Here’s How Much TIME & MONEY It Costs to Drive The New EV Ford Lightning Cross Country! Part 2 of 2
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Quick calculations here: You guys spent $193 INCLUDING 3 free “top offs” of 183.65 KWh @ $0.43=$79 free charging=$272 total for 1225 miles. I drive to Iowa from central texas every year, total 1100 miles one way in my ‘17 Escalade ESV, averaging almost 20 mpg. Even at $5/gallon, $280 is my total. I’ll gladly pay the extra few bucks for the ONE stop I make versus the 11 you guys did. Those free “top offs” aren’t gonna be free forever. 😉 Plus, we’ll assume when more people demand electric charging the rates are gonna go up, just like gas prices. 😎
Prices are high on the road. At home where most evs do 99% of their charging, prices are 8-13 cents a kWh. About 4 times cheaper than what they were paying.
Yes best comment here. People act like electricity is free it simply is not and it is getting more expensive up about 30% this year in my state because we are over using it.
Road trip prices will be about equal long term imho. Which is why in bed generators will be popular.
However the HUGE savings for in town daily work, far lower maintenance and longer lifespan of the vehicle make an electric a better buy for a real work truck.
Also if they don’t install enough chargers you may be waiting for hours for an open charger. Sounds miserable, what happens in the case of a power outage do the chargers still work?
@@maroownr861 yep, now is actually the time to own EV and road trip. Everywhere they went it seemed they were the only electric car/truck. Can you imagine when tons of these are actually on the road and every third charger doesn't work and they have not built enough to handle the need.
I'm picturing myself trying to find ways to entertain young kids on a road trip while the truck is charging. Walking around Walmart would get old fast. Plus all the money I would save on gas would probably get spent on random stuff I wouldn't be buying normally while waiting for the truck to charge.
you dont need to. if theyve got phones theyll entertain themselves. hell my brother and i had original gameboys and we would play that shit by streetlight and moonlight on roadtrips at night until they released the little light bars for them.
Some self control
And that is why Tesla has RUclips , Netflix, Disney plus, Hulu, games, karaoke.
@@WhiteWi are you unable to watch Netflix on the f150 lightning while charging?
You just have to plan more thoroughly than with an ICE car. Plan on longer charges being at places you can eat dinner and have shorter stops at bathroom/walk around stops...and yeah...phones/tablets to entertain the kids...if you don't have a Tesla where entertainment is built into the car. It's different than road tripping in an ICE car, no doubt about that. But unless you're road tripping all the time (and I mean LONG road trips) it's not bad at all...I find the more frequent stops relaxing...and as DC fast charging becomes more common that planning aspect will lessen as well.
I've done a ton of cross-country driving and I know a few times ive pushed it to less than a 1/8 of a tank and 2 times ive pulled up in the middle of nowhere to a closed-down gas station and the next one was really far away and I ended up driving a while with the gas light on, and that was just going to the next gas station. I couldn't imagine being low on battery and trying to find the next charger in the middle of new mexico.
I'd strongly consider putting keeping a small Honda generator and a few gallons of gas in the bed. I'm kind of kidding, but also not. 😂
@@Nick-ds6oc Look into a trailer-mounted diesel generator so you can engage in interstate travel.
Yea new mexico sucks
How about buying 2 Lightning trucks - one is "towed" in reverse and used to charge the pulling vehicle (like trains do).
@@justinpenn9250 🤔 Maybe stick a few windmills on the roof while we're at it!
I can't imagine doing that during winter time, definitely good for daily driver commute, but not for long road trips, technology is not all there yet.
And when do you think batteries will improve enough? They’ve barely gotten any better in the last 10 years.
Once Ford upgrades their vehicles to accept current state of the art fast charging at 250kW, charging time decreases by 50%, so any bathroom break will effectively be enough time to charge back up to 80%. You have to take breaks I gather even in winter.
All the anti-EV people are now pretending to be extreme and frequent road trippers when in reality the average driving distance in the US is 26 miles per day.
@@sv650nyc7 believe me you dont buy a truck that expensive just to drive it 26 miles....
Lithium prices have skyrocketed too. Elon said that he's had to raise prices I think twice in the last year or so as a result. We don't want to put our necks in a noose for rare earth metals that are owned by people who don't like us. Okay, they hate us and want our destruction, China and Russia.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 The batteries don't need to be better. There just needs to be more charger locations.
If you are driving locally and charging at home EVs are super convenient. From my experience though, if you have to use public charging it can turn into a real pain in the butt. That could really be frustrating on long road trips.
I agree. I look forward to what the technology is in about 15 or so years. The wizards need to develop batteries that can fully charge in under 10 minutes to be convenient for road trips. The infrastructure is lagging behind too.
Exactly. EVs are a perfect fit for many, many drivers but they don't work well in some applications. It would work very well for me.
U think
That was very insightful. I never thought about it that way. They should hire you for their thinking division.
I wouldn't want to travel on a network like this, but the Tesla network is a amazing and charges much faster. I drove all around the Southwest in a 2012 Model S, mind you, only 280 miles or range and the charging was pretty seamless. Never really had to wait longer than I wanted to.
I just say Hybrids are the next logical step for the near future.
And more eco-friendly to manufacture
Absolutely ford maverick hybrid gets crazy fuel economy. Cheaper than charging the lightning I'd bet.
