Astrology is Nonsense. Change my Mind.
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2021
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Santos Bonacci is a big advocate of Astrology, so today we are going to take a look at one of his older videos where he is explaining the signs of the zodiac. I'm just not buying it though I'm afraid!
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I had a friend who was an astrology believer, he'd often ask me what was my sign. I'd tell him a different sign every time and he'd always reply "Oh that explains everything about you"
😂
Gonna do that from now on.
I tried to so that but it turned out we had the same birthday so she remembered... Oops
I would tell people my sign was "No Trespassing" or if things were trending 'naughty', "Exit Only"
Brilliant lol.
- Hey, what’s your sign?
+ Stegosaurus
- What?
+ I’m an stegosaurus
- But… that sign doesn’t exist
+ LIKE THE REST OF THEM
Imagine determining someone's personality because of their sign, rather than, y'know, getting to know them.
It would make life much easier! But all flerfs have to be of the same sign, the Pancake.
Some people actually choose partners based on star sign compatibility! Bonkers!
@@casperthefriendlycookingapple Others go by football team, as long as it works for them, it's okay. But Santos is on a different level.
To my great suprise and disapoitment, quite many people honestly believe shit like that, and judge people by their signs even before meeting them.
You sound like a real libra
I was a firm believer of astrology when I was very young, like pre 15 years old. I was born 2/24 and that makes me pisces, who are supposed to be very emotional and altruistic. Back then I would read a lot about the traits and stuff and think they describe me so well. But after I learned about nature and nurture, it suddenly occurred to me one day that it is those labels or stereotypes that affected how I behave, not the other way around.
When kids, especially young kids like I was, who are very much still undefined and can be easily shaped by the environment, are exposed to astrology essentially telling them: hey, this is how your personality should look like, they end up being like that and thinking they are born this way, which can not be further from the truth.
@@RUclipsTookMyNickname.WhyNot Yikes.
Years ago in University I took an Astronomy 100 class. Before introducing himself the prof stood at the front of the class of about 100 or so students and told us the difference between Astrology and Astronomy and then told the class that he will restart in 5 minutes to give people the opportunity to leave without disturbing the rest of the class. About 7 to 10 people got up and left. Sigh.
Oof. 7-10 people is 7-10 too many
I’m amazed that about 93 people wanted to learn about the zodiac and how it affects your personality.
@@afpwebworks 🤔
Right, one is science, the other is superstition.
It's amazing how much "information" a person can acquire about absolute nonsense.
That would be the honest definition of astrology.
As a doctoral candidate in Sasquatch-ology, I am offended?
If someone is listening then just keep talking.
Like Kevin McCarthys 8 hour speech? 😂
The data pick up from the tuppenny falls mainly on the scammel wheel nut tofu box clippers.
I don't believe in astrology; I'm a Sagittarius and we're skeptical.
(Arthur C. Clarke)
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Where are all my water goats at!!! 🤣🤣
I agree, but as a typical Aries I would say that. Pluto told me.
You beat me to that quote. Nice!
God is an Atheist We Taurans think it's a load of Bull.
It's pretty funny how quick Santos is to challenge Dan to a debate considering the absolute beating he took while debating FTFE. His performance was like a train wreck; I couldn't look away.
Link!
@@deanmoncaster ruclips.net/video/rdHB7632j5E/видео.html&ab_channel=FTFE
Well he is surely going to talk gibberish in a loud voice, that seems to be the confidence for asking for a debate, these days debates have no meaning
@@deanmoncaster ruclips.net/user/liverdHB7632j5E?feature=share
Be warned, it’s one of the most painful videos on RUclips I’ve ever actually tried to watch.. they’re not just ignorant but incredibly unpleasant human beings..
I started a new job once and found out on the first day that my manager believed in Astrology. My gut instinct told me that it might not work out between him and me, because if he's dumb enough to believe in that, chances are his critical thinking skills aren't very good. His beliefs are going to be based on nonsense, he's going to be putting the wrong people in the wrong places (putting the right personalities together is a big part of a manager's job), and there's no predicting rationally what he's going to be judging me based on.
My gut instinct was right. I quit after 11 months, and 2 months after I quit, upper management fired him
Earth is flat and there's no space, but astrology is real with stars, planets and other planetary objects.
Ps: Apparently this needed clarification. I was being sarcastic.
yep, those idiots don't even realize it when they contradict themselves.
And even with Pluto!
@@mrxmry3264 Well, it's easy. They don't know and can't learn, so they make it up.
I know.....I know..... hahahaha 🤣
Definitely talking out of uranus
You know a person has a good point to argue when they resort to name-calling.
Given the earth's precession, the zodiacal constellations are different from when the charts were created.
Yeah maybe but have you considered you’re a jackass ?!
Till next week for more youtubecomment-debunking following the Santos-method
It always feels like when your a kid you get into an argument with someone and they can't think of anything else so they just say fuck you. Thats all flat earthers remind me of.
@@romeunleashed2 That's what you say, jackass!
Follow me for more flat earth arguments!
Yep, like for example. According to the zodiac I am a Leo. According to reality and the constilation that is visible in the sky during my birth month, I am a Libra. 😁
I see, someone else who has watched StarTalk recently ^^
I'm a libra, and I judge the man a nutter...
I've listened to explanations of astrology all my life. There is so much information about it, and extraordinary amount of detail as to how the planets effect the personality. And it is all based on what time and date you were born. Got it.
What I am most curious about is why it matters when you were born? Aren't the planets and stars effecting you while you are in the womb? And what exactly is the mechanism for them to have such an effect?
I am befuddled by how people view this so credulously.
Yup - passing through the birth canal when _these_ planets (but not others) in some way affects your life differently than if you passed through an hour earlier, or later?
...and then what about people who are "untimely ripped" i.e. the growing number of C-section births? Oops, not born, those people - not by the conventional definition, anyway - how does their astrology work?
