Wow, thanks man! I'm glad you guys didn't take this video as me "dunking" on the WNBA. I'm a believer in the league. I just can't support the players' level of condescension, entitlement, and dishonesty, especially because it's coming from grown adults. That's probably the biggest thing holding the league back too.
@@TREESEhoops bro no way, this is one of the most fair videos I've heard on the topic. The truth is that sports are a business and that usually if a business can't find a market it flops. It's so weird that the league will find every reason to blame for their lack of success besides the product. The NBA has changed so much over the years in ways that many fans hate, but the changes bring in views which ultimately = money. I think if the WNBA player were more realistic about the root causes of their shortcomings they could also change their product and see more success!
@@TREESEhoops 100% agree, I feel the same way. I remember a black female anchor on ESPN recently out and out BLAMING BASKETBALL FANS for not watching it, calling it sexist etc. Exactly like what you said. A wake-up call really *is* needed.
Don’t let the WNBA fans (I say fans and not feminists because there’s a lot of reasonable and non biased feminists out there) hear you say that a video criticizing the WNBA is fair logical and supported by statistics. They’ll attack you and call you a woman hating misogynist incel. They don’t like hearing the truth about why the league is a failure and just blame men as being sexist instead 😂😂😂
Lowering the hoops will increase the entertainment. Maybe changing the format. The opportunity is there, you just need to figure out how to get the best athletes to play and how to increase the entertainment
@@larrygerry985 they don’t want to lower the rims. That’s part of the problem. They feel like once the rims are lowered, it’s proof that the WNBA isn’t as good, or on par with the NBA. Tmac suggested this on ESPN to one of these chicks and she got butthurt.
They could've lower their pride and do whatever it takes to make their games more exciting to watch. Men and women are biologically different in general. They can use lower rim or so they can dunk more often. Shorten the 3 pt line so they don't have to put much power on their shots and gets better accuracy. At the end of the day, the money comes from the entertainment value
They should actually give them what they're worth since they want to keep complaining they actually will owe money the NBA supplements their income bro they make great money just to play basketball be grateful and shut up.
Here's the problem even if they show them videos like this they still won't see the truth. i'd love to see the WNBA do great and get more people watching, but they need to have a complete reset of the entire brand then comeback, once they get the ratings up then they can talk about money until they do they do that woman's basketball is doomed.
F that. It's hard to debate with people like this. Their heads are so far up their asses that you can even make a valid point without them shooting it down right away. What's worse is if they are vocal enough, they end up influencing others.
Toolbox and playbook 101 of the feminist or gyno-centric female tactics: The art of telling a lie, is selling a lie as the truth and getting others to believe in your lie.
Bill Burr said it best. Woman failed the WNBA, take your side of the Sofa. If WNBA want men to watch the game then you have to hear men’s suggestions. The games are booooooooooooring to us, so lower the damn rim to at least see some dunks.
@@DP-eo5xd And they don’t use them to watch the WNBA ☠️, men make up a larger percentage of viewers than women do so obviously appealing to men, (the larger view base) is the obvious thing to do. They want dunks, give em dunks.
They need to lower the rim to 9 feet. The ball size is already an inch smaller than the nba, why not lower the rim 1 foot. Scoring would increase, dunks would increase, interest would increase.
@@sslamdfr, I’m a bigger fan of volleyball than basketball and women’s vb nets are about 6” shorter than men’s nets. It allows the women to play at a more aggressive level and is definitely a major factor in why women’s volleyball is relevant and entertaining in international sporta
@@sslamdsounds good, doesnt work. Why would you even bother? G League is already 100 times better than WNBA and ppl still dgaf. Sure it would help but wont turn it around to a profitable one.
WNBA had a massive head start compared to the NBA's foundation being created around the start of the tech boom. They've had all the support from the NBA but instead of accepting it they dig themselves deeper each time they speak about the inequality between the 2 leagues.
Let alone the advantage as opposed to some of the other women leagues in the past. They also need to have that same smoke with the WNBA with the CBA. But to Kelsey's credit, if it wasn't for her statement about revenue sharing years ago I would not have given their grievances a look.
@microwaveeeenot a bias but the product in general sucks its boring to watch airballs and miss layups when u can just go to a local gym and see that for free or gym fee like were paying to see pros and possibly highlight plays to make it more enjoyable and the wnba has been -10-20 mill every year since its creation the fact that they are still up and running is cause the nba is giving them money
@big_dro1713 Check out juat their shooting splits and you would understand why it is so boring. They also make boneheaded mistakes on almost every possession.
@@driftFree13 Someone that can wipe an ass is a dime a dozen. Someone that can play basketball at the highest level is very rare. Supply and demand are still the fundamentals of economics.
@Vanadyan Remember that when your ball 'players' get injured or collapse during 'play' and the healthcare 'workers' have to give them cpr, defib, IV, feed them and then wipe their high level ass.
I think another reason WNBA struggles to grow is the players that are given a platform to speak. You take an NBA player, and they go on a podcast or TV interview, they go out and talk about how fun they have with the game, how much they enjoy the competition, the struggle working hard to get where they are. Then you see a WNBA player on a podcast, or TV interview, they are non stop complaining, bitching about men not giving them respect, how underpaid they are, they are so unlikable I don't even want to give them a chance.
That’s 100% correct! I love watching women’s college basketball! But when they go pro and they get brainwashed and radicalized to the point where you can’t watch them!
Absolutely. I keep saying these players aren't doing themselves any favors with these constant combative attitudes. They come across as just plain nasty and negative towards everybody. Not exactly the way to grow your business.
I think the NBA should stop subsidizing this shit, and let the "the ladies make them own paper" We most certainly heard "sistas are doing it for themselves" enough
I’ve seen more college basketball jerseys then I’ve ever seen WNBA jerseys. I’ve never seen the WNBA jersey I Seymour high school jerseys and I do WNBA jerseys.
Giving her the smallest amount of credit possible - revenue and profit are different. The WNBA technically collects revenue because it brings *some* money in. It's just that its costs are significantly higher than that revenue, so they have negative profit. Of course, that still means they ahouldn't get paid more, but at least she's smart enough to point to revenue instead of profit.
I live in Las Vegas. Our WNBA team has won the championship back to back years. When VGK won the Stanley Cup there was more people in the first 10 feet of the parade than there were total at both Las Vegas Aces championship parades combined.
Funny thing is they’re paid MORE per player percentage wise of total revenue than the men of the nba. Average nba Salary is 0.1% of total revenue of the league and wnba average salary is 0.2% of the league revenue. So not only does she think she’s entitled to something she’s already getting, she’s completely wrong.
Reminds me of the US women’s football (soccer) team. They sued to get more money, when it got to court it was revealed they had actually been paid MORE per game than the men had, during the course of their contracts!
I remember when the WNBA began and it had TONS of advertising and television coverage. But, as time passed, it became clear that very few people were watching it. The sad truth is that virtually all of the people saying that they should be paid more aren't going to games or watching. And we know because we have the numbers. Like you said, the league needs to do some honest self reflection and start taking steps to improve their product. Laying blame on consumers is always a losing strategy and alienates a lot of potential customers.
The WNBA started out strong but fell off as more people figured out what it was. The NBA started out relatively unpopular but grew significantly as it aged and grew marketable stars. That situation is a mirror for how society views men and women. Women start out on top when it comes to value simply because they are young, attractive females-and they can either capitalize on it or decline. Men start out with relatively little worth and are only valued for what they can build.
the funniest thing to me is that the biggest supporting group of the wnba according to adam silver is old white guys 😂 but all the women complaining about it must not be paying for any tickets lmao
@@scottmccloud9029 It's the NBA's money, so our opinions don't count for much. The WNBA isn't costing them very much, really, and I think it could start making decent money if they made some changes.