Yup plus not everyone lives near a charging station hence the ICE of a hybrid. What people don't understand is that we need a gradual transition into new tech to lessen reliance on oil. I'm all for new tech but not by ripping off the reliance on fossil fuels. My personal favorite hybrid right now is the Rav4. The mavericks are amazing little trucks and I hope they spark a trend of small utility vehicles that are cheap well built and are great on gas
@@tylerd8516 Ford lightning is still 33-50% cheaper to charge than a Ford maverick hybrid is to drive w/ gas cost
@@gregb9264 the Hybrid Maverick let's say gets 32 hwy. With 13.8 tank size at $5 is theoretically the same price as the charging stations. Also your not putting in the charging they got for free. Doing that EV Lightning is more expensive in that aspect as well. Idk where you get your numbers from.
Thanks Roman and Andre. You two work well together and the banter is very friendly. Your videos are very informative and entertaining and in my opinion, unbiased
I guess the energy required to move all that mass goes up with the square of velocity so I can see how that would be power hungry at higher speeds. Thanks for sharing your experience and the stoppage numbers, etc. Very enlightening. I would still want a gas vehicle for anything requiring more than a battery's worth of distance in a day. For day to day use, I could see myself doing this. Cross country not so much. Appreciate it guys. Great work.
-move all that mass- move all that drag area
Driving at 70 mph requires twice the power of driving at 55 mph, at least to overcome the wind resistance. Power required for wind resistance is proportional to the cube of velocity. The force is proportional to the square of the velocity.
@@paulvansteenberghe4644 i konw on my tesla the sweet spot is 70
This Alaska trip is going to be a month long series! I enjoy seeing the long trips from an ev perspective. But when time is money, "aint nobody got time for that"
What TFL guy(s) get to do the Alaska trip??
Maybe Case and Tommy the Young bucks of tfl?
Whoever does, I hope they bring plenty of overlanding gear. They can camp out in the truck while charging
How about chargers on the road to Alaska. I guess you can put a gas powered generator in the back of your truck along with some full gas cans for charger purposes if they would work.
@@doublebackagain4311 Yeah. I can't wait to watch it; but I hope they bring the ZR2 as a support vehicle to carry solar generators, spare tires, and maybe some camping gear. Not a lot of places to stop up there.
I take many road trips, and I agree that it's the journey/adventure that's enjoyable, but wow...having to stop to charge every 200 or so miles, and always having to plan the next charge stop would be maddening. Wow...really makes me rethink buying an EV anytime soon.
Stopping every 3 hours is maddening? I would say it's near perfect for bathroom time and a leg stretch.
@@TheAndrwwJohnson thats fine if it was a 10 min stop but these are all 30+ minite stops
I agree 100%! It will never get straight. Can you imagine the chaos if there are four cars/trucks that need a charge and only one outlet?
@@TheAndrwwJohnson That's because you've never driven any distance. If you pee that much, wear a diaper.
The more people that convert the longer the waits will become. It will take years to get infrastructure in place for widespread use of EVs.
The camera mounted at the top of the windshield where the rearview mirror is mounted depends on the windshield being clean and not being obstructed and that includes heavy rain or sometimes even being in the dark will obstruct the view. It also needs fairly decent painted road lines to determine where you are inside the lane or else it may not work properly.
I stopped at some of these stations when I picked up my IONIQ5 from a dealer in NY and drove it all the way back to CA a few weeks ago. Great job guys.
I would much rather spend the extra $150 - $200 in gas cost than have to wait 30 - 45 minutes per charge multiple times on a long trip!
Exactly. What does your family do while the car is charging? Either drive you nuts waiting in the car with the AC on, or go spend more money killing time.
I love V8s, but believed electric makes much more sense. After seeing this video, I am delighted to note that V8s it's gonna be! Unbelievable to be stopping 11 times. Plus, $193! All that time spent waiting! Kills the fun of the trip.
Yeah driving a V8 truck 1200 miles is free...
I've figured out that on a road trip all the money saved on gas is spent on restaurants and snacks.
To me A big electric SUV would make more sense than E-pickup truck. Save on hotels by sleeping on E-SUV
@Stuart Vernon What if you could sleep in it? A hotel room without bugs costs around $150 per night
@@scmreport2457 Get a canopy you can sleep in the back more comfortably than in an SUV
I really appreciate the real world approach to this. The good, the bad & the ugly all being shown just adds more information to consider if this is right for the consumer. Thanks guys.
Great series. It’s fun seeing you two. I’d find It really funny if Nathan and Tommy passed by making generally rude comments while driving either a regular F-150, the Electric Mini or Andrey’s Escalade.
Never have i seen a road trip with so much anxiety.
What about the Donner party?
It would have been interesting to have someone else drive a regular truck or Andres hybrid truck. Leave at the same time drive the same speed but continue on while the lightning is charging. Just to see the time difference between the 2
Watch MKBHD video on a 1000 mile road trip comparing between multiple EVs and a gas vehicle.
@@ElectricGlider2016 I remember the Tesla did pretty well in that test compared to the Mach E
Bjorn Nyland (aka Tesla Bjorn) has been doing the 1000 km challenge a while now, and if you subtract all externalities (eating, restroom, etc) gas still is going to be faster, but the latest Model 3 Long Range is getting pretty close, 9h20 vs 9h00 for a Kia Ceed PHEV. I presume the PHEV started with an initial charge and continued gas only.
I think they will be doing that ont their trip to Alaska
Tesla has so much of an edge in road trip charging that there almost has to be 3 categories. Gas/Tesla/other EV’s. I’ve done multiple 1200mi round trip road-trips from WV to SC. Its ~600 miles each way. It’s about a 35 minute difference, in each direction, in Tesla Model 3 and Model Y compared to gas, but you have to keep with a fixed route, same restaurants, etc. My guess is at least another hour of charging on non supercharger network but I’ve never done that.
I’ll take the “inconveniences” of the Tesla for the benefits and cost efficiencies all day long, especially since it’s only a few times a year. If it was often or in some other EV it would be a tough choice.
