u we’re allowed to kick to the front of the knee as well ??
I think i could have done a lot of damage if I attacked the knees. I care too much about safety to be on a show like this lol
Dude you were so close to winning. A shame you got hurt and you were a great representative for BJJ
Any experienced martial artist will see the flaws in this scenario training, and their calls of "fatal" for that leg hit and forehead hit are WAY off, imo. The judges should spend some time butchering a deer carcass (and experimenting a little in the process), and would quickly discover that to penetrate the skull with a knife requires a "just right" puncture -- the skull is rounded, designed to deflect penetration. The leg wound? You've got ridiculously muscled legs, and arteries don't just sit there -- they roll and squish and move out of the way. Yes, if the person's knife was shaving sharp (most people can hardly sharpen a knife to tomato-cutting status, lol!), and yes if the angle was again, "just right", but I think you would have survived both of those "fatal" hits with just a good round of stitches.
Most importantly, you tried something experimental. AND it was the very thing that jiujitsu is often criticized for. Personally, I love the energy you brought to this competition, and showed the effectiveness of the art. You're my go-to jiujitsu channel because of your approach, which is rooted in experimentation and continued learning and growth. Way to go, Jordan!
As someone with toddlers, every situation is a no-run situation for me now. I'm just going straight for the suplex now until the kids are fast enough to run for themselves lol
That was cool!
Others had a strategy of trying to match the aggression of the attacker, I wonder if throwing in some imanari rolls would have worked even better. Potentially even more BJJ than pulling guard!
I wondered how badly the helmet would fog up. That would suck. I would think a face cage style would be preferable.
Regarding round 4: I agree you wouldn’t have been dead immediately. It would have just been a long cut on your forehead. However, on this spot you would have bled a lot and this blood would be flooding down over your eyes. With no way to see, being irritated considerably and maybe also panicking as a consequence of that, the cut itself would not be lethal, any follow up would be however within the next seconds…
Today I compete and I did the fake guard pull and win thanks jordan👊
That was sick!!!
why are all the fighters not focusing their attacks or evasions on the knife hand rather than on the person? Is that a rule that you have to fight the person like they don't have a weapon? It seems like it would be more effective if you were able to focus energy on trapping the hand or evading it rather than focusing on the person.
With a slash to the face, your forehead would probably look like Irene Aldana's in last week fight against Norma Dumont on UFC, but i don't see how it would be fatal, i mean, even in thrusting motion, it would probably be very difficult to pierce the forehead without good control. Maybe the judges had a too Hollywoodesque view of knives, where one or thrust kills immediatly.
That vid title is hilarious 😂
It’s difficult to simulate real damage in practice.
A lot, if not most, of those “fatal” knife wounds would likely be easily survivable. I mean try stabbing through a steak with a sharp knife. It’s still not that easy and the attacker glancing a blade across a lethal area doesn’t mean it had the force to do lethal damage.
Hard to measure but one thing is for sure. Avoid knife fights because you’re not going to win even if you win.
Yeah looking back I think you only should have lost one of those rounds which is very impressive.
While I don't think guard is a great first response against a knife I think you proved the value in learning it. One of the things people tend forget is that going to the ground is not always a choice, sometimes you fall or are put there and you need to know how to respond from there (that even happened to you in this challenge if I am not mistaken).
Just here to spread some love after USDC2. Haven't seen episode 5 yet, so can I get a spoiler on whether you managed to participate in the last 2 challenges?
Thanks man! Unfortunately I couldn't continue 😢
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu awww :( sad. You pulling guard on the knife attacker thou... In words of Ranton - that's content. Definitely one of the more epic highlights of Shank Tank.
Also hoping that this was a positive experience overall for you and more colabs will happen after this. At least that was the case after USDC 1
You represented our art well i gained a higher level of respect from you for that bro only a true practitioner would've tried that Oss!
I think if Jordan pulled guard on me I would just turn around and go find a timmys and get coffee and sit there and look into the cup and think about my life choices
I wondered a few times what I would do if I were attacked by a dog. Running is no option as a dog is way faster. In an upright position the dog can pick its choice at where to attack your legs and it can (and will) throw you to the ground where you end up underneath. I think a seated guard wouldn't be such a bad option. The dog will have to face your feet (well, boots) to get to your legs and kicks from that position can be devastating. However, I know too little about dogs to be sure if that would work.
I agree with everything else except for the forehead stab, I’ve seen too many videos of people falling on chopsticks to know that your forehead isn’t as strong as you hope against small piercing objects. If it was a slash then it would’ve been a different story.
I hope you can master that technique
I think you did great. IMO BJJ guys should rather do this, run or bring a knife. Most would try to wrestle though, but then end dying.
Thats was something xDD hey, it work, so good job !
That round was yours IMHO. Even a 22 lr sometimes doesn’t pierce the forehead and instead tunnels inside the skin. An oblique angle like that very unlikely would have pierced the skull
Given the circumstances I thought pulling guard was the best strategy. You’d likely be wearing pants and shoes for greater protection than your torso and it creates more distance between a lot more vital organs. And of course up kicks are more unpredictable and forceful than hand strikes so more likely to knock the knife away or injure the attacker 👍🏻
I also don't think that forehead or thigh cut would have been lethal, they should also factor in how hard the stab/slash was and neither looked fatal
As if 99% of the people belly achin' could do much better 😂 Thanks for testing things out for science!
hahah this is a new level of pulling guard
pulling guard realistically anywhere would just get you killed ESPECIALLY if someones attacking you with a knife, cause 99% of people should have the common sense to just stab your foot, doesnt matter if your corrated artery is stabbed your still getting impaled and sliced by metal its painful regardless and even if they didnt have a knife what stops them from grabbing your feet and draging your around?
Wow!! You are the fucking man. KEEP IT UP!!
Proves a lot of people don’t know $hit about Jiu Jitsu. I love how confused the first attacker was. Did you avoid kicking their knees because you didn’t want to injure them? Anyway good job man.
Up kicks should be a knock out blow. Just saying. We saw that confirmed before. Just saying