What you said at the end about them moving to smaller cities away from NBA teams would actually do wonders for the league. Thats exactly why Minor League sports thrives
It’s because they go on shows that they know they will not get challenged. All those dudes sitting with her gave up their man cards a long time ago I imagine
Draymond Green has been the only one I've seen responding back directly to their assertions. He basically put Lisa Leslie in her place when she tried to whine about how the WNBA players don't make the same money as NBA players. He must have been holding that in for a while, because he really went off on her.
Exactly these girls want the luxury LeBron James has without the sacrifices George Mikan and Bill Russell West Wilt Elgin unseld Petit went through They know nothing about the fact that Bill had to play for the Celtics despite Boston being racist and people robbing his house And Bill sucked up and dealt with it like a man because that's what best for his team to win which in return was a massive favour to the league to keep their brand going
N almost 100% sure she could have found some marijuana no hassle in Russia, any pothead worth their salt knows not to fly with that s*** just pick up in the local area weed is everywhere.
@@matthewlee3868you can fly with weed easily not that I recommend it but I’ve flown georgia to michigan with weed n acid in my bag and as long as you check it in they won’t really go through it But don’t do it that can get you a domestic drug trafficking charge and alotta time in jail if not the pen Going cross country though with that shit especially as a famous basketball star with your careee on the line is a bigggg no no
was looking for this comment and i agree it could have also been "easily avoided" if she was a functioning adult with a brain to know not to fly international with a drug, especially to somewhere like Russia where the states are not on good terms with.
@@the406seadonkey6 Same thing basically, since its mostly men watching them as fans. Like, there are OBVIOUSLY exceptions, but sports in general is supported largely by male fans. That doesn't magically change because the players are female. Men just have a larger interest in sports. By default, nobody supports womens sports more than men. So anytime they blanket blame men, they are being anti-fan, because now 90% (all 12 of them) of their fans are being throne under the bus for no reason. Thats gotta leave a bad taste in the fans mouths, who now walk away after being needlessly mistreated.
It would be the same way if a man started a modeling or OF career. They wouldn’t do well because the majority of their audience don’t look at Male models or OF creators 😂.
Honestly, you hit the nail on the head. Moving the franchises out of big cities, to college based cities would definitely generate more revenue. Buuuuut. Now you want private jets. Now there’s a problem. Who’s paying for this?
@@richardsenkBeachwalkerthere’s too much sports competition in the big cities. I think it’d be helpful to move to smaller cities especially if they aren’t big college towns.
The wild thing is, women who don't watch basketball complain about the WNBA players not being paid a "fair amount" like the men... If women cared enough to spend their money in support, the WNBA would make profits. However, women spend the majority of their money on cosmetic products, overpriced bags, and surgeries. WNBA players should be mad at other women for their lack of funding, but they always find ways to blame men. Smdh
but then they'll complain that the NBA is neglecting them and the media pressure from vocal women will force NBA to step in and pay the bills. In this era, no one has the balls to let a female league go down.
Sounds like a good idea, but people rarely look inward when trying to resolve problems... always blaming outside forces and figures for your issues. They will just create another reason as to why they are failing, even if the WNBA goes out of business. What else are you supposed to believe when you have grown up your whole life hearing about how men are oppressing women.
We need to stop being or pretending to be understanding and nice to these delusional people and throw facts at them so they'll realize how wrong they are.
@@rodmoore1577 I agree the WNBA is simply not great right now but jesus, I guess I shouldn't be surprised a video like this makes some sexist fucks get out of their caves too lmao
Have you ever tried to use facts, logic and/or reason with delusional people? I've had more than enough conversations with flat Earthers to know that delusional idiots will flat out dismiss every piece of data you show them and simply continue holding on to their moronic beliefs.
My question to them is this, “Do you think you could survive without the financial support of the NBA?” I would be curious to see what their answers would be.
@@morganclare4704 They would lie, but would have to state as to how that could be done. There would be a lot of pauses and stutters. Make them come up with a viable solution if they believe they can do it. I wouldn’t bet they’d come up with one though.
I saw a video in which Shaq asked players if lowering the rim. Could make the game even more exciting. Of course, they all said No Way. But he should have followed up with the fact that the ball they play with is smaller than the men's.
Yep, give them the requested 50/50, get rid of the subsidies and let them feel the consequences. If simple logic fails them so drastically, let it also fail their league.
She has a point about getting a percentage of her jersey sales… the only problem is, it doesn’t sell, or sell enough. What I’m trying to get from what she’s saying or wanting is she wants her share of her brand, all the while throwing the organization that’s giving her, her platform, under the bus. Under this idea, the WNBA’s agreement to take in the majority of any profit is understandable. They’re trying to keep their platform afloat, giving these woman a chance to shine, and they in turn just wants to bite the hand that feeds them.
I'm willing to bet there has to be a certain number of jerseys sold before it becomes profitable to pay individual players a percentage. I imagine they break it down by league, if the sell enough, then by team, once again if they sell enough they can break it down by player. It's not worth the vendors time to add up each individual sell. I imagine the league in general is eating some of the cost on merchandise sales. They want it available to fans because it's good advertisement, but their not making money selling jerseys.
What's stopping her from creating Kelsie Plum merch? Those jersey sales as low as they are... are used to cover other expenses for the league. Plus no one would care who Kelsie Plum is if it weren't for the WNBA
The scary part is that these are mostly college graduates; not high school, college. She legitimately thinks she has a point that goes completely against basic finance.
They get to negotiate in the NBA for more money because they make a profit. The WNBA loses 10 million a year. The WBNA has never made a profit. How can you ask for more when your company has never broke even, let alone made a profit
That per game attendance sums up our lives perfectly lol. Men start at zero and have to earn it all, women start at 100 and have to try not to lose it all.
One way to make people actually watch the WNBA is have the Championship winner play any random middle American High School team at the end of the season. That I will actually watch.
"The whole Brittney Griner thing could've been avoided if the wnba was in a place where the players get paid better" or, you know, if she respected the law of the country she chose to enter
Yea everyone seems to forget that lol. She should’ve done that time. Call me sexist or whatever, but it is completely ignorant to believe that U.S. laws are every country’s laws. She’s a functioning adult, not a child. If that was a regular joe, we’d never even hear about it. Stupid
Also, there was absolutely 0 reason for Griner to be playing overseas... She's making at least 6 figures/year in the WNBA. She is greatly overpaid as it is.
Don't forget she was sent to a penal colony over some cannabis. She could have been there 10 years, if not more until the Russians got what they wanted. Don't forget the "Brittney Griner thing" was created by Putin and his band of Russians.
@@hughjass1976 it's not that simple in the civilized world. There is know governing body or individual who acts as the judge, jury, and executioner. But I am sure many will gladly welcome you and that ideology in the Congo or Middle East.
The entitled attitude of the WNBA players is insane. Theyre getting paid on average $120,000 to play a game at a level that, while it's tops among the women, it's mediocre in general. If somebody started a league for men that offered those kind of salaries for that level of play, you'd have qualified men lining up around the block. The comparison to the NBA G league is spot on. Those guys busting their asses for $40,000/yr and here are the women crying trying to compare themselves to the NBA.
It worked for college with title ix getting passed. Although now that NCAA men athlete can get paid and stopped pretending to be amateur, I can see women’s programs start getting axed over the next decade
This video is spot on! Common sense seems to not be very common with the WNBA players. Everything pointed out in this video is really just common sense.
I think the new cba deal should give the players 100% of the shares revenue but pull the subsidies. I bet most WNBA players don’t even know about the level of subsidies involved. What’s really funny too is women don’t even watch it. It’s like 80% male watched. Where are all the feminists when it comes to putting their money where their mouths are? The WNBA wouod fold in a month with no help from the nba
The first WNBA game with a 9’0” rim would be the most watched game in WNBA history. You’d get dunks, easier putbacks, easier layups, higher scores… but naw… just keep hoping people will watch. Working great so far.