I have road-tripped a Bolt, your comment about planning a small plane trip is right on. It took 1000 miles to get a process that made it functional. Would just adjust the speed to get to the charger with a 5-10% state of charge so it would charge fast. It was a balance of range and distance to the charger and keeping it at a 15-mile ish buffer. Depending on wind, temp, and hills we would change our speed to maintain the 15-mile buffer, so at times you're going 85mph and other times 60 mph. Kind of like a video game.
My lightning is on ORDER and I am so excited!!! Been waiting on the reservation list for over 1 year, Love all the content and info guys. Thanks for what you do,
It would be interesting to do this same trip in January and see how that affects things. Being in a climate that has actual winter makes the whole EV proposition a lot worse. Cabin heat is essential when its < 0F.
Plus wait for heaters uses up alot of energy.
I would suggest it could be the same in hot climates, where it's regularly over 35C (95F) where a/c is required all the time when driving.
It’s going to be a mess. The batteries are going to have use it’s own energy to themselves warm too… not to mention heating the cab. Energy cost is not going not going to get any cheaper. And to to mention the Gov is going to sooner or later tax you for everything mile you travel per year to cover the loss of the fuel tax we all pay now. They will wait until the majority of people switch over EV and then slam everybody with an EV…. This is going to happen 100%
@@carmas54 one state here in Australia is already taxing EV owners for the loss of fuel excise, despite EVs being less prevalent than they are in the US. It won't be long before you guys are copping it as well IMO.
@@arokh72 sorry to hear that … a lot people aren’t talking or thinking about that nightmare… most think yay I’m beating the system.. Not
Much more expensive for charging than I thought. If fuel was back around $2-3 -gal it would be close to the same price...😬
You're paying for the service. Home charging is **much** cheaper.
DC fast charging is more expensive then just charging at home so most of the time it will be a lot less expensive
problem is Ford app for planing trip -- you must charge from 10-70% all the time to ride fast --- tesla do it so
OK, that makes sense. I wonder what it would roughly cost to charge from about 10-100% at home?.. seems there are so many determining factors that getting a solid I,C,E VS electric $ breakdown would be tough.
@@Rusty.1776 it's easy to figure out. Look at your electric bill and see what you're paying per kWh. Then, multiply that by the KW of the battery, that will show you how much it will cost to charge at home. E.g. $.15/kWh X 100kw battery = $15.00
I've heard about BlueCruise 100 times already, and yet seeing Andre's foot off the pedals and hands off the wheel truly made me say "We are living in the future."
Thanks guys for what you do! I feel good now knowing I’m better off saving for a TRX instead of the Lighting. After all we only live once..
Agree with so many other comments. I had a 2014 Model S and daily drove it for 35k miles. Very convenient for daily driving or trips within range of one charging stop. But even with the Tesla charging infrastructure hours are added to longer trips vs an ICE car/truck. Forget about towing. Non starter.
That's because your 2014 model s couldn't even charge as fast as this lightning can. They maxed out around 120kw and tapered off quickly. Tesla's chargers weren't near their current capabilities.
@@kahless0173 a 2014 model S is still 30% more efficient than this. So even with slower charging its not much different. And the Tesla supercharger experience is way better, pull in, plug in, and walk away to a nearby store or restaurant, no walmart in sight. A current Tesla would blow this away. TFL has a habit of showing evs at the absolute worst. And people have a thing for buying vehicles for the 5% use case instead of the 95% use case. That's why pickups are so popular in the first place, and most are 4x4. Disclaimer, I drive a Tesla and an F150. The biggest strike against my model S is it's not a 4x4 truck.
@@kahless0173 My P85 went further on a charge than this Lightning and while it may have charged a little slower it still required less charging time to go farther. Agree with All Terrain Randy that the supercharger experience is much better as well. I’m all for EVs but I guess I fall more in the camp of getting there than the camp who enjoys sitting around watching the state of charge trickle higher. Eagerly awaiting battery technology advances and charging infrastructure improvement.
I also owned a 2017 Model S. Great for around town, terrible for serious travel. I sold it less than a year later after I was transferred to our Philadelphia office and could not complete the 90 minute commute both ways on one charge. The closest charging station was 16 blocks from the office. Another time on our way home from the Jersey shore we had to wait over an hour in line to get a charging spot, which then took about hour or so. By the time the car was charged we could have been home already had we taken the Suburban! I wont buy another EV unless or until the battery tech improves dramatically.
I believe in the current state it’s good for family trips. You stop let it charge while the family gets snacks or a meal and use facilities. By the time their done you should be good to go. In the future the real advantages will be if they can get miles per charge up say closer to 1000 and if autopilot becomes a real thing where everyone can nap and wake up at destination.
This video series reinforces my decision to keep my hybrids and wait to pull the trigger on full EV’s.
For me it's still Maverick over Lightning, unless Ford finally makes a Ranger hybrid.
Absolutely. Hybrids/plug in hybrids, are the way to go. EVs are too limited right now and the cost is too high.
I really appreciate the content. For now I still prefer the petrol engine. Maybe I will use an EV locally, but no way I want to be bothered with finding chargers on a road trip. I rather pay high gas prices than find chargers.
