Which generates more force. Two Sumo Wrestlers or a punch from Rampage Jackson? Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, John Brenkus, Base Productions BASE Productions
@taekwon3000 Ive been wrestling longer than u have so I know which would be better to counter the TD with, and since the wrestlers target is the leg, punish him with it, so he will avoid even thinking about going there, but whenever you try to counter the takedown with any strike, it is easier to get taken down, just watch the Silva/Sonnen fight, how many times Sonnen counter grappled Silva's strikes to get it to the ground.
@taekwon3000 the punching from the bottom hurting sum1 is rare, besides to be on the bottom and try to brawl with sum1 who is on top is a losing battle, considerring that power and toughness are the biggest factors in trading punches like a wild man. You are right that you can hurt sum1 from the bottom... but only if they are posteuring up, allowing you to extend ur arm all the way.
@taekwon3000 knees and kicks are both more powerful than punches, but u cant keadkick if you arent flexible enough, and you cant really throw an accurate knee without a clinch, but there are flying knees which are spectacular ways to finish a fight, and I think that is one of the many ways MMA beats boxing. For one thing its complete fighting system, another, the wild submissions/grappling wars/throws/slams/flying moves/ cage moves/ knees and kicks that come out of no where on top of the boxing
that is your opinion, but fact abdominals and obliques are paramount when performing a punch, think of the rotation from the hip. also stops your upper body floppin.
I guess the only way to prove anything would be a test. A point- very few people actually work the abs for strnegth- that is to say there is no 1rm, but instead many moves for endurance more orless.
@jagdjohn96 Well of course bro. You have to cross train to do good in MMA whether you are a wrestler, boxer, muay thai fighter, BJJ guy and what not. We can both agree to that.
Interesting fact is that when Randy gets someone in the mount he hits with an incredible 2000 pounds of force! I bet Toney hasnt been hit that hard B4!
Yeah - but you have to include that Houston Alexander punch was more like a hard straight compare to Rampage's hook. Rampage's hook definitely generates more power than any straight.
To Poobank well yea, technically they're correct when calculating force rather than pressure, but that's the wrong application. This may seem like a stretch to you, but it's similar to saying that being pushed by a bulldozer is more deadly/painful/harmful/etc... than a bullet because a bulldozer is XYZ pounds more than the bullet (i dont know the weight of a bulldozer off the top of my head)
@therealJAYO It doesnt take a genius to figure out who has more PRESCISION accurracy, but that still doenst mean that there percentage of landing the hit ratio is drastically different. I agree with the single leg, considering boxers leave there leg way in front of them. I was surprised that Toney was waiting to counter punch Randy instead of trying to outbox him while he could.
@taekwon3000 cont. take Siver into his strength which was on the ground, so Denis utilized his superior striking skills to drop him twice in the first round, and outpoint him the rest of the fight, bc even tho George was an amateur boxer, he wasnt as good a striker as Siver, but he had much better BJJ, but Siver utilized his TD defense to keep it where he is most comfortable and he tossed George around like a ragdoll. Siver +Striking +Wrestling(TD defense) George +Jiu Jitsu(on the ground)
@taekwon3000 being good at hand striking is important in MMA, but it is better to be a jack of all traids than to only excel at one thing, for instance, Denis Siver(kickboxer) vs George Sotouropolis(BJJ). Denis Siver's strength is in his kickboxing, and George's is the Jiu Jitsu, but Siver had Jiu Jitsu experience going into that fight, and George had boxing experience going into that fight, so they could hold their own against eachother, but the wrestling made a difference bc George couldnt
They had a boxer do something similar on another show. He did a straight right and it came out to about 1000 pounds. I agree though it's not a practical punch and I can't imagine someone getting caught with that unless they were practically out on their feet already, but their data seems right on to me.
@jagdjohn96 And what does this have anything to do with what we were originally discussing? LOL. Plus Knock outs from punches is most common in MMA than from knees or kicks. Fighters of all styles love to show their machismo by knowing they can knock someone out with a punch.
The problem with his demonstration by Rampgae is that in a real fight he be counter easily by a good striker because he lounges back with that punch to bring it in with as much power as he can. He did not cock his right or left hook like that against Silva and Liddell. They were great punches though.
