@@lucylove4514 I am 98% sure that Jason Wilhelm was the murderer, not only because of his appearance and voice, but because of his background similar to the murderer who rapes and tortures, goes to jail, and from then on he no longer wants to leave witnesses. The portraits and his modus operandi confirm the suspicions of the detectives and that he was in the area at the time.
@@donnapiraino3323 true, but I heard the way he was walking was probably because the bridge had gaps and it wasn’t flat, but still, if I saw someone I know or a family member on video I feel I could recognize them, specially their clothes and their voice... there was a case in Chile where a young chick was I believe stabbed to death in the night and there was a video of a dude that was following her and since it was in the night his face wasn’t super clear, but I believe his sister and his father recognized him and the way he walks and turned him in... the killer’s name is “Ariel Lucas Azcona” I think there’s videos here on RUclips of this case, but my point is that it is possible to recognize a person without their face being super clear and detailed...
Not necessarily. Say for instance you watch a video tomorrow that looks vaguely like your husband committing a crime. Would you feel the need to report it? Especially if it was out of state and he had a alibi? No everyone is scared just because you are.
@@tanberetO Human psychology hsd far more dimensions that your example shows. There are many layers of process that lead people to deny their own truths, let alone that of another. People, no matter how aware, always store information in the recesses of emotion. Sometimes the stress of the information requires it to be buried deep to forget. Trauma in adulthood is not as easy to bury as childhood trauma, but when the adult trauma occurs in someone with history of of childhood that information is quickly denied consciousness, Human psychology is very complex.
@@alysencameron361 yes which is why abusive people and narcissists target those who were already abused, neglected, those who went through trauma as kids because they know that person is easier to gaslight, to make them doubt themselves and their own memories, and that person is more apt to find a way in their mind to be and stay in denial of truth or somehow excuse the inexcusable,
I think the problem is that he looks like so many in the population. Average age, average height, average weight, average clothes. It probably looks like 30% of the population of Carroll County.
Don't know why police want to hold off on familiar DNA testing, I am confident, if they have his DNA, it would nail him. It solved the April Tinsley case. I hope they don't wait 10 years to use it.
According to Anna’s recent YT interview they have “lots of DNA it’s figuring out what DNA doesn’t belong.” LE has made a mess of the little info they have released. I believe what Anna stated and it makes sense IMO. LE has never come close to saying they have an isolated DNA profile believed to be the killers. I agree with you on familiar DNA testing. I have no doubt CeCe Moore would offer her expertise if there was anything she could work with. I’m not saying ANYTHING negative about the victims loved ones but I think their only chance at finding out who killed the girl’s is if they PUBLICLY break rank with local law enforcement.
But what if he planted false DNA?? Like cigarette butts?? That is why they have two sketches. This is why he has been doing this for years and hasn’t been caught. He plants false DNA or makes some killings look like accidents
I witnessed 2 suspects minutes after they shot someone and I wasn’t able to identify them correctly. I thought they got into a completely different vehicle that they actually did. My husband was able to properly identify them and the vehicle and he was standing right next to me. Eye witnesses aren’t as helpful as people would hope.
I had the same experience when I was robbed at gun point. My co-worker swore that the guy who had me at gun point had dreadlocks, I don't remember seeing dreads or anything else like that. None of us remembered anything that the other did. Four suspects and none of us could identify anything about them. Thankfully the FBI had great forensic evidence that tied them directly to our store, but it still took four years and several more robberies before they were caught. I was very surprised at how normal the boogyman I created in my head, looked in court.
I agree but they have video evidence it's hard to believe no one has identified him grainy video or not they have his voice the way he walks someone knows this guy
@@ryanhadley6504 yes I’m aware and agree with you. I was responding to a direct comment about how witnesses aren’t very reliable because my husband and I didn’t “see” the same thing. Some people (ahem, ME) don’t pay close attention as much as we/I should. I would bet this guy doesn’t live in Delphi but is familiar with the area instead. I, also, think the police know who it is but they need solid evidence to be able to prosecute him effectively and they don’t have that yet. Or something like that. I wish they would utilize forensic genetic genealogy to pinpoint the person and obtain his DNA to prove it.
To the family/friend of the guy you just "can't believe" would do that.... GET OVER YOURSELF & TELL THE POLICE what you SUSPECT. If you don't, YOU are PROTECTING him & he WILL do it again. That makes YOU no better than that monster.
You should put the 2 part show on you tube for free if you really want to get the info out nationally. Should not have to have a paid service for cases such as this.
After looking over this case one thing is perfectly clear to me, someone that knew of the girls plans did it. If it was a stranger, what are the odds that they would meet up with them and have whatever weapon with them? Almost none.
It's not solved because random stranger murders are the hardest to solve and if not solved within a year then only 5 per cent get solved after that. If this was planned there would be more than one person involved and someone would have flipped by now Someone would gave been arrested for something and offered to give info to reduce their own charge. There is no honour between criminals.
I think someone knew their plans. He knew them but they didn’t know him. But without knowing all of the audio I’m not sure Libby was recording because he was following them and they were creeped out or they were just recording and got him by accident.
And what are the odds of him going there continuously and just so happens they two girls were the first ones he got no chance he knew them and knew they were going there and was prepared for what he was going to do
He was seen on the trail earlier in the day, one time by a female walking her dog which is where one of the 2 sketches came from... having the dog with her most likely saved her life. He most likely saw the 2 girls wander down the trail towards the bridge and once they completely crossed to the other side he made his move, being that the girls were essentially trapped at the end of the bridge cause that's where the trail ends. It's so scary and sad to think how horrified those girls must have been to see a grown man trekking towards them at the end of a dead end trail 😔😔
@@apray359 It was an online predator. They went there to meet him. Far from trapped, the private drive leads to the main road where Abby lived, a ten minute jog.
You’ve gotta remember that we don’t know for certain that the guy captured in the Snapchat was in fact the murder. He could have just been a guy out walking that the girls were put off by so they filmed him. While I’m sure most people think it’s unlikely, (including myself.) the guy photographed could be just some random dude. Like they said in this video, there were other people on the trails that day. I’m sure each person that’s come forward saying they were in the area has been investigated, but just like the man in the video, there could be another someone who hasn’t admitted they were out on the trails that could be the actual killer. The sketches vary drastically, you’re right. And this video explains why that may be the case, but it’s also a very real possibility that the second sketch is of an entirely different subject who potentially could be the actual killer.
@@lelliott1709 the person in the video IS the murderer are you kidding me????? WhyTF do you think Libby filmed HIM?????? Unbelievable. The police said early on that the person in the video IS the killer. The video kept recording and he said go down the hill and it still kept recording, do you not think that’s obvious????!!! I’m pretty sure it even recorded part or all of the murder. It would have kept recording until the battery ran out or someone stopped it. BG did not know he was being recorded so he didn’t stop it so if the battery was charged it caught the murder or at least part of it.
@@lc3993 the police know because they have heard the whole recording, if they heard another guys voice I think they would have said it was two people . They have only ever said one person did this
@@LB-lt3pz there’s no need to be hostile. I was unaware that Libby filmed until her phone died. I have watched interviews where the police say the video is longer than what was released, but nowhere near as long as the public may think.
I worked in group home of 12-16 yr olds and 99% of Staff will say " Hey guys". I feel its someone who is involved with school or youth group of some kind. Prayers for Justice🙏
This case and another unsolved case where there is a video of the killing and he/she is still out there is the Missy Bevers case!!! I want more than anything that these 2 cases get solved!!!! I'm wondering if the killers will ever be caught?!?! To much time has already pass with no answers!!
Yes! Especially with both having that gape. Hard part with Missys case is the person was in an oversized costume but it’s scary knowing people are walking among us that are capable of such sickness
@@mountainguy7778 LE aren't idiots. FBI are involved. They've looked at this every which way. The last PC in 2019, for example, wasn't mean for the public in my view.
I feel the same. Maybe he "came home" for a visit with parent(s). Since it was Valentines day he was probably single and the people he associated with all had plans that he got sick of hearing about or seeing on facebook. Jealousy and loneliness possibly ate him up, and he took it out on Libby and Abbie. I don't think this was his first time, just his first time so close to his childhood home. He took a huge risk by doing that, but he got comfortable with committing the crime itself for relief, so he went for it.
I really wish justice would be served for these two girls!!!!! And I absolutely despise when people just say things that are not true and make assumptions, that just mixes the story and makes it even more difficult to solve!!!! Praying for justice
I was on a RUclips live chat last week and a girl in South Carolina kept dropping clues. She said he was in South Carolina, he was in his 40’s, his wife was from the Delphi area, he has a connection to Wilcox furniture in South Carolina and he makes knives. I’ve sent the tip to the Delphi police with screenshots of her conversation. This girl acted as if she knows him.
This case breaks my heart. Cannot believe with that much evidence, and the sophistication of forensics, why he hasn’t been arrested yet! RIP Abby & Libby.🙏🏻🥰 Please keep this case alive until it is solved.
local elected officials and police like Shane Evans and Tobe Leazerby are why it's not solved.. they didn't want fbi snooping around and figuring out they're all paid off by meth cooks pedos etc that's a fact
I hope justice is served 🙏 i live in Indiana in the city and this has even touched us. God bless the family's involved and the two young girls that lost their lives. This is just so tragic still 4 years later.
No they should not release everything that could harm the prosecution. The Sheriff stated” Law Enforcement would know what it is when they see it” when they talk about the piece they need
You need an arrest before there's a prosecution and it's been 4 years. Seems like a death bed confession 40 years from now is the missing piece they're waiting on.
Do you think it's possible that if the cause of death was/is particularly graphic/cruel (of course it was horrible as any murder is), but perhaps the person that has suspicions of their husband/son/brother etc. did this, actually hears the horrible way the girls were killed that it might be enough to tip them over the edge of coming forth and telling LE what they know....the FACT that "Bill" or "George" could actually do something as henious could force their conscience to tip them in???? Just a thought...I don't know if it would help or not
@@carolcarol3938 Of course, knowing the cause of death would be greatly helpful to anyone with the ability to solve a murder, the reason that Gray Hughes doesn't get it. The cause of death is quite clear, he shot them in the back when they decided to run.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 I'm not sure about a shooting, as surely someone would have heard something (even with a silencer a gun still makes noise)....and people from an area like that usually be familiar with the sounds of gun shots.
