The Plain Doll is your faithful caretaker - she was built for that role || Bloodborne Analysis
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- My full analysis of Lady Maria: • Lady Maria (+ the Livi...
---
One minute hot takes are not the place for nuance, but my main channel is: / tbskyen
Find these shorts on TikTok: / tbskyen
Let's plays and livestreams: / 2bskyen
---
Support me on Patreon if you want to: / tbskyen
Tip me on Ko-fi: ko-fi.com/tbskyen
Join this channel to get access to perks:
/ @tbskyenshorts
---
#shorts #bloodborne
Boss Designs of Bloodborne: Lady Maria ruclips.net/video/2SkiNMwIycY/видео.html
Glorious! Glad to see you talking about the characters of other awesome games. Sad to see the narrative decline from League 😕 but all dreams must come to an end.
Hope it changes at some point, but soulsborne is pretty awesome too. 😉
One cannot comprehend my sheet delight after watching this video and clicking the link to see an hour long analysis, eatin that shit up
@@JJoJam 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😅😊
"Use her freely" after talking about the doll as an object never will not be creepy.
@@YOURteacher_100 no? she is a person, in the dream at least.
I’m sure it’s implied for dirty reasons, especially since it’s a big gothic/eldritch horror love letter
Especially since she's made to look like Maria who this old dude was creeping on
@@YOURteacher_100 yeah but even if she is "just a doll" she has feelings that she often states she worrys about us and gehrman even sitting at the grave to the nightmare likely praying to the trapped hunters she cares for us when we step in gehrman footsteps and when we become a great one. So yeah you could say she is just a doll or you could say that she is a good friend and trustworthy and caring companion
@@YOURteacher_100 that's your issue dude
"Of course... I do love you. Isn't that how you've made me?" The Doll. That dialogue says a lot about her and her creation.
Gives me shivers - so messed up
I just feel bad for her, honestly
Her comment about the love feels more questionable when you see the full quote about actually loving a thing because you made it. Idk if they meant that as a love like that .
"Hunters have told me about the church. About the gods, and their love. But... do the gods love their creations? I am a doll, created by you humans. Would you ever think to love me? Of course... I do love you. Isn't that how you made me?"
Shes doing a comparison of she loves you but she was made to so wouldn't man be made to love a god that created them. They could be indifferent to humans because we were just its creation but no matter what we will still love them due to our design
Basically to me it's unsettling but in a different way. Although Gerhman is still disgusting since the doll can only be seen alive with at least 1 Insight point so Gerhman has been possibly passing her off for those other "reasons" knowing she's sentient and can think while others probably don't
That did not feel nice to read, Jesus Christ.
@@klickonthat5244 Yeah, this game is fucked up :')
Words cannot express how freaked out I was when I found the Abandoned Old Workshop and saw the second doll... and its finger was twitching.
I do not remember that whaaat
@@treedude4246 use the monocular and zoom in on her finger
OH, oh that's-
So she's not just a figment of the dream but some horrid experiment then?
I wonder how that fits into the Lantern Singers theory. The Lantern Singers have a similar design to the doll but I forget how the rest of the theory goes
@@aria5614
they’re known as Winter Lanterns, and a channel called ‘Zillow the Witch’ goes over their design and data-diving. If you’re interested in learning a bit more about this and other soulsborne things.
While I don’t know the theory myself, I think it could be the previous dolls abandoned for one reason or another that got possessed as a byproduct of Gehrman’s n MP’s deal. Or they’ve formed from his obsession with Maria and rejection/disgust of the doll, birthing these warped things, though that might be head-cannon/hearsay.
@@tarinoblake381do you mean Zullie the witch?
"Use her freely"
Say no more.
*Proceed to become eldritch horror and use the Doll as a mother*
That would be the best ending if waking up wasn't the best ending.
@@saintjiubtheeradicatorwaking up just means the cycle continues and the hunter will end up like Eileen.
@@heyfell4301i thought it implied that you ended the dream cause didn't the sun come up in that ending? Or am I thinking of the wrong ending?