A person said that a little guy with strong abs would have more power than a big man without- I disagree, I have a strong punch and I've never done any ab exercises(or to be precise hardly ever). Fact is, I've never felt sore abs because of boxing, only shoulders and simply tiring out.
@therealJAYO just to clarify that is pressure force, not psi. Chuck hits with 115 pounds per square inch. multiply that by the size of his fist and you got your pounds of force. If Kieth Jardine can take 1800 pounds of force than Randy can take 1300, hell Brock hits harder than Toney and it took 31 of those lunchboxes to the face to TKO Randy. BTW Randy's chin is tough enough to take a direct headkick from Gonzaga! But Brock has a great wrestling background that Toney doesn't Randy by 1st rd TKO
if I was going to stuff a takedown with a strike, I would much rather use a knee, as opposed to reaching down and trying to land an uppercut, less power, and more adjusting would be required
you quoted yourself 'A person said that a little guy with strong abs would have more power than a big man without' even though you disagree with this statement was made for a reason. Put it this way, imagine a big guy with strong abs n a big buy with normal abs, whos going to hit harder? the difference will be as significant as having stronger shoulders as opposed to less developed ones if not more
@jagdjohn96 Toney was wating to catch Couture coming in with a takedown. That is why Couture dove from miles away with a way low ankle pick. Very great game plan by Couture. Toney was expecting him to come wasit high with a double leg and catch him with a shot.
@jagdjohn96 Btw, Rampage has not slam a guy in years. For him to slam Toney he have to get on close meaning he risked getting hit by a Toney punch. Also one can get knock out from bottom position.
Is it the strength of abs we're talking about here or the visibility of abs e.g a man with visible abs has a better punch or what? If by strong abs you mean visible abs, then no because Fedor punches harder than most people and he got a vodka belly. But if you mean the strength of the muscles regardless of fat covering the belly then I'd agree that someone with stronger muscles and limbs would hit harder.
@taekwon3000 I saw it, all it proves is that a big strike can knock sum1 out at any time, boxers only chance against an MMA fighter is punching and punching with a small window of time b4 the takedown, but when you have boxers like JDS come into mma with TD defense, then they can win, but they are no longer just boxers, they become MMA fighters and use the sprawl and brawl strategy
@therealJAYO Wandy was KOed by a Rampage punch and so was Chuck, thats for sure. BTW his accuracy won't matter if he hits Randy, a moving target, as he's shooting, or if hes on his back. I think randy should setup the takedown with a fake just to keep Toney from uppercutting at all. Ive seen Randy shoot b4 and his most effective takedowns are when they punch him as hes shooting. He called it a "give and a take".
@jagdjohn96 You serious? Lesnar was not hitting Couture with full power. He was tip tapping him with punches on the ground. Nothing like he hit Herring with. If Toney would had tagged Couture, Couture would had been out because his chin is done. Look at Couture vs Nog.
@jagdjohn96 You dont have to reach down if ur stance is more grounded. Plus with a knee ur legs have to be up front more. when u sprawl u have to push ur legs back. It is more risky with knees. I know cause I train. But to each their own. What ever works for u bro I aint knocking that.
@taekwon3000 any punch can hurt sum1, but rarely do I see a fighter get knocked out with the first punch thrown. The only times ive seen it happen, were Marquart vs Maia and Sylvia vs Mercer, the only time Ive seen a fighter get dropped while shooting in for a double leg was Munoz vs Grove. and Munoz went on to win that fight by ground and pound. what makes you think im biased against boxing? It is out of the question that an MMA fighter will beat a pure boxer in an MMA fight, 90% of the time
@taekwon3000 it takes a TON of timing to catch sum1 shooting for a takedown, not only that but, just because he lands that one punch, doesnt mean the MMA fighter is done. You boxing fans fail to realize that MMA fighters have to take much more than just punches to the face. A head kick or knee to the face of a decent Muay Thai fighter will do much more damage than a punch from a boxer.
I dont know how accurrate those numbers are? 1800!? Whats even more impressive is that Hendo can take a hit from that compact car right on the chin! Avg. Boxer hits with 750. Thats Rampage's Punch though, "rolling hook". If MMA fighters can take that, than Randy should be able to take out Toney, no matter what he gets hit with! Randy hits with 500 pounds with his straight right, and 2000 pounds from the mount!
