Ladder 49 is among my favorites of his, but he's had a lot of good ones. Gladiator of course, ladder 49, walk the line, the village, and joker. I haven't seen most of his others but I assume he's at least decent in them.
@@ravissary79 i think you are talking about "the killing joke" and that is the only animated movie not based on a comic. But as it turns out his comedian background is only fictional and he sais "if i have to have a past, i prefer it to be multiple choice"
It's part of the merchandising strategy by DC comics, along with all the alternate universes and alternate versions. Marvel aren't much better either, they both decided to keep selling new stuff based on old brands instead of trying to create anything fresh...
@@5calambres the red hood backstory, the idea that there was this crime spree scam using innocent people kidnapped and compelled to do it while wearing the red hood outfit: this lore must exist outside a closed plot loop of the killing joke, because it's what is referenced by Jason Todd when he takes the name Red Hood, an ironic reference to the injustice which transformed him, while backhandedly referencing the one who killed him. Also it's pretty much accepted that that plot of The Killing joke, or at least plot point touchstones, are Canon. Just not the implied ambiguous ending or the total mental destruction of Gordon.
I've always had an interesting reaction to statements like this. On one, yes, they are ill and should have some leeway but I've also seen people use that as an excuse to get away with being an asshole
@@MrFredstt Lots of assholes, but you can't overgeneralize. Society makes good people feel like shit enough. It's just like how people assume having a mental illness means you'll be violent.. we're more at risk being the victims OF violence.
About Sophie's final destiny, Lawrence Sher, Joker cinematographer, said in an interview: "We wanted to make the interpretation of the real versus what’s not real, a part of the viewer’s experience. For instance, his relationship to Sophie is a fantasy to him. Some people have asked me, ‘Was she killed?’ [Director Todd Phillips] makes it clear she wasn’t killed. Arthur is killing people who’ve wronged him in a certain way, and Sophie never wronged him"
In that comic you were talking about at the start, bruce wayne dies in the alley, thomas wayne becomes Batman, and Martha Wayne goes insane over the death of her son and becomes the joker
I don't think he killed his neighbor. Him not killing the short guy proves that. Joker kills people in this movie that have wrong him, he is not just killing randomly.
@@quark12000 I mean at the end he kills his doctor, someone trying to help him. He didn't officially become Joker until he relished in the chaos dancing upon a car. The entire movie was his arc, & he wasn't fully transformed until the last scene. So, yeah.
I'm sure he did, after all he barely knew her outside of his fantasy so killing her wouldn't be out of the question. Meanwhile he did know the little guy from his job and he was sympathetic to Arthur
i love the subtle detail of the use of stairs in this film. at the beginning, we witness Arthur climb UP many stairs, and slowly through the course of the movie, the director decides to only show Arthur descending those same stairs, as if to showcase his mental state -- UP when trying to be an upright, moral citizen.. DOWN when he is spiraling into chaos. and in the final act Arthur is literally dancing down them. super clever.
It also displays his sense of struggle and exhaustion versus his euphoria letting go of behaving correctly and ethically, he’s no longer burdened by etiquette, law or ethics and can dance his way around town with minimal effort
You guys nailed one thing about this movie to a tee - it feels like you're intruding on something deeply personal in the beginning to the point of being uncomfortable. Amazing writing/acting/directing! ... not a movie to break out for a movie night, though 😅
I think it's pretty much confirmed that he spared the neighbor. She never did anything mean to him and barely engagaged small talk in the elevator. Remember why he spared Gary? Because he was the only one at his work who treated him nice.
@@carsonwentz8301Considering the doctor that signed off on all the paperwork is a villain with known ties to the mob in the comics, I feel pretty comfortable in saying he is Thomas Wayne's son
It was only confirmed after feminist groups actually protested the movie. It was meant to imply since he wasn't questioned then it means it was no victim alive to file a report. I believe that is one of the scenes they had to redo after focus groups. So they left it as ambiguous but yeah.
The script has some interesting details: "This story takes place in its own universe. It has no connection to any of the DC films that have come before it. We see it as a classic Warner Bros. movie. Gritty, intimate and oddly funny, the characters live in the real world and the stakes are personal. Although it is never mentioned in the film, this story takes place in the past. Let's call it 1981." So, a sequel may be in the works, but don't expect it to tie into any of the other DC movies.
That fridge scene was Phoenix going full method acting. He was supposed to create a mess in the kitchen, but when he threw the stuff out of the fridge, he just decided to step inside. It looked good, so they kept it in.
From a storytelling perspective, making him wayne's son would be cliche and super weak (soap opera stuff, really)... but leaving it ambiguous whether it's real or not, just to get the audience in the character's shoes with that messed up doubt, that makes it pretty good.
My favorite thing they do to give the audience the idea that Arthur is Wayne's son is when he meets Bruce. They look exactly the same, down to the clothes they're wearing.
Also, Joker has always been older than Batman by at least a couple of decades so for Bruce to be 10 and Joker to be 30-35 it makes perfect sense canonically.
I love that the Joker has always been an unreliable narrator/storyteller. You don't know if he's telling the truth or not. Both this movie and The Dark Knight (different stories of how he got the scars). Amazing movie and great reaction!
“I'm not exactly sure what happened. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
The comic book your referring to George is called The Flashpoint Paradox. Barry Allen Flash goes back in time to save is mom from dying, but makes a different future/present. Bruce is killed. Thomas becomes Batman and Martha becomes The Joker.
This movie hit suprisingly hard. It bothered me for a loong time after I watched it. Which is a hallmark of a great movie. One of the best depictions of a deep mental illness in cinema, imho.
24:00 it's not hiding from the world, old fridges have mechanical latches. People used to kill themselves by locking themselves in the refrigerator because unless someone opens it from the outside you cannot get out. Which makes this scene not necessarily make sense, unless you consider that it is another of Arthur's fantasies; what he was thinking about/planning before he got the call and the opportunity to go do it on the show.
For me, this movie was incredibly showing how we as humans need connection with other people, relating and interacting with them. In the beginning of the movie, we see that due to his injuries as a child, he just never developed the skills to normally interact and connect with people on a social or emotional level. He's taking notes, trying to dissect and piecemeal what that is so he can have it, so he can seem more normal. But it just doesn't work for him - we're watching someone who wants to but can't. He's so desperately searching for that interpersonal relationship but is unable to do it. Seeing him as we do and knowing everything he's going through, his attempts at being "normal" with the finger gun to the head, going to the comedy club, etc. just shows that he's not mean, he's not evil, he's just trying to fit in, he's trying to learn how to be a person. But he just can't make it stick and because of that, it comes across as creepy and unsettling to everyone else around him, further ostracizing him from what he needs most.
Joaquin Phoenix was absolutely phenomenal in this film. Plus the soundtrack is so unsettling and brilliant. A sequel was just announced and I can't fricken wait
It fascinates me to see some of the emotional responses and empathy where my generation would not give it a second thought, not complaining, it's refreshing to get a different point of view on some of the classics.
when the young Bruce Wayne slides down his playground pole - thats a nod to the 60s Batman TV series where Batman had a 'batpole' he'd slide down into the batcave
This is one of my favorite films that I never want or need to watch again. Very rare for a movie to make me feel so depressed and uncomfortable yet still love it.
While the mirror dance was *originally* improv, what you see in the film is not. The improv happened, they liked it, and then filmed a deliberate take of the idea that was improv'd.
This is a brilliant social commentary on mental health and how we deal with it as a society. I think it's about as close to a perfect movie as I remember ever seeing and I'm glad to see it on your channel.
i think it is at its core more about class than about mental health. of course that is a theme. but that is also a problem with the film. it explains way too much and should look more on social structures than an individual story. it is also not very subtle. apart from that it takes a lot of it from other (and better) movies.
@@Bentzel75 its fine to have empathy for broken people but those who don't change and continue to hurt others have only themselves to blame. I come from a severely abusive backround and was raised by two mentally ill Narcissistic sociopaths for parents. They had plenty of time to change and get the help that they needed but they chose to let whatever happened to them in their past justify their abuse and evil acts and continued to be this way for decades. My point is you can either get yourself the help you need continue down a path of self destruction.
