as a Kali self practioner, me and my big brother almost broke my right arm and almost became a juego todo. kinda hard to be self teaching on this one ngl
Thanks for featuring SJ. I've been following your channel for a while - very cool stuff! The cross-legged hug is banned in SJ for good reason. It's executed differently than the examples of "drop ko soto gake" that you showed. The SJ version endeavors to keep your leg wrapped and to apply an extreme amount of pressure to your opponents leg while you drop your weight onto it. The result is often a broken leg. This move was a favorite of Beijing brawlers back in the 50's and 60's. Mr. Li is demonstrating an extremely "polite" version in the vid. As you know, SJ people (CMA in general) try to stay on their feet, for a number of reasons. Therefore, any movement taught in SJ that goes to the ground endeavors to actually finish off your opponent.
Great stuff again bro. In Shuaijiao all of these are still legal and done except the first technique (which still allows certain variations of it). In Bokh they are all legal. The Degee with the chin strap is a Bokh variation hence why he’s doing it (especially with underhook) and quite common. Lastly the “cross legged hug” technique shown here for shuaijiao and the variation for judo are two different techniques. Both are still done but this Shuaijiao variation used to be frowned upon because it turns into a kneebar submission though still used. Matter of fact Ariela uses it and won a few comps with it. The judo variation is a different technique that we call Gashaa here and is one of the most common for both Shuaijiao and Bokh among the Mongol players. Love the breakdowns, keep going!
even someone without grappling experience will instinctively try to trip, hold the opponent's arm, or headlock their opponent if both combatants got into a grappling match.
Since you make this video I think you'll be interested in the channel "Mu Shin Martial Culture" currently he's making some videos on SJ that you may be curious about, with part 3 coming out soon enough.
He's had lavell Bryant on his channel, who was just on the mu shin channel. I actually contacted him via insta after seeing him on this channel to ask about training shuai jiao in china
You are very special and I always say that your channel is one of the best channels by choosing the best good topics in the world of martial arts in addition to your distinctive style of presentation and value-added information
I think rokkyo is made up name at your local dojo . Waki-gatame is a well known term derived from pre-judo era, and people (both aikido and judo folks) didn’t bother to add another name to it
@@shodansmith But there is no roku in the Aikido kihon. It only goes as far gokyo, with that one being a quite odd knife take down that doesn't get practiced much. The technique shown in the video exists in Aikido (& most other martial arts) but it's not called roku in aikido, and it's certainly not part of the kihon waza. Most aikido dojo would describe it something along the lines of omote tenkan hiji kansetsu
Dang bro, that first technique was giving me flashbacks of when Shinya Aoki broke Keith Wasniewski's arm with that Waki Gatame in that mma bout back in the day. Vicious kansetsu waza
I did a whole Chen style seminar on just its throws. Opened my eyes. Was explained to me that over 80% of applications is grappling (throws or chin na).
Shuaijiao's roots are very deep. There are also multiple Shuaijiao styles... Baoding style, Sanshou Kuaijiao, military "combat shuaijiao", etc... one of the old sayings in Gongfu... "Shuai, Ti, Da, Na" (roughly translated to "throw, joint lock, strike, kick").
Yes! Combat Shuaijiao is a Taiwanese branch of Baoding Kuaijiao, developed by Chang DongSheng and his students (Primarily David CK Lin). They have Xingyi and Shaolin influence as well as modern Sanda / sanshou. Essentially it’s like mixing Boxing or kickboxing with Wrestling, but the wrestling itself is still Shanpuying Shuaijiao (Buku). The diff styles themselves are relatively new, from the later 1800’s into the 1900’s but Shanpuying wrestling was officially started in the mid 1600’s. Prior to that it was just Mongolian wrestling (Bokh). This is tracing back specifically what we call “Chinese Shuaijiao” today.
@@bboyshaolin I appreciate the informative reply good sir. I've been a fan of your martial arts work for a while now. Big respect to all the warriors keeping the spirit of Gongfu alive in the modern day!
I think this martial art may be the ancestor of jujutsu and, thus, judo. And may have indirect influence on catch wrestling. Which led to pro wrestling and luta livre.
The drop kosoto gaki look closer the Shuai Jiao is maintaining the leg wrap which can hyperextension the knee just as a figure four to the knee joint. While the Judoka are unwrapping the leg after the lift.
We should campaign to unban morote gari, basic double legs and single legs. They would make it much more effective for MMA, self defense, and against opponents you dont want to clinch. Banning it so olympic judo didnt look a lot like wrestling is the biggest nonsense EVER
Even if I was a Khabib level grappler I dont want to clinch chest to chest a guy 5 inches 40lbs heavier than me in the street, even if I have a dominant position/grip. I want to single leg him and mix it up
The idea of all so-called combat sports is to make a spectacular show, not to demonstrate real martial arts. That's why all effective and possibly dangerous technics are banned - people just won't pay for a 5-8 seconds long sparring. You want to destroy a martial art? Make it a sport!