Bs- I've never done situps, I dont do any ab exercise at all and I am a hard puncher- mass is more important than core strength. The trick is keeping it up, if you cant get oxegen to the muscles- larger guys tend to have this problem- then you cant put much force into it. Size and form matter- but strongs abbs dont mean s---.
@jagdjohn96 Ive taken BJJ for 11 years. Once again why u assumed I am just a Boxing fan hating on MMA? Just because u hate Boxing does not mean I hate grappling or MT.
@taekwon3000 Why does it matter, if anything can happen, then Randy couldve KOed Toney, but that was unlikely just like Toney stuffing a takedown was unlikely
@taekwon3000 JDS is an excellent MMA fighter, but he is not just a boxer, his TD defense is light years ahead of a pure boxer, and his grappling skill are undoubtably better. But he does win most of his fights by outboxing his opponnents, then sprawling when the other guy shoots for a takedown. Im not against punching, im against the whole boxing vs mma shit. Boxers alone are only good at boxing, MMA fighters can be good at everything
@therealJAYO Ok Toney knows more tricks, but that doesnt mean Rampage is less accurrate, BTW Toney lost. Im surprised at Randy's punching power though. On his feet he is only 300 pounds of force shorter than Toney.
this is totally wrong. you can't compare a punch to a hippo sitting on somebody's head. The punch's force is concentrated in a smaller surface area while the hippo's force is spread out. both would surely suck though. they're completely throwing their 1st year college general physics out the window
@taekwon3000 its not the guy doing the lay and praying's fault, bc the guy on the bottom doesnt know how to do jack shit from his gaurd, so the guy on top figures he gets an easy win against a bad fighter, without expending much effort
so to hit hard you use your lower body....wow that's not really news man. I mean flame me if you wish, but martial artists have known that for a long freaking time. Its also why samurai can swing their sword and have it land on you with the force of a falling mountain. Oh btw Rampage, just remember there is always someone bigger and stronger and faster than you. Just cause you haven't met them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Eat some humble pie, just a little bit please.
@jagdjohn96 Drastically different? Jackson laded 38 out of 80 punches against Machida. Toney is way more accurate than that. Toney's problem is that he is a flat footed fighter. His upperbody and head movement is very slick and as you come in he creates great timing and distance with measurement anc catches you. Rampage has good head movements and good accuracy too, but not like Toney. That is his craft.
@taekwon3000 So what! Fighting is not just about KO power,(BTW alls rampage would have to due to KO toney, is slam him). Its about skill, which JT has none of anywhere besides punching.
ther is a punch machine in the pub that i got to... i got 847lb and came straight home to see wha rampage got... i was drunk... im gunna go tomoro sober and ima see if i can get at least 1000lb has to be done
I thought this was a punching test so why are they using mma fighters , put any professional heavyweight boxer who is known for being powerful in there if you want real results
@taekwon3000 Again, Rampage can KO him with GnP or a slam, he doesnt need to box with James Toney in MMA. Boxing is a stupid form of fighting, since when has 2 guys really wanted to fight, but say "lets only use our hands". Sure James is a better boxer, Rampage will beat him at everything else though
@jagdjohn96 Toney had a way better chance of catching Couture coming in for a takedown with a punch than Couture KOing Toney in the stand up. Not like if has never happen. It has plenty of times in MMA fights. That is why Couture went for a low ankle pick. He is a smart man. At least way smarter than the idiots out there who shits on Boxing.
@jagdjohn96 Why u keep disputing MMA with Boxing? U r making boxing to be very powerful by doing this. MMA beats any single style DUHHHH. Obviously. Boxing is a singles tyle like wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai n what not. boxing is more utilized by someone with takedown defense because they dont risk being taken down by throwing kicks. But why argue a invalid debate. We all know u need to cross train to be successful in MMA. But boxing is a very important component of MMA just as wrestling, MT n BJJ
@jagdjohn96 You are ignorant when it comes to Boxing. Look at Toney's fight with Samuel Peters. Peters is a fucking beast. He hits way harder than Rampage and he caught Toney with some power shots and Toney still manage to not get KOed.
Not as fun as it sounds ?? Wtf are they talking about.. i get teenage hippos to sit on my head when im bored. It's actually quite interesting :) It only gave me severe brain damage (don't worry its not as bad as it sounds) i can still walk and talk perfectly fine.. sure, i do it from a wheelchair but thats no big, I encourage everyone out their to try it :) !!