@@crowquet56it does but it's implied that bpth eileen and the ash hunter already went trough the dream, vut they aren't nearly as powerful as you are by the end game and the night seems to have gone completely out of control, basically destroyed the city and infected almost everyone when before it was relatively few people so things might have changed
Still it's implied that the cycle will repeat again next time that the moon presence will try to kill another old one
Nah nah, turn the doll into a horror
my headcannon is that since gherman was atracted to maria he made the doll as the perfect idealization he had of her, so he constructed the prefect ideal domestic woman, but in doing so completely missed the point of what he found atractive of her so none of the cualities of maria the hunter that he really wanted are in the doll. So now after so many years trapped in the hunters dream he coudnt care less about the doll and he woudnt bat an eye att whatever a new hunter would do to her
this feels like gherman tbh
This is even more horrifying to thing about it like that. He created her as a thing to possess, never giving her any will outside than the servile woman who loves him, but if a new hunter were to hurt her in the most cruel way, he wouldn't even care. I really pity her, because she is just the most tender being to encounter, a motherly figure to cherish. To thing Gerhman invites to such vileness... yeah, really I'm happy you become a harmless slug
The fact that when you give her the hair accesory it bring her to tears as if she has discovered new unknown feeling says a lot, we as a player are the first hunter in like forever to give a damn about her. In fact you can attack and temporally kill the doll anytime you want, not only gherman doesnt complain if you do but the doll will never stop adoring you... so yeah extra dose of messed up
This grammatical error is so bad it makes Hiroshima's funny mushroom planting sequence looks like another Elmore's episode.
Well english is not my first language and the phone autocorrect also doesnt help
Worst part is, I'm not sure whether we're supposed to see the Doll separate from her creation. Like, is she her own independent creature with desires of her own? Or is she in mind, as in body, just a doll?
I believe the squid ending is meant to be a chance that she might progress passed her limitations and become a true caretaker to the next Outer God and have a chance to influence things herself.
Honestly the amount of BB fans unironically calling her "the best waifu" always creeped me out.
The Plain Doll is the best waifu in the game because everyone else wants to kill us there or are dead
I think @Maso is on the right track with this. As you gain more echos (otherworldly power), she mentions that "your presence soothes." I believe there is a will within the doll, but not one Gherman put there. She's a servant to something other that is trying to facilitate your "evolution."
She always struck me as having a mind of her own, just not aware she can access it until we give her the stone and ascend in the true ending. Like, she's not Maria, certainly not. But I don't think she's "just" a doll.
@@MasoTrumoi She's the best by default because literally everybody else wants to kill the hunter
"Use her freely"
Well, I guess I will be the 7year old girl who will take care of the doll and braid her hair because that will be the kindest content in the entire game....oh and that one baby that's being suited with a toy jukebox
Me, after several hours of dying my way through these games: "Aren't you tired of going apeshit? Don't you just want to be nice?"
@@bimates2690that, or this person has decided to be a contrarian in the best way.
@@amiefortman7220 EXACTLY! Like, that’s why I love the Chapel Dweller, he’s exactly who I wanna be in the Souls/Bloodborne games; I wanna protect and help folks, mend the world around me, heal things. He’s a good sod, my favorite character in all the games.
@@bimates2690 Thinking of doing anything but a kindness of some sort says a lot about you I think, what exactly it says I refuse to think about
Have time for Christ?
Ephesians 6:10-18 says,
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints. The bible is no old book. You have to really let Christ open your eyes; to see the world in shambles. Many people say it's a religion to lock up people in chains, and say it's a rule book.. why? Because people hate hearing the truth, it hurts their flesh, it's hurts their pride, it's exposes on what things have they done..people love this world so much, s*x, money, power, women, supercars.. things of this world. Still trying to find something that can fill that emptiness in your heart. You can't find that in this world.. only in Christ, the bible is no chains, it's a chainbreaker. Breaking your sins into pieces... Repent now, and turn back to the true Lord only.. God bless. ❤
The way I see it, the Doll is pretty much a Victorian mourning doll, a doll made to help grieve a lost child. I prefer to believe that Gerhman and Maria's relationship was one of a father-daughter, mentor-student. When Maria committed suicide, Gerhman coped by creating the Doll, and when the Moon Presence brought her to life, it resembled nothing of the daughter figure he once loved. Gerhman does not care what we do with Doll because it is a constant unbearable reminder of Maria's suicide and his failure at protecting her. I think this is much more in line with the tragedy of this game and serves as a parallel to the Great Ones and their own grief of lost children, particularly Kos and the Orphan.
that's good interpretation not to mention that doll in the dream is quite possibly another great one if her "blood" is the way it is for a reason
Maria committed suicide?