@@carolcarol3938 The nearest person was Cheyanne who was near the trail head. Small caliber, no shell casings, little noise. If you used a gun to get them to cross the creek, why then use another weapon? If you ordered them at gunpoint to disrobe and they ran in opposite directions, what would you do?
I agree with you Gray. But I have to say that when watching one of the Delphi authorities interviews days ago he mentioned the 3 or 4 possible signatures and then towards end of interview he stated that he was leaning towards releasing a little bit about the signatures to see if any of the items used ( used a different word than items but meant same thing) brought meaning to anyone. It's the first time I've heard the signatures referenced with items. So I guess there is always the possibility. I think it can be done without saying to much in detail. Anyway. love love your show. Nobody can trigger a crowd with facts like you. Blessings to you and yours..😁
Yes or perhaps the only person in this person's life that knows him well is not really paying attention to media regularly. They could be elderly or just anti-social. A lot of isolated folks in that area. If someone does know, I hope they find the courage to come forward for the sake of those girls and any potential victims.
I wouldn't care if that person was related to me or not ! This is a horrific murder is 2 innocent girls ! Relative or not, he's a sick person who I wouldn't want anything to do with him anyway
Thanks for posting and staying on top of this case....lm on the other side of the world and l am still hoping and praying for Justice for Abby and Libby 💜🍀.... please solve this horrible case!!
It’s somebody that possibly knows Ron Logan. Someone who was off work that day. Or was on break in that time frame. They should be able to narrow it down. It’s insane it’s not solved
The bridge guy walks just like Ron Logan , Logan was also seen on the news giving an interview wearing the same hat as bridge guy before the video became public , hmmmm?
@@ryanhadley6504 Logan told an interviewer that he was at a fish store buying fish when the girls were murdered. Wouldn't that be very easy to confirm?
@@deborahmazza8123 it was confirmed and because he drove to the fish place, they put him in jail for violating probation. He was 1 month away from being done with probation. So it wasn't him.
If I remember correctly Mr Riley said that new information about a person had lead them to say the second sketch was the killer. I believe they know who but have to be able to present it in court to get a conviction. Sheriff L reminded us that they have 1 shot at court because of double jeopardy.
The second sketch was actually made within days of murders from a couple of witnesses at park. First sketch was made by FBI from video and people from park. They always had both.
Also there are wood trails remember as kids we could find trails in the woods. So he could have cut across the woods people always sneak around in woods.
Wondering if anyone thinks this is related to the evensdale murders. Same situation, 2 girls, abducted and found on the trails near a bridge, the kicker is the dates are revered. Delphi: 2/13/17 - Evensdale: 7/13/12. If you read them backwards they are the same but reversed. Seems a lil strange to me.
@@NoUseForAName0626 If I recall correctly LE said as of right now we can not find any connection but I do not believe they ruled out that they are not connected. I mean they couldn’t possibly rule it out since they haven’t caught the killer connected to both crimes.
Has anyone considered that the girls were meeting someone from school or that they had met someone else? A teen with a crush may agree to meet out there and would probably take a friend with her. My main concern is why the cops won't release the whole recording, or more of it. It's not like they are doing any good so why not ask the public?
You're almost correct, it was a guy that Libby was chatting with. If there was video or audio that could help it would've already been released. There is no talk of a creepy guy by the girls, that's just a myth made up by Gray Hughes to bolster his foolish hypothesis.
@@charlotteshifflett3550 where can I find information about this story? I’m just now learning about this, or either it’s been so long ago I’ve forgotten about it. It’s possible because I’ve had a bad head injury. Please tell me how I can find recording of what your talking about-??
Now we know one of them was messaging and planned to meet what they thought was a hot guy but turned out to be Kegan Kline on his Anthony_Shotts profile.
I'm wondering which town official the perp is linked to? Too much has been stressed that a fall from stature or grace in the community will happen, when discovered.
In the UK we had a double murder of two ten year old girls that walked through their village in 2002. The murderer ended up being the school janitor - he'd never killed before but had a rap sheet from other police jurisdictions for underage rape and assault.
You know what really bothers me the most about this "4 yr. unsolved" case? Is knowing that if this was the President's Daughter we would have had that guy within a week. We'd know where he came from, who his 3rd grade Teacher was and what he had for lunch that day. I wish that all cases that involve children were treated as if they each/all were the Presidents Daughter.
Well we do know one thing, if the president's son is accused of having a laptop full of criminal leaning and if not full on criminal behavior he wouldn't be investigated with any haste
I was driving through Indiana and made a pitstop to see that bridge. It is about 70 ft or more up in the air, with BIG gaps in between the slats and posts. Terrifying for someone who is unfamiliar with that bridge/area. For a man to walk across it at a good pace WITH HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS indicates to me he has crossed that bridge many times before in preparation for this crime. And then he (and the girls) likely had to go down a very steep hill as well. He planned this and corralled those two poor girls.
I don’t disagree with you and shared the same opinion about if he’s walking with his hands in his pockets with the bridge in that shape, then he’s been on it before. But, Abby’s hands are in her pockets too when filmed by Libby. And that was Abby’s first time on the bridge
That was his 3rd crossing that day. They were far from being corralled. That was the safest place to wait for the guy that Libby had been chatting with. The private drive leads to the main road where Abby lived, a ten minute jog.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 where are you getting this information of an online predator meet up. I will admit it's plausible but these girls seem too smart to meet in a secluded area like that.
@@tylerm7300 I figured that out just base on the public info, but then a shirttail relative told the whole story. Consider this, if you were a girl, where would you wait, if it was a boy that you knew and liked, at the the trail head, so you could walk together. Think about all of the combinations that it could be, for example, if it was a girl who you were battling over a boy. They waited there, because it was the safest place. They had plenty of time to gauge the guy as he slowly made his way across the bridge, if he turned out to be the hobo in sketch #1 carrying a bloody axe, they could run down the hill onto the private drive which leads to the main road where Abby lived, a ten minute jog. Got anymore questions?
They know the day that this happened, has anyone looked at any security cameras on the businesses in that community that this guy might have visited that day or even earlier prior to the killings? If he is a local as suggested, then he most likely has worn that outfit and visited the community stores prior to this tragic day. If he owns a vehicle, he most likely would have stopped to get gas if he drove there? If he didn't then he could be local and walked?
Hopefully police pulled all camera footage from all places they could but many times we learn they don’t do half of the things they should. OUR TOWNS NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND STOP DEPENDING ON POLICE TO DO EVERYTHING. I WISH THE WHOLE COUNTY WOULD COME TOGETHER WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS. I wish all homes & businesses would have kept footage of this day and then once they got this photo of him everyone could go watch their footage and I’m sure they would find him. Idk where this happened but what about cameras on the red lights? All cities have those.. I would think they could figure out what he was driving somehow. Would someone please post the state this happened in? Date??
@@teresahickey3021 it happened in small town, 2 girls missing, Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017, they both were found dead February 14, 2017. Police aren't releasing how their bodies looked when they were found. Police and fbi are still collecting tips and there is still a reward for a linking tip. Kegan Kline is in jail for catfishing the girls and child porn, using Anthony shots photos as bait, but he is not a suspect in the deaths. Keep watching. Hope this helps.
Excellent video. Great questions from viewers and great analysis from the panel. I'm praying for that the killer will be identified and that these families can experience some sense of peace at some point. My heart goes out to these two families.
The podcast was great,I listened to the whole thing,but even after all this,the tips,podcasts, etc.,we're still going in circles with no suspect or anything... it's been 4 years... God bless the innocent victims and their families and friends...
I just don’t understand this. I think they have interviewed him but he may have an ‘alibi’ but the person who has supported the alibi is either lying or has the dates mixed up.
I am a PhD in English, retired professor and expert witness in contract disputes, born in Kokomo and a graduate of Ball State University, and I believe BG is a Hoosier. I am an expert in English language and literature.
The girls could not have escaped by running back across that bridge and the killer knew that. He had them trapped at the end. The bridge is difficult to traverse at a slow walk.
Very good. And he most certainly did not walk in and out of the area on the main trails. Perhaps this BG guy parked in the back of the cemetery and walked over to the north side of the bridge.....watched and waited.
I wonder if one of the reasons for keeping the details of the murders out of the press is not to further push away the person who knows the man who did this. If they are already scared or in denial, the details may isolate them further. Maybe it’s just too much more to accept? Someone has an idea who this man is. Someone has an instinct or a gut feeling. Please come forward. It’s never too late
I get big time BTK vibes from this guy. The way he says “guys, down the hill” makes me think he has kids or works with kids. It’s probably why he isn’t caught yet, he blends in with polite society so well.
True Crime Investigates Anthony Greeno has straight from To be Leazenby, thatbtheae sound bites are from different sentences and weren't in that order. So, "down the hill" is a sentence or part of a sentence spoken prior to saying "Guys" as part of a sentence
I agree! This man doesn't have a conscience so that 2019 press conference appealing to his guilt was useless. He probably went home to his family or hung out with friends after like nothing happened. He killed two girls in broad daylight and despite the risks of being caught he went through with it. He is a psychopath.
Sometimes when we're really frightened our body just shuts down. It's like those awful nightmares where you try to scream but nothing comes out. Police etc actually have to train for this so they can overcome their natural instincts. If you're not use to having a gun pointed at you, you might go into shock the first time. Libby might've told this guy off. She might not have been able to scream but she may have angered him severely. She was hurt more than than Abby and left naked.
@@Goldenretriever-k8m um, it was something I was just listening to, it said that Libby was naked and nearly decapitated and that Abby was stabbed in the heart. Libby was staged but Abby wasn't. I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.
What is your statement implying. I have huge wooded areas behind me. I know I wouldn’t hear. Wouldn’t be looking to hear something like this in my quiet, quaint town.