Me and my good friend sat outside the theatre on the curb next to his car for an hour and a half just discussing this movie after coming out of it. If that doesn't show anyone how brilliant this movie is I don't know what would.
That scene on the train, with the mother getting angry he made her kid laugh? I've had that exact thing happen to me on our local transit, some years ago. I was trying to joke with this kid and the mother became angry at me for causing the kid to "act up". I have experienced many of the horrible things that happened to Arthur in this film - not the murder, of course, but the abuse he suffered, the mistreatment because he's mentally ill, the inability of others to understand him or understand the fact that he suffers from a mental illness. I am diagnosed schizoaffective, which essentially means bipolar and schizophrenia, and people put off by me have made my life miserable for as long as I can remember. Arthur is right in that the worst part about being mentally ill is that people get angry at you when you behave like you're mentally ill. Even professionals who know you are ill will get upset when you act like it - as if you are aware and choosing to behave irrationally. I have informed nurses, prior to a medical procedure, that I will be delusional and confused when I wake up and they still get angry at me when I'm delusional and confused.
Phoenix was phenomenal in the role. Never would have expected this movie from Todd Phillips, but also makes me want to see CineBinge react to his comedies, which is what he's known for.
He realized slapping the joker name over his bootleg taxi driver/king of comedy rip off would through enough people off the scent. Putting a great actor like Phoenix as the lead helped too.
@@FullMetalB - If you say so. Maybe they just had an interesting interpretation, and it did well. You don't have to like that it's not the Joker you want.
@@maximillianosaben You are applying your own interpretation to my comment. My comment is about this film being way too close to its uh, "inspiration" thinking that the main character being an interpretation of the joker would make it different enough. It doesn't. Film being essentially a rip off is my issue. Nothing regarding a comic book character. Need me to explain anything else that was already super clear?
As a person who has been hit by multiple cars, the immediate response is to get away from the danger area. After that you assess the situation and then the pain sets in so you assess what is wrong with you. Thankfully the worst I got was a sprained wrist and an untreatable dent in my upper right thigh, but you are right with your reaction. Getting hit by a car at any speed is no walk in the park.
This movie is a good litmus test for what your own personal jumping off point is. You’re allowed to empathize with Arthur to a point. But the director intended to push that to the extreme so that people will question when enough is enough.
One thing that's easy to miss: the first time Bruce sees Arthur he slides down a pole before walking over. This is a reference to the Batpole in the old Batman TV series. I don't think he killed Sophie. It's not his style. He killed people for revenge, and in the end, to create chaos. He wouldn't kill people just for the sake of it. Remember that he let Gary go after killing Randall. One thing I like about this movie is that it shows evil coming from somewhere. Arthur didn't start off evil. He was driven to it by a combination of mental illness and a toxic society. It's not just the lack of social services. So many people were cruel to him, sometimes for no reason other than their own amusement. I also like how the movie turns on its head the cliche of the guy with a girlfriend who's way more attractive than him.
Great reaction. The movie is hauntingly fantastic. I am not gunna lie the fact that Simone legit argued that the mom had any credibility was pretty frustrating. They spell it right out. But still great job guys, fun watch.
0:26 Yeah you're actually correct in the Flashpoint storyline that was created when Flash tried to go back in time to save his mum which created a new timeline in which Bruce died in Crime Alley instead of his parents. Martha with the lost of her child went mad and became the Joker while Thomas Wayne became Batman one who used guns and killed. Thomas Wayne wore a pretty cool suit one I highly recommend looking up. Unlike other DC Universe's that are disconnected from the main Earth the Flashpoint Earth was an alternate timeline closer to what happened in Back to the Future. Once Flash fixed this timeline this created a whole new universe starting the New 52 Comic's pretty much a reboot. Earth-2 which is the Golden age Earth a classic rendition of characters before the 1950s Sliver Age. This was the mainstream DC universe from the 1930s to the 1950s being replaced by a new Earth. DC introduced the Silver Age hero's like Barry Allen as Flash and Hal Jordan as Green Lantern but as they already had counterparts in the comic's DC decided to set them on a new Earth called Earth-1 while the Goldarn Age hero's were from Earth-2 where The Justice League of America existed while Earth-1 had The Justice League which would come later. Earth-1 is pretty much the version of these characters most people know of along with where the mainline DC stories take place becoming the mainstream DC universe. Earth-2 the universe in which the 1939 Batman is from a universe was kept alive by writers throughout the years even when the Main Earth-1 comic's were being pointed out Earth-2 stories were still being told. Funny enough there was a time when DC didn't inform readers what comic's took place in which universe as both Earth-1 and Earth-2 had Batman and Superman with the same designs with comic's releasing jumping between both universes. This change in September 1961 with Flash of Two Earths when older Golden Age Flash Garrick meet Silver Age Flash Barry Allen's when Flash crosses over into the different Earth. Another funky aspect is Jay's Flash from Earth-2 is a comic book character in Earth-1 a character Barry knows and looks up too which is strange as if Jay is a comic book character wouldn't that mean that Superman and Batman are comic book characters as well even though they exist in Earth-1 as year hero's. Anyways this is the first time Earth-1 or Earth-2 are mentioned. Earth-2 has many differences to the more mainstream such as Batman marrying Catwoman retiring as Batman and having a daughter who would later become Huntress, Helena Wayne. Dick Grayson is also the only Robin in this universe no Jason Tod or Tim Drake just Grayson. Wayne would only return to the role one last time after learning he was dying of cancer in order to stop Bill Jensen, who had been granted super-powers by the sorcerer Frederic Vaux. Having failed to arrest Jensen, Wayne took a Batman costume from the Gotham Museum and decided to attack Jensen directly as Batman. The two fought until Jensen realized that he could not deter Wayne in his attempt to stop Jensen. Jensen decided to destroy Batman and himself with a mystical blast which succeeded in killing Wayne, revealing to the world that he was the original Batman.After tracking down and defeating Vaux with the aid of the Justice Society, the Earth-Two Doctor Fate erased completely from all people on Earth-Two the knowledge that Batman and Bruce Wayne were one and the same person. Wayne's daughter Helena and Grayson would continue protecting Gotham City as the Huntress and Robin until they were killed during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.Robin of Earth-2 actually met a younger Dick Grayson from Earth-1 along with Red Son Batman a universe where Batman was Russian which convinced Robin that Batman wasn't a person but a symbol leading to him taking up the mantle of Batman. Earth-2 was recreated after Crisis on Infinite Earth's which also created a Prime Earth which was pretty much Earth-1 but with elements from other universes such as characters and cities from comic's DC bought and wanted to add them to the DC universe. With the new canon post Crisis on infinite Earth's Batman and many of the Earth-2 hero's died during Darkseid's invasion but alot of the past I mentioned like Batman getting married to Catwoman and having Helena Wayne this all still happened it's just how Batman died that was changed along with the events themselves and the outcome. Now we get to our point on Thomas Wayne. So in Earth-2 it's revealed that Thomas actually survived the mugging all those years ago and took up the mantle of Batman to honor his son and attempt to atone for his own failures after Bruce's death. So yeah there's been two cases of Thomas being Batman in the Alternated Flashpoint Timeline of Prime Earth (Main DC Earth) and Thomas Wayne of Earth-2 who secretly survived.
"Let me believe what I want to believe!" Oh Simone...so awesome. One other comment: While it's left ambiguous, I think George is wrong about Arthur murdering his neighbor Sophie. Think about how he let Gary live after murdering Randall. He only kills those who have hurt him. Even though a fantasy, at that moment she asks him to leave, just as Gary needed help opening the door.