"In all respect" had me dying. Bro, this should not even be a conversation. These girls should start a struggling business but pay their employees more than their revenue we'll see if they'll survive the market.
So basically they are just trying to put media and fan pressure on the owners so they can get a better cba? Yet they don’t take accountability for their garbage play or the fact that their fan base is smaller than many high school football teams.
@Mark Lester Gatchalian they need to do more than that, they need to turn it into a different sport. Look at softball, the WCWS gets more views annually than the CWS, why is that? It's because softball is more fast paced than baseball. Women aren't as strong or as fast or have the reaction time as quick as men, so they make the ball bigger and yellow, pitch underhand, bases closer, fence much closer to allow HRs...you watch softball and you don't see inferior athletes playing the same game as the men, you see an entirely different game. Imagine if they decided no more softball and they had to play on a field like the men, with reg baseballs? It would be painfully obvious that the product is not as good. I watched a video of Britney griner doing an interview where she misses 3 dunks....BG has a standing reach of 9ft2in and her vertical is so shit that she struggles to dunk? That's crazy
WNBA don’t have a cooked in fan base like their college counterpart and have to work on building it. In the early years, they tried to leverage the nba fan base but that’s not a long term strategy. The fact this “sports entertainment” is missed on many who are not open to the ideas of to improve the entertainment value.
Agreed they should get paid more...not the players but the referees, water boys, the sweepers, cameramen, and specially the team mascots. They keep supporting an organization that's been on life support ever since it was born.
The highest paid doctor makes around, $400,000 per year in America. We all know how hard that job is and to make even $60k a year for this garbage is a privilege. Its crickets in the audience and they should be counting their lucky stars.
If we actually did this across the entire economy we’d actually have real capitalism and things would actually be affordable. All the ridiculous prices in housing etc are because of zombie companies surviving long past their expiration date due to subsidies that come from net tax payers.
A couple of things that are driving me crazy, these women who presumably have a college education need to be told repeatedly that the “unacceptable”income they’re receiving now is CHARITY and that people who see how stupid this is don’t see the same thing happening on a much larger scale that is already impacting their own lives.
AMEN! Did any of these women take economics or business classes in college? You have a vastly inferior product that people don't want to spend their money on. Plus the WNBA is to woke and too political. The vast majority of the population is not interested in watching blue and green haired lesbians run up and down the court. The WNBA is just one more example of young people thinking they are entitled.
I had an Ex force me to attend a WNBA game with her (one of several reasons she is an Ex). I can honestly say I had more fun getting up and going to the bathroom. There was more excitement in the men’s room over what urinal to use than watching that game.
Imagine working for a company that looses millions every year, playing some lame ass bball, and still earning 120k a year. These women are so ungrateful, and will never be happy
That G-league comparison was great. Even people who don't understand finance can understand that comparable mens' leagues actually pay worse than the WNBA .
Bro whoever clip this video together did amazing shining the best light on the WNBA because I have been to WNBA games and these highlights are incredible compared to the actual product
The problem with WNBA, is their performance is significantly worse, compared to how these women played in college. The WNBA, doesn’t promote their superstars or their dominant or popular teams. They don’t have promotions that encourage people to watch them play, and honestly, I never noticed when their season starts or ends. What I’ve seen about the WNBA, is their proudness of being gay and lesbians and NOT putting enough pride in putting quality basketball on the court. It’s simply a unwatchable product and these women can’t make a simple layup or mid range jump shots. Women’s college basketball, is more professional, than the actual WNBA league itself. The drop off of the WNBA and women’s college basketball is tremendous different. It’s like the WNBA, are happy to be called professionals, but their overall product and performances, is mediocre with amateurish play, at best.
I remember growing up as a kid watching nba. And then wnba started and at first I was very glad that there was a female league. That one player that was on the sparks who could dunk. I forgot what her name was but I think she was the first to do it in the wnba. She had a bunch of sponsors and was on tv a lot. I had no problem and even admired her. I wanted them to have success. But as time went on I saw that many ppl didn’t support or watch them. But now with all the current wnba players, I’m actually repelled by their attitudes and entitlement. All these women are deluded and I’m shocked that they haven’t come in contact with a financial advisor that has explained how business works. Because they are making themselves look dumb and spoiled
Candace Parker, I believe. And nothing against Candace, but I remember her winning the McDonald's Dunk contest back in High School. The kid who should have won was absolutely destroying that rim. But she was like the first chick to dunk and they gave it to her. ruclips.net/video/VPGl7KFzKoA/видео.html&ab_channel=FrankieVision That being said, it wasn't her fault and she was a super sweet girl from a super sweet family.
Technically the first and most famous original WNBA player was Sheryl Swoopes. I think her team won the championship every year between 1997 and 2001 or something like that. She also won the MVP like five different times won a gold medal her or Lisa Leslie are the two most famous by far until I guess Diana Tarasi, and the lady who got arrested in Russia. Sue Bird is also kind of popular but mostly because Larry is her dad
@@lakoncers13 Thanks for that WNBA history lesson...that absolutely nobody asked for or wanted. We've all got Wikipedia too just in case we get curious, thanks anyway though bro. I've actually heard of all 4 of the names you mentioned though! Although I do have to call you out: Sue Bird is NOT Larry's daughter...you just made that part up 😂 She's only famous because she's a lesbian with that angry, pink haired soccer chick...
As someone who grew being part of a soccer club I don’t understand why wnba players don’t train and coach the youth in the off season. It’s great money and they would be pushing their sports forward for young athletes
Some of them have stated that making 100k+ isn't enough money to live on (lol) and need to play in foreign leagues in the off-season and don't have time for anything else. This is purely about money for many of them.
Some of them do. But point taken. Many of the players don't have the foresight to build the WNBA brand, and many of those who do aren't willing to do it, as it will most likely take a generation or two to really start paying out.
25 years is not young! It's an old, mature market. What they're asking for is more charity from the NBA players and for their team owners to lose even more money. A male league in any sport market would have been disbanded 20 years ago.
@@kaya856 Yeah, missed lay ups and constant turn overs is good basketball, I beg to differ. There's a reason for the jokes of 12-7 being the final score.
I hope your company loser 10 million a year for 3 weeks afyer you start working there and come back here and tell us if for unemployment check came in yet
They have no revenue to share! The WNBA has not made a dime since it started. It is subsidized by the NBA with 10 million dollars a year. It is a barley watchable sport. The best thing they could do is challenge high school boys teams to games, but they would not win many. The USA world champion women's team list to an under 16 Boys team by 12 points. ..in a half. The Australian women's team had a worse showing,so they canceled the project. They thought they would win easily,but they got chrushed.
@@michaelfranks4434 can you also please share how you got to this conclusion from my comment. I completely agree with this video, Liked the facts and statistics used to back the findings and the examples given. I agree with everything stated. So can u please elaborate on what you’re talking about. I’m completely confused by the 2 comments I received and how you guys got to your conclusion
Kelsey needs to quit playing, and go be a wife to her husband in New York. You're a wife now. She probably makes just enough for flights back and forth from Vegas. Then they have to support two households. Her money is useless now.
Here bro I'll say for you without all the niceness you feel you have to bring .....Ladies....Uh Hum (cough)....Yo league doesn't make NUTTIN ....If you want a certain percentage of the leagues financial pie ....Then get YOUR checkbooks out because YOU owe the league !
I remember the early days of the WNBA when they were marketed heavily and it was something new. Living in Houston, we had the Comets with marquee college stars like Sheryl Swoopes and Tina Thompson. Along with the first MVP Cynthia Cooper, they dominated the league and The Summit would sell out. After about 10 years though, the popularity of the league began waning and it hasn't recovered since. I don't know how long the league will keep going before the NBA owners decide to stop subsidizing it, but surely they can't continue to sustain this mediocrity. No one will miss the WNBA when it finally does fold.
