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Hand it over. That thing, your Dark Souls lore video.
For my bros new lore video....
Arrggggghhhhhhh!!!
Is this the lore? The lore of the dark soul.
Drunken Muppet love this
Dear Vaati, unyielding tongue of DS lore.
Post, if you would. For that is our curse.
Lmfao
Darkstalker Kaathe DESTROYS Lord Gwyn with FACTS and LOGIC
Perfect title, now we just need to shop Matt Dillahunty onto Kaathe and Jordan Peterson onto Gwyn....
And thats why I always join the Dark side.
The year is 2019:
The US government is brought to a standstill by an argument about a really big fence.
The superbowl halftime show is an edgy rapper led in by spongebob.
Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight, is revealed to have been the ultimate libtard.
What a time to be alive.
BackwardsPancake Tis a great time my friend.
@@Ropewatch Keethe isn't really a dark side..
That’s the hollow knight ost in the background, I’d highly recommend checking that game out if you like the atmosphere of dark souls
Is hollow knight really Tht good
@@blackbroly yes it is
i really want to see vati do a lore video about hollow knight 🙄
@@ibrahemettish251 , me too! That game is the best "souls like" platformer
Masterpiece game! Loved Hollow Knight
The lore in this game is borderline biblical like a holy scripture
It is heavily inspired by western indo-european mythology.
@@theblancmange1265 In other words, nothing.
Dark Souls Bible: The Book of Oscar
it is.
@@theblancmange1265 i still think the heart of it is fundamentally eastern mythology. the cycles, immortality of the soul, concept of self... it only looks medieval european from a distance.
"kicks down door"
*IS THAT HOLLOW KNIGHT MUSIC*
ONE THOUSAND LIKES LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yaaaasssss
SOMEONE ELSE NOTICED LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(Quietly realizes how alike but different dark souls and hollow knight are)
THE SECOND I HEARD IT I WAS LIKE "YOOOOOO"
SHAW
Yep. It's all coming full circle now xD
>Game from 2011
>Still has new lore revealed in 2019
>Fukin love dis game
i mean, there are other franchises that have similar things happen to them like Neon Genesis Evangelion and uhhhh
yeah that's all i could think of
M just waiting for sekkiro
It's not really a merit since it's due to bad translation
Well.. technically it still reveal lore from King's Field from 94.. so?
@@GBlockbreaker And when it did happen? True secret of NGE is that there is no secret, as it was huge troll of Anno, what smart people did notice from the get go. Yes, they did retcon some things here and there, but notching radical did really change. Seriously, you are pretentious hipster now 0_0
It all ends in ash. I guess you could say that it reverts back to that gray formless world that it all started out as.
Here's a fuckin game theory for ya: there has already been at least one worldly cycle (age of ancients to age of fire to age of dark) before dark souls takes place. The age of ancients we know is the result of the world becoming ash, and the dragons we fight are the strongest of the previous cycle that survived to the end (since we already know especially strong people can become dragons)
the world of ash is also the deep sea that Aldrich envisioned
@@heliopyre our world...maybe
@@Edward-fh1xt Well King's Field had to have happened first thanks to the implication in the Old Moonlight spell and it included a beginning of the world itself in its backstory, which we don't have in Dark Souls (the Age of Ancients isn't the beginning of the world, since it's already formed).
@@aromardu Yeh! I'm surprised that someone else know that! I though for a time that literally everyone ignore that truth for convenience!
Gewn (with help of that backstabbing asshole Seath) only usurp power from old gods and basically framed them for all evil to justify his rule (most clear Demon Souls where god Sybal is revealed to be in fact The Old One
, though we fight with his third "dragon god of deep sea" servant, not him personally). Because of that Nameless King to atone his banishment attempt to solve the war and kill dragon god of earth and darkness Valad. It is when he learn that old eldritch abomination was in fact one who hold the Abyss in check and all leaks were result of imbeciles disturbing him, not his vile intend. It is why he decide to join dragons against his father to atone yet again.
Anyway, after world was swallowed by darkness some powerful lords usurp power of Valad brother, god of sky and fire and create fake sun to push away abyss (with dark souls being power of Valad). Problem is that dragon powers literally eat souls to power they magic so whole cycle is basically a bullshit. The thing is that true way is to end age of fire and elect new Dark Lord so it would pull back abyss yet again (what basically happen in DS3). Is only way to stop age of darkness. Future events of Demon Souls and Bloodborne are always related to someone trying usurp power of dragons again.
8:00 After all these years I've never noticed those ghosts were carrying babies.
I just noticed that too XD Is it only the ghosts that let out a scream when you approach them?
@@TB-zj1yy Yeah, they're called banshees
They must be friends with Oscerios, for they are both among those who carry infants into battle.
@@jakespacepiratee3740
Haha XD
Yeah the female ones....I think they are more closer to the Latino myth of La Llorona since that spirit looks for the childs she drowned, and the DS ones carries their drowned childs...