Just like the religionists of every persuasion, and every priest of every cult and superstition in the history of mankind: people seek explanations outside of their own failings to explain the shit that happens in their lives. As soon as they see a coincidence it's seen as correlation and therefore explanation and bingo, divine interference is born. It's the "God Delusion" and Dawkins explained it quite well, if you have enough intellect and patience to wade through hundreds of pages of dry prose.
Professor Dave summarises it really well: ruclips.net/video/S7G-ruj22Uo/видео.html
Christopher Bedford My dad genuinely believes that the reason he sees more and more people claiming that their zodiac and horoscopes don’t fit them is because of the increased rate of c-sections.
The zodiac affects them differently, especially if they were born early (somehow), and that’s why the validity is being called in to question.
He reckons they could come up with a horoscope for people born by c-section if they had access to enough data.
I have to say I think astrology can tell you a lot about a persons personality.
For example, if they believe in astrology then they don’t have a very logical mindset
Yep 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right. I meet an astrology believer and instantly know all I need about that person. Fun to mess with, but not a logical or trustworthy person.
@@hoytoy100 but it is way too often tho. i mean in ma country we literally have a whole tv channel based on that ....i really cant understand.....how the hell people can be this delusional
You had me going in the first half. Well played
Sounds like a paraphrase of a Sheldon Cooper quote 😂
If astrology was true, you could give someone a personality test and determine their birthday from it. And you can't.
"Personality Tests" are largely nonsensical themselves.
And if you knew someone's birthdate you would never have to give them a personality test.
Sadly, I must disagree (though I most certainly DO agree with the implied facepalm you're putting out there).
If A->B does not equate to If B->A.
See, if every A leads to a B, that only means that every A is incorporated in the group of B.
But what if If C->B as well? All the A's are still in B, but C's are in there as well.
So if you had a B, you would only know that it was a B. An A will be a B, and a C will be a B, but any random B could be A, C, or something else.
But I absolutely agree that if astrology were true, you wouldn't need to do things like personality tests... you'd have one of 12 (or however many 'new' exceptions they could cook up) options and could just go from there.
Seriously though, only 12 types of people in the world? Man... all those musicians must have been born in one month. Better not hire THAT guy to teach. All police officers must be Leos and you'd definitely want a Libra judge for that car accident.
Join me in fractal-facepalm.
@@kimudo Well how would you know that A always leads to B when B can lead to A and C? Why A can't lead to N groups as well? You would have to make an exception here and then everything falls apart.
@@Tnargav Um... I think you're missing the point here.
It's called a syllogism.
But the issue isn't going one way, it's going backwards.
See, if all A's are B's, and all B's are C's, we can infer that all A's are also C's.
But it doesn't go the other way because the only information we know of concerns A's.
We know that B's are C's. We know that A's are B's. Therefore we know that A's are C's.
BUT we don't know what else might be a C... what about things that are also C's but aren't B's? What about things that might be C's but aren't A's?
See?
All Ford Escorts are a Ford Motorvehicle, all Ford Motorvehicles are Vehicles, all Vehicles are Objects, all Objects are Matter. But what about the other way?
Is all Matter Objects? Are all Objects Vehicles? Are all Vehicles Motorvehicles? Are all Motorvehicles Ford Motorvehicles? And are all Ford Motorvehicles Ford Escorts?
That's why I said what I said.
I agree with the joke, but the execution was a little off. Thumbs up and all, loved it, just didn't want some FlatEarther or Astologist to come in with woo-woo talk and point to oopses.
I once asked a good friend what role astrology played in their life.
The answer was basically:
Of course I don’t believe it, I’m not that delusional. However it helps me have some structure to my life upon which I can rely even if friends and family let me down. The moon for example always behaves as expected.
I found this fascinating, a practice of some tradition with the understanding that it’s not real seems a lot healthier than praying to a magic man in the sky and asking who to hate.
Yes I’d do neither but maybe we should ask more…” what role does xxxx play in your life?” 🤷
xxxx as in adult entertainment? 😉
P.s. I used the more familiar wording first but lo behold, it was automatically censored.
@@realtsarbomba well yeah if that’s the question you want to ask 😂
It’s just as valid.
@@RussCottier 😅
I used to be So into Astrology Eventually people started paying me to do their charts (so although grifting is not in my nature) I was doing it professionally. One night while getting high with some dudes I turned to the guy I was hitting it off with while we were playing GameCube and said “Your Birthday is June 8th”. He was shocked spent the next half hour explaining to everyone what a astonishing feat they’d just witnessed. So I like to believe I was pretty Good at it.
… Then I learned about Precession of the Equinox.
When I calculated my Sidereal placements I couldn’t make sense of them and reconcile it with tropical astrology.
My belief in it collapsed basically overnight.
It’s fun when I come across a novice and am reminded that I can pontificate at length about the topic seemingly indefinitely,
But, it almost never crosses my mind these days.
Gemini’s always have a way of standing out don’t they
I once overheard a guy saying he needed to talk with a girl with a nose ring to find out which planet was messing his life up. I told him, "I'm not a girl and I don't have a nose ring but I'll bet that planet is Earth."
Another good one, SciManDan!
Saw this on a Twitter meme
@G.A.P. got no clue what that means but okay
Haha, that's a good line
@G.A.P. Anne Frank was hiding from the Nazi’s in The Nederlands during WWII. Nuff said.
Old joke. Meh.
Astrology is basically the manifestation of the desperate desire to find a part of the universe that actually gives a damn whether or not you live or die. Ancient people faced a terrible environment where invisible diseases or dreadful local disasters swept loved ones away without warning or consideration.
Inventing some way of interpreting something that _looks_ significant to give the illusion of meaning is a way of warding off this dreadful specter of the cold nature of reality.
That sentence got away from me a bit, sorry. It does make sense, I promise :D
You see the same kind of manifestation in religious thinking.
