You have no idea what the hell you're talkin about you're talkin about a orange can Fram you're not talkin about a Ultra synthetic Fram it doesn't even use the same interior filter and that's why I always tell people if you don't know what you're talkin about don't say anything because you're not knowledgeable I actually loaded a video at the same time I loaded this one that's up on the channel this shows me breaking it apart and the frame actually has a metal mesh inside supporting the filter that won't allow it to come apart and it's a synthetic material and nanotechnology material like
To many people believe all the b******* on the internet and don't actually do work for them self and actually research things and then they regurgitate false information put out because they don't know
@@FordBossMe this guy is just trying to get on your nerves at this point, you've already opened up fram filters and showed they're good filters and it's obvious they're great filters cause they keep selling
@@FordBossMe Nice observations a very good video, but I just can't bring myself to ever trusting Fram filters. But I have heard good things about FRAM TITANIUM what are your thoughts? Thanks. I really like the STP XL full synthetic oil filters. images.app.goo.gl/XBZxTAGpAUFhHJK96 They are great for the price and are very durable with atleast 98% @ 20 microns. Have you ever tried STP filters? Paired with a good motor oil such as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, they make a robust combination. Also, Motor Craft oil filters are rebranded Purolators but with better Anti drain back valves. I always have had flow issues with purolators, but have had great results when using Ford's OEM version ofcourse. Ford's oil filters have provided me good Blackstone laboratory oil reports, but the need for a higher-quality quality filter media than Motor Craft justifies the use of after market oil filters such as STP XL SYNTHETIC for Peace of Mind. STP OIL FILTERS at least the synthetic versions are rebranded PREMIUM GUARD FILTERS that are high quality. Premium guard filters are what SCOTTY KILMER recommends. The STP filters seem to have a better gasket than the Premium guards making them even better for the value. Thanks.
@@philllsxga.7737 I don't own any GM vehicles. I'm a die hard Ford man so in that regard I would be using motorcraft as an alternative to aftermarket, but going OEM is almost never wrong unless they are the glue backed cheap filters. I have heard and seen good results from AC delco. But I will stick with my Motorcraft/STP filters. I appreciate your insight. What are your experiences with purolator if any? My engine has never liked them. It had to do with the inlet holes etc.
Probably the cleanest motor I ever had used a fram ultra. The previous owner changed his filter every 5,000 miles and added a quart. Then at 15,000 he did a full oil change. The 3.4 GM now has 237,000 miles on it and I haven't had any problems. I did have a replace the plastic intake. I took off the valve covers and was really pleased with how clean it really still is. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Thanks for your videos.
Right? Pretty cool of him to spend the $ to do a us a solid, while contributing to society. Truth and facts from this channel. No wonder it's doing well. He definitely deserves it.
I work for Toyota in the express bay. I would love for you to review a Toyota cartridge style oil filter and what you think of the reusable housing design and replacement of the filter element
Thank you for the excellent videos. And thank you for sticking up for Fram! I use nothing but the Fram Ultra synthetic oil filters on my 1987 Mazda B2200 pickup and 2004 Yamaha FZ1 motorcycle, and 1997 Buick LeSabre. In the past I've used the "dreaded" orange Fram filters with no problems. I tried the expensive Mobil extended performance oil filter once on my Mazda because everyone was bragging about it. Well, everytime I started it up the engine would knock for a few seconds like it was dry starting which scared the blank out of me, so I changed the oil filter back to Fram and no more knocking noises. Needless to say I'm sticking with the Fram Ultra Synthetic filters! It seems strange to me because I've used Mobil 1 synthetic oil in all my vehicles for years and am happy with their oil, so I hope all is well with my vehicles. I still have a Mobil oil filter for my Yamaha and one for my Buick, I don't know whether to try those or maybe I should just chuck them? I noticed they have fewer holes in the base than the Fram filters. Thanks again for your honest opinions, I appreciate the info.
Walmart sells a 25,000 mi Fram Synthetic Endurance filter with even better construction and specs for only $12.97. It even beats the Purolator boss. Better filtering and higher capacity and a heavy duty base plate. Very impressive. Check it out.
Thanks for the taking the time to review such a trivial subject. Because of your recent series of videos, I'll likely be buying the Fram Ultra/trying it out. I just bought a 2010 Tacoma with the 2.7L about two weeks ago and it has the orange Fram filter on that. Which is funny because I thought it was cheap but then I recently saw your videos about these filters. I'll likely cut open that filter come time to change the oil and inspect it. Thanks again!
Best oil filter review channel. Many thanks. I'd sure be interested in you operating these filters with your oil flow station and comparing flow. All the best.
The base Fram orange can has gotten such a bad rap that I never considered even looking at any other Fram product. Really good series of oil filter videos.
For sure. Project Farm cut open a brand new orange Fram and it was already rusting inside and the pleats started to completely fall apart once they were out of the casing. The integrity of the pleats were similar to that of a paper towel. He cut open about 7 other filters of different qualities and none of them were rusted and their pleats were all durable enough for him to lay them all flat.
I’ve been using orange fram filter for 10 years but do oil changes every 4k miles. I always change the filter. Better to buy a cheaper filter and replace it every time then to buy an expensive filter and use it for 15-20k miles
I think it’s better to buy a good filter (at least mid grade quality) and change it every time. It also depends on how long you plan on keeping the vehicle.
@@Lamtitude I do it at 3000 miles, I ran Fram orange, Purolator orange, but they use to be white and Fram tough guard and never had any issues I kept those vehicles up to 300000 miles with no problem, now I am older and do less driving I use synthetic oil and a good filter for 3 months or 3000 miles. there is no secret to keep a car or truck for a long time, it is maintenance, motor oil transmission oil, transfer case if you have one and differential oil change, and coolant
Seems like too much filter for 3,000 miles. If it is your baby though, I can see your reasoning. I change my oil every six months (about 3,000 miles) and I used WixXP and Mobil. Seems like I over did it too.