Dark Souls: *exists*
Vaati: *slaps hollowknight music*
『O C E A N M A N』 SHAW
Ultimatepronoob no
Fits nicely
GIT GUD!
Doesn’t fit all too much in my opinion
I know the lore is that the Nameless King is Gwyn's son, but have we ever talked about how much they LOOK alike? That close up was crazy.
Typically someones son looks like them...
@@geovannigonzalezz hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
@@ScyleOrnitier that was pretty funny
VaatiVidya is always a relaxing way to end the night. Love ya man!
No homo?
@@MrChewy8 Why not?
Does he count as a ASMR?
Yeah
Oh neat, Hollow Knight music! Two of my favorite games together in one video. Thanks Vaati!
Troll Toll about to comment the same thing! Brilliant games!
Was going to add this too! Flashbacks to dirtmouth
I wish Vaati did HK videos too. Would love to hear him talk about it. Or at least a prepare to cry, since most of the story of that game makes me wanna cry ._.
Maybe a foreshadowing of new videos?
I'd love to see Vaati dive deep into Hollow Knight for a special Prepare to Cry!
Just as a heads up, another parallel with Norse mythology is present. Ragnarok, the end of the world, is about the CURRENT world ending for a new one to be born. The gods selfishly guarded against the inevitable end and rebirth, or the path of the world, and tried to prevent it.
dark souls had significant lost potential by not including the giant wolf trying to eat the sun tbh
Come to think of it doesn't Odin collect the greatest of Warriors to perpetually, battle, die and rise in Valhalla so that they can be used s fodder to try and hold off Ragnarok?
Baldur and his brother are bae though.
The Aesir all know their place in Ragnarok. Some of the tales, such as Balder's story seem to have pushed it back, but it is up to interpretation if it was intended to. No matter anyway cause he did die and only await the aftermath of Ragnarok.
@@GreatKingIso wouldnt that be copying too much tho
I wouldn't mind if you made Hollow Knight lore videos, Vaati
With DS soundtrack in the background 👌
Check out Mossbag channel
"In the begining, There was nothing, Only light and bugs without mind to think, Voice to cry or soul to manipulate"
Vaati vs mossbag, lets go. 😂
ADINO
I appreciate you for making reference to DS2. Its lore is background info and details the struggle of trying to break the cycle with Giants and powerful souls, and the idea of the cycle as a whole. There are some people out there, such as Jake the Ashen Hollow, who absolutely refuse to acknowledge DS2 and its lore out of spite and not for some logical reason. That's why you're the best at what you do, you tell it how it is or how it can be interpreted with little to no personal bias going into it
You’re 100% right and I think DS2 haters simply refuse to acknowledge how the lore of the game assists us in understanding the canon of the curse. It’s a shame and at this point is such a joke. Their loss, Aldrich is one the best characters in the series and Vendrick was a predecessor to the Lothric princes.
This humble servant of Fina would never abuse the gifts he was granted to simply robb others of their humanity...
But if that is what Fina wants me to do, who am I to complain?
Heh.
**kicks you off of firelink cliff**
Prepare to be kicked
@@s.e.n3264 dark souls prepare to kicked edition
Heh
Gibbor me your ring
>about to go to bed
>Vaati uploads
Bliss
ChicagoMadePunk09 > just woke up from bed
> supposed to study for a test
> watches vaati’s video instead
Sleeps is for weak
Wazir Tahfiz do the hollow/ashen ones need sleep.
Wing ZX1103 our duty is primordial
Sleep thight my dude
I love that there's Tolkien's Elvish in these games.
There’s one particular thing I noticed that seem to be a recurring motif in dark souls 3
A kind of branches and tree like attributes that seem to show up in a lot of bosses and creatures in the game. I’m just curious is if there is some sort of explanation that I am missing.
You have the weird trees growing out of people in the first areas of the game after acquiring fast travel. You have the pontiff who after half his health goes down sprouts tree limb like wings, and there’s also those angel like creatures in both lothric castle and Dreg Heap (I am not referring to the angel knights) and I’m wondering if it has anything to do with some sort of residual of the chaos bed. It after all was a giant tree, I am also curious if there is some sort of connection between that fire and the one found at the profaned capital, which might make sense if there is since the pontiff have some sort of connection with it as well.
Some dude banged a tree woman and thats how Sulyvahn was made
@@pogd740 Sulyvahn came from the Painted World. His mom was one of those tree chicks and he hides his wings from his buddy Aldrich because he was made fun of as a kid by the wolf puppies. They picked on him because his dad wasn't cool enough to join the millwood dudes. That's why he has self-esteem issues now and why he left the painted world. He wanted a fresh start, but he wasn't allowed to be in charge in Irithyll because he wasn't from there and they thought he was hiding something.
Sulyvahn realized they were going to find out about his tree wings so he called up his old friend Aldrich, whom he met at some point after leaving the painting, and said something like "Bruh, there's this weird god dude/chick hybrid that is like, super nutritional. You should totally eat him. I'll spike his drink, you do your slime thing, and I'll be in charge here." Aldrich was like, "Aight" because he's a bro, and that's how Gwyndolin got ate.