@@Cody-gu8li you can, and yet, there are rules for self defence, I guess depending on where you live. Here in Canada If I was attacked I would have to prove to the court that I did my human best to extricate myself before resorting to physical combat in Any way or I could also get charged...
While Judo is one of my favorite martial arts (maybe even my number one favorite) Shuai Jiao is equally interesting to me. Something I especially like about Shuai Jiao is the use of the legs. I also love to use my legs in much the same way when it comes to grappling. I've heard many different things about the history of Shuai Jiao and I've noticed that those who aren't familiar think of it as, "Chinese Judo." I won't go any further into the version of history I heard, but it's interesting nonetheless.
The only bad thing is shuai jiao has no ground work As for shuai jiao the name is Chinese from a ancient chines wrestling style but modern day shuai jiao is most from Mongolian and Manchurian wrestling from the Qing dynasty era.
@@teovu5557 I've also heard that some still practice the other techniques it once had such as striking and joint locks, but I don't know how accurate that is. Thanks so much for your comment by the way. I really appreciate you taking the time to share this information with me. :) I hope that you're doing well and that you are having a wonderful day.
The striking and locks weren’t a part of Shuaijiao. It was added by people that trained in other arts later in the 1800’s and early 1990’s. The name Shuaijiao itself is a new term. Zhong Guo shi Shuaijiao or what we call Chinese style wrestling today isn’t a Chinese art, it’s Mongol Manchu. The real wrestling styles of the Chinese(Han) are long gone . Today’s version is almost purely Manchu Mongol from the 1600’s, hence why it’s name was Buku(Manchu for wrestling which was a loanword from Momgolian Bokh) until the Chinese changed it 20 years after the collapse of the Qing. Prior to that it was just 1600’s it was just Bokh. Fun fact, the first teachers of the Shanpuying (Where “Shuaijiao” was developed) were Mongol wrestlers. This was recorded in official records by the emperor himself whom was unhappy that the Manchus kept losing so he hired Mongols to teach the Manchu youth. From there it turned into what we have today. 🙏🏾
@@bboyshaolin That would explain why Mongolian Bohk and Shuai Jiao look so alike. I've always wondered why that would be so my assumption was that at some point the two groups of people exchanged techniques or something to that affect. I'm glad to know the truth behind it, though. Thanks so much for taking the time to teach me about this, and I hope that you are living a happy and successful life. :) Also, I apologize for my lack of previous unfamiliarity. Thanks again for sharing this and I really appreciate you being so kind about it as well. I probably don't need to tell you how sometimes there are those who seem to get some kick out of talking down to others who don't know the same things they do.
@@bboyshaolin wouldn't Tai Chi or other so called "Kung Fu arts" be considered as Han style wrestling... But just that the combat application for those techniques have been lost or replaced with the Mongolian and Manchu styles?
I recall back in the early days of Inside Kung Fu, this are was featured. It is said to be very effective in the right hands, just like any art. This was like 40 or so years ago. I recall that they showed a very old, but fit master of it. Thank you for showing it in action.
Must be my lucky day! I missed this when it was first uploaded, thats why I binge on your past videos Chadi. I very much appreciate this comparison. The video on Mongolian wrestling is next. BTW there is evidence that Chinese/Monglian wrestling is at a minimum four thousand years old. Peace.
Chinese martial arts have lots of throws and locks (chin na) which easily pre-date jj and judo in Japan. In fact all culture in japan has been heavily influenced by its larger neighbour - China.
Shuai Jioa looks like a great system. Obvious similarities to Judo but the short sleeve jacket is good due to having less grips which leads to a more balanced throwing form for real world application.
... Shuiao Jiao is sadly very weak against Judo and Bokh specifically Bokh... This was already documented. Shuiao juiao uses too much movement, less leverage and less realism of the fact people have posture, balance and muscles... It's why the Bokh players were able to slam the ShuaioJiao wrestler.
@@mishaaskar3323 SJ competition has its own rules that would be difficult for judo guys to pull off there techniques. Same for Judo comp and Bohk/Mongolian Wrestling.. MW's sensitivity to touch is higher in tune cause of there lifestyle and brotherhood of training. It always how you train. Nothing weak anywhere, heighten your senses.
Sleeves like on Modern gi were a common thing back in the day with clothing so more practical than, No gi is a thing however and the early versions actually have short sleeves, not practice too much nowadays but there are still people focus on that. check out channels like Nick Yonezuka and chadi got a few videos on the topic like the military Judo one.
Hi chadi thanks for another great upload i was wondering if you know of any judo academy's near the inland empire that does plenty of ne waza i want to put my son in i have judo gene LaBelle's school here but thought maybe there was something closer to me
Another difference as it seems (I'm not a Judo student) for 4:45 (Outside single-legged hook). While you are correct things needs to start with a grip, that there is considered a grip, which I guess in Judo does not.
Was about to say this is just Chinese Judo but it's actually more dangerous. I recently purchased some old VHS tapes of Shuai Jiao and the little I have watched it looks very interesting.
@@kakuto435 I never said Judo was older. Jujitsu is much older and Judo comes from that art. I was just pointing out and used the word " Judo " because SJ is similar to the throwing methods of the Japanese art.