Yeah and interesting that it still cost $200 to charge the Lightning compared to 350 in gas approximately. People say EV is so much cheaper but the cost to charge is coming up quickly, even for home charging governments are starting to put levels in for rates to charge more for higher amounts electrical use. All this and an EV is way more expensive MSRP than a gas vehicle when it comes to economy vehicles. How much cheaper is it really.
this is a great review!! road tripping is expensive; we take our RV for extended trips across states every summer, and a a rate of 9MPG costs are high - I gather that the real benefit of having the electric option is the zero emission aspect of these cars (which sits well with people who cares about the environment), and the overall cheaper costs of refueling at home, where cars spend most of their time - overall this truck has its utility and appeal for a lot of people out there, the same way a lot of people are not, nor will be convinced to quit gas trucks; but for sure this vehicle is a very interesting proposition that may become more appealing as the charging infrastructure improves!! Thanks for your wok guys!!!
Great real world EV input for travelingz The only thing that would’ve topped this off would be to have another team in a Gas powered F150 to
See how much sooner the gas powered vehicle gets to the destination. I’m not against EV’s, yet still feel
Like we have a long way to go before I park one at my house.
I won’t own one until I absolutely have too..I know the day is coming but I’ll push it until the end
Well subtract sleeping time he said 5 or so hours charging at 75mph the you could've traveled 375 miles further or arrived 4ish hours earlier including fuel stops
@@semiauto3148 your name is semi auto...why do you have to own one eventually?
@@DegeN.YNation That’s a significant amount of time used up because of an EV. I work a lot of hours like most of us do, 4 hours spent waiting? No thank you. Great input. Thanks !!👍🏼✌🏼
@@HAHA.GoodMeme I think eventually that’s all that’s all that will be produced But probably not in my lifetime.
one more point how much fun is it to charge in snow, heavy rain, and very cold. How about safety driving a $90K truck and charging outside?
Nebraska’s energy is either nuclear or powered by coal from our great neighbors Wyoming (powder river basin) :). Your pickup was COAL powered driving through Nebraska! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
That’s only if the coal plant is doing the load-following. In most places throughout the US in 21st century, coal only supplies baseload; NG (or hydro in some areas) does load-following.
Don't be bashing Long John Silvers!!. Interesting video
You guys are doing a real public service. Thank you. This is a major sea change in the world of transportation and of course there will be problems to iron out. For those of you who have yet to accept the fact that it IS happening and will continue into the future (you know who you are) just sit back and watch because you not liking it wont even slow it down.
like its pricetag walking off the lot...the price drops. But unlike a Gasoline truck, my battery and price do not drop. That battery will never ever see its full capacity ever again. and the cost of replacing that battery....almost the cost of a new truck
Plus....most of them products made to make that Battery...came from China. They love global warming too
Thankyou so much for doing this series and showing the pros AND CONS, been huge in my research of the lighting
The Extremely long charge time is a total deal killer for me.I can fill my gas tank in roughly 3 minutes.
Not to mention that you're paying at least $53,000 for the privilege of sitting there watching it charge slowly. It seems quality is no longer job 1 at Ford, and I really like their real trucks.
Having to go to a gas station is a deal killer for me. For daily use, charging at home is so easy that we will never go back to fossil cars.
@@jeffberwick Your choice. Have fun paying way too much for a less capable vehicle than the lowest economy car.
@@ironclaw6969 EV's are far more capable, efficient, more spacious, faster and quieter than ICE cars. But go ahead and hold on to your slow and noisy horse and buggy if you like.
@@jeffberwick Actually, unless you like watching a charger they are less capable and have less range. When they can offer an EV that can go at least 400 miles on a full charge and recharge to 100% capacity in 5 minutes or less, I have no use for such garbage. I certainly won't pay $80,000 plus interest for the privilege of driving a vehicle that is less capable in every way than the car I already own. But enjoy your overpricef battery-powered toy.
I’d really be curious on how that compares to gas. I did a rough comparison and may not be the same exact route but using an f150 with a 2.7L at 26 gallons. Total trip calculated to 1277 miles, $245 total trip cost with 4 stops consuming 52.65 gallons of gas. For losing almost 6 hours not including the hotel stay to save $52 just doesn’t feel very efficient at all, especially adding 7 additional stops.
And the extra cost of the truck. Yep it’s crazy
When you charge at home it's like $2-$15 to fully charge the battery depending on your individual utility costs. Charging at a fast charger out in the wild is worst case, both for your wallet and for the longevity of the battery. I agree that it doesn't make much sense to road trip in an EV, (but it's not horrible). The base model is 45k if you get the towing package, which is only a few k more than the equivalent gas truck. It's pretty amazing for contractors who drive short mileage every day.
I have one on order, currently spending about 1.7k/month on fuel with 1.1k of that being vehicle and the rest being equipment, (with gas at 4.50/gal). I drive 25-60 miles a day towing a trailer that typically weighs 2-3k lbs, occasionally 6-7k. If I'm driving longer than that, it's not for work and I'd probably just rent something or fly and then rent something. Switching to an EV should save me 8-900 a month, easy. All the equipment I use is currently gas or 2stroke, but electric equivalents are already on the market. It's a big investment up front to swap out everything and get the spare batteries, etc, and that tech is being developed so fast the new stuff obsoletes the old almost every year so I'm dragging my feet there. Neat how the lightning also has a 9.6kw AC capability to run whatever you need on the jobsite and charge up all your other gear. But again, it pays off very quickly with how much I'm currently spending on fuel. Within the next 2-3 years I will be 100% electric for my business.
I know my Tesla I can get from LA to Vegas on a full charge it just this is Ford's first attempt on a ev truck give it a year or two they're gonna be leaps and bounds I think it's really exciting especially because electric vehicles are the fastest production vehicles on the market right now 0 to 60 in 1.9
My 2016 2.7 Ecoboost has never gotten over 17 mpg. Are you saying you are getting 26?
@@RobertWilliams-xg5xl I’m not, that’s what GasBuddy used as an average.
this is a great educational video. answers a lot of questions about trips in an electric vehicle. looking forward to the next installments.