@jagdjohn96 My point to mentioning those fights is that in MMA fighters have been hurt by a punch or punches while going for takedowns. Again wtf does a kick or knee to the head have anything to do with this? Nothing because that was not part of the discussion. You are very bias against Boxing it is sad. R u racist because Boxing has many Black n Latino fighters? Did ur mom leave u for a Boxer? did a boxer stole ur girl? Talk to me lil buddy. I am open ears lil buddy.
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Me: Wow he's so cocky and full of himself...
*hears he punches 1800 lbs of force*
Me: Wow, he's so modest...
they should have Crocop`s LHK measured, Im think around 3 times Rampage`s punch
@taekwon3000 Ive been wrestling longer than u have so I know which would be better to counter the TD with, and since the wrestlers target is the leg, punish him with it, so he will avoid even thinking about going there, but whenever you try to counter the takedown with any strike, it is easier to get taken down, just watch the Silva/Sonnen fight, how many times Sonnen counter grappled Silva's strikes to get it to the ground.
@taekwon3000 the punching from the bottom hurting sum1 is rare, besides to be on the bottom and try to brawl with sum1 who is on top is a losing battle, considerring that power and toughness are the biggest factors in trading punches like a wild man. You are right that you can hurt sum1 from the bottom... but only if they are posteuring up, allowing you to extend ur arm all the way.
"put my ass into it!" LOL
@taekwon3000 knees and kicks are both more powerful than punches, but u cant keadkick if you arent flexible enough, and you cant really throw an accurate knee without a clinch, but there are flying knees which are spectacular ways to finish a fight, and I think that is one of the many ways MMA beats boxing. For one thing its complete fighting system, another, the wild submissions/grappling wars/throws/slams/flying moves/ cage moves/ knees and kicks that come out of no where on top of the boxing
that is your opinion, but fact abdominals and obliques are paramount when performing a punch, think of the rotation from the hip. also stops your upper body floppin.
I guess the only way to prove anything would be a test.
A point- very few people actually work the abs for strnegth- that is to say there is no 1rm, but instead many moves for endurance more orless.
Where do I find that video & why didn't Houston Alexander throw a hook?
@jagdjohn96 Well of course bro. You have to cross train to do good in MMA whether you are a wrestler, boxer, muay thai fighter, BJJ guy and what not. We can both agree to that.
Interesting fact is that when Randy gets someone in the mount he hits with an incredible 2000 pounds of force! I bet Toney hasnt been hit that hard B4!
Yeah - but you have to include that Houston Alexander punch was more like a hard straight compare to Rampage's hook.
Rampage's hook definitely generates more power than any straight.
@taekwon3000 just because grappling is boring to you doesnt mean it is boring to everyone
I'll look into it.
Whats the verdict?
To Poobank
well yea, technically they're correct when calculating force rather than pressure, but that's the wrong application.
This may seem like a stretch to you, but it's similar to saying that being pushed by a bulldozer is more deadly/painful/harmful/etc... than a bullet because a bulldozer is XYZ pounds more than the bullet (i dont know the weight of a bulldozer off the top of my head)
@therealJAYO It doesnt take a genius to figure out who has more PRESCISION accurracy, but that still doenst mean that there percentage of landing the hit ratio is drastically different. I agree with the single leg, considering boxers leave there leg way in front of them. I was surprised that Toney was waiting to counter punch Randy instead of trying to outbox him while he could.
lol the digital imprint of rampage punching was standing in a south paw position. weird?
imagine earnie shavers being tested.....
@taekwon3000 cont. take Siver into his strength which was on the ground, so Denis utilized his superior striking skills to drop him twice in the first round, and outpoint him the rest of the fight, bc even tho George was an amateur boxer, he wasnt as good a striker as Siver, but he had much better BJJ, but Siver utilized his TD defense to keep it where he is most comfortable and he tossed George around like a ragdoll.
Siver +Striking +Wrestling(TD defense)
George +Jiu Jitsu(on the ground)
@taekwon3000 being good at hand striking is important in MMA, but it is better to be a jack of all traids than to only excel at one thing, for instance, Denis Siver(kickboxer) vs George Sotouropolis(BJJ). Denis Siver's strength is in his kickboxing, and George's is the Jiu Jitsu, but Siver had Jiu Jitsu experience going into that fight, and George had boxing experience going into that fight, so they could hold their own against eachother, but the wrestling made a difference bc George couldnt
They had a boxer do something similar on another show. He did a straight right and it came out to about 1000 pounds. I agree though it's not a practical punch and I can't imagine someone getting caught with that unless they were practically out on their feet already, but their data seems right on to me.
thats bas rutten first clip howecome ive never seen teh episode?