Very true and it's only about an hour from the Indianapolis metro area which is home to about 2 million people, that makes it harder to narrow down and find this guy
"PLEASE READ HLN" Somebody needs to ask the older sister if she can recall any vehicles parked when she dropped the girls off. Also, see if the father remembers any vehicles there when he arrived to pick them up. You can also check to see if there is any houses in walking distance of the trail. If you look at the video or picture of the man you can see that he was prepared for a walk. The thin blue wind breaker over a heavy coat looks like he is local and prepared for a walk in the wind. He has walked these tracks many times, because if you look at the video he has his hands in his pockets walking without hesitation. Think about it, this guy knows this place. I have studied the video and picture, if you look at his right side under the blue wind breaker you can see the outline of a gun shifting as he walks. The impression shifts with the sunlight as he walks. The barrel of the gun is positioned and facing towards his right arm leaving the handle towards the zipper, telling me that the man is left handed. If you look at the boots you will see that they are soft patten leather work boots, not hiking boots. They look like Walmart brand brahma boots. From the top arch of the boot to the toes looks to be 6 to 7 inches giving him either a size 11 or 12 in shoe size, making him between 5ft 11 inches to 6ft 1 inch between 185lbs to 215lbs. His blue Jean's has been washed many times leaving the material thin on top of the legs, leaving me to believe these are his favorite Jean's, meaning he would wash blood from them so that he can keep them. The tone and authority of his voice leads me to believe that he is between 35 to 45 years of age. I also believe that he is a relative of an official with some sort of power in the community. He is either laying low or someone sent him away. Everyone needs to see who disappeared around the same time four years ago.
Not every element of a case is a holdback: Person that found the girls has shared his texts and stated: Libby had her neck sliced and almost totally severed from her body and she had clothes removed, covered in leaves and branches, and Abby had her neck sliced also, although not as extreme and she was dressed; both girls posed like “dolls”... He described very little blood at scene... A woman walking her dogs described the younger subject... Another lady saw the same younger guy, he gave her the creeps, and told her husband about him that night... It could have been another man waiting on the end they were heading; human hunting is a sport of the wealthy; satanic/illuminate ritual abuse: so many Satanic Synagogues and Mason Temples in Indiana... Would question any symbols on the body or crime scene(s) related to sacrifice and blood draining for adrenochrome... Many people do not know the psychopaths in their families... As a former psychiatric forensic nurse that sat in on criminal court reviews for mental competency, with the forensic psychiatrist... I found most intelligent murders (organized); are smooth talking master manipulators, who spend their days playing cat and mouse con games... Family and friends might have no idea... Interactive Maps on web allow remote viewing of trails, bridges, water, and wooded areas... Person probably knew school was out; and parents were working; good day to hunt teens unfortunately... Police should never have called off search; most children are murdered within hours of capture; search and rescue dogs should have been brought in right away... Just like the LISK killer on Long Island; police, and related agencies, should be investigated; due to not releasing much info or attempting to fully explore DNA analysis, etc... Lots of cover ups, and blackmailing, happen in situations of organizations acceptable; of human sacrifice and child trafficking... Children are worth more than drugs in this modern world... Thank you for this report...
Wow, sounds like a tarot card reading I heard and believe! It all makes sense! Libby was the target and motive (she was unclothed) whereas Abby was just at the wrong place/wrong time (still clothed). The tarot reader said a blunt object was used initially but then a knife was involved. Also, a jealous woman was behind this (this was a couple). Someone mentioned seeing a man & woman walking near there around the same time. I wonder if they were interrogated. Maybe they felt because they were a couple, no one would suspect them.
So if this is true how would there be no blood at the scene??????!!!!! Did you know when your neck is cut and your head is nearly off your whole body bleeds out???!!! There would be tons of blood, they were strangled and hit in the head first to stun them
Has anyone considered the fact that the suspect could be a truck driver who is comfortable with the area and knows it well but doesn't actually *live* in the area? which could be why they're having a hard time finding him..
Made his approach? well you say he was already on the second side so he would have approached them twice. The NW side makes much more sense. He knew the traffic and could keep checking behind him and call it off if anyone showed up.
Yes, I think he just posted himself at the beginning of the trail and waited till he saw a viable victim get on the bridge, with no one ahead of them. My gut says he would have preferred a single victim, but as the day wore on, and the girls were the only ones who crossed who seemed "takeable", so to speak, he decided to pounce and followed them. I don't think he expected he'd have much of a challenge if he had a gun, however they probably turned out to be more of a challenge than he expected. He probably figured he'd take his chances with two victims because time was ticking away as the afternoon wore on and he needed to satisfy his urge before he lost all opportunities that day. This case is haunting and heartbreaking.
Delphi murders 2-13-17 The 2 cousins in Iowa 7-13-12 Exact date backwards. Maybe just a strange coincidence, but if the dates are a link I'd be on the look out come 3-17-21.
I love You guys for this! I'm slowly becoming obsessed with this case? So many twists and turns. We must seek Justice for these sweet girls because they cannot. We must all be their voices, eyes and ears. God Bless You all ,everyone reading this and The Victims and their families! Now LETS CATCH THIS POS!
The area is near a meat packing plant and grain silos with lots of trucks coming , staying and going. When I looked it up, the reviews say that it takes them many hours to load up which means that the trucker has nothing to do for those hours.The guy looked like a truck driver.
FYI There are three types of cell provider "pings." 1. A scheduled ping that is done at regular intervals in a 24hr period to keep a customer connected to the best available network. 2. A forced ping at the request of a cell phone customer. 3. A usage ping when a phone wakes up because someone tries to text, call or access the web. GPS "triangulation" is a whole other type of geo locating tool and is generally done by US Airforce at the request of LE.
Meatpacking plant 2 miles away must be considered as a major clue. So many serial killers, and mob related hit men dealt in the dismemberment of bodies, often having worked at some time in butcher shops even. One may have worked at the plant and walked in the bridge area at lunch or after work.
I could be wrong but I think the girls were targeted. He/ they knew they would be there. BG looks like he has a limp not just watching his steps like le said. Just speculating.
They weren't, they didn't even plan on going there that day until like maybe 2hrs before they were dropped off and that guy was already there at the trail, seen by a woman who was walking her dog(which is where one of the 2 sketches came from) they unfortunately were probably the only ones who crossed the bridge fully during that time and were basically sitting ducks, as the trail ends at the end of bridge where Libby started recording as the man was hauling ass towards them
@@Main969 I think the video has been slowed down. I bet he rushed them pretty fast. And I get the idea someone else was behind them so she pocketed the camera.
That is true, sadly the police involved in many of these cases do not want to share info even with other departments because of ego, etc. That's the real problem it doesn't matter who gets credit for the arrest of this monster only matters that he is caught. They need to work together, even with the old case of the zodiac killer in California, some police depts. won't release what they know to other police depts. That's wrong and needs to change.
I don’t think he’s watching. Seems like it wasn’t premeditated and something happened that ticked him off prior to even him coming up on the bridge. Was he passing over the bridge to get to the other side to go to the store and he was triggered by something. Did he have issues with people being on “his” bridge? He knows the area when he says “down the hill”. Was he already down that hill previously? Did he walk them a half mile to ensure there wasn’t any possible view? What is the other way out of there once you crossed the bridge? It looks pretty thick with brush and such. He sounded calm but almost as if he is slightly annoyed and at that point already had it in his mind that he was going to murder the girls. It hurts to say that and if any of the family reads this, I mean no disrespect and sincerely apologize if I sound disingenuous. I couldn’t begin to imagine their pain and loss and anger... 🙏🏻
I wonder ... could the trigger have been that he saw the girl recording him and threatened her to stop, she did not and finding themselves cornered and endangered as he grew closer and closer, she threw the phone rather than give it to him and leave no clue about what happened to them and this was the trigger. Because there is no way any murderer would leave the victim with their phone esp. once he knew that they were recording him. After the fact, the police were able to find the phone and get the info. IF BG was actually the killer ... leaving room for doubt.
@@persephonespomegranate Most people in that area are farmers and dress like him, my point was that his place of origin can possibly be narrowed down by the amount of clothing that he's wearing. He's dressed heavier than the girls, so he likely came from a little further north. As far as signatures, this was his first murder and likely his last. He took no souvenirs or left any signatures as a calling card. The officer who said that probably meant MO not signature. Libby had been chatting with the guy since around Christmas. He claimed to be 19. Twice she asked a neighbor boy to go with her to meet the guy, once around Christmas, the second time the night before the murders, he declined and warned her about such activities. The fellow befriended them, then at the waters edge when they weren't going to willingly cross he pulled a gun, then on the other side when he ordered them to disrobe they ran in opposite directions, so he shot them in the back.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 well, you asked me to “definite signature” and I mistook that for an honest invitation to discuss the criminal mindset but I see now that you already had your mind made up and just wanted to prove a point. I’m going to delete my conversation because it was a general discussion about FBI techniques and not a statement of fact about anything related to Delphi - as I stated above, it’s all pure speculation at this point. I really hope LE does indeed have much more info than they are letting us in on. If you have legitimate sources for any of the above, then fantastic! Case pretty much solved. I trust you will liaise with LE. Otherwise, I don’t want to contribute to speculation being misconstrued as fact in the RUclips rumour mill so I will delete the convo about signatures. I have experienced a violent murder in my immediate family and although there’s nothing worse than it happening to your child, I have some idea from my own pain as a sister and watching what my poor parents have had to endure. It never leaves you and gossip hurts. So I will peace out and wish you good day. ✌🏻
@@persephonespomegranate Sorry if you are offended. I wasn't trying to make any point, just curious if you knew what signatures meant. I too have had a fascination with serial killers, mainly profiling them. A friend was murdered in 1977 and over the years already having a natural interest in murders I researched everything that I could in hopes of solving the case which led to actually doing so. As we chat a family is reading the book that I wrote learning about their sisters demise. Two books so far. I like the hard cold cases, Lindbergh kidnapping, JFK assassination. In fact by researching the latter I became quite good at interpreting photographic evidence, the main reason for my interest in the Delphi case. I'm not speculating, I know what I've said to be true. Yes, I've contacted LE and I can tell by the chatter that they are interested in someone local. A couple of episodes ago Greeno divulged that LE confiscated his phone. Again I apologize if I have upset you. Good day.
Someone on RUclips took a video camera and filmed all around that area where the two children were, and died. Prior to that, I'd only seen images of the bridge but this video revealed what a barren, scary place the area is, particularly in winter. The bridge itself looks so scary to walk on. I am surprised any parents or family member would allow two young children to go out there on their own. If it weren't for fears of abduction and murder, then falling off the bridge is likely. I'm shocked the two girls were allowed out there.
Never heard about the father/son theory until now. Iv always thought one offender and father, son killers are extremely rare but absolutely nothing would surprise me in this case. Nothing!