Here here.
But understanding where it comes from just doesn't fix what's wrong with it.... namely: everything. I mean, we literally haven't left that 'environment' with a good portion of the population. For them, 'invisible diseases' include things like Covid... not because they aren't understood and documented, but because hiding their head in the sand is easier than learning something new that might damage their personal views.
It ~hurts~ to find out you're just, plain, wrong... and folks don't like that... so it's easier to shop around for a 'system' that props them up rather than face the reality that they are doggedly clinging to something that just doesn't work... and have likely done things throughout their lives that they'd feel bad about because of it.
Reality doesn't need our approval... and that's a scary enough fact to make folks get creative to avoid it.
I get what ur saying but I’d simplify it to say astrology is concerned, like all paradigms, to provide or assume some order in our inherently chaotic world. I’d also be careful to assume that the environmental struggles you describe are as ancient as you presume, many places in the world are still struggling - We underestimate our bubbles, both physically and mentally. I’m very new to all these new age contentions, and am careful not to take sides. I’d also wager that this, generally pessimistic implicit belief about nature being holistically cold and void of meaning is just as much of a projection of internal beliefs and cultural ordained circumstances as seen with astrology, but you’d probably side with the colder version because a hungry tiger wouldn’t hesitate to tear you to pieces - i.e., substantial evidence. But as we would both agree, theres also plenty of evident positive, coherence out there, even within the satisfaction of expressing your view point here! Sharing IS caring. Anyways, as corny as it sounds, we ought not to discount the role of love within the duality of existence, or rather of BEING seeing as we are the ones who distinguish and substantiate such things as order and chaos. All that being said, need we thrust out potentially illuminating and cohesive and UNIVERSAL ideas to serve the apparent coldness of our nature? Does astrology really amount to grasping for meaning within this coldness or simply mapping out a sort of universal structure, with universality being synonymous with love.
I should be careful to mention that I certaintly don’t believe astrology holds all the answers. I’m just trying to hint towards that no one paradigm may hold all the answers, but simply pieces of the puzzle which can provide a clearer picture side by side. I suppose I believe the way to go about these contentions is finding where different paradigms undoubtedly synchronise, rather than determining an ultimate hierarchy of paradigms ranked from substantial to unsubstantial. Certainty a hierarchy of better and worse ideas may be unavoidable, but perhaps this shouldn’t be the starting point and rather a secondary or final assessment after finding the cohesiveness of ideas. Ah but the minds love to look for patterns that aren’t there right? but doesn’t that seem like quite a large generalisation about what intentions human may incorporate when trying to map out nature. I believe the solution here is a dynamic approach that is always subject to having its opposite be true, with no resistance.
I really hope this isn’t as word salady or ranty as I fear but yea hope it’s at least interesting
And upon reflection, it appears I also don’t believe in paragraphs very strongly either 😂😂😂
Recently a scientific study has been released that found a correlation between believing in astrology en intelligence...it has a negative correlation coefficient as you can imagine😄
You know someone has a rock solid argument when they attack you, start name calling and throw insults around. That's always been what I have seen LOL.
I'm amazed that you manage to decipher what he's actually saying. I'm at a loss.
I'm an old hippie. When I was a young hippie, I often would jape, "I have my Mercury and Venus in Virgo, which makes me very analytical, therefore I don't believe in that astrology crap." Oddly, very few of the woo-woo people found me amusing.
This is the dawning of Aquarius.
@@MrCuddlyable3 "When the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars...."
I chortle along with you both. But at my age, the song that touches me is "Give me a head with hair, long beautiful hair." Since mine is slowly abandoning me. ;-)
@@tgbedini As is mine, but I continue to let what's there grow, "Down to where
It stops by itself". (Just above my waist).
@@Alex_Mitchell "When the moon is in the seventh house" - "When the Moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie that's..." - more relevant than any astrology.
If I had read my star sign only I could have been happy with "yes that fit me" but after reading all of them it appears that they all fit pretty well :)
It's almost as if it's designed to work that way!
They can also lean on the fact that your birth date puts you in a certain position in the school year, which is bound to have some small effect on your personality.
@@UltraObama For real. Saw a girl post on instagram "If you're a pisces then you can't stand fake friends." her caption was "this is so true." like, no shit. Name one person who likes fake friends.
I'm impressed by the amount of thought and detail that went into this streaming pile. What a useful skill to go on and on and believe it.
This guy is like that person everybody avoids at the bus depot.
I love how he stares so intently, studying his own diagram.
Well I have to admit it's pretty incomprehensible
Bet he is thinking, wtf does it mean 🤔 wtf am i saying ? Perhaps I'm borderline insane 😳
A diagram ? A badly drawn circle, some random lines and scribbles don't constitute a diagram.
@@TrickOrRetreat borderline?, no, no, he's off his fucking head lol.
I love the moments of silence when he's trying to remember his thought process, kind of like "hmm, I have mentioned fire before, what can I say to pass this off? Ahh yes, Cardinal fire, they'll know what I mean"
The very worst thing I've come across recently is starseed myths. So my brother's girlfriend claims she's a pleiadean while her best friend is a Sirian and her brother is an Andromedan. Like seriously one is a star, the other is an open star cluster and the other is a galaxy. She once stared at the sky claiming she could feel the energy of her homeland. I asked her 'are you talking about the Pleiades?', to which she nodded. I looked at where she was looking, pointed behind her and simply said 'well the Pleiades are there, not where you're looking'
She doesn't talk to me much anymore and I'm kinda glad, she's full of hot air and bullshit
Santos is the modern day astrology guru. Astrology was used often in the Romen empire and when you couple that with Santos's word salad you get the term Cesar Salad 🥗...... AMAZING.
I've noticed whenever anyone reacts to Scimandan, some start calling Dan names... To me a clear sign that Dan has made some good points;)
Common occurrence in people when they don't have an argument. Just resort to insults.