@jagdjohn96 And what does this have anything to do with what we were originally discussing? LOL. Plus Knock outs from punches is most common in MMA than from knees or kicks. Fighters of all styles love to show their machismo by knowing they can knock someone out with a punch.
The problem with his demonstration by Rampgae is that in a real fight he be counter easily by a good striker because he lounges back with that punch to bring it in with as much power as he can.
He did not cock his right or left hook like that against Silva and Liddell. They were great punches though.
A person said that a little guy with strong abs would have more power than a big man without- I disagree, I have a strong punch and I've never done any ab exercises(or to be precise hardly ever).
Fact is, I've never felt sore abs because of boxing, only shoulders and simply tiring out.
@therealJAYO just to clarify that is pressure force, not psi. Chuck hits with 115 pounds per square inch. multiply that by the size of his fist and you got your pounds of force. If Kieth Jardine can take 1800 pounds of force than Randy can take 1300, hell Brock hits harder than Toney and it took 31 of those lunchboxes to the face to TKO Randy. BTW Randy's chin is tough enough to take a direct headkick from Gonzaga! But Brock has a great wrestling background that Toney doesn't Randy by 1st rd TKO
if I was going to stuff a takedown with a strike, I would much rather use a knee, as opposed to reaching down and trying to land an uppercut, less power, and more adjusting would be required
So which was eventually the hardest hit in all of sports in this show?
you quoted yourself 'A person said that a little guy with strong abs would have more power than a big man without' even though you disagree with this statement was made for a reason.
Put it this way, imagine a big guy with strong abs n a big buy with normal abs, whos going to hit harder? the difference will be as significant as having stronger shoulders as opposed to less developed ones if not more
@jagdjohn96 Look up Mercer vs Sylvia. That was Boxing vs MMA.
@jagdjohn96 Toney was wating to catch Couture coming in with a takedown. That is why Couture dove from miles away with a way low ankle pick. Very great game plan by Couture. Toney was expecting him to come wasit high with a double leg and catch him with a shot.
yes you can they are talking about force not pressure.
@taekwon3000 kicks and knees will do more damage than 1 punch, because they are being thrown by bigger muscles
Not wishing to start a fight, just my view on this.
@jagdjohn96 Btw, Rampage has not slam a guy in years. For him to slam Toney he have to get on close meaning he risked getting hit by a Toney punch. Also one can get knock out from bottom position.
Is it the strength of abs we're talking about here or the visibility of abs e.g a man with visible abs has a better punch or what? If by strong abs you mean visible abs, then no because Fedor punches harder than most people and he got a vodka belly. But if you mean the strength of the muscles regardless of fat covering the belly then I'd agree that someone with stronger muscles and limbs would hit harder.
ever heard of cable crunches?
Thats a one rep max test right there
@taekwon3000 I saw it, all it proves is that a big strike can knock sum1 out at any time, boxers only chance against an MMA fighter is punching and punching with a small window of time b4 the takedown, but when you have boxers like JDS come into mma with TD defense, then they can win, but they are no longer just boxers, they become MMA fighters and use the sprawl and brawl strategy
@therealJAYO Wandy was KOed by a Rampage punch and so was Chuck, thats for sure. BTW his accuracy won't matter if he hits Randy, a moving target, as he's shooting, or if hes on his back. I think randy should setup the takedown with a fake just to keep Toney from uppercutting at all. Ive seen Randy shoot b4 and his most effective takedowns are when they punch him as hes shooting. He called it a "give and a take".
I dont doubt it, I simply doubt a person with strong abs will have much more of a punch than one without.
@JUNIORxDOSxSANTOS He isn't 250, he recently stated that he is 230. A 45 pound weight
Trolled your asses out :D
to be honest, is Rampage really that small? Being a lightheavyweight he likely walks around at 220lb, not the weight of a small man.