That video looks to be a man in his late 30's or early 40's. No young guy would be dressed in a navy blue bomber jacket and dad Jean's. He also appears to walk with a slight limp. It appears he is wearing a cap. I agree with the guy who stated "the voice sounds more like an oler man"
I believe its Barry morphew he lived in Delphi fits all description he lives in COLORADO where his wifes missing hes under suspicion of having something to do with Suzanne's disappearance
it appears that he greets them with the word ¨guys¨ so i wd think he knows them in a general sense like he works at the local school as janitor etc? so he wd call all the kids ¨guys¨...hmmm
Do you really think a rickety old bridge would prevent the likes of Richard Ramirez or JWGacy? Didn't Ted Bundy and a few other serial killers have higher than average IQ's and be able to quickly scope out an area and memorize/familiarize himself with it? I'm with the blond lady, they need to consider that he could be from anywhere. A drifter who is used to all different types of terrain etc.
Seemingly the rest of the audio is so traumatic they cant out of respect for the girls families. I totally agree tho any extra evidence that wont jeopardise the case has to be released I.e cause of death , murder weapon and any extra audio from BG. Block out the girls if needed.
I want to thank you for this conversation. It keeps us aware. Whether this was random, a stalker, or serial killer, he is very familiar with the area, the bridge. Personally, I think he randomly chose the young girls, he stalked their movements, and he's a serial killer. He's very fast, very organized, he's done this before, he knows how to keep from getting caught.
Yep it’s a serial killer , also serial killers usually just leave a body and don’t bury it with more than sticks and leaves it’s too much effort to hide the body plus they know they will be long gone when it’s found. If you look at pictures of the crime scene it’s identical to Lyric and Elizabeth‘s crime scene. Identical!!
@@firelitexox yes identical! I just kept searching for each crime scene and eventually found pictures of both if I find one again I’ll post where I found it
Why not bring in a few detectives from far away from Delphi, say Chicago or NYC, LA County Sheriff's Department, or Denver to work on this case, reputable self-starters and brilliant people with access to all evidence and materials?
Look very carefully at that Snapchat photo shifts Abby out of the picture you will see a white construction van by the support parked that was meant for the abduction didn't work out they ran and they got caught up with but they have all this please study that picture very carefully it's not the best but it's taken from far away by Libby and a picture she was taking of Abby she caught the van in the picture barely God bless all of you that's the big key
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the killer was someone posing as a “Internet detective” trying to help solve this case. They might live in the area or close by and say they got interested in true crime because of this case. They might cover other cases from time to time. But they always come back to Delphi.....
Delphi? Where is this at? State? What was the date it happened? Either this is my first time hearing about this or it’s been so long ago I’ve forgotten? I have had a bad memory since car wreck so I’m sorry for asking but I’m trying to learn more about this case. I can’t seem to find out anything about it though WHY IS IT THAT THIS STORY ISNT EVERYWHERE THIS STATE/ county & city should be reposting this story non stop. Someone somewhere knows this man. It’s just gonna take more work reposting this story.
They can't give out cause of death. Its secret information that is absolutely key to investigators if they haul in a suspect. Hoping he'll trip himself up and tell them the cause.
Not true, they can release COD, they keep things close to the best to vet suspects. They have multiple signatures they are keeping hidden as well. They are trying to protect the family and girls. Meanwhile a monster hunts their neighborhoods.
Someone asked on another video made by a psychologist if he thought there might be any connection to the Evansdale, Iowa murders of Elizabeth and Lyric.... Wish I had been able to submit this question to this panel when they were live
No one can think quickly or clearly when your life is at stake! And they're only 14 years old! I'd be freaking out as a young girl! They were in so much danger they had no idea what was going to happen to them at this point! They had no idea what was going on what is going to happen I wouldn't know they didn't know and I'm just like chilled to the bone! My hair is standing up on my skin right now because I am living a horrible sadness for these ladies it's so horribly sad I can't come to grips with this it's just so horribly sad! So you know what no one has words I don't have words for what these little girls had to go through no it's horribly sad and I love them unconditionally and I feel so heart breaking sad for them and their parents and their grandparents and their family and their friends and the whole community this is just very sad they've lost these precious little pearls the precious Pearls of Life they've lost in that community because they were such beautiful little treasure chests yes. I'm just saying I'm so consumed in this because I love these girls! I really love these girls and it's so it's so! I can't wait for the day that we get the Killer because he's not going to want to look me in the eyes
I disagree with releasing the cause of death. Let’s say they were shot or a knife was used. How would that lead to information of the Suspect. I feel a Criminal Profilers information would definitely lead more leads or information on the Suspect
Best to not release that so they could weed out anyone who wanted their 15 minutes of infamy or who decided to troll the police. I think they said there was something unusual about how they were posed after being killed but that's also not being released for the same reason.
Thank you HLN for keeping Abby and Libby’s story out front they mattered all children matter.
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Yes they do! I agree totally! We need more protection for our children they cant protect themselves if dont then they are doomed!
What about Jason Wilhelm?
Ditto!!!
@@lucylove4514 I am 98% sure that Jason Wilhelm was the murderer, not only because of his appearance and voice, but because of his background similar to the murderer who rapes and tortures, goes to jail, and from then on he no longer wants to leave witnesses. The portraits and his modus operandi confirm the suspicions of the detectives and that he was in the area at the time.
You cant tell me that if that man was someone's relative they wouldn't recognize him from that image.
Sloan Bella did an excellent reading on this case.
Exactly, or the clothes he was wearing and even the way he walks
@@eheheh3263 So true thats a very specific walk
@@donnapiraino3323 true, but I heard the way he was walking was probably because the bridge had gaps and it wasn’t flat, but still, if I saw someone I know or a family member on video I feel I could recognize them, specially their clothes and their voice... there was a case in Chile where a young chick was I believe stabbed to death in the night and there was a video of a dude that was following her and since it was in the night his face wasn’t super clear, but I believe his sister and his father recognized him and the way he walks and turned him in... the killer’s name is “Ariel Lucas Azcona” I think there’s videos here on RUclips of this case, but my point is that it is possible to recognize a person without their face being super clear and detailed...
@@eheheh3263 Just the way he carries his walk...
I'm hoping you post the documentary on RUclips---not everyone has access. Libby and Abby deserve JUSTICE.
Yes I agree. Thx you for posting on RUclips :). Karma is coming
I 3rd that!
Yes post it on RUclips
That would be awesome for them to do, even if it’s after it’s been aired a few times on the paid network.
@@guitarista67 What's the worst that could happen?
Fear causes silence. Whoever is related to this perpetrator is afraid to know the truth in their own minds.
I agree to that.
Not necessarily. Say for instance you watch a video tomorrow that looks vaguely like your husband committing a crime. Would you feel the need to report it? Especially if it was out of state and he had a alibi? No everyone is scared just because you are.
@@tanberetO Human psychology hsd far more dimensions that your example shows. There are many layers of process that lead people to deny their own truths, let alone that of another. People, no matter how aware, always store information in the recesses of emotion. Sometimes the stress of the information requires it to be buried deep to forget. Trauma in adulthood is not as easy to bury as childhood trauma, but when the adult trauma occurs in someone with history of of childhood that information is quickly denied consciousness, Human psychology is very complex.
@@alysencameron361 yes which is why abusive people and narcissists target those who were already abused, neglected, those who went through trauma as kids because they know that person is easier to gaslight, to make them doubt themselves and their own memories, and that person is more apt to find a way in their mind to be and stay in denial of truth or somehow excuse the inexcusable,
It is hard to believe not one person recognizes this Bridge man..thats nuts.
No doubt. He is walking because he lives close by. Id say within a mile.
@@rl4889 he's walking because he parked his car at the abandoned cps building and hiked in
someone definitely knows who it is
@@redneckblackheart I think that car had a lot to do with it also..and was there not some guy seen leaning against the car.
I think the problem is that he looks like so many in the population. Average age, average height, average weight, average clothes. It probably looks like 30% of the population of Carroll County.
Don't know why police want to hold off on familiar DNA testing, I am confident, if they have his DNA, it would nail him. It solved the April Tinsley case. I hope they don't wait 10 years to use it.
According to Anna’s recent YT interview they have “lots of DNA it’s figuring out what DNA doesn’t belong.”
LE has made a mess of the little info they have released.
I believe what Anna stated and it makes sense IMO.
LE has never come close to saying they have an isolated DNA profile believed to be the killers.
I agree with you on familiar DNA testing.
I have no doubt CeCe Moore would offer her expertise if there was anything she could work with.
I’m not saying ANYTHING negative about the victims loved ones but I think their only chance at finding out who killed the girl’s is if they PUBLICLY break rank with local law enforcement.
It should have been done day one, unbelievable
Genetic geneology has proven its self to solve murders as long as a relative has DNA in a data bank. It don't make sense that it hasn't been used yet.
That’s a flat cap. He a older man as he’s got a beer belly. Why can’t dna sort this ?? 💔
But what if he planted false DNA?? Like cigarette butts?? That is why they have two sketches. This is why he has been doing this for years and hasn’t been caught. He plants false DNA or makes some killings look like accidents
I witnessed 2 suspects minutes after they shot someone and I wasn’t able to identify them correctly. I thought they got into a completely different vehicle that they actually did. My husband was able to properly identify them and the vehicle and he was standing right next to me. Eye witnesses aren’t as helpful as people would hope.
I had the same experience when I was robbed at gun point. My co-worker swore that the guy who had me at gun point had dreadlocks, I don't remember seeing dreads or anything else like that. None of us remembered anything that the other did. Four suspects and none of us could identify anything about them. Thankfully the FBI had great forensic evidence that tied them directly to our store, but it still took four years and several more robberies before they were caught. I was very surprised at how normal the boogyman I created in my head, looked in court.
I agree but they have video evidence it's hard to believe no one has identified him grainy video or not they have his voice the way he walks someone knows this guy
@@ryanhadley6504 yes I’m aware and agree with you. I was responding to a direct comment about how witnesses aren’t very reliable because my husband and I didn’t “see” the same thing. Some people (ahem, ME) don’t pay close attention as much as we/I should. I would bet this guy doesn’t live in Delphi but is familiar with the area instead. I, also, think the police know who it is but they need solid evidence to be able to prosecute him effectively and they don’t have that yet. Or something like that. I wish they would utilize forensic genetic genealogy to pinpoint the person and obtain his DNA to prove it.
@@ryanhadley6504 voices can be disguised with apps.
@@sissia.5121 huh? you think the guys disguising his voice on a phone he didn't know he was being recorded on??
To the family/friend of the guy you just "can't believe" would do that.... GET OVER YOURSELF & TELL THE POLICE what you SUSPECT. If you don't, YOU are PROTECTING him & he WILL do it again. That makes YOU no better than that monster.
