Why the World Is Still Fascinated with Astrology
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2016
- In the third episode of The Chosen Ones, host Gavin Haynes dives into the world of horoscope-obsessed astrologists based in his London hometown.
No matter how developed a society becomes, no matter how much they give rights to gays or develop nuclear fusion technologies, the idea of a future written in stars has been surprisingly potent to all sorts of people who are otherwise brain surgeons or lawyers or run F500 companies.
Gavin will put himself in the hands of lunar fixers, Indian Vedic astrologers, birth chart readers and whoever it is who writes the horoscopes in the Metro, to find out his personal destiny as a Scorpio and whether or not there is something we can all learn from astrology.
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Yet Vice posts horoscope on their snapchat every single day
Gotta keep the ppl clickin’ yknow
@@notagiant1 and the money flowin'
LOL YAH
And they pay someone for doing it
Why wouldn't they, even if you know something is stupid, why wouldn't you get in on it for the easy buck when people are buying it.
People still believe in religion so astrology is not that silly in comparison.
Very fair point.
i am god
It's all the same bullshit. Everyone can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
+Elusified Majority of scientists believe in God? Where did you get that statistics from?
Elusified Stop making shit up please.
11 minutes of shade
How
he likely means 11 mins shade on astrology. Meaning calling bullshit on bullshit.
Wow ... Let me simplify. "11 minutes of rudeness "
It's not bullshit. Astrology is not real according to scientists... Check it out. Ever heard of Carl Sagan? m.ruclips.net/video/y84HX2pMo5U/видео.html
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One day Vice should do a report on themselves...
Yes, in the same fashion
Their founder is certified fascist
omg that would be a great idea!
I really like this presenter.
He mocks their stupidity in such a delightful way.
Yet concludes the video saying we should consider it.
louididdy
He knows vice viewers are a clever bunch, and that we'd come to a sensible conclusion.
*****
So is a piece of paper with writing on it.
+louididdy Well to me, unlike religion, astrology is like a cool and fascinating hobby.
... and he doesn't answer the question in the video's title. a waste of time, tbh
It bothered me that the guy towards the end said that "as a scientist you can't predict the future" yet scientists predict the future all the time with precision results all of the time (albeit as well as errors) - made me still feel like it was a double standard comment
tru tru
@@emilioa008 they expect science to be this all knowing thing. Who is more trustworthy, a man arrogant asshole who claims to know everything, or someone who knows what they don't.
Scientists make models of *predictive* _capability_ based on evidence. They never claim to be able to see the future.
@@desp8161 But here is the thing, science is supported by information. This is simple delusion. I think it's even more arrogant to perceive scientists that way because then you insinuate that you know everything about their train of thought. Scientists don't claim to know everything, that's why we are always in pursuit of that knowledge. So on that note can you stop being so close-minded just because someone challenged your said belief? Reverse Uno card.
I think he meant like in a supernatural way
I've come to believe that Astrology is a well studied applicable set of coincidences.
Best definition👍
Exactly so it’s science
Study of deep probability
That's is if you don't believe in spirituality.
Its as complicated as thr nature of god, free will, & individuality because there is a certain circular logic behind it & with that type of development comes cognitive dissonance
"It might not be reasonable, it might not be rational... but look around you, when was the universe ever reasonable or rational." Thank you for that.
It's not real, like the sun.
Maybe we just can't comprehend the incomprehensible, thus the existing unreasonableness
Probably the most intelligent thing said in the video lol
You're totally right, so may I have your #? : )
It is reasonable and rational, it's called the barnum effect. People are willing to accept generalised personality statements as personal to them, especially when they're vague, true for most of us, and feature traits we aspire to.
You mock astrology the whole video and then you conclude by saying that maybe we should consider it? What a cop out! Weak.
Weak cop out.
They are just trying to figure out if we should consider it or not
I mean yeah astrology is cleary bullshit
Check out the Gauquelin effect, 20'000 athletes have Mars on a main angle. You don't know what any of that means do you that's how ignorant you are. Criticise something you know nothing about.
Cause they tell you the truth then throw you off to make you second guest the truth
whats funny is that he acts like a true Scorpio
even funnier that he's a rising Sagittarius and he makes documentaries
I find it funny that his subject matter deals with studying some mysterious spiritual phenomena. Scorpios like to be a friend to the unknown. Also, his inner monologue suggests that he is always having some crazy sexual fantasy.
very true
Scorpios are crazy...so petty...so sadistic...fuck. I had a fight with one, it's been going for years, he never stops...
They won't stop lol, but I have found a few that are ok and aren't completely sadistic
Chris Harper keep an eye open...just in case 😄
I don't believe in astrology one bit though the story felt very one-sided as if the journalist knew exactly what was to be portrayed from the start
Watched it half way through and he has not explained what astrology is. Most people think it divides human race into 12 categories but lot more complicated than that. Generally people who do not believe in it have one thing in commen....they have never studied it.