Curious question I have for you Chadi - How do you find the footage of various techniques being done from actual matches? I have been watching your channel for many years now. Keep up the great content. Thanks
@@adamsmith577 jujutsu is not of Chinese influence, Most Japanese martial arts don't origin or influence from China, that also isn't true about ninja got nothing to do with monks, ninja were spies and Commando units. What is known as SJ is actually younger than judo, on a side note an interest was taken with Jujutsu and later on to judo during the late qing to early Republican era. 神道六合流与上海“虹口道场”之谜 梦幻的预见性--民国武术家对地面技之研究① 解密柔术家野口清与天津武术会（1908） Only Chinese sorry a translator app could help tho, they're all from the same source so you can read more if you want.
@@eagle162 I've been to 6 different judo schools that never once taught anything military outside of olympic judo. Been to 3 different SJ masters, and all of them taught the martial non-sport techniques.
@@ibaryabaq9197 what I was saying is both main purpose is sports you can find people that teach outside that area tho maybe harder than the other but possible checkout Nick Yonezuka Channel,and that this is modern stuff.
shaui jiao black donkey roll does look similar to ikkyo irimi in aikido quite correct !, even headlock and O-uchi gari combo is same as kali/escrima technique Baliog Palami ! " as long as man has two arms and two legs ,we will all fight with similar technique !", - Bruce Lee
It looks nothing like ikkyo of any kind. It's a straight out arm bar, which ikkyo is not. The technique shown in the video exists in Aikido, & most other martial arts. Most aikido dojo would describe it something along the lines of omote tenkan hiji kansetsu
I am shocked thst Kali would name its slams... Kali usually works off concepts and not techniques. Also most of Kali stems from Silat as they are direct cousins because Indonesians and Malaysians are the reason we have the Asian stock here in the Philippines, the origin al inhabitants are the Aetas who are cousins to the Australian Aborigines and look exactly the same. Ther eis also the fact, Philippines was governed by Bob Majapahit and Sri-Vijaya kingdoms before the Spanish came and super imposed Christianity unto the islands and by the sword. Colonized it for 400 years, bringing with them the Sword styles of Barcelona and Toledo. Hence Kali combining techniques and concepts and naming moves in Spanish such as Daga Y Espada, or Mano Y Mano, even the name Arnis and Eskrima is Spanish. Only lately did the change of techniques and concepts started to take Dialect names like Kinamutay (from the word Kinamut - to have scratched/ clawed Or Panuntukan - The punching... Direct translation. Sikaran- The Kicking. Doces Pares - The 12 Pairs.( The collective school that grabbed 12 different Arnis styles and put them under one umbrella term) Pekiti Tirsia - is not Filipino by name.. That is Malay. Which kind, not sure. Some even went full blown dialect and made names based in Bisaya, Tagalog, Ilokano, etc... These are just spoken dialects. Some even just full blown tried to över sell the system with weird names like Black Eagle Combat Jurnis ( Judo + Arnis)... Trust me they do it ALOT here.. It hard usually to fine true lineage Kali but the main ones have roots in the 12 Pairs, the Warrior arts of the tribal people or were systems named after people or places.. Example, Balintawak... Its a system that is based on the style of Arnis taught back then on the Street of Balintawak by Anciong Bacon. Real Kali HAD NO NAMES... they were just concepts, no styles. Example Latigo.... Latigo is just Spanish for Whip it eldescribed a way to use the weapon like a whip.
@@iatsd depends on what style of aikido you're doing .there quite few different variants today !. even Gozo Shioda's take on aikido was quite aggressive and direct compare to the Ueshiba O Sensei's version in later life which was more effoertless and circular in motion ;and yet Shioda studied under him ??...thereis even an aikidoflow site on youtube which is more street savvi .??
This is awesome, Chadi, but it appears that each nation has its own unique way, present and historical, of exercising Judo, Jujutsu, and this. When is the website going up.
At 2:00 gripping with lead hand is something Shintaro Higashi covered in a video I had the pleasure viewing yesterday. This brings home the point. Damn.
Li Bao Ru video is from Dante Basili's channel. The old coach in the beginning is Wang Wen Yong 王文永 who was from around Beijing Airport. Tge video was made in around 2005/6, and he just passed away few years ago. The old coach who showed the techniques was 李寶如, and he is from Beijing southern suburb. He is almost 90 years old and still teaching. History of Shuaijiao is NOT controversial. Shuai means grappling, wrestling, throwing. Jiao means Talus. There are many folk Shuai Jiao styles in China, military training in Shuaijiao is well documented in official historical records and private literali writings, and Kang Xi Emperor established the Shan Pu Ying 善撲營 specially for Shuai Jiao and Qin Na, as well as horsemanship and camelmanship.
in bjj there is a banned counter to the single leg with the head on the outside that is known to be a neck breaker, when the oppoenet has your leg and his head is on the outside of your body and you are both standing you can grab his belt and DDT him head first in the ground, on concrete this would be even more devastating
hmmm...2:20...of course, everyone who pratice a certain martial arts could recognize certain patterns...I see with my "glasses" Pinan Sandan in Karate...
