NEW 2024 IRONS HEAD To HEAD | Mizuno Pro 245 vs Ping i530
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- 2 of the MOST Popular Irons of 2024 goes Head To Head, Mizuno Pro 245 vs the newly released Ping i530. Both Hollow Bodied Players Distance Irons looking to maximise Distance and Forgiveness but with a more Players aesthetics to provide as much Game Improvement help but in a slightly smaller chassis. Which one gets your vote? Ping i530 or Mizuno Pro 245.
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Great viewing as always Jay
Great job 🎉 is it possible to do a comparison of 245, i530 & the new TM P770.
Can do although the P770s will be at a disadvantage straight away due to loft. The i530 and 245 but less so are slightly larger Players Distance irons more like the P790 in dimensions. I fear that physics will dictate a loser unfairly so 👍🏻
I think you have the best club reviews on RUclips but it drives me crazy you haven’t done any of the Titleist iron lines. T100,150,200 would be a great review.
Hi Chris, drives me crazy too..... Please contact Titleist and ask them to answer my many attempts at getting in vontsct with them to strike up a Media Relationship 🤷 unfortunately until they decide to reply, I'm stuck with no Titleist to test 😕
@@AskGolfNut that is insane to me. I see so many RUclipsrs with reviews. That said, can you just get a fitting set from another local pro shop that does fittings and in turn shout them out for the help? We need your reviews! Don’t let Titleist stop them!
@chrisbouriat6947 I agree it's insane, but due to the unique way I review equipment, by physically testing the forgiveness of different parts of the face etc, I have in some cases been met with some resistance letting me test them. Now that can be taken a numbers of different ways depending on cynical one is 😊
On the topic of borrowing the fitting cart from a local pro shop. I have actually approached a local golf course (Bury St Edmunds) and they basically said no 🤣
Unfortunately in the golfing world, Pros don't like others Pros around their territory on the basis of fear that the incoming Pro will 'steal' a portion of their customer base for lessons etc. Now regardless of me saying that I only do the odd lesson here and there now since moving to a full time RUclips business model, they still have this massive resistance to it 🤷
Personally, I feel that other Pros should feel more confident in their own ability as a coach and if they are worried about a fleeting visit from another Pro messing with their client base then they themselves need to look at their own performance and deliver a better experience to their customers 🤷👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great review as always. I just got fit into the 245's and had the pleasure of comparing the i530, P790, P770 and a few others that didn't make the cut. With all the amazing clubs coming out in this category (players distance) going through a fitting will get you into your most optimal situation. These match ups really helped me see how close all the major brands are. The difference of which club works best can come down to what suits the eye, the sound and the feeling on the hands. Thanks for putting out another great review.
You're very welcome David and thank you for your kind feedback. Glad you went trough a rigorous process to determine your correct iron setup. It makes it much more money well spent when it's done properly 👍🏻👍🏻
Jay great as always. If anyone is new to AskGolfNut, Jay provides, by far, the best/most thorough and consistent reviews you will find.
Jay, the results surprised me a little as I expected the i530 to provide more forgiveness. Albeit, there isn't much difference the Pro245 comes out on top and for us who like quiet/soft...wins there too. Looking forward to the Cobra should you have time to get to it and hopefully a non-hollow head match up with the Wilson.
yeah or put the i530 up to the Wilson dynapower forged that I see so many 'super value for money' reviews on YT after just hitting 10 balls or so.
I appreciate that a lot Angelo I really do 👍👍
Always got to love those reviewers who put in so much effort in their reviews that they can hit all of 10 balls with an in depth conclusion 😊😉😉👍🏻
Great work. 👍
Great content 👍
Thank you 🙌👍
This is what the people want! ❤
Thanks very much for the kind feedback 👍
I have just ordered a set of Ping Blueprint wedge to 6 iron and a i530 5 iron. I have changed from 225's and the 245's were just too high launching so tried the 243 vs the Ping and the Ping won looking forward to getting them. Thanks for all the info you are my go to channel when comparing clubs.
