It's why hes one of my favorite actors. People always give me sideways looks when I say hes one of the best. Yeah he does alot of weed humor and immature comedy movies.. but when the man has to be serious he is amazing at it. Plus his overall acting is just good even in those more immature movies
He stood his ground with a top 10 actor alive right now lol. It's pretty crazy. Fassbender didn't have many lines, but he still does exceptionally well with little lines... And Seth really took this scene to the next level. Seth is not an amazing actor, but he did really well here imo.
There are a couple of recycled moments in this from The West Wing. This is one of them. But typically, the great stuff is worth recycling because it works in different contexts.
@atkascha And yet Apple purchased NeXT in 1997 for $427 million, which included 1.5 million shares of Apple stock. Calculate how much thats worth today. As part of the deal, Steve Jobs, then the chairman and CEO of NeXT, was given an advisory role at Apple. Also, NeXT's operating system was ported to Macintosh hardware and combined with the classic Mac OS operating system, to create the first versions of Mac OS X (later called macOS).
@atkascha Double wrong in one comment. Stated a fact of NeXT making steve job money selling it. The other Im cheap, love to save my money. It was horribly overpriced, but not awful computer it solved alot of problems of how the computer should be with its programs. Its why apple wanted it and the rights to those programs.
"You're going to get killed. And I came here to stand next to you while that happens because that's what friends do. That's what men do. I don't need your pass." Jesus Christ, I wish I could be half as loyal and good as Woz.
@@Enthusiastlist That was made up for the movie. There was no way thats how it actually happened, in real life the timeline of events were different. Jobs would need to predict the future to an incredible degree for this to have been true, or have the most amazing luck in the world.
Ever notice how loyalty is typically something weaker and poor people promote? It’s like you feel obligated and forced to stay in an abusive relationship because you have to remain “loyal.” The most successful people are grateful for the positive influences on their lives but they also adapt and have to move out of bad situations.
@@jamestopoleski9255 It’s more that Woz said the arguments between the two throughout the film more-or-less condensed their numerous clashes and disagreements over the years.
I think jobs always apricated Woznick because he was a co founder, not just that, but he knows that without Woz, he would not of gotten as far as he did, And i think Woz feels the same with Steve, they both appreciated each other and their specialises.
Woz is an innovative, engineering genius, yet he cannot "see" how his watch could be interpreted as a bomb. Fictional moment, probably, but it's a great example of the powerful difference between the two men. It's also a great example of why those differences created such a great duo. They needed each other to become what they became.
Can't say the scene itself actually happened, but I'm pretty sure I recall seeing photos of a prototype watch like that which Woz had allegedly designed...
@@Smithy250 Yep. Reminds me of the episode of Silicon Valley where Richard couldn't figure out why people didn't like to use Piped Piper. It was because he approached it as an engineer rather than a regular user.
If woz really wanted to know how dumb the common man is and how easy they need things to be he should have spent a year working in retail. You really get to understand how little most people are willing to do and what intimidates them
Seth Rogen killed this one. I mean, I dunno if this is accurate to how the actual Woz behaves, but this certainly shows how an outburst looks like, by a person who calmly compromises with many of life's injustice and unfairness, despite being the most instrumental in the success of a venture. Jobs was a good orchestra conductor, no doubt. But try conducting an orchestra without the most important musician. All he wanted, Woz, was for Jobs to acknowledge the Apple II team. Was that so hard?
I did hear once from a video that Woz said he couldn’t imagine talking to Steve in this way, but he loved the scene for what it was anyway. I was told Woz was more of a gentle person who wouldn’t argue with others, at least from what I’ve heard
"But try conducting an orchestra without the most important musician. " Unless all the other musicians are terrible, it still sounds fine. I get what you were trying to say... but its not accurate.
@@trixxarpar4241 I Mean, it can sound okay, but first chair is really imnportant in an orchestra, not only do they do most of the heavy lifting in terms of individual sections, but they also influence their entire row.
@@aaa.internet7014 late to the party, but that's why I don't buy this scene. Yes, Rogan and Fassbender are skilled actors, but I don't believe for one moment this is how the real Wozniak acts now can I buy Fassbender being Jobs whe. All I can hear is that accent of his. This is why I preferred the 1st movie, even if the 1st one had some flaws to it.
"you cant write code, youre not an engineer, youre not a designer" truer things of the most untrue person. he is a puppeteer not a genius artist or a amazing person.
@@dudetocartman read walter isaacson's autobiography of him, its a really good read. he met unique people with visions and coat tailed on their imagination patenting as his own fabrication.
I massively disagree with this. Comedic actors very rarely succeed in drama, or vice versa. And I'm not sure if Rogen is even a comedic actor to begin with, or that his performance here is evidentiary towards either argument, or that it assists or counters any point at all. But in any case, certainly, the two kinds do not mix.
@@Ahjile estas muy mal, la comedia es un genero dramatico que necesita mas practica y mas hablidad para llevar acabo los comediantes y los actores en peliculas dramaticas no son muy distintos uno del otro incluso me atreveria a decir que la comedia cuesta mucho mas que llorar en una pelicula porque hacer llorar a una persona es facil hacerla reir es complicado
When Woz mentioned the condescending remark, Jobs confusedly responds with "I didn't want to see you get dragged off the airplane in plastic handcuffs" because he thought Woz was still talking about his criticism of the watch. He literally didn't understand how giving Woz a "free pass for life" could sound condescending so his brain skipped over it.
