Based on their logo, it’s obvious that the Tigers like Old English. So, they should adopt it as the official language of the organization. This is the easiest way for that franchise to set themselves apart since they won’t be doing so on the field.
Something you didn't mention that probably should be is that the Astros also put major investments in their international pool and scouting, getting pitchers Framber Valdez, Luis Garcia, Christian Javier, and Jose Urquidy, literally their whole starting rotation, from amateur free agent signings. The Tigers' only real international signing worth mentioning is Gregory Soto.
Is soto a signing worth something? I don't really think so. Even with the losing baseball they've played i have zero confidence in him coming in to try and close it out.
I thought the same. I'd like to see someone catalogue the many missteps of La Russa's return. I don't feel like I've got a proper knowledge of how much of their underachieving is directly his fault.
Tigers were doomed when Mike Ilitch passed. Mike loved the Tigers (he was a minor leaguer for the team before founding Little Ceasers). His son Chris is a passive fool who has no interest in winning like his father did.
@@jamesamick9151 hate to admit it but I see no solution. When they fired Dombrowski I knew it was over. Avila is clueless, looks like Skubal is next tj candidate.
As a Tigers Fan I really hope they look into someone from the Dodgers or rays because last night pregame they had a long time beat writer for the Tigers on and he put it into perspective just how much Aj has fixed and changed the team for the better when Al had 6 years prior to fix this organization
@@VivaLaZach I could see him still wanting to be in baseball. I’m not sure who else is a good candidate for the Tigers. They definitely need to get in on the talent evaluation revolution though
Tatis makes a shit ton of errors but he's still a good SS, errors are too subjective to mean anything anymore when you have a plethora of other stays that say other wise
@@MrMansontaco nah Baez is terrible. His attitude sucks, he strikes out a lot, has zero plate discipline and has horrible defensive metrics. He’s overrated from his time with the cubs
The biggest problem with the Tigers isn’t the draft picks. They’re young pitchers are all very solid and Greene and Torkelson have all the promise in the world. It was Avilas trades. He traded away Verlander Martinez and Castellanos after the rebuild started and all we have to show for it is a couple AAAA players and an inconsistent third baseman. Not getting proper value for our trades is what ruined this. He traded Michael Fulmer this year, one of the best relievers on the market for a pitcher who wasn’t even ranked in the twins farm system
As a Tigers fan, I remember the endless calls to fire Dave Dombrowski when the Tigers could not get over the hump and win the World Series. I thought it was foolish then, and in retrospect it seems even worse than that now. While Dombrowski never won the title he constructed some truly great teams with a bunch of All Stars and Hall of Famers who at least won 4 division titles, 2 conference titles and had a consistent winning record. The current 2022 Tigers aren't remotely close to those teams. And now with Chris Illitich as the owner, I doubt he will ever greenlit the spending necessary to field a contender. This is a guy who was complaining during CBA negotiations that the teams shouldn't have to pay for the players dinners post game. So yeah, we are not winning the Series anytime soon.
Since Mike Illitch bought the team, the tigers looked good for a bit. Coming close to winning the World Series but falling short twice. Jim Leland left and then cam Brad Ausmus who I wouldn’t quite say made the team bad, but they definitely declined. Mike Illitch died leaving the team to his son Chris. Some of the tigers prospects got traded and after leaving Detroit, became all stars. I do think that Avila is a problem, but the ownership, and coaching is another thing.
Great video as always. I'd like to get your rundown on why the Giants (who won World Series' in 2010, 2012, and 2014) never seem to be a likely destitation for any high profile free agents while the Dodgers and the Padres spend money on players like money grows on trees. Giants fans (such as myself) get to see rookies being called up from the minors and get to see them get their first major league hit but these rookies won't help them win the West. Yea, the Giants traded for Kris Bryant last year but he didn't re-sign instead choosing to go to the Rockies. Your input would be appreciated.
The Giants had a great run with the three titles but otherwise they’ve rarely been in postseason contention overall. I think that’s the issue there. The Dodgers choke regularly but players feel that anything can happen once you get to the postseason and the Dodgers are always there. Even with the three titles, the Giants only have five postseason appearances in the last 18 years.
Every team can spend money, it's HOW you spend that money... Yeah the Dodgers might spend money but they wisely spend that money cause they have a well organized team. The Padres are basically copying the Dodgers and so are the Giants... and many other teams... Build your farm system with good scouts have good/great player development, be transparent with your players, and make the right moves when something is in need.
@@crazylegs1823 Not much to see in terms of WS titles in Dodgerland, considering all the money they spend! Took a shortened season to win a “WS title”, what a joke!
@@crazylegs1823 See, that’s where we’re going to disagree as I don’t believe the Giants are copying the Dodgers, not at all. The Padres? Yea, they are definitely copying the Dodgers. The Dodgers have the highest payroll in baseball, even more than the Yankees coming in at, $265M and the Padres have the 5th highest payroll at $220M. The Giants? $155M ranking them 13th out of 30 teams. The Giants haven’t done anything remotely close to signing a Juan Soto or Scherzer, or Verlander, or Ohtani. THAT is what I’m talking about. The lack of the Giants investing in players to make the team better and to win NOW rather than waiting for Joey Bart to come into his own or waiting for Marco Luciano to make his debut even though he’s currently in High A ball playing in Eugene. Did you know the Giants have not had a player hit over 30 homeruns in a single season since Barry Bonds did it in 2004??! 2004!! 18 years without a legitimate power threat in the lineup and they still managed to win 3 World Series Championships in 5 years. Which makes what they did so impressive.
I'm so grateful for jerry Dipoto, we aren't dodgers level good but we are actually drafting well and developing well under him and compared to what we used to be it is such an upgrade. I'm glad we aren't in the tigers position anymore
Yea and in his final start he pitched a perfect game , went to his room cryed his eyes out and then went to Kennedy International to fly to England with Jane the drama queen where he may have got married. ⚾⚾⚾⚾😂😂😂😂😂😂 To much writing for all that drama .
One of the biggest problems for Detroit now is that they've been mediocre for so long, true high level talent doesn't want to play in Detroit due to the omnipresent culture of losing.
@@DavidVandemark But when they were good they were only good for a few years. The last time they actually won the WS was in the early 80's. They've been mediocre to downright *awful* since then (cough, 2003 Tigers, cough). A few years of being good in the middle of decades of futility is by no means a winning culture.
@@mach6893 And sadly, many owners only care about the profits, not the product on the field. Yet, I don't think Detroit is a market strong enough, like say, the Red Sox, where they can field a mediocre team and guarantee sting fan attendance.
