What Type of Salsa Dancer Are You ? (MUST WATCH THIS)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2024
- In this video we are going to show you different styles of salsa dancing. We want to know what kind of salsa dancer are you?!
Comment down below in the comment sections after you watch this video!
The reason for the making of this video is because many of our new students have problems recognizing the different styles / types of salsa that we have nowadays.
We will help you to understand how musicians write their music and how this will help you to feel the music and match your steps and moves to the flow of the music!
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I am a mixed salsa dancer. I reserve the "on 1" on traditional salsa music and "on 2" on all of the mambo numbers (because of the Cuban rhythm focusing on the "clave").
You might tell them that the On2 timing originated in Cuba (they call it "contratiempo") and is the fundamental timing of all the Cuban dances from the Oriente (Santiago) region of Cuba: son, son montuno, mambo, cha cha cha, guajira, pachanga, guaracha, etc.) The son dates back to the 19th century. Another Cuban dance style is Casino, originating in La Habana in the second half of the 20th century, and it is usually danced On1 (the timing they call "tiempo"). The Cuban music called "timba" (derived from the "songo") is a mix of son, rock, jazz, and (now) funk, and is identified with the famous Cuban band Los Van Van of Juan Formell. Some believe that timba has to be danced in the Casino style, but that's not necessarily true, since many timbas can easily be danced New York, o Oriente, style On2. In my opinion, everyone should learn to dance salsa On2, since an On2 dancer can usually dance On1 as well with no problem. However someone who learns to dance On1 normally cannot switch to dancing On2, and are stuck dancing only with partners who also dance On1 (or On3). Any self-respecting salsa dancer should be able to dance On2, On1 or On3 with ease, which can only be achieved, I believe, if you start out by learning to dance On2. In my opinion.
Most certainly not true. Even if you start on 1, if you know the conga, cowbell, clave, or bass dancing on 2 should take little time to transfer. Muscle memory under duress is another thing, but in general if you understand any of the important instruments, or if you can count, you shouldn't have much trouble at all. Also, mambo and dchachachá (in that order) came out of DANZON from Matanzas, born from the Habanera. It was danced on the second beat _and comes from 15th century Contradanse from England and France). Son did not have clave at first and adopted the Yambú clave from Matanzas and Havana. The Mambo steps however were iriginally danced on the 1 and have little resemblance to son and later what NYC dancers called Mambo.
My observations show that your are right to some extent: original On2 dancers have less difficulties with learning On1 than vice versa. One of the reasons could be that On2 forces you to be more concious of the music.
BUT there's no problem to be originally On1 dancer and later to learn On2 if one has enough motivation. I became so obsessed with On2 after the first class (I had two years of On1 dancing at that moment), that it seemed really easy for me - not because it was actually easy, but because I liked it so much.
Many of On1 dancers in my city are just too lazy and afraid of difficulties to learn another style of the same dance, unfortunately. They lose a lot of fun )
True. I started and learned on2. Within a fee seconds I could switch to on1 and already do turns while the women dancing on1 could not do that and were very confused
№1 - on1 LA
№2 - on1 cuban style
№3 - on2 NY
№4 - on2 Palladium (RazzM'tazz)
ProAntismus makes sense. I done salsa la for nearly 2 years. Started doing cuban circular.
You explained that so very well. Thankyou. As a total beginner these details are so important. I've attended 3 classes & love it yet just getting by. I love dance & its been all about the feeling and music & movement yet no structure at all, no partners(in the past)in dancing, so all this Salsa is stirring & a bit challenging for a newbie(in later years). Many thanks. :)
Thank you Emilia! 😊
Endless thanks guys for sharing the vid. I'm very pleased & happy about the work you guys are doing on timing , but specially on MUSICALITY, which is an essential element lacking nowadays on Social Dancing- IOW we get to witness a whole display of eyeoppening turns, maneuvers, styling etc, all completely disconnected from the music!! More Timing & Musicality Vids PLEASE!!