Yep, it's an indirect admittance of defeat. Whenever someone resorts to insults, name-calling and just being childish, they're essentially admitting that they have nothing left in terms of arguments and evidence for their position. It's hilarious to see yet also rather pathetic, as it shows just how weak their position is and how weak they are as it's proponent.
I always say it’s the equivalent of a cornered animal. They’re just thrashing around trying to get some sort of reaction to use as leverage
Don't you find it funny how that's a clear sign in an astrology video?
I can't change your mind on that Dan, I am in complete agreement. Astrology IS nonsense!
and santos obviously allowed his religion to poison his mind beyond repair. SMH.
@@mrxmry3264 I think more than just religion has poisoned him. Santos thinks the earth is flat and there's no space, then says we should believe in astrology based on star constellations.... Let the logic of that sink in.
@@Sheesha87 they keep contradicting themselves and they don't even realize it. SMH.
Historically, astrology gave rise to astronomy, which then proclaimed astrology to be pseudoscience.
My thing with Astrology is 2 months are man made so before they where put into the calander how did it all look?
I am really passionate about astrology, to me it's fun if I look at it for what it is: pseudo-psychology, archetypes, symbolism and myths. It's the same as studying ancient polytheistic religions, as their gods were associated with some planets or stars, gods that each had some specific characteristics that were transferred to the correspondent planet/star. Another correspondance could be the proto-psychology theory, derived from humorism, of the four temperaments, corresponding to the 4 vital elements, earth, water, fire, air. In ancient times it was a medical system. Science can now provide us with empirical, rational explanations that people in ancient times did not have and needed to resort to symbolism. There is no hidden truth, or a way to predict future events, it's a portrait of how people's minds worked in ancient times.
I did customer service at a newspaper, We would get complaints about people who did not like their horoscopes for that day.
I don't think astrology is nonsense, I think it's a wonderful case study in human psychology and the average person's capability of believing in nonsense that has been going on for millenia now.
It's just religion for the non-religious LOL Pseudoscience for the UN-scientific.
Religion does that already and much better way and much longer tho.
And pop culture continually demonstrates a lack of meaningful substance in the masses.
@@rigby0world1 who was talking about pop culture?
And the people that believe in rocks and mystic stuff
I've watched that word salad twice and it was more confusing the second time around. Imagine listening to Santos explain how he builds in the mathematical difference between the Julian calendar 46BC and the Gregorian calendar of 1582. There is now 13 days difference between the two.
Back in the 80's, I used to run a new age store, mainly to earn a living. I used an 8 bit Sinclair QL with 3.5" disk drives to run a rather elaborate Computer Astrology program. It gave short or really detailed character readings, which scrolled up on the screen as well as print out. I used to read the screen and summarize character traits, medical implications of health and choice of occupation. I was able to do this by just adding up the repetition of references to them, and believe it or not, their was a lot of bias towards certain things in each reading. So, from this I was able to make assumptions about possible occupation choices and got it right far more times than chance would allow. One woman's reading was so much about books I said to her, your either a librarian or run a bookstore. She said, I am the manager of a large bookstore. So, whilst there is not much at all to Astrology in logic or science, I am still a bit of a fence sitter in the sense of to some extent, it appears to work?
She had on a barnes and noble smock.....cmon
@@mattbergseid9196 No Barnes & Noble in the UK and no smock.
Kudos to you for watching all of his video. This is nauseating and painful. Keep up the good work SciMan Dan
The lesson that I’ve learned here is that Astrology is all about making shit up.
5:00 "Pluto is in capricorn" ... ancient astrologists (and astronomers) did not even know about Pluto, so for all but the last ca. 90 years every horoscope was flawed due to this lack of knowledge, but nobody ever spotted the discrepancies caused by that error of omission?
And now that Pluto is not even considered being a "real" planet anymore anyway, what effect does that have?
We all have to step three signs to the left.
That's if I understand Santos' "logic"
Oh, at 5:10 he also adds Uranus, a real planet (and a massive one), which wasn't known to ancient astrologers either ;)
@@hartmutholzgraefe damn.
Make it FOUR signs
@@mulgerbill Three signs to the left, then a jump to the right?
Yeah, he name dropped Ptolemy, who was born ~100AD, and mentioned Uranus, which wasn't discovered until 1781, and Pluto in 1930. But then he's mystic riffing sounds like the sort of 'meaningful' bullshit he used to use to chat up backpackers before he got old and wizened,
As an Aries, the only energy I have between 6 and 8 in the morning is the energy to tell people leave me alone I'm drinking my coffee 😅
I really like astrology! I love to be praised about my amazing qualities without actually moving a finger!
lmfao
Sorry Dan. I can't change your mind. I know this to be true, I read it in my horoscope.
I'd love if the ecliptic constellations would have been named after mundane objects like plates, wagon wheels, worms and soap.
Today is a great day; Soap and Plates are aligned, so I finally did my dishes !
@@kamielzeegers8106 I'm still waiting for toilet paper to be aligned with...................
@@casperthefriendlycookingapple Ahh yes, tricky.. that’s because Uranus is so unpredictable..
I mean ram, bull, crab, fish, etc. are already pretty mundane
@@casperthefriendlycookingapple
Maybe when you're done with those plates you could lend Casper some soap. I hear he's got some washing up to do.
I'm gonna be honest, Dan. I dont know that I can keep watching these types of videos. My head starts hurting trying to understand the bullcrap being spewed. You had another video last week that I could not for the life of me understand because the logic of it left within the first minute.
This is how my brain is starting to feel with Kent and Matt videos. Though I do appreciate that Dan takes their lengthy diatribes and condenses them down. I went to try the real thing and simply couldn’t take it without ibuprofen. I don’t know how Dan does it.