It wasn't a fantassy that he was in her apartment, He was actually there but didn't kill her as confirmed by the Lawrence Sher for the reasons you stated. He was just a stalker with serious delusions
7:15 Arthur's face here is actually a sign of Childhood Trauma. Often children who have been abused will smile and appear friendly even when under the stress of criticism or verbal abuse. Basically to appear as non confrontational as possible to avoid a situation similar to the abuse they sustained from happening. It's essentially a coping mechanism the body learns to avoid danger. This can make its way into adulthood as most coping mechanisms or reactions of a mentally or physically abused child do.
You guys need to appreciate how much of this story was real and how much was in his mind? Was he in the Asylum the whole time? The girl, love, the comedy show - did anyone of this happen?
When I saw this in the theater a lot of people complained about it. I was just happy that I had seen a great film that could bring mental health into the forefront of conversation. Great film
I remember seeing this in the theater and just sitting there at the end with all sorts of thoughts going through my head. And eventually I just had to get out of there and find something I could actually laugh at to feel better. Such a great performance and film, even if it did feel pretty bleak.
The stairs that Joker walks on is located in the Bronx, NY. There was a time when I used to pass them everyday. Since the movie, people pose for pictures on the stairs doing Joker's "dance" just as they pose on the street in London where the Beatles took their iconic picture found on the cover of the album Abbey Road.
@@lethaldose2000 W 167th Street between Shakespeare and Anderson Avenues in the Highbridge section of the Bronx is where the scene was filmed. Although, there are similar step streets (the name of those LONG open air stairs in NYC) in Washington Heights, Harlem and Morningside Heights
@@clash5j I used to hang on 181st and St Nicolas St. I would often choose to take the "A" train instead of the #2 train because the "A" train is up the hill and it would mean I only had to walk my set of stairs.
@ 36:15 Simone says "...and they are also brothers...crazy!!". I freaking lost it LOL. Simone, i adore you. George, you are the reactor I need in my reaction watching. love you two!
This is quickly becoming my favorite reaction channel! You guys are so down-to-earth and radiate authenticity and positive energy, it puts other channels to shame. Thanks for your videos! Looking forward to more
Too bad Scorsese's too far up his own ass to bother watching this film. After people had mentioned the homage to his films in Joker and whether or not he plans to see it, Scorsese said, “I saw clips of it. I know it. So it’s like, why do I need to? I get it. It’s fine.”
They originally wanted Martin Scorsese to direct it but he couldn’t because he was directing the irishman at the time. And somehow Robert De Niro got the part and managed to be in both films
I'm genuinely surprised you guys knew so little about this movie before going in. I can understand when it's an older film, but this was only from 2019 and it was a HUGE phenomenon; imagery from it invaded pop-culture so fast.
Glad you guys liked this one! A very controversial movie, but I think, a great film. From what I understand, Joker didn't kill his neighbor. There was a scene cut from the film where they revealed she was unharmed and alive. Also, this film borrows from two of Martin Scorcese's films, "Taxi Driver" and "The King of Comedy" that are definitely worth seeing. In "King of Comedy" Deniro plays a struggling comedian, who kidnaps the host of "The Tonight Show" to get his act on TV. It was great that this time, he's the host.
I assumed anyone who watches this movie and doesn't cry at least once is either heartless, or has never known anyone with mental illness. As someone who struggles with a diagnosed anxiety and depressive disorder, just watching Arthur's struggles, even though this abridged reaction video seeing it for the umpteenth time, has me in tears. "The worst part of having a mental disorder is people expect you to act as though you don't" -- too fucking true. "Just go outside and take a walk if you're depressed, you'll feel better. I've been depressed before for like a month but I ate well and exercised and I got over it, so just get over it. Don't talk to me about it, it's so depressing!" Like, really, my depression is depressing? No fucking shit, genius! I'm looking for support, not for people to be trite and inaccurate and confuse sadness with depression in order to minimize my struggles. ...anyway. Good movie.
@@rocketdave719 I guess you're in that first group I mentioned then 🤷♂️ If you experience mental illness, then watch a guy get his ass beat and shunned from society for having one, and you're apathetic about it, then you're missing some empathy.
@@IceMetalPunkSorry that having a different opinion than you about a fucking movie makes me a bad person in your eyes. Just because I think Joker is overrated and shallow doesn't mean I'm lacking empathy.
the laughter is an actual medical condition called a pseudobulbar affect which can happen when brain injury is sustained. Phoenix (according to what I read) watched people with the actual condition and tried to recreate it as best he could. This movie is primarily about mental illness and a poignant (albeit visceral and gruesome) portrayal of what happens when we let people slip through the cracks.
I love the hyper realistic Joker universe, with real NYC locations as Gotham. Every aspect of this film is just incredible - including the cello-heavy soundtrack. I'm very curious about where they take it from here, if they do go ahead with Joker2 or something else in the same universe.
Notice how when Joker walks off the center stage of the Murray show into the blue lighting. The blue light hits his red suit and it makes it appear purple, like the classic joker suit he has in the comics, shows, games and such. It's like in that instant he fully transforms and truly *becomes* The Joker.
Robert Deniro is in this movie because he starred in a 1983 movie called "The King Of Comedy" where he actually had dillusions of being the host of a late night show that Jerry Lewis hosted. Deniro's character also lived with his mom and his love interest was a black woman as well. The paralles in both movies are uncanny.
you guys getting into this movie LITERALLY not knowing anything was gorgeous lmao. Expecting a Super-hero Villainy type movie and getting a deep character driven story about society will blow anyone's minds
I really love how the movie ties the story of the joker together with social commentary. I see the joker as an analogy for a riot, people who have been abandoned by society will at some point snap and turn to sensless violence. As you said, the city reflects the joker.
For a dark movie this was pretty comedian friendly. Gary Gulman was on stage at the club. Sam Morrill was on the TV and Mark Maron was DeNiros assistant. There may have been others that I missed.
People were concerned about this movie inspiring people to violence. Instead, people went to the stairs and filmed themselves dancing down them. In enough numbers that locals were pissed because they'd get in their way going to work.
Had my own emotional roller coaster watching you guys react. Started off 😊 but then drop news that they are making a sequel to film that really feel like should stay in its own isolated story to this 😔 Hollywood just can't leave things alone.
The lingering questions for this movie are, what was real and what was imagined. The broader message is about mental illness, yes. But as far as this story, it was purposely made vague as to which murders were actually committed and which were fantasy. Or was he always institutionalized because of his illness, and the only true murder he committed was the therapist at the end? if there is a sequel--which is the rumor--i would think some of these questions will be answered, particularly if they indeed fold it into the Batman universe.
Loved how you 2 reacted to this movie, one of the better reactions out there to one of the best movies ever made, with a rather small budget. Can't wait for part 2, although it was meant as a stand alone movie, it will never be as good but that doesn't stop my curiosity in finding out where the author is gonna take this!😃 PS: The neighbour girl(s) aren't dead, he never killed nice people or people he liked which are usually both (except his mother that he realised both not his mother as well as the source of his mental illness), 4 example Garry.
My reaction was so different, I rooted for him through most of the movie even when he killed the 3 dudes. Now I'm thinking something might be wrong with me 😅
Nominated for 10 Oscars including Best Picture but won for: Best Actor Joaquin Phoenix Best Original Score It was the first DC Movie to be nominated for all categories. It was also the highest grossing R rated movie of 2019, $1 billion dollars. A Sequel, Joker: Madness For Two, is in development and will be turned into a musical with Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn.
There was a comic where Bruce dies and Thomas becomes Batman and Martha becomes Joker, but on the anniversary of his death they meet in the alley to remember him and how they went their separate ways. Its actually heartbreaking.
I had to admit something to myself when I first saw this movie. When I saw those Wall Street guys get destroyed by Joker, i felt cathartic. When I saw how Murray (Diniro) met his end, I shouted, "You got what you deserved." I accept this part of myself.