It is actually not as bad as it sounds. What Woz heard was that Jobs is just going to let anything he does slide because he is a benevolent friend. What Jobs meant (at least as how I interpret it) is that because they have such a long relationship, that he will never stay mad at him no matter what he does.
Invented? No. Anyway, Wozniak said that the technology was invented 40years ago. Do you even pay attention? Excuse me flight attendant, Glitch Modulator appears to be detonating a bomb
“You can’t write code… you’re not an engineer, you’re not a designer, you can’t put a hammer to a nail!” To this day, that is still the sentiment of programmers and engineers towards the business side of the tech industry. But honestly, I think that for every eager, humble and innovative engineer, there needs to be a shrewd, manipulative, marketing genius to make a product fly off the shelves. Apple would never be the giant is today if not for BOTH Woz and Jobs.
Your not wrong, as bad as jobs is, it’s his strategy and attitude that made apple what it is today. You can be the smartest and most gifted person in the room, but it will mean nothing if you don’t get out there and apply yourself. Jobs was that guy, he had no skills other than to be an idealist, and get people to push the limits of what they could do. You see it all the time with companies. As painful as it is to admit, the pack only responds to an alpha and jobs was an alpha.
Common in many professions. Doctors have no respect for the business leaders who make things work. People often dont see the skills they lack and obsess about their own skills.
Well, there are not too many genius businessmen, so I cannot give you many examples of them who get fired from their own companies. But there is no reason why a genius businessman cannot be fired from his own company.
Steve Jobs was good at marketing... but that was it. Wozniak was always the "genious" one. But people don't see that. they only see Jobs standing alone eating some Pretentious fruit.
Sadly there was also a guy name Ronald Wayne who don't give a damn about business & missed a lifetime opportunity. He's the embodiment of failure to take risk leads to failure in life.
Which paid off. Apple purchased NeXT in 1997 for $427 million, which included 1.5 million shares of Apple stock. Calculate how much thats worth today. As part of the deal, Steve Jobs, then the chairman and CEO of NeXT, was given an advisory role at Apple. Also, NeXT's operating system was ported to Macintosh hardware and combined with the classic Mac OS operating system, to create the first versions of Mac OS X (later called macOS).
I can only imagine serious roles probably take A LOT out of actors, no matter how amazing the result of it may be. It's a lot easier to be a stoner goofball looking like they're being themselves and having fun on camera rather than having to make artificial emotions and trauma seem real.
2:25 If you ever wonder why school and hospitals cost so much. Jobs was not talented in the world of technology. He was talented in business and recognizing an idea to make it marketable. He just happened to go to school in technology and bump into the right group of kids.
man if rogan could just stop doing stoner comedy he could actually make a great career for himself. He has what it takes to be dramatic. When I heard he was cast for this film I shook my head but was blown away when i saw him not being what i expected.
The constant adjustment of his glasses in this scene is such an incredibly useful movement to subtly emphasize the dialogue. Props to Seth Rogen for pulling off the role so well. Great work.
its just a pretentious way of saying "i'm a businessman". thats all he was really, a very good and successful businessman, and strategist. people attribute Apple's product design and innovations in UX/usability to him, but he wasn't even responsible for that.
Steve Jobs was the leader. He had the vision and business acumen, if it wasn't for him Woz's creations would have been little more than garage hobbies, as Woz has said himself. It takes a genius to create and successfully operate such a large entity like Apple, just not the type of genius that neckbeards in this community look up to.
@@conventional124 Sure, indirectly, and "responsible" in a diluted sense after being sifted through layers of management and employee labor to the point where his influence is barely existent. The "orchestrator" analogy is self-absorbed self-aggrandizing and marketers and CEOs (like Jobs) use it to instill in their workers the idea that no one else can do what they do. It's BS marketer speak. The fact that people fall for it only helps fuel the egos of narcissists.
@@cm9241 You can never know. Conservatives have their own streaming service and movies where failed or cancelled Hollywood actors and wannabe actors get job
I like their faces at 0:24 - Woz really likes it and Steve is not impressed at all. This scene is great for highlighting the two different aspects of their characters, the leader of the orchestra and the leading musician.
he didn't even call him the leading musician. and what Jobs didn't get it that the conductor is not the star. the soloist is. and most only care about the music. as it should be.
By rearranging, by being selective, by crediting them with more insight they'd actually had at a given moment. Before chess engines brought some objectivity, the last problem was known as "annotating by result". Annotators would consider some dubious moves as brilliant because the player ended up winning the game. Whereas they could have been gambles or outright serious (which the opponent failed to capitalize on before returning the favour), because the final result made them biased. A desperate attempt to muddy the waters may look like someone had foreseen everything to the very end, when it succeeds
Steve was a genius because at the time, computers were made by geeks for geeks. It was all about the technology. Steve was determined to make a computer that was about the person using it. And that person can be anybody. even a nine yo girl. He knew exactly how to orchestrate the people around him to reach that goal.
That is actually a field within business known as marketing. It isn't genius to be able to market, Steve did it exceptionally but there was more luck than genius to the ridiculous proportions that Apple rose to. That is, if you aren't taking into account riding on other peoples coat tails or just stealing work.
Seth Rogen HAS to be The Thing in the MCU. Beef him up a little bit. He doesn’t need a v-cut or a 6 pack. He’s Jewish, he’s funny, he can be gruff and emotional as seen here. It’s perfect.
