1 Difference between High and Low Spring Tension - Pedal Settings
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2022
- I wanted to show you the 2 key differences between high and low spring tension so you can find pedal settings that works best for your playing style and requirements.
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Looks like your feet are getting a lot quicker, great work!
Well it's been a lot of practice hahaha thanks, have the best weekend!
Awesome!
as someone who is trying to get faster and more efficient at using my kick drum this helps a ton, great advice
Glad you find this helpful! I've got 3 other videos like this on kick drum technique too if they'd help you, check them out!
Very VERY good advice!!
Cheers Brad!
The thing with high tension is you can sometimes get Whifs or double hits
You can also get those with low or mid tension. It's about developing the control to use whatever tension you desire
hey my double kick doesnt have thoughs metal things that spin and im trying to fix it@@ArtOfDrummingHQ
Yes!
THANK YOU! I’ve only been drumming for about a month- month and a half give or take. Bro you just blew my mind. I can’t even say how helpful this was. I need to get better at tuning and understanding the full build of the drums for these reasons!!!
Okay if you are so new I don't recommend max tension at all. It can tire and frustrate you too quickly. Start at medium or halfway. Then as you build strength and speed, tighten it 1 turn every month until you hit your desired tension. I was overzealous in the past and ended up injuring my ankle tendon. Hope that helps!
11:45 am, I played drums eons ago. getting started again. ha. I never knew what spring tension actually did. this is awesome! thank you for this knowledge. 😊
Hey thank you! There are other nuances though that this short video didn't cover. Like every spring and pedal is different. My max tension here is because the dw springs are on the lighter side. If you're using a pearl demon drive for instance, the springs are very stiff, so I won't max them out there.
I finally found the difference between tight and loose springs thank you!
Glad it helped!
This guy explain this in a short perfectly and there are videos 10 minutes long explaining this.
Ah it ain't perfect, but I did my best and I'm glad you think this is that helpful. Appreciate it alot!
Thanks for this! I'm a beginner and have had trouble getting a fast kick so this helps alot. I've had my spring loose on the right pedal and have had the left one disconnected this whole time thinking it was easier to push the pedal 😆
This video ain't complete though. If you're a beginner you want to gradually increase spring tension. So that you don't overdo your practice intensity which can lead to plateaus and over fatigue. Although it's easier to get the strokes going, every first stroke is harder to push down. Find a good balance for yourself too. Every pedal is different. A max on a dw 5000 is still lighter than a maxed out tama iron cobra. If in doubt try to aim for medium tension, sort of halfway and fine tune from there. Thanks for your kind words :)
You are very good teaching schools and you know exactly you pinpointed how to go faster or slower by the spring and the adjustment that was cool smart guy that's great
I knew this but didn't at the same time. Haha. I knew it enough to kind of adjust after I buy a pedal but then I just get used to it. Didn't even cross my mind as to why I can't play Bleed. 🤣 I tighted my springs and now I'm actually able to work on it. Thank you much!
Cool, hope this helps, although it will take time to get used to the tighter springs and will take some training as well. Appreciate the comment Michael!
I don't recommend playing bare foot for long term especial if you play lots of double bass for 10 years. You can get plantar fasciitis if you do. I injured my right foot and heel after 10 years of drumming barefoot, and now do I have to do it with shoes to make sure I can do this for the longest time possible
Great explanation, and demonstration! Thank you!
You're very welcome!
I stopped using high spring tensions years ago and never looked back. Honestly, I've never had an issue with speed. If anything, it speeds me up for the exact opposite reason you mentioned. Loose spring tensions mean you use LESS effort to play the drum. I think what's going on hear is the design of the DW 5000 tends to drive the beater into the head. It's forward weighted so you are using the springs to balance out the action. I use the Jojo Mayer Perfect Balance which is neutrally weighted. If anything, you can make it back weighted depending on mallet positioning. I set the spring tensions as loos as it can get without disengaging and I balance just fine. I'm also looking for a bounce off the head versus sticking into the head. I use two bass drums as well. Never liked the solo bass drum with rod connections for double bass. My double pedals always loosened up and got creaky and weak while my single pedals on dual bass drums have never needed to be replaced.
Great that you found what works for you and your gear 👍
I use the offset pedals so both my pedals have a drive shaft on them so more equal tension and all that but my springs are both at max tension and my angle is pretty far back but works for me i downloaded the double pedal set up lesson and it helped me tons
Very insightful information, thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
Good info. Especially showing different examples
glad you like it, thanks!