This is the same argument Christians use to defend the bible
Yeah but the problem is that everyone relates to at least a few aspects from every sign. When you keep on adding more signs everyone will relate to even more aspects. It sounds great and all but it’s just not real. But if you know so much about it, can you guess my sign?
@@pukk6094 that's like asking a hematologist to guess my blood type. and if you did enough research into astrology you would know that you are more than just a sun sign, so if someone guessed that i was a Leo, they wouldn't necessarily be wrong because it's my moon sign, but my sun sign is different. astrology shouldn't be used for party tricks and if we treated it the same way we treat other popular sciences, then there wouldn't be this much ignorance surrounding it.
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I wish Vice would pick someone to explore these topics that was actually curious about it instead of judgmental from the start.
yes, I was looking for this comment
I'm too aloof to care about a scientists opnion as an Aquarian.
Then stop using the internet
@@desp8161 those are engineers, not scientists you d-bag...
So how can you even have an astrological conversation when this so-called professional does not even know the base truth to astrology and how there are actually 13 signs. Ophiuchus snake goddess . is the 13th constellation on the ecliptic path so if an astrologer does not know that 86% of people are not what they think they are due to incorrect astrology, how can this even be taken seriously?? its a joke to not even know the base to astrology yet self proclaim yourself as a professional.??? I guarantee not a single one of you can even talk to me about astrology. go ahead and wake up to the 13 because if you don't then sorry but society will never have any respect for you.
Ophiuchus Astrology that’s moon-sign astrology, it’s been extinct for thousands of years. We use sun-based astrology.
ferise1
Don’t predict Aquarius, I’m an Aquarius Scorpio moon I’ve always done Sun moon .’
Astronomy > Astrology
No kidding. :P
Here here
I always look at astrologist as if their missing something and someone elses answer completes them. These are not the type of people u want to be around.. Their fucking morons.. Go study quantum mechanics something more useful that u can use to understand ur surroundings .. Not this woo age bs . I cant believe these people buy their own shit... Buck to be made anywhere..
+Free 916 *they're
Understatement of the year.
But have you ever met a chill Aries?
BeckyFunkyFresh my bro an Aries and he’s chill lmao
I'm chill most of the time but when I'm not, everyone dies! lol
My husband and son are both Aries, and they are def NOT chil😩
Yes
Yes
I used to be a professional astrologer. I used to do spooky accurate readings that even freaked me out. It actually started driving me crazy knowing that I was tangibly tapped into a modality that could illustrate the influences of causality. I eventually got out of it, because I determined that there was another force at work behind the wheelwork of astrology. There's this thing called Equinox Precession. The Earth has a microscopic backwards rotation (at a rate of ~1/72 degreee per year). Tropical astrology hasn't compensated for Equinox Precession in over 2000 years. This means that the stars you see in the sky are out of sync with a natal chart by an astonishing 23.5 degrees retrograde! And yet, despite this astrology still works as a divinational tool.
The reason astrology works is because we believe it works. Through a combination of ritual magic, and the power of the human consciousness, we've given life to astrology. The fields of psionics and sympathetic vibrational physics indicate that you can change reality if you get enough people giving their psychic energy to a concept over a long period of time.
You're absolutely correct. It's interesting to see my comment from 5 years ago. I had to take a break from astrology, as it had become an unhealthy obsession for me. I've since gotten back into it, and I have a better understanding of the mechanics now. Western Tropical astrology is tied to the seasons (with the Equinox point always being at 0º Aries). Vedic astrology is a Sidereal system which uses the actual position of celestial objects. I see them as complementary systems that work like lenses for interpreting the influences on humanity's collective psyche. I no longer think of astrology as an egregore, but instead as a demonstration of the Hermetic Law of Correspondence (As above, so below) in action. Someone recently pointed out that retrograde planetary motion is technically an optical illusion. While that is true, The Law of Correspondence doesn't care!
I've also been looking into the concept that our world is a simulation. It's quite possible that astrology is one of the coding mechanisms for orchestrating our reality.
Lay off the drugs
You just forgot that we take in consideration the procession. Thats why there is sideral and tropical astrology. Study famous people life and correlate... 🦋
Do your own research, people. Don't just base your opinion on a documentary where the producer thinks it's all just bs from the get go
Palomita agree💯
Done the research, there is absolutely zero evidence that stars LIGHT YEARS away affect your brain chemistry or personality.