I do the same thing on a 94 celica. 3k miles, a good synthetic and a good filter. A quality oil and filter does a nice job cleaning out all the crap. Comes out dark
I went for years getting whatever synthetic oil and filter was on special at o Reilly, autozone or napa. Even using store brand. Change at 3 to 5k miles. Oil still looks clean. Engines run like new. 94 jeep, 2001 ford ranger, 2005 Lexus gx, 2007 ford focus and 2007 Honda Odyssey. Some I bought new. Still have all these cars and drive them. All over 100k, one has 220k. All quiet. All clean
I vote flow test. I want to see if there is much difference in pressure drops. Once you've got that station set up, you should also test used ones too. You could also do comparisons using different oil grades (both new & used). These have been some great comparisons and tests. Oil is the blood of your engine so this is important. Next up would be an efficient cooling system...maybe a review of thermostats? Glad I subscribed! Since I do my own work, I would never do an oil change w/o a new filter.
Boss, thanks for all you do. It would be nice if you sat down and interviewed an engineer on the designs and cost of the popular oils and oil filters. Just a suggestion for a future video.
It's up there with the top contributors on the top of the line filters just because there's so much filtration inside that thing and it's larger the ports are larger it's heavier it's more robust
It struck me that the Ford racing might be designed for higher oil pressure like a hydraulic filter. I dig the idea of the flow testing station. I work on gas turbines and we have DP pressure transmitters across oil filters so we can monitor the condition of the filters. I have wondered about the pressure drop across these filters for a long time and am looking forward to seeing your rig when you’ve got it built. Thanks again man!
I’ve been using the UG’s for about 4+ years now. I read about them on BITOG forum. Once upon a time they had a very bad rap 20+ years ago but reading the reviews made me think to try them again. The UG filters seem like they’re made well and the canister filter doesn’t collapse or twist that I’ve seen in 90k miles. I used the can filter UG on my other car. You can’t see the inside without cutting it open, but I had no bad experience. I like the grip easy /textured exterior too.
I am always partial to the wix xp or the k&n wrench off, both are really locally available so when I see a sale on either I pull the trigger and restock, none would ever see more than 5000 km if that
Yes, People bad mouth the orange can Fram for Convential oil changes. I have watched many , many RUclips videos on which is the best Bang for your buck oil filter. Fram Ultra Synthetic oil filter. Keeps coming out on top again and again. Use it on my 2005 Ford Taurus 3.0 SE 175,000 miles on the clock. Super Tech Full Synthetic oil 5 w 20 and the Fram Ultra Synthetic oil filter. Good oil and a great filter combo. I do my own. No smoking oil or oil usage to this day. I am going for 200,000 and beyond. My Taurus is a test mule for testing products. Daily driver for 15 years now. 3 sets of tires and brakes. New CV shaft driver side. All new Calibers and rotors and drums. Two tunes ups. Fluid changes. Yes, Ford Boss me. Regular maintenance pays off. Another great video. I am learning more and more about Ford's every day. Where have you been. It's great. Shawn.
Hey Rich. @Ford Boss Me Have you had a look at a Quaker State oil filter lately ? I believe Menard’s still sells them. They were always low end filters. Just curious if they have made any improvements over the years. My guess is No.
Thanks for the comparison of these filters. I did extensive research on oil filters a couple of years ago when I decided to get a new car and wanted to give it the best of care. I came to a similar conclusion as yours and decided that either the high-end filters in the Fram, Purolator and Wix would all be good choices for my car. I went with the Fram XG ultra synthetic because of its better filtration characteristics of particle sizes that would do the most damage to my engine.
@@njsongwriter I do, it's a Nissan 370z sport coupe 6M that's hitting 32k miles. I change the oil and filter every 3Kmiles and there has been no discernable oil usage on the dipstick at 3K miles. The engine runs very cleanly and tight with no problems on the car. I generally change the fluids at about 1/2 the recommended interval, cheap insurance.
I feel your pain bro. My 05 Mazda 3S uses a cartridge type filter. It seems like Motocraft is best for it which is what I usually run in it if I can get my hands on it. I usually change my oil every 4000 miles and never seen em come apart in my engine
They remove the mesh backing on the fram gold now ....everything else is unchanged.... i still buy them 😆 Canadian Walmart sells em for $12 ...as do Amazon
@@dustifilms interesting, I just don't want to waste money on an Amsoil filter especially because I don't go over 6000 miles? But then again, is it worth spending all that money on Amsoil?
@@jamesrodriguez3671 I've used amsoil in the past. It's great stuff. I have an older vehicle without vvt or anything so I refrain from using it now, but when I had a newer turbo vehicle absolutely
@@FordBossMe dude, I appreciate you doing all these oil filter videos that you've done lately, especially when you're spending your own money. I've learned a lot
Even the cheap fram does the job. I bought the wix xp last time. I watched alot of filter videos and there are many differences. Depends on what ya need and budget and vehicle application.
2008 Lincoln run E 85 for 4 years with amsoil and now castrol edge and mobil 1 filter got 200,000 lil less maybe on the used Lincoln. Yahoo can't wait for to put one of them there new fangled filters on. Thank you I had 3 C7 's from day one a factory reject lemon lawyers make the bucks! Think I should go to Bowling Green and get some haha good green Live in Daytona and have chosen the best friends and mechanics I could imagine. Drove Police Motorcycles so long Jesus said no. Happy as a clam and Thank you very much!
Nice video and keep it up. If only the Ford Racing was a full synthetic filter media instead of a cellulous\synesthetic blend. I don't mind spending extra for a better quality oil filter and oil given hard part replacement costs so much more. I like that you use low RPM "clear flood mode" to crank the vehicles after an oil change. I will have to start doing that as well as most wear really happens at engine startup. As a side note, WIX does make some damn fine filters, and they make all of NAPA's filters. Also, you didn't spend the money for nothing. You looked past the marketing hype to give us the real info which is much appreciated.
I imagine Ford thinks racers aren't going to go super long on thier oils time frame. Most are pretty OCD about it. So that quality syn blend media and all that area and tons of pleats is "Plenty " of protection. But that's just a layman's guess. Thanx; Jethro
I drove OTR for a small trucking company once and he would change the oil filters every 25,000 miles and oil and filters at 50,000. He would get over 1,000,000 miles out of all his Cummins engines.