Yea, at this point I’m waiting on karma to start falling on all the “hold outs”
You will be charged with aiding and abetting if you don't turn him in.
I agree!!! Someone knows this man !!! He goes out in the world !
JUST AS GUILTY
There are people out there that do not want this case to be solved, and that is the reason it hasn't been.
You should put the 2 part show on you tube for free if you really want to get the info out nationally. Should not have to have a paid service for cases such as this.
EXACTLY. AGREED.
Totally agree
The 10 part HLN Down The Hill Podcast can be listened to on Spotify. It's also excellent.
So many mf profiting of the girls its disgusting and all these housewives fall for it
Absolutely!
After looking over this case one thing is perfectly clear to me, someone that knew of the girls plans did it.
If it was a stranger, what are the odds that they would meet up with them and have whatever weapon with them?
Almost none.
Agree 100%. This was not a random killing. If law enforcement is pursuing a random killing then chances of this case being solved is slim to none
It's not solved because random stranger murders are the hardest to solve and if not solved within a year then only 5 per cent get solved after that. If this was planned there would be more than one person involved and someone would have flipped by now
Someone would gave been arrested for something and offered to give info to reduce their own charge. There is no honour between criminals.
@@Cloughjordan23 They Knew who killed them. Period.
That's why it will never be solved.
@@Charlee_Murphee How genius!
Believe it or not that never crossed my mind!
That supports my theory!
I think someone knew their plans. He knew them but they didn’t know him. But without knowing all of the audio I’m not sure Libby was recording because he was following them and they were creeped out or they were just recording and got him by accident.
Sooo either he continuously went there waiting for his opportunity or knew the girls were going to be there. Still blows my mind he isn't caught yet 💔
And what are the odds of him going there continuously and just so happens they two girls were the first ones he got no chance he knew them and knew they were going there and was prepared for what he was going to do
@@biggdogg99848 exactly, 👍 👍
It didn’t happen that way
He was seen on the trail earlier in the day, one time by a female walking her dog which is where one of the 2 sketches came from... having the dog with her most likely saved her life. He most likely saw the 2 girls wander down the trail towards the bridge and once they completely crossed to the other side he made his move, being that the girls were essentially trapped at the end of the bridge cause that's where the trail ends. It's so scary and sad to think how horrified those girls must have been to see a grown man trekking towards them at the end of a dead end trail 😔😔
@@apray359 It was an online predator. They went there to meet him. Far from trapped, the private drive leads to the main road where Abby lived, a ten minute jog.
What about the killer he should have had a cell phone. Anyone else cell phone ping in that area at that same time.
Probably didn't bring it. Sucks because they might've been able to track him.
Good question. This seems really well planned.
Great idea 💡
He/they may have but that doesn’t make him a killer, remember the search party too.
@@t-bone3202 not at the same time of the killing, people did not know the girls were killed at that time or even missing
This guy was living among the people of Delphi the entire time.... his family had to have known it was him
That monster in the video is an older man, the way he dresses, walks and sounds. But the suspect photo shows a younger person, I don’t get it!
Right? I totally believe the suspect is in his early to mid fifties. The voice is too deep to be that of a young person
You’ve gotta remember that we don’t know for certain that the guy captured in the Snapchat was in fact the murder. He could have just been a guy out walking that the girls were put off by so they filmed him. While I’m sure most people think it’s unlikely, (including myself.) the guy photographed could be just some random dude. Like they said in this video, there were other people on the trails that day. I’m sure each person that’s come forward saying they were in the area has been investigated, but just like the man in the video, there could be another someone who hasn’t admitted they were out on the trails that could be the actual killer.
The sketches vary drastically, you’re right. And this video explains why that may be the case, but it’s also a very real possibility that the second sketch is of an entirely different subject who potentially could be the actual killer.
@@lelliott1709 the person in the video IS the murderer are you kidding me????? WhyTF do you think Libby filmed HIM?????? Unbelievable. The police said early on that the person in the video IS the killer. The video kept recording and he said go down the hill and it still kept recording, do you not think that’s obvious????!!! I’m pretty sure it even recorded part or all of the murder. It would have kept recording until the battery ran out or someone stopped it. BG did not know he was being recorded so he didn’t stop it so if the battery was charged it caught the murder or at least part of it.
@@lc3993 the police know because they have heard the whole recording, if they heard another guys voice I think they would have said it was two people . They have only ever said one person did this
@@LB-lt3pz there’s no need to be hostile. I was unaware that Libby filmed until her phone died. I have watched interviews where the police say the video is longer than what was released, but nowhere near as long as the public may think.
I worked in group home of 12-16 yr olds and 99% of Staff will say " Hey guys". I feel its someone who is involved with school or youth group of some kind. Prayers for Justice🙏
@Melinda Bloomington8! that was my first thought too
Great point because that stuck out to me. Like why did he say guys vs girls.
This case and another unsolved case where there is a video of the killing and he/she is still out there is the Missy Bevers case!!! I want more than anything that these 2 cases get solved!!!! I'm wondering if the killers will ever be caught?!?! To much time has already pass with no answers!!
Yes Chad, very frustrating (and creepy) to see the killer and then not ever get an arrest.
That is a strange one for sure the Missy case..I sort of think it is family related.
Yes! Especially with both having that gape. Hard part with Missys case is the person was in an oversized costume but it’s scary knowing people are walking among us that are capable of such sickness
@Charlie Hunt of course their is more than one person lying for them.
@Olivia Gropp unless one of the participants took the picture to throw police off. Why would killer leave the phone when so carefully planned.
I feel like he definitely grew up in the area and probably since moved away and recently come back to visit that seems like a good fit
I think anyone who has moved away since the murders would be under a microscope.
@@mountainguy7778 LE aren't idiots. FBI are involved. They've looked at this every which way. The last PC in 2019, for example, wasn't mean for the public in my view.
I don’t think it’s like that? I think this was strategic?
@@t-bone3202 Don't think it like what?
I feel the same.
Maybe he "came home" for a visit with parent(s). Since it was Valentines day he was probably single and the people he associated with all had plans that he got sick of hearing about or seeing on facebook. Jealousy and loneliness possibly ate him up, and he took it out on Libby and Abbie. I don't think this was his first time, just his first time so close to his childhood home. He took a huge risk by doing that, but he got comfortable with committing the crime itself for relief, so he went for it.
I really wish justice would be served for these two girls!!!!! And I absolutely despise when people just say things that are not true and make assumptions, that just mixes the story and makes it even more difficult to solve!!!! Praying for justice
Joni......well said. Tyvm for bringing common sense to the table!
I was on a RUclips live chat last week and a girl in South Carolina kept dropping clues. She said he was in South Carolina, he was in his 40’s, his wife was from the Delphi area, he has a connection to Wilcox furniture in South Carolina and he makes knives. I’ve sent the tip to the Delphi police with screenshots of her conversation. This girl acted as if she knows him.
That could have been BG pretending to be a girl to point in another direction. He is on these chats , always has been
@@LB-lt3pz it was really weird.
Ya, denial or they can’t accept they know the person.
You hit the nail on the head
This case breaks my heart. Cannot believe with that much evidence, and the sophistication of forensics, why he hasn’t been arrested yet! RIP Abby & Libby.🙏🏻🥰 Please keep this case alive until it is solved.
*Usually when that's the case it's because the suspect is close to law enforcement, or may even be a cop themselves.*
local elected officials and police like Shane Evans and Tobe Leazerby are why it's not solved.. they didn't want fbi snooping around and figuring out they're all paid off by meth cooks pedos etc that's a fact
@@NinjaDildoShow - fire department
I hope justice is served 🙏 i live in Indiana in the city and this has even touched us. God bless the family's involved and the two young girls that lost their lives. This is just so tragic still 4 years later.
No they should not release everything that could harm the prosecution. The Sheriff stated” Law Enforcement would know what it is when they see it” when they talk about the piece they need
Totally agree!
You need an arrest before there's a prosecution and it's been 4 years. Seems like a death bed confession 40 years from now is the missing piece they're waiting on.
Screw the prosecution. An active serial killer is roaming free.
I think people want to know the cause of death but how would people knowing it solve the case other than generating more interest.
Do you think it's possible that if the cause of death was/is particularly graphic/cruel (of course it was horrible as any murder is), but perhaps the person that has suspicions of their husband/son/brother etc. did this, actually hears the horrible way the girls were killed that it might be enough to tip them over the edge of coming forth and telling LE what they know....the FACT that "Bill" or "George" could actually do something as henious could force their conscience to tip them in???? Just a thought...I don't know if it would help or not
@@carolcarol3938 Of course, knowing the cause of death would be greatly helpful to anyone with the ability to solve a murder, the reason that Gray Hughes doesn't get it. The cause of death is quite clear, he shot them in the back when they decided to run.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 I'm not sure about a shooting, as surely someone would have heard something (even with a silencer a gun still makes noise)....and people from an area like that usually be familiar with the sounds of gun shots.
@@carolcarol3938 The nearest person was Cheyanne who was near the trail head. Small caliber, no shell casings, little noise. If you used a gun to get them to cross the creek, why then use another weapon? If you ordered them at gunpoint to disrobe and they ran in opposite directions, what would you do?
I agree with you Gray. But I have to say that when watching one of the Delphi authorities interviews days ago he mentioned the 3 or 4 possible signatures and then towards end of interview he stated that he was leaning towards releasing a little bit about the signatures to see if any of the items used ( used a different word than items but meant same thing) brought meaning to anyone. It's the first time I've heard the signatures referenced with items. So I guess there is always the possibility. I think it can be done without saying to much in detail.
Anyway. love love your show. Nobody can trigger a crowd with facts like you. Blessings to you and yours..😁
They’ve got to give more. Almost 5 yrs and this has went nowhere.
Maybe law enforcement should offer amnesty if someone who knows something can waive warrants, and still get reward.
Hey great idea
It’s way bigger than that. There’s no lose ends.
What if he’s already killed the person who was his alibi??
If justice is what’s needed then why does the public have to pay to learn about a crime we could possibly help with??
You dont have to pay. I use cast box app its free.
You can learn about it elsewhere
@Rachelle Pratt they should not make a living off the backs of two murdered girls
@@l.4231 it may be that they can only do them if they get paid.
I know right? It’s 4-2022 and I’m just now hearing about this case. Where did this happen at ??
Fear or being related may stop someone from talking.