In the beginning, there were only stone giants and great archtrees. As the world ends, mankind seeks to deify what remains of dragons, and the roots of ancient trees spread like a cancer in the undying. The last demon prince hides in the ruins of the great hollow tree.
@@PoetsAges written like Shakespeare
I highly doubt that the profaned flame is like chaos because the profaned flame is arguably way worse than the flame of chaos because whereas the chaos flame brought about the creation of izalith and an entire race of living beings and even made the existing beings more powerful the profaned flame did the opposite it corrupted anyone who contacted it, it destroyed the profaned capital and it indirectly destroyed yhorm and his legacy not to mention both flames looks quite different
Dark Souls is so fucking beautiful it hurts. So happy I'm a long time fan.
Your Best Friend! I’m a new fan and I’m so happy I decided to get this amazing game and it honestly has my tearing up when I killed gael knowing that would be the last new boss I’d fight for a long time
@@Chris-oh9mz Welcome to the fandom! Nice to have you. I highly reccomend if you haven't doing all the dlc for 1 and 2.
Me last year: Be awesome if they remastered by favorite game
Literally a week later: We have a trailer for you
I will still come back to ds1 after 10 years
@@Chris-oh9mz Gael was all the more impactful because he holds the entirety of the Dark Souls (or as much of it as was humanly possible to obtain) except for the final fragment which the player holds. Defeating him and claiming the Dark Soul for the Painter to paint a picture with is the way the world will start anew.
doo hollow knight you cant just put in the music and not tell the lore
Mossbag already has that covered, leave him his market!
@@zegreatpumpkinani9161 i know i also watch him but i would love it if more people could be exposed to it and vaatividya does a relly good job at explaining lore and showing how amazing it is
@@zegreatpumpkinani9161 i want every game lore ever to be read by Vaati voice
@@anhtruongminh2968 agreed.
@@zegreatpumpkinani9161 mossbag has a terrible sense of humor and lacks the great voice. I'd still love to see new Hollow Knight lore done proper and worthy of the game.
Im like "wat tf Hollow knight OST doing here"
Then I remember that we're actually hollows
And knights often too.
I always thought the Kath and King seeker were the head and the tail of the same body, a never ending serpent. It didn't matter which side you chose, they can only pull so far in one direction or another. It doesn't matter which choice you choose.
daaamn that's actually so cool
I can smell Hollow Knight all over this video
Vaati would make animations and put them in the vídeo
The soundtrack i was like 😑
2 masterpieces combined together.Hollow knight and dark souls....
@@kscanfly damn is it really that good? I couldn't get into it, it just felt so... I'm not sure how to put it. It felt like a game for kids or depressed people if that makes sense?
@@desty4030 Everything about Hollow Knight is just great to me. Maybe watching someone playing it for a while would make a difference. Like Millbee.
1:03
False
Oroboros is a symbol of infinite R1's, DMB Falchion, tryhardness, Tears of Denial and gank-spanking
When are you gonna do some Hollow Knight lore vids
Yeh.. game is great but it doesn't have deep lore.. Owlboy on the other hand.. shit! That thing is amazing!
Check out mossbag if you want to go in deep on HK lore. His tone is much jokier than Vaati's if you don't mind that, I think he does a good job at balancing lore analysis and somewhat classic Otzdarva-type humor.
@@jahrfuhlnehm I know HK lore, just I'm not a hipster like you 0_0
Would love to see him tackle it someday. There's alot to talk about from what i've found so far and with the inclusion of Hornets dlc alot more will be added.
@@TheRezro uh, what? Hollow Knight does indeed have deep lore. Are you just basing this off of playing through it and thinking there wasn't much lore because that is very similar to how Dark Souls is. You play through it and get the simple idea of some things that are going on and that's it. However, if you take the time to find out more, you realize how much shit you didn't know and how deep the lore goes. This is the same for Hollow Knight.
To the western audience maybe jorgmander is THE world serpent, but in the east, it's not the case. The Eastern world serpent is adi shesha, or ananta shesha(infinite snake), an important figure in both Hinduism an Buddhism. In Hinduism He represents time, and encircles the world and is responsible for the the start of the next cycle. Way more fitting then jorg. And this wouldn't be the first Hinduism inspired lore, manus is derived from mānu(the proganitor of mankind in Hinduism). The Ralf Griffith translation of veda added the s to manu, hence making his name 'manus'. Also adi shesha has multiple heads, that makes you think weather framt and kaath are different beings or not, maybe they are one entity with a very different goal from what we understand
Honestly I dont THINK I've ever smiled while reading that that's fucking awesome I love how all myths HAVE diffrent gods bit same animals as gods
Would this make "the world's logic" equivalent to Vishnu in relation to Kaathe then? I wonder if perhaps the name was changed in the west in order to make it more clear it could actually be referring to Ananta, to those who might be acquainted.
