I don’t believe this specific movie was based off any comic storyline, if you noticed the movie doesn’t even open with a DC Comics title card like a usual DCEU movie would
@@IamFirtyDucker It also borrows from the Killing Joke what with Arthur's struggles to become a stand-up comedian. Plus I feel like the whole theme of the movie is borrowed from the Killing Joke as well. That one bad day is all it takes for someone to fall into madness.
It's a reimagining of the Joker's origin story from The Killing Joke. In the book, the Joker is a nameless man with a pregnant wife and a failed career as a comedian. In order to feed his family, he takes a job for the Mafia to act as bait for Batman while dressed as the Red Hood. Batman accidentally pushes him into a vat of chemicals at ACE Chemicals and the Joker is born.
Joaquin phoenix said losing the weight helped him connect with the character. Said he could move and twist in ways that he didn't knew he could before. Especially helped since his body language was such a huge part of his act
If I remember correctly, the director said that at the end that little chuckle he has when he's talking to the doctor before he kills her. That's the only genuine laugh that Arthur has in this movie
Phoenix is absolutely AMAZING in this film! After Heath Ledger's version, I thought, nobody can do a better Joker than that! I still love The Dark Knight, but the darkness of Phoenix's version is next level! The story/writing is amazing too! I can't wait to see "Joker - Folie a' Deux"
dark knight is still one of the best @dabdaddyfr - its good to see the inspiration for heath's version of the joker live on in other's performances!! however phoenix does bring a unique-ness in addition. i think this movie is very well thought out and performed regardless of comparisons.
Gotham was originally inspired by New York City but has since developed a unique personality over time. It's often portrayed with a blend of Gothic Revival architecture similar to cities like Edinburgh, Aberdeen, and Liverpool and Art Deco design, giving it a timeless, 1930s aesthetic. Gotham in general has been depicted as being a mix of differant time periods. Despite this, Gotham has often struggled to look distinct in live-action adaptations, with the notable exception of the 1990s films, Batman '89, Returns, and Forever arguably offered the best depiction of Gotham to date. In Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, Gotham's appearance varied significantly across the films. Batman Begins featured a compelling Gotham with its Art Deco-style elevated train system and the atmospheric Narrows, all bathed in a warm tint. However, by The Dark Knight, Gotham resembled Chicago, losing much of its distinctiveness and character. In The Dark Knight Rises, the city looked even more like New York City, further diluting its unique identity. More recently, The Batman (2022) delivered one of the best representations of Gotham in years, thanks to its extensive use of Gothic Revival architecture, capturing the brooding and dark atmosphere often associated with the city. In contrast, Joker (2019) shot primarily in New Jersey, made Gotham feel like a stand-in for 1980s New York City, lacking the unique flair the city should possess, with Gotham simply written everywhere. But originally Gotham was just New York with a differant name.
I'm sorry to say that you're wrong about Gotham's depiction in the '90s movies. Tim Burton vamped up the gothic style he felt fitted Batman and since it was so well received by fans, they decided to change the aestethic in the comics so it fit the movies more (there was even a story line to explain the sudden "emergence" of old gothic looking buildings). So it's not that the films were the best depiction of Gotham, but that they shaped what Gotham looked like in the comics.
Technically i think the first two guys Arthur kills would fall under "justified homicide" because they could've killed him but since the 3rd guy had stopped attacking Arthur and was running away, that was Arthur's first "murder".
She's too young to remember what a cesspool urban clusters like NYC were during the "period" that the film is emulating, circa 70's-80's. She doesn't know about Bernie Goetz, Kitty Genovese, Vincent Chin, and how regular citizens mostly cowered in fear from violent felons, and how Law Enforcement failed the general populace back then. I grew up during that time, and everytime she called the shootings "murders" I winced and facepalmed.
Technically the only murder he did at the start was the third guy who he hunted down, the other two can be considered reasonable self-defence as they were potentially trying to kill him. The first act of actual malevolent evil was when he actively hunted the third guy.
20:00 The sad part is that the documents are available to view but the clerk knew about what the mother did and lied about it so that Arthur wouldn’t have to see it.
It was based on the scene from "DKR"where Joker says that they shouldn't restrain themselves after his psychologist says Batman suffers "sexual repression". It also kills the target, as his lipstick contains Joker toxin.
The movie isn't based on one particular story from the comics, but it does seem to borrow elements from a few. In the story The Killing Joke, Joker claims that he was a struggling wannabe comedian who resorted to a life of crime. The scene of Arthur killing Murray Franklin on his show seems mildly inspired by a scene in The Dark Knight Returns in which Joker goes on a talk show and kills the host and poisons the entire audience. And I believe that there was a recent story that presents Joker and Batman as brothers, but I don't think that is part of the modern canon. Comic book canon is very fluid and seems to constantly change. There is rarely ever one single definitive canon that endures unchanged across the decades because in the end, it's fiction. Sometimes, a story that was meant to be a standalone one-off receives such a positive reception that it gets adopted into the canon. Gotham City was originally inspired by New York City, though different mediums have used other cities as their inspiration for Gotham's aesthetic over the years. Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy presents Chicago as Gotham, with some of New York in The Dark Knight Rises. Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman used Detroit. The comics tend to avoid clarifying where Gotham is or which state it's located in, usually so the reader can imagine it to be their nearest metropolitan city, though some hints imply that it's located on the coast of New Jersey, either between Manhattan and Atlantic City or situated along the Delaware Bay with Superman's Metropolis residing across the bay as Gotham's sister city.