Great video! Bill burr hits on this too. We gave them a league and its failing because women don't support it. Everything would be fixed if women supported the WNBA the same as guys for nba.
So the real problem was at the root Why do they pretend that women and men should be the same? If men are playing basketball I'm excited If women do it almost nobody is especially the women aren't excited Have ever seen Beyonce and Rihanna at an WNBA game? But if there's a ballet I'm more excited to see girls dance Like imagine if KanYE West Runaway had a bunch of dudes If it's figure skating I'm more interested to see the women If it's gymnastics Women and men are different so there are stuff more suited for men and stuff better fit to women It's impossible that we are all the same and can do the same things with the same results
Any person regardless of gender that loves to watch basketball would prefer NBA. I actually tried to watch WNBA but it is just not interesting. I am as woke as a person can get but this is not sexism. Just inferior product.
Same with soccer. Women don't support it, cuz men don't and many if not most women still crave a stage to attract the male attention they so desperately need. so they keep entering a male space. that's why we have more women at men's soccer tournaments or hot chicks in showy cutey outfits fetishizing themselves while playing videogames on twitch.
Yup, my mom and sister are as feminist as you can get and they have no interest in watching the WNBA. It's like, they're all happy it exists and women have an opportunity to play on TV, but I think to expect it to go much beyond the interest level the WNBA is currently at is asking too much. The product just isn't as entertaining or dynamic and on top of that doesn't have as much history.
@@gman7497 I’m glad to see people from across the political & ideological spectrum with common sense on this subject. I have sisters and went to girls sports all the time as a kid, and I’m happy they have a professional basketball league of their own, but yeah, it’s not as fun or exciting to watch and the players aren’t as good in comparison. And I say this while having memories of occasionally watching it since 1998.
Cut subsidy ties and let them go alone for a single year. Then renegotiate. No business on earth would be allowed to survive while making millions in losses every single year. People don't watch because its not exciting and the players are too pig-headed to change anything.
@@M7awesat The WNBA brings is squat for ad revenue. They bring in squat for apparel and concession sales. The product doesn't sell. The only reason the WNBA is in business is because the NBA subsidizes it.
The whole Griner thing could have been avoided if she just one, listened to the State Department when they said, "Americans should not travel to Russia", and two not try to sneak drugs into Russia.
Bruh, I live in Vegas, and I drive Uber part-time. I have over 12k rides over 5 years. In all my years of seeing people from all over the world, I've never seen a single person wear WNBA merchandise of any kind. Not even a wristband. I watched one game on TV ever, I fell asleep because it was so slow. I didn't even make it to half time.
You realize that the WNBA loses money every year and they don’t sell jack for merchandise. The NBA has to subsidize the WNBA, so what she really wants is a bigger cut of what the guys generate.
Possibly the most in-depth analysis of the WNBA salary issue I’ve watched on RUclips. Recommendations especially make sense. Lowering the rim and focusing on smaller markets. In fact, I’d recommend to take a look at what MLS has been doing and model yourselves after that! Smaller market teams, and then WNBA-specific arenas.
Lowering the rim would make the game more exciting alone. More women would be able to actually dunk the ball... and those plays can actually be exciting. Make the game more exciting, attract more fans, be able to get your players in to the sports shows, and make more money to advertise.
Unpopular opinion lowering the rim hurts the sport. Every outdoor, ymca, and rec center goals are 10ft some of them can’t be adjusted this would make practicing incredibly hard which only hurts the already large skill gap
@@Caam.P Every hoop a WNBA player would play on for money can be adjusted. Most gyms and high end parks already have adjustable rims. An adjustable rim for your house isn't even that expensive anymore. If people can adjust to shooting on rims in pools, WNBA players can adjust to shoot on a 9 ft rim. It would take like 3 or 4 days for the entire league to adjust.
Also: - "We want some NBA money." - "You already have it. Its funding your entire league. Without it, you wouldnt exist." - "...what? But-" - "Stop talking. Just go back out there and pretend to play basketball for the _maybe_ 20 people that show up every night. And no more complaining. Its embarrassing. Youre lucky to be getting paid anything at all."
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A very fair and statistically supported video. You're in your own class Treese!
Wow, thanks man! I'm glad you guys didn't take this video as me "dunking" on the WNBA. I'm a believer in the league. I just can't support the players' level of condescension, entitlement, and dishonesty, especially because it's coming from grown adults. That's probably the biggest thing holding the league back too.
@@TREESEhoops bro no way, this is one of the most fair videos I've heard on the topic. The truth is that sports are a business and that usually if a business can't find a market it flops. It's so weird that the league will find every reason to blame for their lack of success besides the product. The NBA has changed so much over the years in ways that many fans hate, but the changes bring in views which ultimately = money. I think if the WNBA player were more realistic about the root causes of their shortcomings they could also change their product and see more success!
@@TREESEhoops 100% agree, I feel the same way. I remember a black female anchor on ESPN recently out and out BLAMING BASKETBALL FANS for not watching it, calling it sexist etc. Exactly like what you said. A wake-up call really *is* needed.
Agreed, as a basketball lover I hope the wnba seeks better success but the way they act is very unprofessional
Don’t let the WNBA fans (I say fans and not feminists because there’s a lot of reasonable and non biased feminists out there) hear you say that a video criticizing the WNBA is fair logical and supported by statistics. They’ll attack you and call you a woman hating misogynist incel. They don’t like hearing the truth about why the league is a failure and just blame men as being sexist instead 😂😂😂
"I deserve my share of my jersey sales". Okay, here's $20.
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“You owe me $15” 😂
No, they’d owe the league money for not selling enough unfortunately for them haha
WNBA in 2021 also lost $12.3 million so for a fair share each player would owe the league $83,000
Lowering the hoops will increase the entertainment. Maybe changing the format. The opportunity is there, you just need to figure out how to get the best athletes to play and how to increase the entertainment
@@larrygerry985 they don’t want to lower the rims. That’s part of the problem. They feel like once the rims are lowered, it’s proof that the WNBA isn’t as good, or on par with the NBA.
Tmac suggested this on ESPN to one of these chicks and she got butthurt.
Isn’t the ball smaller?
Shirts v Skins....watch revenue skyrocket
I’m sorry but there are things that turn off some fans that no one wants to talk about.
The modern WNBA is a great example of what happens when "What we think we deserve" runs up hard against "What we can actually do".
They don’t have revenue
They could've lower their pride and do whatever it takes to make their games more exciting to watch. Men and women are biologically different in general. They can use lower rim or so they can dunk more often. Shorten the 3 pt line so they don't have to put much power on their shots and gets better accuracy. At the end of the day, the money comes from the entertainment value
They should actually give them what they're worth since they want to keep complaining they actually will owe money the NBA supplements their income bro they make great money just to play basketball be grateful and shut up.
What is WNBA?
Here's the problem even if they show them videos like this they still won't see the truth. i'd love to see the WNBA do great and get more people watching, but they need to have a complete reset of the entire brand then comeback, once they get the ratings up then they can talk about money until they do they do that woman's basketball is doomed.
“I deserve a share of my sales.”
“Okay, you owe us $23,000”
“Wait, what?”
lol
Lol
I’ll give her props on being completely confident in talking about complete nonsense
politicians
That's all modern females tho
All modern women do this 🤣 🤣 🤣
F that. It's hard to debate with people like this. Their heads are so far up their asses that you can even make a valid point without them shooting it down right away. What's worse is if they are vocal enough, they end up influencing others.
Toolbox and playbook 101 of the feminist or gyno-centric female tactics: The art of telling a lie, is selling a lie as the truth and getting others to believe in your lie.
"THEY DON'T SELL TICKETS!"
-BILL BURR
If the games were more entertaining, they would sell a lot more tickets. It's certainly worth a try before the league goes bankrupt!