The joke that he said you wouldn't get a the end is that the entire movie is the story Joker made up in his mind and told the audience and you bought it. In TAS and later comics he spun a fake sympathetic story to Harley to mess with her head and get her on his side, and now he did that same but to the viewers the movie
i find it a bit amazed that today, there are still people who are not aware of "nervous laughter" i have it (not in the same level as arthur of course, not even close" but i also augh whe i'm realy nervous
There's been rumblings of a sequel, given the reception of Joker (and rightly so!) I also heard somewhere (really unreliable don't take my word for it) that the sequel would introduce Harley Quinn and would be a musical! Now I love Sweeney Todd: Demon Barber of Fleet Street (put on react list pls 😁) so I'm all for it myself!!!
For the people who are familiar with Scorcese's "King of Comedy", you realize how much of an inspiration that Scorcese had on this film (De Niro was in that movie as well). If you haven't seen it, and you like Joker, I can't recommend that movie too highly. One thing I will say is that while New York State, and NYC in particular has excellent mental health programs, as compared with almost anywhere else in the country, when you have to deal with government institutions like Social Security, Snap, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., as well as the various housing services, if you were not mentally ill beforehand, you'll likely be driven crazy simply by all the bureaucracy. There can be so many roadblocks to getting and maintaining necessary help, and when you have a mental illness, as bad as it is for anyone, it's far worse to deal with. If you can get some kind of a case worker to help you, that CAN be incredibly helpful. Unfortunately, I know that not all case workers are created equal. Years ago, I got a case worker, and I could never get her on the phone when I actually needed help. I also know people who've had really horrific experiences with the system. I know one person who literally lost ALL his benefits because his employer asked him to work a little overtime, and that put his income just a tiny bit over the limit. He worked one hour overtime, and lost everything. That said, fortunately, MOST people do not have as bad an experience as the character in this film.
Neighbour isn't dead. There is a cut-scene, where she is sitting in Front of the TV watching Arthur in the Show. It was cut, because Todd Philips wanted every Scene in the Movie presenting Arthur's View.
@@blackmancer I hate it when people accuse me of not understanding something when in actuality I just don't like it or agree with it. I don't need anything explained to me. There isn't anything in the movie not to get. But whatever. I did bark up your tree after all. We don't have to discuss the movie.
I think the entire movie was all in his mind.(with the exception of his conversation with the doctor at the end. Him killing her is in his head too IMO) His past, his condition, everything. At the beginning of the movie George said that he felt sorry for Arthur. That's what the story wants you to feel. It wants you to sympathize with Arthur. There's a lot of people that create scenarios in their head. Getting the girl, being successful, being understood. Even tragic scenarios. Mix that with a character with a great mental illness and you have what we just watched.
Simone isn't entirely wrong about them being brothers. The movie intentionally makes the viewer wonder, even with the discovery of the adoption papers. The biggest thing the movie tosses at the audience to instill doubt is the shot of the photo that Arthur looks at. It's of Penny, and it says, "Love your smile, T.W." I think you're meant to entertain the idea that Thomas Wayne used his power to fabricate adoption papers, etc. Edit: Okay, Simone brings this up at the end, so obviously you were already aware. But I personally didn't catch any similarity between the handwriting. Even if it was similar, I'm pretty sure it's STILL meant to cast doubt in the audience's mind. About George's question about the neighbor: When I saw this in the theaters, I assumed he had killed the neighbor. I've since read comments that the director definitively said he didn't - so I guess that ends that debate.
Exactly. I think George or whatever the male reactors name is came up with that being the same hand writing in his mind (likes he’s nuts too lol). I didn’t recognize being the same and have never heard anyone else think they were same hand writing.
Nothing about this movie is DC canon. Though there are a few homages and references to some stories from the comics, it is very much its own thing. The comics canon also has a habit of being altered and changed over the years, especially since they'd have to keep telling new stories over 70+ years since the character's creation. So there really isn't one definitive canon to adhere to.
When this movie came out next day I obsessively started painting that Joker elevator shot with the red coat. Ignored everything and everyone for about a week and it was the best thing I ever made. ❤️ Really Love that mirror dance scene. The symbolism was perfect.
Joaquin deserved this Oscar. this performance was one of his best.
Agreed. As dark as it is, this movie is pretty goddamn funny, and he does a great job of toeing that line.
Ladder 49 is among my favorites of his, but he's had a lot of good ones. Gladiator of course, ladder 49, walk the line, the village, and joker. I haven't seen most of his others but I assume he's at least decent in them.
@@ThreadBomb 👍🏻
have you guys not seen The Master? He's mesmerizing in it.
@@Link122 easily his best performance
There are a million Joker origin stories. None of them are canon, at least more than any other one. It's part of the mystery and allure of Joker.
The Red hood one is about as Canon as you can get.
@@ravissary79 i think you are talking about "the killing joke" and that is the only animated movie not based on a comic. But as it turns out his comedian background is only fictional and he sais "if i have to have a past, i prefer it to be multiple choice"
It's part of the merchandising strategy by DC comics, along with all the alternate universes and alternate versions. Marvel aren't much better either, they both decided to keep selling new stuff based on old brands instead of trying to create anything fresh...
@@5calambres the killing joke is most definitely a comic... Written by Alan Moore... But the batgirl part in the movie is not from the comic...
@@5calambres the red hood backstory, the idea that there was this crime spree scam using innocent people kidnapped and compelled to do it while wearing the red hood outfit: this lore must exist outside a closed plot loop of the killing joke, because it's what is referenced by Jason Todd when he takes the name Red Hood, an ironic reference to the injustice which transformed him, while backhandedly referencing the one who killed him.
Also it's pretty much accepted that that plot of The Killing joke, or at least plot point touchstones, are Canon. Just not the implied ambiguous ending or the total mental destruction of Gordon.
"The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't" Arthur Fleck/Joker 2019
Arthur has Reactive Attachment Disorder.
I've always had an interesting reaction to statements like this. On one, yes, they are ill and should have some leeway but I've also seen people use that as an excuse to get away with being an asshole
@@MrFredstt yes addicts do the same thing as well as others. Only takes a few people to f it up before it becomes the standard.
@@MrFredstt Lots of assholes, but you can't overgeneralize. Society makes good people feel like shit enough. It's just like how people assume having a mental illness means you'll be violent.. we're more at risk being the victims OF violence.
That is such a profound and bittersweet statement.
Not only does he not kill people who are nice to him, but he never has his laughing seizure after killing someone. He’s calm
About Sophie's final destiny, Lawrence Sher, Joker cinematographer, said in an interview: "We wanted to make the interpretation of the real versus what’s not real, a part of the viewer’s experience. For instance, his relationship to Sophie is a fantasy to him. Some people have asked me, ‘Was she killed?’ [Director Todd Phillips] makes it clear she wasn’t killed. Arthur is killing people who’ve wronged him in a certain way, and Sophie never wronged him"
Well, she does have insane luck powers, so ...
@@flatebo1 Luck is not a superpower!
@@YarMazoy Yes, it is.
@@mage1439 Let's meet in the middle and say no it isn't.
@@slimbrady6691 yes it is
In that comic you were talking about at the start, bruce wayne dies in the alley, thomas wayne becomes Batman, and Martha Wayne goes insane over the death of her son and becomes the joker
Flashpoint...
I don't think he killed his neighbor. Him not killing the short guy proves that. Joker kills people in this movie that have wrong him, he is not just killing randomly.
Then he's not the Joker.
@@quark12000 I mean at the end he kills his doctor, someone trying to help him. He didn't officially become Joker until he relished in the chaos dancing upon a car. The entire movie was his arc, & he wasn't fully transformed until the last scene. So, yeah.
I'm sure he did, after all he barely knew her outside of his fantasy so killing her wouldn't be out of the question.
Meanwhile he did know the little guy from his job and he was sympathetic to Arthur
@@quark12000 yeah you missed the point of the movie then.
@@shrøømpizza-u1t Please tell me then.
i love the subtle detail of the use of stairs in this film.
at the beginning, we witness Arthur climb UP many stairs, and slowly through the course of the movie, the director decides to only show Arthur descending those same stairs, as if to showcase his mental state -- UP when trying to be an upright, moral citizen.. DOWN when he is spiraling into chaos. and in the final act Arthur is literally dancing down them. super clever.