Love the introduction to Hollownest music. It is perfect for the Abyss episode, since the void is basically a more stable abyss.
1:07 ...Falchion R1s
But it's ok, It's vaati
saint_riot I was thinking exactly that!
not enough verticality here
Where?
the snek is backstapping itself
Hollow Knight music in a Dark Souls vid. A true masterpiece.
Huh. I never realized Anor Londo was named in Sindarin.
@WGIYV anor/anar (sindarin/quenya) means sun, and I think londo comes from lond, like Harlond port in western shire
@WGIYV Yeah. It makes sense now, knowing what I do about the language, I just never thought to make the connection.
Assuming the intended meaning is "land of the sun", I believe a more correct name would have been Anordor/Anodor, Anardor/Anador or even Andor or Anor
My question is why Dark Souls used Sindarin lol. I'm not against it at all, but it seems so random, especially for a Japanese studio.
@@joshuacreeger9171 Really? That made me grin from ear to ear. Just makes me happy.
"They are saught after for their knowledge and understanding of the universe."
Too bad they're HUGE liars.
Hollow Knight's soundtrack goes so good with his speaking on the background, it's just so peaceful and relaxing
Not the Nosk sound. That thing is a Heart Killer...
Is that Hollow Knight music I hear!?
Yes, it is even mentioned in the video description...
Oh yeah, yeah
Yeah
Yeah?
is the last song from hollow knight?
I love that you’re using the Hollow Knight music in the background. It’s so beautiful and fits your style really well.
Kaathe instigating the age of fire: "You know what you guys need? To wage a war against the Everlasting Dragons."
Kaathe instigating the Chaos of Izalith: You know what you need? To remake the first flame with your own soul.
Kaathe instigating the age of Dark: "You know what you guys need? To usurp Gwyn's age of fire"
i love how the Fromsoft, from japan, understand and can apply Norse and European philosophy and paganism more than western studios *cough cough* UBISOFT
In a lot of ways, this interpretation of the lore reminds me of how Odin is portrayed in God Of War: Odin knows Ragnarok is coming, and by all rights, it should be unstoppable. He should accept it, not fight it. Yet Odin will perform any action, no matter how vicious, cruel, or heartless, to either prevent it or to have some measure of control over its outcome.
Spoiler below...
Even place a curse on the Valkyries so that all the Nine Realms, including Jotunheim, home of the giants, are flooded with the undead. He overturns the world's logic, and makes life a hell on Earth for all beings, in the hope of preventing or at least delaying the end of Asgard.
Isn’t jotunheim the home of the giants?
Doesn’t make your point less true tho
@@skyzgone2953 That's a problem with the English terminology calling most things "giants" both Muspelheim and Jotunheim are home to Jætter, which can be anything from below human size to mountain size.
I'd say there are more similarities to Norse mythology than God of War, f.ex. Odin doesn't fight ragnarok, Odin fighting is part of ragnarok, like how Gwyn fighting the vaining light became part of the cycle instead of stopping it and that it was Gwyn reigniting the flame that destroyed the world, just like how the world shattering nature of ragnarok comes from the war of the gods and not because ragnarok is the end of our world. Ragnarok is the fate of the rulers/kings/gods (quite literally in fact) which is also something that can be compared to the lore of Dark souls, in which the entire cycle is much more a matter of changing the upper echelon and average mortals suffering because of it, than it just being a naturally occuring planetary cycle or something, where everyone loses.
@@omega1231 Odin did try to stop Ragnarok in Norse mythology, it's just that the things he did, like binding Fenrir, seem to lead to it rather than stop it. It was inevitable and he would have to fight in it eventually but it is true that he tried to defy it.
@@MonkAndra Odin didn't defy ragnarok, ragnarok was the result of him defying the natural order (or atleast the natural order as Hel sees it) as it comes about because Odin retrieves Balder from Helheim, making Hel go on the war path. That's also why Odin has been gathering an army specifically for the purpose of fighting Hel ever since Balder ended up in Helheim after Høder shot him, and the rest is prophecy.
My point is that Ragnarok is just something that happens as a consequence of the gods duking it out, not something anyone is fighting against because they all know it's inevitable, it's their fate, quite literally.
I always found a lot of interesting connections between Dark Souls and mythologies.
Let's take the "Der Ring des Nibelungen" from Wagner. In that opera cycle Wotan (Odin) disrupts the order of the world by taking to himself the reingold, forged into a ring, a force of nature that should belong in the Reno river. With that force he reinvigorate the fleeting age of the gods and even use it to give light to his holy city, Valhalla. The ancient diety Erda, a diety that doesn't meddle with the other gods, tell him to shun the ring, but he didn't listen. Some time later this bring to the end of the age of gods forever (Götterdämmerung) by the actions of Siegfried (half human) and Brünnhilde (daughter of Erda).
Also in the Shinto folklore, Susanoo-no-Mikoto is the god of storms (Nameless king), brother to the goddess of the Sun Amateratsu (Gwyneviere?) and Tsukuyomi god of the moon (Gwyndolin).