I share a birthday with Franz Kafka, Julian Assange, Tom Cruise and Leos Janacek. I'm a retired lawyer and not-retired amateur naturalist and charity worker. I think that says it all
However my sister Prue (short for Prudence) once had an uncannily precise horoscope in the local paper. My mum was reading the horoscopes for a laugh and suddenly grabbed Prue's arm and made her dance around - she would have been about 9 at the time. We all stared and asked why. "Well," she explained, " her horoscope says 'you must exercise a little extra prudence.' "
It's fascinating to see people who are well read in mumbo gobble not be self aware of how insane it is they think they're talking about something real.
I think most of them are aware. It's usually about scamming other people.
@@Mike-me3sp guess that's true
Still lots of serious ones though, who follow the frauds.
It's the inability to discuss that bothers me. It's how relationships break down too. A lack of communication.
At least study the globe model and understand it before you try and rip it apart. 🤦
I know he is saying words I'm familiar with, but I have no idea what he is talking about...
'Mumbo gobble' 😆
As someone who is also a Scorpio, I find that it’s almost never mentioned. I know it’s not real, but I want to know what not real things they think about me!!
As someone who is a Capricorn/Sagittarius (depending upon the particular dividing line on any given 'calendar'), finding out I'm now ALSO a Scorpio is just too much. I'm apparently, astrologically, trimorphic? Nope. That's it, just make me Gemini, then I only have to deal with two conflicting points of view, thank you very much.
A science, this is not.
Oh , no worries.. i bought 15degree pr hour hoodie instead ;)
THANK YOU KIM. YOUR ORDER HAS BEEN PLACED.
nono, thank you for finally making it easy to support your work, good sir
Happy belated birthday Dan. I hope you got an astrology book and a bike
rofl, I remember in my astronomy class... um... a few years ago (lol) the first day the professor had the daily horoscope up (unlabeled) and had the, I dunno, 100+ students pick what horoscope best fit them. Strangely, about 1 in 12 students correctly picked the correct horoscope based on the month they were born. It made me sad that we had to waste class time on that, but I knew there was a reason she had to start that way lol.
Derren Brown did a similar exercise. He gave a number of people a description of themselves based upon their star signs and asked them to go away and see how his descriptions matched their characters. When they reported back they were amazed at the accuracy of his descriptions. He then revealed that the descriptions he had issued were identical to each other.
After all, who doesn't want to describe themselves of having a good sense of humour, be kind to others, etc etc?
Statistics as well. I think it works out to something along the lines of if you take a random group of ten people, there's a reasonably good chance of two of them sharing a birthday. Increase the number and the odds go up. Take 366 and it's almost a certainty (a friend's son was born on February 29th 🙂).
Darren Brown is always the first to say it's all bunk, but also the best at fooling us with it.
@@misterocain Penn&Teller also did this in their series Bullshit. Students were asked how well a astrology-text descibed them and a lot said it matched quite good with how they viewed themselves. One student who wanted to speak out and call BS was told to not respond until the end. At the end one student (other one) was asked to read his/her astrology-description out loud and when done, the whole class was laughing.
They noticed that they all had received the exact same text to describe their own unique personalities......
I remember Santos and his elf. They were very entertaining.
That is different elf to Catz’s “debate” isn’t it? Santos little helper!
@@Chris-du3jc
catz? i thought FTFE had a problem with the elf?
@@mrxmry3264 Yeah, FTFE "debated" Santa and his elf already. Even if Dan was inclined toward debates there's no reason to give this piece of work the time.
@@Kalriostraz I agree, this nutfart is not worth Dan's time. Stick with flerfs, Dan
@@thejudgmentalcat It's Tinfoil Tuesday that's Flat earth Friday gotta mix it up a bit. He's a smart man I'm sure he was bored with the same content over & over for all of that time.
That awkward moment when you tell somebody that believes in astrology that they’re more than 12 zodiacs and more than 80 constellations in the sky.
I don't think you are getting it. It's division of the year by 12, it's actually not about specific constellations really. You could just change the constellations up using the same stars on the ecliptic. A SIGN is not a CONSTELLATION anymore due to precessional slippage and this has been known, the Astronomer/Astrologer Ptolemy reset the tropical zodiac from 10° Aries around 100ad. So it was intentionally frozen. SIGNS are markers of the division of the year in 12. Siderial takes into account the precessional slippage but Tropical doesn't take precessional slippage into account because it's about seasonal shift. But not even all astrology folks have learned or realized this so they conflate shit. Alot of what Santos here is trying to say is easier to understand stand by applying a wheel calander to classical allegorical symbolism, but beyond the allegorical symbolism aspect in many classic and ancient myths (or even modern art and music) it's all bullshit
So SIGNS are not CONSTELLATIONS, they are named after constellations that hellenistic astrology, tropical, borrowed from the Babylonian Mul Apin (star charts) which were usually the same SIGNS and sometimes the same or simmilar GLYPHS. The originally aligned but due to precessional slippage tropical froze the zodiac SIGNS and siderial chose to retain the alignment of the SIGNS with the CONSTELLATIONS
@@whatabouttheearth lol true but my comment was at your average new age Astrology moron. Jupiter's retrograde isn't going to affect anything on earth besides your brain from your beliefs. Besides, if he is showing an wheel or egg, I can't see that portion of this video. Those limitations on not being able to see lol.
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Well, Santos is all over the place. He conflates seasonal symbolism that is present in allegorical symbolism of centuries of literature, art, mythology and music, with divination astrology. And those are two different things, one historical and allegorical, and the other wooey "esoteric" fluff. I guess they do overlap but he massively conflates the bullshit with things more interesting.