Yes. Any activity that requires hard effort is Kung Fu. It would also fall under Wushu, which simply means martial arts. Some of the striking arts of northern China also incorporated some Shuai Jiao techniques into their syllabus.
mm kung fu is a term in Cantonese. to my knowledge Sanda haas included shuai jiao in some part in the curriculum. of course it is modified but the root is there. in general it is considered like any other chinese martial art as an style of its own just like northern prating mantis is, southern praying mantis, ba ji quan , xing yi quan and many many others.
@@darkcorsair247 The modifications to SJ in Sanda came from the fact that in early Sanda matches, the SJ guys would just wade in and throw, which was not exciting to the audience. The rules were modified so that throws can only be initiated after non-throw attack. SJ is considered its own "style" but also exists in most styles of CMA (northern praying mantis, taijiquan, baguazhang, etc.). There are some exceptions, but most have a heavy SJ component.
That move that’s made to snap the neck is vicious if used in a street fight that person would be dead for sure scary to realize how fragile the human body is
3:10 - this can inadvertently happen in bjj/judo sparring out of a headlock if the attacker has the guillotine like lock and drives you backwards and not down. I've experienced it first hand. It was not good...
Not a lot of martial artists have even heard of Shuai Jiao. I am very glad I found your channel. Very informative!
Yeah even tho it's pretty practical lol. I'm a Judoka and Shuai Jiao (also Sambo people) practitioners always are a fricking final boss
i never heard of it literally
The guy demonstrating the techniques is Li Baoru, great coach! I actually trained a tiny bit with him in Beijing 15 years or so ago..
he's a great coach
Shuai jiao looks brutal, I always liked martial arts that teach you dangerous techniques but actually spar like catch wrestling and kali
as a Kali self practioner, me and my big brother almost broke my right arm and almost became a juego todo. kinda hard to be self teaching on this one ngl
Thanks for featuring SJ. I've been following your channel for a while - very cool stuff!
The cross-legged hug is banned in SJ for good reason. It's executed differently than the examples of "drop ko soto gake" that you showed. The SJ version endeavors to keep your leg wrapped and to apply an extreme amount of pressure to your opponents leg while you drop your weight onto it. The result is often a broken leg. This move was a favorite of Beijing brawlers back in the 50's and 60's. Mr. Li is demonstrating an extremely "polite" version in the vid.
As you know, SJ people (CMA in general) try to stay on their feet, for a number of reasons. Therefore, any movement taught in SJ that goes to the ground endeavors to actually finish off your opponent.
Correct, it is categorized as a joint lock "submission" into a "down" which is not a throw.
Great stuff again bro. In Shuaijiao all of these are still legal and done except the first technique (which still allows certain variations of it). In Bokh they are all legal. The Degee with the chin strap is a Bokh variation hence why he’s doing it (especially with underhook) and quite common. Lastly the “cross legged hug” technique shown here for shuaijiao and the variation for judo are two different techniques. Both are still done but this Shuaijiao variation used to be frowned upon because it turns into a kneebar submission though still used. Matter of fact Ariela uses it and won a few comps with it. The judo variation is a different technique that we call Gashaa here and is one of the most common for both Shuaijiao and Bokh among the Mongol players. Love the breakdowns, keep going!
It's amazing how all grappling styles are so similar to each other.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
It's almost as if bodies and the physics of mechanics are the same everywhere.
It’s almost like humans made all of them
They really truly are, but there’s still so much tribalism.
even someone without grappling experience will instinctively try to trip, hold the opponent's arm, or headlock their opponent if both combatants got into a grappling match.
Since you make this video I think you'll be interested in the channel "Mu Shin Martial Culture" currently he's making some videos on SJ that you may be curious about, with part 3 coming out soon enough.
Thank you, will do
Chadi Byron is a friend of mine. Ironically, he also follows this channel.
He's had lavell Bryant on his channel, who was just on the mu shin channel. I actually contacted him via insta after seeing him on this channel to ask about training shuai jiao in china
mpforeverunlimited the Shuai Jiao here isn’t as developed as you might expect. I’m here in Beijing now and it isn’t so popular honestly.
You are very special and I always say that your channel is one of the best channels by choosing the best good topics in the world of martial arts in addition to your distinctive style of presentation and value-added information
Most interesting and necessary teaching once again . Thanks again and all the best to you Chadi .
Black donkey rolls on rug is very similar to aikido's rokyo where they both apply pressure to the elbow. Great video as always Chadi.
I think rokkyo is made up name at your local dojo . Waki-gatame is a well known term derived from pre-judo era, and people (both aikido and judo folks) didn’t bother to add another name to it
@@yn5568 Rokkyo means 6th technique in Aikido, basic Japanese counting.
It also similar to pro and CATCH wrestling fujiwari armbar.
@@shodansmith yeah I know, but 1-4 kyo is standard, 5 kyo is often called that or kime for tanto-dori. 6 kyo is non existent
@@shodansmith But there is no roku in the Aikido kihon. It only goes as far gokyo, with that one being a quite odd knife take down that doesn't get practiced much.