I like to point out because it is a bit unclear, but the "joke" he is laughing about at the end, is the death of Thomas & Martha Wayne. He got his revenge without even trying- to everyone else, its a tragedy, but to him, its comedic justice. He understands that he is the "scum of society" now. Everyone is against him, but he is no longer performing for them- he is doing it for his own satisfaction. It contextualizes the suffering he's endured through his life, he can accept it now- as long as he gets the last laugh.
"It takes a village to raise a child" - African Proverb “The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth” - African Proverb
That stance at the end, with tears in his eyes. He's like "Now these people get me, they all understand because they share my pain. I'm their champion. I'm the champion of pain!"
This was the first R rated film to gross at least $1 billion at the box office. Another film that stars the Joker I recommend watching is Batman: The Killing Joke. If you haven't seen it already, I recommend watching Gladiator, which also features Joaquin Phoenix. The actress playing Arthur's neighbor is also in Deadpool 2 and Invincible. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result each time
It’s funny how the actress who plays Arthur’s Mom is also in the Halle Berry Catwoman movie as her guide to her Cat Powers… so the two Batman solo villains movies have the same actress to help make the character who they are
It wasn't one bad day, it was his entire life, plus his mother's life. His mother fell through the cracks in the system, and that made her abuse Arthur, then Arthur fell through the cracks in the system as well... it's not an excuse, but Arthur is just a symptom of a broken system.
I watched this with my dad back when it came out. Comming out of the cinema, I started talking about the movie, and he goes, 'What do you mean, batman? What's he got to do with this?'. Apparently, he watched the whole movie not knowing it was Joker from dc.
So I know no one ever asks but I always leave this comment on the reactions of the movie. I have the same disorder as this version of the Joker but not as bad and of course it goes without saying I’m not some crazy head but that’s why it can be difficult to tell people because they either think I’m insane or a liar. I’ve learned to accept it and love myself!
The difficulty in telling reality from fantasy in this movie ties in to every movie or comic where they tell the Joker’s origin story. They always leave a little ambiguity whether what we just saw was the real story, or just an invention of the Joker’s shattered mind. The first time they did it, in the Killing Joke comic, the Joker himself says “If I’m going to have a past, I preferred it to be multiple choice.” One of my favorite quotes about this movie goes “Heath Ledger’s Joker is a man who went crazy and lost empathy for the world, Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is a man driven crazy by a world without empathy.”
This movie is really, really great, even if it takes a lot from existing movies like King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. I really hope the sequel is good too, despite what early reviews say. It's definitely going to be very different.
This movie is basically another one of the Joker's many backstories. In some worlds, in some versions he makes up in those worlds, he's been known as Jack Napier, Jack White, Arthur Fleck, but most of the time nobody knows who he was before his transformation into the Clown Prince of Crime.
The fridge incident could have been due to withdrawal from 7 different drugs running out at once. And if you think about it, a rich heir to a family knocks up a maid. It's easy to spend a lot of money to say no that baby is adopted. The papers they made her sign could have been nondisclosure. Her relationship with the abusive man could have been trauma from being used and tossed aside to save a rich family legacy.
That was like the weirdest juxtaposition of ideas. "Oh, I see. Is he kookoo? Oh. Is his laughing as a defense mechanism?" :-) It's like two different lanes of thought at once.
My favorite theory is that the psychiatrist's question at the end of the film about why Arthur is laughing makes no sense, because she should know about his psychological disorder and fits of laughter. Plus, the office itself mirrors the dark psychologist's office. The only logical explanation is that Arthur made up the whole story in his head😮
Gotham and Metropolis (Superman's city) are BOTH based on New York City. Gotham can been thought of as the worst version of NYC on a cold, rainy night during a deep recession while Metropolis is NYC on a warm sunny spring day in a booming economy.
I think the thing I take from this movie is to be kinder. This whole movie is because Arthur was looking for that human connection but couldn't form it because of something outside his control. Its a reminder to be kinder to our fellow human beings. We don't know everyones story.
This is not really an origin movie for the joker we know from the comics and arkham series because the only origin we have for him is the killing joke storyline other than that the jokers origin is mostly multiple choice for as he says in the killing joke.