The instant i saw this i thought the reds. As a reds fan, it's become obvious that our 15-30 year perpetual rebuild failue, depending on how you look at it, has became so irrelevant in the world of baseball it's not even worth mentioning let alone a video lol.
@@houstonsportsfan1017 imagine your only world series win be one were you exposed for heavily cheating and no one will take your fanbase or success seriously ever. You are the antlanta falcons of baseball and they didn't even cheat
The best piece the Astros drafted by far was bang can, although its too bad the league suspended him in 2020 you can blame ken rosenthal and jimmy boy media for that.
The GM doesn't seem too bright. He first admitted that building through free agency doesn't work. Then he tanks and says building via farm system and trades is the way to go. So naturally, when he thinks it's time to contend... He goes on a spending spree for free agents. Makes no sense. 🤦
he was clearly threatened behind close doors that they expected to see improvements this season or else. Went on a splurge to try and save his ass, because us humans when threatened tend to go overboard on the reactionary behavior. Since the prospect business did not pan out for him and he was greatly under budget anyhow. Management needs to learn about that specific human behavior, in pretty much every business. You get scary/threatening, you could make the problem even worse.
@@Parlimant_Strifey I doubt that.. The Ilitch’s are very patient, smart sports owners and really just let the sports guy do their thing.. The Wing’s have been rebuilding since 2017 and Yzerman and the front office really doesn’t seem too concerned.. The Tigers probably figured that this year would naturally be better than last year and Eduardo Rodriguez and Baez were young enough that they’d help for now and beyond
When a rebuild perpetually rebuild every few years is why the Tigers been irrelevant for years. Better hope their rebuild won’t take more than a decade or be in that perpetual loop like they are currently trying to break out of.
@@shoukatsukai dynasties are about championships. The 90s Yankees, the 90s Chicago Bulls, the 80s Lakers. Not just being good. Do we call the late 80s Twins or the early 90s Blue Jays dynasties? No, because they didn't have the run of championships to qualify.
@@shanaeverowe9626 its gonna be up to you whether you're gonna consider the 90s Braves a dynasty. Because given the current trajectory, the Astros will end up like them due to their incessant scouting discoveries panning out 5 years later, but will that end in championships? Probably not, but getting close enough this often is something teams rarely do nowadays
The signing of Miguel Cabrera was both and curse and a blessing. He was great, and still is, but the Tigers couldn’t build around him in a sustainable manner. Even as a Yankees fan, it saddened me to see a respectable franchise crumble. The Tigers have officially been declawed.
They could have and did build around him in free agency but the win-now mentality of the old owner kept the farm pretty bare. He also had no problem signing big checks for big names but he passed away and the new ownership (his family) wanted to take a different approach hence why he got rid of everyone of value except Miggy (he sells jerseys)
@@MrMurder0321 his son Chris has already made mention of selling the franchise. As a fan it very much so feels like he's trying to get by with just enough so he can save money for himself before capitalizing on a sale. Yeah we sunk money into Javy and Erod but I feel like that was strictly a ticket sales move. I hope I'm wrong and AA being fired is the first sign to show the Ilitchs are hanging on
Here’s what I do if tigers new gm. Step 1 see if you can trade away javier baez. Attach matt manning if needed and get a top 5 org prospect and an everyday player. Step 2 sign a ss.correa bogaerts turner swanson. Step 3 sign a 3 starter and a 2 tyler anderson and chris bassit maybe .Step 4 trade Gregory soto for an mlb ready prospect.
They tried their best to sign Correa but he wouldn’t. Offered him a lot more than Baez and he’s not doing that great really and he isn’t anywhere as good of a shortstop as Baez.
As a lifelong Tigers fan, we have been through several of these major rebuilds; 1970s, 1990s through early 2000s and now this one. I am frustrated with the inability to have sustained success and to avoid the major dips. Dodgers and Cardinals have my respect.
im so happy AA is gone i was on the MLB facebook page psoting that i wished thet let him go before the trade DL and 5 mins later the news broke, AL never knew what he was doing and yes ILITCH JR is clueless but still no farm system no great propsects im glad hes gone
Concern over Baez's OBP and plate discipline is irrelevant because he does not do the fundamental thing a baseball hitter should do: namely, HIT THE DAM BALL! His swing and misses on cookies, even when you look at the "lowlights" of this video, let along dig into the advanced analytics, tell you all you need to know... he is and always will be a sub-standard offensive player. Wow the Tigers blew a whole lot of money and created a lot of roster inflexibility with a SIX YEAR Contract on him.
So glad he got fired. Everything he did was a disaster. I quit being a Tigers fan because of him, couldn’t take the ineptitude. Maybe once Baez is off the team I’ll support them again
For 60 years the Lions had the worst organization in the city of Detroit That title now however belongs to the Tigers after completing a fail rebuild while the Lions are doing a smart rebuild like the Pistons and Red Wings who also do this right
And who could forget the Astros greatest prospect success from their 2010s era farm system, the lowly garbage can. Which counter-intuitively still always seemed to win when beaten.
Last years Tigers looked to finally start clicking. things looked good going forward. Now, I think they were all playing over their heads and Illitch and Avila got their collective heads swollen by their perceived improvement. Cause look at them this year. Javier Baez came to the right place. His load of strikeouts fits right in with the rest of these strikeout artists. Yesterday vs Cleveland, Tigers struck out 14 times. Day before, also 14 times. A week ago vs the Twins, in the whole series, Tiger batters struck out close to 50 times. Two nights ago, Tigers down 3-2, bottom of the 8th inning. Bases loaded with a chance to tie it or even go ahead. Baez had struck out with a runner on, Tigers loaded them up with with one out, then their next two batters struck out to end the inning. Pathetic.
Probably not- especially considering the reason he isnt in houston. I think the dumb free agent signings and trades were to get tradeable pieces from castoffs and reentice fans. Obviously that hasnt worked, even in a weak al central- most of the names they got were either inconsistent or oft-injured. It could've, it works in simulations, it worked for other teams a few times. I think the biggest problem is that the talent they need isnt easy to acquire with what they had before, and not a lot of their pitching success has come from within. Theyve also put on a ton of payroll that they were seemingly trying to shed with the rebuild- which isnt a problem for the Ilitches, i presume, but it could be a problem if it doesnt pan out.
Baez has been good for the tigers he’s been one of if not the best defense SS in baseball and a good baserunner yeah his hitting isn’t good right now but he’s always been a streaky player and he’s getting hot now hitter over 2.70 in his last 30 games
I thought the Giants did this, after the Bonds Era of veteran players and trading draft picks they went the exact opposite direction(same GM 😂) and went on to build a team core of pitching and defense from the draft. Cain, Tim Lincecum, Mad Bum, Posey, Crawford, Belt, Pablo Sandoval,
The Giants are the perfect representation of why star players don’t carry teams. You can have the greatest player of all time, but you’re not going to win much. You need a full team, and that’s what led them to their dynasty.