There is acutely difference in filtration efficiency. Some of the filters are rated 30-45 microns at 99%. When you read Fram box it says partials larger than 20 microns, how much larger? 30-40 microns?
Fram Wins, as it stands alone in first place; a well deserved victory. Not only Fram is the Pioneer that invented the oil filter in 1934, but their filters are the best (No one makes it like the originator). Well done, friend; and thank you for selecting Fram as first choice.
Sometimes the new kids on the block take the existing formula and make it better then the original. As much as I like Fram, they’ve been selling POS el cheapo filters since the beginning and only recently upped their game to the ULTRA. So they just now finally built a filter worth a damn. I never gave Fram a second look when they just had the orange can of death and “tough guard” (slightly longer, more dragged out death) LOL.
Hold on I'm confused as far as I knew Purolator invented the oil filter. They literally sticker "The Inventor of the Oil Filter" on the boxes for all their products.
I think the difference is, Wix XP is guaranteed quality whereas Fram seems it’s quality could change overnight. Also where do you buy your filters? I buy my Wix XP’s on Amazon for about $6.50-$7.00. I know some people are against Amazon, rightfully so.
@@jamesplotkin4674 did I bash Amazon? I’m pretty sure I said I buy my oil filters from Amazon. I wish I could afford to buy my stuff from a local business. Places like Amazon and Walmart undercut the competition enough to force them out of business. That’s why I can understand why people don’t like them.
@fordbossme The one question I have is about a In engine filter, not a canister filter. My 2014 grand Cherokee has the filter go in the filter housing and I was using a NAPA filter instead of a OEM filter and they said because of that reason it blew the oil cooler because the tolerances are not the same. Any opinion on this?
I agree the designs are very similar now. Mann+Hummel owns several brands and Bosch used to have a joint venture with Purolator. There’s quite a bit of overlap in technology and the OEs and boutique brands are being built by one of the big 4 anyway. I think the biggest differences in the filters you’re looking at are in the materials (media and ADBV) and the differences can be subtle. What I don’t know is what impact a high performance oil filter has over a standard high quality filter in terms of keeping the oil clean over a 5,000-7,500 OCI. They all work about the same in real world applications.
Ok here is what everyone needs to know. Honeywell makes Fram, subaru, Honda, and BMW oil fliters, Mann & Hummle makes, Wix and napa, and Purolator, Valvoline and Pennzoil. Champion labs makes mobil-1, super tech, K&N, Royal Purple, and Amzoil. There you go that is it those companies are all that make oil filters. I personally use Wix because they actually use OEM specs for the bypass valve at 27 PSI which is required for my engine. Anything less would cause the filter to run in bypass the whole time because my oil pump is at 20 PSI. Fram has their bypass valve set at 5-10 psi. everyone else it is crapshoot on the setting.
I have discovered that the Fram XG Ultra Synthetic has a little higher pressure drop, as compared to some other filters. This makes sense, as it has superior filtration characteristics that are probably due to a more densely packed filter medium. I went with an Ultra filter that was about 50% taller than the filter that was called for my car, in the belief that the increased filtration area would reduce the pressure drop. I've just gone with the Fram Endurance that I believe has similar filtration characteristics to the Ultra, only a larger capacity for holding dirt.
The significant factor is the location of the bypass valve. Ford recommends the valve be located as it is in the Wix/NAPA/Motorcraft. The synthetic media elements are undoubtedly all fine and potentially sourced from the same (textile?) vendor. For me, I prefer the filter to use a coil spring rather than a leaf spring.
Are there any others that still do? I did see that the K&N Gold still does, but about all that I've seen have gone stamped steel metal Arch type ones...My older Motorcraft FL-400 had a coil spring, ran them on a Saturn, could get about an extra 1/2 quart into it with that older long style filter.! Thanx Jethro
Had a K&N fail on my motorcycle such that no oil was passing. It basically leaked out around the filter base under pressure. In researching the issue, it seems that this occurred several times to race teams on the track and you will find that many tracks now require OEM oil filters because of this defect. I also discovered that K&N changed their manufacturer for a short time and it was those filters that failed. They are probably OK now, but an Oil filter is not something I want to worry about. I pretty much discovered what you did. Every filter is based on one of about 3 major manufacturers. Variations in drain back, filter media, pressure relief, and some internal materials are really the difference. The more premium use better internals and the real budget stuff is crap. Ultimately, I choose Purolator One for stuff that runs only a limited amount in a given year and Purolator Boss for stuff that runs a lot. Amsoil is used for my fluids. All my engines get fresh oil in the Spring roughly a year in service. From the big tractor that maintains the gravel roadway and sees about 60 hours a year to my motorcycle that sees maybe 10,000 miles a year to my 2009 Volvo that is still running strong after 14 years and just shy of 200,000 miles.
The 2 companies you are referring to is Champ Labs and Mann & Hummel. Champ makes brands like Fram and AC Delco, Mann & Hummel makes Wix and Purolator and Napa.
That's good to know about the Fram. It's important to differentiate the synthetic version from the cheap orange one. Since Wal-Mart sell Fram, I'm gonna look to see if they sell the Synthetic. It will likely be less expensive, than from a parts store. The mark up on filters is ridiculous. When I was a fleet tech at the County shop, I could get filters for like $3 at NAPA. After I left the job & could no longer get the discount, $8 for the same filter.
Do you know how the "Engine Oil Life" is estimated on Ford vehicles? Hours of operation? or Miles driven? Or how? What is your recommendation on following thid. Thx.
It's the same thing with batteries for autos. 2 or 3 manufactures. Pick your decals. Keep up real vids. I subbed when you were starting out. Because I trust you!
I don"t know who makes Motorcraft batteries , but i do know i have had 3 latest 9 years But here's the thing when that happens you need a new alternator as well. no matter how many miles is on the car.it seems time, not miles kills the batteries and alternators . 15,000 on a 02 Cougar and 150,000 on my 02 Focus 9 years both needed batteries and alternators on that 9th year.