I've...I've imagined what it's like to see pure genius on film. I've even dreamed about it. But to see Seth Rogan exploring every frame that he exists in...to see him own every cell of every image....is there even a way to describe how good he is? It's beyond art - that much is obvious. What transcends art? To see him on camera is to watch a nucleus being born and destroyed every second. Bless him for giving us this gift.
Damn dude… it’s a fantastic performance but it’s really not that deep. Even Marlon Brando type performances aren’t that deep. Great actors are typically intuitively performing. They have an idea based on the script and direction, as to how the character should behave, and they put certain aspects of their own character in their scenes. It’s why I love Jon Bernthals acting so much. Every performance has his own personality beneath it, yet it feels so genuine and accurate. But calling this “beyond art” sounds like you were tripping on acid while watching this movie. It’s a great performance, incredibly well written. But it’s not some otherworldly transcendental thing beyond art.
I met Woz when I was sixteen and can genuinely say he was a good guy. You get vibes off of people and Woz treated sixteen year old me like I was an adult and had great conversation with me while at the Tech TV studios. I met Woz and Kevin Mitnick on the same day.
did anyone notice how the first dialogue interaction is the answer to the question asked in the last line? and how the central dialogue is the key to the success of the prop that introduces the dialogue in the first place? this is why Sorkin has an academy award
I adore that Woz says "the way our minds work" when he explains how the watch works, because it's like he's appealing to that inhumanly human genius that Jobs brought to the table. Jobs always thought in terms of how humans would interface with the technology he marketed, and Woz is proud that he has something that Jobs would approve of because it displays the time in what he considers the most human order possible. It makes it even more heartbreaking when Jobs tears the watch apart through that same human lens. The watch may be a feat of engineering that has flashes of humanity, but it's still not enough for Steve Jobs.
I look at it the other way Steve Jobs has an insecurity that like Woz says "He does nothing". The watch clearly wasn't going to take over the world in that iteration but Digital Watches did soon after. A good designer would have looked at that and thought "How can I make it so it's user friendly" and arrived at the liquid crystal design. Steve Jobs looked at it and went "It's not my idea so I'll tear it apart" Woz wasn't looking for something that would sell right away He was sharing something cool with his friend as an olive branch. Jobs took that and threw it in his face
@@thebobbrom7176 the same way he detracted technologies of competitors, before going the same route. at least that is fair game i marketing strategies, but testimonials from different sources suggest that was just his personality. if this scene has a kernel of truth, he did it to his friends as well.
A genius businessman or a genius ceo comes to mind. Consider that apple spent on a 9page ad selling their computers before jobs reentered the company. Upon his return their advertising language got reduced from 9 pages of technical specs that no one outside of nasa could appreciate to two words. Think Different. Jobs did that because he realized the power of story telling during his time at pixar. Man plays the orchestra, sees the parts and creates the whole.
He wasn't a programmer, but Jobs was still crucial. Having a great idea means absolutely nothing if you don't have vision and direction. You also need to know how to pitch and market that idea to people. If good ideas were enough, then every talented artist would be famous.
i have a quote that one of my early mentors told me, that i think perfectly sums up this scene. "those who know how will always work for those who know why it matters."
More accurately those who know how will always work for those whi claim to know why it matters. You don't have to know what you're doing, you just have to put on an air of authority to induce the herd response.
Most realistic argument acting I ve seen. Most people start panting and looking for their words when they argue, he manage to do this AND show coherence, but also that he cares about his friend and that he's an actual genius. All in one scene.
“What do you do?” Is the perfect line. Jobs wasn’t an engineer, he didn’t write code, he wasn’t a genius. People like Jobs and Musk get called genius for “leading the orchestra” but they’re not. That’s the biggest trick that’s been played on us, having us believe that the “idea” man is smarter than the engineers. At least Jobs was successful i guess.
This scene illustrates why Jobs was so essential to rolling out these geniuses' like Woz's new age technology to a marketplace conditioned society. Jobs was a brilliant businessman and marketer with an unreal sense of what the people wanted to see and experience. He was vital
I wish Steve Jobs was around for this movie. I doubt it would be strong enough to get through his ego, but it would be beautiful for him to see everyone around him that realize it.
It is kind of weird seeing Seth plays a serious role because, I'm used to see him in comedy movies. Think of Jim Carrey, he wasn't only able to make you laugh, he was also to make you cry. Actually, a few days ago I saw The Majestic, which I found a beautiful masterpiece.
Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs sucked and didn't deserve anything missed the point. It was his ability to lead and innovate and truly understand a product was what made him a Genius.
Oh now I realize why people hate Jobs. Because most of us are the Woz and we hate not being appreciated for the hard work we put in, and somehow this guy gets more credit. But again, if Jobs was really easy to replicate everyone would do it.
@@ltzp2 Nothing to do with luck and everything to do with vision, drive, and understanding of business and marketing. Watch his videos in 1997 about NEXT and the cloud. He was so far ahead and talked about how important cloud storage will become and made early prototypes of being able to access your files from home or work almost instantly.
Woz was a consultant on this movie - but he didn't really do much to correct the artistic liberties Sorkin took. According to the consensus of those involved, the most accurate portrayal of the Apple/MS startup & PC war era is Pirates of Silicon Valley.
"Don't talk to me like I'm other people" I do love Sorkin but that line always drags me right out of the story because it's just so Sorkin. It kills the suspension of disbelief a little.
@@davidf2244 Oh I know all about the Sorkinisms, normally I don't mind them, I mean I'm a big Alan Bennett fan and he's got a similar distinctive style, it's just this one line that really bothers me for some weird reason. I've no idea why.