For instance, Samhain/hallows eve/halloween, and Valpurgisnacht/Hexxennacht/May Day are both commonly reffered to as "the time when the living and dead is the thinnest", if you look at a circular calender (more easily found by looking for 'menstration wheel calander') you can easily see that those two dates, time regions, of late October and late April are opposite. The light summer side of the year and the dark winter side were generally associated with this world and the underworld, or in some traditions something akin to heaven and hell. Hence why Capricorn is on the Devil tarot card. Summer solstice being the peak of the sun on high. Many traditional tribes apparently saw the old as going to the other world and the young coming from it, they both were less physically and mentally capable in simmilar fashions, so they had them quite occasionally work together.
So there are these global perennial symbolisms that are related to natural seasonal cycles (southern hemisphere was just inverted, Day of Skulls in Bolivia is in May, but Day of the Dead in Mexico is in November or in some places October). Santos takes that and merges it with wooey astrological divination, so typical astrology which is where he strays from demonstrating to people the historical reality of the allegorical symbolism that is all over art, literature, music, holidays and mythology
@@NECRO1369
But yeah, astrology is bullshit
Either way it’s not super natural. It’s all wowo bullshit.
The late Dr Sagan complained that newspapers had an astrology column but none for astronomy.
I've always found it baffling that there would only be 12 types of people.
When I was young I would trick my friends (who took it seriously) by reading their horoscopes from a magazine, waiting for them to recognize and affirm how it applied to their lives and then reveal it wasn't even their own sign I'd read to them.
The ONLY part of "your birthday has some influence on your personality" that I could give some credit to is the seasons you experience in your first six months. I can imagine an infant might develop slightly differently if their first half year are only short days and much darkness and cold, versus your first half year being long, light days, short nights and high temperatures.
I think maybe some small correlations for people whose conception was on specific days. Like New Year party babies. Or Valentines Day babies.
Here in Serbia it will be usually girls/women ask you of your sign and SUBsign, like you can be a scorpio and subsign ram. Or you could be a double libra. So playing devils advocate here, they would (probably) say it's not 12 types of people but 144. And I think like the closer you get to a different sign you "tend" to have bits of that sign as well.
Basically convoluted mumbo jumbo that's impossible to hold to any standard.
I had fun reading all twelve horoscopes when I was younger. Generally, about ten of them worked... my ’own’ sign not always included.
@@azanjac Yeah I think they had to come up with the subcategories because 12 was too few lol
One important factor regarding the time of year you are borne is relative to the school year. It affects when you start school and whether you are amongst the youngest or the oldest in your year group. Assuming that everything else is roughly equal, being the oldest in a class is an advantage in childhood.
6:40 As a historian I have to intervene here: While the Assemblées des notables of 1787 was certainly an important step towards the revolution, it still fit well within the constitutional (I use the term here as an analytical tool; I'm well aware there was no *written* constitution before 1791) framework of the monarchy, historians generally set the beginning of the revolution to the opening os the Estates-General (5/5/1789) or even better in my view, to the storming of the Bastille (14/7/1789).
NEEEEEERRRRRRRD!!!!
I am not an historian but I was about to point this out as well, but you did it even better than I would have!
@Anders Sjöberg yeah, of course the point is still valid. I wonder how the stars stood 1917-1919. Was this in Santos' view not revolutionary enough, lol?!
I don't believe in astrology... But, hey: I'm a Capricorn and Capricorns in general just don't believe in astrology. So there must be some truth in there... :)
Great work as always, Dan!
When I was a kid we had this wooden globe. It had a ring around it that listed the constellations and their corresponding months. It said I was a Leo. Then I started reading the horoscopes in the paper. That said I was a Cancer. I was like wtf. Haven’t believed them since.
“A Leo’s energy is light and golden.” I am a Leo that’s cool. “Mussolini was Leo.” God dammit Dan!!!!
Yeah i don't know where Bonacci got that, but Leos are not "light and golden". Generallly , Leos tend to be vain and to take insults about their appearance a lot more personally than other people.
I'm confused, also. He called it a "fire hose" so maybe it's a water hose that shoots fire? I dunno. Nothing he said was coherent.
Fire hose is actually the least of his problems...it's legit. A fire house doesn't shoot out fire any more than my garden hose shoots out gardens. It's the regional use of the words.
A fire hose is what we call the style of large hose used by fire fighters.
@@fizz71 Yeah, my muffler is always excausted.
Dan I’ve been watching for a while and I enjoy the education I’ve received. Having said that this guy is a DUNG HEAP!!!!!! I usually can make it through to the end but I’m sorry, it has nothing to do with you but I can’t believe this guy breaths air. Sorry for everyone who listens to this guy!! Thanks my friend!!!!
Love to see what discussions arise when this guy has all his mates round to home and gets on the beers 🍻😂😂
One thing astrology is good for is D&D
Makes for some excellent fantasy magic 😌
Good for keeping grells at bay that's for sure.
Final Fantasy Tactics used it, but given all of the crazy shit you can do in that game, it's worthless.
Particularly if you have old man Thundergod Cid. The one man army.
@@mechanomics2649 yeah, what was the point of the zodiac in that game anyways?
That guys video reminds me of an expression my mum used to use.
"In order to be a good liar, you need a good memory".
After watching him clumsily stumble & mumble through his attempts to justify his weird set of beliefs, it seems pretty apt lol.
@CrimsonKate82 To spell words in English you need a good MEMORY. Bless your good Mum.
@@MrCuddlyable3 Fixed it. Hands & brain out of sync this morning, blaming my arthritis lol :)
@@crimsonkate8241 That is very well done Ma'am. The World needs more good people like you. Respect.
Please do the debate! I would love to watch that!
Santos said that we see stuff in our own special way and oh boy I do know you do it pretty well... imagination is such a gift
I loved this video. Found myself sitting, mouth hanging open, in absolute awe at this incredible stream of completely nonsensical amazing bullshit. Thank you SciManDan for presenting this. And he has the balls to call anybody else an idiot.
Me: reads your username
Also me: does the nose thing.
I also share your sentiment.