I said this on another reaction but I wouldn’t recommend viewing Joker (2019) as a canonical take on these characters because so much has been altered to fit them into a "realistic world." Instead of adapting the DC universe to live-action, they’ve adapted it to reflect our reality. This is a very different interpretation of the Joker, one that you really have to treat as its own separate thing. Regarding the age difference between Joker and Batman: In most renditions, Joker is only about 5 to 10 years older than Batman. Bruce leaves Gotham at around 18 to travel and train, returning at 25 to become Batman. So, during their early encounters, Joker would typically be around 30 to 35 at most. In the film, Arthur is around 32 or 33, while Bruce appears to be about 8 to 10 years old. If Bruce is 10, that leaves about 15 years before he becomes Batman, which would make Arthur nearly 50 by the time they meet. Personally, I don't think Arthur is meant to be the Joker that this Batman will eventually face. Instead, I believe someone else will take up the mantle of Joker, inspired by Arthur’s actions. Though the next film may disprove this theory wrong. In short, this film should be treated as a possible origin for the Joker if he existed in the real world during the early 1980s. It’s not trying to adapt the Joker or Gotham directly from the comics but instead reimagines them in a way that fits into our reality. Much like the Nolan films, where it was "Batman but in our real world," this movie takes a similar approach.
Her saying "that's how you know a city's going *through* it... when people are ok with cold-blooded murder!" hits different after the whole Luigi situation....
There are quite a few Jokers, The main guy was an everyday Joe, a working man who got side work from low level mob guys. He was masquerading as a criminal people called the "Red Hood" when he bumped into Batman and fell into a vat of chemicals becoming "The Joker". So Batman created his greatest nemesis.
Origin of Joker is meant to be ambiguous. Great you didn't get too creeped out with the content, lots of people were shocked/left unwell after seeing this. (I hear the sequel is not doing so good).
Real world Gotham is a nickname for New York. Comic book Gotham is originally based on New York. Bob Kane was from Manhattan and went to school in The Bronx. Bill Finger lived in The Bronx where they filmed parts of the movie.
I didn't see this in theaters, and then when I did watch it... I wished I hadn't. I hope that we actually take care of the traumatized better than that.
The idea of this film is like taking a random Canadian, giving him brass knuckles with knives attached, and calling it a Wolverine film. It’s somewhat the Joker, but at the same time, it’s not. Arthur tries his best to mimic the character from the comic books, but it’s still a different interpretation, one that’s more grounded and set in a world likely devoid of Batman, supernatural elements, or metahumans. This trend has been apparent in DC films ever since the Nolan trilogy, where they strip away everything else to focus solely on hyper-realism. I’m glad you enjoyed this movie, really liked it myself when it was released. But it does feels more like a story that the Joker, like the one from the comics would tell while speaking to a psychologist in Arkham Asylum. He weaves a tale about a man named Arthur who had a mother, fell in love, and whose whole world fell apart. It’s a tragic story, one that feels crafted by the Joker himself. His true origin unknown as he exists within a more fantastical world with Mister Freeze locked in the cell beside him while Batman & Robin adventure through an Art Deco, Gothic Revival timeless Gotham City.
Agreed. The Joker, to me, works best as an enigma without a concrete backstory(which Joker tries to change). Making him thirty something while Bruce Wayne is a kid also makes it seem like they won't interact, which is like "why bother make it a film referencing Batman and pretty much creating his origin if that's the case?)
15:57 I particularly liked the subtle symbolism in this scene between Arthur and Bruce:, Joker shows up, Batman spots him from his lookout, steps down from his position, in this case using a pole like in the classic 66 Batman series, face each other, the Joker tries to make Batman smile, and ends up getting behind the bars.
There was a legend in the U.K. of a village called Gotham, where all the village idiots were sent to live. Out of exasperation, Washington Erving called New York City, Gotham City.
Talking about societal pressures and contributions. It's subtle and quick but here the media turns him into a sensation for this behavior. Someone who is know known and not invisible anymore. There's a theory that suggests this happens in real life and with other things. Like the reporting at times drives the report to become a headline. Also observed online and from public figures. Being sensualized and important for bad things helps to steer them to go over the line and leave their old selves behind and it's particularly strong in the hardwired types cases. Like he is always going to be Joker and always going to be going big just to please his newfound audience from on here on out. I never noticed it in this film until checking out your review. Excellent job at that btw.
Todd philips showed that the city in this movie was half new york and somewhat added cgi buildings in a video he explains the setting and the world in this movie and how it was made. Edit: like some background landscape and scenery is green screen
29:02 and so both the Joker and Batman were born on the same night, also makes me think of the Flashpoint storyline, in which this happens too, but with Bruce being the one that gets shot, and Thomas becoming the Batman and Martha going insane turning into the Joker of that universe.
That scene of him climbing into the fridge is darker than you realize when you remember that type of fridge latched close. There's no way to open it from the inside.
Notice something with the lighting when he steps out of the lighting on stage and into the blue lighting that's nearing the camera? His red suit, under the blue lights, looks to be the classic purple suit that we know the Joker wears from the comics. It's as if with that kill with Murray and stepping away from it he fully embraces and transitions into the Joker!
7:59 No, it's a repetition of the movies Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, but with the "Joker" in it to attract modern audiences. The director himself isn't into super hero stuff.
They took many different storys combined them for this its mostly the man who laughs with the Lincoln march character beleives he is thomas waynes son but its mostly the man who laughs but not much other than the synopsis
No, because most self-defense laws if someone kicks you you can’t just shoot them because they kicked you. It wasn’t even really a life or death situation.