You guys need to break down how much time was spent at each charging station... also need to consider that Time = money.... most highway speeds are 60-70 mph ... so that would mean you would have to charge often since doing 70 mph will drain your battery fast... Ill stick to gas for now until recharging is more efficient ... but awesome vid as always!
Drive 55 on back roads to get more range.
Driving at slower speeds is safer. If you're factoring in your time, perhaps you need a pricetag on your own safety and well being.
They did, E column in the excel sheet shows that data.
I'm not falling for those new fangled gasoline cars. You always have to find a gas station. I can get wood and water for my steam engine car virtually ANYWHERE!
@@Tokamak3.1415 80mph or even 90mph is perfectly safe on the wide open interstate. My old diesel BMW will return 37mpg at 80-85mph and will go 500 miles between fuel stops.
So far what I have gotten out of this vid is...
- EVs are good for daily city driving.
- A hybrid would be a better option for long road trips.
- $50K+ for an EV isn't worth getting into since my paid off 4cyl Rav4 will still cost less to fill up on long road trips. 🤷♂️
and same trip shorter time
Ford in car trip planner is a nightmare --- tesla will be better x2
@@tvguide4khv nightmare? Ok clown. I have a mach E and ive never had an issues finding where to charge
@@mattbrew11 I’m not a fan of waiting 30 min to an hour every time they stopped to charge
You are not considering that an EV will last 5 times of ANY ICE car .. so after 10 years you will get the difference back
Great videos, really enjoyed watching this 2 part series.
Yes, Yes, Yes...This is what I wanted to see, watch, and study. Good job TFL. Keep pushing in the EVs; I may get one, depending on the study, testing, and analysis you provide (no pressure).
Andre seems like a fun guy to travel with!😬
Crazy to think when fuel was cheap...it was equal to cost of the 500 mile trip charge on my ecodiesel Jeep. I do like the real world vids.
their trip would have saved a lot more if they used the charging curve better and asked Tommy how to use a charger.
all thanks to the political parasites with mythical authority and a federal reserve banking cartel, humanity did this to themselves
It will probably be cheaper in that ecodiesel Jeep a year from now too than it was in the lightning
Their whole agenda to increase fuel prices is to promote EV vehicles.
@@Yeayeajjj OPEC's agenda who control 90% of the worlds oil is to promote EV vehicles who are currently price gouging? I dont know aboot that one bud lol
You guys do a great job comparing the various type of truck options. Would love to see a full on comparison. Snap shot of total cost. Insurance and manufacturers suggested maintenance. The real total cost of ownership for say 15000 a year mileage for 5 years. I suspect it would be quite eye opening to see the totals.
I would like to see a full video of all the mining that goes into both and and emissions totals for both after 10 years. See how green they really are or aren’t
Loved the video. There were fast chargers at HyVee in Coralville, where you stopped for night in Iowa. Also, missed opportunity for breakfast at the Landmark, while you got charge in Williamsburg, IA. ( Outlet Mall stop). Much better than Golden Arches
It’s hilarious seeing andre and Roman spending too much time together
For road trips it doesn't really seem that practical. I get around 22 mpg on m F150 (2.7L Ecoboost). So for 1225 miles, it would take around 56 gallons of fuel. That 56 gallons at $5/gallon would be $280 bucks. So on this trip (including the free charging), it would have saved around 90 bucks, which doesn't seem like that great of a savings. Not to mentioned the extra time to charge. Around 11 hours of charging time...ICE engine maybe stop 3 times for gas, few times for food unless you're doing the drive thru...seems like you add some significant time.
Have read normal charging in city or at home is less expensive and obviously charging while at home (overnight or whatever) is way more convenient. So, we'll probably look into a city electric vehicle, but don't think we'll go 100% electric anytime soon. Hybrid type of thing might be great though.
Plus, our cars are paid for, so when you factor in the extra $80K to buy this type of vehicle, it doesn't make a ton of since. Really hoping that there's a lot more options in the next couple of years.
Exactly what I was thinking!
Don't forget to factor in the battery life/disposal/replacement cost. It's going to be a fiasco when they start having thousands of these battery packs to do something with!
They also need to include the price of their hotel because I could do this drive-in one day
I just ran the numbers using todays gas price and my GMC Sierra and it would have cost $115. and it would have been one long day on the road
Lol...well for 280 you could just fly there. I use my EVs for going around the city sometime from Hou to San Antonio or Austin but anything over 5 hrs drive I'm just gonna fly
Great video! You two are a lot of fun to watch.
I'm glad to see that the F150 seems like a solid EV. The range is pretty disappointing compared to the early numbers that got released. Between that range, and the EA charging stations all being in the back of Walmarts, I would much rather roadtrip in my Tesla Model Y and the Tesla network of superchargers. I think that in time, there will be many more choices for both CCS and Tesla to share chargers and everyone will profit.
Thank you for talking me out of buying one! You saved $150.00 vs gas and spent 6 hours charging the truck. My time is worth more than $25/hr if I'm buying a 80k truck!
As a appartment dweller my suspicions of EV charging have been confirmed. Major pain in the ass, no reliable charging network to count on, and not much savings either. I'll stick with trustworthy and affordable hybrids. I can trust my life with a hybrid, not even close with an EV, so many sketchy variables.
Unless you have a driveway, garage or dedicated parking space, you won't get the low cost, low hassle overnight charging with cheap electricity. But keep working hard, we need your taxes to subsidize wealthy suburban people who have private driveways, garages or parking spaces to park the RV you helped them buy
hopefully you guys are missing the storms. thanks for bringing us along. 😊
I want to thank you both this is a very realistic view of living with an EV on the daily I do plan on getting the F150 Pro and usually drive in the city every day but do plan on frequent road trips so this video is very helpful showing me what that will be like. I think it will be ok cause I like to stop every 3-4 hours of driving anyway.