Dodgers 2016 Draft Class put teams to shame. Will Smith - Starting Catcher who leads Most offensive categories from that position. Tony Gonsolin - All star pitcher Gavin Lux - Starting infielder and outfielder hitting close to .300 Dustin May who is about to return to the rotation this week
This is why I love the cardinals. They're smart and don't have to blow it up every few years to be good. I would have a hard time supporting a team that did that. The braves was my 2nd favorite team until they did the same thing years ago
You said several times that the Tigers "did not have a plan", they did have one. They just did not execute it well which does not necessarily mean they were not smart. It could mean that when you try to implement a tear down/rebuild you need to hit on several players for each year in a three/four year span. You can't just hit on one or two a year for 7 years because by the time the players from the 7th year are making the majors they are just replacing the guys from the first year. The Astros had a group of players for a 4 year span making it so they had all good and young players at the same time. The Tigers seemed to miss on development or selection (I do not know) but the plan was solid.
You can fire a bad GM. You can trade an underperforming player. You can sack the manager … but it's impossible to get rid of a disinterested, cheap or unqualified owner. This is the sad ballad of Detroit sports and extends to all of the town’s major sports franchise. Once a team gets handed down to the next generation of a family business, it’s over until the club is sold to someone with passion and the will to win on the field - not just in the box office.
Richard Justice also notes that the Astros attendance has never recovered back to the pre-tank levels. If you suck intentionally for 2, 3 or 4 years individuals in your fan base will find other things to obsess over, and not go back to the park once you are good (but only watch on television). MLB teams should not take for granted the passion of their fan base will not cool as their "genius" GMs coldly and logically tank, because you could be like the Tigers... the rebuild not work on the field and your demoralized fan base stays away permanently in droves. Relegation or reform of revenue sharing would stop this incentive of playing with fans emotions.
Tainted yes, but The Astros are still highly competitive and WS contenders years after the scandal and many of the players involved are now gone. Which proves his point that they drafted and acquired talent correctly
It can’t be proven that they didn’t. The 2018 Red Sox might be tainted too but the difference is that the Red Sox have won three other championships in this century and the Astros only have 2017.
Why you gotta give out accurate FACTS about my Detroit Tigers 😭😭😭😭😭. Although I will say that the retirement of Jim Leland as general manager is what doomed the 2014 team.
“Teams can’t just lose for years and expect to be good because of their high draft picks.” Yeah, see Pittsburgh Pirates 1993-2012. The Pirates had the same idea around 1997-2007. They thought they would just magically start winning almost by accident. They finally went and did a real rebuild in 2008-12 and in 2013 they won 94 games.
You don't even have to look at a team such as the Dodgers for a team that is a consistent winner for a decade yet has a top farm system. Cleveland is rated #2 by ESPN with their farm system and has had 1 losing season since 2013, and that was last year by exactly 2 games. Being a Cleveland fan, we always have pitchers coming up and doing well, and even our hitters that are coming up are doing better than in recent years, especially Steven Kwan. And Andres Gimenez, even if we didn't initially sign him, was the perfect cherry on top to make us forget losing Lindor. We are a team with a near past, present, and bright future. More than Detroit can say for sure. I don't see Detroit making the playoffs till 2026 at least myself.
Can I get some analysis on the San Francisco Giants "aggressive retool"? Ownership will never say rebuild, and their actions and words often contradict. The farm system seems slow to develop talent. I keep hearing about all these good prospects the Giants have coming but almost none get called up when players get injured. The few that do get called up seem to have a really difficult time adjusting to mlb pitching. How far away are the Giants from being respectable again?
While all the star Astros players are great players, and their rotation has typically been one of the best in the league, they were definitely helped for a few years by their sign stealing scandal. And the issue with Detroit is that Dombrowski destroyed their farm system in order to acquire who he thought were playoff players. That is what he did everywhere he went. He did it here in Boston and our farm system is finally starting to make it's way back up the ranks. While the Astros have their scandals, they do seem to understand the balance of needing a solid farm system to feed their top team to keep them playing well for an extended period of time.
I am an NHL fan mostly, but the same principle applies with a rebuild in that, tearing it down is so much easier than building it back up. A rebuild becomes perpetual without the proper scouting staff and player development system in place, and putting that together is much harder than it looks. Once a rebuild becomes perpetual, loses on the field and financial loses won't be the only issue. A losing culture will take hold and it is extremely hard to shake that. The Astros turnaround from the worst team in baseball in the early 2010's to a World Series win in 2017 (cheating aside) is pretty quick honestly.
I think Avila drafted OK: too much emphasis on pitchers for my tastes. His biggest problem, in my opinion, was not trading guys when their value was highest: Nick Castellanos, J.D. Martinez, Matt Boyd, Michael Fulmer, etc. In contrast, Dave Dombrowski excelled at trading guys before their sheen had worn off.
Houston and LA being the comps for rebuilding teams is unfair IMO. I mean look at the Mariners. After 2018 they tore it all down, sucked in 2019 and 2020, stockpiled young pitching talent, capitalized on international signings (and still do) and then used that farm system to acquire the best pitcher on the trade market. Seattle is a medium-sized market so it's not like you have to be a big market size to consistently win.
We'll wait until the Mariners punch their ticket to the post-season to validate them, they haven't sniffed October in two decades. It's a bit early to judge
As an orioles fan I wanna explain the last 20 years of our gm's. Dan Duquette is al Avila. Mike Elias I'd Jeff luhnow abd the guys before them were just straight bozos[macphail wasnt bad at trades or drafts but sucked in free agency and development]. Hence we finally got the rebuild right after several attempts since the 90's with elias.
@@josephcooter5763 he isn’t complaining. He is comparing how a crumby GM can set back a rebuild. The fact you say we have a shot at the division proves to me how little you actually know about baseball. Ever hear of the Yankees? Yeah they have +10 game lead over everyone in the best division in baseball.
@@danielnelson1901 I am saying that as a Yankees fan. The way we've been playing the last couple of months I wouldn't bet on us being their at the end. They are litterally playing the rest of the division back into the race. It is my biggest worry that we break the record for largest regular season collapse. That is not out of the rhelm of possibilities given how Brian Cashman has wrecked this team with some dumb moves at the trade deadline. The reason I give you a chance at the divison is due to the fact that you've cut ten games off your deficit in a month. At that pace, you could well catch us. And past the Rays and the Jays if they continue to tred water. Don't go lecturing me about knowing anything about baseball. I've been following this game for forty-five years. I've seen teams like this collapse. Heck, I still remember 1978 as if it were yesterday. So I know anything can happen.