@jagdjohn96 You serious? Lesnar was not hitting Couture with full power. He was tip tapping him with punches on the ground. Nothing like he hit Herring with. If Toney would had tagged Couture, Couture would had been out because his chin is done. Look at Couture vs Nog.
@taekwon3000 look up Gene Libbell vs boxer, this was in the 60's. Judo vs boxing
@jagdjohn96 You dont have to reach down if ur stance is more grounded. Plus with a knee ur legs have to be up front more. when u sprawl u have to push ur legs back. It is more risky with knees. I know cause I train. But to each their own. What ever works for u bro I aint knocking that.
rampage is a a funny guy lol
ay it's for tv
@taekwon3000 any punch can hurt sum1, but rarely do I see a fighter get knocked out with the first punch thrown. The only times ive seen it happen, were Marquart vs Maia and Sylvia vs Mercer, the only time Ive seen a fighter get dropped while shooting in for a double leg was Munoz vs Grove. and Munoz went on to win that fight by ground and pound. what makes you think im biased against boxing? It is out of the question that an MMA fighter will beat a pure boxer in an MMA fight, 90% of the time
"kind of like having a teenage hippo sit on your head.."
FUCK!
@taekwon3000 it takes a TON of timing to catch sum1 shooting for a takedown, not only that but, just because he lands that one punch, doesnt mean the MMA fighter is done. You boxing fans fail to realize that MMA fighters have to take much more than just punches to the face. A head kick or knee to the face of a decent Muay Thai fighter will do much more damage than a punch from a boxer.
@holypoop88 1800 Pounds of force and 1750 PSI is way different.
I dont know how accurrate those numbers are? 1800!? Whats even more impressive is that Hendo can take a hit from that compact car right on the chin! Avg. Boxer hits with 750. Thats Rampage's Punch though, "rolling hook". If MMA fighters can take that, than Randy should be able to take out Toney, no matter what he gets hit with! Randy hits with 500 pounds with his straight right, and 2000 pounds from the mount!
Bs- I've never done situps, I dont do any ab exercise at all and I am a hard puncher- mass is more important than core strength.
The trick is keeping it up, if you cant get oxegen to the muscles- larger guys tend to have this problem- then you cant put much force into it. Size and form matter- but strongs abbs dont mean s---.
@xaustinbnrx cut is dangerous
@taekwon3000 But Toney didnt even land a punch, Randy took him down and choked him b4 he could lol. I think I just won the arguement hands down.
After dropping Mir, Heath and randy i'd like to see Brocks punch power.
on the waist? didnt tot they could find a strap that would fit..
They should have used a boxer for the punch segment.
@jagdjohn96 Ive taken BJJ for 11 years. Once again why u assumed I am just a Boxing fan hating on MMA? Just because u hate Boxing does not mean I hate grappling or MT.
@therealJAYO look at the way rampage punches...if toney would punch like that he would punch 2000 ibs of pressure
@taekwon3000 Why does it matter, if anything can happen, then Randy couldve KOed Toney, but that was unlikely just like Toney stuffing a takedown was unlikely
@taekwon3000 JDS is an excellent MMA fighter, but he is not just a boxer, his TD defense is light years ahead of a pure boxer, and his grappling skill are undoubtably better. But he does win most of his fights by outboxing his opponnents, then sprawling when the other guy shoots for a takedown. Im not against punching, im against the whole boxing vs mma shit. Boxers alone are only good at boxing, MMA fighters can be good at everything
Chuck Norris could hit that hard when he was a baby. He laughs at Rampages punch.
@therealJAYO Ok Toney knows more tricks, but that doesnt mean Rampage is less accurrate, BTW Toney lost. Im surprised at Randy's punching power though. On his feet he is only 300 pounds of force shorter than Toney.
this is totally wrong. you can't compare a punch to a hippo sitting on somebody's head. The punch's force is concentrated in a smaller surface area while the hippo's force is spread out. both would surely suck though.
they're completely throwing their 1st year college general physics out the window
@taekwon3000 its not the guy doing the lay and praying's fault, bc the guy on the bottom doesnt know how to do jack shit from his gaurd, so the guy on top figures he gets an easy win against a bad fighter, without expending much effort
at 4:18, all the boys are looking up.
so to hit hard you use your lower body....wow that's not really news man. I mean flame me if you wish, but martial artists have known that for a long freaking time. Its also why samurai can swing their sword and have it land on you with the force of a falling mountain. Oh btw Rampage, just remember there is always someone bigger and stronger and faster than you. Just cause you haven't met them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Eat some humble pie, just a little bit please.