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I'd love to see Seth do more dramatic stuff like this, he was brilliant in this movie.
he'll be like the next robin williams, going from comedy to more serious, but still some comedy
yeah too bad he seems more comfortable playing essentially the same part in everything he does.
@@venomtang Robin Williams was a classically trained actor. He went to The Juilliard School
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Don't compare Robin Williams to that pot head bum.
It's why hes one of my favorite actors. People always give me sideways looks when I say hes one of the best. Yeah he does alot of weed humor and immature comedy movies.. but when the man has to be serious he is amazing at it. Plus his overall acting is just good even in those more immature movies
seth rogen is a ridiculously good actor. you can hear the genuine emotion.
Something New Weird, I was thinking the exact same thing just now
He really should take more roles like this. Sure, he can do comedy, but he's really good here.
Nathan Huntsman You're projecting. The writer of the script gets credit for this one. You are just hero worshipping.
He stood his ground with a top 10 actor alive right now lol. It's pretty crazy. Fassbender didn't have many lines, but he still does exceptionally well with little lines... And Seth really took this scene to the next level. Seth is not an amazing actor, but he did really well here imo.
Dennis Reynolds I always said Fassbender should’ve won the Oscar. Seth Rogen was incredible. But Fassbender, he WAS Steve Jobs.
“You’re gonna get killed. And I came here to stand next to you while that happens ‘cause that’s what friends do.” Such a powerful statement
I just clicked like to be number 1000 ;-)
A good friend would find a way to save him.
There are a couple of recycled moments in this from The West Wing. This is one of them. But typically, the great stuff is worth recycling because it works in different contexts.
@atkascha And yet Apple purchased NeXT in 1997 for $427 million, which included 1.5 million shares of Apple stock. Calculate how much thats worth today. As part of the deal, Steve Jobs, then the chairman and CEO of NeXT, was given an advisory role at Apple. Also, NeXT's operating system was ported to Macintosh hardware and combined with the classic Mac OS operating system, to create the first versions of Mac OS X (later called macOS).
@atkascha Double wrong in one comment. Stated a fact of NeXT making steve job money selling it. The other Im cheap, love to save my money. It was horribly overpriced, but not awful computer it solved alot of problems of how the computer should be with its programs. Its why apple wanted it and the rights to those programs.
"You're going to get killed. And I came here to stand next to you while that happens because that's what friends do. That's what men do. I don't need your pass."
Jesus Christ, I wish I could be half as loyal and good as Woz.
William McCormick they created something that changed the world like the Beatles. Even though they broke up they still were friends.
Steve knew it was going to fail, he did this to get Apple to buy out neXT
@@Enthusiastlist That was made up for the movie. There was no way thats how it actually happened, in real life the timeline of events were different. Jobs would need to predict the future to an incredible degree for this to have been true, or have the most amazing luck in the world.
Conor Owens Maybe I’m not sure, read that online somewhere.
Ever notice how loyalty is typically something weaker and poor people promote? It’s like you feel obligated and forced to stay in an abusive relationship because you have to remain “loyal.” The most successful people are grateful for the positive influences on their lives but they also adapt and have to move out of bad situations.
I admire how Wozniak actually had the balls to stand up to Jobs. He was probably one of the only ones Jobs truly respected
@@jamestopoleski9255 Christ, I feel that. I wish I’d stood up for myself several times in my life.
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It’s more that Woz said the arguments between the two throughout the film more-or-less condensed their numerous clashes and disagreements over the years.
I think jobs always apricated Woznick because he was a co founder, not just that, but he knows that without Woz, he would not of gotten as far as he did, And i think Woz feels the same with Steve, they both appreciated each other and their specialises.
I don't think so.
Jobs was a complete sociopath and narcissist. I do not think that he was capable of respect of anyone.
Steve knew without woz he'd have nothing to sell, but woz needed Steve to sell it.
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Woz is an innovative, engineering genius, yet he cannot "see" how his watch could be interpreted as a bomb. Fictional moment, probably, but it's a great example of the powerful difference between the two men. It's also a great example of why those differences created such a great duo. They needed each other to become what they became.
Can't say the scene itself actually happened, but I'm pretty sure I recall seeing photos of a prototype watch like that which Woz had allegedly designed...
He sees it through an engineer's eyes but jobs sees it through the eyes of the people because that's who he is. A marketer
@@Smithy250 Yep. Reminds me of the episode of Silicon Valley where Richard couldn't figure out why people didn't like to use Piped Piper. It was because he approached it as an engineer rather than a regular user.
If woz really wanted to know how dumb the common man is and how easy they need things to be he should have spent a year working in retail. You really get to understand how little most people are willing to do and what intimidates them
Your comment is an excellent interpretation of this scene, and I think you are totally accurate .
Seth Rogen killed this one. I mean, I dunno if this is accurate to how the actual Woz behaves, but this certainly shows how an outburst looks like, by a person who calmly compromises with many of life's injustice and unfairness, despite being the most instrumental in the success of a venture.
Jobs was a good orchestra conductor, no doubt. But try conducting an orchestra without the most important musician.
All he wanted, Woz, was for Jobs to acknowledge the Apple II team. Was that so hard?
Woz is legit this nerdy (demonstrated in the first seconds). And his speech patterns, god it's so uncanny
I did hear once from a video that Woz said he couldn’t imagine talking to Steve in this way, but he loved the scene for what it was anyway. I was told Woz was more of a gentle person who wouldn’t argue with others, at least from what I’ve heard
"But try conducting an orchestra without the most important musician. " Unless all the other musicians are terrible, it still sounds fine. I get what you were trying to say... but its not accurate.