Tigers need to fire their Hitting Coach. Firing Al Avila was a start. But Al Avila wasn't the reason why so many players saw their averages drop by over 30 points.
We Detroit fans have been handed horrendous sports so far this decade. Why Chris Ilitch gave Al Avila 7 years to produce one of the worst teams in the league is very difficult to comprehend.
The trade to move paredes to tampa for meadows was the cherry on top for me as far as bad moves after bad moves by Avila. Got rid of a very good prospect at SS to blow millions on Baez smh… They could’ve and should’ve been so much better this season
Hindsight is 20/20. As a tigers fan, I’ll back Avilas decision here. Paredes wasn’t seen as a good prospect last year, and watching him it didn’t look like he really had any tools. Where as meadows has been one of the better hitters in the American League for a few years now. No one could’ve predicted that paredes would’ve broke out this year, and meadows immune system would go to shit and he’d lose all his power.
all GMs have wet dreams about leading a re-build! Al got his wish, - Be carefull what you wish for Al. The problem is you need 2 things to make your re-build be sucessfull 1. talent evaluation - tigers are terrible - and have been for 30 years 2. Minor league Coaching - you have to teach kids - not warehouse them - Al thought he would wave a magic wand - instead he demonstrated for all to see how bad the organization is in scouting and player development
I think if you really believe in your prospects use them at a young age so you’re not in a position to trade them. If you hoard them like the Yankees they will always want your top 3 prospects for a rental and then eventually those prospects don’t pan out.
@@willm3027 I meant with bringing up Harris II and Vaughn from AA. Oh, Spencer Strider as well. We didn't let them simmer in the farm or pass them around in trades. Braves brought them up to see what they have, if they perform they'll get paid.
That one ring is from a fake season too. The Dodgers should be held to a higher standard than that. They are capable of winning one in a full season so they need to get it done...even though I find it entertaining when they choke.
When will the Tigers make the postseason again?
2025
when baseball 2 comes out
@@recusantvessel LOL
2025 or 2027
Based on their logo, it’s obvious that the Tigers like Old English. So, they should adopt it as the official language of the organization. This is the easiest way for that franchise to set themselves apart since they won’t be doing so on the field.
Something you didn't mention that probably should be is that the Astros also put major investments in their international pool and scouting, getting pitchers Framber Valdez, Luis Garcia, Christian Javier, and Jose Urquidy, literally their whole starting rotation, from amateur free agent signings.
The Tigers' only real international signing worth mentioning is Gregory Soto.
Great point! I never fully went into that but it goes along the lines of what I said about how smart the Astros are in their development
Is soto a signing worth something? I don't really think so. Even with the losing baseball they've played i have zero confidence in him coming in to try and close it out.
What about "Hittin" Harold Castro?
They also copped a new playing method called cheating
@@jeffreypark1190 not new, they borrowed
In my opinion as a white sox fan, the most effective way to ruin a rebuild is to hire Tony la russa
Couldn't have said it better myself
I disagree. Keep having La Russa as the leader and you'll go in to a rebuild
@@everybodysMaster1 all he'll do is crash into it when he's drunk driving again
@@jc24445 🤣🤣🤣
I thought the same. I'd like to see someone catalogue the many missteps of La Russa's return. I don't feel like I've got a proper knowledge of how much of their underachieving is directly his fault.
Tigers gonna have to rebuild their rebuild now💀
Bro I don’t wanna pull a marlins
At least they aren’t like my Rockies who don’t accept they need to rebuild ever! 😂
Tigers fan here they have some pieces more a retool. Mize, Turnbull, Manning, Skubal, Riley Greene, Torkelson & a top 5 bullpen
@@Progrum.Builder I'm still annoyed y'all didn't trade Daniel Bard lol
Truth.
Tigers were doomed when Mike Ilitch passed. Mike loved the Tigers (he was a minor leaguer for the team before founding Little Ceasers). His son Chris is a passive fool who has no interest in winning like his father did.
I watched his press conference, I don't have much confidence in the next GM since he's heading the search. :/
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He'll probably just promote whoever the assistant was under avila. Then the tigers will be looking at another 10 years of losing baseball.
@@jamesamick9151 hate to admit it but I see no solution. When they fired Dombrowski I knew it was over. Avila is clueless, looks like Skubal is next tj candidate.
Agree. Good ownership is a passion, not a handoff from your dad.
Classic example of when a FA splurge is poorly timed during a rebuild.
As a Tigers Fan I really hope they look into someone from the Dodgers or rays because last night pregame they had a long time beat writer for the Tigers on and he put it into perspective just how much Aj has fixed and changed the team for the better when Al had 6 years prior to fix this organization
Nobody would be fully happy, but they should hire Jeff Luhnow.
@@GarrettSaxon he owns a soccer team now
@@VivaLaZach I could see him still wanting to be in baseball. I’m not sure who else is a good candidate for the Tigers. They definitely need to get in on the talent evaluation revolution though
@@GarrettSaxon I don’t think any team will give him a chance. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s back balled from baseball
@@VivaLaZach that wouldn’t be from the cheating scandal since the players that devised and developed it are still very much active and playing daily.
Baez has 19 errors this season. So he hasn’t played a good shortstop.
I was so happy to see him leave the Mets
Tatis makes a shit ton of errors but he's still a good SS, errors are too subjective to mean anything anymore when you have a plethora of other stays that say other wise
Ok he has the worse fielding percentage among American League SS. Also is a -5 in runs saved. Do u need more to prove he isn’t great?
@@MrMansontaco nah Baez is terrible. His attitude sucks, he strikes out a lot, has zero plate discipline and has horrible defensive metrics. He’s overrated from his time with the cubs
There’s a reason the Cubs traded him and the Mets rented his services…
They've got a few pieces, I think Riley Greene is gonna be really good, but I'd take the Pirates prospects over theirs easily
They have a good AAA roster but nothing much beyond that. Hopefully Tork warms up to the majors and Baez breaks his adjustment cold snap soon.
who are the Pirates prospects? jw
He's gonna be gone if he gets too good
The biggest problem with the Tigers isn’t the draft picks. They’re young pitchers are all very solid and Greene and Torkelson have all the promise in the world. It was Avilas trades. He traded away Verlander Martinez and Castellanos after the rebuild started and all we have to show for it is a couple AAAA players and an inconsistent third baseman. Not getting proper value for our trades is what ruined this. He traded Michael Fulmer this year, one of the best relievers on the market for a pitcher who wasn’t even ranked in the twins farm system
yes man?