I like how, unlike a lot of people online, you don’t excuse the joker’s actions and paint him as a “hero”. A lot of people treat me like trash, but I’m not about to start being publicly violent
When he said "he forgot to punch out" that wasn't planned. So that'd why it took a bit to punch the box off the wall. Plus you know the emotion was real.
I wonder if this last bit 29:30 is a flashback? Definitely seems like it, especially after seeing Joker 2. And there was also a quick scene at the beginning of the movie where he's banging his head on a door in a similar white room.
you should watch 'the king of comedy' by martin scorcese with robert de niro. It's got a LOT of similarities. Ironic thing is, De Niro is the one who plays the 'Arthur' character - Ruper Pupkin
Of course the early scene on Murray's show didn't happen lol it wasn't even trying to trick you, he's literally watching himself on the show sitting with his mother. No offense but God damn some people lack basic perception lol
Oh I definitely appreciate the effort in the look. Especially when you’re feeling yourself. I’m a guy, when you’re killing it and looking good like this we notice.
YAY! I’m so glad that you’re branching out and reacting to this movie. Fun fact, this was the first R-Rated movie that I saw in a theatre. What was your first one?
*“I figure if you’re gonna have an origin story, you might as well make it multiple choice”.* The Joker, The Killing Joke The best part is that in the end you actually have no idea how much of what happened in the movie ACTUALLY happened. The whole movie could’ve just been a fantasy in Arthur’s head. It’s the part that this movie took as inspiration from The Killing Joke graphic novel when Joker says to Batman after we see his “origin story”. It’s why I almost wish we didn’t get a sequel because it could ruin the mystique of this movie.
Even ignoring "Unfaithful Narrator" issues, Thomas had more than enough money to actually be the father, cook up some records, and have her institutionalized.
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I don’t believe this specific movie was based off any comic storyline, if you noticed the movie doesn’t even open with a DC Comics title card like a usual DCEU movie would
It borrows a scene from Dark Knight Returns. But this film is basically Taxi Driver and King of Comedy mixed with Joker
@@IamFirtyDucker It also borrows from the Killing Joke what with Arthur's struggles to become a stand-up comedian. Plus I feel like the whole theme of the movie is borrowed from the Killing Joke as well. That one bad day is all it takes for someone to fall into madness.
The movie ends with the DC logo.
Showing how any person could be a "joker"
It's a reimagining of the Joker's origin story from The Killing Joke. In the book, the Joker is a nameless man with a pregnant wife and a failed career as a comedian. In order to feed his family, he takes a job for the Mafia to act as bait for Batman while dressed as the Red Hood. Batman accidentally pushes him into a vat of chemicals at ACE Chemicals and the Joker is born.
Joaquin phoenix said losing the weight helped him connect with the character. Said he could move and twist in ways that he didn't knew he could before. Especially helped since his body language was such a huge part of his act
plus the cocaine was addictive
In other words, he did a De Niro.
If I remember correctly, the director said that at the end that little chuckle he has when he's talking to the doctor before he kills her. That's the only genuine laugh that Arthur has in this movie
Actually when he kills Maury he laughs for real.
and when murray tells him that 2 police officers were in critical conditon and that someone died because of him
What about his stand up? Was he just nervous
@@christianaguiare544 of course he was
@@strawberrylotlizard I’m pretty sure it was set up to him laughing at his own jokes, he did the same thing on the Murray Franklin Show
Phoenix is absolutely AMAZING in this film! After Heath Ledger's version, I thought, nobody can do a better Joker than that! I still love The Dark Knight, but the darkness of Phoenix's version is next level! The story/writing is amazing too! I can't wait to see "Joker - Folie a' Deux"
this movie is ass compared to dark knight
yes!!!! i agree, dan! thank you for the super chat
dark knight is still one of the best @dabdaddyfr - its good to see the inspiration for heath's version of the joker live on in other's performances!! however phoenix does bring a unique-ness in addition. i think this movie is very well thought out and performed regardless of comparisons.
@@dabdaddyfr Stop comparing, you'll enjoy things much more when you don't.
Unfortunately, Folie a Deux was not very good. I went to see it at the cinemas a couple of days back and I was very disappointed
Gotham was originally inspired by New York City but has since developed a unique personality over time. It's often portrayed with a blend of Gothic Revival architecture similar to cities like Edinburgh, Aberdeen, and Liverpool and Art Deco design, giving it a timeless, 1930s aesthetic. Gotham in general has been depicted as being a mix of differant time periods. Despite this, Gotham has often struggled to look distinct in live-action adaptations, with the notable exception of the 1990s films, Batman '89, Returns, and Forever arguably offered the best depiction of Gotham to date.
In Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, Gotham's appearance varied significantly across the films. Batman Begins featured a compelling Gotham with its Art Deco-style elevated train system and the atmospheric Narrows, all bathed in a warm tint. However, by The Dark Knight, Gotham resembled Chicago, losing much of its distinctiveness and character. In The Dark Knight Rises, the city looked even more like New York City, further diluting its unique identity.