@@Aegon6 yup because of unbearable guilt she felt
That's overly charitable of you.
@@diooverheaven6561 Guilt for what?
It is worth noticing, as some in the comments have already noted, that despite the absolutely maidenless amount of thirst wich led to the Doll's creation... Gehrman is never seen with her. He only mentions her once, never speaks to her, he's never even seen in the same room as her. This implies that after the deed was done and the Doll was made, he eventually realised she lacked all the qualities of her model, due to being based on his fantasies of Maria rather than the actual person.
Wich leads to the possibility of him actually realising that said fantaisies were false and objectifying, a fact wich, given his tendencies for guilt and self loathing (or at least self-depreciation), must have gotten him quite disgusted with himself, rightfully so of course.
Yeah, that.
Or fromsoftware can't be bothered to animate two npcs interacting.
In short Ghurman's post nut clarity was so powerful he had to put himself as far as he could be from her
@@efecaktl5432 yeah, if anything guilt over the action. He still sees her as just an object
@@efecaktl5432 he's most likely just refering to leveling up but i get what you mean.
Stories like these usually end with the man being disgusted with *their creation* for being defected and imperfect and judging by "use her" this is sorta the case here too.
As much as I like saint riots theory that gherman is actually terrified of the doll, whispering so that whatever *thing* animates his work of manic obsession wont hear him, it's a hard angle to justify when the thing hes whispering about implies his ongoing possessiveness of her
That would be very cool, but yeah. Especially since like, she wheels him about if I recall?
Wait bloodborne is about sexual violence against women, I thought it was about why I should never go to England
Well, you say potato...
Dont be schizophrenic in london or you’ll hallucinate giant squids
Even though the people are British, the landscape was based on Old Prague.
@@Elden-Bear is that a Kraken reference?
Have time for Christ?
Ephesians 6:10-18 says,
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints. The bible is no old book. You have to really let Christ open your eyes; to see the world in shambles. Many people say it's a religion to lock up people in chains, and say it's a rule book.. why? Because people hate hearing the truth, it hurts their flesh, it's hurts their pride, it's exposes on what things have they done..people love this world so much, s*x, money, power, women, supercars.. things of this world. Still trying to find something that can fill that emptiness in your heart. You can't find that in this world.. only in Christ, the bible is no chains, it's a chainbreaker. Breaking your sins into pieces... Repent now, and turn back to the true Lord only.. God bless. ❤
In the spanish dub Gherman says the line "even the doll should it please you" with the same cordial and afable tone that he was using and honestly with the whole subtext it makes the whole thing even more messed up.
Honestamente estoy impresionado con el nivel de calidad que tiene el doblaje de Bloodborne
@@n00423e que yo sepa solo están doblados el bloodborne el sekiro y el remake del demon souls, estaba seguro que iban a doblar el elden ring pero al final nanai
Look at the japanese dub (the og one). He said he and the doll were both tools
the doll is also not the only one taking pointers from maria.
the winter lanterns, those horrible singing things that cause frenzy when you get near them, are doll bodies with heads consumed by a mass of messengers, eyes and sinew.
I find it interesting that once the player character has been touched with a bit of insight of the true horrors of the world, the doll appears to us. From that point on she exists to make us stronger, that we may face the terrible night. It's a much more motherly read of the character, which is interesting when you consider the player's potential fate of turning into an infant Great One.
Honestly, this seems much closer to the truth than the video. I actually quite dislike the video’s take on this topic, I think it’s reductive and insulting considering the amount of detail you can find about her. Even Eileen thinks of her fondly and asks you (admittedly a little sarcastically) to say hi to Doll for her.
Ultimately I think the video says more about its writer than about the game, but maybe I’m just being salty at that point.