The technique shown in the video exists in Aikido (& most other martial arts) but it's not called roku in aikido, and it's certainly not part of the kihon waza. Most aikido dojo would describe it something along the lines of omote tenkan hiji kansetsu
More Shuai Jiao vids please!
👍🏼 Shuai Chiao practitioner here.
Sinosphere (China, Korea, and Japan) have had a long history of mutual cultural influence and exchange, which is why many things appear similar.
Dang bro, that first technique was giving me flashbacks of when Shinya Aoki broke Keith Wasniewski's arm with that Waki Gatame in that mma bout back in the day. Vicious kansetsu waza
Aoki's armlock was done using a "weezer" type of grip if I'm not mistaken, and he finished it standing. Amazing technique.
Maybe you could try exploring the lost grappling art of Chen Style Tai chi quan next.
I did a whole Chen style seminar on just its throws. Opened my eyes. Was explained to me that over 80% of applications is grappling (throws or chin na).
shuai jiao is beautiful, why it's not more popular is beyond me !
Chadi you channel is very professional!
Kansetsu is no longer allowed while standing, unless they have done a weekly change of rules.
Shuaijiao's roots are very deep. There are also multiple Shuaijiao styles... Baoding style, Sanshou Kuaijiao, military "combat shuaijiao", etc...
one of the old sayings in Gongfu... "Shuai, Ti, Da, Na" (roughly translated to "throw, joint lock, strike, kick").
Thank you for sharing this
Yes! Combat Shuaijiao is a Taiwanese branch of Baoding Kuaijiao, developed by Chang DongSheng and his students (Primarily David CK Lin). They have Xingyi and Shaolin influence as well as modern Sanda / sanshou. Essentially it’s like mixing Boxing or kickboxing with Wrestling, but the wrestling itself is still Shanpuying Shuaijiao (Buku). The diff styles themselves are relatively new, from the later 1800’s into the 1900’s but Shanpuying wrestling was officially started in the mid 1600’s. Prior to that it was just Mongolian wrestling (Bokh). This is tracing back specifically what we call “Chinese Shuaijiao” today.
@@bboyshaolin I appreciate the informative reply good sir. I've been a fan of your martial arts work for a while now. Big respect to all the warriors keeping the spirit of Gongfu alive in the modern day!
以前有位常東昇 人稱花蝴蝶 保定快摔 真正一絕
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Uussshhh
Cool stuff!!!
Cool stuff!
Chadi, you are one my favorite, your typics are very informative and educational.
I think this martial art may be the ancestor of jujutsu and, thus, judo. And may have indirect influence on catch wrestling. Which led to pro wrestling and luta livre.
It isn't and didn't.
And which led to bit ankle 🤣🤣😋
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your insight. Very good narration.
The drop kosoto gaki look closer the Shuai Jiao is maintaining the leg wrap which can hyperextension the knee just as a figure four to the knee joint. While the Judoka are unwrapping the leg after the lift.
We should campaign to unban morote gari, basic double legs and single legs. They would make it much more effective for MMA, self defense, and against opponents you dont want to clinch. Banning it so olympic judo didnt look a lot like wrestling is the biggest nonsense EVER
Even if I was a Khabib level grappler I dont want to clinch chest to chest a guy 5 inches 40lbs heavier than me in the street, even if I have a dominant position/grip. I want to single leg him and mix it up
The idea of all so-called combat sports is to make a spectacular show, not to demonstrate real martial arts. That's why all effective and possibly dangerous technics are banned - people just won't pay for a 5-8 seconds long sparring.
You want to destroy a martial art? Make it a sport!
you can still use it in self defense there's no rules in that
Could start a new athletic body with different rulesets
@@Cody-gu8li you can, and yet, there are rules for self defence, I guess depending on where you live. Here in Canada If I was attacked I would have to prove to the court that I did my human best to extricate myself before resorting to physical combat in Any way or I could also get charged...
Great documentary and very informative. Thank you Chadi
While Judo is one of my favorite martial arts (maybe even my number one favorite) Shuai Jiao is equally interesting to me. Something I especially like about Shuai Jiao is the use of the legs. I also love to use my legs in much the same way when it comes to grappling. I've heard many different things about the history of Shuai Jiao and I've noticed that those who aren't familiar think of it as, "Chinese Judo." I won't go any further into the version of history I heard, but it's interesting nonetheless.
The only bad thing is shuai jiao has no ground work
As for shuai jiao the name is Chinese from a ancient chines wrestling style but modern day shuai jiao is most from Mongolian and Manchurian wrestling from the Qing dynasty era.
@@teovu5557 I've also heard that some still practice the other techniques it once had such as striking and joint locks, but I don't know how accurate that is. Thanks so much for your comment by the way. I really appreciate you taking the time to share this information with me. :) I hope that you're doing well and that you are having a wonderful day.