The best comparison videos on RUclips for golf clubs bar none thanks to you Jay !!! I’m surprised of the forgiveness comparison as I’d figure the ping would win easily. I tried both models against each other last year and found the pings so much easier to launch for me being a slow swinger.
The new i530 has a surprising amount of vertical gearing on the head that helps with initial launch angle, just need to keep an eye on the spin rates during any fittings 👍
@@AskGolfNut Yes... the other thing I think about is whether the i530 would be easier to hit in the 4, 5, 6 iron range with the initial launch angle help to get it up in the air. It's tough doing these comparisons only using a 7 iron, but I get it for practicality.
Great test. Given that I’m a low ball hitter with low swing speed
i530 has the ability with retro spec lofts to weaken off quite a bit, also the 245 will do the same. The Ping has that vertical gearing which helps launch. Just have to keep an eye on the spin rates during your fitting 👍
Can we see a i230 to 245 comparison, I have a sneaky suspicion the i230 fly just as far and are actually more forgiving even with the added tungsten in the 245 and stronger lofts
Jay, great info as usual. One thing that caught my attention is the mention of these types for player distance irons blurring the lines with GI irons. For those of us looking to refresh our sets, should "we" put Players Distance and GI iron into consideration for testing (Hcp 8-11)? i.e. JPX HM/Pro vs. 245, G430 vs. G530. It may be a stretch, but I wonder how close they really are. Any thoughts here appreciated.
One of the best comparison videos ive seen, loved the miss by miss smash factor comparison
Wanted to toss out this comment before i watch video. In my fitting, it came down to these two as my overall best choices recommend by my fitter. Tested many others as well. Results were so close he said he would be happy if I went either direction. 245's ended up in my bag. Now curious to watch and see your results!
Let me know what you think when you finish it 👍🏻
@AskGolfNut your review results were very similar to the results i saw. Infact on your first set of data results, i had almost the exact same numbers with ball speed, club speed, efficiency, distance, etc. As well as a few extra mishit data points as I am not quite a good as you! I was very pleased with my mishit results with both but i loved the personal feel and looks of the 245's. Still not in yet but i am expecting to weaken loft in our gap session once in. We'll see I guess.
Hi Jay,
I got my customized i530s yesterday! Can’t wait to get out on the course! Thanks for another awesome review.
Nothing like the feeling of unwrapping some new irons 😊
Did you order customised Retro Spec ?
@@jackwest5295 I ordered standard specs red dot but with customized shafts and grips.
I just got fitted and was between these two, but my spin numbers were better with the ping
@markwertschnig8766 everybody's delivery is unique so will always have a small amount of fluctuation which one works best between golfers.
Glad you have found and am happy with your next set of irons 👍🏻
To summarize: they are almost equal for forgiveness, i530 will launch slightly higher and spin slightly less, 245 will sound quieter/"feel" softer. On toe and heel strikes they are almost identical though technically 245 is slightly better, though likely imperceptible on the golf course. I530 is slightly larger vs the more compact 245.
Did I get that right? Excellent video, as always!
Bugger...... Could have saved myself a day and a half's work filming and editing 🤦🤦😁😁👍🏻
@AskGolfNut to be clear, people should watch the video! I listened to it while driving around and then rewatched key parts when I arrived at the destination. You go into more nuance and detail but I wanted to ensure that I got the... wait for it... broae stokes.
@neoinarien you listened extremely well, got all the key points whilst travelling..... See people can multi-task 🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut Don't tell my wife! I am happy to read a book or watch some tv while not folding laundry...
You look to be,size wise, a person that does not need a length adjustment to your irons. You don’t know how lucky you are are. I need overlength irons. Half inch to an inch long. I can’t count the number of times that I demoed irons at standard length and thought they were great. Hi, then ordered them and they were basically unplayable. Too heavy too lite, swing weight out of whack . shaft did not perform the same, etc. etc.. You do everything else in your reviews accepted address this issue. Some OEMs Deal with this issue very well others could care less. Don’t know what you can do about this problem, except talk to the sales reps that you get your demon demo clubs from and ask them to have their company deal with this problem..