Did my research astrology is fake
ahhaha next time I visit London I gotta go check that shop out, what a character! :-D
I feel he would tire me out pretty quickly but it would be fun meeting him lol
I've studied Astrology(Western) for a few years and it is very interesting, mostly because of how accurate it often is, I think that's the main reason people are so fascinated by it. I've always been skeptical about things relating to religion and spirituality, but in contrast blindly disregarding something because its not "scientifically relevant" is foolish. I've always tried to disprove things as much as I could and prove them as much as I could, spirituality and religion hold some of the best understandings ive come across. Astrology has taught me a lot about the inclinations of people, certain energies/moods people go through and what the benefits/drawbacks of them are. It has shown me a lot valuable information about the nature of math and seasons.
It's supposed to seem accurate. Any horoscope for any sign can apply to you in one way or another.
@@pancakedisco2960 On some level I can agree, if someone goes into an area with the belief that it works, it can and will influence how they feel or view something. It's plenty of ignorant, immature and foolish people into it as a trend, and just latch onto various concepts, and beliefs. However, that's not everyone and it certaintly wasn't how I felt. I thought it was cute, but not real or accurate. I felt and thought that it was just generalized assumptions. Deny something that you haven't truly give your time, energy or effort to as inaccurate, well that's true ignorance. Learn about it first, not from silly teen girls, or some magazine, before speaking on it.
5:34 "but as he sung age of aquarius very aggressively at me," god could you imagine lol
You're such a scorpio.
Scorpios believe in astrology but he doesn't
@@ykd0011 I'm a scorpio and I think it's bs
I know right. Must be why I don't like him..
So how can you even have an astrological conversation when this so-called professional does not even know the base truth to astrology and how there are actually 13 signs. Ophiuchus snake goddess . is the 13th constellation on the ecliptic path so if an astrologer does not know that 86% of people are not what they think they are due to incorrect astrology, how can this even be taken seriously?? its a joke to not even know the base to astrology yet self proclaim yourself as a professional.??? I guarantee not a single one of you can even talk to me about astrology. go ahead and wake up to the 13 because if you don't then sorry but society will never have any respect for you.
@Logan Cranston Tropical Astrology is actually quite accurate with my personality a lot... But with my Sidereal Chart... Not So Much...
This has to be the funniest, witty to the power of 3 video I’ve seen you do to date, thanks
The five stages, denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live
1: Denial
2: Anger (right now)
3: bargaining & bragging
4: Acceptance
i only clicked on this video because i thought it was about astronomy
LOL same!
They did interview an astrophysicist
Au Atwell Same here too LMFAO
Horoscopes are usually wrong but Astrology is real. I've read my entire birth chart and it all fits me perfectly. It told everything about me. Very specific.
Tristan Howard 😅😝🐂💩
Tristan Howard yes agree 💯
I'm really glad i clicked on this video so i could read some funny shit like this. Hahahahaha
@Zapper Zapped have you tried psychology?
Exactly. Horoscopes are just cheap ways to make money. If people would actually see that and stop associating it then we wouldn’t have to deal with videos like this
Please no ! I want more video about Zoe Quinn, how she feels, and her new upcoming game ! Please !
B8.
+Isabella Price is triggered
Why are you bullying me like that ? I'm just expressing my love for an original content creator. You're a bully ! Stop it ! éè
VICE content creator meeting: "We're gonna force it down their throats, even if they hate it massively." Brilliant!
+K3nsiko "And then we'll disable the comments section entirely but leave likes and dislikes enabled, because that's fucking logical."
I am fascinated with the stars, without them we would not exist.
Then get into astronomy
@DEZ MODZ smh you sound dumb
Unfortunately for you however, stars are nothing but massive balls of plasma in the middle of space that usually have rocks or ice floating around them, they have nothing to do with the way some intelligent apes behave depending on what time of year they were born
@@KolchaksGhost Man shut the hell up, it's always some idiot like you that come in thinking they know everything there is to know about the universe, you sound like a true dickhead..if you truly feel like the universe at large doesn't have a play within your life then stop celebrating birthdays and paying attention to the seasons and time as a whole with your dumbass..stfu
@@dante35517 to all you logical dumbasses that mention astronomy, where do you think astronomy originated from?....yep...astrology...fucking dumbass smh
talking to the Helen ( later woman) he decided to say he kept it vague...then 'pondered' on his predatory nature, however she still saw something in him he'd probably been keeping secret within himself. He is a tricky one despite what he says. He claims to be open minded but remained to have an agenda throughout this video. Please don't pretend to be enlightening people when in reality you are just trying to prove a point through making a fun of people in a way which suits a point you are already trying to make. This is one side of the story that one person on one side has been desperate to make
There's a difference in being open minded and being smart enough not to believe obvious bullshit
You're just offended because you believe in astrology lol
In Brazil, Vice encourages and treats astrology as a real thing, despite all the criticism.
this guy is gold. this segment and the other segment he did
The host made this such a delight to watch! Lovely video.