@@protatype7487honestly yeah the guy just seems like he’s just shelving his own weird beliefs in the game
I feel like the Doll is a sort of coping mechanism made for the hunters, since Gerham was the one who made her the form she took was that of Maria as a form of both messed up comfort and familiarity, but every hunter other than her has had different ways of coping with the stress of the hunt and eventually led to Gerham losing connection to the doll because of how inhuman it was with how Adoring it is even after the worse abuse with him not even trying to interact with it leading to you being the only one who really "cared" for the doll during all those time
Reading the 'use her freely' line in a non sexual light, it could be about how traditionally, women societally are forced into a role in which they are forced to provide free labor (cooking, cleaning, taking care of children, being sympathetic to the woes of her husband while voicing no woes of her own). The doll being a motherly caring type and nothing else really fits that theme. It reminds me a lot of the article "I want a wife" by Judy Brady.
I just read that essay
“Free labour” ☠️☠️☠️
@@gascogne so free that she had to provide for herself without the husband paying a cent? 💀💀💀
No
@neil because historically women didn't have (and still don't in some places) any choice in the matter. That's the only thing they could or were allowed to be. For centuries women have been forced to marry men, have children, and be caretakers of the house, children, and even their husbands while being given no free will to choose if they wanted to have that life or not. While some women do choose to be housewives and nothing else, many women don't because that's not what they want, while years ago they would have been horrifically shamed or abused into being that (and again in some places a lot of women still are being forced to be housewives with no choice in the matter)
I always saw her as simply a friend in the bleakness of Yharnam, someone who would always be there, even when things got bad.
“Use her freely”
*sends her as a weapon in eastern Sweden*
Speaking of the general violence theme.
My interpretation for 'use her freely' is about unleashing upon here physical violence and killing here without thinking. She is a doll, not a person, not an individual.
And Gehrman can always "fix her up" in the future. So "breaking the toy" would not hurt much.
I feel like the Doll is really the only character who gets a happy ending in the true ending. She was created to be a slave to mankind and wound up being the mother of a god, and it seems to be going better for her than Queen Yharnam.
Gehrman may have originally made the doll for fantasy purposes (read fantasy however you want: sexual, grief, etc), but due to her being so similar to Maria yet with such striking inconsistency he realized the doll’s truth and now he’s terrified of it
He didnt. In the victorian era, people made dolls to mourn loved ones
Apparently, he never knew the doll was alive.
The doll dresses the way she does on her own volition. Gehrman wanted a 2nd Maria with him in the Hunter’s Dream but when The Moon Presence gave him the doll she was nothing like Maria. Hence why Gehrman resents the doll…
But... In Victorian Era it was common for people to make dolls of close relatives they were mourning (Mainly children which would show more father-daughter relationship is anything). I really don't think there's anything creepy about it, Gherman is just extremely sad
What does "use the doll" mean if put into this context?
@@BrightBlueInk Use her to level up? As companion? As you do in the game?
@@tiredoccultist8196Also souls characters are known to end their dialogue in a creepy laugh for no reason.
I don't see why Gherman is the exception
@@DoNotFuss also also, it could just be Gherman being teasing towards us, truth be truth, in a way to help him cope with Maria's suicide
i think its the fact that she doesnt really look like Maria in way she is dressed and how she act. If she was 1:1 lady Maria or more Maria-ish I would read it as this as well, but she is so feminized that its indeed creepy
It’s theorised by the people into the lore that this is actually the sort of costume Maria may have worn when she was serving in the choir’s hospital wings. That after abandoning her weapons she abandoned the lifestyle as well.
Also theorised as to why the doll exists is that she was made to be a caretaker for the moon presence’s child when Gehrman and Laurence attempted to commune with it.
Wish people would stop saying Gehrman is some sexual weirdo. It's literally just a mistranslation in the original japanese ver. he literally says both him and the doll are tools available for use. Which they literally are.
oh yeah that's definitely less creepy
@@TBSkyenShorts Absolutely. He still does the weird fromsoft npc laugh when he finishes speaking, but that's it. By his own admission, both he and the doll are tools for use. He provides all kinds of knowledge and the doll helps you level. You can definitely still say he's creepy/weird for making the doll in the first place and for whatever else, but this same line that everyone tries to use doesn't work once you realize it's a translation error.
After hearing about the localizers purposely changing things I believe it.
@@nidohime6233 She IS a tool. Her whole purpose is to help you level up.