I know Mizuno carry a lot of half inch extra shafts within their Fitting cart. Also they have different A and B weighted heads for the different shafts used to ensure that swingweight isn't affected. It would be really interesting to know whether you tackled this with a manufacturer that the in real life ones do not in any way reflect the demo ones to make the decision of payment. There's always a reason, it's just depending on how transparent the fitting process is 👍🏻
Mizuno has dispensed with their A/B heads. My latest calamity was a week ago with an order of JPX FORGED. They came thru cockeyed. I called Mizzy for an explanation and was informed of this. Back in the day when they did have A and B heads. The problem was that the B head was so light if you ordered them with a graphite shaft, you’d end up with an Iron that felt similar to a car antenna. It was so light. I was actually advised by one of their sales reps to order a heavy shaft for overlength orders because of this. I ordered a very expensive set of PXG irons back in the day with an MMT graphite shaft those irons came through at something like C7 or C8 swing weight wear upon. I called the company and asked for an explanation and was advised by one of the manages to use some lead tape to tweek the swing weight Well at $400 a club I don’t think I should be gumming up a set of irons with lead tape. Taylormade doesn’t sell by swing weight or at least they didn’t. They just put the shaft in the head and the swing weight came out however it came out one time I ordered a set of Taylormades and they came through a D7 swing weight. I’ve gone through 20 to 25 sets of clubs in the last 10 years because of this problem. I’m simply at wits end. My next foray will be with Ping. I know they can pump something into the head to create a proper swing weight that I may be looking for. Let’s see. This is a real problem through out the industry, that is, making balanced properly swing weighted over length irons. Oh one last sob story. One customer rep for a major OEM actually told me outright that if I wanted a properly fitted over length irons order that I should go to Club Champion or someone like that because they (the OEM) doesn’t have the time or inclination to be so particular. Thanks for listening. At this point I need a shoulder to cry on. 😂 Oh I’ll hit the like button as well.
@jherl8307 that's very kind of you and I feel for your predicament. There is and always will be something that can be or should be down by either fitters or manufacturers at production to alleviate swingweight issues.
When I used to Coach and Custom Fit full time and I had someone that was very sensitive to swingweight, on completion of the fitting and the client settled on a weight then I would physically swingweight the constructed spec and give that to the manufacture to build on that basis.... Never had an issue with weight from that point, sometimes it's really tricky when you have someone that needs really long irons that is difficult to spec as fitters don't have all shaft option in very long shafts. 👍🏻
Wish we had better fitters in Florida. Our options are Club champion who only try to upsell you on shafts and you fit hitting a 6 iron which is weird. Golf Galaxy and PGA store just seem to have young guys telling you whatever their managers told them to sell that week.
If anyone has better options let me know because i would like to upgrade this season.
Another great review. A+++++++. This one makes me think I need to blend the 221’s with the 245’s……
i530 versus wilson dynapower forged -- which would you pick and why?
Thanks, another great one. Any thought on the 245's versus the Dynapower forged? Or maybe there's a conparison planned? So many great options this year ...
Waiting on my 245's taking 3-4 weeks to get them here but its going to be great when I finally get them in.
I’m supposed to be getting my customized 245s tomorrow (i say ‘supposed’ because I’ve been waiting nearly 2 months already and Mizuno keeps pushing the date back). Any idea what the issue is at Mizuno? Is it too many orders or just good old Mizuno customer service? I’ve gone 2* weaker and am looking forward to gaming them for a long time and being able to strengthen the lofts again as i get older and lose speed (not that I’m crazy fast to begin with 😂)
Are you located in the UK? Also what retailer did you get your custom fitted irons from and what date was your purchase? 👍🏻
No, I'm not based in the UK (based in the EU). Honestly, no need to dig into it. Was just wondering if you'd heard of any supply chain issues with Mizuno.😀
But date of purchase was 24 Feb
@GCasRod I have yes on certain product lines 245s being one. If I had the info I'd be able to give you an idea. Although if you are, supplied by the UK which I think you may, then you will be waiting until early to mid April for 245 builds 👍🏻
Thanks Jay!