Just make sure your brain doesn’t fall out of your hanging mouth, that’s how they get you
Basement knowledge at it's finest 🤗
@@kevinchong5424 youre hilarious 😂
Very well formulated
In the 80's my dad studied astrology as a hobby. He dropped it all when he learn that it's all based on the "interpretation" of the position of planets calculated with an inaccurate star chart that makes each sign off by a month. All that he is saying is BS.
Just remember those who know the mathematics behind astrology they don’t share the knowledge.
But I tell you if you seek ya you will find the astrology is the true science.
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Precession + Ophiuchus = actual science.
@@JW-gx2it Having a mathematical basis is not a defining characteristic of a science.
I mean, he didn’t study that far then, since he is apparently unaware of the difference between signs and constellations
I wrote an astrology program in the 1980's. Calculated all of the orbits myself. The positions of the constellations have nothing to do with it. You divide 360 degrees into 12 equal parts starting at the First Point of Aries, the equinox. I never thought that there was any validity to astrology. I just liked the math. You name the 30 degree sections after the constellations. If you used the actual constellation, you could only be a Scorpio if you were born in the last few days at the end of November. Only the thin tail of Scorpius is in the ecliptic plane. And you have the 13th constellation Ophiuchus. Don't let people tell you that is new. Ophiuchus has always been there.
Happy Belated Birthday man!
Keep making fun of these clowns! Love it!
Santos’ rambling is nothing more than nonsensical esoteric effluence. Well done Sciman Dan! Can’t wait for Friday’s video! 👊
After hearing him use his words...all I realized is...."I won't get those moments of my life back" 🤦♂️
Origins of Astrology: if you lived in a society where the calendar was determined by observations of the Stars, where priest astronomers studied helical risings in order to announce when to plant crops, and where the death of a king was remembered as happening in "the year when Mars passed through the constellation of gemini," you can see how easy it might be to make a serious philosophical error. Instead of realizing that the Stars offered a practical way to date and coordinate human affairs, you might come to believe that the Stars control or at least influence human affairs. This belief is called astrology. We call this belief a superstition for the same reason that we say it is superstitious to believe in invisible fairies in your garden: No experimental evidence supports the belief, and predictions based on the belief have no better than random accuracy. For these reasons astronomers are usually not delighted when they are mistakenly called "astrologers."
Let me reiterate something: no experimental evidence supports the belief, and predictions based on the belief have no better than random accuracy.
Interesting perspective, hadn't thought about it that way before.
@@SilverDragonJay I read religions and astronomy. Every religious text (even Christianity) is just coded texts and/or stories for priest to use to control the population. The astromers used these calculations to seem magical. In the public eye the king or leader of that civilization was viewed as the all powerful within the society, but even the kings/leaders revered and feared the priest astronomers. I could try to explain this all but it would take years and years to go through it all and it is certainly far too much information to post through comments
Also, if you could convince the people in power that you could "read the signs" but it was a secret and special skill, you didn't need to farm or soldier.
@@MonkeyJedi99 correct. The texts/stories have hidden messages about the stars and planetary bodies. The ones smart enough to realize this and decode it would be "chosen" by the god/gods and become a priest/priestess. There is a very good reason why we say "the answer is written in the stars".
@@echohoneybee7529 I rap it up for you Echo....it's all bollox.
When my wife gets asked what her star sign is, she replies, "Ophiuchus". Which was the constellation the sun was in when she was born.
I was SO happy when I saw the title of this video, astrology really is total nonsense.
"The art of astrology gained new credence with scientists today when everyone born under the sign of Scorpio got run over by a milk float". I think that was by Douglas Adams.
Sounds about right.
RIP Douglas. A brilliant mind taken too soon.
Must have been because he was a Pisces
That old guy looks more homeless than I am
and I'm typing this with a 10 year old phone
When asked in the past about my sign, by 'enthusiasts' i used to give them the opportunity to have as many guesses as they like...up to 11 maximum, as our conversation continued...
...ive never lost that game. True story.
Astrology can be "fun" as long as you don't take it seriously. It "works" by making predictions so vague, that almost anyone will see something that "proves it's right".
conversation starter at best.
Do crazy people ever realize that they're crazy or do they just fall deeper and deeper into the mindset that everyone is wrong.
As a scorpio, I can definitely relate to Dan saying "still no scorpio, though."
Not realizing it is kind of part of being crazy.
I once heard my crackhead neighbor screaming to his friend angrily that the russians were using us and hiding their nuclear waste here in canada because we have the best tectonic plate... as if it made any sense at all.
I myself had some psychosis and believed in some crazy stuff at some point but I always was kind of on the fence, half believing half thinking I must be crazy.. I think some people are too far in and can't look back while others, even when sane, never question what 'feels' true to them so it doesn't take too much to take them over the fence.
They’re not crazy. Just profoundly ignorant. And determined to stay that way.
It's that quote from Se7en: "When a person is insane, as you clearly are, do you know that you're insane?"
If you know you are crazy, you aren't crazy, it's everyone else that's crazy.
Watching this guy trying to explain something is like watching one of those parachute fabric figures flapping its arms. The kind that the bottom of the fabric is attached to the fan. He’s just standing up there flapping and flapping and flapping some more and not really saying much.
On the other hand, I'm now the proud owner of a used car.
Well done Scimandan, me and my dog love watching every week
Nice to see that he gives no REASON why these things work, just because he says so. Thrilling, so ever convincing.
They can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reasons do you need, oh oh oh oh?
--The Boomtown Rats - I Don't Like Mondays
Love how they go straight for ad hominem attacks, their ego and arrogance that their belief is superior won't let them have a rational thought.
It is very unfortunate how they start insulting Dan, rambling badwords while "inviting" him for a "discussion"... Unbelievable.
Yes, you just know what sort of 'discussion' it would be.