Something that I think about in regards to astrology- Ancient man must have spent a lot of time looking up to the Stars searching for meaning. Possibly influenced by psychedelics, man projects images into the Stars which reflect aspects of the psyche. These images are imbued with characteristics ascribed by man. Over time a relationship is cultivated between man's internal and external worlds. The world of images which man has projected onto his environment shape him. Over many thousands of years the meanings of the Stars are living legends, archetypes within the collective psyche which rise to the surface of given individuals based upon synchronicity in birth.
"People have been doing this for thousands of years" is usually a reason not to do it, because people didn't know how anything worked thousands of years ago.
And you think we are so advanced today, right? Except we are still in our infancy with how things work. Question everything you've been taught.
your an idiot
That is the most stupid thing to say.... There's been proven facts of things known waaaay before modern society 'rediscovered' it
I spent my first 8 years of life mixing up astronomy and astrology
I use to say i loved astrology and that astronomy was bull
Mfw people called me a hippie
Nothing wrong with that, other than they are ignorant. About the same as calling a smart person a Nerd.
Now this is the kind of stuff I love watching :D
I had my chart done and it said I was super smart. It also said I was very good looking too. I now believe astrology is for real.
in a cruel world like ours, people need ways to give them hope, and a sense of safety.
No they don’t they’re just not dumb like you. They see astrology in people
@@soulwaves20000 what do you mean by that. Where is the astrology you believe in. Give me some of that. The astrology I used to try to “learn” were just stupid emotions on stupid websites. We choose how we act not these signs
@@yesyes3392 study full chart sun, moon, venus…
@@soulwaves20000 Again, we choose how we act. I used to be obsessed with astrology and would judge people with it. That's all it is, another way to judge people, like Racism. We are all human beings who choose how we act and choose what we want to do from the limited selection of things to do. It's all bullshit, Venus is love, Ascendant is how you come of to others etc. It's not real. How could it be real when Personality itself isn't real because we choose how we act (once again) and are free to act and say what we want. I would love to hear how you see Astrology.
@@yesyes3392 that’s ridiculous what’s your moon sign?
this is what happens when you look at it from one perspective.
The astrology mentioned here is the more westernized adaption of vedic astrology and its different branches.
The Nadi astrology in particular is a little spooky because of it is accuracy. The people who practice astrology say that the prediction is not a 100%, the predictions only if you take action. It gives you an idea of how it's going to be in the future and help a person in taking in the relevant action
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_astrology
8:26 “i wasn’t even sure what my problems entirely were anymore and I felt maybe combining astrology and life coaching is about as good of an idea as combining assault riffle hunting and dmt” I’m fuqin ded
This dude is my spirit animal. What a sense of humor.
anyone who believes they are "gifted" or "special" compared to everyone else, probably aren't genuine humble people, especially if they sell it. like these wackos you interviewed
Learning about astrology taught me that I was actually very gifted within the third eye quadrant to bring about true humbleness and with that I learned of my own unique spirit being and learning that I am indeed better than others because I am more in tune with the cosmic landscape. I have practiced the last ten years of my life to travel up the ladder of truth. I am still working on encountering the fifth dimension of knowledge, but I will be there soon. I hope someday you and others manage to see and enter the light of understanding.
33AfterM
i'm not saying it isn't real, but anyone can learn to do it to, nothing special about it
Lol god damn you people need to realize you are following astrology strictly based on faith alone. There aren't any facts. You might as well believe that god created the Earth in seven days(yep, our special snowflake Earth where there are literally none others in the ENTIRE universe /s) You aren't a special snowflake. I have a strong suspicion you are trolling but still feel the need to spread my opinion. Notice I said opinion. And you know, that's really the biggest problem with faith. It's all a matter of opinion, yet people with faith think of their religion as fact. I see a problem here. Everyone who follows religion, be it Islam, Christianity.. Judaism... they all believe that their faith is a fact. Can so many people really be so full of themselves and think they're correct and not see the hypocrisy in saying other religions or beliefs are not right, when clearly it is so *opinion* based? Everyone is biased, period, whether you think so or not. Which is why I'm perfectly content in believing what I can see with my own two eyes, bar none.
i dont think knowing that you're gifted has anything to do with being humble. Self awareness is very important and necessary if you want to higher your potential and use your talent to better your environment or the world. You can be a genius and be humble at the same time. Not being humble in this case would be bragging about it to everyone you know.
Carmen Kim
self awareness yes, self indulgence no. this was the point i was trying to make. I'm talking about the people who believe they are better in some form or another that others can not achieve.