I own a 2022 ford lightning and so far I’m extremely impressed with the truck. There defiantly is a learning curve with figuring out your driving/needs with the truck. But I found if I just plug it in maybe every other night at home, that seems to work just fine for my needs. It’s also cheaper charging at night in my state…Vermont because prices go up and down during the day with the demand in your area. Get video guys!
All the tech in the truck is amazing… yet the truck still has a huge antenna on the front fender… some things never change.
Luckily you can take it out and buy a $20 one that looks better
That’s for a reason. It’s as tall as the roof so you don’t go under something that’s too low for the truck. Plus it’s super easy to replace yourself.
@@-TheRealScubasteve- I understand what your saying but having a shark fin on the roof is far nicer, and even then won't prevent you from parking garages and such
Because it was afterthought engineering. Dodge engineered the antenna into the back window in 2019. Much more costly but aesthetically much better looking and better performing. That's the difference between two companies
It has nothing to do with clearance of the roof. Ford PURPOSELY keeps this because many of it's customers use their trucks out where reception is not the greatest. The taller the antenna, the better.
From this video so far, I'm not convinced that EV is yet to rival gasoline as far as refueling time. The tradeoff of 30 - 120 minutes to a full battery versus 5 minutes to a full tank of fuel is undesirable, though the potential refuel cost may be better. Regardless, I am excited for the future of EV.
If I got one it would be local use only, plug in at home to charge like a phone. I can’t see road-trips being viable until battery tech gets better
To be fair this is pretty slow charging for such a large battery. Right now Porsche / Audi, Hyundai / Kia and Tesla are the most common of the few that can charge super fast. It'd be much better if you got 250+kw charging from a battery this large :P
@@cmdncn5528 This is mostly a Ford thing. The Lightning and Mach E max out at 150kw. Not terrible, not great. Porsche/Hyundai/Kia all have charging rates that's twice as fast. The tech is getting there.
Time is money. So they say.
1:55 Currently my 2014 F150 Ecoboost Supercrew 4x4 leveled on 35 12.5 20s and a tuner on MPG Boost tune burns $200.00 to make a 550 mile round trip on a single tank of 92 octane over all the mountain passes from the Oregon Coast to Northern CA and back.
The F-150 Lightning road trip is the roots of this channel, real world reviews. I liked this video.
“ never had to wait for a charger “! Comom guys… you have the 1st F150 lightning 😆
2 years from now will be a nightmare!!
I’m currently on a several thousand mile road trip with some national parks which are out in the middle of basically nowhere. An electric truck would not work for this trip but I suspect it would be just fine for in state driving and daily driving. I think the new lightning is a good choice for some people and not the best for others. A blend of ice, hybrids and electric would be great options for everyone instead of saying we all need electric vehicles.
Most of your national parks with RV camping have 30 and 50 amp chargers. You would be just fine
@@princevegeta08 If you take off down some national forest or BLM roads, then not so much.
@@princevegeta08 key word is most. Not all of the ones I’ve been to have that available. Or are all full of…people camping.
@@stog9821 need some solar panels for emergencies ;)
@@princevegeta08 rv parks are notorious for having horrible power quality. Outages and surges are super common and need to have a surge protector for your rv. Also you can’t rent an rv spot by the hour, it’s by the day, and they won’t let you just plug in to one that is empty.
Driving my 2017 F150 2.7L EcoBoost I find that two factors meaningfully impact fuel economy. Number one is driver behaviour. If I am heavy on the accelerator and the brakes fuel ecomomy suffers. Number two is wind resistance, which is a combination of driving speed and wind direction and speed. If I want my best fuel ecomomy and also achieve the rated performance, I drive at 80 KPH (50 MPH), coast more for stops, and hope for a tailwind. We should not be surprised if these basic principles apply equally to range performance in electric vehicles. This driving style is boring but if you want to save $$ on gas, or electricity by driving farther on a tank, or a charge, you get to make choices behind the wheel.
I just returned from a road trip to Louisville. Going out there drove 16.5 hours straight from Albuquerque, NM. Coming back split the drive into 2 days so we can do more road side stops. But was hoping to pass you guys somewhere on the road but you guys were more north. Spent about $315 for fuel going out there, that was for premium fuel also. So round trip was around $650-$700 on fuel cost for me.
I’m not on the electric bandwagon yet, early adoption of many technologies always has its pitfalls and challenges. We still have a ways to go on charging speed and infrastructure. On the truck, even as a GM guy, I think Ford did the lightning right, the Silverado EV is another story.
Looks like a great truck....... as long as it returns to it's own garage every day. E-road trip, no thanks.
I'm thinking that I'd try the Hybrid first.
I just test drove the Lightning at the Ken Garff dealer in Fort Collins, it’s very fast, especially in sport mode and it rides better than my 2019 F-150 3.5L Ecoboost. The IRS makes a big difference going over things like railroad tracks and in general it feels like it’s very planted to the road.
Went on a 1,700 mile trip with my Ram Ecodiesel. 32.7 mpg and over 800 miles per tank. When the electric trucks can beat that, I'll be buying one.
I hope the need to charge vehicles for an extended period of time brings back the classic American roadside attractions of the past. While I love the convenience and speed of gasoline fueling and am not personally ready for EV, there could be an opportunity to slow down a bit and enjoy the things along the road more.
Interesting perspective.
