Pinarello always had "cheaper" bikes in its portfolio, Gan, Paris, Prince. So that's not the new aspect here. It's a "cheaper" bike with Dogma geometry. So they do what the big brands are doing already for years.
@@xgalvan1 You're confusing between the concept of being able to pay for something and being able to afford something. A lot of people think being able to buy/pay for something expensive means that YOU CAN AFFORD IT but often times that affording comes from using credit and NOT debit/direct funds or wads of cash. This is the easiest way to know if you're financially strong. If you're making a purchase and paying it directly from your funds and it doesn't burden you financially then you can afford it. If you're using your credit to pay for it then that just mean you can pay for it overtime so YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT. Most people CAN'T afford a car or a home BUT THEY CAN PAY FOR IT, right? Its funny when you look at it this way. I would say that most of us wouldn't want to pay +3k for a road bike if we're not professionals because it's just not wise financially due to our commitment and only people who are well off can "AFFORD" to do so. If it's pocket change you wouldn't care, right? Being able to afford expensive things and pay for expensive things are two separate things.🧐
@@shushuyu no I meant what I said. I can afford an $8000 bike. I have a 2022 canyon aeroad that’s paid for. I choose not to buy a $15k bike bc that’s foolish. Spare me you economics lessons, I have an mba
xgalvan1 - If you paid anything close to $8,000 for a non powered bicycle when you can buy a fully loaded Kawasaki Ninja 650 motorbike for $7,000 out the door you’re the definition of a very gullible and easily marketed to fool. And yes, there are loads of MBA’s out there who are not all that bright and are in fact quite gullible as well. 😀😀
I dont see why anyone would buy the x1 x3 and f5 models, they are too expensive for their groupset (similar specced bike from Canyon is half the price)
Kris what canyon would that be at half price. Hmm all thoughts appreciated. Your very knowledgeable, any egravels with botch powerplants. Better yet egravel ti with bosch powerplant. If so I will remortgage my one home.lol but close too. Happy, safe riding to all the knowledgeable, kind folks here... Craig
At the moment I own a pinarrelo dogma team sky Paris reubaux edition with the small rear shock it is a very nice bike and extremely smooth on the hills it is kitted out with full durarace group set and carbon fiber wheels I personally think it is most comparable to the F9 but it cost a lot more 😂
Cheaper is relative, the bike looks beautiful to me and I’m sure the carbon wheels are better than the wheels on any of my other bikes. The issue is not the tyres but rather am I worthy of such an awesome bike.
This had been a trend for many many years, bike company have a top tier, and then there will be lower tiers of the exact same geometry for cheaper tags. Was thinking Pinarello wants to be different or premium, that only the top tier gets its own geometry, and every tier has their corresponding geometry. But realistically, if I only want that racy geometry of Dogma F, but can’t afford it, I wouldn’t buy a Prince or Gan, because they are different animals! Wise move Pina, given the decline in the industry! But curious to see if they are still able to maintain their quality for those cheaper models.
@CyclingWeekly Thank you for this. Curious why the F5 also doesn't come with the Rival AXS option. That would have been a nice alternative to the 105 di2.
I have a Prince and love the ride and performance. The F Series does not really look much better or desirable for me. The components are better on the Prince I ride. However, I do recognize the layers Pinarello is making to play off the Dogma. For me, I am staying with the Prince. . .
The price point i can get the FILANTE SLR top end bike. Both italian....But but but....at this price point please let the consumer to test the bike before purchased.
You'd be better of buying a dogma f frame. I don't understand how you are calling these cheap. I have a Paris and love it. These prices are getting out of control. The only reason I bought the Paris is because prices keep going up. I'll buy a dogma frame and when time allows have it built up
The colourways are either boring or too busy, for my taste. That you have to upgrade wheels and tires is just standard with almost every bike in almost every price range, and I rather have cheap stuff destined for landfill than expensive stuff. I wonder why with these builds they miss their most solvent target group - by not providing a top tier endurance bike. Because when you can afford a Pinarello, you need some money, are most likely a bit older and most likely less flexible. I at least am happy to have bought a Prince FX last year, which is a bit higher in the front than the Dogma. And having it built from a frameset, much cheaper and completly to my taste, omitting landfill at all.