Astrology makes me aware and acknowledge my Good and bad attitudes. That is why, being libra ascendant means fair always is Not good after all.. That Is why, I Change from being nice to being the right man.. Being nice afterall is not aplicable in this world, especially outside if you encounter people not deserve to treat Nicely.. I learn to love myself and do not think others very much.. Im a Leo and libra ascendant.
I can't say with complete confidence that either side is right. But something I do feel like saying is that one single person doesn't know and feel everything. That's why we have to work together and try our best to be non judgemental. Maybe then we would discover more concrete meaning in life...
gay
Why VICE used to be a good channel.
Still is, every news station be it a private network or company owned has filler stories. Sorry not every single one interests you.
Cody T Chill.
Not that but the fact they cover things for ratings and not truth like news should..
They used to be good people .. but the originals are no longer or sold out for trash media
if you could put the universe into a tube you'd end up with a very long tube probably extending twice the size of the universe because when you collapse the universe it expands and... you wouldn't want to put it into a tube
picture a hot dog bun and throw all the stars, the hundreds of stars that there are in the universe into a bag and put the inverse into a bag and all of a sudden they become. when i was a child there was thought to be 9 planets but there are now ninety planets you know the ultimate fate of the universe is so dark and mysterious that it generates butterflies in my stomach and that goes to tickles in my spine and that creates goose pimples and then that penetrates my mind and then the whole big bang explos BWOOO BWOO BWOO BWOOO BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
stars can be fun a lot of people say you get so wrapped up in the physics of it don't you have any fun? i say well, i go up and i look at the stars through my telescope and i see the little dipster, or i see the big dipster every star has its, has a sister star, a little bit like two eyeballs you can imagine, if, if, you could see the other side of my eyeball you'd see a 360 degree eyeball
I want some of what you're smoking.
Awesome theory! Great job
LOL Great Job!
BWOOO BWOO BWOO BWOOO BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Flamingo Bill Dipster? Billyboy, you have circus music playing in your dust filled head pretty much 24/7 dontcha?
Astrology to most part is science. It has to do with the simple fact that the planets gravitatory forces influences us in somehow just as moon causes high tide. Our body is 80% water and these planets positions influence the water in our body which somehow influences our behaviour.
I really like this host. Hope to see him again.
Why not actually interview some of the worlds most reputable astrologers who never get any media attention at all instead of these cornflakes? Maybe it's because they tend to make everyone really uncomfortable by how they don't fit any of these stereotypes.
Timothy Halloran He should have interviewed you!
To: Timothy Halloran. "Reputable astrologers" do not exist, unless you are talking about historians who have tracked the history of astrology over human history. Every single person who claims to be a "true astrologer" ALWAYS uses vague meanings, common emotions, and broad sweeping statements which can be applied to almost every living human.The day an astrologer tells me which name my daughter uses to name her children, in which hospital they will be born at, and the doctors name (years in advance)... then,.. then, I will look to astrology with some intrigue. There have been no peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted which have concluded that star positions predict/influence/determine human interactions. None. I highly urge anyone interested to do their own research into these studies, or better yet, conduct their own studies and submit them the scientific community.If one study was conducted which concluded that it was possible, it would be a HUGE finding in science and most likely win a Nobel Prize (and the money that comes with it).
Ack, the formatting did not work. It's just a block of run-on sentences now.
pointman1921 I think any reputable astrologer wouldn't give a fuck what you have to say. You are ignorant. Don't waste anyone's time. Thank you. Have a wonderful life.
(Ignorant: lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.) I find your reply to be ignorant :) and you are welcome!
"For all our LinkedIn endorsements, we're still apes swirling on a rock"
Best quote I heard all day, even though I know there are dozens of variations with roughly the same meaning.
More videos like this, please!
The universe appears to be (based on the sum of human scientific knowledge) absolutely rational/consistent.
I think it’s fun to think that maybe the way that the planets were aligned at the exact moment of our birth may affect who we are as people. I rarely read daily horoscopes cause I think they’re mostly vague and anyone could relate to them. I think astrology is fun, interesting even
Fun and interesting maybe, true? Definitely not.
I’d have more fun staring at a brick wall than convincing myself that I am who I am because of the stars in the sky on the day I was born.
That’s not how astrology works. Read cosmic program writings on medium. They present mind blowing cases and explain how astrology works.
Amazing shot guys!
Even Darwin said it might not be evolution but aliens. When you consider gravitational waves emitted from our star and how these waves will differ at certain times of the revolution of that star then astrology is possible. When you consider the gravitational effect of a fetus in a mothers womb and our brain is developed under that gravity, certain brains born in that month may possess certain similarities
I never did buy into astrology; not in the slightest. I did however one day, while waiting in a never ending line at the grocery checkout, read my 'astrological personality type' and I've got to admit that I was very very surprised. While I'm still not a believer in astrology, I do know that I am 100% spot-on, most definitely a ♉ Taurus- personality and all. Lol...
you know why? because its all super generic. did you get to read the other signs? no, you just read yours, because you already knew what sign you are, you when straight to it, and saw some connections. read any other sign and im sure its going to be as fitting as any other. its called the barnum effect i believe.