@@trixxarpar4241 I Mean, it can sound okay, but first chair is really imnportant in an orchestra, not only do they do most of the heavy lifting in terms of individual sections, but they also influence their entire row.
@@aaa.internet7014 late to the party, but that's why I don't buy this scene. Yes, Rogan and Fassbender are skilled actors, but I don't believe for one moment this is how the real Wozniak acts now can I buy Fassbender being Jobs whe. All I can hear is that accent of his. This is why I preferred the 1st movie, even if the 1st one had some flaws to it.
This scene Seth rogen nailed it and stole the show
Nah, but that last line though. He sank both their ships.
@@chendaddy opinions. Ever heard of it?
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"you cant write code, youre not an engineer, youre not a designer" truer things of the most untrue person. he is a puppeteer not a genius artist or a amazing person.
Well he is a unique person with a vision.
@@dudetocartman read walter isaacson's autobiography of him, its a really good read. he met unique people with visions and coat tailed on their imagination patenting as his own fabrication.
@@brandoncamarillomusic He was the modern day Thomas Edison
@@steeltimberwolf Thomas Edison, at least had some technical know how
@@steeltimberwolf Hear, hear.
Comedic actors flow so naturally into drama. I'm guessing because they both rely so heavily on timing and delivery.
its cause Comedy and drama are the same things. That's why you see the laughing and crying face in that old sculpture. Its about presentation.
@@BlackHippy313 Pretty sure it's the timing and delivery.
Comedians are smart people, and nobody smart enough can be truly happy. They know drama inside out.
I massively disagree with this. Comedic actors very rarely succeed in drama, or vice versa. And I'm not sure if Rogen is even a comedic actor to begin with, or that his performance here is evidentiary
towards either argument, or that it assists or counters any point at all. But in any case, certainly, the two kinds do not mix.
@@Ahjile estas muy mal, la comedia es un genero dramatico que necesita mas practica y mas hablidad para llevar acabo los comediantes y los actores en peliculas dramaticas no son muy distintos uno del otro incluso me atreveria a decir que la comedia cuesta mucho mas que llorar en una pelicula porque hacer llorar a una persona es facil hacerla reir es complicado
When Woz mentioned the condescending remark, Jobs confusedly responds with "I didn't want to see you get dragged off the airplane in plastic handcuffs" because he thought Woz was still talking about his criticism of the watch.
He literally didn't understand how giving Woz a "free pass for life" could sound condescending so his brain skipped over it.
the reality distortion field at work?
He's not even technically allowed to give anyone the n-word pass anyway.
It is actually not as bad as it sounds. What Woz heard was that Jobs is just going to let anything he does slide because he is a benevolent friend. What Jobs meant (at least as how I interpret it) is that because they have such a long relationship, that he will never stay mad at him no matter what he does.
Wozniak invented the Apple Watch....
Lmao
Invented? No.
Anyway, Wozniak said that the technology was invented 40years ago.
Do you even pay attention?
Excuse me flight attendant, Glitch Modulator appears to be detonating a bomb
Funny thing, I think that "bomb" ended up becoming an inspiration for the Apple Watch (god, I hate that thing).
@@aurelianspodarec2629 he ment the technology that he used to make the watch was invented 40 years ago but he invented the actual watch
I mean... he wore a cool watch. I hardly think that classified him as the inspiration for the thing.
"Musicians play their instruments. I play the orchestra"
it's a cool line, but in the real world the orchestra conductors are not dictators.
Reno Yeh Really?
Uh yeah they can be.
Such a great line
spoken like the sweat shop admin he was
“You can’t write code… you’re not an engineer, you’re not a designer, you can’t put a hammer to a nail!”
To this day, that is still the sentiment of programmers and engineers towards the business side of the tech industry.
But honestly, I think that for every eager, humble and innovative engineer, there needs to be a shrewd, manipulative, marketing genius to make a product fly off the shelves. Apple would never be the giant is today if not for BOTH Woz and Jobs.
Your not wrong, as bad as jobs is, it’s his strategy and attitude that made apple what it is today. You can be the smartest and most gifted person in the room, but it will mean nothing if you don’t get out there and apply yourself. Jobs was that guy, he had no skills other than to be an idealist, and get people to push the limits of what they could do. You see it all the time with companies. As painful as it is to admit, the pack only responds to an alpha and jobs was an alpha.
Problem is, its usually the marketers like Jobs that get remembered and have all the credit, not the people behind the scenes.
This is why I'd choose Elon over a hack like Steve Jobs anytime of the day
Common in many professions. Doctors have no respect for the business leaders who make things work. People often dont see the skills they lack and obsess about their own skills.
@@theroebuck123456789 I’ll agree when Elon releases an affordable Tesla
I think Sorkin would dry up and drop dead on the spot if they took away his "Don't talk to me like I'm other people" line. He uses it everywhere.
Teddy KGB examples?
Danny Concannon said it to CJ on The West Wing. I can find the episode if you need.
There's entire clip montages of recycled Sorkinisms.
Teddy KGB Well looks like it works every time
@@jstone98 Abbey says it to Toby after the third inaugural speech as well.
The delivery of that "Why has Lisa not heard of me?" line makes me incredibly sad.
I honestly think Woz is Seth Rogans best role.