The striking and locks weren’t a part of Shuaijiao. It was added by people that trained in other arts later in the 1800’s and early 1990’s. The name Shuaijiao itself is a new term. Zhong Guo shi Shuaijiao or what we call Chinese style wrestling today isn’t a Chinese art, it’s Mongol Manchu. The real wrestling styles of the Chinese(Han) are long gone . Today’s version is almost purely Manchu Mongol from the 1600’s, hence why it’s name was Buku(Manchu for wrestling which was a loanword from Momgolian Bokh) until the Chinese changed it 20 years after the collapse of the Qing. Prior to that it was just 1600’s it was just Bokh. Fun fact, the first teachers of the Shanpuying (Where “Shuaijiao” was developed) were Mongol wrestlers. This was recorded in official records by the emperor himself whom was unhappy that the Manchus kept losing so he hired Mongols to teach the Manchu youth. From there it turned into what we have today. 🙏🏾
@@bboyshaolin That would explain why Mongolian Bohk and Shuai Jiao look so alike. I've always wondered why that would be so my assumption was that at some point the two groups of people exchanged techniques or something to that affect.
I'm glad to know the truth behind it, though. Thanks so much for taking the time to teach me about this, and I hope that you are living a happy and successful life. :)
Also, I apologize for my lack of previous unfamiliarity. Thanks again for sharing this and I really appreciate you being so kind about it as well.
I probably don't need to tell you how sometimes there are those who seem to get some kick out of talking down to others who don't know the same things they do.
@@bboyshaolin wouldn't Tai Chi or other so called "Kung Fu arts" be considered as Han style wrestling... But just that the combat application for those techniques have been lost or replaced with the Mongolian and Manchu styles?
I think the front headlock is the real application of Yang style Tai Chi's Fist Under Elbow
Very good explained. I can imagine the pain very well by the describing from you
I recall back in the early days of Inside Kung Fu, this are was featured. It is said to be very effective in the right hands, just like any art. This was like 40 or so years ago. I recall that they showed a very old, but fit master of it. Thank you for showing it in action.
Must be my lucky day! I missed this when it was first uploaded, thats why I binge on your past videos Chadi. I very much appreciate this comparison. The video on Mongolian wrestling is next. BTW there is evidence that Chinese/Monglian wrestling is at a minimum four thousand years old. Peace.
Always great analysis
What's funny is that alomst all these techniques are allowed in BJJ, and it's still a much safer sport...
Brilliant work… thanks
Thank you, excellent stuff.
@3:25mins it makes u wonder that the person who created this technique centuries ago was so much ahead of his time...
Muchas gracias por su excelente trabajo 👍👍👍
Chinese martial arts have lots of throws and locks (chin na) which easily pre-date jj and judo in Japan. In fact all culture in japan has been heavily influenced by its larger neighbour - China.
I love how you really just apply my shitty CN to Eng technique translation rather than modifying maybe just a bit lol
Shuai Jioa looks like a great system. Obvious similarities to Judo but the short sleeve jacket is good due to having less grips which leads to a more balanced throwing form for real world application.
SJ way way wayyyyy older lineage
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Всё старо как мир, я тренировал этот болевой захват , лёт 35 назад боевое самбо 😀😭
... Shuiao Jiao is sadly very weak against Judo and Bokh specifically Bokh... This was already documented. Shuiao juiao uses too much movement, less leverage and less realism of the fact people have posture, balance and muscles... It's why the Bokh players were able to slam the ShuaioJiao wrestler.
@@mishaaskar3323 SJ competition has its own rules that would be difficult for judo guys to pull off there techniques. Same for Judo comp and Bohk/Mongolian Wrestling.. MW's sensitivity to touch is higher in tune cause of there lifestyle and brotherhood of training. It always how you train. Nothing weak anywhere, heighten your senses.
Sleeves like on Modern gi were a common thing back in the day with clothing so more practical than,
No gi is a thing however and the early versions actually have short sleeves, not practice too much nowadays but there are still people focus on that. check out channels like Nick Yonezuka and chadi got a few videos on the topic like the military Judo one.
Hi chadi thanks for another great upload i was wondering if you know of any judo academy's near the inland empire that does plenty of ne waza i want to put my son in i have judo gene LaBelle's school here but thought maybe there was something closer to me
Another difference as it seems (I'm not a Judo student) for 4:45 (Outside single-legged hook). While you are correct things needs to start with a grip, that there is considered a grip, which I guess in Judo does not.
Was about to say this is just Chinese Judo but it's actually more dangerous. I recently purchased some old VHS tapes of Shuai Jiao and the little I have watched it looks very interesting.
I wouldn't say that check out his video about military Judo or dangerous techniques.
@@kakuto435 it ain't what is known as SJ is actually younger than judo.
@@kakuto435 I never said Judo was older. Jujitsu is much older and Judo comes from that art. I was just pointing out and used the word
" Judo " because SJ is similar to the throwing methods of the Japanese art.
@@eagle162 I am referring to sport Judo not military methods that are used to kill.
Curious question I have for you Chadi - How do you find the footage of various techniques being done from actual matches?
