Lady Maria is trapped in a cycle of her own weakness || Bloodborne Analysis
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It's very telling as well that she fights fair throughout the whole encounter. She could easily have killed you when you approached her chair, but she doesn't. Her goal isn't to kill you. She knows she can't. She's tapping on the fourth wall by calling out the in-universe explanation for respawns and her goal is simply to make you give up in the real world. It's a very different motivation than most FromSoftware bosses.
Soooo…she’s sans? *plays megalovania*
Pulled a Sans on ya real sneaky deeky
@@realrealwarpet before Sans there was Vivec in Morrowind that knew that the player character can reload a save over and over trying to kill him despite him being a god, so he chooses not to fight in the first place.
Maybe Maria is the most direct but a lot of fromsoft bosses knows about the player’s immortality and try to break their will to keep fighting like Morgott in the first encounter, the twin princes , Gherman himself, just to name a few
She literally rages and uses her full power and even taps into a forbidden art…
Its pretty telling that instead of physical suffering like Ludwig or Laurence, the Orphan mentally torments Maria by making her relive her greatest failure
I- I didn’t realize it was the orphan perpetuating the nightmare. I thought it was just Kos herself with a death curse or some shit like that
@@gametheus1306 it's hinted to be the Orphan because the nightmare started after he was kidnapped by Byrgenwerth. The nightmare then supposedly ends after we slay the Orphan
@@HM4Hill that’s fair. I mean if someone defiled and killed my mom, and I had the opportunity, I’d burn them to the ground and make them suffer too ^^
Reliving.. failures.. fuck, I just now made the connection.. she has to sit there in her own blood, witnessing the abominations that were the living failures, which were probably the best case scenarios for the people in that research hall.. She had her face rubbed into the fact that despite her very best efforts to try and atone for what they did to the Hamlet, all that resulted was an endless nightmare of insanity and death..
@@no.thx. and she thought she could put herself out of her misery only to be trapped in that same loop for God knows how long until we finally free her
I love an antagonist whose whole motivation is essentially guilt. Maria had the classic "bright eyed idealist gets a harsh dose of ugliness" story but instead of going full evil she spends her existence trapped between reality and fantasy trying to stop the worst from ever happening.
Much like 40k except that the worst always happens. One could argue a similar point for warhammer to a extent at least.
I'd say she's a failed redemption arc. She starts out with principles but starts betraying them the more and more the deeper she is into the Hunt. The Fishing Hamlet was a turning point for her, but unlike Zuko she decides to join the Research Hall. One could argue she didn't really change much at all, cause yeah she might no longer be chopping heads, but she is enabling and abetting some of the worst atrocities in the game. She realizes this, and the fultility of the research halls goals and takes her own life. She is the ultimate Living Failure
Maria truly girlbossed too close to the Sun 😔😔😔
As she shouldn't 💅
Slay💅
At least somebody had a soul among the old hunters..
@@Queen_elizabitch She got slain.
Yas Queen absolutely slaying. Give us warnings of the horrible cosmic horrors you have helped unleashed upon the world
My design note is that Maria is one of the only characters in Bloodborne who looks young. Almost every other hunter has some form of age in their design. Only two don’t. Maria and Alfred both share youth (or maybe cleanliness) in their appearance to show something. Whereas Alfred is a Zealot who loses that cleanliness when he ‘’’kills’’’ Annalise and bathes in her blood, Maria’s is (I think) used to convey her victimhood. As much good as she tried to do, Byrgenwerth, and later the Healing Church, would turn it into a tool to commit untold suffering on the people of Yharnam.
When she tried to hunt, she was forced to lobotomize children and dissect a corpse in order for progress
When she quit and worked at the laboratory, she eventually offed herself because of the guilt that her comfort could do nothing for them.
When she did die, she was imprisoned by an angry mother in an endless dream, because those that were responsible for the death of her child were out of her grasp.
Maria wanted to help, and was shown exactly what that meant in a FromSoft game, where those with power are selfish and shortsighted old fools.
And she never stopped trying.
Is it clear Maria’s my favorite FromSoft character?
I think so; either that or you have a calling in analysis videos
Well she's young because she doesn't age in the nightmare and it's in the past not the present. Plus she's a descendant of basically vampires and This isn't her real body either which is probably a pile of bones. I believe she'd be the same age of gherman.
Akechi canonically is a SoulsBorne fan I guess.