"youre gonna get killed and i came here to stand next to you because thats what friends do...thats what Men do." Powerful Seth Rogan.
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it's funny how many people think steve jobs was a tech genius, he was only a business man
No, He wasn't even a good business man, he was just a really good liar and thief.
how many genius business man get fired of their own companies?? :P
Well, there are not too many genius businessmen, so I cannot give you many examples of them who get fired from their own companies. But there is no reason why a genius businessman cannot be fired from his own company.
evenisher Wozniak is a legend
He was a genius at marketing.Thats it.
Steve Jobs was good at marketing... but that was it. Wozniak was always the "genious" one. But people don't see that. they only see Jobs standing alone eating some Pretentious fruit.
Well, a company needs a leader. That is not only marketing you know. Woz was great and so was Jobs, albeit on different things.
Sadly there was also a guy name Ronald Wayne who don't give a damn about business & missed a lifetime opportunity. He's the embodiment of failure to take risk leads to failure in life.
Like a pear
Wozniak hasn’t done anything since
"some Pretentious fruit" I think it's called an apple.
“Good artists copy, great artists steal”
-Steve Jobs
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isnt that stravinsky
I think thats the point guys
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This is a favourite line of Aaron Sorkin (screenwriter). He also used in the West Wing.
I could cry when he says what do you do. Seth that was a good line.
Indeed.
"That's what men do" such good foreshadowing for Steve saying that exact thing a couple of minutes later to Scully.
Exactly. I think it also shows how much Steve respected Woz in that moment because he just stood there and took it. Great writing!
Another thing he stole from him
seth rogen gave a great performance of a hard working programmer
Wozniak was much more of a hardware than software guy.. While he did do some programming, that's not where his genius was
The best part of the movie is Jobs' admission he started Next out of a strategic revenge play. Beyond brilliant. RIP, Steve.
Which paid off. Apple purchased NeXT in 1997 for $427 million, which included 1.5 million shares of Apple stock. Calculate how much thats worth today. As part of the deal, Steve Jobs, then the chairman and CEO of NeXT, was given an advisory role at Apple. Also, NeXT's operating system was ported to Macintosh hardware and combined with the classic Mac OS operating system, to create the first versions of Mac OS X (later called macOS).
I don't care if the film might be slightly inaccurate, but the writing is ingenious, the direction is solid and the performances are riveting.
As great as the dialogue is in this movie, what’s most impressive is how it’s used. Each beat and each silence plays a part. A well-oiled machine.
Why doesn't Seth do more dramas like this????
I can only imagine serious roles probably take A LOT out of actors, no matter how amazing the result of it may be. It's a lot easier to be a stoner goofball looking like they're being themselves and having fun on camera rather than having to make artificial emotions and trauma seem real.
he's usually busy creaming his pants
Because it is difficult and dont get paid much. He dont have to act much in comedy and it makes a lot of money
He’s too busy arguing with people on Twitter about politics I don’t know the last movie I’ve seen him do
@@habibthesloth9559 thats like saying he can't handle being a good actor. Which I don't disagree with
2:25 If you ever wonder why school and hospitals cost so much.
Jobs was not talented in the world of technology. He was talented in business and recognizing an idea to make it marketable. He just happened to go to school in technology and bump into the right group of kids.
" you think this looks like a bomb"
"Right now, I'm not entirely sure isn't"
*watch starts buzzing😂
man if rogan could just stop doing stoner comedy he could actually make a great career for himself. He has what it takes to be dramatic. When I heard he was cast for this film I shook my head but was blown away when i saw him not being what i expected.
The constant adjustment of his glasses in this scene is such an incredibly useful movement to subtly emphasize the dialogue. Props to Seth Rogen for pulling off the role so well. Great work.
its just a pretentious way of saying "i'm a businessman". thats all he was really, a very good and successful businessman, and strategist. people attribute Apple's product design and innovations in UX/usability to him, but he wasn't even responsible for that.
Steve Jobs was the leader. He had the vision and business acumen, if it wasn't for him Woz's creations would have been little more than garage hobbies, as Woz has said himself. It takes a genius to create and successfully operate such a large entity like Apple, just not the type of genius that neckbeards in this community look up to.
@@conventional124 Sure, indirectly, and "responsible" in a diluted sense after being sifted through layers of management and employee labor to the point where his influence is barely existent. The "orchestrator" analogy is self-absorbed self-aggrandizing and marketers and CEOs (like Jobs) use it to instill in their workers the idea that no one else can do what they do. It's BS marketer speak. The fact that people fall for it only helps fuel the egos of narcissists.
@Selim Sultan Akbar I think what I wrote was pretty clear. What about it do you not understand?
@Selim Sultan Akbar no u
Agreed the American worship of business guys and cut throats is why we have monsters running our country
0:41 The way he sounds here, I feel Michael Fassbender is going to end up playing Jordan Peterson in a biopic 😂
Jordan Peterson isnt important enough to get a biopic
@@cm9241 You can never know. Conservatives have their own streaming service and movies where failed or cancelled Hollywood actors and wannabe actors get job
Certainly he isn't worthy of a biopic with an A-list actor. Kevin Sorbo can play him.
Such an underrated film. An acting clinic by Fassbender, Rogen, and Winslet.
I like their faces at 0:24 - Woz really likes it and Steve is not impressed at all. This scene is great for highlighting the two different aspects of their characters, the leader of the orchestra and the leading musician.
Great eye! Didn’t notice this
he didn't even call him the leading musician. and what Jobs didn't get it that the conductor is not the star.
the soloist is. and most only care about the music.
as it should be.