@@nidohime6233Obiously we do get attached to the doll, but the conciousness created by the moon presence that inhabits the doll is a tool for hunters to level up. You're also ignoring the fact that by that logic, he is calling himself a tool too, with all the umplications that has. The doll being an entity made to replicate Ghermans student, who killed herself, completely justifies him not wanting to adknowledge her as a living being.
Ya know...every time i see one of the shorts and hear about the creature/character/story, i say "Well it cant get more messed up can it?"
Oh how foolish i am
You are indeed a great fool. For this be FromSoft, masters of the absolutely messed up. No man, woman, or even child is safe. Or need I remind you of the fate of Father Gascoigne's family?
Is it just me or are her arms like.... Very long
Yes they are
@@thesaviorofsouls5210 that's a nice detail, thanks for sharing
Ik it's prolly just a style thing but it's also cool cause many higher end ball jointed dolls have elongated figures so it adds to her being a doll
I think FromSoft just thinks super elongated arms make for a cool silhouette. You can see it in some DS3 characters too, like Pontiff Sulyvahn
This is a consistant style thing that gets more dramatic as the games go on. If u watch a model swap mod that puts diff chars in Sekiros place its rly easy to tell.
"....Even the doll, should it please you" concerned me more than 90% of the horrors faced in my entire playthrough.
I guess that says a lot about ourselves as the player if “use her freely” is mainly focused on leveling and purchasing. Definitely would change the overall perspective of the game if there were other options that could be done with the doll.
…
You know, like taking the RE4 approach and deciding if you want to blow up the merchant, you can but you’re stuck with no means to buy or upgrade?
There was a similer idea in bloodborne.
the only difference would be that you could still level up by using her but she would be a lifless body.
they ended up scraping the idea.
@@tomm1222 no that's still possible if you have no insight which makes sense in lore since she is brought to life via the moon presence
@@grimdarkness2137 good point forgot about that.
Surprised you didn’t mention what happens when you give her the small hair ornament !
In 60 seconds? What would you have cut to make room for that?
@@TheEnigmaticKasai Mm, I dunno I’m not a video maker haha i was just surprised lol
What happens?
@@lillian2342 She holds it in her hands and then seemingly wipes a tear from her face. She acts incredulous at first, then confused about what she's feeling, and finally she asks "Dear hunter, is this joy?". After the interaction is over you get her tear, which you can use to power up your weapon (it gives a small healing buff, 1hp per tick).
@@saphiwrathit’s likely one of, if not THE only kind thing someone did for her.
By "use her freely" could that include letting her be Player 2 on smash bros or nah?
Not quite the same thing but, 1) you can dress up like the doll, and even remake your character to look like her. 2) you can invite other hunters in your world, or visit them. So in a way, you can have the doll fight with you
Gehrman also constructed the Doll after Maria committed suicide, which makes it even creepier
Thats what victorian mourning dolls are for, to mourn a loss of a loved one.
The Doll is a Great Old One...in the secret ending, she chose to adopt you after your rebirth.
Accepting a surrogate child...just like her kin. She is the Pale Blood after all.
The doll is the only sane being I could rely on within that dream…
While creepy in any reading I always took the doll's appearance to be more about Gerhman's desire to be free of the hunt and as such she wears traditional clothing. Like the clothing was a default cause the old man couldn't truly see a world free of the hunt so his dream version substitutes a norm where his imagination fails him.
Unless you look at her as a mourning doll he created after the real Maria killed herself. Imo there’s a good argument that she was a surrogate daughter for him and he felt immense guilt after she took her own life since he trained her, so he made the doll irl before the moon presence showed up and then when it did it animated her and he was like, ‘what the fuck.’ That being said, still a weird thing to do and say about her but the Victorians were wack and I doubt he sees the doll as anything but a horrific misremembrance that he didn’t want to be alive in the first place. Who knows though, I just like that idea more than ‘creepy horny guy’. Fits bloodborne’s themes more to me
Personally, I've always thought that the reason why Gehrman seeming indifference, or even hate for the doll is because it is a failure. Gehrman's failed attempt at reviving Maria and a living reminder of his failure.
Gehrman, who had one leg, STANDS UP and tries to kill us so he could free us rather than him being freed and the player would keep suffering. I don't think he fits the creepy old man character.