Facts
"Men don't failed the wbna, women do, women don't give a shit about sports, Where are all the feminists when the season is on?."
Also, Bill Burr.
Bill Burr said it best. Woman failed the WNBA, take your side of the Sofa.
If WNBA want men to watch the game then you have to hear men’s suggestions. The games are booooooooooooring to us, so lower the damn rim to at least see some dunks.
Why do men have to watch the WNBA? Women have eyeballs too
@@DP-eo5xdbecause women DONT watch women’s sports… are u stupid?
@@DP-eo5xd And they don’t use them to watch the WNBA ☠️, men make up a larger percentage of viewers than women do so obviously appealing to men, (the larger view base) is the obvious thing to do. They want dunks, give em dunks.
Less basketball fans are women not in a sexist way it’s just true
lol what female basketball fans? Ironically there are more men that watch WNBA than women.
The fact that Steph Curry has more dunks in his career than all dunks in the WNBA Is insane
They need to lower the rim to 9 feet. The ball size is already an inch smaller than the nba, why not lower the rim 1 foot. Scoring would increase, dunks would increase, interest would increase.
@@sslamdfr, I’m a bigger fan of volleyball than basketball and women’s vb nets are about 6” shorter than men’s nets. It allows the women to play at a more aggressive level and is definitely a major factor in why women’s volleyball is relevant and entertaining in international sporta
@@jgilly223 Its makes perfect sense, but they won’t agree to it.
@@sslamdsounds good, doesnt work. Why would you even bother? G League is already 100 times better than WNBA and ppl still dgaf. Sure it would help but wont turn it around to a profitable one.
@@sslamd because for whatever reason, they see it as an insult. They blame everything except themselves….& it’s just embarrassing at this point.
I have never seen anyone wear a WNBA jersey in my life. I honestly didn't even think they sold those.
Haha you and me both 😂
Truly learn something everyday 🤣like where are all the feminist and why aren’t they wearing wnba jerseys
MVP comment
Yah I just realized I never see them at Dick’s Sporting Goods
@@TheRealLastJedi721 because most woman don't GAF about the WNBA lol it's ridiculous
WNBA had a massive head start compared to the NBA's foundation being created around the start of the tech boom. They've had all the support from the NBA but instead of accepting it they dig themselves deeper each time they speak about the inequality between the 2 leagues.
What inequality ?
@@Ober1kenobi You forgot about skill level and entertainment value lol
@@Ober1kenobithey think their being underpaid because their woman when in reality that’s just not the case
Let alone the advantage as opposed to some of the other women leagues in the past. They also need to have that same smoke with the WNBA with the CBA.
But to Kelsey's credit, if it wasn't for her statement about revenue sharing years ago I would not have given their grievances a look.
@microwaveeeenot a bias but the product in general sucks its boring to watch airballs and miss layups when u can just go to a local gym and see that for free or gym fee like were paying to see pros and possibly highlight plays to make it more enjoyable and the wnba has been -10-20 mill every year since its creation the fact that they are still up and running is cause the nba is giving them money
A friend of mine worked as the producer at the Talking Stick Arena. He gave me a free court side seat for a Phoenix Mercury game. I left at halftime.
Why did you leave at halftime?
@@big_dro1713because women’s basketball is boring af
Not even women that fights for wnba “workers” know wtf wnba is!
@big_dro1713 Check out juat their shooting splits and you would understand why it is so boring. They also make boneheaded mistakes on almost every possession.
I wouldnt have gone.
“What’s the debate? NBA, WNBA. One is a sport, one is a joke. I like sports, I like jokes. Room for all”
-Dwight Shrute
That was one of my favorite moments, just topped by deangelos juggling routine
The real question is, why do ball chasers get paid more than Healthcare professionals? I cheer for nurses!
@@driftFree13 Someone that can wipe an ass is a dime a dozen. Someone that can play basketball at the highest level is very rare. Supply and demand are still the fundamentals of economics.
@Vanadyan Remember that when your ball 'players' get injured or collapse during 'play' and the healthcare 'workers' have to give them cpr, defib, IV, feed them and then wipe their high level ass.
@driftFree13 because a lot of people can be nurses but only a few can play pro basketball? What kind of dumb statement were you tryna make
I think another reason WNBA struggles to grow is the players that are given a platform to speak. You take an NBA player, and they go on a podcast or TV interview, they go out and talk about how fun they have with the game, how much they enjoy the competition, the struggle working hard to get where they are.
Then you see a WNBA player on a podcast, or TV interview, they are non stop complaining, bitching about men not giving them respect, how underpaid they are, they are so unlikable I don't even want to give them a chance.
Facts
That’s 100% correct! I love watching women’s college basketball! But when they go pro and they get brainwashed and radicalized to the point where you can’t watch them!
Absolutely. I keep saying these players aren't doing themselves any favors with these constant combative attitudes. They come across as just plain nasty and negative towards everybody. Not exactly the way to grow your business.
So true
Dropping the truth hammer
I think the NBA should stop subsidizing this shit, and let the "the ladies make them own paper" We most certainly heard "sistas are doing it for themselves" enough
This comment should get tattooed on their arms.
I've never seen a single WNBA jersey out in public, ever in my whole life. No joke
*Mannnnnn no lie. I've never seen 1 any where. At the store. On the street. In the mall. At Work. At school.*
Lmao😂😂 Same
No lie what zero percent of zero
I've seen more old Negro league baseball jerseys, and that league has been gone for decades.
I’ve seen more college basketball jerseys then I’ve ever seen WNBA jerseys. I’ve never seen the WNBA jersey I Seymour high school jerseys and I do WNBA jerseys.
I’ve never seen a greater disparity between ego and talent
Haha. Totally! 🍻
Although I used to be a golf professional, and I've heard some s***. And then the jackass goes on to shoot 78. That's funny, too. 👍
Good one! cheers
That word "Accountability" is a powerful word. That is a Taboo word in the WNBA
For all women! And the NBA players are simps for supporting these decades old losers. cheers
As far as I am concerned they don't need a wake-up call they need formaldehyde.
Accountability to women is like holy water to a vampire.
@@DavidTMSN😂
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“We want a share of the revenue of the league”
Okay, we’re taking 200 dollars from you.
It is actually around 83000 each player should pay the league
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Facts
Actually it was deemed around 80k a year each player needs to pay to WNBA for profit share loses.
Giving her the smallest amount of credit possible - revenue and profit are different. The WNBA technically collects revenue because it brings *some* money in. It's just that its costs are significantly higher than that revenue, so they have negative profit. Of course, that still means they ahouldn't get paid more, but at least she's smart enough to point to revenue instead of profit.
I live in Las Vegas. Our WNBA team has won the championship back to back years. When VGK won the Stanley Cup there was more people in the first 10 feet of the parade than there were total at both Las Vegas Aces championship parades combined.
The Houston Comets won 4 championships in a row...8 years later they ceased to exist....
I live in Vegas and didnt know the name of the team.....let alone could even name 1 player.
Go, Golden Knights! And your hockey team is strong again.
“Where are all the feminists?” Bill Burr 😂
Those venues should be sold out, you’d think. Judging by the amount of shit you hear about women’s rights and empowerment and all that other nonsense.
Women failed the WNBA.
"We wanna be paid the same percentage of revenue in our league as the men in their league."
"Sure, here's the bill. YOU have to pay US."
Huge Caitlin Clark fan here! Never miss her games! Watching a bunch of ungrateful lousy lesbian man haters? Not so much! Sorry!
The NBA should stop supporting them too...see how that goes!! I wish I could play basketball and get paid...beats getting a real job!!
Funny thing is they’re paid MORE per player percentage wise of total revenue than the men of the nba. Average nba Salary is 0.1% of total revenue of the league and wnba average salary is 0.2% of the league revenue. So not only does she think she’s entitled to something she’s already getting, she’s completely wrong.