How have we come to this? a decent ultegra di2 bike costs like a small car , 8000$US and above, and I am not talking about Pinarello only , also most bike brands prices are causing decent bikes become out of reach for many people with these prices, even Canyon becomes on the pricey side taking shipping costs and local taxes, and don't tell me pandemic because this is history now...shame.
@@bernardo9202 What makes no sense? A S-Works Tarmac SL7 costs 15k EUR, same as Dogma. Specialized Tarmac SL7 with SRAM Force AXS costs 9.200 EUR, about as the F7 with Ultegra Di2. So, there is no reason to claim the Tarmac offers are more worthwile. But none of them is affordable by any means.
@@SrFederico the Ultegra di2 version with wheels that you don't need to change neither do you need to change tyres, have a better finishing kit than Most has. Either sl7 or aethos costs 6150€
@@SrFederico the sl7 sworks with SRAM red or Shimano dura Ace is at 12500€. 300€ more than this second tier bike with mid tier wheels and tyres as the video says.
Pinarello is like apple never "affordable" never using best parts for the money. Sorry to say but this video made me unsubscribe from you guys. Truly the audacity to call it affordable was a joke if giant is affordable not pinarello any pinarello for that matter.
I’d laugh at any moron I saw riding a Dogma just knowing how they got shafted when they bought it at that silly price. New fools and idiots are born every minute though. 😀😀
@@ivanboesky1520 they are in fact no more expensive than other top of the range bikes…’cheaper’ than same spec s works in fact.if offered..most people would take one.. justas they would take an Audi over a Skoda..expensive and top of the range things aren’t for everyone.. each to their own.. it’s what makes you happy.. it’s maybe you that’s the moron of you think people being happy are morons no?
..where nearly all top end frames are made… in fact it pains me to say I’d probably trust it more than anything from Italy! Let Italians do the styling.. they r good at that!
Taiwan makes the most bad ass semi conductors and chip sets this planet has ever seen. I think they are good on the carbon fiber. People act like Taiwanese carbon isn’t the sh*t
I’ll stick my old Dogma f8 still feel awesome
same, rim brakes too
Nice to see, nice to forget. Nothing here that tickles me. Especially at these prices. I'll stay with my old super light Canyon.
Pinarello always had "cheaper" bikes in its portfolio, Gan, Paris, Prince. So that's not the new aspect here. It's a "cheaper" bike with Dogma geometry. So they do what the big brands are doing already for years.
6000 dollars doesn't sound "cheap" to me.
@@Lastchance2030 Whilst "waiting on the lord", you could spend your time to meditate on the difference between "cheap" and "cheaper".
Affordable used in a very lose term here, cannot believe how much bikes have gone up. If you can afford those prices you could afford the dogma
Not true, I can afford all of these bikes but would never drop the cash needed to procure a dogma
@@xgalvan1 You're confusing between the concept of being able to pay for something and being able to afford something. A lot of people think being able to buy/pay for something expensive means that YOU CAN AFFORD IT but often times that affording comes from using credit and NOT debit/direct funds or wads of cash. This is the easiest way to know if you're financially strong.
If you're making a purchase and paying it directly from your funds and it doesn't burden you financially then you can afford it. If you're using your credit to pay for it then that just mean you can pay for it overtime so YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT. Most people CAN'T afford a car or a home BUT THEY CAN PAY FOR IT, right?
Its funny when you look at it this way. I would say that most of us wouldn't want to pay +3k for a road bike if we're not professionals because it's just not wise financially due to our commitment and only people who are well off can "AFFORD" to do so. If it's pocket change you wouldn't care, right? Being able to afford expensive things and pay for expensive things are two separate things.🧐
@@shushuyu no I meant what I said. I can afford an $8000 bike. I have a 2022 canyon aeroad that’s paid for. I choose not to buy a $15k bike bc that’s foolish. Spare me you economics lessons, I have an mba
@@xgalvan1 dude think's a degree makes him better
xgalvan1 - If you paid anything close to $8,000 for a non powered bicycle when you can buy a fully loaded Kawasaki Ninja 650 motorbike for $7,000 out the door you’re the definition of a very gullible and easily marketed to fool. And yes, there are loads of MBA’s out there who are not all that bright and are in fact quite gullible as well. 😀😀
Second-tier bike, at top model prices.