That excellent Jormangundr pronunciation tho
Well, there's always different ways to pronounce and see things, however, the most important thing when communicating, whether verbally, with signs, telepathically or in any other way, is that We understand each other and that, often times is the main reason we communicate, self-expression. Just My current view but yeah.
My loins twitched when I heard.
I'm not going to lie, I have no idea if the pronunciation is accurate or not, its just really pleasant to listen to + vaati's already great voice.
Its excellent listening
But... the name is Jörmungandr. Not Jormangundr o.o
But yes, the pronunciation was very good.
@Jan Jappie not really lmfao. Things can be passed down into the realm of accessible knowledge buddy.
I always find it strange that Kaathe's priority in the first game is to let the fire die on its own while a Dark Lord rules humanity, while in the third game his goal is to usurp the fire for the Dark Lord. He never seems to want someone to actually put the fire out. Or maybe he believes a Dark Lord using the flame would accelerate its death? Idk.
1:29 *When you feel like you're in Dirtmouth again*
Ain't that song from hollowknight? Btw Vaaty, you could jump into their lore, why not, bet you would love it and Maybe even put some people towards a great game!
Yus, some Aldia. I was just playing some Scholar of the First Sin today, and Aldia has got to be my favorite character from Dark Souls 2.
Nice! Creighton personally
@@cocacampbell4396
Creighton would be my second favorite.
DS2 > DS1 don't @ me.
@@the3diamonds472
I actually agree. 2 is my favorite of the trilogy.
My favourite character in the series. Yuria (ds3) and Creighton follow
Hollow Knight music?!?! D8
I swear to god Vaati, if you've played Hollow Knight and think you can just slip by without making videos on it...!
I can imagine the dark souls in a summary parodies in this game!
"Hey ogrim, How is isma doing?"
"Still hot..."
Why is there Hollow Knight music? And also can u make lore vids of Hollow Knight?
Primordial means the beginning of time. Time begun when the first flame began - which corrupted dragons, which made serpents. So, no, "Primordial Serpent" is still correct.
nope. tell me where it is stated that there was no time before the first flame. the 4 lord souls are Life, Death, Light, Dark. nothing about time. with primordial they mean that the serpents are there since the beginning.
@@pard2397 Because the passing of time is a form of disparity and disparity didn't exist before the First Flame.
@@blackfyre7900 There is not even a cycle of day and night. The day and night cycle is Age of Light and Age of Dark. Also the serpents are there to represent Ouroboros the neverending cycle of life, death, dark and light. They are there to make sure that ages can begin and end
@@pard2397 There is a day and night cycle. There is quite literally places in the game where it is night, such as the Darkroot Wood and Basin.
Also, show me some evidence that the Lord Souls besides the Dark Souls are specifically to do with light, life, and death. Pull up some evidence. I have a feeling you're the type of person to watch a Vaati video and take it as irrevocable fact.
@@blackfyre7900 if you want evidence watch the intro of dark souls. it´s stated a houndred times that the souls are light (Gwyn the lord of SUNLIGHT), dark (Dark Soul), death (Nito) and Life (witch of izalith).
Next. Nope no day and night cycle. always sunny in anor londo and always dark in new londo and dark root forest.
hmm.. wait a minute the sun in anor londo is fake and if you stop the illusion it´s suddenly dark. wow how could that be?
it´s gettin dark cause the flame is fading and it´s extra dark in places where the abyss is strong. Please look up Ouroborus and take a look again at dark souls. there is a neverending cycle hosted by serpents.
A video about the abyss with hollow knight songs, I see what you did there, great video man.
I'm always ready for a new Vaati Vidya!
Dark souls 2 tells us that Light and Dark are actually the same. Different perspectives of the same flame. In that sense the serpents are actually the same as well. Whether it is Gwyn on the helm or some human, nothing really changes. I think that is reflected in how the serpents represent the two edges of "whole" World Serpent.
Yes, basically..
Choices in 1 are the same, but Light and Dark aren't. First Sin disrupted nature and Undead Curse forces Flame to be rekindled over and over agein. Age of Fire doesn't just go away on it's own, you need to defeat the Curse to let the Dark come. Bearer of the Curse escaped the cycle thanks to the crowns, but the world at larg was still stuck in it.
Kathe is just the other end of frampt. They don't have butts it's just a different serpent on the end
@@zipzap872 I heard that theory and in fact consider it as quite cool.. or it was confirmed?
DS2 > DS1 don't @ me.
*ends the video talking about Thor and Jörmungandr* I would like to thank Loki
0:50 Goddamn Orochis breaking into our Souls games, top-lighting our fridges, zoning our vases, and guardbreaking our mothers...
SPAM R1!!!