It also displays his sense of struggle and exhaustion versus his euphoria letting go of behaving correctly and ethically, he’s no longer burdened by etiquette, law or ethics and can dance his way around town with minimal effort
One of the few times I'm satisfied with the academy award decision. Joaquin Phoenix NAILED IT
@@danholmesfilm good God, no kidding. But to be fair, if he got one for every deserving performance then he'd get it every year he makes a movie.
You guys nailed one thing about this movie to a tee - it feels like you're intruding on something deeply personal in the beginning to the point of being uncomfortable. Amazing writing/acting/directing! ... not a movie to break out for a movie night, though 😅
The camera work when he's inside his home reminds me of shaky cam, so close and the swaying movements. Makes it feel so personal as you mentioned.
Very visceral
When is it ever appropriate? And yet it is a masterpiece.
When you look closely at the journal, you see joaquin phoenix describes the death of his brother River. Very deep and disturbing.
I think it's pretty much confirmed that he spared the neighbor. She never did anything mean to him and barely engagaged small talk in the elevator. Remember why he spared Gary? Because he was the only one at his work who treated him nice.
My questions is was he really adopted.
It's very possible someone that rich could fake adoption papers.
@@carsonwentz8301Considering the doctor that signed off on all the paperwork is a villain with known ties to the mob in the comics, I feel pretty comfortable in saying he is Thomas Wayne's son
It was only confirmed after feminist groups actually protested the movie. It was meant to imply since he wasn't questioned then it means it was no victim alive to file a report. I believe that is one of the scenes they had to redo after focus groups. So they left it as ambiguous but yeah.
@@cliffd8380 No. The director confirmed it. It wouldn't fit with his character to kill her. Shut up & stop lying, troll lol
Nah...he killed her...he said that gary was the "only one" who was nice to him
The script has some interesting details:
"This story takes place in its own universe. It has no connection to any of the DC films that have come before it. We see it as a classic Warner Bros. movie. Gritty, intimate and oddly funny, the characters live in the real world and the stakes are personal. Although it is never mentioned in the film, this story takes place in the past. Let's call it 1981."
So, a sequel may be in the works, but don't expect it to tie into any of the other DC movies.
That fridge scene was Phoenix going full method acting.
He was supposed to create a mess in the kitchen, but when he threw the stuff out of the fridge, he just decided to step inside. It looked good, so they kept it in.
From a storytelling perspective, making him wayne's son would be cliche and super weak (soap opera stuff, really)... but leaving it ambiguous whether it's real or not, just to get the audience in the character's shoes with that messed up doubt, that makes it pretty good.
My favorite thing they do to give the audience the idea that Arthur is Wayne's son is when he meets Bruce. They look exactly the same, down to the clothes they're wearing.
Also, Joker has always been older than Batman by at least a couple of decades so for Bruce to be 10 and Joker to be 30-35 it makes perfect sense canonically.
I think this isn't the Joker who fights the batman but a man who inspired the joker that Bruce fights later
@@work1284 you gotta excuse some people because they think that the most recent story is the real story of Batman. They don't know the history 🤣🤣🤣
@@moonakieater2308 A true crisis on infinite earths, lol.
I love that the Joker has always been an unreliable narrator/storyteller. You don't know if he's telling the truth or not. Both this movie and The Dark Knight (different stories of how he got the scars). Amazing movie and great reaction!
Yupp, like it's always 11:11
“I'm not exactly sure what happened. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
@@ThreadBomb that is a real option hahaha
I was having an interesting time trying to understand the story in the theater when I was stoned and not familiar with the Joker story
It stands to reason that according to his version: Thomas Wayne and the entire Gotham city are all arseholes and turned him into what he is.
The comic book your referring to George is called The Flashpoint Paradox. Barry Allen Flash goes back in time to save is mom from dying, but makes a different future/present. Bruce is killed. Thomas becomes Batman and Martha becomes The Joker.
This movie hit suprisingly hard. It bothered me for a loong time after I watched it. Which is a hallmark of a great movie.
One of the best depictions of a deep mental illness in cinema, imho.
24:00 it's not hiding from the world, old fridges have mechanical latches. People used to kill themselves by locking themselves in the refrigerator because unless someone opens it from the outside you cannot get out. Which makes this scene not necessarily make sense, unless you consider that it is another of Arthur's fantasies; what he was thinking about/planning before he got the call and the opportunity to go do it on the show.
Joaquin: all i have are negative thoughts
Leto: All i have are negative reviews
For me, this movie was incredibly showing how we as humans need connection with other people, relating and interacting with them.
In the beginning of the movie, we see that due to his injuries as a child, he just never developed the skills to normally interact and connect with people on a social or emotional level. He's taking notes, trying to dissect and piecemeal what that is so he can have it, so he can seem more normal. But it just doesn't work for him - we're watching someone who wants to but can't. He's so desperately searching for that interpersonal relationship but is unable to do it.
Seeing him as we do and knowing everything he's going through, his attempts at being "normal" with the finger gun to the head, going to the comedy club, etc. just shows that he's not mean, he's not evil, he's just trying to fit in, he's trying to learn how to be a person. But he just can't make it stick and because of that, it comes across as creepy and unsettling to everyone else around him, further ostracizing him from what he needs most.
I cannot fathom how Simone doesn’t go insane having the earphones over her hair over her ears. Lol
They both have that going on.
I do it all the time without issue. You seem to be the odd one out because I’ve never heard anyone say this.
Oh yes, really don't know how she can do it, I can't, it feels weird and the sound of the hair between the ear and the headphones...
@Bu8813z I do the same its actually more comfy depending on your headphones and muffles high pitch noises
Yeah I've always thought that too.
Joaquin Phoenix was absolutely phenomenal in this film. Plus the soundtrack is so unsettling and brilliant. A sequel was just announced and I can't fricken wait
Wow you guys are so empathetic, it's actually really endearing. You guys are awesome. 👍🏼
It fascinates me to see some of the emotional responses and empathy where my generation would not give it a second thought, not complaining, it's refreshing to get a different point of view on some of the classics.
Their reaction to the movie made me far more uncomfortable than the movie itself.
It's called being human.
Well I guess some part of the world just squash humanity out of people. Like a lot of places in the USA.
Thanks Hector ^-^
@@CineBingeReact You're welcome 👍🏼
The director stated that the neighbor was not dead. By the way, I think at that point, Arthur still killed people who were mean to him.
the uncontrollable laughter is a real disease which I learned off of grey's anatomy and that show never lies lol
*condition, not disease.
@@fynnthefox9078 ah truth
when the young Bruce Wayne slides down his playground pole - thats a nod to the 60s Batman TV series where Batman had a 'batpole' he'd slide down into the batcave
This is one of my favorite films that I never want or need to watch again. Very rare for a movie to make me feel so depressed and uncomfortable yet still love it.
Kinda like Requiem For a Dream.
Same composer as Chernobyl. And the mirror dance was improv. It's when genius meets genius really. What a movie.....
While the mirror dance was *originally* improv, what you see in the film is not. The improv happened, they liked it, and then filmed a deliberate take of the idea that was improv'd.
@@Trepanation21 ahh, didn't know. It's rather a special scene:)
I did see them improv the show entrance like 20+ times, was funny
This is a brilliant social commentary on mental health and how we deal with it as a society. I think it's about as close to a perfect movie as I remember ever seeing and I'm glad to see it on your channel.
i think it is at its core more about class than about mental health. of course that is a theme. but that is also a problem with the film. it explains way too much and should look more on social structures than an individual story. it is also not very subtle.
apart from that it takes a lot of it from other (and better) movies.
"Don't stare at a guy while he's peeing!"
The Joker is a horrifying villain.
The sad part about this film, more than anything, is this is a reflection of how things work with mental health in the USA in real life.
Yep
And that society will be like this within the next few years.
@@Bentzel75 Well that's possibly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
@@Bentzel75 Plenty of people are from broken societies and don't resort to awful behaviour.