Yes or perhaps the only person in this person's life that knows him well is not really paying attention to media regularly. They could be elderly or just anti-social. A lot of isolated folks in that area. If someone does know, I hope they find the courage to come forward for the sake of those girls and any potential victims.
I wouldn't care if that person was related to me or not ! This is a horrific murder is 2 innocent girls ! Relative or not, he's a sick person who I wouldn't want anything to do with him anyway
Thanks for posting and staying on top of this case....lm on the other side of the world and l am still hoping and praying for Justice for Abby and Libby 💜🍀....
please solve this horrible case!!
It’s somebody that possibly knows Ron Logan. Someone who was off work that day. Or was on break in that time frame. They should be able to narrow it down. It’s insane it’s not solved
The bridge guy walks just like Ron Logan , Logan was also seen on the news giving an interview wearing the same hat as bridge guy before the video became public , hmmmm?
@@ryanhadley6504 I saw that!! Very same hat!!
@@ryanhadley6504 Logan told an interviewer that he was at a fish store buying fish when the girls were murdered. Wouldn't that be very easy to confirm?
@@deborahmazza8123 you would think it would be
@@deborahmazza8123 it was confirmed and because he drove to the fish place, they put him in jail for violating probation. He was 1 month away from being done with probation. So it wasn't him.
If I remember correctly Mr Riley said that new information about a person had lead them to say the second sketch was the killer. I believe they know who but have to be able to present it in court to get a conviction. Sheriff L reminded us that they have 1 shot at court because of double jeopardy.
They double jeopardy ppl all the time. Good excuse but I've seen it done so often I don't believe it's even a rule anymore.
The second sketch was actually made within days of murders from a couple of witnesses at park. First sketch was made by FBI from video and people from park. They always had both.
Sorry, ur wrong
Also there are wood trails remember as kids we could find trails in the woods. So he could have cut across the woods people always sneak around in woods.
Wondering if anyone thinks this is related to the evensdale murders. Same situation, 2 girls, abducted and found on the trails near a bridge, the kicker is the dates are revered. Delphi: 2/13/17 - Evensdale: 7/13/12. If you read them backwards they are the same but reversed. Seems a lil strange to me.
Good one!
Hey wow
LE early on commented the two murders weren't connected. We don't know if additional evidence has been found that would connect the cases.
Yes Law enforcement and investigators have ruled out the possibility that the two crimes are related.
@@NoUseForAName0626 If I recall correctly LE said as of right now we can not find any connection but I do not believe they ruled out that they are not connected. I mean they couldn’t possibly rule it out since they haven’t caught the killer connected to both crimes.
Justice for these two precious young girls!
Has anyone considered that the girls were meeting someone from school or that they had met someone else?
A teen with a crush may agree to meet out there and would probably take a friend with her.
My main concern is why the cops won't release the whole recording, or more of it. It's not like they are doing any good so why not ask the public?
The girls say is that creep still following us. That tells you the girls did not know him
@@charlotteshifflett3550 no it doesn't. They may know a "creep" and wondered why he was behind them.
You're almost correct, it was a guy that Libby was chatting with. If there was video or audio that could help it would've already been released. There is no talk of a creepy guy by the girls, that's just a myth made up by Gray Hughes to bolster his foolish hypothesis.
@@charlotteshifflett3550 where can I find information about this story? I’m just now learning about this, or either it’s been so long ago I’ve forgotten about it.
It’s possible because I’ve had a bad head injury.
Please tell me how I can find recording of what your talking about-??
Now we know one of them was messaging and planned to meet what they thought was a hot guy but turned out to be Kegan Kline on his Anthony_Shotts profile.
I'm wondering which town official the perp is linked to? Too much has been stressed that a fall from stature or grace in the community will happen, when discovered.
In the UK we had a double murder of two ten year old girls that walked through their village in 2002. The murderer ended up being the school janitor - he'd never killed before but had a rap sheet from other police jurisdictions for underage rape and assault.
Yes and he even helped in the search and was interviewed on sky news!
I have to think that forensic genealogy would be so helpful
Keeping their families in much much much prayer 🙏❤!!!!!!!!! We will get justice for you girls!!!!!
this is not random he knew to pin them at the end of the bridge he knew the area
Agree or nearby State
You know what really bothers me the most about this "4 yr. unsolved" case? Is knowing that if this was the President's Daughter we would have had that guy within a week. We'd know where he came from, who his 3rd grade Teacher was and what he had for lunch that day. I wish that all cases that involve children were treated as if they each/all were the Presidents Daughter.
Great comment!!
The President’s daughter would never be allowed to walk alone with a friend
Well we do know one thing, if the president's son is accused of having a laptop full of criminal leaning and if not full on criminal behavior he wouldn't be investigated with any haste
I was driving through Indiana and made a pitstop to see that bridge. It is about 70 ft or more up in the air, with BIG gaps in between the slats and posts. Terrifying for someone who is unfamiliar with that bridge/area. For a man to walk across it at a good pace WITH HIS HANDS IN HIS POCKETS indicates to me he has crossed that bridge many times before in preparation for this crime. And then he (and the girls) likely had to go down a very steep hill as well. He planned this and corralled those two poor girls.
I don’t disagree with you and shared the same opinion about if he’s walking with his hands in his pockets with the bridge in that shape, then he’s been on it before. But, Abby’s hands are in her pockets too when filmed by Libby. And that was Abby’s first time on the bridge
That was his 3rd crossing that day. They were far from being corralled. That was the safest place to wait for the guy that Libby had been chatting with. The private drive leads to the main road where Abby lived, a ten minute jog.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 where are you getting this information of an online predator meet up. I will admit it's plausible but these girls seem too smart to meet in a secluded area like that.
@@tylerm7300 I figured that out just base on the public info, but then a shirttail relative told the whole story. Consider this, if you were a girl, where would you wait, if it was a boy that you knew and liked, at the the trail head, so you could walk together. Think about all of the combinations that it could be, for example, if it was a girl who you were battling over a boy. They waited there, because it was the safest place. They had plenty of time to gauge the guy as he slowly made his way across the bridge, if he turned out to be the hobo in sketch #1 carrying a bloody axe, they could run down the hill onto the private drive which leads to the main road where Abby lived, a ten minute jog. Got anymore questions?
What guy was she chatting with ?
They know the day that this happened, has anyone looked at any security cameras on the businesses in that community that this guy might have visited that day or even earlier prior to the killings? If he is a local as suggested, then he most likely has worn that outfit and visited the community stores prior to this tragic day. If he owns a vehicle, he most likely would have stopped to get gas if he drove there? If he didn't then he could be local and walked?
Hopefully police pulled all camera footage from all places they could but many times we learn they don’t do half of the things they should.
OUR TOWNS NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND STOP DEPENDING ON POLICE TO DO EVERYTHING.
I WISH THE WHOLE COUNTY WOULD COME TOGETHER WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.
I wish all homes & businesses would have kept footage of this day and then once they got this photo of him everyone could go watch their footage and I’m sure they would find him.
Idk where this happened but what about cameras on the red lights?
All cities have those..
I would think they could figure out what he was driving somehow.
Would someone please post the state this happened in?
Date??
@@teresahickey3021 it happened in small town, 2 girls missing, Delphi, Indiana, February 13, 2017, they both were found dead February 14, 2017. Police aren't releasing how their bodies looked when they were found. Police and fbi are still collecting tips and there is still a reward for a linking tip. Kegan Kline is in jail for catfishing the girls and child porn, using Anthony shots photos as bait, but he is not a suspect in the deaths. Keep watching. Hope this helps.
He can't be from their someone would have recognized him the picture has been plastered everywhere plus the video
This story has been national news. Someone who knows him has seen the broadcasts and knows what he did .
The perp has already been arrested.
I really liked this question and answer session very insightful. Thank you HLN.
Excellent video. Great questions from viewers and great analysis from the panel. I'm praying for that the killer will be identified and that these families can experience some sense of peace at some point. My heart goes out to these two families.
The podcast was great,I listened to the whole thing,but even after all this,the tips,podcasts, etc.,we're still going in circles with no suspect or anything... it's been 4 years... God bless the innocent victims and their families and friends...
Now it’s five years.
@@christinerobinson890 finally got his azz!!
I just don’t understand this. I think they have interviewed him but he may have an ‘alibi’ but the person who has supported the alibi is either lying or has the dates mixed up.
I am a PhD in English, retired professor and expert witness in contract disputes, born in Kokomo and a graduate of Ball State University, and I believe BG is a Hoosier. I am an expert in English language and literature.
Can you please give a reason why you suspect BG is a hoosier? What specifically triggered that thought? I appreciate the comment.
You should send your information to the police.
And.......?
The girls could not have escaped by running back across that bridge and the killer knew that. He had them trapped at the end. The bridge is difficult to traverse at a slow walk.
Very good. And he most certainly did not walk in and out of the area on the main trails. Perhaps this BG guy parked in the back of the cemetery and walked over to the north side of the bridge.....watched and waited.
That's a hat he's wearing the hoodie can be seen . He may be living in a basement of a parent in the area which will be harder to find him.
it's free. If they put signs with in 20 miles of that bridge like election signs
I wonder if one of the reasons for keeping the details of the murders out of the press is not to further push away the person who knows the man who did this.
If they are already scared or in denial, the details may isolate them further. Maybe it’s just too much more to accept?
Someone has an idea who this man is. Someone has an instinct or a gut feeling.
Please come forward. It’s never too late
The kline son has to admit it is his dad to himself and to the cops.
Men under 50 absolutely do not wear jeans like that. Ever.
I agree... I think he is 36 or older
I disagree. Maybe it depends on where you are from. Small town men are not fashion consience.
How do we know for sure he is from a small town ? We don’t .. he could have grew up in that area and visiting for a few days
I think he definitely an older person by the way he was dressed and his gate or walk. But the suspect photo shows a younger person.
@@Betonmeamberlee I haven't seen a "suspect" photo except the older guy on the railroad tracks. Where is the other photo?
I get big time BTK vibes from this guy. The way he says “guys, down the hill” makes me think he has kids or works with kids. It’s probably why he isn’t caught yet, he blends in with polite society so well.
Boy Scout leader
True Crime Investigates Anthony Greeno has straight from To be Leazenby, thatbtheae sound bites are from different sentences and weren't in that order.
So, "down the hill" is a sentence or part of a sentence spoken prior to saying "Guys" as part of a sentence
I do too!! also.. I also think he could be lurking in the youtube comments possibly
I agree! This man doesn't have a conscience so that 2019 press conference appealing to his guilt was useless. He probably went home to his family or hung out with friends after like nothing happened. He killed two girls in broad daylight and despite the risks of being caught he went through with it. He is a psychopath.