Thank you for tip
Sorry this tip is actually outdated and paints only a very small picture. Should be different for different people and all kinds of pedals just based on leg weight and how much force that translates into when we make a stroke. I've been testing this out with all my adult students, my biggest one and my smallest one and the difference is huge
The tight spring also holds the footboard on your foot better. Everything your foot does now gets played on the bass drum. With loose spring tension your foot can lift off the pedal and some of the strikes won't get played
Good point, definitely affects pedal responsiveness that way. But it is possible to maneuver the pedal based on controlling the rebound on (Jojo Mayer) He performs it without a spring, super challenging and tough of course, so tight spring will make it easier :D
This is insanely helpful, thank you!
Hey cheers man! Glad it helps!
Thank you for this!
Hey my pleasure:)
I used DW 5000s decades ago! Good pedals. After those, Tama Iron Cobras, even better... Then eventually Axis, better still! 🤘🏻
Cool rock on!
Thanks for the advice
You're welcome, hope it helps!
I like high spring tension too bruv. That makes us bruvs for life 🤘
Hahaha high five!
Thanks I was just wondering about this. When I bought this dbl pedal from this big guy. Was wondering why I had to push so hard😂
then you definitely need to loosen it for yourself first. And gradually work it up to your intended level or just keep it as it is if you're able to play all that you want to :D
great guide
Glad you think so!
Useful
I like a cranked up spring. I've played on others kits that r loose. It sucks ur right it makes u have to generate the power and speed.
❤️thanks
You're welcome!
thanks bro
Thank you too bro!
I think everything is easier with lower tension cause you get a more natural response and bounce. Where as tight spring tension requires far more effort to make notes
depends, like I demonstrated in the video, lower tension also causes the beater to have less momentum for repeated strokes, so if you want to play really fast consistently, you're actually having to activate your muscles more. But it's pros and cons always. You decide your own balance based on your playing styles and goals.
I tend to agree. I started with high tension for years then I started using lower tension since I realized I'm not fighting against the tension and every note I get is a note I intentionally put into motion. Also I used to not port my bass drum cause I liked the deep tone but eventually I tried going ported for awhile (5" on a 22" bass drum). At first right after adding the port I hated it but then I retuned the drum taking into account the new port and then found that I can get an incredibly similar tone to no port. And now I dont get "fluttering" (accendental notes) because the port makes the head less reactive. So again, now every note I get is a note I intentionally put into motion and wanted. If I need fast doubles I use a combination of heel toe (which comes incredibly natural to me) and slide (which took me a few years to finally get a grip on for some reason lol but its incredibly useful since each technique works slightly better for some things than the other but each technique can do any type of double if you take time to develope them). Plus I like very powerful beater strokes with the option to be able to get softer hits just as easily so this setup is conducive to that. A high tension spring and no port is better in my opinion for getting a less powerful softer stroke. But who knows, in another few years I might feel the opposite lol. I doubt I'll change but if I'm resistant to change I wont be able to progress by finding the absolute most ideal settings so I can play my best.
Well said, it's all about finding that balance to suit your playing and physique, and you have the open mindedness to recognize that the future might also invite change. Thanks for sharing your path for others to read 🍻
Agreed. I set my spring tension as loose as it can get and I can honestly say my problem is that I sometimes play TOO fast.
Tq 💖🥁✨
You're welcome 😊
i like it so its just loose enough that the beater rests on the head when my foot rests on the pedal but not any looser. gives me good response but i can still play hard punchy bass drum for (hard)rock and funk
That's a good setting for a lot of situations, used to be what I like too, but that's harder to play really fast double bass so I'm at max tension haha. But who knows, I might gain enough facility on my left to dial back down again in the future, thanks for sharing your settings for others!
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ understandable.. i have an iron cobra single pedal and a half as expensive no name brand double pedal.. so i basically only play single pedal. most songs that my band and i play dont require double pedal or at least it doesnt make a significant difference for the audience so i rather use my nice single pedal 😅
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Ah so you have switched to the Trick 5.0 drive shaft. I had to make the switch on my dw9000 because my dw drive shaft was making a "clicking" noise in the studio. But that trick 5.0 really made a difference on my slave pedal.
Totally makes a big difference for the left leg :) cheers!
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Thanks. Let’s see how the Mapex can handle it
Let me know!
Thanks! I need a recommendation on a fast pedal. I'm kinda considering a 9000
I'm biased towards the DW5000 but I also have a demon drive. Go to a store or something and try some out for yourself. There are many many great pedals that all play really well but all feel different. I think it's just trying one, sticking to it and making it your best friend in the long term. Hope that helps!