I have been watching your channel for many years now. Keep up the great content. Thanks
Thank you, I get the footage mostly from highlights on youtube, and superstar judo
thanks Chadi, this martial art could use more attention
Shuia jiao's martial background more present today, than Judo. I would imagine many of these moves were in pre-Judo Jui-Jitsu.
I'd imagine that is the case since Japan has been influenced by China. He'll, Chinese monks taught the Japanese Guerilla warfare ( Ninja.)
Probably but both judo and SJ are Mainely sports nowadays and this is modern SJ.
@@adamsmith577 jujutsu is not of Chinese influence, Most Japanese martial arts don't origin or influence from China, that also isn't true about ninja got nothing to do with monks, ninja were spies and Commando units.
What is known as SJ is actually younger than judo, on a side note an interest was taken with Jujutsu and later on to judo during the late qing to early Republican era.
神道六合流与上海“虹口道场”之谜
梦幻的预见性--民国武术家对地面技之研究①
解密柔术家野口清与天津武术会（1908）
Only Chinese sorry a translator app could help tho, they're all from the same source so you can read more if you want.
@@eagle162 I've been to 6 different judo schools that never once taught anything military outside of olympic judo. Been to 3 different SJ masters, and all of them taught the martial non-sport techniques.
@@ibaryabaq9197 what I was saying is both main purpose is sports you can find people that teach outside that area tho maybe harder than the other but possible checkout Nick Yonezuka Channel,and that this is modern stuff.
thank u-Ari
shaui jiao black donkey roll does look similar to ikkyo irimi in aikido quite correct !, even headlock and O-uchi gari combo is same as kali/escrima technique Baliog Palami ! " as long as man has two arms and two legs ,we will all fight with similar technique !", - Bruce Lee
True but not necessarily correct, some fighting styles really look unfamiliar and opposite to one anothe
It looks nothing like ikkyo of any kind. It's a straight out arm bar, which ikkyo is not.
The technique shown in the video exists in Aikido, & most other martial arts. Most aikido dojo would describe it something along the lines of omote tenkan hiji kansetsu
I am shocked thst Kali would name its slams... Kali usually works off concepts and not techniques.
Also most of Kali stems from Silat as they are direct cousins because Indonesians and Malaysians are the reason we have the Asian stock here in the Philippines, the origin al inhabitants are the Aetas who are cousins to the Australian Aborigines and look exactly the same.
Ther eis also the fact, Philippines was governed by Bob Majapahit and Sri-Vijaya kingdoms before the Spanish came and super imposed Christianity unto the islands and by the sword. Colonized it for 400 years, bringing with them the Sword styles of Barcelona and Toledo.
Hence Kali combining techniques and concepts and naming moves in Spanish such as Daga Y Espada, or Mano Y Mano, even the name Arnis and Eskrima is Spanish.
Only lately did the change of techniques and concepts started to take Dialect names like Kinamutay (from the word Kinamut - to have scratched/ clawed
Or Panuntukan - The punching... Direct translation.
Sikaran- The Kicking.
Doces Pares - The 12 Pairs.( The collective school that grabbed 12 different Arnis styles and put them under one umbrella term)
Pekiti Tirsia - is not Filipino by name.. That is Malay. Which kind, not sure.
Some even went full blown dialect and made names based in Bisaya, Tagalog, Ilokano, etc... These are just spoken dialects.
Some even just full blown tried to över sell the system with weird names like Black Eagle Combat Jurnis ( Judo + Arnis)... Trust me they do it ALOT here..
It hard usually to fine true lineage Kali but the main ones have roots in the 12 Pairs, the Warrior arts of the tribal people or were systems named after people or places..
Example, Balintawak... Its a system that is based on the style of Arnis taught back then on the Street of Balintawak by Anciong Bacon.
Real Kali HAD NO NAMES... they were just concepts, no styles. Example Latigo.... Latigo is just Spanish for Whip it eldescribed a way to use the weapon like a whip.
@@iatsd depends on what style of aikido you're doing .there quite few different variants today !. even Gozo Shioda's take on aikido was quite aggressive and direct compare to the Ueshiba O Sensei's version in later life which was more effoertless and circular in motion ;and yet Shioda studied under him ??...thereis even an aikidoflow site on youtube which is more street savvi .??
thanks for the teaching
Wow. A kung fu style that Judo has similarities to.
Well this martial art may be the ancestor of jujutsu and , thus, judo.
@@tichtran8792 That’s what I was thinking. But I wasn’t 100% sure.
@@tichtran8792 could it be the ancestor jujutsu? It looks like a killing art.
@@stuart5811 it's not
@@tichtran8792 That's wrong, actually. Judo was derived from Japanese Jiu-jitsu and not the other way around.
This is awesome, Chadi, but it appears that each nation has its own unique way, present and historical, of exercising Judo, Jujutsu, and this. When is the website going up.
At 2:00 gripping with lead hand is something Shintaro Higashi covered in a video I had the pleasure viewing yesterday. This brings home the point. Damn.
Great video .. subscribed
Thank you
i think the chinese shuai jiao is more Manchurian wrestling than mongolian wrestling, mongolian wrestling is very very different
on the streets there are no hansoku make ... what it takes to protect oneself .