More recently, The Batman (2022) delivered one of the best representations of Gotham in years, thanks to its extensive use of Gothic Revival architecture, capturing the brooding and dark atmosphere often associated with the city. In contrast, Joker (2019) shot primarily in New Jersey, made Gotham feel like a stand-in for 1980s New York City, lacking the unique flair the city should possess, with Gotham simply written everywhere.
But originally Gotham was just New York with a differant name.
I’m pretty sure it was New Jersey not New York
I heard at one point, Gotham was supposed to be New York at night while Metropolis is New York during the day.
@@TheSyconerd New York has been called Gotham for hundreds of years.
I believe canonically Gotham and Bludhaven are in New Jersey and Metropolis is in New York
I'm sorry to say that you're wrong about Gotham's depiction in the '90s movies. Tim Burton vamped up the gothic style he felt fitted Batman and since it was so well received by fans, they decided to change the aestethic in the comics so it fit the movies more (there was even a story line to explain the sudden "emergence" of old gothic looking buildings). So it's not that the films were the best depiction of Gotham, but that they shaped what Gotham looked like in the comics.
Technically i think the first two guys Arthur kills would fall under "justified homicide" because they could've killed him but since the 3rd guy had stopped attacking Arthur and was running away, that was Arthur's first "murder".
They got what they deserved
She's too young to remember what a cesspool urban clusters like NYC were during the "period" that the film is emulating, circa 70's-80's. She doesn't know about Bernie Goetz, Kitty Genovese, Vincent Chin, and how regular citizens mostly cowered in fear from violent felons, and how Law Enforcement failed the general populace back then. I grew up during that time, and everytime she called the shootings "murders" I winced and facepalmed.
Technically the only murder he did at the start was the third guy who he hunted down, the other two can be considered reasonable self-defence as they were potentially trying to kill him. The first act of actual malevolent evil was when he actively hunted the third guy.
20:00 The sad part is that the documents are available to view but the clerk knew about what the mother did and lied about it so that Arthur wouldn’t have to see it.
Arthur kisses the old lady because she was suggesting that he had some sort of a sexual problem, right before he came out
It was based on the scene from "DKR"where Joker says that they shouldn't restrain themselves after his psychologist says Batman suffers "sexual repression". It also kills the target, as his lipstick contains Joker toxin.
The movie isn't based on one particular story from the comics, but it does seem to borrow elements from a few. In the story The Killing Joke, Joker claims that he was a struggling wannabe comedian who resorted to a life of crime. The scene of Arthur killing Murray Franklin on his show seems mildly inspired by a scene in The Dark Knight Returns in which Joker goes on a talk show and kills the host and poisons the entire audience. And I believe that there was a recent story that presents Joker and Batman as brothers, but I don't think that is part of the modern canon.
Comic book canon is very fluid and seems to constantly change. There is rarely ever one single definitive canon that endures unchanged across the decades because in the end, it's fiction. Sometimes, a story that was meant to be a standalone one-off receives such a positive reception that it gets adopted into the canon.
Gotham City was originally inspired by New York City, though different mediums have used other cities as their inspiration for Gotham's aesthetic over the years. Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy presents Chicago as Gotham, with some of New York in The Dark Knight Rises. Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman used Detroit.
The comics tend to avoid clarifying where Gotham is or which state it's located in, usually so the reader can imagine it to be their nearest metropolitan city, though some hints imply that it's located on the coast of New Jersey, either between Manhattan and Atlantic City or situated along the Delaware Bay with Superman's Metropolis residing across the bay as Gotham's sister city.
I like to point out because it is a bit unclear, but the "joke" he is laughing about at the end, is the death of Thomas & Martha Wayne. He got his revenge without even trying- to everyone else, its a tragedy, but to him, its comedic justice. He understands that he is the "scum of society" now. Everyone is against him, but he is no longer performing for them- he is doing it for his own satisfaction. It contextualizes the suffering he's endured through his life, he can accept it now- as long as he gets the last laugh.
"It takes a village to raise a child" - African Proverb
“The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth” - African Proverb
Beautiful
Neither of those are "African proverbs".
And they still turn into warlords and gang members
@@SonOfMuta We live in a post-fact world.
@@SonOfMuta prove that
That stance at the end, with tears in his eyes. He's like "Now these people get me, they all understand because they share my pain. I'm their champion. I'm the champion of pain!"
This was the first R rated film to gross at least $1 billion at the box office. Another film that stars the Joker I recommend watching is Batman: The Killing Joke. If you haven't seen it already, I recommend watching Gladiator, which also features Joaquin Phoenix. The actress playing Arthur's neighbor is also in Deadpool 2 and Invincible. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result each time
12:44 him punching the hell out of the machine was actually improvised. It was not on the script.... he just beat the hell out that clock.
It’s funny how the actress who plays Arthur’s Mom is also in the Halle Berry Catwoman movie as her guide to her Cat Powers… so the two Batman solo villains movies have the same actress to help make the character who they are
"All it takes, is one bad day" Perfectly portrayed in a movie
Certainly wasn't one bad day, his whole life was shitty and it was the reason that he became the man he became.