Even I use higher tension. Well atleast medium tension because I also play some good old groove metal. Thanks for the video . Could you make a video on the " Heel Toe Technique" in the context of double bass drumming.
I can't make a heel toe, I'm not good at it, I just use ankle and thighs. Cheers man!
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ ooh brooo ! Cool . No bro. Well do make a video on broken double bass grooves. Cause there some lot of those out there 👍. Cheers man . Loved those Leprous Breakdown videos .
I could make a video on the heel toe. Do you want a video that explains how to master the technique of the heel toe? Because I would love to do one for you.
Ok you're looking for a video regarding the heel toe in the context of double bass drumming. Nevermind then, but I was always thinking it's the same for single bass as it is for double bass pedals. I believe you just have to be a master of the heel toe on a single bass with your right and left foot before moving on to the double pedals.
@@davidhall4401 Hey man thanks for replying to this comment box.
Yeah sure man if you could make video on it would be great. I kind of have learned a little bit of "heel toe" double bass playing but it's still not the best . I am not aware of how much tention I need to apply to make my notes sound clearer?
I want my springs so tight that it plays it self.
😂😂 I'd like that too
I go to ace hardware, get snorter springs of equal or similar gauge as
the stock springs, and I find cranking even those small springs really
tights gives me a good response. Main issue though is the springs break
easily which during a gig could be a big issue. The springs are
thankfully only like 2 bucks a pop and I have over a dozen replacements.
I have to use needle nose pliers to allow the new springs to fit on
the hook and and into the small hole for the tightener. Even at rest
the spring has enough tension where you can see through the spring
because of coil separation even at rest. Anyone else do anything
similar? Anyone know how to not have your springs break easily!?!
Max spring tension on a 5000 is crazy
Not as crazy as max tension on an iron cobra. Those guys are HEAVY!
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I love my Iron cobras
It's weird I tend to work better with loose tension on some pedals but the second I tighten them I'm. Usless😂
That's what you're used to and thus more comfortable with :) it can work too for what you want to play
Hi dude,
Just wanted to see if you can help me get one of the 'Trick ' shafts for my DW 5000 I just purchased ?
I can't find them in Australia and I'm not sure how to get it or where from ?
Can you please help me find one like yours ?
Thank you so much.
🥁 🪘
Have you tried sweetwater.com ? I got mine from their online shop
I prefer to have one pedal loose and the other tighter since I played football as a kid 😅
Sure whatever works best for you, I played tons of football young too!
Thanks so much. I keep asking this question to every drummer 😅. Also do you carry out any regular maintenance of the pedal like lubs or anything like that?
Yeah I oil the moving parts of the pedals every 6 months. But I should probably keep them clean more often. Also I think it's important to know that max tension on different pedals will feel and perform differently. I've basically shown two differences, and what I do on my own pedals but it's important to experiment for yourself and tweak to supplement your practice. Hope this helps!
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ thanks again for the detailed reply. Wish you the best!
Buy a Trick Dominator.
Direct drive pedals are the way of the future .
oh yeah I own a direct drive too! But just personally I'm more used to my dw because I play on it way more haha. But direct drives certainly are used by many who can play faster than me.
If you wanna play fast don't miss leg day lol
Oh yeah leg days are dope!
That's why I'm feeling like shit trying to play to Slipknot
Go for it!
The maxed out spring tension on those DW springs don't tighten up enough. I never use those springs. Try Axis pedal springs instead. You can play even faster on chain drives. But if you're doing fast double bass all the time you want direct drives. I know I love the double chain drive for groove but direct drive for demon speed.
I have to agree. Even at maxed I feel it's a bit lacking. But I don't need to play demon speed though. 😁 I don't play speed metal
When a tension it too tight I can't even hit the bass
Gradually train up if fast double bass without too much extra effort is what you want. I didn't go all the way to max. I cranked a couple turns every 2 weeks until it was maxed. And it got uncomfortable too definitely but then my speeds started increasing more steadily.
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'll try it. Thanks!
I'm stuck on 160bpm 16th notes at double bass playing. I have iron cobra 600 which are very heavy pedals. I don't know if I have to just start from low spring tension and tighten it every now and then? Also all my leg muscles tense up very easily when trying to start fast double bass.. Been stuck like this for year or two.