Johnson controls and Penn DEKA. There's your choices for probably 90% of batteries. I choose Penn Deka, personally because that's what Napa sells here.
gezzz, that new phone is working well good to know if you buy a premium there are all pretty darn good I got a few of those Napa Platinum filters on sale, a PH-8A crossover, for $8.00ea I think your advise of just changing the oil regularly, like every 3-5k miles, is the best idea I can't figure out why some guys will whine about $10 for an oil filter and them piss, literately, away $25.00 on beer in one night and risk a dui.
When do these filters go into bypass mode. 50% plugged ??. What's the flow rate per gpm ??? Saw video of a 25000 mile filter change. Filter fell apart like wet newspaper.
So are these filters all good for synthetic oils or do i have to do the upgrade like the wix xp. Or can i just ise the motorcraft filter for synthetic oil
Just tell me what to use for 5K oil changes on a 2020 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi. I've settled on Pennsoil Ultra synthetic but I'm confused on the filter. The truck has 3300 miles and awaits the first oil change. Should I use a Mopar OEM filter because the truck is under warranty or one of the many other you recommend?
When you boil it all down the important things are 1: What percentage of the oil goes through the filter? (efficiency) and 2: What size particles does the filter capture. ( 10 microns, VG, 40 microns poor) So change your oil frequently like the Boss suggests. Find out what SAE spec, or the maker's claims for the filter regarding efficiency and particle capture?
Ooh waiting for this one, I’ve use em all except the pennzoil and the Castro. Although yeah, made by the same folks but still interesting. Awesome the panther uses the same filter as a 4.0 SOHC
Can you get Mahle filters? Find them to be very good. I choose Wix if I cant get Mahle. On another note I had a delivery from Wurth yesterday and the box was fine but all the cans were dented and beaten, luckily they were for shop use not resale. Whats wrong with these delivery people. I was also gonna ask how you were getting on with the phone
I like the professional summary and comparison of some commonly available filters. I have used a Baldwin filter in my G-6, though I just threw a Motorcraft filter and Quaker State 10W30 synthetic in it for my current oil change. However, I have used a huge variety of filters over time and had no concerns, which is probably the case for many of us. Hell, the cheap Protec filters that Rock Auto carries would work with zero difficulty :)
the fram ultra isnt too bad especially for the price the regular fram on the other hand isnt that great have you taken a look at the K&N oil filters ive had a chance to look in them and they seem really well made a little more on the pricey side though thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
This is a terrible test !OPEN THEM UP ! YOU WILL SEE ! FRAM COME APART ! AND WILL KILL YOUR ENGINE
You have no idea what the hell you're talkin about you're talkin about a orange can Fram you're not talkin about a Ultra synthetic Fram it doesn't even use the same interior filter and that's why I always tell people if you don't know what you're talkin about don't say anything because you're not knowledgeable I actually loaded a video at the same time I loaded this one that's up on the channel this shows me breaking it apart and the frame actually has a metal mesh inside supporting the filter that won't allow it to come apart and it's a synthetic material and nanotechnology material like
Watch the other video where I rip it apart and then come back and apologize
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To many people believe all the b******* on the internet and don't actually do work for them self and actually research things and then they regurgitate false information put out because they don't know
@@FordBossMe this guy is just trying to get on your nerves at this point, you've already opened up fram filters and showed they're good filters and it's obvious they're great filters cause they keep selling
Rich, I just want you to KNOW how much this is APPRECIATED!!!! THANK YOU!!!
Tyvm
@@FordBossMe Nice observations a very good video, but I just can't bring myself to ever trusting Fram filters. But I have heard good things about FRAM TITANIUM what are your thoughts? Thanks. I really like the STP XL full synthetic oil filters. images.app.goo.gl/XBZxTAGpAUFhHJK96
They are great for the price and are very durable with atleast 98% @ 20 microns. Have you ever tried STP filters? Paired with a good motor oil such as Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, they make a robust combination. Also, Motor Craft oil filters are rebranded Purolators but with better Anti drain back valves. I always have had flow issues with purolators, but have had great results when using Ford's OEM version ofcourse. Ford's oil filters have provided me good Blackstone laboratory oil reports, but the need for a higher-quality quality filter media than Motor Craft justifies the use of after market oil filters such as STP XL SYNTHETIC for Peace of Mind. STP OIL FILTERS at least the synthetic versions are rebranded PREMIUM GUARD FILTERS that are high quality. Premium guard filters are what
SCOTTY KILMER recommends. The STP filters seem to have a better gasket than the Premium guards making them even better for the value. Thanks.
Yes, thank you!!
@@William-13 I recommend AC Delco for a GM! That simple!!
@@philllsxga.7737 I don't own any GM vehicles. I'm a die hard Ford man so in that regard I would be using motorcraft as an alternative to aftermarket, but going OEM is almost never wrong unless they are the glue backed cheap filters. I have heard and seen good results from AC delco. But I will stick with my Motorcraft/STP filters. I appreciate your insight. What are your experiences with purolator if any? My engine has never liked them. It had to do with the inlet holes etc.
Probably the cleanest motor I ever had used a fram ultra. The previous owner changed his filter every 5,000 miles and added a quart. Then at 15,000 he did a full oil change. The 3.4 GM now has 237,000 miles on it and I haven't had any problems. I did have a replace the plastic intake. I took off the valve covers and was really pleased with how clean it really still is. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Thanks for your videos.
You're right. They are mostly the same. Just need a silicone anti drain back valve and high filtration efficiency. Key is to change your oil often. 😄🤙
Hi Rich, instead of cutting these open, I think your flow rig will tell us a lot more about a filter's ability to flow and preserve line pressure.
i think so too that would be cool to see!
That's dedication right there. Thanks for doing all this for the channel!
I wouldnt waste your money cutting them if your able to use them.
Any plans for to do a Cat branded fllter?
Right? Pretty cool of him to spend the $ to do a us a solid, while contributing to society. Truth and facts from this channel. No wonder it's doing well. He definitely deserves it.