Either because of her vileblood, or she died young, that’s why she look young
I think Maria looks young because she might be a vileblood, which basically the bloodborne version of vampire
Ah tragic Maria. She truly feels like the fallen heroine from a previous tale, risen revenant-like trying to keep others from making her same mistakes.
Interestingly in cut content, Maria’s indigence in letting the Hunter through into the hamlet was played as more regal, she was alive and could be interacted with, and depending on what the player chose they could either fight or walk away.
It’s also revealed that her injuries and death were actually done by Simon who kills her to access the Hamlet before the Hunter gets there.
I never knew that... That kind of changes a lot to be honest.. and makes sense. She would still watch over the Hamlet in order to keep people from finding out the truth, and is probably why her and Simon fought, since it's implied he's gone insane and bestial at times, but i dont see how Maria couldnt beat him.. maybe he attacked her randomly as she was trying to talk him into leaving? You did say her indignation specifically .
That cut content was supposed to be after you rejected fighting her, so I doubt it’s canon.
@@darkerdaemon7794It doesn’t change anything, if it was cut was for a reason.
@@DarthJex It changes a ton. Just because it wasn't shown directly in game doesnt mean it never happened. That's what cut content is, not scrapped from the lore but just removed from gameplay.
@@darkerdaemon7794 Cut content can absolutely be scrapped from the lore. It's not canon.
I loved this entire fight, every move feels powerful and yet sad. Fuckin love it.
I find it interesting that the Hunter's Nightmare seems to judge the souls it keeps trapped.
Ludwig gets a moment of lucidity, because he tried shaping "noble Spartans." Maria was a hypocrite but one that felt shame, and is thus shamed BY veneration. And even the orphan gets the release of a good fight, when it's implied it really died in the womb.
The most Damned in that place? Not even a name left. Just cackling bloodlust that rises again and again.
Maria doesn't have slit wrists alone, also her neck. This is the reason why she entered the nightmare so young, compared to individuals like Simon, Ludwig, Laurence, Brador, and the mad hunters as well.
All of them have hunter's corruption, their hands turning beastial with a critical strike. Maria doesn't though. She gently guts you with a knife. She truly represents the broken youth of the hunts. Brador represents the desire of the church to keep things hidden, Simon represents those who forsake the church, all to reveal the truth, while Laurence stands for the end for the clerics and members of the healing church.
And Ludwig stands for the madness that can take over DURING a hunt
And the Orphan of Kos shows the wrath of the Great Ones when they are wronged. Boy, it was a grand ass whooping.
"Gently guts you with a knife" is my new favourite sentence 😂
Hunters hands dont turn bestial on s viceral, they just have lanky hands.
I read her reasoning as moreso one of shame and cowardice than one of care. She wishes not to prevent anyone from learning of the past due to caring for them, for in fact facing it is how the Hunter's nightmare came to an end. Rather, she dares not look at what she's done much less let it be known by others what great sins she and her brethren committed. She does not want those who look up to her to know the truth, for what would they think of her then?
I'm more than anything reminded of Simon, who asks why they deserve to continue to be condemned for a sin they did not commit. For Maria the answer is that she would rather condemn others than let the truth be known, so that the memory of her and her comrades can be left well enough alone.
I read it as shame too but in a different way. She's ashamed of the horrors inflicted on the people of the Fishing Hamlet, so she guatds the entrance to make sure it can't happen again.
"A corpse should be left well alone." I read it as her protecting the korpse of Kos (or some say Kosm) from further defilement. You can even see a grave marker with some lumenflowers on top of a cliff overlooking the goddess' body. Maria's the only person it makes sense to have put up the little memorial.
I think she was trying to make up for her past mistakes. Ironically, that condemns her and all other hunters to the nightmare. That's an interesting philosophical rabbit hole.
@@logancurtis8029 This. All of this. It just makes sense to me she wants to prevent you from defining Kos further.
@@aegis6485 another motivation could be self-loathing and a sense of hatred towards the healing church and herself.
By wich i mean that her reason for blocking access to the corpse of Kos is actually to ensure the Nightmaret continues, so as to eternally punish the reviled church, as well as herself.
I really don't think this has anything to do with Maria wanting to be remembered well. Because she's not even mentioned in the main game. She's the one who curses the hunters in the first place and it's my guess that she is the host of the hunters nightmare. I think this is more about her wanting to punish herself and all blood drunk hunters for their sins. Simon's of the sensible opinion that enough is enough
YES! This and the 4 comments following it! This is exactly how it read to me based on the dialogue and lore, and im glad someone put it into words.