@@Bentzel75 its fine to have empathy for broken people but those who don't change and continue to hurt others have only themselves to blame. I come from a severely abusive backround and was raised by two mentally ill Narcissistic sociopaths for parents. They had plenty of time to change and get the help that they needed but they chose to let whatever happened to them in their past justify their abuse and evil acts and continued to be this way for decades. My point is you can either get yourself the help you need continue down a path of self destruction.
Me and my good friend sat outside the theatre on the curb next to his car for an hour and a half just discussing this movie after coming out of it. If that doesn't show anyone how brilliant this movie is I don't know what would.
I love how you associated his dancing with his metamorphosis. Love it!
That scene on the train, with the mother getting angry he made her kid laugh? I've had that exact thing happen to me on our local transit, some years ago. I was trying to joke with this kid and the mother became angry at me for causing the kid to "act up".
I have experienced many of the horrible things that happened to Arthur in this film - not the murder, of course, but the abuse he suffered, the mistreatment because he's mentally ill, the inability of others to understand him or understand the fact that he suffers from a mental illness. I am diagnosed schizoaffective, which essentially means bipolar and schizophrenia, and people put off by me have made my life miserable for as long as I can remember.
Arthur is right in that the worst part about being mentally ill is that people get angry at you when you behave like you're mentally ill. Even professionals who know you are ill will get upset when you act like it - as if you are aware and choosing to behave irrationally. I have informed nurses, prior to a medical procedure, that I will be delusional and confused when I wake up and they still get angry at me when I'm delusional and confused.
Blessings for you brother. You're stronger than most
Phoenix was phenomenal in the role. Never would have expected this movie from Todd Phillips, but also makes me want to see CineBinge react to his comedies, which is what he's known for.
He realized slapping the joker name over his bootleg taxi driver/king of comedy rip off would through enough people off the scent. Putting a great actor like Phoenix as the lead helped too.
@@FullMetalB - If you say so. Maybe they just had an interesting interpretation, and it did well. You don't have to like that it's not the Joker you want.
@@maximillianosaben I don't have a "joker I want" I don't care about the joker lol
@@FullMetalB - Act like it.
@@maximillianosaben You are applying your own interpretation to my comment. My comment is about this film being way too close to its uh, "inspiration" thinking that the main character being an interpretation of the joker would make it different enough. It doesn't. Film being essentially a rip off is my issue. Nothing regarding a comic book character. Need me to explain anything else that was already super clear?
8:33 that “ don’t you have to be funny to be a comedian “ line was golden
As a person who has been hit by multiple cars, the immediate response is to get away from the danger area. After that you assess the situation and then the pain sets in so you assess what is wrong with you. Thankfully the worst I got was a sprained wrist and an untreatable dent in my upper right thigh, but you are right with your reaction. Getting hit by a car at any speed is no walk in the park.
This movie is a good litmus test for what your own personal jumping off point is.
You’re allowed to empathize with Arthur to a point. But the director intended to push that to the extreme so that people will question when enough is enough.
One thing that's easy to miss: the first time Bruce sees Arthur he slides down a pole before walking over. This is a reference to the Batpole in the old Batman TV series.
I don't think he killed Sophie. It's not his style. He killed people for revenge, and in the end, to create chaos. He wouldn't kill people just for the sake of it. Remember that he let Gary go after killing Randall.
One thing I like about this movie is that it shows evil coming from somewhere. Arthur didn't start off evil. He was driven to it by a combination of mental illness and a toxic society. It's not just the lack of social services. So many people were cruel to him, sometimes for no reason other than their own amusement.
I also like how the movie turns on its head the cliche of the guy with a girlfriend who's way more attractive than him.
The sad part is if you look closely when he's on Murray's talk show, he's crying the entire time.
Also when he walks upto the camera after shooting Murrary the lightning changes and his suit looks purple.
Well he was planning on killing himself.
@@Outland9000 ah yes, the reminder
The mirror dancing scene gave me chills!
Great reaction. The movie is hauntingly fantastic. I am not gunna lie the fact that Simone legit argued that the mom had any credibility was pretty frustrating. They spell it right out. But still great job guys, fun watch.
0:26 Yeah you're actually correct in the Flashpoint storyline that was created when Flash tried to go back in time to save his mum which created a new timeline in which Bruce died in Crime Alley instead of his parents. Martha with the lost of her child went mad and became the Joker while Thomas Wayne became Batman one who used guns and killed. Thomas Wayne wore a pretty cool suit one I highly recommend looking up.
Unlike other DC Universe's that are disconnected from the main Earth the Flashpoint Earth was an alternate timeline closer to what happened in Back to the Future. Once Flash fixed this timeline this created a whole new universe starting the New 52 Comic's pretty much a reboot.
Earth-2 which is the Golden age Earth a classic rendition of characters before the 1950s Sliver Age. This was the mainstream DC universe from the 1930s to the 1950s being replaced by a new Earth. DC introduced the Silver Age hero's like Barry Allen as Flash and Hal Jordan as Green Lantern but as they already had counterparts in the comic's DC decided to set them on a new Earth called Earth-1 while the Goldarn Age hero's were from Earth-2 where The Justice League of America existed while Earth-1 had The Justice League which would come later. Earth-1 is pretty much the version of these characters most people know of along with where the mainline DC stories take place becoming the mainstream DC universe.
Earth-2 the universe in which the 1939 Batman is from a universe was kept alive by writers throughout the years even when the Main Earth-1 comic's were being pointed out Earth-2 stories were still being told. Funny enough there was a time when DC didn't inform readers what comic's took place in which universe as both Earth-1 and Earth-2 had Batman and Superman with the same designs with comic's releasing jumping between both universes.
This change in September 1961 with Flash of Two Earths when older Golden Age Flash Garrick meet Silver Age Flash Barry Allen's when Flash crosses over into the different Earth. Another funky aspect is Jay's Flash from Earth-2 is a comic book character in Earth-1 a character Barry knows and looks up too which is strange as if Jay is a comic book character wouldn't that mean that Superman and Batman are comic book characters as well even though they exist in Earth-1 as year hero's. Anyways this is the first time Earth-1 or Earth-2 are mentioned.
Earth-2 has many differences to the more mainstream such as Batman marrying Catwoman retiring as Batman and having a daughter who would later become Huntress, Helena Wayne. Dick Grayson is also the only Robin in this universe no Jason Tod or Tim Drake just Grayson. Wayne would only return to the role one last time after learning he was dying of cancer in order to stop Bill Jensen, who had been granted super-powers by the sorcerer Frederic Vaux.
Having failed to arrest Jensen, Wayne took a Batman costume from the Gotham Museum and decided to attack Jensen directly as Batman. The two fought until Jensen realized that he could not deter Wayne in his attempt to stop Jensen. Jensen decided to destroy Batman and himself with a mystical blast which succeeded in killing Wayne, revealing to the world that he was the original Batman.After tracking down and defeating Vaux with the aid of the Justice Society, the Earth-Two Doctor Fate erased completely from all people on Earth-Two the knowledge that Batman and Bruce Wayne were one and the same person. Wayne's daughter Helena and Grayson would continue protecting Gotham City as the Huntress and Robin until they were killed during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.Robin of Earth-2 actually met a younger Dick Grayson from Earth-1 along with Red Son Batman a universe where Batman was Russian which convinced Robin that Batman wasn't a person but a symbol leading to him taking up the mantle of Batman.
Earth-2 was recreated after Crisis on Infinite Earth's which also created a Prime Earth which was pretty much Earth-1 but with elements from other universes such as characters and cities from comic's DC bought and wanted to add them to the DC universe. With the new canon post Crisis on infinite Earth's Batman and many of the Earth-2 hero's died during Darkseid's invasion but alot of the past I mentioned like Batman getting married to Catwoman and having Helena Wayne this all still happened it's just how Batman died that was changed along with the events themselves and the outcome.