I work for Toyota in the express bay. I would love for you to review a Toyota cartridge style oil filter and what you think of the reusable housing design and replacement of the filter element
Thank you for the excellent videos. And thank you for sticking up for Fram! I use nothing but the Fram Ultra synthetic oil filters on my 1987 Mazda B2200 pickup and 2004 Yamaha FZ1 motorcycle, and 1997 Buick LeSabre. In the past I've used the "dreaded" orange Fram filters with no problems. I tried the expensive Mobil extended performance oil filter once on my Mazda because everyone was bragging about it. Well, everytime I started it up the engine would knock for a few seconds like it was dry starting which scared the blank out of me, so I changed the oil filter back to Fram and no more knocking noises. Needless to say I'm sticking with the Fram Ultra Synthetic filters! It seems strange to me because I've used Mobil 1 synthetic oil in all my vehicles for years and am happy with their oil, so I hope all is well with my vehicles. I still have a Mobil oil filter for my Yamaha and one for my Buick, I don't know whether to try those or maybe I should just chuck them? I noticed they have fewer holes in the base than the Fram filters. Thanks again for your honest opinions, I appreciate the info.
Picked up a cheapo Fram yesterday with some PAO 5W30. Thanks for posting this! Might have to return for the Ultra
Walmart sells a 25,000 mi Fram Synthetic Endurance filter with even better construction and specs for only $12.97. It even beats the Purolator boss. Better filtering and higher capacity and a heavy duty base plate. Very impressive. Check it out.
Thanks for the taking the time to review such a trivial subject. Because of your recent series of videos, I'll likely be buying the Fram Ultra/trying it out. I just bought a 2010 Tacoma with the 2.7L about two weeks ago and it has the orange Fram filter on that. Which is funny because I thought it was cheap but then I recently saw your videos about these filters. I'll likely cut open that filter come time to change the oil and inspect it. Thanks again!
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@Anthös - the time to change the oil is NOW. Get that POS filter off and change the unknown quality of oil to one of your choosing.
Best oil filter review channel. Many thanks. I'd sure be interested in you operating these filters with your oil flow station and comparing flow. All the best.
I wanted to get the station up and running but I've been so busy with work I still haven't even got it all put together
You convinced me on going with Valvoline oil, Thanks for the info on oil filters.
The base Fram orange can has gotten such a bad rap that I never considered even looking at any other Fram product. Really good series of oil filter videos.
For sure. Project Farm cut open a brand new orange Fram and it was already rusting inside and the pleats started to completely fall apart once they were out of the casing. The integrity of the pleats were similar to that of a paper towel. He cut open about 7 other filters of different qualities and none of them were rusted and their pleats were all durable enough for him to lay them all flat.
@@Lamtitude
But we're they really Fram filters or were they counterfeit Frams?
@@njsongwriter I’m sure it was a real Fram. The counterfeit would probably be a superior product. Lol
@@Lamtitude This comment made me laugh way more than it should have!
I’ve never had a single issue with Fram ultra’s. Use them on everything.
Nicely done.👊I don't see the need to cut the filters open.You have shown me enough...👍👍
The zoom on that phone is awesome! Super quick autofocus. Great investment my dude.
I’ve been using orange fram filter for 10 years but do oil changes every 4k miles. I always change the filter. Better to buy a cheaper filter and replace it every time then to buy an expensive filter and use it for 15-20k miles
I totally agree change interval is the key, this how I do it,
I think it’s better to buy a good filter (at least mid grade quality) and change it every time. It also depends on how long you plan on keeping the vehicle.
@@Lamtitude I do it at 3000 miles, I ran Fram orange, Purolator orange, but they use to be white and Fram tough guard and never had any issues
I kept those vehicles up to 300000 miles with no problem, now I am older and do less driving I use synthetic oil and a good filter for 3 months or 3000 miles. there is no secret to keep a car or truck for a long time, it is maintenance, motor oil transmission oil, transfer case if you have one and differential oil change, and coolant
I like the the Wix XP. I just bought a case of 6 for $48 on Amazon. They are for my 18 Mustang that I change the oil every 3000 miles.
Seems like too much filter for 3,000 miles. If it is your baby though, I can see your reasoning. I change my oil every six months (about 3,000 miles) and I used WixXP and Mobil. Seems like I over did it too.
I do the same thing on a 94 celica. 3k miles, a good synthetic and a good filter. A quality oil and filter does a nice job cleaning out all the crap. Comes out dark
I went for years getting whatever synthetic oil and filter was on special at o Reilly, autozone or napa. Even using store brand. Change at 3 to 5k miles. Oil still looks clean. Engines run like new. 94 jeep, 2001 ford ranger, 2005 Lexus gx, 2007 ford focus and 2007 Honda Odyssey. Some I bought new. Still have all these cars and drive them. All over 100k, one has 220k. All quiet. All clean
I vote flow test. I want to see if there is much difference in pressure drops. Once you've got that station set up, you should also test used ones too.
You could also do comparisons using different oil grades (both new & used).
These have been some great comparisons and tests. Oil is the blood of your engine so this is important. Next up would be an efficient cooling system...maybe a review of thermostats?
Glad I subscribed!
Since I do my own work, I would never do an oil change w/o a new filter.
Excellent video, all great
I know a lot more about oil filters now after watching your videos. Sir I Salute You.
Man you took filters to the extreme. Hell yeah!!!
Boss, thanks for all you do. It would be nice if you sat down and interviewed an engineer on the designs and cost of the popular oils and oil filters. Just a suggestion for a future video.
What about the Ford racing filter from your previous video, where would you put it in the lineup?
It's up there with the top contributors on the top of the line filters just because there's so much filtration inside that thing and it's larger the ports are larger it's heavier it's more robust
It struck me that the Ford racing might be designed for higher oil pressure like a hydraulic filter.
I dig the idea of the flow testing station. I work on gas turbines and we have DP pressure transmitters across oil filters so we can monitor the condition of the filters. I have wondered about the pressure drop across these filters for a long time and am looking forward to seeing your rig when you’ve got it built.
Thanks again man!
but if your're racing you most likely change it out after a weekend of sessions or each race.
I’ve been using the UG’s for about 4+ years now. I read about them on BITOG forum. Once upon a time they had a very bad rap 20+ years ago but reading the reviews made me think to try them again. The UG filters seem like they’re made well and the canister filter doesn’t collapse or twist that I’ve seen in 90k miles. I used the can filter UG on my other car. You can’t see the inside without cutting it open, but I had no bad experience. I like the grip easy /textured exterior too.