Thank you for your comment. Yes we are going to add more videos about timing and musicality. Please subscribe or visit our page SalsaClassesOnline.com 😊
We had a great weekend where we were talking about musicality. We are agree that this is something super important
Wish all teachers would teach by counting q q s instead of numbers since the patterns are the same as far as which hand, what direction and so on and each dancer can then easily incorporate the turns into their own style
Maria, your intro explanation - what instrument prompts you or makes you break - was the best way I’ve heard of how people connect to the music. I’ve danced with a few latinas who “don’t count” and found that yes they keep time with the music and most cases they dance on the 1, but also found that most of them dance the circular or Cumbia style of salsa and are not always well versed in either the LA or NY linear style salsa. That’s why it’s good to know more than one style... so you can adapt to your partner or the geography of where you are dancing.
Your question shows that Maria makes a mistake asking you to count.
You better go to a live performance and copy what the musicians are doing with their feet
1st- LA/Home style on1, 2nd-Cuban style on1, 3rd-New York style on2, and 4th-Mambo style (ballroom) on2.
#1 = On1 timing (there was no LA styling, no city can claim On1 timing)/ #2 Casino Style Rueda (On1)/ #3 Salsa Night Club Style a la Eddie Torres (On2, syncopated version)/ #4 Mambo (On2, executed in reverse). Nicely executed timing changes!
This answer is correct.:) Some might say #4 is Puerto Rican On2, no?
Some might say that. However, elite mambo dancers (whether they understood or not) were dancing on2 (leaders left foot breaking forward as the first step, 234-678) since the 1940s and all throughout the Palladium era. Puertorican, Jewish, African American, Italian...regardless of their nationality, if they danced, they were dancing Mambo. There is no reason to label it as "puertorican" just because one does not know the history or because they decide to dance it backwards.
I finally get it because of you guys!!!! Thank you so much!!!❤❤❤❤
Katie Da Silva that’s so great to hear!!
Great explanation, thanks!
Great video thank you so much! Answered a lot of my questions about salsa and how to approach it as a beginner :) thank you
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching!
Perfect!
This aspect of timming takes relevance when you go out and dance with a stranger at some dance place. Some people will feel more natural on #1 than on #2, and even more, some can only dance one way. If you attempt to dance on #1 but your partner only is able to dance on #2, then it will be impossible. What I do is to watch people dance to find out how they do it. Then I ask to dance who I saw dancing on #2, since #2 is what feels natural to me.
Maria and Joel excellent job as always. 👍
Thank you
I clashed dancing with a Cuban yesterday. I’m puertorican.
What do you mean?
This is so precious..I've always only danced LA style on 1 and as a follower that is challenging when meeting a leader with a different style. But as I always danced on one my brain is trained like that so becoming able to switch to 2 without guidance is close to impossible.. I hope you make a practical video as well to explain the difference and how to switch.
I liked your forth temp style. I was thinking about taking this up, I want to learn the structure enjoyed your lesson. Thanks from London.
Thank you Caroline! 😊
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I really enjoyed your explanation. I learned on one and didn’t know why dancers in NY looke so different. I would like to learn to be better at both!
Thank you for watching. Good to hear that this video helped you!
If you want to learn the fundamentals of on2 and make the transition from on1 to on2, we highly recommend our Salsa Bootcamp Online. You can find it here SalsaClassesOnline.com/courses 😊
Joel
1st on1/LA 2nd cubano/rueda 3rd on2/NY 4th on2/ PR
Nice break down!
Guess what? I didn't see nor heard any difference.
I hope you guys do a video on the instruments name, look, and sounds!🙏
Great video !
What about at least in US in 1950s, some teachers taught break on 4, & some at least in US
in 1970s? 80s used break in 3!!
Ive been learning LA salsa for over a year now. Thinking about learning Cuba salsa. What is more fun? Cubs salsa or LA salsa?