Now we get to our point on Thomas Wayne. So in Earth-2 it's revealed that Thomas actually survived the mugging all those years ago and took up the mantle of Batman to honor his son and attempt to atone for his own failures after Bruce's death. So yeah there's been two cases of Thomas being Batman in the Alternated Flashpoint Timeline of Prime Earth (Main DC Earth) and Thomas Wayne of Earth-2 who secretly survived.
Flashpoint Paradox movie with Michael Keaton may be going the same route
This guy DCs.
"Let me believe what I want to believe!" Oh Simone...so awesome.
One other comment: While it's left ambiguous, I think George is wrong about Arthur murdering his neighbor Sophie. Think about how he let Gary live after murdering Randall. He only kills those who have hurt him. Even though a fantasy, at that moment she asks him to leave, just as Gary needed help opening the door.
It wasn't a fantassy that he was in her apartment, He was actually there but didn't kill her as confirmed by the Lawrence Sher for the reasons you stated. He was just a stalker with serious delusions
@@ILikeCHEEZ9 your absolutely right. By fantasy, I just meant Arthur's fantasy that they were in a relationship.
7:15 Arthur's face here is actually a sign of Childhood Trauma. Often children who have been abused will smile and appear friendly even when under the stress of criticism or verbal abuse. Basically to appear as non confrontational as possible to avoid a situation similar to the abuse they sustained from happening. It's essentially a coping mechanism the body learns to avoid danger. This can make its way into adulthood as most coping mechanisms or reactions of a mentally or physically abused child do.
You guys need to appreciate how much of this story was real and how much was in his mind? Was he in the Asylum the whole time? The girl, love, the comedy show - did anyone of this happen?
When I saw this in the theater a lot of people complained about it. I was just happy that I had seen a great film that could bring mental health into the forefront of conversation. Great film
11 Academy Awards nominations, 3 Acadamy Awards wins, inlcuding Best Actor, Joaquin Phoenix. A masterpiece.
Don't forget a Grammy
I had goosebumps when the clowns lifted him onto the car in the theatre. The crowd actually cheered for the blood smile.
I remember seeing this in the theater and just sitting there at the end with all sorts of thoughts going through my head. And eventually I just had to get out of there and find something I could actually laugh at to feel better. Such a great performance and film, even if it did feel pretty bleak.
The stairs that Joker walks on is located in the Bronx, NY. There was a time when I used to pass them everyday. Since the movie, people pose for pictures on the stairs doing Joker's "dance" just as they pose on the street in London where the Beatles took their iconic picture found on the cover of the album Abbey Road.
I thought thoe stairs were in the Washington Heights area.
@@lethaldose2000 W 167th Street between Shakespeare and Anderson Avenues in the Highbridge section of the Bronx is where the scene was filmed. Although, there are similar step streets (the name of those LONG open air stairs in NYC) in Washington Heights, Harlem and Morningside Heights
@@clash5j I used to hang on 181st and St Nicolas St. I would often choose to take the "A" train instead of the #2 train because the "A" train is up the hill and it would mean I only had to walk my set of stairs.
@ 36:15 Simone says "...and they are also brothers...crazy!!". I freaking lost it LOL. Simone, i adore you. George, you are the reactor I need in my reaction watching. love you two!
I actually blurted out, “HA! F-you, Simone! BRFFTTHAHAHAAA!”
At that moment-an awesome tension breaker
This is quickly becoming my favorite reaction channel! You guys are so down-to-earth and radiate authenticity and positive energy, it puts other channels to shame. Thanks for your videos! Looking forward to more
When Arthur is on the payphone, you can see one of the beagle-sized "super rats" in the alley.....
Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy (especially) were both big influences on this film.
Too bad Scorsese's too far up his own ass to bother watching this film. After people had mentioned the homage to his films in Joker and whether or not he plans to see it, Scorsese said, “I saw clips of it. I know it. So it’s like, why do I need to? I get it. It’s fine.”
They originally wanted Martin Scorsese to direct it but he couldn’t because he was directing the irishman at the time. And somehow Robert De Niro got the part and managed to be in both films
I'm genuinely surprised you guys knew so little about this movie before going in. I can understand when it's an older film, but this was only from 2019 and it was a HUGE phenomenon; imagery from it invaded pop-culture so fast.
Was surprised they didn't immediately recognize "The Joker stairs"
Agree. Even if they haven't seen it before there is no way they could have avoided the amount of press and attention it got.
Joaquin lost 52lbs for this role and “Joker” was set in 1981
"28:53...'vhat'z-hissz-naem' fram Mayhem.."
Glad you guys liked this one! A very controversial movie, but I think, a great film. From what I understand, Joker didn't kill his neighbor. There was a scene cut from the film where they revealed she was unharmed and alive. Also, this film borrows from two of Martin Scorcese's films, "Taxi Driver" and "The King of Comedy" that are definitely worth seeing. In "King of Comedy" Deniro plays a struggling comedian, who kidnaps the host of "The Tonight Show" to get his act on TV. It was great that this time, he's the host.
I assumed anyone who watches this movie and doesn't cry at least once is either heartless, or has never known anyone with mental illness. As someone who struggles with a diagnosed anxiety and depressive disorder, just watching Arthur's struggles, even though this abridged reaction video seeing it for the umpteenth time, has me in tears. "The worst part of having a mental disorder is people expect you to act as though you don't" -- too fucking true. "Just go outside and take a walk if you're depressed, you'll feel better. I've been depressed before for like a month but I ate well and exercised and I got over it, so just get over it. Don't talk to me about it, it's so depressing!" Like, really, my depression is depressing? No fucking shit, genius! I'm looking for support, not for people to be trite and inaccurate and confuse sadness with depression in order to minimize my struggles.
...anyway. Good movie.
I have severe anxiety and depression and I think Joker sucks.
@@rocketdave719 I guess you're in that first group I mentioned then 🤷♂️ If you experience mental illness, then watch a guy get his ass beat and shunned from society for having one, and you're apathetic about it, then you're missing some empathy.
@@IceMetalPunkSorry that having a different opinion than you about a fucking movie makes me a bad person in your eyes. Just because I think Joker is overrated and shallow doesn't mean I'm lacking empathy.
the laughter is an actual medical condition called a pseudobulbar affect which can happen when brain injury is sustained. Phoenix (according to what I read) watched people with the actual condition and tried to recreate it as best he could. This movie is primarily about mental illness and a poignant (albeit visceral and gruesome) portrayal of what happens when we let people slip through the cracks.
woah George was right, its the same handwriting and he got that in his first watch, woah again
I love the hyper realistic Joker universe, with real NYC locations as Gotham. Every aspect of this film is just incredible - including the cello-heavy soundtrack. I'm very curious about where they take it from here, if they do go ahead with Joker2 or something else in the same universe.
I like how George sum's up the entire movie at the beginning - "ok so we have a sad clown"😅
"He's such a method act he grew extra joints?"
Notice how when Joker walks off the center stage of the Murray show into the blue lighting. The blue light hits his red suit and it makes it appear purple, like the classic joker suit he has in the comics, shows, games and such. It's like in that instant he fully transforms and truly *becomes* The Joker.
Robert Deniro is in this movie because he starred in a 1983 movie called "The King Of Comedy" where he actually had dillusions of being the host of a late night show that Jerry Lewis hosted. Deniro's character also lived with his mom and his love interest was a black woman as well. The paralles in both movies are uncanny.
you guys getting into this movie LITERALLY not knowing anything was gorgeous lmao. Expecting a Super-hero Villainy type movie and getting a deep character driven story about society will blow anyone's minds
"Let me believe what I want to believe." - Simone Haha
I really love how the movie ties the story of the joker together with social commentary. I see the joker as an analogy for a riot, people who have been abandoned by society will at some point snap and turn to sensless violence. As you said, the city reflects the joker.
For a dark movie this was pretty comedian friendly. Gary Gulman was on stage at the club. Sam Morrill was on the TV and Mark Maron was DeNiros assistant. There may have been others that I missed.
People were concerned about this movie inspiring people to violence. Instead, people went to the stairs and filmed themselves dancing down them. In enough numbers that locals were pissed because they'd get in their way going to work.