Reminds me of the US women’s football (soccer) team. They sued to get more money, when it got to court it was revealed they had actually been paid MORE per game than the men had, during the course of their contracts!
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I remember when the WNBA began and it had TONS of advertising and television coverage. But, as time passed, it became clear that very few people were watching it. The sad truth is that virtually all of the people saying that they should be paid more aren't going to games or watching. And we know because we have the numbers.
Like you said, the league needs to do some honest self reflection and start taking steps to improve their product. Laying blame on consumers is always a losing strategy and alienates a lot of potential customers.
The WNBA started out strong but fell off as more people figured out what it was. The NBA started out relatively unpopular but grew significantly as it aged and grew marketable stars. That situation is a mirror for how society views men and women. Women start out on top when it comes to value simply because they are young, attractive females-and they can either capitalize on it or decline. Men start out with relatively little worth and are only valued for what they can build.
the funniest thing to me is that the biggest supporting group of the wnba according to adam silver is old white guys 😂
but all the women complaining about it must not be paying for any tickets lmao
I'm all for defunding the WNBA.
@@scottmccloud9029 It's the NBA's money, so our opinions don't count for much. The WNBA isn't costing them very much, really, and I think it could start making decent money if they made some changes.
Yall remember Houston and NY had great teams..the feminist dont support sports...
What you said at the end about them moving to smaller cities away from NBA teams would actually do wonders for the league. Thats exactly why Minor League sports thrives
They moved to Tulsa, it lasted 3 months..12 people showed up to games.
I just love how they never get challenged when they go on these shows and spout nonsense
It’s because they go on shows that they know they will not get challenged. All those dudes sitting with her gave up their man cards a long time ago I imagine
If they challenge them they'll be cancelled by the woke mob. They bent all the way over lol
Draymond Green has been the only one I've seen responding back directly to their assertions. He basically put Lisa Leslie in her place when she tried to whine about how the WNBA players don't make the same money as NBA players. He must have been holding that in for a while, because he really went off on her.
@@cmc5394oparva I loved his response, he was like "nobody supports the WNBA more than NBA players and you come here trying to put the blame on us??"
They’re not going to risk losing sponsors for women who can’t dunk. 😂
I laughed everytime the interviewers try to pretend to agree to Plum’s point. 😂
Same here, not one of them had the balls to speak up lol 😂.
Seriously what is the point of having a show if all you do is nod and agree with whatever the guest is saying?
I think if they add Jordan Petersen in there to tell the WNBA players the "truth", it will make the interview more entertaining.
@@killustrator They are too lazy to do the homework to get a fruitful discussion going. That's the problem.
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Literally last season was the 75 year anniversary and she said the nba has been around 100 years😂😂 Kelsey Plum is a joke
Exactly these girls want the luxury LeBron James has without the sacrifices George Mikan and Bill Russell West Wilt Elgin unseld Petit went through
They know nothing about the fact that Bill had to play for the Celtics despite Boston being racist and people robbing his house
And Bill sucked up and dealt with it like a man because that's what best for his team to win which in return was a massive favour to the league to keep their brand going
NBA/ABA, they history stuff before the merger.
@@tpsam Those player didn't have to see fellow athletes making 50x more than they are though.
@@YouScareMe1 they don’t make enough this the problem with them tho
Nope.... clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer
revenue sharing does NOT include subsidies so you would make near zero right now!!
Put it like it really is. Nearly zero? They are not making any revenue since that league exists so the harsh truth would be, they would make ZERO!
The Brittney griner "thing" could have also been easily avoided if she didn't take an illegal substance with her to a foreign country
People seem to always gloss over that fact lol
This is what’s wrong with our society today, people need to take accountability for their actions and own up to their mistakes.
N almost 100% sure she could have found some marijuana no hassle in Russia, any pothead worth their salt knows not to fly with that s*** just pick up in the local area weed is everywhere.
@@matthewlee3868you can fly with weed easily not that I recommend it but I’ve flown georgia to michigan with weed n acid in my bag and as long as you check it in they won’t really go through it
But don’t do it that can get you a domestic drug trafficking charge and alotta time in jail if not the pen
Going cross country though with that shit especially as a famous basketball star with your careee on the line is a bigggg no no
was looking for this comment and i agree it could have also been "easily avoided" if she was a functioning adult with a brain to know not to fly international with a drug, especially to somewhere like Russia where the states are not on good terms with.
You summed it all up perfectly with the fact that the WNBA and most women’s sports want to blame their fans for their problems.
Nope. They blame MEN, not "fans". It's pathetic.
@@the406seadonkey6true
@@the406seadonkey6 Same thing basically, since its mostly men watching them as fans. Like, there are OBVIOUSLY exceptions, but sports in general is supported largely by male fans. That doesn't magically change because the players are female. Men just have a larger interest in sports. By default, nobody supports womens sports more than men. So anytime they blanket blame men, they are being anti-fan, because now 90% (all 12 of them) of their fans are being throne under the bus for no reason. Thats gotta leave a bad taste in the fans mouths, who now walk away after being needlessly mistreated.
It would be the same way if a man started a modeling or OF career. They wouldn’t do well because the majority of their audience don’t look at
Male models or OF creators 😂.
You can't blame what doesn't exist.....
They're going to renegotiate themselves out of an entire profession
We can only hope.
There is no actual revenue when youre losing money Kelsey Plum.
Honestly, you hit the nail on the head. Moving the franchises out of big cities, to college based cities would definitely generate more revenue. Buuuuut. Now you want private jets. Now there’s a problem. Who’s paying for this?
But then they would bitch about Duke, IU, UofM, Ky, drawing more fans and would go after their Revenue! 😂
not really. If you can't sell in New York or Atlanta, you definitely won't sell in small markets
@@richardsenkBeachwalker false
@@richardsenkBeachwalker not true
@@richardsenkBeachwalkerthere’s too much sports competition in the big cities. I think it’d be helpful to move to smaller cities especially if they aren’t big college towns.
What is 60% of nothing? She wants a bigger share of no $$.
EXACTLY the point of the video
Lol they'd owe the NBA money since they're in the negatives.
The wild thing is, women who don't watch basketball complain about the WNBA players not being paid a "fair amount" like the men... If women cared enough to spend their money in support, the WNBA would make profits. However, women spend the majority of their money on cosmetic products, overpriced bags, and surgeries.
WNBA players should be mad at other women for their lack of funding, but they always find ways to blame men. Smdh
Yeah they are bad at math. Like really bad we're taught from an early age that ya cant divide by zero
@@jdrmanmusiqking just like the percentage of them that dunk
They should just let them live the reality of a 50/50 split for one season. Sometimes people gotta feel before they understand.
Exactly, some people are too dumb to understand things UNTIL they experience them
but then they'll complain that the NBA is neglecting them and the media pressure from vocal women will force NBA to step in and pay the bills. In this era, no one has the balls to let a female league go down.
You gon' learn today!
@@mathewomolo I gotta agree with you. Should just leave the wnba to go to shit in their finance. Bunch of overpriced divas now.
Sounds like a good idea, but people rarely look inward when trying to resolve problems... always blaming outside forces and figures for your issues. They will just create another reason as to why they are failing, even if the WNBA goes out of business.
What else are you supposed to believe when you have grown up your whole life hearing about how men are oppressing women.
"we deserve certain % of revenue"... fair enough... how much is the league making?
We need to stop being or pretending to be understanding and nice to these delusional people and throw facts at them so they'll realize how wrong they are.
You mean you actually want to discuss facts with women? Well good luck with that one!
@@rodmoore1577 I agree the WNBA is simply not great right now but jesus, I guess I shouldn't be surprised a video like this makes some sexist fucks get out of their caves too lmao
Wouldn't matter.
Have you ever tried to use facts, logic and/or reason with delusional people? I've had more than enough conversations with flat Earthers to know that delusional idiots will flat out dismiss every piece of data you show them and simply continue holding on to their moronic beliefs.