@jagdjohn96 Drastically different? Jackson laded 38 out of 80 punches against Machida. Toney is way more accurate than that. Toney's problem is that he is a flat footed fighter. His upperbody and head movement is very slick and as you come in he creates great timing and distance with measurement anc catches you. Rampage has good head movements and good accuracy too, but not like Toney. That is his craft.
Looked like the hit he had on wanderlei
abs are very important in a punch what are you on about
@taekwon3000 So what! Fighting is not just about KO power,(BTW alls rampage would have to due to KO toney, is slam him). Its about skill, which JT has none of anywhere besides punching.
ther is a punch machine in the pub that i got to... i got 847lb and came straight home to see wha rampage got... i was drunk... im gunna go tomoro sober and ima see if i can get at least 1000lb has to be done
I thought this was a punching test so why are they using mma fighters , put any professional heavyweight boxer who is known for being powerful in there if you want real results
tyson and foreman hit harder.
and what's funny is that jackson isn't even a boxing specialist
They should measure the mass of Rampage's gut.
@taekwon3000 Wrestling is much more exciting than baseball and golf, yet sum ppl still find baseball and golf exciting
any cridicts ask wanderlei silva
@taekwon3000 Again, Rampage can KO him with GnP or a slam, he doesnt need to box with James Toney in MMA. Boxing is a stupid form of fighting, since when has 2 guys really wanted to fight, but say "lets only use our hands". Sure James is a better boxer, Rampage will beat him at everything else though
lol.. nice :P owned him good
you doubt it? well i did it easy
lol poor chuck
rampage gets up to 230 pounds when hes walking around...id hardly call that a small thing moving fast... the guy is built like a tank.
@jagdjohn96 Toney had a way better chance of catching Couture coming in for a takedown with a punch than Couture KOing Toney in the stand up. Not like if has never happen. It has plenty of times in MMA fights. That is why Couture went for a low ankle pick. He is a smart man. At least way smarter than the idiots out there who shits on Boxing.
tai chi wins speed fist man lol when slow defense win offense true or not, then why people learn tai chi to fight noobs.
look up george foreman check out his record
i bet those sumos are just normal american citizens, they were eatin at mcdonalds at they asked them you guys want to be on tv...
@jagdjohn96 Why u keep disputing MMA with Boxing? U r making boxing to be very powerful by doing this. MMA beats any single style DUHHHH. Obviously. Boxing is a singles tyle like wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai n what not. boxing is more utilized by someone with takedown defense because they dont risk being taken down by throwing kicks. But why argue a invalid debate. We all know u need to cross train to be successful in MMA. But boxing is a very important component of MMA just as wrestling, MT n BJJ
this hardly seems a fair comparison
No i believe that's cause of steroids
is it true that sumo wrestlers need to hire someone to wipe their arse when they have a crap?
Rampage isn't that strong. He could just probably crush my head in one punch. Nothing new.
@jagdjohn96 You are ignorant when it comes to Boxing. Look at Toney's fight with Samuel Peters. Peters is a fucking beast. He hits way harder than Rampage and he caught Toney with some power shots and Toney still manage to not get KOed.
or even worse(or more funny), what if you're drunk and you're being attacked by a transformer/bulldozer-tron...
Not as fun as it sounds ?? Wtf are they talking about.. i get teenage hippos to sit on my head when im bored. It's actually quite interesting :)
It only gave me severe brain damage (don't worry its not as bad as it sounds) i can still walk and talk perfectly fine.. sure, i do it from a wheelchair but thats no big, I encourage everyone out their to try it :) !!
yeh watever .. hes got an ugly hook.. u have a broken face if that ugly hook hits u
@jagdjohn96 My point to mentioning those fights is that in MMA fighters have been hurt by a punch or punches while going for takedowns. Again wtf does a kick or knee to the head have anything to do with this? Nothing because that was not part of the discussion. You are very bias against Boxing it is sad. R u racist because Boxing has many Black n Latino fighters? Did ur mom leave u for a Boxer? did a boxer stole ur girl? Talk to me lil buddy. I am open ears lil buddy.
Wow this was really painful to watch... so cheesy and dumbed down.