As a Tigers fan, I remember the endless calls to fire Dave Dombrowski when the Tigers could not get over the hump and win the World Series. I thought it was foolish then, and in retrospect it seems even worse than that now. While Dombrowski never won the title he constructed some truly great teams with a bunch of All Stars and Hall of Famers who at least won 4 division titles, 2 conference titles and had a consistent winning record. The current 2022 Tigers aren't remotely close to those teams. And now with Chris Illitich as the owner, I doubt he will ever greenlit the spending necessary to field a contender. This is a guy who was complaining during CBA negotiations that the teams shouldn't have to pay for the players dinners post game. So yeah, we are not winning the Series anytime soon.
Since Mike Illitch bought the team, the tigers looked good for a bit. Coming close to winning the World Series but falling short twice. Jim Leland left and then cam Brad Ausmus who I wouldn’t quite say made the team bad, but they definitely declined. Mike Illitch died leaving the team to his son Chris. Some of the tigers prospects got traded and after leaving Detroit, became all stars. I do think that Avila is a problem, but the ownership, and coaching is another thing.
Great video as always. I'd like to get your rundown on why the Giants (who won World Series' in 2010, 2012, and 2014) never seem to be a likely destitation for any high profile free agents while the Dodgers and the Padres spend money on players like money grows on trees. Giants fans (such as myself) get to see rookies being called up from the minors and get to see them get their first major league hit but these rookies won't help them win the West. Yea, the Giants traded for Kris Bryant last year but he didn't re-sign instead choosing to go to the Rockies. Your input would be appreciated.
The Giants had a great run with the three titles but otherwise they’ve rarely been in postseason contention overall. I think that’s the issue there. The Dodgers choke regularly but players feel that anything can happen once you get to the postseason and the Dodgers are always there. Even with the three titles, the Giants only have five postseason appearances in the last 18 years.
As for the Padres, it's probably just the weather and the beaches that attract free agents.
Every team can spend money, it's HOW you spend that money... Yeah the Dodgers might spend money but they wisely spend that money cause they have a well organized team. The Padres are basically copying the Dodgers and so are the Giants... and many other teams... Build your farm system with good scouts have good/great player development, be transparent with your players, and make the right moves when something is in need.
@@crazylegs1823 Not much to see in terms of WS titles in Dodgerland, considering all the money they spend! Took a shortened season to win a “WS title”, what a joke!
@@crazylegs1823 See, that’s where we’re going to disagree as I don’t believe the Giants are copying the Dodgers, not at all. The Padres? Yea, they are definitely copying the Dodgers. The Dodgers have the highest payroll in baseball, even more than the Yankees coming in at, $265M and the Padres have the 5th highest payroll at $220M. The Giants? $155M ranking them 13th out of 30 teams. The Giants haven’t done anything remotely close to signing a Juan Soto or Scherzer, or Verlander, or Ohtani. THAT is what I’m talking about. The lack of the Giants investing in players to make the team better and to win NOW rather than waiting for Joey Bart to come into his own or waiting for Marco Luciano to make his debut even though he’s currently in High A ball playing in Eugene. Did you know the Giants have not had a player hit over 30 homeruns in a single season since Barry Bonds did it in 2004??! 2004!! 18 years without a legitimate power threat in the lineup and they still managed to win 3 World Series Championships in 5 years. Which makes what they did so impressive.
New to the channel and I love it…. Thanks
Thank you!
I'm so grateful for jerry Dipoto, we aren't dodgers level good but we are actually drafting well and developing well under him and compared to what we used to be it is such an upgrade. I'm glad we aren't in the tigers position anymore
You can’t forget that the Tigers also had Billy Chapel.
Yea and in his final start he pitched a perfect game , went to his room cryed his eyes out and then went to Kennedy International to fly to England with Jane the drama queen where he may have got married. ⚾⚾⚾⚾😂😂😂😂😂😂 To much writing for all that drama .
@@johntaormina1084 Yep, gotta love For Love of the Game, am I right?
One of the biggest problems for Detroit now is that they've been mediocre for so long, true high level talent doesn't want to play in Detroit due to the omnipresent culture of losing.
I mean, it’s been less than a decade since they were last good, but I see your point
@@DavidVandemark But when they were good they were only good for a few years. The last time they actually won the WS was in the early 80's. They've been mediocre to downright *awful* since then (cough, 2003 Tigers, cough). A few years of being good in the middle of decades of futility is by no means a winning culture.
It's all because of disinterested owners. Chris Ilitch treats the Tigers like a cash cow.
@@mach6893 And sadly, many owners only care about the profits, not the product on the field. Yet, I don't think Detroit is a market strong enough, like say, the Red Sox, where they can field a mediocre team and guarantee sting fan attendance.
The instant i saw this i thought the reds. As a reds fan, it's become obvious that our 15-30 year perpetual rebuild failue, depending on how you look at it, has became so irrelevant in the world of baseball it's not even worth mentioning let alone a video lol.
And you gotta give it to the astros they figured out the trashcan system, if only the tigers were as diabolical…
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They did better on the Road in 2017 so L
@@houstonsportsfan1017 Ok spam burner account.
@@idkbro8470 Telling the truth
@@houstonsportsfan1017 imagine your only world series win be one were you exposed for heavily cheating and no one will take your fanbase or success seriously ever. You are the antlanta falcons of baseball and they didn't even cheat
The best piece the Astros drafted by far was bang can, although its too bad the league suspended him in 2020 you can blame ken rosenthal and jimmy boy media for that.
Your not funny+ there doing way better in 2022
Keep doing these type of rebuild videos, i love it
Can you cover the mariners Failed rebuilds prior to Dipoto? The Jack Z era (also known as the era of 1st base/DH types)
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The GM doesn't seem too bright. He first admitted that building through free agency doesn't work. Then he tanks and says building via farm system and trades is the way to go. So naturally, when he thinks it's time to contend... He goes on a spending spree for free agents. Makes no sense. 🤦
he was clearly threatened behind close doors that they expected to see improvements this season or else. Went on a splurge to try and save his ass, because us humans when threatened tend to go overboard on the reactionary behavior. Since the prospect business did not pan out for him and he was greatly under budget anyhow. Management needs to learn about that specific human behavior, in pretty much every business. You get scary/threatening, you could make the problem even worse.