In their minds, these people will never be wrong. Hypocrisy has no bounds!
When the company hasn’t made profit since they’ve been established, you don’t get the company bonus😂
If WNBA were any other business, they would have been forced into Ch. 7 bankruptcy proceedings!
I wonder if there is deficit sharing? Each player has to pay so many thousands just to play.
My question to them is this, “Do you think you could survive without the financial support of the NBA?” I would be curious to see what their answers would be.
They would lie. cheers
@@morganclare4704 They would lie, but would have to state as to how that could be done. There would be a lot of pauses and stutters. Make them come up with a viable solution if they believe they can do it. I wouldn’t bet they’d come up with one though.
I forget which NBA player had to sit a game out because he made this point publicly
Bro I would not be shocked if most WNBA players don’t even know this lmao
Oh you means without MENS help!?
I saw a video in which Shaq asked players if lowering the rim. Could make the game even more exciting. Of course, they all said No Way. But he should have followed up with the fact that the ball they play with is smaller than the men's.
and the fact that the NBA has changed the rules countless times for entertainment's sake
I think the biggest point here is that there is a considerable skill gap.
phyiscally they just cant compete
not even that. There is an interest gap. The fact is that women don't care much about sports as men.
@@jawelNeezeker and also literally a 50 years gap of history
they can always play in the NBA, if they are skill enough they will play in the nba and make the same money has man
@@yourlord4096 but they can’t…
Yep, give them the requested 50/50, get rid of the subsidies and let them feel the consequences. If simple logic fails them so drastically, let it also fail their league.
These chickens are getting 6 figures to play basketball and they're complaining
Right, especially for a league that don't profit,I would be thankful
She has a point about getting a percentage of her jersey sales… the only problem is, it doesn’t sell, or sell enough. What I’m trying to get from what she’s saying or wanting is she wants her share of her brand, all the while throwing the organization that’s giving her, her platform, under the bus. Under this idea, the WNBA’s agreement to take in the majority of any profit is understandable. They’re trying to keep their platform afloat, giving these woman a chance to shine, and they in turn just wants to bite the hand that feeds them.
So what youre saying is.. she doesnt have a point
Yeah soooo she doesn't have a point?
Not sure why ya said she has one
I'm willing to bet there has to be a certain number of jerseys sold before it becomes profitable to pay individual players a percentage.
I imagine they break it down by league, if the sell enough, then by team, once again if they sell enough they can break it down by player.
It's not worth the vendors time to add up each individual sell. I imagine the league in general is eating some of the cost on merchandise sales. They want it available to fans because it's good advertisement, but their not making money selling jerseys.
What's stopping her from creating Kelsie Plum merch? Those jersey sales as low as they are... are used to cover other expenses for the league. Plus no one would care who Kelsie Plum is if it weren't for the WNBA
@@vinyllpreviews9462 guarantee the wnba takes a loss on those jersey sales
"I deserve a share of my jersey sales"
That's why you get nothing.
😂😂😂 i don’t think I’ve ever seen a person wearing an WNBA jersey in public. I’m not even joking. And I’ve lived in NYC for the past ten years 😭
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The scary part is that these are mostly college graduates; not high school, college. She legitimately thinks she has a point that goes completely against basic finance.
College is indoctrinating people not teaching them anything useful.
Anyone can get into college/finish college these days, not what it used to be.
Colleges do educate now, they indoctrinate. Those are the exact voodoo economics that she was taught like JUST PRINT MORE MONEY.
Underrated comment
You know, cuz feelings.
They get to negotiate in the NBA for more money because they make a profit. The WNBA loses 10 million a year. The WBNA has never made a profit. How can you ask for more when your company has never broke even, let alone made a profit
What the hell is their strategy for negotiating a new CBA, threaten a walk out ??? 😂😂😂
That per game attendance sums up our lives perfectly lol. Men start at zero and have to earn it all, women start at 100 and have to try not to lose it all.
That is absolutely true.👍🤷♂️
Then they demand a “fair share” from the millions the men earned after regularly being handed a bone so they don’t completely drown.
One way to make people actually watch the WNBA is have the Championship winner play any random middle American High School team at the end of the season. That I will actually watch.
The varsity? Wouldn't be very competitive but I would indeed watch.
The highschool team would clown on the wnba team so that would make the league look like even more of a joke
😂😂😂 facts
Kind of like the literal Olympic Women's soccer team getting washed by actual Middle school boys. 😂😂😂😂😂
They will get raped on the court then claim sexual harassment even being butch dikes
"The whole Brittney Griner thing could've been avoided if the wnba was in a place where the players get paid better" or, you know, if she respected the law of the country she chose to enter
Yea everyone seems to forget that lol. She should’ve done that time. Call me sexist or whatever, but it is completely ignorant to believe that U.S. laws are every country’s laws. She’s a functioning adult, not a child. If that was a regular joe, we’d never even hear about it. Stupid
Also, there was absolutely 0 reason for Griner to be playing overseas... She's making at least 6 figures/year in the WNBA. She is greatly overpaid as it is.
Don't forget she was sent to a penal colony over some cannabis. She could have been there 10 years, if not more until the Russians got what they wanted. Don't forget the "Brittney Griner thing" was created by Putin and his band of Russians.
@@manapaws5507 If something is illegal, and you do it anyway, you have to accept the consequences, no matter if you see them as extreme. Simple as.
@@hughjass1976 it's not that simple in the civilized world. There is know governing body or individual who acts as the judge, jury, and executioner. But I am sure many will gladly welcome you and that ideology in the Congo or Middle East.
I’ve spent more time watching Women’s Volleyball in a single afternoon, than I’ve spent watching the WNBA in 27 years combined.
The entitled attitude of the WNBA players is insane. Theyre getting paid on average $120,000 to play a game at a level that, while it's tops among the women, it's mediocre in general. If somebody started a league for men that offered those kind of salaries for that level of play, you'd have qualified men lining up around the block. The comparison to the NBA G league is spot on. Those guys busting their asses for $40,000/yr and here are the women crying trying to compare themselves to the NBA.
Well said!
Welcome to 21st century women.
When the WNBA makes money, they get paid more.
I love how she's all mad at the NBA and the men when they're the one that funds every single one of their paychecks
It worked for college with title ix getting passed. Although now that NCAA men athlete can get paid and stopped pretending to be amateur, I can see women’s programs start getting axed over the next decade
Women just don’t watch wnba… simple..
Accountability? The WNBA? 🤣🤣🤣 Accountability is their kryptonite man!
This video is spot on! Common sense seems to not be very common with the WNBA players. Everything pointed out in this video is really just common sense.
“Oh you would like a percentage of revenue? Awesome.
Here’s the thing, we consistently lose money, so here is your bill.”
I think the new cba deal should give the players 100% of the shares revenue but pull the subsidies. I bet most WNBA players don’t even know about the level of subsidies involved. What’s really funny too is women don’t even watch it. It’s like 80% male watched. Where are all the feminists when it comes to putting their money where their mouths are? The WNBA wouod fold in a month with no help from the nba
That's not what revenue means. Lmao you sound just like them.
You don't understand what revenue is.
The first WNBA game with a 9’0” rim would be the most watched game in WNBA history. You’d get dunks, easier putbacks, easier layups, higher scores… but naw… just keep hoping people will watch. Working great so far.
Maybe even 8.5
Or worse, shame ppl for not wanting to watch.
This was brought up. They were pissed about it
I mean there probably still wouldn’t be any crazy dunks
But women grew up playing the same level rims as the guys though it would be pretty hard to adjust at first especially shooting
"In all respect" had me dying. Bro, this should not even be a conversation. These girls should start a struggling business but pay their employees more than their revenue we'll see if they'll survive the market.