Hi Jay, another superb informative video! I think you have just made my mind up for me, will be purchasing the Mizuno Pro 245. Have done a fitting with the 245, 243, and some other clubs and the Mizuno Pro 245 came out on top for me. Unfortunately, the fitter did not have the shaft I currently play ( Mitsubishi MMT 85gm) but had the Recoil 95 which performed well. I think I will order 2 clubs, 5 irons with one with the MMT and one with the Recoil 95 and play them both for a week or so to compare then I will place my order for the remainder of the set. Just want to pick your brain if I may. I am playing Apex Pro irons right now that I picked up used and the lofts were strengthened by 2 degrees which I did not realize at the time of purchase. I know this lowers the bounce 2 degrees as well and I seem to get very short square divots, could this be due to lack of enough bounce. It seems to make the turf interaction feel a bit harsher than I would expect. Thoughts??
Hi Mark, do you know your angle of attack and dynamic loft numbers you deliver for any of your Apex irons? 👍
Hi Jay, don’t know the dynamic loft off hand but angle of attack is always between 4 and 5 degrees down
The reason I ask and not to overstep an upcoming video on the subject but, the APEX Pros are fairly low bounce irons, much along a similar route that most manufacturers go for their Players irons range. If you are hitting down 4 to 5 degrees and let's say for assumption purposes you are also through shaft lean delofting about the same, then there won't be any bounce delivered whatsoever. It could be either side, delivering positive 1 degree or so or even negative bounce. Turf interaction is a huge myth that I will most probably tackle on Mondays Open to All Live Stream at 7pm UK Time.
For the vast majority of people bounce is a huge nothingness 👍🏻👍🏻
If you are experiencing difference in turf interaction, I can near on guarantee it's not due to bounce 👍🏻
Thanks for your insight on this…very interesting…you are a wealth of knowledge!
Haven’t tested these irons, but I bet dollars to donuts neither could kick my Ben Hogan PTx Pros out of the bag!
Love the comparison chart. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it! 👍🏻
Great review as always Jay, the one we had been waiting for club fitting booked 👍
Let me know how the fitting process goes 👍🏻
Jay, will do.
How many clubs would you recommend to try on the fitting have quite a short list, 245, 530, Pxg gen 6P (as currently play gen3 T), zx5 and dynapower forged . Looking for a little more distance as i get older but still like the softer feel.
@garyshaw2954 depending on your endurance and you propensity to change swing speeds as you get tired, I would limit the testing to maybe 3 heads. Shaft choice with the Mizuno can be fairly quick as you'll remove a lot of wasted swings. Other manufacturers fittings may well extend the stay. Just keep an eye on your club delivery to check when you are showing signs of fatigue 👍🏻
Exactly the comparison I’ve been waiting for. Been testing on my own and am down to these two clubs. Still haven’t picked one
Hoping that this video helps you decide which one 😉👍
Me too ...went to the simulator today...kinda leaning towards the 530.
@@jamesfrancis7284 funny that you say that. i hit the range last night again and have hit about about 300 balls with each club. all range outdoors on mat limited monitor
Ping i530: so easy to hit and longer (1.5 stronger lofted), ballflight is sometimes high and other times flat and looks low spin. launch is 15-16.5 degrees
245 pro: feels great but less forgiving then the ping, higher ballflight and launches 17-19 degrees
still testing lol
I’ve tried both for the past month and I’m in the same boat as you. The 245s feel so nice when hit well but I was more consistent with the i530s. I currently have Mizunos but I think I’m leaning toward the i530s as my next purchase.