Check out my video on 3 key exercises for double bass. ruclips.net/video/seZmjYkvIBw/видео.html I also explain what each exercise is for and give some tips in the video. The summary is my technique uses a blend of thighs and calves. More thighs at lower tempos 140bpm, mix of thigh and calve at mid 160bpm, more calves at high tempos beyond 200bpm. And the 3 exercises are supposed to train both your muscle groups well. Also be very patient with those exercises. Those videos saying you can do it in 30daus or even 90 days is very inaccurate because there are too many other factors involved. Also spring tension, don't go loose. It forces you to rely on thighs too much try mid first and focus on building muscle speed and stamina. And adjust from there
How are you able to go that fast with those heavy beaters?
Been using this pedal and other similar beaters all my life honestly. Its mostly about the spring tension, the building up of muscles and technique over all those years drumming. A lighter beater would make my job easier though 😁
Which cam do you use? (Turbo or Accelerator?)
i actually don't know lol. I never remembered whether this was the turbo or accelerator version.
What should I do on my spring loose or tight I need to increase my muscles???
Yes muscles is always helpful for drumming speed and stamina. Try a medium tension at least and go gradually from there. It will take a few months to build consistently!
Awesome .but I’m more tripping on this old dude playing Double Bass !
Who Do you play for Vader ?
Darth Vader? HEHEHE
Is that the Orange County Percussion throne? Hard to tell but looks like it is. I have one and can never decide how I feel about it let alone where to sit..
I’m working my way to buying a second pedal
What’s the best way to set up your throne?
Oh no it's a pork pie percussion throne. Its just a similar colour to the Orange County one. Your question would make for a good video and I'll explain everything about seating, to summarize I like to sit a bit higher and closer to the drums for the best ergonomics.
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ Yeah. I wish to see that video too.
Hey im just wondering, do you use maxed out spring tension on all 3 springs?
Actually I don't use max anymore, unless it's on my cheapest sonor pedals. For my dw it's about 3/4. On my pearl demon drives they're 1/2. Also the left pedal also has lesser tension(5-8 finger turns). Making a more comprehensive video about pedal settings currently after way more testing and proving my settings right and wrong. Every pedal can be very different and every person's weight matters. What pedals do u have?
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'm very new to drumming so I use this very cheap millenim double pedal for like a €100
What to do when you go to the max but feel like it needs more 🤔
Get a new spring
Change to sturdier springs, or just change the pedal if you're unable to
Maxed spring tension gang
Can you baby used to play double bass drum and he only had one pedal on each one he played a solo song by cream Clapton Bruce Ginger Baker play the drum he played a solo for half an hour on the
Thankyou! I have a problem that the spring tension screw is almost at the floor and I still feel like I have a loose pedal. Might be because I've had it for so long, but tips anyone?
What pedal do you use? Some lighter pedals have very light and flimsier springs too. So you might need an upgrade if you want sturdier tighter springs
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I'm using the original pdp pedal I got with the kit, ages ago. I have thought about an upgrade, but it's really expensive here in Norway. and since I'm a student, and money is scarce.
Ah ok pdp pedal will have a very light spring. But still just crank it all the way and practice with it. It will be a bit harder when you're going really fast but it will be good training either way. I have a video where I demonstrate a cheap light pedal because someone said I can only play with my expensive pedal, here it is ruclips.net/video/NByLkoFN72M/видео.html
The spring of the sonor pedal is also very light and I had to use more effort to play the doubles and singles in the video demonstration but once you upgrade in the future, all your training will pay off :) and you have the added bonus of being able to play on cheaper or pedals with non optimal setups
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ thankyou for a thorough answer!
Osea, mayor tencion más velocidad?
Más tensión, respuesta más rápida del pedal, pero más trabajo de tu parte para el golpe inicial. Sin embargo, también puedes jugar con una tensión más baja, pero entrena tus músculos para que trabajen súper rápido como Chris Turner. Aunque eso requiere mucho más esfuerzo para dominar en mi opinión y puedes ver que Chris Turner es el único que juega tan rápido con su tipo de técnica de solo muslo.
My pedal doesn’t move like that at all lol but I have cheap pedals
hope u get to upgrade further down the road, but cheap pedals are still great for practicing!
love this 😊
Glad you like it!
I got cut off Ginger Baker with the double bass drum in 1969 played at the Fillmore East the song toad with cream it was amazing it was no double title and all that fast garbage fabulous he died last year 8 years old icon as well as Charlie Watts from the rolling Stones 80 years old God bless his soul both icons
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CRANKED!
I gradually cranked it up over 6 months, all the way up can be too difficult for your muscles to adapt but we'll see how it goes :)
Thanks dude! My problem is always the left pedal, it never gets the same rebound and I always feel unbalanced. I guess it will be solved with two single pedals or a more expensive pedal right? Cheers!