Route 66 style. Thats a good idea
I can appreciate this comment. I think your onto something
If I made that trip, I would have to spend additional money on hotels, using up the money saved in transportation costs. Around town where I can home charge to 100% fine, but long hauls?
Exactly
You sleep while it’s charging. You don’t need a hotel room.
Great video, very informative, you guys are cracking me up
These are some great videos. I drive a lot for work, as much as 1,000 to 1,500 miles per week. My ICE 2022 Passat gets about 620 miles per tank on the highway. I wish they had super chargers at the rest stops in each state because that is where I usually stop to stretch and take a break. The more they build fast chargers the easier it will be to make a transition to electric.
I don't know about you but I'm glad I got a Powerboost and did not wait for this... I'd go nuts sitting there charging, like that Pablo Escobar meme where he's sitting on the swing.. lol Definitely appreciate you guys showing us the real nitty gritty of how all the charging stuff works in real life! Seems very confusing intially!
I agree. I’m shopping trucks currently and would much rather have the powerboost hybrid.
I have been interested in the power boost since it came out. Do you really like it?
@@davidmorgan8612 It's great, really enjoying it and how can you not like 650-700 miles per tank and have tons of power?
This is about a 15 hour drive and would take me about a tank and a 1/2 of gas in my F150. Hopefully you include your hotel price in the cost of this trip because I would be able to do it without stopping at a hotel.
again not all drive more then 320 miles a day or very often. a road trip is not two guys making a video , its a trip to enjoy lol
Unless you have a 130 gallon tank, I can't see your math working.
It's great you have Magna as a video sponsor. I have a Magna Powertrain 3023LD (NQH) Transfer Case in my 2012 Silverado 1500.
Great honest video. I have to say I am not impressed by the range, but i could see this being great for local driving. After watching a lot of videos including some of yours, I chose to go with the GMC Sierra with the 3.0l duramax and could not be happier. I am averaging 650 miles per tank and have seen over 32 mpg so far. Keep up the good work.
Interesting question regarding efficiency vs speed - with the time cost of charging, there has to be some point at which driving faster actually becomes slower, because of the increased charging time.
That's a slightly bigger deal now than it'll be on the 2025 truck. Hopefully that one will be 800v and charge as quick as the Silverado. It still shouldn't matter as much. You might come out a minute or two quicker at a certain speed when you consider charge times vs drive time.
indeed, teslabjorn found that the fastest way to go from A to B in a Model3, with an adequate charging network, is traveling at more than 100mph (on German Autobahn)
No matter if it's gas or EV, vehicles become less efficient after 65 mph. The faster you ho especially in a non aerodynamic vehicle it will get worse
@@StarInfinite00 I constantly drive at 100 mph and I get 60mpg.
Owning a hybrid the battery is sucked down the faster you go
A Hawkeye is the visual organ of a specific species of predatory bird. I agree with Andre. When you are setting out for a full-day driving trip, you just want to get on the road and not stop at a sit-down restaurant for breakfast. I was on a road trip one time that normally takes six hours. My passenger refused to eat fast food, so every time we stopped for a meal it had to be a sit-down restaurant. I was so full. Plus, he wanted to stop for every sight-seeing trap possible. So our six-hour drive took us eleven hours. I never went on a road trip with that guy again.
Had a similar experience with my ex-wife in my rig. That was her first and last trip in my truck.
@@wannabeangler The 1 to 2 hour intervals for bathroom breaks suck too!
exactly I don't understand ev enthusiasts making it seem like a necessity to stop to eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner while on a road trip. On every road trip I've been you take some fruit, snacks or even pack a sandwich for the road and depending on how long the trip is you may stop to eat at a restaurant once. Certainly not 3 times.
@@Cornelius87 But then you'd run out of juice.
This series is great, I am sold. Now if Ford would hurry up and let us order them directly from the manufacturer, I could get one for MSRP, instead of paying a crazy premium for one!
Thanks for the break down and giving us an idea.
As you talk about the cost of charging vs the cost of gas it is good to remember that we do not import electricity. Every dollar spent stays here and is not sent to OPEC. Big savings are when you charge at home for about a forth the cost per KWH. Thanks for doing this.
Well said. 👍🏻 when you gas up it's over 70% of every dollar spent goes outside the US economy. But with ev charge ups you see over 60% of every dollar staying in the US economy. 😎
During the previous administration we were energy independent. Now we’re whores to the world.
I think the charging is all about How patient you are. Yes there is money saving but it really comes down to how valuable is your time. If you are adding 5 to 6 hours to a long trip assuming that every stop has working chargers and you have no people waiting . I would be going nuts with all the long stops.
It’s all about driving in your own area. You charge at home over night when it’s cheaper.
The antenna is used to let you know if your truck will clear your garage. If the antenna hits your garage door it will also hit the trucks roof. So it can save you from costly repairs and damage to your trucks roof. It also has improved reception over an antenna built into the glass, for some of us that still listen to the radio. I wish you would have talked about the ride, noise level and comfort of the truck more.
In Canada there is actually charging stations on the highways seems to be a little more convenient after watching you guys travel lol. They aren’t a lot of them but they seem to be placed in pretty good areas for travelling. After watching the videos on this truck I seriously want one now hopefully Ram will come out with one before I get one 😂
Im a Ford enthusiast, I love pickups, but I dont see myself owning an E-Truck within the next 15-20 years tbh, all the infrastructure atm is so inconvenient, range, etc
I think that 20 years is a long time to sort out the infrastructure issues. 10 years ago you could probably count the number of charging stations with your fingers. 20 years ago you didn't need any fingers to count them.
Good job guys. I I’ll be interested to see you do a similar trip in the dead of winter. Charging doesn’t look like fun
These road trips are really cool to see the real world experience for those of us looking into ev’s
I like watching Andre. He's just seems like a great person. Still has passion.