And you probably won't ever 'believe' in astrology, as a Taurus. :3
Even Taurus can change! xD
They just prefer not to most often.
+Jak Vokun-Sos yep they've done experiments where they give every person the same reading no matter the sign. For example take the Cancer profile and pass it around to a room full of Picies and Taurus. Without exception a majority agree the reading fits them. The experiment while not scientific has been repeated countless times in one fashion or another and always seems to have the same results.
***** i've done that to some of my friends before. but as i expected nothing changed, people just believe what they want regardless of the truth
***** You do know that would only be factoring the people's 'Sun Sign,' which while this is the 'largest affecting' body in our celestial neighborhood, it is of course not the only one. The moon, though less powerful, is MUCH CLOSER. :) Jussayin, they should at least try to be true to what they are testing if they want the REAL answer ya know?
"I'm tabula rasa right here"
"Combining rifle hunting and dmt"
Not bad quotes.
I dig this guy’s style and delivery
I am still scarred from the last cancerous video that Vice uploaded
"How to deal with a Leo going bezerk" I died.
Everything is connected. The cells in our bodies and the planets around us. As above, so below. As within, so without.
Astrology is neither true or false, each individual will get the reflection from the world by what he believes to be true (or false). I have found astrology to be a great tool for learning about myself and life. Just because something doesn't resonate with you, don't make it an absolute truth. Love ya'll
If you draw your full chart, you will KNOW. I guessed Ben Shapiro's 4 dominant signs, Cap, Sco, vir sag, there's no random chance there...
What a complete load of bullshit. There is nothing scientific about astrology.
Maybe not. But life can't be explained by science alone. We need the polarity of science ; spiritualism. And fuse them together.
And what is spiritualism?
Have you ever drawn your chart, Penguin?
Because it's pretty accurate and we've always been fascinated by the occult and ways to understand ourselves, our situations/fates, and the people around us. We like to know what we're best suited for, why we don't get along with certain people, and what we're predisposed to. It's human curiosity for ourselves and the world around us. We did come from star dust after all. I would think if one would want better accuracy to combine other esoteric schools of thought along with it such as numerology and palmistry. The more trends one sees for a particular fate the more likely it is to happen.
It's not accurate
@@GalaxyGal- argue with Creator, don't argue with me
Astrology is not accurate dumdass 😂
@@earlduckspencevsterencechi8835 sure, Jan
Last time I was this early VICE was still covering relevant topics
That last astrologer didn't know shit. She wasn't focused. The astrology store dude looked..eccentric.
If Gavin was truly having problems with commitment, then MAYBE it's his Sagittarius ascendant. Any interpretation of Sag's claim that they're independent and aloof and hate restriction. This usually falls under commitment regarding love. He has a Venus Capricorn which can be quite cold at times.
Anyone can read his birth chart wheel for free. There's even free chart calculators.
Ironic how he looks like Onision who is also a Scorpio and they seem to share the same attitude/humor
O Fira she stopped bcuz she New he was being dishonest
The guy in the shop has to be aquarius 100%. Gavin does look like onision and a bit like drake. And he's doing detective work so he's scorpio as fuck
you look like beck on his sea change album cover
Very good documentary, great presenter!
Please more videos like this!!!!
This is so frustrating, there are many level-headed astrologers out there with sound examples of why western and vedic astrology works. Unfortunately, they're probably not as entertaining and easy to mock. Good job Vice at showing both sides to the story...
There is no evidence that astrology works. None. Zero. Zip. You think it hasn't been picked up by modern science because it is not entertaining, or easy to mock? Absurd.
Sound examples? Such as? Can you at least explain what they say about how the position of a distant planet influences a human brain? Is it light? Nope. Gravity? Nah, the gravity of the doctor, the mom and other people around a newborn baby is much greater than for example Mars. Neutrinos? No, the sun and earth influence human beings vastly more than extrasolar stars and other planets, yet astrology ignores those. You have obviously never heard of the inverse square law either. That alone debunks everything astrology claims.
The actual positions of celestial bodies as seen from the earth are about as significant as the location of the hospital you were born in. Not at all.
People with the same "sign" are only similar in the most vague and generalized terms that apply to all people. If it did work, astrology could make predictions. Do you have an example of how astrologers predicted something in the way that for example quantum mechanics predicted the Higgs boson or that Mendeleev predicted the properties of atomic elements that had yet to be discovered? No, because it's as scientific as creationism. Science supersedes pseudoscience. Astrology sees a comet and says it's a bad omen and that people will die or some shit. Astronomy sees a comet, takes measurements, spectroscopic images, tries to predict its movement with calculations. Astrology is a cheap appeal to the emotion of dumb people, astronomy is the interrogation of reality to find out how things actually work regardless of human feelings.