@@jdbautista3274 so i am roughly 2000 plus balls in for testing and ive hit a bunch of differnet brands and shafts. The one i am going with is the mizuno jpx 923 forged
I530 ordered now the wait 😢😢
Great set of irons Craig, let me know how you get on 👍
@@AskGolfNut Hi Jay, got my I530s last week, and love them, feel better than I had expected and fitted with modus 105 shafts I'm liking the flight they give me. Hopefully the love affair continues 🤣
Thanks for all your hard work and thorough, detailed analysis. I have a question about the results for center, heel, low and toe results. You focused on efficiency adjusted for loft difference. But I was looking for variation in carry, how much you might lose from an off center strike. The Mizuno had carry ranging from 171 to 182, with club speed 88.5 to 90.7. So pretty consistent. Probably would be even less difference if club speed was identical, but you are human, not a robot. The Ping had what at first looks like such a huge difference that you would not want to use the club. Carry from 153 to 188. But look at the club speed. It ranged from just 81.9 to 92.2. That is a far, far wider range than the Mizuno. If you take out the low strike, where club speed was only 81.9 and carry as a result only 153, the Ping produces much more consistent results with club speed ranging from 91.9 to 92.2 and carry from 182 to 188. That is only 6 yards. If you do the same for the Mizuno, drop the low strike, you get club speed 88.5 to 90.7 and carry 173 to 182, which is a 9 yard difference. If the range of club speeds was as narrow for the Mizuno minus low strike as for the Ping minus low strike, I think the carry difference would come down and be the same as for the Ping at 6 yards. And if the club speed for the Mizuno was as high as you got for the Ping, or the Ping as low as for the Mizuno, I think the carry differences would be more like 5 or 6 yards rather than the 9 to 11 yds you got. And that difference would be due purely to the difference in lofts. So both clubs would be virtually identical in forgiveness.
Hi John, due to the very complex nature of the answer (I've just tried to answer it, spend ages making a reply and it doesn't really make sense reading it through so deleted it for this response), what's best is to raise this exact question during the Live Stream tomorrow (7pm UK Time and will be on for a couple of hours no doubt). That way I can give you an explanation that covers all your points and makes sense 👍🏻👍🏻
Your strikes with the Pro 245 are nearly all toe-down, while the i530 are all flat. I’m thinking if you bent the lie angle to fit your swing and struck it level you would have better results with it over the competition. I saw the same in your 245 vs TM 790 video. Surprised you haven’t bent the Pro 245 to fix this…?
Hi Garth, they are all media samples that come through as they come. Lie angle will affect dispersion patterns horizontally but within reason everything else will be fine. When it comes to my gaming set absolutely they are lie angle adjusted 👍🏻
Hi Jay! I know the Pro 245 7 iron, 6 iron and down are equally as forgiving as the P790, i530 and T200. My question is,since Mizuno takes away all of the tungsten in the 8 iron through wedge, is it still equally as forgiving as the P790, i530 and T200 in the 8 iron and down? I know the P790 drops the tungsten in the 8 iron and down too. I am not sure when the i530 and T200 drop their tungsten? I am just curious if the Pro 245 becomes a little bit more of better ball strikers iron on the 8 iron and down vs P790, i530 and T200.
Thank you, Joe
The main reason tungsten starts coming out in 8 irons etc is that loft deflection starts having a greater impact on forgiveness and launch than the tungsten itself so starts to become a pointless inclusion or at least not something that has such a beneficial use like in the mid to long irons. Most manufacturers blend the technology so that golfers don't get ballooning trajectories 👍🏻
Great video again Jay, came to the video late as I’m considering a change from my PXg gen4’s into the 245 or 530 as recent health issues have I think lost me some speed. I suspect the 245’s may win out but the ability to (more easily?) bend the Pings will I think be a factor. love the new analysis chart, helps with my understanding.
Hi Roy glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for the kind feedback 👍🏻
Love the information and delivery, thank you very much!
Going into the video I assumed the 245 would end up less forgiving but more consistent. They both tested extremely well but kudos to Mizuno because the 245 was just a forgiving.
Getting hard to tell myself a 2⁰ weak set of 245 isnt the play over an i230, 243, t150 type iron. The only thing I worry about is gaps with my speed but that can be adjusted.
Absolutely, I'd get them weakened to 32 (2 weak) if it was me at my speed or even 33. There isn't any issues gapping wise with the 5, 7 and 9 that I have so any distance gapping issues seem to have been resolved, weakening them will just dial, back the distance 👍🏻 👍🏻
Loving the new smash factor drop-off comparison. Very close competitors, great time to look for new clubs. Or not, hah.