Done multiple 2000mile road trips in my F150 and it is a fantastically stable and comfortable mile munching road trip machine.
However I think most two car families will have one fully electric car for local usage and one ICE or ICE hybrid within a decade.
I've been all over the country and my F150 getting about 21 miles to the gallon and a 36 gallon tank makes it a great road trip vehicle
Within a decade the EV situation will likely be as seamless as using an ICE.
I'm a 4 car family. No rice, and all ICE. EV infrastructure is not ready yet. Get over it. Unless you commute less than 100 miles one way, then it doesn't work. Even if you do, it's still a compromise at this point. Where does your electricity come from? Most likely fossil fuel (coal). This is a failed experiment. Hydrogen is going to be the way....
A PHEV could do both and give you the ability to charge for errands around the house but Tesla pretty much sucked all the oxygen out of the room for those and now it's all about electric only. I think PHEV makes a lot more sense.
@@jamiel9902 wishful thinking, our grid cant support more than 3% EVs, and battery production is already destroying mountains. You know mountains are needed to create RAIN, right? So much for environmentally friendly.
When your job is to literally review vehicles , it doesn't matter when you get home. But 99% of the rest of us have schedules to meet, vacation days, no one wants to sit hours at a charger. I keep hearing about this technology getting better and better, really where?? The only way they got to a 300 mile range (which isn't real) is by stuffing tons of batteries and I mean that literally
@Defective Degenerate heard this 3 years ago, each year I hear the same thing. wheres the tech? I keep hearing something like 3-5% density increase every 6-12 months. really? since when? Why is it our 12v still last just as long and weigh just as much lol. the tech is simple, want more range, increase the batteries, simple.
Thank you for sharing your journey with Shawn in South Africa
I drove from Sandown, NH to a rest stop near Wisconsin Dells alone on a day with two quick gas stops in a tuned D-Max equipped GMC 2500 crew cab long box. Wisconsin rest stop one was closed and or I would have quit earlier. I do similar feats a couple a times a year to go dirt biking.
Awesome content guys! 👏 love these little mini series.
That sounds like extra anxiety waiting to happen during any trips - no thanks. Always love the content - but electric - is NOT for me. I will take my Chev 6.2 guzzler
6.2 ain't to bad on gas if you can keep your foot out of it
@@miket2172 Yeah, I struggle with that at times lol...but I am also currently in a diesel F250 - 16.8 L/100km which has been a problematic vehicle in general - once my ZR2 gets built, I may do the exhaust/air breather mods and see if that makes it more efficient. Cheers
@@Crushin123 the def system will eat power and fuel
Not up to you. Will be banned from cities and indoor parking soon.
@@Crushin123 only worth it on the 6.0L which has insane longevity when upgraded
Thanks guys, great video and very real world informative.
I think full EV makes sense for short trip and commuting. Wish there was more development in hybrid and plug in hybrid.
I'm 75 and about to buy my last truck, and I have an F-150, 1997 (a great truck). I'm leaning toward the Ford Lightning. So thanks for the informative videos.
This truck is great for the city to get things done and maybe short towing trips like a local state park with a camper that's about 5000lbs. But if you need to go on a trip and get somewhere at a specific time... This is not going to work. But for a long roadtrip with no time schedule this would actually be fun and this truck looks like fun to drive.
What no one has addressed is heavy towing at highway speeds and the distance you can travel before charging from what I can tell it’s really bad and has got to change before I purchase a EV truck that’s what most people in my area in the south use one for JS
@@lorithane2006 It really wasn’t made for heavy towing on highways. What the OP posted is exactly what it’s for.
I wouldn’t even tow to a local park. Not impressed for real usage. Grocery store and back, and that’s about it.
It’s toy. Not a practical car to depend on for everything
@@speedluvr1943 why not? 7700lb tow capacity. Surely even towing something heavy you'll have plenty of range locally.
Every time I watch one of these road trip videos of electric vehicles, I am reminded why the most I'd consider right now is a PHEV.
Its so embarrassing seeing electric lovers try defend waiting 1 hour every 2-3 hours to charge their car. Time is MONEY
@@bldontmatter5319 so is money. Although I’m waiting for solid state batteries or something that doesn’t take so long.
@@dominica2765 but for the average person who exchanges time for money, $100+ to fill a pickup truck is still time. Even if the actual filling the tank part only takes a couple minute. They exchanged a few hours of work to pay for it.
That’s the worst choice ever for a long trip. They have smaller fuel tanks, battery runs out fast and after that you’re just carrying the weight of battery that has no charge. A plug in hybrid will waste more gas when it runs out of battery than the same vehicle that’s gas only. I owned PHEV and you can trust me when I tell you this
@@Igoriann It's been something I've been considering, so I'm really curious as to which PHEV you owned?
I love the road trip! Very good real world information.
Hey I saw you guys in Lansing mi today! Can’t wait to see your next video!
This is probably a dumb question? But I'd like to know where you get those stickers for each state when I travel in my RV across different states I wouldn't mind putting some of them stickers but I never see where they sell them?
You can find them on Amazon, luggage stickers.
@@pto44 thank you
These charging stations need food trucks and porta potties!
They will get muggers and thieves first. Maybe a perv or two.
@@geoffrust6787 So add Escorts! well then that would lead to pimps :(.
I felt really bad laughing at you guys and your lack of sleep but it was both entertaining and great insight into the challenges of electric vehicles on a trip. I’m a fan of TFL now!
I will keep my Tundra TRD Pro 5.7L V8. Stopping to charge for that long would drive me nuts.