I am always partial to the wix xp or the k&n wrench off, both are really locally available so when I see a sale on either I pull the trigger and restock, none would ever see more than 5000 km if that
Can't wait to see the oil filter test. Love your videos Boss.
Yes, People bad mouth the orange can Fram for Convential oil changes. I have watched many , many RUclips videos on which is the best Bang for your buck oil filter. Fram Ultra Synthetic oil filter. Keeps coming out on top again and again. Use it on my 2005 Ford Taurus 3.0 SE 175,000 miles on the clock. Super Tech Full Synthetic oil 5 w 20 and the Fram Ultra Synthetic oil filter. Good oil and a great filter combo. I do my own. No smoking oil or oil usage to this day. I am going for 200,000 and beyond. My Taurus is a test mule for testing products. Daily driver for 15 years now. 3 sets of tires and brakes. New CV shaft driver side. All new Calibers and rotors and drums. Two tunes ups. Fluid changes. Yes, Ford Boss me. Regular maintenance pays off. Another great video. I am learning more and more about Ford's every day. Where have you been. It's great. Shawn.
Didn't know that when I got home tonight I'd be in oil filter class. Superb videos going on with the filters.
Hey Rich. @Ford Boss Me Have you had a look at a Quaker State oil filter lately ? I believe Menard’s still sells them. They were always low end filters. Just curious if they have made any improvements over the years. My guess is No.
Thanks for the comparison of these filters. I did extensive research on oil filters a couple of years ago when I decided to get a new car and wanted to give it the best of care. I came to a similar conclusion as yours and decided that either the high-end filters in the Fram, Purolator and Wix would all be good choices for my car. I went with the Fram XG ultra synthetic because of its better filtration characteristics of particle sizes that would do the most damage to my engine.
Do you still have that car (that was new a couple years ago)?
@@njsongwriter I do, it's a Nissan 370z sport coupe 6M that's hitting 32k miles. I change the oil and filter every 3Kmiles and there has been no discernable oil usage on the dipstick at 3K miles. The engine runs very cleanly and tight with no problems on the car. I generally change the fluids at about 1/2 the recommended interval, cheap insurance.
Love all of these encased filter reviews while I sit over here with my 3.6 Colorado with its wix drop in filter
Not much you can do with those cartidges lol Buy a decent one and go
I feel your pain bro. My 05 Mazda 3S uses a cartridge type filter. It seems like Motocraft is best for it which is what I usually run in it if I can get my hands on it. I usually change my oil every 4000 miles and never seen em come apart in my engine
Damn good information! Keep up the good work man!
They remove the mesh backing on the fram gold now ....everything else is unchanged.... i still buy them 😆 Canadian Walmart sells em for $12 ...as do Amazon
Now, would you use one of those higher end filters, i.e. WIX XP, The FRAM Ultra, etc with Amsoil lubricants or would you use an Amsoil Oil filter?
I've used the wix xp with redline, Castrol, and mobil ep. From what I understand amsoil is rebranded bosch
@@dustifilms interesting, I just don't want to waste money on an Amsoil filter especially because I don't go over 6000 miles? But then again, is it worth spending all that money on Amsoil?
@@jamesrodriguez3671 I've used amsoil in the past. It's great stuff. I have an older vehicle without vvt or anything so I refrain from using it now, but when I had a newer turbo vehicle absolutely
Any one of those high-end filters is going to be just fine with Amsoil oil
@@FordBossMe dude, I appreciate you doing all these oil filter videos that you've done lately, especially when you're spending your own money. I've learned a lot
Even the cheap fram does the job. I bought the wix xp last time. I watched alot of filter videos and there are many differences. Depends on what ya need and budget and vehicle application.
Man dude you got me intrigued with that Frame Ultra Synthetic. Cheaper yet made with higher quality materials.
I would love to see the difference between fram ultra and wix xp
Use in upcoming testing rig. Their is a lot of guys cutting filters and speculating.
Let see some data, thanks man
2008 Lincoln run E 85 for 4 years with amsoil and now castrol edge and mobil 1 filter got 200,000 lil less maybe on the used Lincoln. Yahoo can't wait for to put one of them there new fangled filters on. Thank you I had 3 C7 's from day one a factory reject lemon lawyers make the bucks! Think I should go to Bowling Green and get some haha good green Live in Daytona and have chosen the best friends and mechanics I could imagine. Drove Police Motorcycles so long Jesus said no. Happy as a clam and Thank you very much!
Did you use/cut open the boss filter? I use that one and penzoil synthetic 5-30. Zero problems
I'm still waiting on 7 filters to show up and that's one of them
NEW FRAM ENDURANCE OIL FILTERS are also really good. Rebadged Amsoil / Royal Purple oil filter for $13 at WALMART
So I have a question, while my Ranger is under factory warranty, do you have to use motorcraft filters???
Using a larger engine oil filter can affect the overall oil pressure let say in favor of a high millage engine or it has a more detrimental effect?
Nice video and keep it up. If only the Ford Racing was a full synthetic filter media instead of a cellulous\synesthetic blend. I don't mind spending extra for a better quality oil filter and oil given hard part replacement costs so much more. I like that you use low RPM "clear flood mode" to crank the vehicles after an oil change. I will have to start doing that as well as most wear really happens at engine startup. As a side note, WIX does make some damn fine filters, and they make all of NAPA's filters. Also, you didn't spend the money for nothing. You looked past the marketing hype to give us the real info which is much appreciated.
I imagine Ford thinks racers aren't going to go super long on thier oils time frame. Most are pretty OCD about it. So that quality syn blend media and all that area and tons of pleats is "Plenty " of protection. But that's just a layman's guess. Thanx; Jethro
Napa had the platinum filter on sale in June for $7.49... I figured i'd spoil the Buick for once.
New phone works great with the focusing
Nice job. Is the Wix xp shorter than the Fram xg. Why I'm asking. I use the Fram and I just have enough room to getting in and out.
I drove OTR for a small trucking company once and he would change the oil filters every 25,000 miles and oil and filters at 50,000. He would get over 1,000,000 miles out of all his Cummins engines.