His first creepy action was recreating lady maria 💀💀
Bro recreated maria, stripped that recreation of everything that isnt her body and told you to "use her freely"
Irl that would land you at least a restraining order
He is creepy but hes not heartless
@@user-ut4tk4ph5z if I'm not wrong didn't he said the same thing about himself?
Ever heard of grey morality? Even the most heroic people aren’t flawless.
Gherman isn’t some “creep old man” he and Maria had a very fond relationship of each other and were old hunters. While making a doll is very weird he did it as a way to cope with Maria’s suicide and the moon presence brought her to life and then gherman isn’t even seen near her. If you wanted to explor the themes of abuse of women you should have talked about Queen Yarnams child mergo
I love the doll, she is such a fascinating character, in design, in lore, in everything.
I feel like it's worth noting that the lasciviousness of this line is only present in the English dub. The way it was translated and the delivery make it sound perverse, but in Japanese it's clear that Gehrman just means 'you can use her to level up'
Sure, but the English version is the one I played
So essentially it's the 1.0 version of Ranni's goal being completely mistranslated in ER, nice to know.
@@TBSkyenShortsSure, but the Japanese version is the original version and the one that reflects the intentions of the creators and the work in general when it comes to what a character says or does, as such, is the one you should consult before crafting wild theories and spreding conclusions that, by their nature of incompletion and lack of comprehension, amount to missinformation, even if such wasn't your intention.
@@hectorhernandezaleman3836don't bother, TBSkyen isn't know for his humility
"I mean it's not great, but Gerhman is trapped for eternity with a doll that isn't even a real person"
When they realize that Gerhman created the doll BEFORE the dream
My interpretation of Gerhman whispering that to you was always that he was terrified of this thing. If you think about it, he made this doll out of grief for his apprentice that he clearly loved dearly, the nature of that love being irrelevant. And then once he gets trapped inside a dream forever, the reminder of all of his failures and loss comes to life in a twisted, subservient visage. I know I would be horrified.
She was built for comfort and does have everything for the lonely hunter
I always saw the doll as the Moon Presence's way of helping you, like how it "helps" you in the Honoring Wishes ending
I imagine the lore was Gehrman trying to pull the moves on Lady Maria but she told him to eff off. So out of sadness, created the doll to crush the dussy.
you explain your keen insight (lol) so freaking well and in such a concise, clear manner. yours are the best written shorts I've ever watched and I love learning about the niche bits of the Souls games I've played & have yet to play
Even years later and multiple play throughs, watching and listening to Bloodborne lore never gets old. A true testament to the masterpiece that is Bloodborne.
That a crazy deduction that I definitely didn’t make while playing
SPOILERS I always see the secret ending of bb as an ending made for the doll. An object turned into a wielder of enormous power and mother figure for the next age. I love bb sm
I don't think Gherman meant for her to be subservient when he made the doll, it's stated that he missed having Maria around, and thus made the doll in her image. Perhaps this is what Maria wore when the hunt was off, but either way Gherman grew weary and disappointed with the doll because she wasn't like Maria, as such he doesn't really talk or spend time with her. I think that the moon presence gave the doll life and gave her this subservient personality as a means of keeping hunters in line when they pass through the dream, as well as a means of ensuring Gherman knows he has no control here and serves to help new hunters, not meant to spend time with his old apprentice.
However I want?
I now headcanon my hunter hugs her and cries and screams himself to sleep. Not because of the horrors or trauma but because he's so sad about what happened to Viola and Gascoigne.
Jokes on him, all she gets from me is headpats.
"even the doll should it please you"
always put me a little on edge, what with me being very uncomfortable with the topics bloodborne covers (which i only really realized after my naive teen years)
she's been my favourite since i heard her voice and i would die for her
I heard somewhere that gherman was in love with lady maria, and after being trapped in the hunter’s dream for so long tried to replicate what he remembered of her
The dude is being kept alive and suffering for all eternity by a lovecraftian Old One
Can you blame him for at least wanting a loving companion?
Yes.
@@Dragosmom.?
Why?
Bruh really out here sharing his RealDoll with the homies.