@@smellycatrulesxX Yep - agree.
I don't understand why if there was so many people there that day why no one heard anything?
Sometimes when we're really frightened our body just shuts down. It's like those awful nightmares where you try to scream but nothing comes out. Police etc actually have to train for this so they can overcome their natural instincts. If you're not use to having a gun pointed at you, you might go into shock the first time.
Libby might've told this guy off. She might not have been able to scream but she may have angered him severely. She was hurt more than than Abby and left naked.
@@lorimiller4301 where did you hear that they had no clothes on? i thought that all the crime scene details were kept secret
@@Goldenretriever-k8m um, it was something I was just listening to, it said that Libby was naked and nearly decapitated and that Abby was stabbed in the heart. Libby was staged but Abby wasn't. I'll try to figure it out and get back to you.
What is your statement implying. I have huge wooded areas behind me. I know I wouldn’t hear. Wouldn’t be looking to hear something like this in my quiet, quaint town.
@HLN
Lafayette, Indiana is 20 miles away. It is home to Purdue University's roughly 30,000 students. Delphi is small, the surrounding area not so much.
Students in and out from many states.
Very true and it's only about an hour from the Indianapolis metro area which is home to about 2 million people, that makes it harder to narrow down and find this guy
Didn’t Libby take college prep classes there? I would be looking at the staff that works there.
@@firewife911 former volunteer fire chief from Flora is or was first responder at Purdue.
"PLEASE READ HLN" Somebody needs to ask the older sister if she can recall any vehicles parked when she dropped the girls off. Also, see if the father remembers any vehicles there when he arrived to pick them up. You can also check to see if there is any houses in walking distance of the trail. If you look at the video or picture of the man you can see that he was prepared for a walk. The thin blue wind breaker over a heavy coat looks like he is local and prepared for a walk in the wind. He has walked these tracks many times, because if you look at the video he has his hands in his pockets walking without hesitation. Think about it, this guy knows this place. I have studied the video and picture, if you look at his right side under the blue wind breaker you can see the outline of a gun shifting as he walks. The impression shifts with the sunlight as he walks. The barrel of the gun is positioned and facing towards his right arm leaving the handle towards the zipper, telling me that the man is left handed. If you look at the boots you will see that they are soft patten leather work boots, not hiking boots. They look like Walmart brand brahma boots. From the top arch of the boot to the toes looks to be 6 to 7 inches giving him either a size 11 or 12 in shoe size, making him between 5ft 11 inches to 6ft 1 inch between 185lbs to 215lbs. His blue Jean's has been washed many times leaving the material thin on top of the legs, leaving me to believe these are his favorite Jean's, meaning he would wash blood from them so that he can keep them. The tone and authority of his voice leads me to believe that he is between 35 to 45 years of age. I also believe that he is a relative of an official with some sort of power in the community. He is either laying low or someone sent him away. Everyone needs to see who disappeared around the same time four years ago.
Not every element of a case is a holdback:
Person that found the girls has shared his texts and stated:
Libby had her neck sliced and almost totally severed from her body and she had clothes removed, covered in leaves and branches, and Abby had her neck sliced also, although not as extreme and she was dressed; both girls posed like “dolls”... He described very little blood at scene...
A woman walking her dogs described the younger subject... Another lady saw the same younger guy, he gave her the creeps, and told her husband about him that night...
It could have been another man waiting on the end they were heading; human hunting is a sport of the wealthy; satanic/illuminate ritual abuse: so many Satanic Synagogues and Mason Temples in Indiana... Would question any symbols on the body or crime scene(s) related to sacrifice and blood draining for adrenochrome...
Many people do not know the psychopaths in their families...
As a former psychiatric forensic nurse that sat in on criminal court reviews for mental competency, with the forensic psychiatrist...
I found most intelligent murders (organized); are smooth talking master manipulators, who spend their days playing cat and mouse con games... Family and friends might have no idea...
Interactive Maps on web allow remote viewing of trails, bridges, water, and wooded areas... Person probably knew school was out; and parents were working; good day to hunt teens unfortunately...
Police should never have called off search; most children are murdered within hours of capture; search and rescue dogs should have been brought in right away...
Just like the LISK killer on Long Island; police, and related agencies, should be investigated; due to not releasing much info or attempting to fully explore DNA analysis, etc...
Lots of cover ups, and blackmailing, happen in situations of organizations acceptable;
of human sacrifice and child trafficking... Children are worth more than drugs in this modern world...
Thank you for this report...
Wow, sounds like a tarot card reading I heard and believe! It all makes sense! Libby was the target and motive (she was unclothed) whereas Abby was just at the wrong place/wrong time (still clothed). The tarot reader said a blunt object was used initially but then a knife was involved. Also, a jealous woman was behind this (this was a couple). Someone mentioned seeing a man & woman walking near there around the same time. I wonder if they were interrogated. Maybe they felt because they were a couple, no one would suspect them.
there's a masonic cemetary near where they were
So if this is true how would there be no blood at the scene??????!!!!! Did you know when your neck is cut and your head is nearly off your whole body bleeds out???!!! There would be tons of blood, they were strangled and hit in the head first to stun them
Adrenachrome is located in the pineal gland. Which is on your forehead. This is not one of those cases.
Adrenochrome is horse shit though, Hunter S. Thompson made it up as a drug to put in his book.. seems a little far fetched but I agree with the rest.
Has anyone considered the fact that the suspect could be a truck driver who is comfortable with the area and knows it well but doesn't actually *live* in the area? which could be why they're having a hard time finding him..
Exactly
Made his approach? well you say he was already on the second side so he would have approached them twice. The NW side makes much more sense. He knew the traffic and could keep checking behind him and call it off if anyone showed up.
Yes, I think he just posted himself at the beginning of the trail and waited till he saw a viable victim get on the bridge, with no one ahead of them. My gut says he would have preferred a single victim, but as the day wore on, and the girls were the only ones who crossed who seemed "takeable", so to speak, he decided to pounce and followed them. I don't think he expected he'd have much of a challenge if he had a gun, however they probably turned out to be more of a challenge than he expected. He probably figured he'd take his chances with two victims because time was ticking away as the afternoon wore on and he needed to satisfy his urge before he lost all opportunities that day. This case is haunting and heartbreaking.
I have a lot of respect for the opinion of Casey
Delphi murders 2-13-17
The 2 cousins in Iowa 7-13-12
Exact date backwards. Maybe just a strange coincidence, but if the dates are a link I'd be on the look out come 3-17-21.
I love You guys for this! I'm slowly becoming obsessed with this case? So many twists and turns. We must seek Justice for these sweet girls because they cannot. We must all be their voices, eyes and ears. God Bless You all ,everyone reading this and The Victims and their families! Now LETS CATCH THIS POS!
Let's find out, what he did. We all deserve, to know.
BG is anthony kline! imho. 🌺 🌺
The area is near a meat packing plant and grain silos with lots of trucks coming , staying and going. When I looked it up, the reviews say that it takes them many hours to load up which means that the trucker has nothing to do for those hours.The guy looked like a truck driver.
FYI
There are three types of cell provider "pings."
1. A scheduled ping that is done at regular intervals in a 24hr period to keep a customer connected to the best available network.
2. A forced ping at the request of a cell phone customer.
3. A usage ping when a phone wakes up because someone tries to text, call or access the web.
GPS "triangulation" is a whole other type of geo locating tool and is generally done by US Airforce at the request of LE.
Go back and be questioned whoever they questioned.
I wonder if it's someone from that town or nearby community .
Public doesnt just want justice for both teens. Public wants protection from this person.
If he's watching, we will get you
Also I would like to hear that audio without any background noise, just his voice saying Go down the hill.
Meatpacking plant 2 miles away must be considered as a major clue. So many serial killers, and mob related hit men dealt in the dismemberment of bodies, often having worked at some time in butcher shops even. One may have worked at the plant and walked in the bridge area at lunch or after work.
I could be wrong but I think the girls were targeted. He/ they knew they would be there. BG looks like he has a limp not just watching his steps like le said. Just speculating.
Not only targeted, but also set up!
They weren't, they didn't even plan on going there that day until like maybe 2hrs before they were dropped off and that guy was already there at the trail, seen by a woman who was walking her dog(which is where one of the 2 sketches came from) they unfortunately were probably the only ones who crossed the bridge fully during that time and were basically sitting ducks, as the trail ends at the end of bridge where Libby started recording as the man was hauling ass towards them
Have they said if they posted on social they would be there by chance? I assuming law enforcement would have checked their social media
That’s why I would have ran. It did look like he had a limp. I would have been running and calling somebody.
@@Main969 I think the video has been slowed down. I bet he rushed them pretty fast. And I get the idea someone else was behind them so she pocketed the camera.
when the police have no homicide experience they should have turned it over to somebody that knew what they were doing
You would think if they really wanted to solve this, they could do the genetic dna stuff.
That is true, sadly the police involved in many of these cases do not want to share info even with other departments because of ego, etc. That's the real problem it doesn't matter who gets credit for the arrest of this monster only matters that he is caught. They need to work together, even with the old case of the zodiac killer in California, some police depts. won't release what they know to other police depts. That's wrong and needs to change.
I don’t think he’s watching. Seems like it wasn’t premeditated and something happened that ticked him off prior to even him coming up on the bridge. Was he passing over the bridge to get to the other side to go to the store and he was triggered by something. Did he have issues with people being on “his” bridge? He knows the area when he says “down the hill”. Was he already down that hill previously? Did he walk them a half mile to ensure there wasn’t any possible view? What is the other way out of there once you crossed the bridge? It looks pretty thick with brush and such. He sounded calm but almost as if he is slightly annoyed and at that point already had it in his mind that he was going to murder the girls. It hurts to say that and if any of the family reads this, I mean no disrespect and sincerely apologize if I sound disingenuous. I couldn’t begin to imagine their pain and loss and anger... 🙏🏻
I wonder ... could the trigger have been that he saw the girl recording him and threatened her to stop, she did not and finding themselves cornered and endangered as he grew closer and closer, she threw the phone rather than give it to him and leave no clue about what happened to them and this was the trigger. Because there is no way any murderer would leave the victim with their phone esp. once he knew that they were recording him. After the fact, the police were able to find the phone and get the info. IF BG was actually the killer ... leaving room for doubt.