I don't think it's the wrists she slit. She has blood on her cravat, meaning she either slit her throat (homage to the Cainhurst ladies?) or drank poison, as there's a goblet on the table near her.
Well there is blood everywhere so I don't think it's the poison, but it's also a lot of blood for just slitting the throat or wrists, so I think it's both
Hold up, Maria blocks the way to the hamlet so that you “won’t defile it further” as she believes any hunter is going to do, she does not wish for the corpse of Kos to be toyed with anymore, no it will be left in peace
Ludwig was my first step into truly mastering the Soulsborne series.
Lady Maria was... not my last. That would be Slave Knight Gael (still haven't beaten SS Isshin yet). But defeating her was when I finally realized that all my foes could be conquered, by skill, strength, perseverance, and blood.
Also she looks like The Doll, so there's some symbolism there.
she IS the doll, because Gehrman was... obsessed... with her, and made a doll in her image, which isn't creepy whatsoever, especially when you consider how much more submissive the doll is.
No symbolism here, just a creepy old man
I would invite you both to look up Saint Riot's recent video regarding Gerhman and the Doll. Some awefully good treasure in there... it'll change your life.
@@atocanboi409 I remember from Max0rs video on Bloodborne, where he mentioned something along the lines of "He canonically slept with the doll too!"
There’s no info that says he had any serious “relationship” with the doll.
I always interpreted the fight as her preventing you from getting to the Fishing Hamlet “a corpse is best left well alone” I imagine meaning the corpse of Kos on the beach
It's a good interpretation
Her using the blood magic could be some sort of punishment for her in the nightmare. She has become everything she hated.
Probably my favorite character in all of bloodborne. Just in general an absolute amazing character
I watched someone do an analysis of her theme song from the perspective of an opera singer and he said, "They didn't have to go this hard!", and I said yes they did. She's trapped in a nightmare, wedged between her two greatest shames, and her hatred of herself.
Maria is my favourite Bloodborne character and always will be. Her fight, her weapon, her outfit, HER THEME her backstory. Gah! Everything about her is just so tragic and beautiful.
She low-key was trying to save me a controller from fighting the orphan of kos
Always thought that she probably took several steps to try and stop the church. Helping get the forbidden blood to cainhurst, and using the bells in the clocktower to make contact with Kos, becoming the host of this nightmare.
Maria is really one of my favourite video game characters of all time. Literally every detail and characteristic is done so damn well. Just got a figma figurine of her to display and it's so awesome.
Love ur shorts!
She was trying to save us from entering 'that' Well in the Fishing Hamlet...
One thing I noticed, when she first speaks to you she says that a corpse should be left alone, the obvious conclusion is that she's the corpse, after all the interaction prompt outright says "inspect corpse", however I believe she's talking less about herself and more about Kos, or some say Kosm, the corpse of a great one beached outside the fishing hamlet. She's hinting at what lies beyond, and telling you more directly to leave it alone, enforcing that with blade and blood.
I hope she finds peace in the end, if anyone in the nightmare deserve it, I believe she is one of the few who do.
"Aight ma'am I'll just go I'm not willing to catch that blade with my jaw"
Her inclination to keep you from sharing her fate reminds me a lot of Gehrman. Both of them tried to stop you defying everything, because doing so would be great punishment for you. Although, it might be a little more different for Maria, maybe it's not so much out of pure kindness and rather just the shame.
Her boss theme is the epitome of the word tragedy
I know I'm late to the party. But bloodborne was part of my bucket list and I'm not planning to end 2023 without finishing it.
And oh boy when I got to the orphan. The dialogue from Maria that corpse should be left alone. Finally clicked with me when I realized she's not pertaining bout herself but Mother kos and the orphah Itself was mindblowing.
Oh and there’s blood flowing down her blouse, possibly implying she also cut her own throat open at one point.
Definetly one of my favourite boss in all of Bloodborne, from the lore, the fights, and her design, is just simply magnificent.
I think she's also a reference to nightingale the nurse cuz her patients would worship her and even called out her name in their sleep and would worship even her shadow as she walked by their rooms
My personal favorite boss in the DLC and one of my overall favorite hunter battles.
Maria taught me something very important, parrying is op in Bloodborne
A horrible repeating cycle... Of my parries...
I love this boss, so much.