I always imagine that the crack on the dolls face was Gehrmans doing as well.
agreed but not in a sexual violence way. but out of fear for what the doll is and what it's 'sipposed' to represent but isn't anywhere near it.
While i do see feminine themes in bloodborne and gehrman’s use of maria’s likeness for a romantic partner is sad and creepy I dont think the doll is supposed to be him asserting her place as a house wife. Instead I draw the connection thar jsf made to the doll representing the gentle part of maria that took care of the patients of the lecture hall while her hunter half, her violent half rests in the nightmare.
Damn that hunter has nice cake
I heard the theory of Gehrman beating in love with Lady Maria but apparently the feelings were not reciprocated so he created the Doll on her image trying to make her be like Maria but the Doll’s personality was completely different, opposite you could say and that’s why he kinda toss it to you, cause she was not Maria
I always assumed he meant the empowerment through blood echoes
"stand close... close your eyes. Let me feel your strength"
While I don’t think your interpretation is unreasonable, I think he’s more scared of the doll than anything. For whatever reason he made the doll, he probably didn’t expect an eldritch being to come along and make it sentient. Its probably not what he wanted.
"Use her freely"
Don't mind if I do!
*Gives her a bow after each conversation*
Yeah i don't think gerhman was that interested in "yassifying" maria, it was more like a pitiful way to mourn a dear friend of his, dressing her up as a doll and taking her away from all that hunting business.
Later, years go by and he realizes she is not just a shadow of what maria once was, she is also an automaton of sorts for the moon presence to pump all those sweet echoes into the hunter. No wonder he couldn't care less about her, hell, if you want her take her, she is all yours.
distressing is a great way to describe this whole ordeal 😭
Never really thought about it like that but geez it kinda makes sense now😭
Contrary to the horniness of most players, Gerhman actually says the infamous line with great fear in his voice, almost as if he wasn’t the one who brought the doll to life….enter Moon Presence.
I'll never see The Doll in the same light after reading Redgrave's lore analysis
Link?
@@nazgulanon933 it's a long read, but it is _so_ worth it
@@Konpekikaminari yeah but do you have a link
Gehman has also a book called "how to pick up fair maidens", so i guess he was onto some maidenless behavior.
Pretty sure Maria and Gherman's relationship is like father and daughter. The doll is a failure in Gherman's head and he cannot see it as Maria. Btw she killed herself after her journey of being an hunter.
I also remember the lore saying that gherman feels some regret towards the creation of the doll. Wether he realised or not, in trying to carve the object of his desire into the image of a perfect wife he scraped away any semblance of the person he loved.
Well considering Gerhmans fate till we release him , u can imagine his loneliness.
I like to imagine Maria rejected her roles in society and would've rather been a hunter, such that Gerhman in his love of her felt rejected in a way so he made the doll to have not only a useful companion but also to keep Maria with him. Maria likely never knew about the doll but she likely felt very pressured given everyone's expectation of her to her own desires, probably at best just wanting to hunt then retire to work at the healing church to help people.
Oh I know what Gehrman means alright, he clearly means that she'll be our uncondicional emotional support whom will be there for us if we need a hug or someone to talk about the eldritch shenanigans that terrorize the land.
Absolutely maidenless behaviour there Gherman.
I just wanted her to hug me.
the fact that shes outside and he lets others do what they please with her makes me think that he had come to dislike her presence to a point as well
So basically... Gehrman is fking chad.
If u wanna call a gooner a chad then sure but there’s better things to call a chad
funny comment lol
I've never played Bloodborne, first time hearing of this character, I want to give her a hug.
We all do, but by the end the hug isn’t for her anymore.
THE DISRESPECT calling German a creepy old man FOR SHAME!!!
Me spending an hour or so entertaining the doll with gestures and expecting her reaction
I thought Bloodborne was about killing a spider, baby, and moon god to stop them from taking eyes and giving people cursed blood
It is. Idk where people get the idea that the game is centered around the 'plight of women.' It's a game about humans who, driven by curiosity and a desire to be more than what they are, take something that didn't belong to them and, as a cruel irony, turned them into monsters. The only point where women, specifically, become relevant is when we find out that the Great Ones are incapable of having children by their own means and the humans decide to use that fact to fulfill their curiosity and women JUST SO HAPPEN to be the version of our species that produce children.