It wasn't one bad day, it was his entire life, plus his mother's life. His mother fell through the cracks in the system, and that made her abuse Arthur, then Arthur fell through the cracks in the system as well... it's not an excuse, but Arthur is just a symptom of a broken system.
One bad day or a lifetime of abuse and untreated mental illness?
@@jonathanscott3914 Agreed
I watched this with my dad back when it came out. Comming out of the cinema, I started talking about the movie, and he goes, 'What do you mean, batman? What's he got to do with this?'. Apparently, he watched the whole movie not knowing it was Joker from dc.
So I know no one ever asks but I always leave this comment on the reactions of the movie. I have the same disorder as this version of the Joker but not as bad and of course it goes without saying I’m not some crazy head but that’s why it can be difficult to tell people because they either think I’m insane or a liar. I’ve learned to accept it and love myself!
The difficulty in telling reality from fantasy in this movie ties in to every movie or comic where they tell the Joker’s origin story. They always leave a little ambiguity whether what we just saw was the real story, or just an invention of the Joker’s shattered mind. The first time they did it, in the Killing Joke comic, the Joker himself says “If I’m going to have a past, I preferred it to be multiple choice.” One of my favorite quotes about this movie goes “Heath Ledger’s Joker is a man who went crazy and lost empathy for the world, Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is a man driven crazy by a world without empathy.”
This movie is really, really great, even if it takes a lot from existing movies like King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. I really hope the sequel is good too, despite what early reviews say. It's definitely going to be very different.
Gotham was based on New York.
In fact, with this taking place in the early 80’s, New York City was going through a garbage strike at the time.
This movie is basically another one of the Joker's many backstories. In some worlds, in some versions he makes up in those worlds, he's been known as Jack Napier, Jack White, Arthur Fleck, but most of the time nobody knows who he was before his transformation into the Clown Prince of Crime.
He is Azazel. A demon possessing all these characters , giving them the same personality.
Azazel is Joker, its not a human
Arthur fleck was never gonna be the clown prince of crime.
27:25 “ YOU GET WHAT YOU F**KING DESERVE!!!” The joke that blew our minds 😂😂😂😱😱😱🤯🤯🤯
"The artistry" and its just taxi driver with a sprinkle of king of comedy 😂
Love the reactions as always Angelina!!
Yer, De Niro on the flip side 2nd time round
No, that's what hipster idiots like you say.
Thank goodness they never made a sequel
There is no sequel in Gotham City
Yeah...
The fridge incident could have been due to withdrawal from 7 different drugs running out at once. And if you think about it, a rich heir to a family knocks up a maid. It's easy to spend a lot of money to say no that baby is adopted. The papers they made her sign could have been nondisclosure. Her relationship with the abusive man could have been trauma from being used and tossed aside to save a rich family legacy.
I just wish DC was more confident in making more super realistic darker toned movies like this
@ANGELINA the eyeshadow looks preem with the eyeliner 😂✌️
That was like the weirdest juxtaposition of ideas. "Oh, I see. Is he kookoo? Oh. Is his laughing as a defense mechanism?" :-) It's like two different lanes of thought at once.
His mother stood by while her boyfriend abused Arthur. Then he spent years taking care of her, even bathing her. So maybe that's why he killed her.
My favorite theory is that the psychiatrist's question at the end of the film about why Arthur is laughing makes no sense, because she should know about his psychological disorder and fits of laughter. Plus, the office itself mirrors the dark psychologist's office.
The only logical explanation is that Arthur made up the whole story in his head😮
Or rather, that the Joker made up Arthur's story in his mind and was laughing at the irony if it were true.
Gotham and Metropolis (Superman's city) are BOTH based on New York City.
Gotham can been thought of as the worst version of NYC on a cold, rainy night during a deep recession while Metropolis is NYC on a warm sunny spring day in a booming economy.
I think the thing I take from this movie is to be kinder. This whole movie is because Arthur was looking for that human connection but couldn't form it because of something outside his control.
Its a reminder to be kinder to our fellow human beings. We don't know everyones story.
11:38 It’s in the state of New York but most scenes are basically based off of Pittsburgh
Why did "oh this is a wholesome moment!!...did it actually happen?" make me laugh so hard XD
This is not really an origin movie for the joker we know from the comics and arkham series because the only origin we have for him is the killing joke storyline other than that the jokers origin is mostly multiple choice for as he says in the killing joke.
I watched it on the theatre and some guys at the back cheered so loud when he killed the guys in the train I though I was about to die, that was scary
Omg I have been waiting for this
I heard that when Heath Ledger took the role of the Joker, Jack Nicholson warned him that the character will "mess with your head".
I said this on another reaction but I wouldn’t recommend viewing Joker (2019) as a canonical take on these characters because so much has been altered to fit them into a "realistic world." Instead of adapting the DC universe to live-action, they’ve adapted it to reflect our reality. This is a very different interpretation of the Joker, one that you really have to treat as its own separate thing.