I have learned:
There is no point in debating such idiots.
a) they will never change their mind, no matter what. Even if they agree to some of your points, they will switch back to the position they had at the beginning of the debate.
b) when trying to explain why they are wrong, you usually need to introduce some basics. Which may take a while. Usually they never let you finish this explanations but most of the time switch topic.
I was waiting for Scorpio too. I'm not sure I would have understood what he said about it anyways.
Have you done any live debates? Would love to see you rock these crazy people
I have an interesting experiment. In the real world, scientists of similar education, and given no context, could look at each others work and pick up what it is going on about. I wonder what another astrologer would make of his drawings if given co context.
They'd probably be wondering why someone is blowing their load all over Taurus.
A true flat earther knows there are no planets billions of kilometres away and no stars lightyears away. It's a dome a few 100 kilometres up with pretty lights moving around the ceiling. I hope the lights will not burn through the dome. That makes me think why doesn't the light reflect of the dome? (Stop! Stop thinking!) They have to be pretty fierce for the light to penetrate the atmosplane to the earth disc, after all. Why the lights move and how they influence people is anyone's guess, god's ways are mysterious. Or was it written about in the bible, or something?
@@transient_ Goddidit or magic. Obvs
@@transient_ Why, the dome has the latest anti-reflective coatings, donated by Meade Instruments Company!
@@transient_ Yes, in Genesis it says that the stars are for "signs and for seasons, and for days and years"
Love this channel. I feel less dumb and I‘m happy to know that there are intelligent people out there like Dan.
scimandan is a legend
One of my pet peeves is someone assuming things about my personality without sufficient basis. That's the very definition of astrology. The notion that they just assume who someone is inside because of the arbitrary positioning of stars and planets just sets me off every time. I'm sure if you ask one they'd insist that of course there are other influences but that somehow any person you mention born under those conditions fundamentally possesses these traits. They'll jump through hoops to make it apply.
I have three kids. I see characteristics in them that are very much like my own, unsurprisingly. Same with their father. He was born in January and I was born in October. My son was born later in October, my daughters in December and June. But we're alike. Imagine that!
I'll tell you what frustrates me to no end, though... the number of people I'll hear saying things like "I'm such a Virgo" or "Ha, Libra problems, amirite?" But if you saying "No, you're not," suddenly you're the jerk. Also, every list of horoscopes you find has an interesting trait... just about every entry on the list will sound like it describes you perfectly, or at least partially. Keep it vague enough and, like the charlatans who claim to be able to read your future, they'll convince people it's true.
As I see it, the subconscious plays an important role in how we think and react in certain situations. The unconscious mind is like a software, it contains our past history and experience. The thoughts that now come to us in certain situations, and the way we react, depend on how our subconscious is programmed. We humans react differently because the unconscious memories we have are different.
Certain thought patterns can often be deeply rooted in the subconscious, and then they are not so easy to change. We do not enter this life as a blank page, as a tabula rasa, we carry with us impressions and memories from previous lifetimes. If we leave this world as a confirmed atheist we will come back as an atheist in our next lifetime. Picking up where we left off, so to speak.
Dude shut up, nobody gives a damm
@@crypt1d550 A topic that makes you angry or uncomfortable.
lol, I used to teach in a planetarium. A couple times a year, some party outfit would rent the whole facility and have a multi DJ rave. So, I'd operate the planetarium and play house music. All the raver kids wanted to see the zodiacal constellations, and while I didn't do this on purpose, they were frequently disappointed to find out that their star signs weren't actually what they are.
It was a great opportunity to teach a group of drunk and high young people about precession. I mean, who doesn't look forward to that?
When the “houses” were determined so long ago the arm of the Galaxy we are in has moved far enough that the current dates for the houses are now currently about two out… bit like homeopathy, complete vague nonsense…
My god!! Are you implying water doesn't have a memory?
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that people still think astrology is a thing that should be taken seriously...but it still surprises me. When will I learn?
Many years ago a school leaver came to work where I was working at the time. He took the trouble to ask everyone's birthday, so he could work out their star signs.
He determined that everyone's star sign opposed his and he told the owner he couldn't work with them as a team.; in other words help each other.
He was told to piss off back to work or go home; his choice. He didn't last very long.
4:29 "So what are you actually saying here? So, libra and ares are actually allowed to judge people?" As a libra I can only say "Yes. Yes we are." XD
"NURSE!! NURSE!!!! HE'S UP AGAIN" 👉😖💨
Imagine how much science these FE-types could do, if they directed their energy to pursuit nonsense in to some sense.
But then again, I like the Tuesday and Friday treats from SMD 😉🧡
It was a way to gauge the passage of time , before calendars ,,,, and was critical for successful agriculture ....In addition at one time trade secrets...
You're always fun to watch, Dan. Please don't kill yourself doing an ultra marathon. The planet needs you.
When you want to be a cult leader, but you can’t afford the acoustic guitar…
A true leap of faith requires an air “air guitar”.
Where have you been? We cult leaders "went electric" years ago!
This was a painful one to watch... At least with some of the flat earthers you can see they are trying to do science; I just don't even know what this is really?
Oh well good work as ever Dan! :)
it reminds me of, in childhood, when kids would just let their imagination run free and describe absolutely ridiculous stories/scenarios. That's what this guy looks like. Just made up bullshit after made up bullshit.
Well I think this would count as trying and succeeding at doing pseudoscience.
They use science like a child does brain surgery. They’ll technically do it, but they’re guaranteed to fuck it up
They're not trying to do science they're trying to sound science like
I'm wondering what the deal is with that board he's writing on. Did he glue some papers to a piece of cardboard? The fact that it's all wrinkled and in disarray points to his general competency level at doing things.
Getting told I'm the spawn of Satan and shouldn't exist because I'm a Gemini had made me absolutely despise the whole astrology thing. Insane and deterministic to believe in astrology nonsense.
I wondered why I could only walk in circles. Turns out I'm in the wrong sign and I can't do directions.