There is acutely difference in filtration efficiency. Some of the filters are rated 30-45 microns at 99%.
When you read Fram box it says partials larger than 20 microns, how much larger? 30-40 microns?
Fram Wins, as it stands alone in first place; a well deserved victory. Not only Fram is the Pioneer that invented the oil filter in 1934, but their filters are the best (No one makes it like the originator). Well done, friend; and thank you for selecting Fram as first choice.
Sometimes the new kids on the block take the existing formula and make it better then the original. As much as I like Fram, they’ve been selling POS el cheapo filters since the beginning and only recently upped their game to the ULTRA. So they just now finally built a filter worth a damn. I never gave Fram a second look when they just had the orange can of death and “tough guard” (slightly longer, more dragged out death) LOL.
Hold on I'm confused as far as I knew Purolator invented the oil filter. They literally sticker "The Inventor of the Oil Filter" on the boxes for all their products.
@@theosexpertdaymon2774Purolator invented the first Oil Filter in 1923, Fram invented the modern cartridge filter in 1934.
@@DanielAbreu1984 Okay that clears it up. Kinda like how Benz made the first car but Ford was first to mass produce cars.
I like my Motorcraft FL-910S because it has the bypass valve at the top where it should be.
hey sir,i really appreciate you showing this video.👍
I think the difference is, Wix XP is guaranteed quality whereas Fram seems it’s quality could change overnight. Also where do you buy your filters? I buy my Wix XP’s on Amazon for about $6.50-$7.00. I know some people are against Amazon, rightfully so.
That's a great price for the xp. I pay about that much with my employee discount at a parts store
Oh, puhleeze stop bashing Amazon. If people want to order their product from there, or WalMart, so be it. I do and save some coin.
@@jamesplotkin4674 did I bash Amazon? I’m pretty sure I said I buy my oil filters from Amazon. I wish I could afford to buy my stuff from a local business. Places like Amazon and Walmart undercut the competition enough to force them out of business. That’s why I can understand why people don’t like them.
@@Lamtitude Yeah, bash is too much.
@fordbossme The one question I have is about a In engine filter, not a canister filter. My 2014 grand Cherokee has the filter go in the filter housing and I was using a NAPA filter instead of a OEM filter and they said because of that reason it blew the oil cooler because the tolerances are not the same. Any opinion on this?
I agree the designs are very similar now. Mann+Hummel owns several brands and Bosch used to have a joint venture with Purolator. There’s quite a bit of overlap in technology and the OEs and boutique brands are being built by one of the big 4 anyway. I think the biggest differences in the filters you’re looking at are in the materials (media and ADBV) and the differences can be subtle. What I don’t know is what impact a high performance oil filter has over a standard high quality filter in terms of keeping the oil clean over a 5,000-7,500 OCI. They all work about the same in real world applications.
Have you ever come across an oil filter bad enough NOT to last 3k?
Not that I would try it, but, just wondering.
yup, maybe cut open the castrol filter and wix std to see difference in material
Keep watching videos buddy those have all been done
Ok here is what everyone needs to know. Honeywell makes Fram, subaru, Honda, and BMW oil fliters, Mann & Hummle makes, Wix and napa, and Purolator, Valvoline and Pennzoil. Champion labs makes mobil-1, super tech, K&N, Royal Purple, and Amzoil. There you go that is it those companies are all that make oil filters. I personally use Wix because they actually use OEM specs for the bypass valve at 27 PSI which is required for my engine. Anything less would cause the filter to run in bypass the whole time because my oil pump is at 20 PSI. Fram has their bypass valve set at 5-10 psi. everyone else it is crapshoot on the setting.
Where would I find the OEM bypass valve specs for my 2015 Honda Pilot?
Also it would be cool to have filter media test. Pour dirty oil through a filter and see which one takes out the most particulates etc
I have discovered that the Fram XG Ultra Synthetic has a little higher pressure drop, as compared to some other filters. This makes sense, as it has superior filtration characteristics that are probably due to a more densely packed filter medium. I went with an Ultra filter that was about 50% taller than the filter that was called for my car, in the belief that the increased filtration area would reduce the pressure drop.
I've just gone with the Fram Endurance that I believe has similar filtration characteristics to the Ultra, only a larger capacity for holding dirt.
The significant factor is the location of the bypass valve. Ford recommends the valve be located as it is in the Wix/NAPA/Motorcraft. The synthetic media elements are undoubtedly all fine and potentially sourced from the same (textile?) vendor. For me, I prefer the filter to use a coil spring rather than a leaf spring.
Are there any others that still do? I did see that the K&N Gold still does, but about all that I've seen have gone stamped steel metal Arch type ones...My older Motorcraft FL-400 had a coil spring, ran them on a Saturn, could get about an extra 1/2 quart into it with that older long style filter.! Thanx Jethro
I've heard people call FRAM filters "orange can of death". Well, I've been using those "cans of death" for years and, so far, no problems at all.
Wix & Purolator are both owned (made?) by Mann+Hummel.
Had a K&N fail on my motorcycle such that no oil was passing. It basically leaked out around the filter base under pressure. In researching the issue, it seems that this occurred several times to race teams on the track and you will find that many tracks now require OEM oil filters because of this defect. I also discovered that K&N changed their manufacturer for a short time and it was those filters that failed. They are probably OK now, but an Oil filter is not something I want to worry about.
I pretty much discovered what you did. Every filter is based on one of about 3 major manufacturers. Variations in drain back, filter media, pressure relief, and some internal materials are really the difference. The more premium use better internals and the real budget stuff is crap.
Ultimately, I choose Purolator One for stuff that runs only a limited amount in a given year and Purolator Boss for stuff that runs a lot. Amsoil is used for my fluids. All my engines get fresh oil in the Spring roughly a year in service. From the big tractor that maintains the gravel roadway and sees about 60 hours a year to my motorcycle that sees maybe 10,000 miles a year to my 2009 Volvo that is still running strong after 14 years and just shy of 200,000 miles.
The 2 companies you are referring to is Champ Labs and Mann & Hummel. Champ makes brands like Fram and AC Delco, Mann & Hummel makes Wix and Purolator and Napa.