Regarding the age difference between Joker and Batman: In most renditions, Joker is only about 5 to 10 years older than Batman. Bruce leaves Gotham at around 18 to travel and train, returning at 25 to become Batman. So, during their early encounters, Joker would typically be around 30 to 35 at most.
In the film, Arthur is around 32 or 33, while Bruce appears to be about 8 to 10 years old. If Bruce is 10, that leaves about 15 years before he becomes Batman, which would make Arthur nearly 50 by the time they meet. Personally, I don't think Arthur is meant to be the Joker that this Batman will eventually face. Instead, I believe someone else will take up the mantle of Joker, inspired by Arthur’s actions. Though the next film may disprove this theory wrong.
In short, this film should be treated as a possible origin for the Joker if he existed in the real world during the early 1980s. It’s not trying to adapt the Joker or Gotham directly from the comics but instead reimagines them in a way that fits into our reality. Much like the Nolan films, where it was "Batman but in our real world," this movie takes a similar approach.
The “you wouldn’t get it” refers to the proposed ending that the whole film’s plot was just another one of Arthur’s delusions.
Her saying "that's how you know a city's going *through* it... when people are ok with cold-blooded murder!" hits different after the whole Luigi situation....
There are quite a few Jokers, The main guy was an everyday Joe, a working man who got side work from low level mob guys. He was masquerading as a criminal people called the "Red Hood" when he bumped into Batman and fell into a vat of chemicals becoming "The Joker". So Batman created his greatest nemesis.
"My audience is majority guys"
She called ya'll simps 😂
Most women attract males; most women hate/jealous/annoyed by other women.
Origin of Joker is meant to be ambiguous. Great you didn't get too creeped out with the content, lots of people were shocked/left unwell after seeing this. (I hear the sequel is not doing so good).
Joker was originally titled Clown and had nothing at all to do with Batman until a last second re-write.
How do you know?
Real world Gotham is a nickname for New York. Comic book Gotham is originally based on New York. Bob Kane was from Manhattan and went to school in The Bronx. Bill Finger lived in The Bronx where they filmed parts of the movie.
At the very end you didn't see the bloody footprints how Joker murderered the psychiatrist
I didn't see this in theaters, and then when I did watch it... I wished I hadn't. I hope that we actually take care of the traumatized better than that.
Guys don't care about make-up on Angelina because Angelina always looks beautiful...
I see it as "Joker" is mythological character the mob created in their imagination; Arthur is the actual person who was just a sad guy IRL
The idea of this film is like taking a random Canadian, giving him brass knuckles with knives attached, and calling it a Wolverine film. It’s somewhat the Joker, but at the same time, it’s not. Arthur tries his best to mimic the character from the comic books, but it’s still a different interpretation, one that’s more grounded and set in a world likely devoid of Batman, supernatural elements, or metahumans. This trend has been apparent in DC films ever since the Nolan trilogy, where they strip away everything else to focus solely on hyper-realism.
I’m glad you enjoyed this movie, really liked it myself when it was released. But it does feels more like a story that the Joker, like the one from the comics would tell while speaking to a psychologist in Arkham Asylum. He weaves a tale about a man named Arthur who had a mother, fell in love, and whose whole world fell apart. It’s a tragic story, one that feels crafted by the Joker himself. His true origin unknown as he exists within a more fantastical world with Mister Freeze locked in the cell beside him while Batman & Robin adventure through an Art Deco, Gothic Revival timeless Gotham City.
Agreed. The Joker, to me, works best as an enigma without a concrete backstory(which Joker tries to change). Making him thirty something while Bruce Wayne is a kid also makes it seem like they won't interact, which is like "why bother make it a film referencing Batman and pretty much creating his origin if that's the case?)
Perfect inhuman reaction, totally synch with this mad and twisted era, good job! 👍 (and no the commentary after do not erase the live react... 😌)
15:57 I particularly liked the subtle symbolism in this scene between Arthur and Bruce:, Joker shows up, Batman spots him from his lookout, steps down from his position, in this case using a pole like in the classic 66 Batman series, face each other, the Joker tries to make Batman smile, and ends up getting behind the bars.
Hildur's Oscar win for the soundtrack was well deserved!
No message here, I just wanted to give a Super Thanks :)
There was a legend in the U.K. of a village called Gotham, where all the village idiots were sent to live. Out of exasperation, Washington Erving called New York City, Gotham City.
There's a graphic novel that is a story about the Joker called Joker with a huge grin on it.
15:33 That's why you wait until after the movie to Google stuff.
Dang Ang… you look fab. And I cared about it! Well done!! And I’m glad you reacted to this movie, soo good and really deep & emotional.
Talking about societal pressures and contributions. It's subtle and quick but here the media turns him into a sensation for this behavior. Someone who is know known and not invisible anymore. There's a theory that suggests this happens in real life and with other things. Like the reporting at times drives the report to become a headline. Also observed online and from public figures. Being sensualized and important for bad things helps to steer them to go over the line and leave their old selves behind and it's particularly strong in the hardwired types cases. Like he is always going to be Joker and always going to be going big just to please his newfound audience from on here on out. I never noticed it in this film until checking out your review. Excellent job at that btw.