I feel like Gwyn is often misunderstood about his Age of Fire. People say he was selfish. Yet ¿what would be of the world, should it sucumb to the Dark? Sure, it would mean the end of all life as it is known. So as it was with the Age of Ancients. But can you truly judge a king for doing all in his power to protect and sustain his kingdom? The people and all those who live in it? In the end, it is just delaying the inevitable, but would you just step aside as you see the whole world go dark? If you are the king, god, founder of the Age of Light and Fire ¿would you just let it all be consumed? It was his personal responsability, and his last act of altruism was consuming himself in order to kindle the fire. Gwyn was the Age of Fire, and he did all in his position to protect it and ensure the world would not be engolfed in shade.
In such a world as of DS, we should ask ¿who were its inhabitants, its founders, and who were the intruders or underdogs? Man is born from the dark soul, inherently contrary to the souls of lords of the age of fire. They and their people built the world. They were gods in their own right. The dark nature of man himself was its demise. So ya, as I see it, Gwyn did nothing wrong. Of course, we as humans would probably benefit from an age of dark (¿probably?).
True but as humans to look at it through the eyes of the cursed humans in the dark souls series it would be like throwing all of our will away to beings who proclaim themselves a higher power than us. Mankind in dark souls were condemned and enslaved due to their natural born affinity to the abyss. Something the self proclaimed "Gods" of lordran more than anything feared. Gwyn was right to fear the dark soul but the world itself became shackled and scarred due to his failure of understanding the dark for what it truly was. This even now mirrors into our own world were it seems as though one side of the world wants to move forward and forge a new fate for its self and the other side wants to cling to the ways of the old and do what has been deemed as natural order through the past and history.
I like to think that, When gwyn joined the soul of cinder, It was the only time that he battled to not see the world go dark, Not for power, Not for that "humans are going to be powerful" bullshit, Only a man that don't wanna see the world go dark
Your point only holds if we ignore ds2 and ds3, which both showed him using and betraying his comrades in order to prolong his rule. Removing man from history after the fight with dragons, banishing an entire race of creatures to the end of the world and placing a dragon to guard over them. Intentionally creating the undead curse and convincing mankind to offer up their humanities to prolong his fire and weaken themselves to the point that no man could be strong enough to become the dark lord to oppose him.
The thing is that you are taking dark as the meaning of everything going in a terrible or malignous way. Dark in this game i think that just refers to the dark soul, thus meaning that the age of dark is simply meaning the age of the creatures which come from this dark soul. I am not saying that your theory is wrong, since on dark souls all is convoluted as Solaire states. Also you can se to further sustain my point prosperous human/dark kingdoms, Carim Catarina and Astora.
@@Mestrinox Thing is, the race relationship is hard to explain. I mean, what the fuck was Gwyn before finding the lord soul? Just a tall and strong man?
"In the end, the world's logic doesn't go from light to dark, it simply burns out and ash inherites the world [...]"
So from what I have gathered: (Just a thing I thought I'd do)
It is the nature of the world to end in darkness as light needs energy and no source will last forever. Those born to light will fear the darkness as they do not understand it. They do not understand the darkness for the darkness is humanity; an undefinable thing.
Therefore the children of light (Gwyn and the gods) extended the light which was only good for them by burning themselves and only leaving humanity, the darkness, behind to itself work as kindling. In the end they burn the world's future away to ash.
As such Change will always happen for, that is progression in time, those who resist time will burn away their future through futile determination.
Dark Souls requires determination to finish the game and light the fire to perpetuate destruction or to let it fade and through sacrificing your future and stability making the world progress and grow.
(further simplification) We fear change but we are at heart it's engine.
After playing the Remastered for the first time, I started seeing it as the primordial serpents were pretty much the wisest of all who guided those within power. However, Gywn being the first known to defy the natural logic of the world, Frampt remained loyal to the one who ruled all while Kaathe retained his realistic reasoning that even a god shouldn't defy the natural order.
Damn.. This story is amazing..
"I won't have time ... in the upcoming months, I'm sure some of you know why"
Someone wanna explain this cryptic spot o' lore?
He fulfilled his biological imperative ;)
@@Shruikan101 HUH?! O_O Vaati is gonna have a baby?! O:
NEXT DO HOLLOW KNIGHT I CAN HEAR THE OST DON'T YOU FOOL ME
Ash can be a fertilizer. It may very well be that a new set of Arch-Trees spout from it, restarting a world of grey.
Maybe surviving dragonkin become dragons themselves
Nop. They spread from Valad. It is in fact same thing what surround The Old One from Demon Souls. At the time when DS take places they are already dead what lead to world without solid ground collapsing into the Abyss.
I don't believe demon souls and dark souls are canonically linked.
@@BigKevSexyMan And I respect your opinion.. though I didn't even mention this fact here, so?
Well, you say that they're "same thing what surround The Old One from Demon Souls", implying that events of dark souls and demon souls are linked, but there's no real evidence or confirmation of that.
Your last statement also seems to imply that dark souls takes place after demon souls.
Also, my statement wasn't even a reference to the origin of the arch-trees, but a statement of what could possibly rise from the current state of the world in dark souls 3.