2 words: "Catch Wrestling".
ah. The McDojo, but ONLINE !!
LETHAL & forbidden Shuai
Esa Técnica está genial!!!! Excelente Video!!! Gracias
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Kotegaeshi does hurt like hell. Especially if it’s done correctly and fought. That’s why Aikido-ka have such gracious ukemiwaza.
Judo export good techniques
Some techniques are dangerous, especially involving the wrist, knee, elbow, throat, neck and head.
Li Bao Ru video is from Dante Basili's channel. The old coach in the beginning is Wang Wen Yong 王文永 who was from around Beijing Airport. Tge video was made in around 2005/6, and he just passed away few years ago. The old coach who showed the techniques was 李寶如, and he is from Beijing southern suburb. He is almost 90 years old and still teaching.
History of Shuaijiao is NOT controversial. Shuai means grappling, wrestling, throwing. Jiao means Talus. There are many folk Shuai Jiao styles in China, military training in Shuaijiao is well documented in official historical records and private literali writings, and Kang Xi Emperor established the Shan Pu Ying 善撲營 specially for Shuai Jiao and Qin Na, as well as horsemanship and camelmanship.
The second technique is scary.
Chadi do you know of judo channels for beginners? Tutorials principles and stuff
in bjj there is a banned counter to the single leg with the head on the outside that is known to be a neck breaker, when the oppoenet has your leg and his head is on the outside of your body and you are both standing you can grab his belt and DDT him head first in the ground, on concrete this would be even more devastating
wow
supposedly this move ended quite a few careers in Brazil
This reminds me of Lua the Hawaiian martial art I practiced in the 90's and early 2000's!!!!
Hi Chadi! What is the name of the backgroung song? Thank you very much!
Chadi pls can u send me a link of all the forbidden techniques in judo
hmmm...2:20...of course, everyone who pratice a certain martial arts could recognize certain patterns...I see with my "glasses" Pinan Sandan in Karate...
Though I know this is part of Shuai Jiao, I don’t know if the “sport” allows this in tournaments and these techniques are taught for posterity sake.
These are not allowed in tournaments. I have participated many times. There aren’t many of us, and we don’t wish to do serious harm to our brethren
i like you explain this sentence :
The Hikite traction have the goal to open the angle between homers and trunk of Uke.
i dont know : homers
Thanks
Thank you 🙇🏻♂️
And who say Kungfu doesn't work?
Спасибо большое
That chinstrap technique is perfectly legal in American wrestling, and is actually one of the most basic takedowns you can learn; the bulldog.
Do these techniques fall under Kung Fu generally, or is it a different martial art entirely in China? Cheers.
Yes. Any activity that requires hard effort is Kung Fu. It would also fall under Wushu, which simply means martial arts. Some of the striking arts of northern China also incorporated some Shuai Jiao techniques into their syllabus.
mm kung fu is a term in Cantonese. to my knowledge Sanda haas included shuai jiao in some part in the curriculum. of course it is modified but the root is there. in general it is considered like any other chinese martial art as an style of its own just like northern prating mantis is, southern praying mantis, ba ji quan , xing yi quan and many many others.
Kung fu. 4 pillars of Chinese Kung fu are: punching, kicking, throwing, and locking (joint attacks).
@@darkcorsair247 The modifications to SJ in Sanda came from the fact that in early Sanda matches, the SJ guys would just wade in and throw, which was not exciting to the audience. The rules were modified so that throws can only be initiated after non-throw attack.
SJ is considered its own "style" but also exists in most styles of CMA (northern praying mantis, taijiquan, baguazhang, etc.). There are some exceptions, but most have a heavy SJ component.
Illegal in competition.. But useful when using it on people in real life..
Damn I cant even watch that headlock technique.
Chadi can you make a video about Karo Parisyan?
That would be awesome.
They look like Cheng Bagua moves too....
Ogawa Yusuke is doing First one in championships , he fights in +100, watch it , he does it very safe and acceptable for championships
Next video is shadow clone jutsu.
@Chadi ; did you ever feel like quiting Ludo ?
That move that’s made to snap the neck is vicious if used in a street fight that person would be dead for sure scary to realize how fragile the human body is
Maravilha de técnica de queda em pé, parabéns gostei.
What's the differences between Shuai Jiao, Judo, and Sambo?
I had my elbow dislocated with a Wakigatame about 10 years ago, I am now having problems. When it is applied with force, you are screwed
05:30 "sambo soei-nage", in wich one hand catchs one leg, can be legal again with the new jamase rules for judo?
Nice
@chadi What is the name of the music?
3:04 hope you guys get how dangerous it is...
They both are very experienced martial arts guys.
SJ and Judo are the same thing except their names and the costumes .
No.
3:30 I can't imagine why anybody would need that
3:10 - this can inadvertently happen in bjj/judo sparring out of a headlock if the attacker has the guillotine like lock and drives you backwards and not down. I've experienced it first hand. It was not good...
Agreed! Very dangerous 😟💮
Someone forward this to Xu Xiaodong.
In Judo everything that can break a nail is banned....
Dangerous...