Glad you like the new graphic, comes at a slight cost in editing time but it seems to help the viewing public keep track of how one does compared to the other 👍
Like that ping bag i got the same one. Was looking for a honest good review and you absolutely nailed it. Much appreciated
Ping do make some seriously good bags, have always liked them as a brand making solid equipment for all golfers 👍🏻
Great and fair review!
One additional test would be damp conditions. My understanding is the i530 with the extra grooves perform better, maintaining the spin. Is this correct? Certainly something to think about for morning dew sweepers.
Hi Brent, I've done similar tests in the past and haven't seen any statistical difference between the data sets. I think it's best evaluated like this...... If having a million grooves was giving a true performance gain, 1. other manufacturers would copy it without question and 2. Ping themselves still have and continue to release model without it 🤔🤔🤔👍🏻👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut don’t Ping also have a special Pearloid finish that the water doesn’t adhere to the face, resulting in less skidding & fliers?
Excellent compare Jay. Thank you.
My pleasure! Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻
this is my favorite golf channel
Thanks very much 👍🏻
Thanks you!
Hey mate have you done any forgiveness tests on the Titleist range for this year? More so T200’s??
Titleist are an absolute pain in the backside to get hold of. I have tried multiple times on different platforms to get hold of their products to test but let's say they aren't the best at replying... Which leaves the channel with no Titleist irons to review. I will continue to pester them as it would be a good addition to the channel 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut ah how frustrating! Only so much one can do!
Excellent comparison as usual!
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻
Against the p790?
Hi, both the P790 vs 245 and P790 vs i530 are on my channel video listing already for you to watch 👍🏻👍🏻
Once more thumbs up Jay
and a comment as well.... thanks 👍👍
Tables are very useful! 🔥
It all taeks a long time to create but on balance I believe it's a good use of my time to try and make it easier to follow and keep track of how one compares to another 👍🏻
Brilliant as usual, thanks..👍
You're very welcome Geoff..... Glad someone appreciates the hard work that goes into these comprehensive reviews unlike a very select few that like to leave less than helpful comments 😉😉😉👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Mizuno for me😎
On feel absolutely 👍🏻👍🏻
thank you!
You're very welcome 👍🏻
Ha Potters is one of my local courses.
Sorry if I don't do it justice 😊
@@AskGolfNut And possibly the easiest par 3 on that course....
god ur videos r good.
I've been called many things so that's definitely one I'll take on the positives 🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻 glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻
@@AskGolfNut no nonsense. Data driven. To the point 👍
Similar performance. 245 definitely better. 530s just ugly as hell with that missing piece in the hosel. 🤷🏻♂️
Great review. I’m an old man but would still love to own a set of those Mizuno’s. One thing. Nobody in the UK pronounced that steel properly. It is NOT cra-moly. It is two word together. Chrome and Moly. Gun barrels are made of the same
Steel. It has always been Chrome Moly, but you just say the two name together. You see, this is a name not a word. It is a name of a type of steel. Names are not the same as words.
Thanks!
Hi there Freddie, thanks so much for your donation and continued support of the channel and my direction of bringing the most comprehensive reviews and compares on RUclips 👍🏻👍🏻
Way to much waffling can you not just put numbers up instead of going on about them for most of it
There is a skip ahead button and also the volume slider to quieten me whilst you study the data.... I'm aware that my voice or my explanation isn't everyone's cup of tea. That's where the mute button comes in, or watch someone else's video where they just hit it on a course and give no objective result 🤣🤣👍🏻
Now I get where the old saying. Simple Simon comes from..
Would you weaken the lofts on the 245’s ? They are very strong .
For me personally I would weaken them as much as I could if I was playing these. Problem is that the Mizunos will bend (retail custom) by 3 degrees in the amount of both direction so either 3 deg in Loft of Lie or a combo of both. As I'm in between 1 to 2 Upright, I would be limited to the amount I could weaken them off by. 👍