Such a fantastic film, easily my favourite DC content in years!
Had my own emotional roller coaster watching you guys react. Started off 😊 but then drop news that they are making a sequel to film that really feel like should stay in its own isolated story to this 😔 Hollywood just can't leave things alone.
The lingering questions for this movie are, what was real and what was imagined. The broader message is about mental illness, yes. But as far as this story, it was purposely made vague as to which murders were actually committed and which were fantasy. Or was he always institutionalized because of his illness, and the only true murder he committed was the therapist at the end? if there is a sequel--which is the rumor--i would think some of these questions will be answered, particularly if they indeed fold it into the Batman universe.
Lol I like how Simone latched onto the idea of Arthur as a Wayne and never let go 😆
Loved how you 2 reacted to this movie, one of the better reactions out there to one of the best movies ever made, with a rather small budget. Can't wait for part 2, although it was meant as a stand alone movie, it will never be as good but that doesn't stop my curiosity in finding out where the author is gonna take this!😃
PS: The neighbour girl(s) aren't dead, he never killed nice people or people he liked which are usually both (except his mother that he realised both not his mother as well as the source of his mental illness), 4 example Garry.
You guys missed the Zeitgeist when this movie came out. It was in late 2019. All those crowds at the end looked like summer of 2020.
My reaction was so different, I rooted for him through most of the movie even when he killed the 3 dudes. Now I'm thinking something might be wrong with me 😅
There's something wrong with me too then😁
To be fair who wouldnt be cheering about 3 wall street 🐷 being bodied
"Vhat's mit all tha beepr sjllabls flaschinh?"
Nominated for 10 Oscars including Best Picture but won for:
Best Actor Joaquin Phoenix
Best Original Score
It was the first DC Movie to be nominated for all categories.
It was also the highest grossing R rated movie of 2019, $1 billion dollars.
A Sequel, Joker: Madness For Two, is in development and will be turned into a musical with Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn.
11 Oscar nominations*
~100 awards won worldwide
Yea def not watching thst musical shit
If it's not just trolling and gonna be a musical i'm not watching it...
@@dsscam i hope so 💪
A Joker musical with Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga would be amazing. I really hope its true
There was a comic where Bruce dies and Thomas becomes Batman and Martha becomes Joker, but on the anniversary of his death they meet in the alley to remember him and how they went their separate ways.
Its actually heartbreaking.
I had to admit something to myself when I first saw this movie. When I saw those Wall Street guys get destroyed by Joker, i felt cathartic. When I saw how Murray (Diniro) met his end, I shouted, "You got what you deserved."
I accept this part of myself.
It’s healthy catharsis to feel these things in fiction
@@KayosHybrid thank you. I would never act on them. But I accept this part of myself.
The joke that he said you wouldn't get a the end is that the entire movie is the story Joker made up in his mind and told the audience and you bought it. In TAS and later comics he spun a fake sympathetic story to Harley to mess with her head and get her on his side, and now he did that same but to the viewers the movie
Joaquin Phonenix is great as Joker. I'm glad he won an Oscar for it. React to Batman (1989) and Batman Returns.
i find it a bit amazed that today, there are still people who are not aware of "nervous laughter" i have it (not in the same level as arthur of course, not even close" but i also augh whe i'm realy nervous
There's been rumblings of a sequel, given the reception of Joker (and rightly so!)
I also heard somewhere (really unreliable don't take my word for it) that the sequel would introduce Harley Quinn and would be a musical!
Now I love Sweeney Todd: Demon Barber of Fleet Street (put on react list pls 😁) so I'm all for it myself!!!
When we see him laugh at the end, it's the first time we see him laughing because he actually wants to instead of laughing because he's forced to
You should check out "Parenthood" from the 80's. Joachim Phoenix as an adolescent, Keanu Reeves, Steve Martin, a ton of others. Excellent movie.
To me the best idea of this movie is that the jokers laugh is an illness and he can't control it. Awesome!
It’s a real condition, I knew about it before the movie 👍 a genius must have suggested exploring head trauma in childhood for Joker
For the people who are familiar with Scorcese's "King of Comedy", you realize how much of an inspiration that Scorcese had on this film (De Niro was in that movie as well). If you haven't seen it, and you like Joker, I can't recommend that movie too highly.
One thing I will say is that while New York State, and NYC in particular has excellent mental health programs, as compared with almost anywhere else in the country, when you have to deal with government institutions like Social Security, Snap, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., as well as the various housing services, if you were not mentally ill beforehand, you'll likely be driven crazy simply by all the bureaucracy. There can be so many roadblocks to getting and maintaining necessary help, and when you have a mental illness, as bad as it is for anyone, it's far worse to deal with. If you can get some kind of a case worker to help you, that CAN be incredibly helpful. Unfortunately, I know that not all case workers are created equal. Years ago, I got a case worker, and I could never get her on the phone when I actually needed help. I also know people who've had really horrific experiences with the system. I know one person who literally lost ALL his benefits because his employer asked him to work a little overtime, and that put his income just a tiny bit over the limit. He worked one hour overtime, and lost everything.
That said, fortunately, MOST people do not have as bad an experience as the character in this film.
Neighbour isn't dead. There is a cut-scene, where she is sitting in Front of the TV watching Arthur in the Show. It was cut, because Todd Philips wanted every Scene in the Movie presenting Arthur's View.
One of the best movies of all time. What makes it great is that if you know nothing about Batman etc, it's still an amazing movie all on it's own.
No and no for me. I'm terribly sorry.
@@wet-read I'd try and explain it for you but
you wouldn't get it...
@@blackmancer
I hate it when people accuse me of not understanding something when in actuality I just don't like it or agree with it. I don't need anything explained to me. There isn't anything in the movie not to get. But whatever. I did bark up your tree after all. We don't have to discuss the movie.
@@wet-read have you watched the movie?
@@blackmancer
Yes, once. Shall I go on?
I think the entire movie was all in his mind.(with the exception of his conversation with the doctor at the end. Him killing her is in his head too IMO) His past, his condition, everything. At the beginning of the movie George said that he felt sorry for Arthur. That's what the story wants you to feel. It wants you to sympathize with Arthur. There's a lot of people that create scenarios in their head. Getting the girl, being successful, being understood. Even tragic scenarios. Mix that with a character with a great mental illness and you have what we just watched.
Simone isn't entirely wrong about them being brothers. The movie intentionally makes the viewer wonder, even with the discovery of the adoption papers. The biggest thing the movie tosses at the audience to instill doubt is the shot of the photo that Arthur looks at. It's of Penny, and it says, "Love your smile, T.W." I think you're meant to entertain the idea that Thomas Wayne used his power to fabricate adoption papers, etc.
Edit: Okay, Simone brings this up at the end, so obviously you were already aware. But I personally didn't catch any similarity between the handwriting. Even if it was similar, I'm pretty sure it's STILL meant to cast doubt in the audience's mind.
About George's question about the neighbor: When I saw this in the theaters, I assumed he had killed the neighbor. I've since read comments that the director definitively said he didn't - so I guess that ends that debate.
Exactly. I think George or whatever the male reactors name is came up with that being the same hand writing in his mind (likes he’s nuts too lol). I didn’t recognize being the same and have never heard anyone else think they were same hand writing.
24:00 back in the past, fridges hada lock, so if you stuck yourself in one, you might die trapped inside.
Nothing about this movie is DC canon. Though there are a few homages and references to some stories from the comics, it is very much its own thing. The comics canon also has a habit of being altered and changed over the years, especially since they'd have to keep telling new stories over 70+ years since the character's creation. So there really isn't one definitive canon to adhere to.
Simone: "I'm not saying it's Thomas Wayne...
but it's ✋Thomas Wayne.🤚"
When this movie came out next day I obsessively started painting that Joker elevator shot with the red coat. Ignored everything and everyone for about a week and it was the best thing I ever made. ❤️
Really Love that mirror dance scene. The symbolism was perfect.
No he didn’t kill his neighbour, no Thomas Wayne isn’t his dad.