Salsa is all emotion. Close your eyes and listen to the clave, you will feel that it is like breathing...it's always ...tension-.release -tension-release. The 2-3 clave or the 3-2 clave it's all tension-release.
One thing I’ve noticed for years where I live and in smaller cities is that the music at the main social dancing spot is unhelpful for salsa dancing. people see these moves, but forget or have no clue at all that these skills are being done, and are best done, to a certain type of music or salsa, and that not everything sang in spanish is salsa!
lol! that is true. everyone should continue to learn about dance and music including djs and instructors. there is so much more out there than commercial music. come to NY!! :)
I'm a LA style dancer with just a little experience in On2. I only go On2 in a social dancing with ladies that do know On2 and tell them I often lose the break when dancing On2. The end.
Hi! Please, any chance you'd list the styles you danced to at the end?? Every body here is mentioning something different...would appreciate a lot.. and thank you so much in advance🙏
Is there a certain type of salsa music that lends itself more to one break than the other? Are there songs that "feel" better danced on 2 rather than on 1, or vice versa?
gokblok from experience, old salsa songs specially from the 60's (when they were still called guaguanco) and the 70's are great to dance on2 and on1. Modern salsa, specially the romantic/slow one, where there's not much emphasis on the percussion section I find it easier to dance on1. Also s I've seen for beginners is way better that style of salsa to learn on1 than to learn on2. Fast salsa songs for many people are easier to dance on1 than on2.
"Feel" is totally subjective, but in general, music based off of a 3-2 clave feels "right" when danced with an On1 timing. Music based off the 2-3 clave feels AMAZING when dance to Mambo timing (234-678 On2). In order to express themselves, latin music composers (like Tito Puente, Eddie Palmieri, etc) would also change claves (sometimes multiple times) within the same song...so either you learn to switch timings, or you can dance Salsa On2 (which is basically a hybrid of both).
Tip: Whether there is a actual clave being played or not, you can tell which clave the composition is based on by listening to the bass (upright or guitar). Generally, If it accents the 1 beat, it's 3-2. If it accents the 4 beat, it's 2-3
I dance mambo.
Can you please tell me what style of salsa is a step laterally/behind rather than the back and forth movement?
Of you refer to what we learn at home with family, we just called home style 😊
At leat in our case.
What happens when the congas are not very audible or with very low volume in comparison with other instruments?.
As a follower, I think it's important to be flexible. Most casual dancers will dance on1, while classes and higher level dancers are typically on2. I'm having a hard time switching between the two however. Eg. If I have a couple classes on2 then go out social dancing on1 (or if I'm on the floor and some leaders want to dance on1 while others on2), I find it's really difficult to maintain step. Will this resolve in time? Should I be actively counting? How to deal with this?
If you're a follower, don't count. Feel where he is leading you. He leads you fwd, step fwd. He leads you back, step back.
When are you having a workshop for 3 or 4 hours?
Hello Ann, do you live in NY? We will have our musicality workshop in November. Also we have an online school - MySalsaOnline.com that has a musicality section as well as turn patterns, footwork, tips, technique. We also do LIVE webinars where you can ask questions! Please check our community out - MySalsaOnline.com
Please explain what you are calling the break?
In a few words the break step is the one you step either forward or back. As you notice when we do the basic are some steps that are in the middle but 2 of those steps are left forward and right back. Those 2 steps can hit on the first beat and you will be dancing on1 or hit on the second bit of the music and you will be dancing on2. Let me know if that make sense.
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Nice guapea.
Hi Joel, Hi Maria,
I have a question, i am very curious and interested since i am leaning how to dance Latin music.
I see a lot of videos of social dancers, like Terry, Adolfo, Mouze...etc (maybe i picked the stars:).
They look like they're dancing following the music and i cannot understand if they sometimes "fail" on the beat (On1 or On2). They dance something different from us "beginers"!? Thankx a lot and God bless you.