Actually, the price from a few years ago, or from a different brand, but still...
You're paying for the Pinarello decal.
I dont see why anyone would buy the x1 x3 and f5 models, they are too expensive for their groupset (similar specced bike from Canyon is half the price)
Kris what canyon would that be at half price. Hmm all thoughts appreciated. Your very knowledgeable, any egravels with botch powerplants. Better yet egravel ti with bosch powerplant. If so I will remortgage my one home.lol but close too. Happy, safe riding to all the knowledgeable, kind folks here... Craig
At the moment I own a pinarrelo dogma team sky Paris reubaux edition with the small rear shock it is a very nice bike and extremely smooth on the hills it is kitted out with full durarace group set and carbon fiber wheels I personally think it is most comparable to the F9 but it cost a lot more 😂
X3
Versus:
Canyon CF Endurance?
Trek Domane SL6?
Caledonia?
Older Paris?
Competition is cheaper and better spec choices?
?
Seems pricey still compared to competitors?
cube litning aswell
I don't understand the fashion with negative degree stems and then stack huge number of spacers underneath?
what is the smallest size for F7?
Is there a difference in geometry between the new Pinarello F and the previous Prince?
I just got an F5 with most carbon wheels for $4600, do you think I got a good deal?
Wonder if they are going to come up with a do it all bike like cervelo’s soloist ?
i think it is good that they all look similar so the silhouette is there no matter the model you will know it is a Pinarello just because of it
Is the geometry of the X the same as the previous Paris?
Rim brakes????
Cheaper is relative, the bike looks beautiful to me and I’m sure the carbon wheels are better than the wheels on any of my other bikes. The issue is not the tyres but rather am I worthy of such an awesome bike.
YES YOU ARE!
This had been a trend for many many years, bike company have a top tier, and then there will be lower tiers of the exact same geometry for cheaper tags. Was thinking Pinarello wants to be different or premium, that only the top tier gets its own geometry, and every tier has their corresponding geometry. But realistically, if I only want that racy geometry of Dogma F, but can’t afford it, I wouldn’t buy a Prince or Gan, because they are different animals! Wise move Pina, given the decline in the industry! But curious to see if they are still able to maintain their quality for those cheaper models.
How much do they weigh?
Their scales broke when they tried.
@CyclingWeekly Thank you for this. Curious why the F5 also doesn't come with the Rival AXS option. That would have been a nice alternative to the 105 di2.
I wouldn't be surprised if it purely came down to the availability of parts. It could be something that comes in the future.
I have a Prince and love the ride and performance. The F Series does not really look much better or desirable for me. The components are better on the Prince I ride. However, I do recognize the layers Pinarello is making to play off the Dogma. For me, I am staying with the Prince. . .
True
So good
A cyclist that have the performance mindset as you shouldn't be looking at this bike... you'll be never satisfied... just go straight to Dogma F.
The price point i can get the FILANTE SLR top end bike. Both italian....But but but....at this price point please let the consumer to test the bike before purchased.
You'd be better of buying a dogma f frame. I don't understand how you are calling these cheap. I have a Paris and love it. These prices are getting out of control. The only reason I bought the Paris is because prices keep going up. I'll buy a dogma frame and when time allows have it built up
The colourways are either boring or too busy, for my taste.
That you have to upgrade wheels and tires is just standard with almost every bike in almost every price range, and I rather have cheap stuff destined for landfill than expensive stuff.
I wonder why with these builds they miss their most solvent target group - by not providing a top tier endurance bike. Because when you can afford a Pinarello, you need some money, are most likely a bit older and most likely less flexible.
I at least am happy to have bought a Prince FX last year, which is a bit higher in the front than the Dogma. And having it built from a frameset, much cheaper and completly to my taste, omitting landfill at all.