THESE TRANSLATIONS REVEAL SO MUCH, THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING THIS AMAZING VIDEO SERIES ABOUT THIS AMAZING GAME
I can think of some things to make some videos;
- ghru
- lothric
- sens fortress
- Aldrich and his deacons
- seath
Lothric is pretty vague for an entire video
Something weirdly satisfying hearing you say "Jormungandr", gotta admit.
Probably because his pronunciation was absolutely perfect.
Before seeing this, I always felt that the Dark ending of Dark Souls 1 was the most logical ending, since the fading of the fire was meant to be part of the course of nature.
Now that I've watched this video, having learned that Kaathe might not have even meant to corrupt Oolacile and New Londo, but just wanted to learn about the world, I'm starting to think that the Dark ending could actually be the "good" ending, in a sense.
Of course, I use the term "good" pretty loosely. This is _Dark Souls_ we're talking about. But at least the Dark ending seems to have more going for it now.
I like the hollowknight music in the background. Tasteful
I appreciate these videos vaati. Dont let anyone tell you that you're just milking the series
It's 2019 and there's still more lore in this game to share...
This was so nice to listen to with the Hollow Knight soundtrack in the background 😁
Ah. That sweet, sweet Hollow Knight music. Your taste truely is absolute.
Next:Ludwig Lore 👍
Even in this darkest night... i see... potential for a good lore video
How about a prepare to cry for ludwig??
I really wish from software would explore areas that are underwater in future games
Imagine a dark souls enviorment with wrecked ships or giant underwater caves or and endless abyss desending in to the true bottom of the sea which would actually be a backwards world in a way
Imagine playing trough the game and all of a sudden you realize all this time you've been upside down
And then you ascend to the merky dead soil of a world wrecked by missfortune,betrayel, and misery
A failed world of pirates corrupted by their own lust and greed
That'd be kinda neat :0
Ocarina of Time's water temple Dark Souls edition is where my mind went to with this. Sounds more brutal than the Ornstein Smough fight.
Underwater Souls would be terrifying...
Aldrich most likely visioned the same scene we witness in cutscene after Filianore sends us forward in time. Those ash dunes look like a sea at first glance.
So No mans wharf but no insta death? Im up.
I was thinking the ash end would lead to another coming of dragons perhaps. Reset to the start from the ashes the world born anew to be completed correctly once again.
If they make a Dark Souls 4 in the future I really want it to be of the new painted world we created. No more of this current world colliding into itself stuff, I want a fresh world so they can really explore some new stuff in the Souls series. Would be cool to see new characters, have never skills and weapons basically a refresh for the series while still being Dark Souls.
I believe the show of the world at the end of time shall solidify, once more, into gray, stone crags.
I bet Frampt and Kaathe are connected like Catdog
Maybe In the dark ending in ds3 there’s serpents on either side so they may be all snake snake
" I use to be an adventurer like you until a primordial serpent told me to much lore and logic"
-Skyrim-
Did I hear the hollow Knight soundtrack there?
If the Abyss comes from humanity being suppressed for too long, could Manus actually be the corrupted version of the original fourth great lord, the Pygmy? He is called the Father of the Abyss, but maybe he used to be the Father of the Dark Soul as well?
I don't want to be a bummer but, seeing a Dark Souls 4, even though From Software didn't abandon the idea, seems very unlikely to me.
The fact that Aria created a new painted world with the blood of the dark soul suggests that we'd see a whole new world in the next opus.
The way I see it, the original world where the trilogy takes places has finally come to ashes. It was burnt not by it's inhabitants, but by Gwyn who tried to trick the world's logic. But in the end, that logic still won.
Hence, the solution that Slave Knight Gaël found: have a new painted world made. So that humanity can have a world, and an era, of it's own.
Hollow Knight music?! Hnnnnggg!
"He found the Dark Soul." Roll credits.
It was always in me 🧐
@@flappynautintheocean8824 The real Dark Souls were the friends we made along the way.
This is so beautiful. Thank you Vaati and Loki
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Your emoji combination...is horrific D:
Cover thy face child, Doth thou seek thine rod?!
Maybe I'm slow, but in Dark Souls when we discover that the soul and curse are one in the same, it seems a metaphor for dealing with depression, lack of a soul. Gwyn locked hollows away, preventing them from dealing with this new state of being. But at the end of Dark Souls 3's Lord of Hollows ending, when all hollows are united, and everybody's souls have been burned out because of some old bastard's curse, only then can we deal with it together. Even the brightness and color of the eclipse, which represents the dark sign, is different and new.