+Joel Salsa NYC Why do some refer to "EddieTorres" style as the "New York Style or Mambo Style"....Eddie Torres style doesn't hold the "8 and 1....or 4 and 5" as Mambo/Ballroom style.....the emphasis is on "2 and 6" in Eddie Torres style....a different part of the conga....I'm confused with the "terminology." 😀 Thanks for clarifying....😀 Maria
Eddie Torres style is called "New York Style" because
1)The home of the Mambo, which Eddie Torres brand is based off of, is NY
2)Eddie is from NY and his career as an instructor and performer was based in NY
3)All of the students he taught (and eventually became instructors) originally learned from him in NY
The original name (as it was branded by Eddie Torres in his instructional videos) was "Salsa Night Club Style". In the late 90s, the only place you ever saw "Salsa Night Club Style" was NY. Now, with the help of his students-turned-instructors and the proliferation of Salsa Congresses, it's EVERYWHERE. Thus, to call it "NY style" is slowly becoming non-sensical. A more accurate naming convention would be "Salsa On2"
Eddie started out dancing Mambo in the night clubs, and still can dance true Mambo timing at a high level, it's just not his brand. However, Salsa Night Club style is NOT Mambo. "Salsa" (during the mid 70s-90s) was predominantly danced with breaks On1. Eddie added mambo styling ( i.e. "night club style") to salsa by keeping the 123-567 COUNT (which is the SAME as "Salsa" On1), but moved the break step from 1 to 2 (taken from Mambo). Then (for reasons I have yet to discover) reversed the ladies and mens directions. However, all of the styling and technique is inspired by Mambo by his own admission. Hope that helps ;-)
yap yap
1: on 1, 2: NY on2, 3: casino basic, 4: PR on 2 (breaking forward).
Also, Maria as a follow, do you object to leads breaking forward on 2? I learned Son in Havana and my teacher taught me to break forward on 2 with left foot. As a consequence, I do that on 2 sometimes (depends on the song).
The best follows I've danced with don't seem to mind at all. The next level up from me however, tell me I'm on wrong count. Thoughts?
Style 1 = "On 1"; Style 2 = "On 1"; Style 3 - "On 2"; Style 4 = "On 2".
Marks out of four please?
I dance mambo on 2. Salsa is very confusing.
En el min 4.42 empiezan con el basico de salsa on 2
@mavargas solo que a veces empiezan con el izq atras y otras con el derecho adelante y eso me confunde, me refiero alm hombre
Me: The first 📝 okay, yes mhmm, got it
Me at 12:40: 🤯😰🤕
Whats the name of the song ?
El Mensajero-Tromboranga
This very difficult to follow when they don't dance while explaining. Not for me.
People in clubs are so lost they don’t even know how to dance? These nightclubs need to hire instructors to give a class before the party.
Your teaching is interesting. I can see that you know what you are talking about. It is just a pity that you are talking too much and do little.
LA style/home style/NY style/ LA again
???
Where is Salsa Calena?))
The lady talked through the entire video. She kept making the same point over and over again. What I was interested in was seeing you do the different styles. You showed them briefly and didn't take a break between the first two. It would have been easier to follow if you said what it was then did it and then said the next one and did that, etc. I'm a salsa dancer, but I was interested to watch you dance the different styles.
I cannot stand non-structured dancers who ridicule salsa dancers with structure. It's literally a head scratcher. I guarantee you when you start putting non-structured followers through advanced combinations, they won't be able to follow. Now obviously if you're a lead with his salt in salsa, you don't put a follower in deep waters if she's not capable, but non-structured dancers are NEVERRR advanced. That alone, becoming advanced, would be incentive enough for me to let go of my pride and embrace structure!
That was going so well until you moved to on 2
Where is the brake on 2? NY is on 1 technically. It is danced to the tiempo.
Please less talk, more practice!!!
I agree, but many people need to know about theory...
The first 5 minutes were a waste of time
¡¡Speak Spanish please!!
Interesting but way too much talking!!