Loving these in-depth analysis of Bloodborne. One of my all time favourites games
I think she just doesn't want anyone to disturb the corpse of Mother Kos anymore, which is why she said "a corpse should be left well enough alone" she was talking about the corpse of Kos and I genunely don't think she cares about the player that much....
God I love these videos. Your analysis is wonderful, but your writing is brilliant.
Lady Maria, my beloved ❤️
I am trying to come up with a joke using the song "Dear Maria", but I'm drawing a blank
Not the same song, but there’s a few tutorials here for struggling hunters on How to Solve a Problem Like Maria 😉
@@vengefulpianist257 Nice 👍
Seems like she's written to be a pretty explicit critique of Mother Theresa, except now with a conscience.
This may just be a passing reference but seeking mercy reminds me a lot of the Marian Prayers in Catholicism (Hail Mary, Memorare et al.)
Hmmm. Never thought of this. Don’t really agree on the take though, her entire character’s built around forgiveness and shame for both her Cainhurst blood magic, and her actions in the hamlet. Mother Teresa doesn’t feel shame.
i love this content so much. BB is an endless wealth for these kinds of breakdowns and it really deserves it. these kinda games aren’t my thing but BB will always be a masterpiece to me. the story was just too captivating.
Great choice of weapon! I love the mobility of the Saif in transformed mode ❤️
Oh boy
We all know what ungodly abomination comes next
You got my respect for telling what it actually is (suicide) rather than those stupid things ppl here said to please yt with words like: deleted, unalived etc.
I love Maria both as a boss and as a character. It's, at least in my opinion the best one in Fromsoftware games and one of the best characters in Media as a whole.
Just a heads up, when she raided the fishing hamlet, she was still in byrgenwerth as the church didn't exist yet
She may be my favorite boss in any from soft game, from fight to lore I love her, and I love seeing the many interpretations of her story cause she in particular has many ways you can read her
No she's not fighting you to prevent you from suffering the same fate.
There's a secret behind the clocktower that she's ashamed of
Isn't it awesome how interesting and vast the bloodborne lore is. Even after all these years I'm still fascinated by it all.
Why am are all my names being used in this game?
32:38 how times have changed, they used to bug Graessle calling him during work, nowadays they just turn to him off screen to bug him during work.
She's one of my favourite characters, and definitely one of my favourite boss fights. Great fight, great storytelling
Our hunter def just different, we was warned hella and nun happened to us 😭
After i beat ds3, i came to bloodborne and when i got to Maria, she honestly felt like an abyss watcher. Her moves were so familiar and she was amazing!
I saw a short using the song “HellFire” throughout the fire with lady Maria, don’t know where the shirt went tho...
Maria is a very well structured boss fight she comes right after the easiest dlc boss and right before the hardest she’s also a boss that never feels easy and never feels so difficult that you want to throw your controller and her moves make it so the way you could beat her previous phase’s doesn’t work that well
If it’s a cycle does Maria come back in the nightmare after we kill her? Out of game does she return, cut wrists n all, and slumps back on the chair
I dont think so, ending the nightmare destroy that "dimension", remember micolash words when he dies "nooo now im waking up i forget everything" but since hes dead (in the real world) he cant wake up, same principle here
God such a good boss fight. Easily my favourite for sure
A corpse...should be left well alone... is so hard
Lady maria of the KYS tower
Obviously the true Lore Hunters know Ludwig killed Maria
The amount of backstory the game has that they don't flat out tell you is what makes FromSoft games so damn good to me in terms of story.
The fact that they desecrated a fishing village due to finding out a Great One washed on their shores is what makes her stand guard in the Hunter's Nightmare; to keep you from finding out the horrors they did, but that's their punishment.
Saif is the lady maria killer. Such a great weapon and so underused...
her fight was so beautiful i loved it
I know nothing about these games at all, not even a little. But these shorts somehow popped up and I kinda wanna watch a play through :D
I mean, you're in luck, I have one: ruclips.net/p/PLgXBK8VQ11v-7Dy73Hnqguwps02o3o1YC
damn she took the biggest wiff of me and now idk if i have the strength to fight her, WHAT. A TACTIC
I absolutely adore this fight one of my favourites
I am Maria, blade of Annalise.
I’ve never loved and wanted to save a woman, more than Lady Maria
The Beast Scourge was a curse placed upon anyone who would succumb to indulgence in the Old Gods’ blood and the power it holds, especially those who commit atrocities for the sake of their addiction. The Hunter’s Nightmare is a curse placed specifically Hunters who have committed the worst atrocities and have gone mad with their lust for blood and their lust for violence.