Has it been considered that he was "intentionally" overdressed? Is there a way to downdress him?
Yes. Right on.
@@persephonespomegranate The way he dressed is an indication of where he came from. Define signature.
@@persephonespomegranate Most people in that area are farmers and dress like him, my point was that his place of origin can possibly be narrowed down by the amount of clothing that he's wearing. He's dressed heavier than the girls, so he likely came from a little further north. As far as signatures, this was his first murder and likely his last. He took no souvenirs or left any signatures as a calling card. The officer who said that probably meant MO not signature. Libby had been chatting with the guy since around Christmas. He claimed to be 19. Twice she asked a neighbor boy to go with her to meet the guy, once around Christmas, the second time the night before the murders, he declined and warned her about such activities. The fellow befriended them, then at the waters edge when they weren't going to willingly cross he pulled a gun, then on the other side when he ordered them to disrobe they ran in opposite directions, so he shot them in the back.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 well, you asked me to “definite signature” and I mistook that for an honest invitation to discuss the criminal mindset but I see now that you already had your mind made up and just wanted to prove a point.
I’m going to delete my conversation because it was a general discussion about FBI techniques and not a statement of fact about anything related to Delphi - as I stated above, it’s all pure speculation at this point. I really hope LE does indeed have much more info than they are letting us in on.
If you have legitimate sources for any of the above, then fantastic! Case pretty much solved. I trust you will liaise with LE. Otherwise, I don’t want to contribute to speculation being misconstrued as fact in the RUclips rumour mill so I will delete the convo about signatures.
I have experienced a violent murder in my immediate family and although there’s nothing worse than it happening to your child, I have some idea from my own pain as a sister and watching what my poor parents have had to endure. It never leaves you and gossip hurts. So I will peace out and wish you good day. ✌🏻
@@persephonespomegranate Sorry if you are offended. I wasn't trying to make any point, just curious if you knew what signatures meant. I too have had a fascination with serial killers, mainly profiling them. A friend was murdered in 1977 and over the years already having a natural interest in murders I researched everything that I could in hopes of solving the case which led to actually doing so. As we chat a family is reading the book that I wrote learning about their sisters demise. Two books so far. I like the hard cold cases, Lindbergh kidnapping, JFK assassination. In fact by researching the latter I became quite good at interpreting photographic evidence, the main reason for my interest in the Delphi case. I'm not speculating, I know what I've said to be true. Yes, I've contacted LE and I can tell by the chatter that they are interested in someone local. A couple of episodes ago Greeno divulged that LE confiscated his phone. Again I apologize if I have upset you. Good day.
Someone on RUclips took a video camera and filmed all around that area where the two children were, and died. Prior to that, I'd only seen images of the bridge but this video revealed what a barren, scary place the area is, particularly in winter. The bridge itself looks so scary to walk on. I am surprised any parents or family member would allow two young children to go out there on their own. If it weren't for fears of abduction and murder, then falling off the bridge is likely. I'm shocked the two girls were allowed out there.
I agree Geoff
I like the way they morphed the sketches of O.B.G. to Y.B.G.
Father/son
I heard this too.
Never heard about the father/son theory until now. Iv always thought one offender and father, son killers are extremely rare but absolutely nothing would surprise me in this case. Nothing!
@@shaneconsidine2617
There's a local Boy Scout leader and his son that has ties to the girls and both look almost identical to the sketches.
It's someone that's never been publicly mentioned. Imo
That video looks to be a man in his late 30's or early 40's. No young guy would be dressed in a navy blue bomber jacket and dad Jean's. He also appears to walk with a slight limp. It appears he is wearing a cap. I agree with the guy who stated "the voice sounds more like an oler man"
I believe its Barry morphew he lived in Delphi fits all description he lives in COLORADO where his wifes missing hes under suspicion of having something to do with Suzanne's disappearance
@@edithgreen6735 NO its NOT!!!
@@tracyannbielhy9794 yes! I noticed the fanny pack, too
@@snailbellonthetrail982 what makes you so sure ?his wife Suzanne is now missing 9 months ago after moving to COLORADO
@@tracyannbielhy9794 sure looks like one doesn’t it?
it appears that he greets them with the word ¨guys¨ so i wd think he knows them in a general sense like he works at the local school as janitor etc? so he wd call all the kids ¨guys¨...hmmm
The GRANDFATHER.
@@sendhelp6537 why
Why would her phone still ping at 2am? Wouldn't the charge run out?
do we know the phone actually pinged late at night or if it was just reported that the last ping was down there to Tobe late at night?
Lol Gary I was hoping your RUclips would tell me! You give Awesome info man!
It's amazing that this person has not been figured out yet. They had to be familiar with the area in some way.
Do you really think a rickety old bridge would prevent the likes of Richard Ramirez or JWGacy? Didn't Ted Bundy and a few other serial killers have higher than average IQ's and be able to quickly scope out an area and memorize/familiarize himself with it? I'm with the blond lady, they need to consider that he could be from anywhere. A drifter who is used to all different types of terrain etc.
They need to release any audio and video they have that we have not seen
I agree. After four years, holding back evidence is counterproductive.
Seemingly the rest of the audio is so traumatic they cant out of respect for the girls families. I totally agree tho any extra evidence that wont jeopardise the case has to be released I.e cause of death , murder weapon and any extra audio from BG. Block out the girls if needed.
Obviously there is no more that can be helpful. If you haven't come up with a solution by now based on the evidence released, stick to guarding sheep.
@@theincorruptedeye8226 oh so you solved it huh????
@@Exodus-sb8so Someday I'll tell you about it, Roy. Hope all is well.
People are afraid to point fingers if they aren't 100% certain that their suspect is the guy.
I want to thank you for this conversation. It keeps us aware. Whether this was random, a stalker, or serial killer, he is very familiar with the area, the bridge. Personally, I think he randomly chose the young girls, he stalked their movements, and he's a serial killer. He's very fast, very organized, he's done this before, he knows how to keep from getting caught.
Yep it’s a serial killer , also serial killers usually just leave a body and don’t bury it with more than sticks and leaves it’s too much effort to hide the body plus they know they will be long gone when it’s found. If you look at pictures of the crime scene it’s identical to Lyric and Elizabeth‘s crime scene. Identical!!
@@LB-lt3pz How do I look at both crime scenes? Thanks! Identical? That's very interesting.
@@firelitexox yes identical! I just kept searching for each crime scene and eventually found pictures of both if I find one again I’ll post where I found it
@@firelitexox google photos: remembering Lyric and Elizabeth. Scroll down and you will see a picture of a river and a log with crime scene tape
@@firelitexox google, the Delphi hiking murders, the area where the bodies were found
#JusticeForAbbyAndLibby
Police need to share more information. John Douglas is critical of this investigation because of that decision.
How was he "waiting for them at the end of the bridge" when the photos show him ON the bridge likely following them.
Wasn’t he walking towards them?
7:35
Interesting. The FIB in Quantico has presented this case to a class of agents.
Whoever know this man ..turn him in!!!
The "abandoned car".
I've heard it mentioned in several other videos but it wasn't discussed here.
Why not bring in a few detectives from far away from Delphi, say Chicago or NYC, LA County Sheriff's Department, or Denver to work on this case, reputable self-starters and brilliant people with access to all evidence and materials?
Ikr
Look very carefully at that Snapchat photo shifts Abby out of the picture you will see a white construction van by the support parked that was meant for the abduction didn't work out they ran and they got caught up with but they have all this please study that picture very carefully it's not the best but it's taken from far away by Libby and a picture she was taking of Abby she caught the van in the picture barely God bless all of you that's the big key
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the killer was someone posing as a “Internet detective” trying to help solve this case. They might live in the area or close by and say they got interested in true crime because of this case. They might cover other cases from time to time. But they always come back to Delphi.....
This helps literally nobody- plenty of people fit that description
I think that's been a possibility all along.
Honestly this makes sense
Very good point
Delphi? Where is this at? State? What was the date it happened?
Either this is my first time hearing about this or it’s been so long ago I’ve forgotten?
I have had a bad memory since car wreck so I’m sorry for asking but I’m trying to learn more about this case. I can’t seem to find out anything about it though
WHY IS IT THAT THIS STORY ISNT EVERYWHERE
THIS STATE/ county & city should be reposting this story non stop.
Someone somewhere knows this man. It’s just gonna take more work reposting this story.
Please do a two-part show
I hope these detectives hire Cece Moore to help with this case 🙏🙏🙏 #JusticeforLibby #JusticeforAbby
They have to have the DNA evidence required to use forensic genealogy first. I'm not sure they do.
They can't give out cause of death. Its secret information that is absolutely key to investigators if they haul in a suspect. Hoping he'll trip himself up and tell them the cause.
Not true, they can release COD, they keep things close to the best to vet suspects. They have multiple signatures they are keeping hidden as well. They are trying to protect the family and girls. Meanwhile a monster hunts their neighborhoods.
@@perryspencer1135 Not a good hunter, it's been 4 years.
They should release anything that can help the search.
Someone asked on another video made by a psychologist if he thought there might be any connection to the Evansdale, Iowa murders of Elizabeth and Lyric.... Wish I had been able to submit this question to this panel when they were live
No one can think quickly or clearly when your life is at stake! And they're only 14 years old! I'd be freaking out as a young girl! They were in so much danger they had no idea what was going to happen to them at this point! They had no idea what was going on what is going to happen I wouldn't know they didn't know and I'm just like chilled to the bone! My hair is standing up on my skin right now because I am living a horrible sadness for these ladies it's so horribly sad I can't come to grips with this it's just so horribly sad! So you know what no one has words I don't have words for what these little girls had to go through no it's horribly sad and I love them unconditionally and I feel so heart breaking sad for them and their parents and their grandparents and their family and their friends and the whole community this is just very sad they've lost these precious little pearls the precious Pearls of Life they've lost in that community because they were such beautiful little treasure chests yes. I'm just saying I'm so consumed in this because I love these girls! I really love these girls and it's so it's so! I can't wait for the day that we get the Killer because he's not going to want to look me in the eyes
I disagree with releasing the cause of death. Let’s say they were shot or a knife was used. How would that lead to information of the Suspect. I feel a Criminal Profilers information would definitely lead more leads or information on the Suspect
Best to not release that so they could weed out anyone who wanted their 15 minutes of infamy or who decided to troll the police. I think they said there was something unusual about how they were posed after being killed but that's also not being released for the same reason.