I love the sound it makes as he unscrews it.
...a perfect COOOOB.
Just shows how many faces we have in life. A biography could make a man look great or a jerk just by rearranging his life events.
By rearranging, by being selective, by crediting them with more insight they'd actually had at a given moment.
Before chess engines brought some objectivity, the last problem was known as "annotating by result".
Annotators would consider some dubious moves as brilliant because the player ended up winning the game. Whereas they could have been gambles or outright serious (which the opponent failed to capitalize on before returning the favour), because the final result made them biased.
A desperate attempt to muddy the waters may look like someone had foreseen everything to the very end, when it succeeds
Aaron Sorkin writes some killer dialogue.
Some people have friends like that, and not treasure them.
What a waste.
In this scene, Rogen absolutely nailed the essence of Woz.
This scene really rips your heart out.
What a wonderful film!
Steve Jobs: "Tell me something else I don't know"
Wozniak: "In four years after your death, the apple watch will come out"
"You're the best in your row"
Buddy, Woz is the solist violin
I honestly hear "best in your *role*" not row.
Seth rogen's best dramatic performance by far. He is brilliant in this movie.
Poor Woz he has such a good soul.
Steve was a genius because at the time, computers were made by geeks for geeks. It was all about the technology. Steve was determined to make a computer that was about the person using it. And that person can be anybody. even a nine yo girl.
He knew exactly how to orchestrate the people around him to reach that goal.
That is actually a field within business known as marketing. It isn't genius to be able to market, Steve did it exceptionally but there was more luck than genius to the ridiculous proportions that Apple rose to. That is, if you aren't taking into account riding on other peoples coat tails or just stealing work.
Austen McKee stfu Steve was a genius
More like Bully
the constant fidgeting with his hands, constantly messing with his glasses, the breaks in his voice... amazing acting
Seth Rogen HAS to be The Thing in the MCU. Beef him up a little bit. He doesn’t need a v-cut or a 6 pack. He’s Jewish, he’s funny, he can be gruff and emotional as seen here. It’s perfect.
f mcu.
I've...I've imagined what it's like to see pure genius on film. I've even dreamed about it. But to see Seth Rogan exploring every frame that he exists in...to see him own every cell of every image....is there even a way to describe how good he is? It's beyond art - that much is obvious. What transcends art? To see him on camera is to watch a nucleus being born and destroyed every second. Bless him for giving us this gift.
How high are you?
Damn dude… it’s a fantastic performance but it’s really not that deep. Even Marlon Brando type performances aren’t that deep. Great actors are typically intuitively performing. They have an idea based on the script and direction, as to how the character should behave, and they put certain aspects of their own character in their scenes. It’s why I love Jon Bernthals acting so much. Every performance has his own personality beneath it, yet it feels so genuine and accurate.
But calling this “beyond art” sounds like you were tripping on acid while watching this movie. It’s a great performance, incredibly well written. But it’s not some otherworldly transcendental thing beyond art.
I met Woz when I was sixteen and can genuinely say he was a good guy. You get vibes off of people and Woz treated sixteen year old me like I was an adult and had great conversation with me while at the Tech TV studios. I met Woz and Kevin Mitnick on the same day.
did anyone notice how the first dialogue interaction is the answer to the question asked in the last line?
and how the central dialogue is the key to the success of the prop that introduces the dialogue in the first place?
this is why Sorkin has an academy award
every single dialogue in this movie is operatic music
Woz is definitely the most innovative person in personal computing for sure
I adore that Woz says "the way our minds work" when he explains how the watch works, because it's like he's appealing to that inhumanly human genius that Jobs brought to the table. Jobs always thought in terms of how humans would interface with the technology he marketed, and Woz is proud that he has something that Jobs would approve of because it displays the time in what he considers the most human order possible. It makes it even more heartbreaking when Jobs tears the watch apart through that same human lens. The watch may be a feat of engineering that has flashes of humanity, but it's still not enough for Steve Jobs.
I look at it the other way
Steve Jobs has an insecurity that like Woz says "He does nothing".
The watch clearly wasn't going to take over the world in that iteration but Digital Watches did soon after.
A good designer would have looked at that and thought "How can I make it so it's user friendly" and arrived at the liquid crystal design.
Steve Jobs looked at it and went "It's not my idea so I'll tear it apart"
Woz wasn't looking for something that would sell right away
He was sharing something cool with his friend as an olive branch.
Jobs took that and threw it in his face
@@thebobbrom7176 the same way he detracted technologies of competitors, before going the same route.
at least that is fair game i marketing strategies, but testimonials from different sources suggest that was just his personality. if this scene has a kernel of truth, he did it to his friends as well.
@@thebobbrom7176 Saving this
It’s crazy how people to this day still see Steve Jobs as a genios when he really wasn’t
A genius businessman or a genius ceo comes to mind.
Consider that apple spent on a 9page ad selling their computers before jobs reentered the company. Upon his return their advertising language got reduced from 9 pages of technical specs that no one outside of nasa could appreciate to two words. Think Different.
Jobs did that because he realized the power of story telling during his time at pixar.
Man plays the orchestra, sees the parts and creates the whole.
Yet what has Woz done without jobs? He was a genius, a genius leader, innovative thinker etc.
He wasn't a programmer, but Jobs was still crucial. Having a great idea means absolutely nothing if you don't have vision and direction. You also need to know how to pitch and market that idea to people. If good ideas were enough, then every talented artist would be famous.