@@Parlimant_Strifey I doubt that.. The Ilitch’s are very patient, smart sports owners and really just let the sports guy do their thing.. The Wing’s have been rebuilding since 2017 and Yzerman and the front office really doesn’t seem too concerned.. The Tigers probably figured that this year would naturally be better than last year and Eduardo Rodriguez and Baez were young enough that they’d help for now and beyond
When a rebuild perpetually rebuild every few years is why the Tigers been irrelevant for years. Better hope their rebuild won’t take more than a decade or be in that perpetual loop like they are currently trying to break out of.
Did he just say dynasty and Astro's in the same sentence? One world series and 3 last place seasons in the same decade. Nope, not a dynasty.
3 straight LCS appearances in 2017-2019 within the decade is something at least 25 other teams cant say they did. Its like the 90s Braves
@@shoukatsukai dynasties are about championships. The 90s Yankees, the 90s Chicago Bulls, the 80s Lakers. Not just being good. Do we call the late 80s Twins or the early 90s Blue Jays dynasties? No, because they didn't have the run of championships to qualify.
@@shanaeverowe9626 its gonna be up to you whether you're gonna consider the 90s Braves a dynasty. Because given the current trajectory, the Astros will end up like them due to their incessant scouting discoveries panning out 5 years later, but will that end in championships? Probably not, but getting close enough this often is something teams rarely do nowadays
The signing of Miguel Cabrera was both and curse and a blessing. He was great, and still is, but the Tigers couldn’t build around him in a sustainable manner. Even as a Yankees fan, it saddened me to see a respectable franchise crumble. The Tigers have officially been declawed.
They could have and did build around him in free agency but the win-now mentality of the old owner kept the farm pretty bare. He also had no problem signing big checks for big names but he passed away and the new ownership (his family) wanted to take a different approach hence why he got rid of everyone of value except Miggy (he sells jerseys)
@@MrMurder0321 and tickets for milestones.
@@MrMurder0321 his son Chris has already made mention of selling the franchise. As a fan it very much so feels like he's trying to get by with just enough so he can save money for himself before capitalizing on a sale. Yeah we sunk money into Javy and Erod but I feel like that was strictly a ticket sales move. I hope I'm wrong and AA being fired is the first sign to show the Ilitchs are hanging on
Let's go rangers
Here’s what I do if tigers new gm. Step 1 see if you can trade away javier baez. Attach matt manning if needed and get a top 5 org prospect and an everyday player. Step 2 sign a ss.correa bogaerts turner swanson. Step 3 sign a 3 starter and a 2 tyler anderson and chris bassit maybe .Step 4 trade Gregory soto for an mlb ready prospect.
I would trade everyone. Like Zumaya said" blow it up "
Soto is a bum
@@lloydclaussen3925 he made asg and 3.18 era
@@ariswerdlow1411 you must not follow Tigers. All star by default. Game is as big of a joke as the pro bowl.
They tried their best to sign Correa but he wouldn’t. Offered him a lot more than Baez and he’s not doing that great really and he isn’t anywhere as good of a shortstop as Baez.
As a lifelong Tigers fan, we have been through several of these major rebuilds; 1970s, 1990s through early 2000s and now this one. I am frustrated with the inability to have sustained success and to avoid the major dips. Dodgers and Cardinals have my respect.
Every guy Avila picked in trades were ass. Not only that, but he traded away Parades and Suarez.
As a Tigers fan Thank You
You really missed the part where both the Astros and the Sox hired a trash-can.
im so happy AA is gone i was on the MLB facebook page psoting that i wished thet let him go before the trade DL and 5 mins later the news broke, AL never knew what he was doing and yes ILITCH JR is clueless but still no farm system no great propsects im glad hes gone
There are some guys in A ball that could be good if developed properly
Concern over Baez's OBP and plate discipline is irrelevant because he does not do the fundamental thing a baseball hitter should do: namely, HIT THE DAM BALL! His swing and misses on cookies, even when you look at the "lowlights" of this video, let along dig into the advanced analytics, tell you all you need to know... he is and always will be a sub-standard offensive player. Wow the Tigers blew a whole lot of money and created a lot of roster inflexibility with a SIX YEAR Contract on him.
Atleast he is a good shortstop. Nothing gets by that man
So glad he got fired. Everything he did was a disaster. I quit being a Tigers fan because of him, couldn’t take the ineptitude. Maybe once Baez is off the team I’ll support them again
For 60 years the Lions had the worst organization in the city of Detroit
That title now however belongs to the Tigers after completing a fail rebuild while the Lions are doing a smart rebuild like the Pistons and Red Wings who also do this right
I was on your stream last night!
Love how this can double as an Indians/Guardians highlight tape as well...
They shouldn't be called prospects, they should be called suspects...in baseball, scouting/player development is as much art as it is science...
Prospect is more optimistic.
Seattle mariners finally have a good farm system. Wish you could talk about that
And who could forget the Astros greatest prospect success from their 2010s era farm system, the lowly garbage can. Which counter-intuitively still always seemed to win when beaten.
Last years Tigers looked to finally start clicking. things looked good going forward. Now, I think they were all playing over their heads and Illitch and Avila got their collective heads swollen by their perceived improvement. Cause look at them this year. Javier Baez came to the right place. His load of strikeouts fits right in with the rest of these strikeout artists. Yesterday vs Cleveland, Tigers struck out 14 times. Day before, also 14 times. A week ago vs the Twins, in the whole series, Tiger batters struck out close to 50 times. Two nights ago, Tigers down 3-2, bottom of the 8th inning. Bases loaded with a chance to tie it or even go ahead. Baez had struck out with a runner on, Tigers loaded them up with with one out, then their next two batters struck out to end the inning. Pathetic.
I think they also believed AJ Hinch would be able to immediately replicate the success he had in Houston.
Probably not- especially considering the reason he isnt in houston. I think the dumb free agent signings and trades were to get tradeable pieces from castoffs and reentice fans. Obviously that hasnt worked, even in a weak al central- most of the names they got were either inconsistent or oft-injured. It could've, it works in simulations, it worked for other teams a few times. I think the biggest problem is that the talent they need isnt easy to acquire with what they had before, and not a lot of their pitching success has come from within. Theyve also put on a ton of payroll that they were seemingly trying to shed with the rebuild- which isnt a problem for the Ilitches, i presume, but it could be a problem if it doesnt pan out.
Baez has been good for the tigers he’s been one of if not the best defense SS in baseball and a good baserunner yeah his hitting isn’t good right now but he’s always been a streaky player and he’s getting hot now hitter over 2.70 in his last 30 games
lets go italk uploaded
Notice how when the Tigers started being bad Little Caesar’s started improving their marketing. Thanks Chris. We traded baseball for pizza.