Oh yes, the quality of the shaft matters, so on cheaper pedals it might have more impact. But my DW5000s the left pedal doesn't feel exactly the same either, i think it's not achievable because of the need for a shaft. But it is possible to make it super close that you don't feel the difference and practice can overcome it. Took me awhile to get the 2 beaters bouncing with the same timing though haha.
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ Alright! That was some motivation right there. I'll focus on it to tune it better and then to practice the hell out of it! Thanks bro!
@@Musical_Sweetness wishing you the best practice+Patience combo :) and getting the pedals nicely set to work for you. 💪👍
I need new pedals lol
😂 Smooth pedals do help
I can highly recommend tama dyna sync pedals. Been amazing for me 😁
@@real_launnie_mvp3793 nah bro saving up for eliminators or axis long boards
@@BBeanZZ oooooh, go the axis for sure 😁🤘
Holy shit no wonder why my foot can't get used to the pedal properly, the tensions all fucked up, which probably also means the distance between the beater and the drumhead is wrong too.
It could be one of the many factors, try experimenting with tension and play around with it for a few weeks. Took me awhile of adjusting and experimenting with different pedals and my current pedal too. I understand there are differences between all pedals, like max tension on my dw5000s would not be the same exact responsiveness on let's say a DW9000 or a TAMA iron cobra for example. So they key is to get the responsiveness to where it swings fast enough naturally for your liking and also helps support the weight of your leg. Cheers man thanks for sharing!
Lightweight pedals work for speed
Definitely helps
Not to mention DW pedals are the absolute best there is. If you're a metal drummer and upgrading your set, get DW pedals. I messed up and bought 600 dollar longboard pedals and I'll never make that mistake again. There is no pedal better than the DW 9k
SOme people swear by longboards though. It's really a personal thing just like all drumming gear is. But I agree with you on DW though, we're biased heheheh :D
Wrong trick pro 1v big foot longboard low mass are the absolute best pedal on the market
Good for you, you have drums i dont have one
Thank you, I do have drums. If you want a set, I hope you're able to get one in the future. Have the best week!
Your beaters are backwards
Yes I'm using the plastic side instead of the felt side for more beater attack because of the styles I play more frequently and I also prefer this sound. Some beaters are made like this with a dual sided purpose. Some are not though (those full felt ones, full wood ones, or full plastic ones)
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ I may try that I never thought of that but I started noticing that many guys do the same thing I'm going to try it myself thank you
This Is just bad technique and lack of understanding of how a pedal and most importantly what a pedal really is, a pendulum works. Spend the money and get Secret Weapons for the modern drummer. In short is the shape of the cam and your technique.
Fuck that, you're over working your shit....give it up!!!!!!!
Stupid beginners 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey what's up Patrick, are you okay?
Playing bass beats that fast IS USELESS!!! There isn't a song that uses it, and if it does it's nothing you hear or see that's making it in a band.
Ringo never needed it!!!
my boy… you need to listen to more music haha there’s so many genres that use double kicks
@@grammarpolice7339 Well.....as your name would say it, reading Grammer isn't your specialty I see. I never said ANYTHING about double kicks, but I did say something about the SPEED HE IS "USING".
I use a double kick DW5000 but never do I need or have seen that type of speed in a song or one that uses it.
Pay attention......
@@billbobagginsbonham9239 my bad but still my point stands and i’m not trynna be rude or anything i’m just saying especially in music like deathcore the speed is commonly used by bands like lorna shore, slaughter to prevail, thy art is murder, and literally everyone in that genre
Agreed, alex rudinger, chris turner, virgil Donati. Lots of speed metal is way faster than even I can play. So there is a use. You may might find it useless, but many people dig this kind of speed and music. Putting down people ain't cool Bilbo
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ
I'll say this !!
RINGO!!!
I don't know any of those other dudes, but the name and the SIMPLICITY of his drumming made him "(MILLIONS)"
When i push my pedal to drum head and let it fall back it dosent bounce back at all, gow much could that effect my speed when playing?
Meaning it's really stiff? What pedal and how old is it, if you could describe to me more, I can help better
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ it's a famcgou alloy double bass pedal and it's about 5 years old
This pedal has a very light spring so you need to max out the spring tension.@@Haydenowjdbjaiwjdbhdjjbdjwiwjf
I use the offset pedals so both my pedals have a drive shaft on them so more equal tension and all that but my springs are both at max tension and my angle is pretty far back but works for me i downloaded the double pedal set up lesson and it helped me tons
That's cool, glad you found your ideal settings and sharing it here!
@@ArtOfDrummingHQ yeah I'm just slowly building up my bpm I'm at 180 at the moment