Todd philips showed that the city in this movie was half new york and somewhat added cgi buildings in a video he explains the setting and the world in this movie and how it was made. Edit: like some background landscape and scenery is green screen
29:02 and so both the Joker and Batman were born on the same night, also makes me think of the Flashpoint storyline, in which this happens too, but with Bruce being the one that gets shot, and Thomas becoming the Batman and Martha going insane turning into the Joker of that universe.
¡Gracias!
That scene of him climbing into the fridge is darker than you realize when you remember that type of fridge latched close. There's no way to open it from the inside.
I would love to see you watch the Sopranos. I feel like you'd get so into the characters in that show.
Notice something with the lighting when he steps out of the lighting on stage and into the blue lighting that's nearing the camera?
His red suit, under the blue lights, looks to be the classic purple suit that we know the Joker wears from the comics. It's as if with that kill with Murray and stepping away from it he fully embraces and transitions into the Joker!
7:59 No, it's a repetition of the movies Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, but with the "Joker" in it to attract modern audiences. The director himself isn't into super hero stuff.
We care Ange!
Nice work on the joker theme 👌🏻 green eye liner lookin gooood ✨
Your audience is majority guys?
Well just know I’m a girly pop who watches almost every video 🫶🏾✨
🫶🤭❤ eeeeeee thank you for the support ~
They took many different storys combined them for this its mostly the man who laughs with the Lincoln march character beleives he is thomas waynes son but its mostly the man who laughs but not much other than the synopsis
It`s "Insanity is doing the same thing expecting different results."
How do you literally watch him rehearse what he plans on doing and not know what he plans on doing? 🤦♂️
I mean he was clearly rehearsing shooting himself. He changed it up last second by shooting Murray
@@PLaStiiCMoNtAGE Exactly.
9:01 saying that idiom worng with such bold confidence, reminds me of Sailor Venus 😂
Gotham is supposed to be New York at night while Superman's metropolis is New York during the day
the tan looks amazing on her im obsessed
10:48 That wasn’t murder that was self defense. Now the guy on the stairs? Yup, lmao.
No, because most self-defense laws if someone kicks you you can’t just shoot them because they kicked you. It wasn’t even really a life or death situation.
I like how, unlike a lot of people online, you don’t excuse the joker’s actions and paint him as a “hero”. A lot of people treat me like trash, but I’m not about to start being publicly violent
When he said "he forgot to punch out" that wasn't planned. So that'd why it took a bit to punch the box off the wall. Plus you know the emotion was real.
You look absolutely amazing!
"You don't care about any of this!"
Yes, we do! 😂
I wonder if this last bit 29:30 is a flashback? Definitely seems like it, especially after seeing Joker 2. And there was also a quick scene at the beginning of the movie where he's banging his head on a door in a similar white room.
I've heard it said the Metropolis is NYC in the daytime, and Gotham is NYC at night, but personally I see Gotham as Chicago with all the mobs etc.
you should watch 'the king of comedy' by martin scorcese with robert de niro. It's got a LOT of similarities. Ironic thing is, De Niro is the one who plays the 'Arthur' character - Ruper Pupkin
The King of Comedy is a much better film than Joker and it is not debatable.
Of course the early scene on Murray's show didn't happen lol it wasn't even trying to trick you, he's literally watching himself on the show sitting with his mother.
No offense but God damn some people lack basic perception lol
Oh I definitely appreciate the effort in the look. Especially when you’re feeling yourself. I’m a guy, when you’re killing it and looking good like this we notice.
Gothem city is an analogue for New York City.
28:31 Angelina: "...He loves it so much."
Joker: "I know. Isn't it beautiful?"
She's back ❤️❤️❤️🙌🏻
YAY! I’m so glad that you’re branching out and reacting to this movie. Fun fact, this was the first R-Rated movie that I saw in a theatre. What was your first one?
I honestly can’t remember!!
@@ANGELINAATo be fair, mine was back in 2019, which was before the pandemic.
*“I figure if you’re gonna have an origin story, you might as well make it multiple choice”.*
The Joker, The Killing Joke
The best part is that in the end you actually have no idea how much of what happened in the movie ACTUALLY happened. The whole movie could’ve just been a fantasy in Arthur’s head. It’s the part that this movie took as inspiration from The Killing Joke graphic novel when Joker says to Batman after we see his “origin story”. It’s why I almost wish we didn’t get a sequel because it could ruin the mystique of this movie.
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The timing of this reaction when we now live in a reality where people are 100% okay with cold blooded murder.
Even ignoring "Unfaithful Narrator" issues, Thomas had more than enough money to actually be the father, cook up some records, and have her institutionalized.
wow you looked stunning in that outfit , fun reaction as always tanks for it
I just gotta say that you’re killing this look! 💚✨
i'm glad they were content for this movie to be a one-off and not make a sequel at all
Can someone recommend AGATHA ALL ALONG for her to watch. I'd give anything to see her reaction
I remember when the news was trying to force a controversy about this film.
And it ended up being a mirror to real life.