This was like seeing Jonah Hill become Peter Brand in Moneyball. Seth Rogen is an incredible actor
I can’t stop watching Seth Rogan in this movie, he’s so good
i have a quote that one of my early mentors told me, that i think perfectly sums up this scene.
"those who know how will always work for those who know why it matters."
More accurately those who know how will always work for those whi claim to know why it matters. You don't have to know what you're doing, you just have to put on an air of authority to induce the herd response.
Everyone needs Woz like friend!
Just adding another comment about Seth Rogen. Dude, he plays this role flawlessly.
“Don’t talk to me like I’m other people”
Classic Aaron Sorkin dialogue
This man built a cube betting all his money on it with the intent of NOT selling it.
BUT with a plan in his mind. Talking about determination.
Most realistic argument acting I ve seen.
Most people start panting and looking for their words when they argue, he manage to do this AND show coherence, but also that he cares about his friend and that he's an actual genius. All in one scene.
That little moment from Seth before he admits he was angry and he’s just tapping on the watch
"This guy here is someone you invented."
“What do you do?” Is the perfect line. Jobs wasn’t an engineer, he didn’t write code, he wasn’t a genius. People like Jobs and Musk get called genius for “leading the orchestra” but they’re not. That’s the biggest trick that’s been played on us, having us believe that the “idea” man is smarter than the engineers. At least Jobs was successful i guess.
"Everyone's gonna be wearing these in ten years."
"They're operating at a 140 volts."
This scene illustrates why Jobs was so essential to rolling out these geniuses' like Woz's new age technology to a marketplace conditioned society. Jobs was a brilliant businessman and marketer with an unreal sense of what the people wanted to see and experience. He was vital
This movie and scene is absolutely AMAZING
I point people to this scene when people say all Seth Rogen does is stoner comedies. The man knows his stuff. He's great in this.
"Don't talk to me like I'm other people"
Man I love this scene
Funny actors almost always exceed my expectations in a serious role
3500 Dollar price tag on Apple Vision Pro makes so much sense now
“I play the orchestra” man look that’s one of the dopest lines in history. Anyone that thinks that man wasn’t genius is completely missing it
* dopiest, easy misspelling to make
Don't be afraid to fail. Be afraid you never fail.
I wish Steve Jobs was around for this movie. I doubt it would be strong enough to get through his ego, but it would be beautiful for him to see everyone around him that realize it.
It is kind of weird seeing Seth plays a serious role because, I'm used to see him in comedy movies. Think of Jim Carrey, he wasn't only able to make you laugh, he was also to make you cry. Actually, a few days ago I saw The Majestic, which I found a beautiful masterpiece.
Sorkin uses “I wanna be here when they destroy you, that’s what friends do” and “don’t talk to me like I’m other people” a lot
Rogan's best work, by far ! ! !
he should do MORE roles like this ! ! !
so that way we can see more remarkable talent from him
“...you sit right there you’re the best in your row.” 😂😂😂😂💀
0:35
I remember dying of laughter at this 😂😂😂😂🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
"What do you do??"
Every coder to their managers.
Anyone who thinks Steve Jobs sucked and didn't deserve anything missed the point. It was his ability to lead and innovate and truly understand a product was what made him a Genius.
Seth Rogen acts amazing in this film.
He was right. He was not designer or an engineer and he was arrogant but he still had something. He couldnt write code
Oh now I realize why people hate Jobs. Because most of us are the Woz and we hate not being appreciated for the hard work we put in, and somehow this guy gets more credit. But again, if Jobs was really easy to replicate everyone would do it.
Luck isn't easy to replicate
@@ltzp2 Nothing to do with luck and everything to do with vision, drive, and understanding of business and marketing. Watch his videos in 1997 about NEXT and the cloud. He was so far ahead and talked about how important cloud storage will become and made early prototypes of being able to access your files from home or work almost instantly.
If he wasn't so cruel, it might've mattered that he told no lies here.
Lisa, macintosh and this black cube all were failures. Still jobs is a genius and woz is just a nerd. Woz is the legend
There is no Apple with Wozniak. Jobs was a phenomenal marketer but Woz made it all run.
so he is basically the saverin of the story and steven jobs is the mark.
not at all lol, its reversed if anything, mark was the genius that created facebook, sav just gave money and some exposure to fund it
I really like how jobs used Wozniak's "that's what men do" with john Sculley argument
Michael Fassbender did a great guy playing Steve. Made me actually hate him even more lol
Prison Mike Of course his version mighta a little exaggerated
Joe Whitehead same could be said for Kutchers film.
You didn't really get it
Thanks to Sorkin
This movie is so underrated.
i really, really want a steve wozniak movie. a movie from wozniak’s perspective. hell, cast rogen as Woz again for it
Woz was a consultant on this movie - but he didn't really do much to correct the artistic liberties Sorkin took. According to the consensus of those involved, the most accurate portrayal of the Apple/MS startup & PC war era is Pirates of Silicon Valley.
Steve Wozniak is a true friend.
"Don't talk to me like I'm other people" I do love Sorkin but that line always drags me right out of the story because it's just so Sorkin. It kills the suspension of disbelief a little.
He has a loooot of lines that only he uses that show up in his writing. A lot of them.
@@davidf2244 Oh I know all about the Sorkinisms, normally I don't mind them, I mean I'm a big Alan Bennett fan and he's got a similar distinctive style, it's just this one line that really bothers me for some weird reason. I've no idea why.
Amazing acting. Simply put