They don't "take eyes," they are gained from knowlege and the cursed blood wasn't given to them by the old gods, it was because of Byrgenwerth. So even in that surface level analysis, you got everything wrong lol
really takes things into a new context
The way Gehrman speaks of the doll gives off feelings of disappointment. The doll was never going to be the replica of Maria he hoped it would be. So its safe to say when it came to life in the Hunter's Dream, Gehrman was likely saddened by the fact that he will never be able to express his feelings to the real Maria who is long dead. And the doll cannot ever be a substitute for her.
I think thats where his disdain and lack of care for the doll comes from. He doesnt care how the player uses it because to him its just a reminder of his regrets. Of which there are many, as his sleep talking and the Old Hunters DLC imply.
The doll is wearing the same outfit as the “winter lantern” enemies in the game, and I wonder what that’s supposed to imply about either party, be it design, or lore-focused intent.
An interesting point was made a few comments above- Winter Lanterns appear only within the nightmare and look to be a vile twist on the only 2 things the player would find comforting in Bloodborne-
The Doll and The Messengers
@@Konpekikaminari by extension of the player all Hunters.
Gehrman created this doll for himself. true it sounds disgusting but allowing hunters to "use" her kinda helps them on their hunt.
hunting beasts once humans, monstrosities from nightmares and eldrich creatures. While witnessing suffering of men woman and children in it's hunt.
Having a comforting figure after all of that possibility helped a lot of hunters to maintain sanity for longer preventing more suffering.
The doll and the music definitely helped me chill out after dying to the orphan of kos on ng+5 25 FUCKING TIMES. I damm near started screaming like the orphan itself
But how does the doll relate to the Winter Lanterns? That’s the question that always accuses to me when talking about her design.
the winter lanterns are a warped version of the doll, they take one of the only things the player finds comforting in the dreary world and turn it into something to scare them- like a nightmare. at least this is how i see it.
it is also worth mentioning that there are messengers stuck to their heads and they sing a lullaby the doll was supposed to sing but got cut out of the game, you can still find the voice line though.
@@nishihii I have never been sure if the lanterns are a warp version of her, or if she is a warped version of the lanterns. In a way, both bring you to deeper levels of madness, but has a sane mind ever produced anything of true significance?
@@CubedQ
Note the areas where we encounter Winter Lanterns. They are only found in Nightmares, my friend.
@@protatype7487 and the doll, the living doll, is found in a dream.
She is still a doll, the player's descent to insanity brings her to life, in their mind ("do with her what you will"), like a refuge in a nightmare, just like the hunter's dream.
I quite like the doll. The world of yharnam is a damn nightmare and seeing a friendly face between hunts is the only thing keeping me from losing my shit to tilt and rage at losing 8k blood echos for the 5th mfing time cause an enemy snuck me at low health.
As for Gerhman, I never got the vibe he was a perv. Just a lonely old man who could use the company, however brief. Kinda sucks he up and disappears for most of the game
"Even the doll should it please you"
Someone from a certain website took that seriously
I'd like to think that Gehrman says what he says in the way that he does because he lose whatever affection he has for it overtime since it's just not the same as the real Lady Maria.
Let’s not forget that when you find the doll in the abandoned work shop she’s still animated and has a third of umbilical chord as a pick up. Either the moon presence used her as a surrogate or gherman being the surrogate child of the moon presence (up to interpretation) impregnated the doll himself
“Use her freely”
“I do need a therapist…”
Another interesting detail that most people don't seem to notice is that the Doll's face is cracked, which leads to some pretty disturbing implications.
Like someone hitting the doll? ) :
@@tnl-warrior3218 Never. :3
Big slip
I haven't even played the game as its not my esthetic, but wow these shorts are good!
Gehrman when he tells people to use the doll to level up but everyone takes it the wrong way :
*Insert* *Kiryu* *slamming* *a* *table* *here*
It doesn’t help that when you hit her, a white liquid splattered instead of blood.
You hit the doll?! You fiend! You are not wanted here!
That’s cosmic kin blood.
@@Blue_snapdragonscoom
@@Blue_snapdragons It certainly could create kin, if you're not careful
Why would you do that? She's the only unconditionally friendly face