Constellations aren't real patterns in space, they are a coincidental 2d image of stars at different distances and with different apparent magnitudes in 4d space. Some are further from us, but brighter. Others are close but dim. The reason they appear to be patterns is that they seem close together from the closed minded perspective of the earth, but they move relative to each other too. It's not like a constellation is a unit. That is why the constellations change. There are no "both sides" to the story because there are zero valid scientific hypotheses about astrology. You blindly believe it a priori without paying attention to any real arguments. If you had an argument and understood it well enough to substantiate it, you wouldn't have to refer to someone else to make your point for you.
if the dude would've had a legitimate chart done by a vedic astrologer, he wouldn't have been able to mock it so easily for naive audience. its unfortunate vice was so one sided
+leslucas "work"? Theres nothing in astrology to 'work'. If you truly knew anything about the topic (n not the bullshit people you are constantly exposed to, like in this video) you would not be saying that
just because they have good vocabulary and know how to make shit up doesnt mean they are more legit
way to go, you havent even tried to answer the question in the title, you just wanted to prove in the entire video that astrology is bullshit. the title of the video isnt about wheter the astrology is true or not, but why some people find comfort in it, or at least interest. it looks like youve made this film because you were interesting in your natal charts and future but were too embaressed to do it in your private life so you chose to shame it in a narrowminded and unoriginal video. boring and unrelevant.
Without looking at his birthday, can you try to predict his sign based on his personality?
because its bullshit.. its that simple
de sp in order to predict or guess someone’s sun sign you have to know them know their tendencies..people are a lot more complicated than just a “sun” sign..but extremely left brain people wouldn’t think much about or into it to understand.
8:55 but he IS a Leo wtf xD "No! You're totally wrong" that was fire haha
Great to watch :D
When you set out to make a mockery of something, you aren't a journalist. This is not informative.
Astrology does a great job discrediting itself, don't sweat it.
Sure he sounded plenty satirical at times, but he certainly didn't "set out to make a mockery" of astrology, just displayed various "astrologists" and the beliefs they have.
@cinematron861 there are way better "astrologists" out there. The interviewer was pretty biased. Send out an open minded journalist who actually wants to know more about astrology/has a neutral view on it.
+Richard Starkey The 3 he picked from youtube comedy gold...
that's great and dandy and all but that's not how truth works, which is what I think journalists should strive to report on: TRUTH. The interviewer can be unbiased/biased it doesn't matter, in fact it's better the more bias the journalist is towards being skeptical and playing devil's advocate because it's not his job to provide the proof or truth in astrology. It's the astrologists job. The journalist is there to challenge that question and hold their feet to the fire. There is no "neutral" view in science (the best tool we have to learn and discover truth in our world). I'm sure there are better 'astrologists' and psychics and cold readers. It's definitely a skill. Which therein immediately is a major red flag. There's no person "best" at demonstrating gravity. It's very black and white. You follow where evidence points to. If you don't like where it point, too bad. At that point you care more about what you want to believe than the truth.
4:05 funniest example of self-delusion I've ever seen.
he got a point😬
Great vid, thx!
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LOL!
the irony in this is off the charts
what's ironic? what am i missing
+/ they tried to make astrology look like a scam,but then here they are advertising their own
Harvey Kong but it is a scam, and the video demonstrates this. and what is vice's scam?
It's weird. So much of my family is into all this. I really just think it's desparately trying to look for a message in life instead of just living it. The reason it makes no sense is people are trying to order stuff that is really completely random and meaningless, but they can't accept that fact. My advice is to accept how random and meaningless it may all be and just make decisions using what logic and reason we do have.
Order and civility are valuable. That there are irrational routes to both is balanced.
Very very veeeery well said, some people just can’t deal with uncertainty and chaos, which basically defines our existence on this planet, but they try to control every aspect of their lives. At the end of the day tho, everyone lives how the like
"as he sung Age of Aquarius aggressivley at me". haha
@Hagge Banke, congrats for putting the finalising comment for the last 2 years. I was thinking perhaps about the astrological meanings one shall check this information as well and found myself here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_and_tropical_astrology
Proper astrology looks at flaws as well, it's meant to understand someone full personality since we can't always see/admit our fault so it can help watch out for pitfalls. Call it stupid, but I feel better prepared at dealing with people because I feel like I can expect certain kinds of behavior. Hasn't let me down so far. For me, it's just a study into psychology.
Why don't you study actual psychology
The astrology man is so beautiful!! Ah!! He's so eccentric.