The Nightmare traps Hunters in an unending hellscape where they are forced to forever relive their worst crimes. This means that Maria was also driven mad by the crimes she had committed, and likely killed herself in the real world. But tragically death was only the catalyst for even more perpetual suffering. She is also the only Hunter we get to see who was directly involved in the atrocities of the Hamlet and the Medical Ward. Both were key events that offended the Old Gods enough to create the Nightmare in the first place.
So pretty much the entire Nightmare is a special hell crafted specially crafted to punish the one person lucid enough to feel remorse for her crimes. Gerhman
Is trapped in the Dream and the other Hunters that were involved, like Laurence, had succumbed to the Scourge and were reduced to mindless animals.
Just to show what a beautiful character design she is, my grandpa bought a VERY expensive like, statue of her??? Its maybe a foot tall and made with something heavy like ceramic. He didn't even know she was from something until I told him, just thinks its a hauntingly lovely figure and I agree! It's her sitting in the chair btw
Maria's garb is both regal AND still looks like a practical hunter garb, not unlike the default outfit for the hunter themselves. This takes a bit of an extra dimension when you consider the Doll, however, who is supposed to be a rereation of her. It's clear that the doll was not meant to be a true recreation of Maria, but instead a version of her that is more docile, more convenient, more fitting of gehrman's desires. Yet ANOTHER tally on the board of Bloodborne's overall themes of the violence done to women
untrue
@@user41413What part of the comment is… untrue?
Oh, I heard she committed suicide because of the things she did to kos
Thing is, she didn't end herself. She was killed. Cut content shows that the hunter NPC that accompanies you during the DLC does it to her.
I remember when I watched my cousin battle her for the first time.
It was love at first fight. 🤣
The blood seems to be coming from her neck rather than her wrists, her cravat is completely tainted
I don’t believe she wants to protect the hamlet to save the hunter. I believe she’s trying to maintain the nightmare and by extension the curse upon the hunters due to her disgust at what she and the hunters of the workshop were made to do to the residents of the real fishing hamlet(since the nightmare one isn’t real) and so she wants to stop you and break your spirit in the process.
Very smart Maria very smart
She reminds me of Sif
What's up with souls game protagonists going up to motionless, seemingly dead women and just touching their hand
I wonder if it would be possible to either get her out of the nightmare or change her mind somehow
bro chill we're listening
She is bloodbournes version of malenia
One correction Maria slit her own throat not her wrists, there is blood on the front of her shirt
mommy maria
Bloodborne is just soooooo damn human and I love it.
Lady Maria!!!
A mirmir.
Let's see...
Of my characters we have:
Chio: who spent thousands of years driven mad by the fae realm, only now waking up to what"s really going on and realizing the horrors his people have been subject to for millenia after being catapulted through time.
Izumi: a woman basically forced to sell her soul to a horrific organization to survive, and has been cursed to become a monster
Silvis: a forest spirit deprived of his natural home and what remains of him is slowly dying inside an abandoned suit of armor he took for a body.
Ishaan. Last of his kind, permanently scarred from the atrocity that took his people from him.
Pluck: killed in the death house
Faen: son of the most prestigious mages in the country but cursed with a strange affliction that deprives him of magic leading to him being abandoned by his family.
And damien: a tiefling man who lived his whole life believing that he was saved from abandonment by the circus he performed in, only to learn it was a lie and he was stolen as an infant.
Yeah... none of these are people i'd want to be
Whyd she yank us so close-
Maria was the only boss I beat on my first try in bloodborne. I probably couldn't recreate that fight even if I wanted to
I’ve never played Bloodborne & I have no intention to ever do so, (it’s just not my kind of game) but, after watching so many of your lore shorts I’m starting to think Bloodborne should be turned into an Anime already.
I may be missing something here, but wasn't the church more of a front for the scholars at thst College in the woods who did all the expirements and did what they did to the hamlet?
i heard the doll looks identical to her
When someone says "stuck in the nightmare", is that the Nightmare of Mensis, or the Hunter's Dream used to combat the plague of beasts? Or are they the same thing?
I remember thinking she was the final boss of the dlc she I lost quit a few time against her. Oh was a so wrong 😂😂
Im with her those sharks will hoont me for life
I like the cool lesbian with fiery blood swords 🥺
Cut content revealed that simon killed her
So in a previous build of the game, you actually talk to her before fighting
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