Hello,
Thank you for insightful video. It was great watching it and considering all the information that was brought in it. Yet, I'd like to propose something - I would refrain from using "world logic" as an attribute of the world itself. Rather, I'd propose to use "laws of the world". That doesnt mean I want to discredit the whole premise of this term. Logic, per definition, is the study of the forms of thinking, as such it might be not the best way to presuppose that the world has logic in itself, as it's certain quality. On the other hand, any sentient thought contained within said universe can possess means of grasping logic and therefore becoming a mean for the world to know itself, hence contain logic, and by extension, as the world is accessible by cognizant agents, can be deemed "logical", BUT in the sense of "being able to be processed by mind". And now, why am I even bothering to say this? Because such distinction can bring a very interesting questions to the table about the world of Dark Souls:
If we can distinguish between logic and laws of the world then what really Gwyn did? Did he really defy the laws of the world, or are they inescapable? By the premise of the notion of the First Sin, we know something terrible happened, but that might be because the logic that's within the world changed - in this case it means that the inheritance of ash is according to the laws of the world, but such outcome was never possible before the First Sin event, but the change in the logic meant that everything within the world that's sentient was affected by the newfound possibility of world of ash being the end times, and not the cycle of fire and dark.
There is an interesting parallel here - in norse mythology there is quite the debate about the outcome of the Ragnarok - after all the gods are dead and fires of Muspelheim destroy everything, there will be nothing left, the world will return to it's void-like state of Ginungagap. But some scholars believe, that after that, an advent of new world would come, completely different from the one that preceeded it. This, is of course debatable because some think the christianization of the Scandinavia brought this idea of new emerging world from the void, (like Kingdom of Heaven sorta thing) but others debate that if the world emerged from the void in the first place, Ragnarok wouldn't bring the finality to creation in itself. To continue the parallel - First Sin would be what halted the Ragnarok, and opened a compeltely new path for the world, that still can be argued whether is or isn't according to the laws of the world in itself. But at the very least, such event would bring a complete reevaluation of the perception and conceptualization of the world, logic in this case, by all sentient beings contained within it.
So finally, to reiterate - how significant Gwyn's sin really was? Did he defy the world, breaking the rules, or really changed it, still in accordance to all the laws that are possible within the world, but instead affected all that is sentient?
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After Age of Ash, it all resets in the Age of Dragons, then King's Field, the origin of Moonlight comes about again. :)
Vaati can you please start doing Hollow knight lore videos.
Hollow Knight music?????? YOU SHOULD DO HOLLOW KNIGHT VIDEOS!! @indeimaus
Its a bit of shame that most voice acting in the Dark souls games sound so.. Unimpressive. I'm sure you dont notice if after a while when you play the games, but as an outsider, the voice acting just seems very much like they just pulled someone in from the streets saying "Hey, sound old and wise".
Ive always felt like it makes sense for dark, once it takes over light, to then give way to another age of dragons and so on. I got that vibe a lot from ds2. Is this ever really mentioned as reality? or no? It doesn't seem like it. Also I remain a little confused as to why the painted worlds held so much significance at the end of ds3. There has got to be more to why that is.
The painted worlds simply offer a way out of the never ending bullshit of the world.
Funny, I just posted a comment referencing you, ON A HOLLOW KNIGHT VIDEO, and then look at this. One of if not my favorite OST of all time btw.
nice to see a fellow player
the lore is amazing and is so deep i love it
Weird to have HK music over Dark Souls footage. It fit so beautifully. :D
Are you planning on hosting another ds3 tournament? I missed the other one and would like to fight you :)
Maybe the primordial serpents are based on the grootslang, ancient creatures from African myth that are giant, half-snake half-elephant monstrosities that are incredibly strong, cunning and intelligent. They are said to have a great desire for gems, offerings of which are the only way to save oneself from their second greatest desire, their lust for cruelty.
Bear in mind that Frampt will happily take all your pretty little rocks, and the fact that neither of them offer any solution that doesnt involve the mass suffering of some group of people, be it the creatures of light (and possibly everyone else who even knows) if you side with Kaathe, or the endless cycle of suffering created by Gwyn if you follow Frampt.
9:40 I want this in my desktop so badly :(
Give me that smooth, calming voice!
"Your ancestor claimed the dark soul and waited for fire to subside.." Isn't this what gael was doing? waiting at the end of the world? Hoping that the painter would paint a new world? One were dark would rule? Also side note the story of how the inhabitants of new londo drowned is very similar to the inhabitants of the fishing hamlet? Maybe the beast's curse is another type of the abyss?
I would love a Dark Souls 4 that takes place in a world of Ash, or perhaps even what might come after. The age of man? The world painted with the Dark Soul? or something else entirely? or perhaps even one that goes back, back to before the first game with the thought that the end of Dark Souls 3 truly is the end of the world and there is nothing after.
Man, I wish Vaati would start doing lore videos on other "Souls-Like" titles, I would love for him to do a series on the new 2D platformer: Blasphemous
I totally agree
Gwin destroys the world and the 'Dark soul' is used to make a new one where humans are free.
It's probably intentional that dark was used as there is a natural stigma against it, being that the game is full on propaganda for the age of fire that breaks down on review.
It's quite insightful on the nature of deception.
So glad you’re still doing lore Vaati. Despite Dark Souls’ age, it still manages to draw so many people back into this world that you’ve expanded on, If only for 20 minutes.
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I did not realize the ghosts were holding babies until I saw the close ups in this video. That is some f'ed up stuff right there.