I dont think most people take it serious, its more of a fun thing.
this was beautiful.
Well...basically you mock astrology ... isn't journalism supposed to be investigating instead of judging...
You can decipher your own birth chart, If you only had the brains. I learned meaning and symbols a few years back and it led me to a whole new way of thinking. This ultimately changed my life. Literally and figuratively. WOW!
Lol
It's not ok to make assumptions about someone's personality based on race, neither should it be for date of birth.
this is gold
Walter Mercado is not from South America. He's from Puerto Rico. Depicting him as South American seems like a generalization of the Latin community, but just done the wrong way.
I've met more than one person who LOVED lions more than any other animal and turned out to be a Leo, yet they didn't even know it.
Great job done!!!! Bravi!
Another awesome video Vice, keep up the great work. Did anyone else see that hairline at 4:34? I just want to sign him up for Hairclub for men so bad
I love astrology purely for fun. /Pretending/ it's real is something of an escape. A nice little hobby, if you will. Getting too serious about it perhaps isn't a healthy way to live your life, but to each their own (if it truly makes someone happy I guess). That being said, all Scorpio suns I know lowkey have commitment issues lol
And yet isnt it the exact opposite of what astrology says about scorpios? Case in point that's it's all bull
@@bad_writer no it depends on the natal chart not every scorpio is the same ❤
assault rifle hunting and DMT sounds fucking awesome.
this host is always great
I didn't use to believe in astrology at all and only put some faith in it today but the description of scorpio fits me so much better than the other 11 signs. I also found that finding out my friends signs usually wasn't a surprise as well as my family, etc. I wouldn't believe in it if it didn't seem so obvious some times, and I'm an atheist so it's an odd thing to believe in for me at all. I think that Cancers, Pices, and Scorpios tend to get into astrology the most, lots of my friends are these signs as well.
Hopefully you've come out of the brainlessness of this space racism in the past 6+ years ago you posted your comment.
I can agree with Astrology to a certain extent, I've noticed people of the same sign behave, and look alike. On the other hand, there odd people our that are nothing like their birth sign. Ultimately genetics makes up the examples given, but I feel maybe there is something about the time that you are born that determines some things. It shouldn't be entirely ruled out, physical examples have been found.
Anton Anktonkovich correlation≠causation
what's commonly known is sun sign. there are moon sign, rising, venus, mars, etc much more. doesn't take percentage as big as the sun but they contribute to the character.
That is confirmation bias. If you were to ask everyone you ever talked to what their sign was, you would notice that there is no correlation
Wow, an actual good vice video
I LOVE THE ASTROLOGY STORE MAN
The ppl who do interviews have the power to make the video look however he or she wants in the end to support his own beliefs.. keep that in mind ✌😇
The journalists you mean?! That's the opposite of what their supposed to do. They should be neutral and especially not judge who ever they interview so the viewer can take his/her point of view. This was very very poor made.
It's in my view that stars do affect our personality, image, inner superconcious because of the fundamental fact we are made of stars. But words could never adequately describe these natural occurrences because nature is not a noun. Tree's aren't treeing, water isn't watering and if you really experienced everyday nature you wouldn't be able to put it into words like, 'You're a Libra, Scorpio, Gemini etc..' People are obsessed with astrology because they want to put faith into something other then themselves to save them from certain truths to their behavior. The truth that if you pump your heart, then you are the Sun, the truth you're not guided or ruled over by anyone but your own cause and effect, your own yin and yang. That should be common sense because it's all a process happening inside your mind. I don't want to hear how creative and motherly I am because of Cancer rising. I am those things because being nice makes me feel nice not because of my signs.... my view
Getting a good chart reading actually is going to make you face truths about your behavior and relationship dynamics you might not want to see. It's not all about escapism. It can be use for self improvement and growth.
The life coach thing is bullshit. Astrology has defined things based on the stars. They're really isn't room of interpretation. A database should be fine. It won't answer all your questions but it it will help.
One thing that i noticed with astrology , people who dont believe in it are very biased when making documentaries about it. It is incredibly frustrating, i have watched and read a lot of interpretations of all of my natal placements, and went in depth with it. Not once have i seen someone going through the house placements and the array of aspects that you have in astrology. One thing they fail to realize, that sun , moon and asc is just part of the story, the aspects are the most crucial actually and their house position . I am not a type of person who will go talk about these thing if i dont see that there are certain patterns in people regarding astrology. And the sheer arrogance about what we know and what is the truth is all based on science and science alone, science is part of the whole picture, science and spirituality are points of view, when combined give us the full picture, like the left and the right brain interpretation of reality.
+Mercurial 33 well said
The fact that the matter in our own body was once part of other celestial bodies is irrelevant.