That's good to know about the Fram. It's important to differentiate the synthetic version from the cheap orange one. Since Wal-Mart sell Fram, I'm gonna look to see if they sell the Synthetic. It will likely be less expensive, than from a parts store.
The mark up on filters is ridiculous. When I was a fleet tech at the County shop, I could get filters for like $3 at NAPA. After I left the job & could no longer get the discount, $8 for the same filter.
Oil filters are like most modern cars, the same thing only the name and colors are different.
Well I guess I’m gonna start buying the good fram. It seems way better than the m1 and they cost about the same around here
I am a regular wix guy. Seeing that Fram Ultra makes me want to switch.
Thanks, Boss Man. We thought so!!!!😅
Do you know how the "Engine Oil Life" is estimated on Ford vehicles? Hours of operation? or Miles driven? Or how? What is your recommendation on following thid. Thx.
It's load cycles, engine hours, idle hours, miles all wrapped into a computation
No more than 5k regardless of what oil % says if jot by 3k if at all possible
It's the same thing with batteries for autos. 2 or 3 manufactures. Pick your decals. Keep up real vids. I subbed when you were starting out. Because I trust you!
Same here.
I don"t know who makes Motorcraft batteries , but i do know i have had 3 latest 9 years But here's the thing when that happens you need a new alternator as well. no matter how many miles is on the car.it seems time, not miles kills the batteries and alternators . 15,000 on a 02 Cougar and 150,000 on my 02 Focus 9 years both needed batteries and alternators on that 9th year.
Johnson controls and Penn DEKA. There's your choices for probably 90% of batteries. I choose Penn Deka, personally because that's what Napa sells here.
gezzz, that new phone is working well
good to know if you buy a premium there are all pretty darn good
I got a few of those Napa Platinum filters on sale, a PH-8A crossover, for $8.00ea
I think your advise of just changing the oil regularly, like every 3-5k miles, is the best idea
I can't figure out why some guys will whine about $10 for an oil filter and them piss, literately, away $25.00 on beer in one night and risk a dui.
It’s crazy to see they’re all really the same. I’ve been buying Fram ultra because that’s what Walmart sells 😎
When do these filters go into bypass mode. 50% plugged ??. What's the flow rate per gpm ??? Saw video of a 25000 mile filter change. Filter fell apart like wet newspaper.
No clue honestly
So are these filters all good for synthetic oils or do i have to do the upgrade like the wix xp. Or can i just ise the motorcraft filter for synthetic oil
The Motorcraft filter is fine for synthetic oil
Most filters are fine for synthetic oil unless that manufacture specifically states only use synthetic oil with this filter
the Castrol filter is Champion labs
Just tell me what to use for 5K oil changes on a 2020 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi. I've settled on Pennsoil Ultra synthetic but I'm confused on the filter. The truck has 3300 miles and awaits the first oil change. Should I use a Mopar OEM filter because the truck is under warranty or one of the many other you recommend?
Factory filter and Factory oil or factory filter and Pennzoil Platinum Ultra
Would you choose the Ford Motorcraft filter over the Fram Ultra Synthetic?
Yes
Notice how most of the filters look exactly like a Motorcraft filter with the same oval inlet holes.
That part yes where the bypass valve is no
Hi i Am from Portugal, and your right, here the Dealers Change the oil on 20000 km and even 30000 km.
O Chang every 5000 km
This is my new favorite channel bro learning on this stuff
Well welcome
What do you think of STP, ac delco or k&n filters?
Some of the AC Delco filters are good and the K&N filter seem to be pretty reputable the STP filter seem to be kind of cheap
How come you didnt include the BASIC FRAM filter in the batch of filters?
Because whatever filters come in come in and I just do videos on them
Just found this video, when will you have videos on the oil pump that you built
Ever notice how a motorcraft battery looks exactly like a Costco Kirkland battery????? Exactly the same
The Costco in my city are Interstate
When you boil it all down the important things are 1: What percentage of the oil goes through the filter? (efficiency) and 2: What size particles does the filter capture. ( 10 microns, VG, 40 microns poor) So change your oil frequently like the Boss suggests. Find out what SAE spec, or the maker's claims for the filter regarding efficiency and particle capture?
Ooh waiting for this one, I’ve use em all except the pennzoil and the Castro. Although yeah, made by the same folks but still interesting. Awesome the panther uses the same filter as a 4.0 SOHC
Yes sir
Going to use the fram filter when I change my friends Traverse at end of month with more MMO.
Again great 👍 video
Thank you for your time.
Army AL
Can you get Mahle filters? Find them to be very good. I choose Wix if I cant get Mahle.
On another note I had a delivery from Wurth yesterday and the box was fine but all the cans were dented and beaten, luckily they were for shop use not resale. Whats wrong with these delivery people.
I was also gonna ask how you were getting on with the phone
I know the NAPA Platinum is a good filter, but I’m bothered by its 35-micron rating, when the Fram Ultra uses a 20-micron rating.
The Fram Ultra synthetic is the one I like to run
I like the professional summary and comparison of some commonly available filters. I have used a Baldwin filter in my G-6, though I just threw a Motorcraft filter and Quaker State 10W30 synthetic in it for my current oil change. However, I have used a huge variety of filters over time and had no concerns, which is probably the case for many of us. Hell, the cheap Protec filters that Rock Auto carries would work with zero difficulty :)
This might be the first time "Fram" has ever come in first place of anything....
I found over a dozen Bosch Distance plus for $3 each. I'm good for the next 6 years.
@@lalajee143 They were Walmart closeouts.
The Wix XP’s price isn’t much more than the regular wix. Isn’t Napa relabeled Wixs?
thanks for showing how is the reality about filters ?? Very good video !!
the fram ultra isnt too bad especially for the price the regular fram on the other hand isnt that great have you taken a look at the K&N oil filters ive had a chance to look in them and they seem really well made a little more on the pricey side though thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
I have not but Walmart has the K&Ns and I plan on picking one up
Would have loved to have heard your thoughts on the Purolator Boss
Best filter I've used
@@FordBossMe Just saw your other video on the Boss. Awesome brother love these videos and the knowledge behind them. We need them 🤙