Not to mention all the LC advertising in the stadium.
Yessss! Thanks italk!
I thought the Giants did this, after the Bonds Era of veteran players and trading draft picks they went the exact opposite direction(same GM 😂) and went on to build a team core of pitching and defense from the draft. Cain, Tim Lincecum, Mad Bum, Posey, Crawford, Belt, Pablo Sandoval,
The Giants are the perfect representation of why star players don’t carry teams. You can have the greatest player of all time, but you’re not going to win much. You need a full team, and that’s what led them to their dynasty.
Dodgers 2016 Draft Class put teams to shame.
Will Smith - Starting Catcher who leads Most offensive categories from that position.
Tony Gonsolin - All star pitcher
Gavin Lux - Starting infielder and outfielder hitting close to .300
Dustin May who is about to return to the rotation this week
This is why I love the cardinals. They're smart and don't have to blow it up every few years to be good. I would have a hard time supporting a team that did that. The braves was my 2nd favorite team until they did the same thing years ago
How did it work out for those braves btw?
@@jackpajula1833 Hollar back at me when the braves win 11 of them.
@@dingaling14 😂😂😂 expected a better response than that, cardinals haven’t really done anything since 2013 so I guess keep hanging onto the past
Ever since Mr Illich died its been a disaster for us Tiger fans... His son sucks at running a team.
You said several times that the Tigers "did not have a plan", they did have one. They just did not execute it well which does not necessarily mean they were not smart. It could mean that when you try to implement a tear down/rebuild you need to hit on several players for each year in a three/four year span. You can't just hit on one or two a year for 7 years because by the time the players from the 7th year are making the majors they are just replacing the guys from the first year.
The Astros had a group of players for a 4 year span making it so they had all good and young players at the same time. The Tigers seemed to miss on development or selection (I do not know) but the plan was solid.
Do one about the Royals. They are similar to the Tigers
Imagine how bad the whole AL Central would be if they didn't get to statpad wins against each other for half the schedule
That will change next year. They’re going to a more balanced schedule.
You can fire a bad GM. You can trade an underperforming player. You can sack the manager … but it's impossible to get rid of a disinterested, cheap or unqualified owner.
This is the sad ballad of Detroit sports and extends to all of the town’s major sports franchise.
Once a team gets handed down to the next generation of a family business, it’s over until the club is sold to someone with passion and the will to win on the field - not just in the box office.
Saying the Dodgers, that paid Pollock and Pujols $50M last year, know what they’re doing is the coldest take of all time
Pujols was on a minimum deal after being cut by the Angels and earned not even 500k as a Dodger.
As a huge Tigers fan I don’t know whether to be mad, sad, or disappointed. 🤦🏼♂️
I see some people in the comments that the Astros cheated, how do you explain the 2022 world series win with the core from that same rebuild.
Richard Justice also notes that the Astros attendance has never recovered back to the pre-tank levels. If you suck intentionally for 2, 3 or 4 years individuals in your fan base will find other things to obsess over, and not go back to the park once you are good (but only watch on television). MLB teams should not take for granted the passion of their fan base will not cool as their "genius" GMs coldly and logically tank, because you could be like the Tigers... the rebuild not work on the field and your demoralized fan base stays away permanently in droves. Relegation or reform of revenue sharing would stop this incentive of playing with fans emotions.
Many teams have also seen successful rebuilds improve the fanbase
It has worked for some teams...Royals, Cubs, Astros (tainted), Braves...
Tainted yes, but The Astros are still highly competitive and WS contenders years after the scandal and many of the players involved are now gone. Which proves his point that they drafted and acquired talent correctly
@@BadMoonRising92 Finally someone gets it about summary of a rebuild
I never said it didn’t work. I just said the title was tainted.
@@87Khein The astros, like the red sox, didn’t cheat in the postseason. Does that make the red sox 2018 chip tainted as well?
It can’t be proven that they didn’t. The 2018 Red Sox might be tainted too but the difference is that the Red Sox have won three other championships in this century and the Astros only have 2017.
I love the star wars and Kung Fu panda music in the background
Why you gotta give out accurate FACTS about my Detroit Tigers 😭😭😭😭😭. Although I will say that the retirement of Jim Leland as general manager is what doomed the 2014 team.
“Teams can’t just lose for years and expect to be good because of their high draft picks.” Yeah, see Pittsburgh Pirates 1993-2012. The Pirates had the same idea around 1997-2007. They thought they would just magically start winning almost by accident. They finally went and did a real rebuild in 2008-12 and in 2013 they won 94 games.
I want to root for the tigers but I cant bc they just cant get it together
Tigers have a nice farm system now
3:27 no argument about it, they hands down had them best rotation in baseball.
Tigers signed eduardo rodriguez and javier baez instead of Justin Verlander and Corey seager
As a tigers fan I wanted Justin verlander and a short stop I was shocked when they singed Javier.
Let me ask you. Do you think the Astros just out-traded them for Verlander or have the Tigers mishandled the return they go for Verlander?
Baez can't lay off those outside pitches way to many strikeouts
Now do a video on the white sox failed rebuild
Can’t wait for a similarly titled video about the Blue Jays.
They're good?
You don't even have to look at a team such as the Dodgers for a team that is a consistent winner for a decade yet has a top farm system. Cleveland is rated #2 by ESPN with their farm system and has had 1 losing season since 2013, and that was last year by exactly 2 games. Being a Cleveland fan, we always have pitchers coming up and doing well, and even our hitters that are coming up are doing better than in recent years, especially Steven Kwan. And Andres Gimenez, even if we didn't initially sign him, was the perfect cherry on top to make us forget losing Lindor. We are a team with a near past, present, and bright future. More than Detroit can say for sure. I don't see Detroit making the playoffs till 2026 at least myself.
Tell me you’re working on a video about Tatis’ suspension right now lol
I’m very certain he is
They could have selected a new GM at random from their Facebook page and had better results.
Can I get some analysis on the San Francisco Giants "aggressive retool"? Ownership will never say rebuild, and their actions and words often contradict. The farm system seems slow to develop talent. I keep hearing about all these good prospects the Giants have coming but almost none get called up when players get injured. The few that do get called up seem to have a really difficult time adjusting to mlb pitching. How far away are the Giants from being respectable again?
Comparing the tigers and dodgers but not mentioning their payrolls was pretty hilarious
While all the star Astros players are great players, and their rotation has typically been one of the best in the league, they were definitely helped for a few years by their sign stealing scandal. And the issue with Detroit is that Dombrowski destroyed their farm system in order to acquire who he thought were playoff players. That is what he did everywhere he went. He did it here in Boston and our farm system is finally starting to make it's way back up the ranks. While the Astros have their scandals, they do seem to understand the balance of needing a solid farm system to feed their top team to keep them playing well for an extended period of time.