How have we come to this? a decent ultegra di2 bike costs like a small car , 8000$US and above, and I am not talking about Pinarello only , also most bike brands prices are causing decent bikes become out of reach for many people with these prices, even Canyon becomes on the pricey side taking shipping costs and local taxes, and don't tell me pandemic because this is history now...shame.
No more prince or paris, this two model did not make sales, play with F word and specs
if you ask me, the price for the F9 is ridiculously expensive
A mid-tier bike with a hi-end groupset, I don't think it will sell that well. I suspect it's only there to give the whole F series a hi-end vibe.
Still 3k less than dogma!
@@markedington7171 You could get a Cube Agree with Dura Ace Di2 for 5.700 EUR.
Yeah, $3K less than a nosebleed priced joke known as the Dogma. What a deal indeed. LOL
@@ivanboesky1520 Why are you getting so worked up, Go get a high end Trifox frame for 500$ and be happy ever after. Until the fork snaps, that is.
only downside is tyres and wheels, in other words, no downside
True, and they are such a bargain.
@@takuan650 indeed 5k for a entry level bike. What a bargain
Affordable!!!, they have increased the price by 2000 USD compared to a Prince
The video title should say "affordable"
At those prices I am good with an Athos or Tarmac SL7.
Prices for a Tarmac are comparable. Not to say that makes them more affordeable.
@@SrFedericothat makes no sense
@@bernardo9202 What makes no sense? A S-Works Tarmac SL7 costs 15k EUR, same as Dogma. Specialized Tarmac SL7 with SRAM Force AXS costs 9.200 EUR, about as the F7 with Ultegra Di2.
So, there is no reason to claim the Tarmac offers are more worthwile. But none of them is affordable by any means.
@@SrFederico the Ultegra di2 version with wheels that you don't need to change neither do you need to change tyres, have a better finishing kit than Most has. Either sl7 or aethos costs 6150€
@@SrFederico the sl7 sworks with SRAM red or Shimano dura Ace is at 12500€. 300€ more than this second tier bike with mid tier wheels and tyres as the video says.
And I thought mountain bikes were expensive... entry level f series at 6K? Yikes.
Affordable by all means 😂
$6000 so affordable
Why don't they just continue using the name Prince and Gan it's literally the same but Prince and Gan sounded much more premium then F5 and X1.
These bikes are not value for money so i wont be buying one thank you.
Pinarello is like apple never "affordable" never using best parts for the money.
Sorry to say but this video made me unsubscribe from you guys. Truly the audacity to call it affordable was a joke if giant is affordable not pinarello any pinarello for that matter.
Dogma or nothing…
I’d laugh at any moron I saw riding a Dogma just knowing how they got shafted when they bought it at that silly price. New fools and idiots are born every minute though. 😀😀
@@ivanboesky1520 they are in fact no more expensive than other top of the range bikes…’cheaper’ than same spec s works in fact.if offered..most people would take one.. justas they would take an Audi over a Skoda..expensive and top of the range things aren’t for everyone.. each to their own.. it’s what makes you happy.. it’s maybe you that’s the moron of you think people being happy are morons no?
@@ivanboesky1520 lmao not wrong
Affordable? This costs more than my car. I’d say any bikes in the £1k price range would be affordable to the masses not this!
1k is affordable if cycling isn’t your main hobby. The price of affordable increases the more you partake
Pinerello is the most budget looking top end bike. Disgusting
Loloool. Cheaper? Still too expensive
this is why I dont subscribe to cw - it's for millionares
big price for chinese carbon. good for idiots who believe it is italian
That could be said for almost all brands, so what's the point?
@@SrFederico exactly nobody calls Apple a Chinese company
And it’s Taiwan…
..where nearly all top end frames are made… in fact it pains me to say I’d probably trust it more than anything from Italy! Let Italians do the styling.. they r good at that!
Taiwan makes the most bad ass semi conductors and chip sets this planet has ever seen. I think they are good on the carbon fiber. People act like Taiwanese carbon isn’t the sh*t
Affordable? Lol
overrated and over priced bikes i like ridley better and you get so much more.
I can get a better bike for a few hundred dollars in the second hand market