I’m so glad the Tigers actually have a good GM and president of baseball operations
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@@jaysonb.6669 OK yeah never mind
Actually he might be a good GM
0:20 lol I can't stop laughing...
1-2 years ago I really thought the Tigers were going to start running the AL Central in 3-4 years
I don't see this team going anywhere as long as Chris Ilitch owns it.
The Pirates are also blowing their rebuild. Sucks that I can maybe hope they’ll be good by 2030.
I am an NHL fan mostly, but the same principle applies with a rebuild in that, tearing it down is so much easier than building it back up.
A rebuild becomes perpetual without the proper scouting staff and player development system in place, and putting that together is much harder than it looks. Once a rebuild becomes perpetual, loses on the field and financial loses won't be the only issue. A losing culture will take hold and it is extremely hard to shake that.
The Astros turnaround from the worst team in baseball in the early 2010's to a World Series win in 2017 (cheating aside) is pretty quick honestly.
I think Avila drafted OK: too much emphasis on pitchers for my tastes. His biggest problem, in my opinion, was not trading guys when their value was highest: Nick Castellanos, J.D. Martinez, Matt Boyd, Michael Fulmer, etc. In contrast, Dave Dombrowski excelled at trading guys before their sheen had worn off.
I heard it said of the tigers farm system that "the tigers don't care about batting average" IT SHOWS
The tigers are like what they are in the 90s and early 2000s
Houston and LA being the comps for rebuilding teams is unfair IMO. I mean look at the Mariners. After 2018 they tore it all down, sucked in 2019 and 2020, stockpiled young pitching talent, capitalized on international signings (and still do) and then used that farm system to acquire the best pitcher on the trade market. Seattle is a medium-sized market so it's not like you have to be a big market size to consistently win.
We'll wait until the Mariners punch their ticket to the post-season to validate them, they haven't sniffed October in two decades. It's a bit early to judge
As an orioles fan I wanna explain the last 20 years of our gm's. Dan Duquette is al Avila. Mike Elias I'd Jeff luhnow abd the guys before them were just straight bozos[macphail wasnt bad at trades or drafts but sucked in free agency and development]. Hence we finally got the rebuild right after several attempts since the 90's with elias.
what are you complaining about your team is ahead of schedule and competing for a playoff spot. They even have a good chance at the division.
@@josephcooter5763 he isn’t complaining. He is comparing how a crumby GM can set back a rebuild. The fact you say we have a shot at the division proves to me how little you actually know about baseball. Ever hear of the Yankees? Yeah they have +10 game lead over everyone in the best division in baseball.
@@danielnelson1901 I am saying that as a Yankees fan. The way we've been playing the last couple of months I wouldn't bet on us being their at the end. They are litterally playing the rest of the division back into the race. It is my biggest worry that we break the record for largest regular season collapse. That is not out of the rhelm of possibilities given how Brian Cashman has wrecked this team with some dumb moves at the trade deadline.
The reason I give you a chance at the divison is due to the fact that you've cut ten games off your deficit in a month. At that pace, you could well catch us. And past the Rays and the Jays if they continue to tred water. Don't go lecturing me about knowing anything about baseball. I've been following this game for forty-five years. I've seen teams like this collapse. Heck, I still remember 1978 as if it were yesterday. So I know anything can happen.
Except Dan Duquette was able to get the Orioles to the playoffs from 2012-2015.
Tigers need to fire their Hitting Coach. Firing Al Avila was a start. But Al Avila wasn't the reason why so many players saw their averages drop by over 30 points.
I thought the Tigers would be .500 in the '22 season. Boy was I wrong!
Btw Altuve was not drafted by the Astros. He was an international signing.
Astros best draft pick by far was the trash can drummer
In fantasy land in your head sure I guess
@@houstonsportsfan1017 sorry your team cheated
@@worthlesswaste3136 It's okay every team cheats, just don't have a rat like Mike Fiers
We Detroit fans have been handed horrendous sports so far this decade. Why Chris Ilitch gave Al Avila 7 years to produce one of the worst teams in the league is very difficult to comprehend.
The trade to move paredes to tampa for meadows was the cherry on top for me as far as bad moves after bad moves by Avila. Got rid of a very good prospect at SS to blow millions on Baez smh… They could’ve and should’ve been so much better this season
Hindsight is 20/20. As a tigers fan, I’ll back Avilas decision here. Paredes wasn’t seen as a good prospect last year, and watching him it didn’t look like he really had any tools. Where as meadows has been one of the better hitters in the American League for a few years now. No one could’ve predicted that paredes would’ve broke out this year, and meadows immune system would go to shit and he’d lose all his power.
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The Tigers are in the AL...
Can you tell me what you think about the white Sox?
Braves/White Sox World Series this decade
Shouldn’t have hired Tony. That move set the entire process back
6:11 an ERA OF 7?! Ive never heard of an era so bad… and even less when he’s a MAJOR LEAGUE pitcher
You should use other websites to tell the whole story about the farm system. ESPN has them in the 20s but MLB has them as a Top 10 system.
Let's get that Tatis video!
It helps when you know what pitch is coming
Astros did better on the road in 2017 though
@@houstonsportsfan1017
Let's keep making excuses for them.
all GMs have wet dreams about leading a re-build! Al got his wish, - Be carefull what you wish for Al.
The problem is you need 2 things to make your re-build be sucessfull
1. talent evaluation - tigers are terrible - and have been for 30 years
2. Minor league Coaching - you have to teach kids - not warehouse them -
Al thought he would wave a magic wand - instead he demonstrated for all to see how bad the organization is in scouting and player development
Rebuild back better !
AA was the Matt Millen of baseball
I think if you really believe in your prospects use them at a young age so you’re not in a position to trade them. If you hoard them like the Yankees they will always want your top 3 prospects for a rental and then eventually those prospects don’t pan out.
Braves are proving that.
@@johnwray393 what you mean? Can’t read your mind.
@@willm3027 I meant with bringing up Harris II and Vaughn from AA. Oh, Spencer Strider as well. We didn't let them simmer in the farm or pass them around in trades. Braves brought them up to see what they have, if they perform they'll get paid.
I am a dodger fan and yes we have the most consistent winning but none of that matters when you don’t have more than one ring
That one ring is from a fake season too. The Dodgers should be held to a higher standard than that. They are capable of winning one in a full season so they need to get it done...even though I find it entertaining when they choke.