So basically they are just trying to put media and fan pressure on the owners so they can get a better cba? Yet they don’t take accountability for their garbage play or the fact that their fan base is smaller than many high school football teams.
You nailed it! WNBA players need to be more fan friendly, rather than whining and blaming fans for not supporting them.
Its a fun new approach to pleasing your customers :D
Good luck. Dog-whistling is woke feminism's favorite hobby.
Women can be friendly just up to a point, it's their nature, they become a pain in the A much before men do...
Shaqs idea of lowering the rim to watch these girls dunk on each other is ingenious
It's not ingenious, it's obvious...that and a much smaller court
true. look at volleyball. its famous. and guess what net is lower on womens
@Mark Lester Gatchalian they need to do more than that, they need to turn it into a different sport. Look at softball, the WCWS gets more views annually than the CWS, why is that? It's because softball is more fast paced than baseball. Women aren't as strong or as fast or have the reaction time as quick as men, so they make the ball bigger and yellow, pitch underhand, bases closer, fence much closer to allow HRs...you watch softball and you don't see inferior athletes playing the same game as the men, you see an entirely different game. Imagine if they decided no more softball and they had to play on a field like the men, with reg baseballs? It would be painfully obvious that the product is not as good. I watched a video of Britney griner doing an interview where she misses 3 dunks....BG has a standing reach of 9ft2in and her vertical is so shit that she struggles to dunk? That's crazy
@@franquil85conn watching her dunk is sad, like you can barely clear the rim at 6'7"? Some of her dunks in this clip look like layups.
@@undrwtrbsktwvn1110 yeah, which makes it that much more laughable that she said she could body Demarcus Cousins
They don’t need a wake up call, they need a swan song. Fold already.
Should've pulled the plug years ago
I agree, all womens sport should be amateur... they have children to be raising...
@@thomasnickel1278 should've never been plugged in from the beginning lol
Treese would call you stupid
U incels mfs crazy ong
WNBA don’t have a cooked in fan base like their college counterpart and have to work on building it. In the early years, they tried to leverage the nba fan base but that’s not a long term strategy. The fact this “sports entertainment” is missed on many who are not open to the ideas of to improve the entertainment value.
Agreed they should get paid more...not the players but the referees, water boys, the sweepers, cameramen, and specially the team mascots. They keep supporting an organization that's been on life support ever since it was born.
The WNBA referees suck. Did you see that Russian troll Griner dunk after running for (5) steps !
You forgot the TV commentators...has to involve alcohol or crack if your going to hype that up.
I’d need a good paycheck to NOT crack jokes throughout a WNBA game I’m a commentator for.
The WNBA is such an incredible, elite league, that after a couple decades of its existence, I still don't know the names of any players, or any teams.
Danica Patrick is a small small forward I think
I think one of the teams is called "Clueless"
Marie Antionette had a pretty awesome career and should be remembered
lmao@@lifeisashonen4291
There is is or was probably someone named Wanda.
It’s scary how misinformed Plum is. That’s wild and so immature on her part
She is being intentionally dishonest.
It’s typical though
She’s notorious for saying dumb shit
Honestly i wouldnt be shocked if WNBA paid her to do that
She’s so confidently incorrect
The highest paid doctor makes around, $400,000 per year in America.
We all know how hard that job is and to make even $60k a year for this garbage is a privilege.
Its crickets in the audience and they should be counting their lucky stars.
i think we should just let them be strong and independent and go out of business like they should have.
That would be a very stunning and brave thing to do, let them stand on their own.
If we actually did this across the entire economy we’d actually have real capitalism and things would actually be affordable. All the ridiculous prices in housing etc are because of zombie companies surviving long past their expiration date due to subsidies that come from net tax payers.
A couple of things that are driving me crazy, these women who presumably have a college education need to be told repeatedly that the “unacceptable”income they’re receiving now is CHARITY and that people who see how stupid this is don’t see the same thing happening on a much larger scale that is already impacting their own lives.
AMEN! Did any of these women take economics or business classes in college? You have a vastly inferior product that people don't want to spend their money on. Plus the WNBA is to woke and too political. The vast majority of the population is not interested in watching blue and green haired lesbians run up and down the court. The WNBA is just one more example of young people thinking they are entitled.
There’s a name for this kind of logic
The whole Britney Griner thing could've also been avoided if she didn't bring hash oil into Russia
Lol right 😂
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Equivalent to 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if planes didn’t crash into buildings 😂😂😂
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Equivalent to 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if planes didn’t crash into buildings 😂😂😂
She didn't know. Typical woman.
@@dannycarlow8204 she knew…. 🤣😂
I had an Ex force me to attend a WNBA game with her (one of several reasons she is an Ex). I can honestly say I had more fun getting up and going to the bathroom. There was more excitement in the men’s room over what urinal to use than watching that game.
I think I would be more excited to see no line at the bar and food stand 😂😂then the game
That made me laugh so hard 😂
Battleshit war! 😂
Lol you didn't have to give that fake story to us. All you had to say was WNBA is bad and we would have understood.
Lol you didn't have to give that fake story to us. All you had to say was WNBA is bad and we would have understood.
Imagine working for a company that looses millions every year, playing some lame ass bball, and still earning 120k a year. These women are so ungrateful, and will never be happy
Your comparison of the G League and the WNBA was something I'd never seen before, and quite enlightening.
The Special Olympics has more fan engagement....(And ticket sales...)
🙄
Wild that G league players make less than a McDonald’s manager
That G-league comparison was great. Even people who don't understand finance can understand that comparable mens' leagues actually pay worse than the WNBA .
Bro whoever clip this video together did amazing shining the best light on the WNBA because I have been to WNBA games and these highlights are incredible compared to the actual product
Lol
its called "horse racing with donkeys" for a reason.
I like how no fans are in the background
The problem with WNBA, is their performance is significantly worse, compared to how these women played in college. The WNBA, doesn’t promote their superstars or their dominant or popular teams. They don’t have promotions that encourage people to watch them play, and honestly, I never noticed when their season starts or ends. What I’ve seen about the WNBA, is their proudness of being gay and lesbians and NOT putting enough pride in putting quality basketball on the court. It’s simply a unwatchable product and these women can’t make a simple layup or mid range jump shots. Women’s college basketball, is more professional, than the actual WNBA league itself. The drop off of the WNBA and women’s college basketball is tremendous different. It’s like the WNBA, are happy to be called professionals, but their overall product and performances, is mediocre with amateurish play, at best.
I remember growing up as a kid watching nba.
And then wnba started and at first I was very glad that there was a female league.
That one player that was on the sparks who could dunk. I forgot what her name was but I think she was the first to do it in the wnba. She had a bunch of sponsors and was on tv a lot.
I had no problem and even admired her. I wanted them to have success.
But as time went on I saw that many ppl didn’t support or watch them.
But now with all the current wnba players, I’m actually repelled by their attitudes and entitlement. All these women are deluded and I’m shocked that they haven’t come in contact with a financial advisor that has explained how business works. Because they are making themselves look dumb and spoiled
Was it Lisa Leslie? That's the only WNBA name I know
Candace Parker, I believe. And nothing against Candace, but I remember her winning the McDonald's Dunk contest back in High School. The kid who should have won was absolutely destroying that rim. But she was like the first chick to dunk and they gave it to her. ruclips.net/video/VPGl7KFzKoA/видео.html&ab_channel=FrankieVision That being said, it wasn't her fault and she was a super sweet girl from a super sweet family.
Its lisa leslie
Technically the first and most famous original WNBA player was Sheryl Swoopes. I think her team won the championship every year between 1997 and 2001 or something like that. She also won the MVP like five different times won a gold medal her or Lisa Leslie are the two most famous by far until I guess Diana Tarasi, and the lady who got arrested in Russia. Sue Bird is also kind of popular but mostly because Larry is her dad
@@lakoncers13 Thanks for that WNBA history lesson...that absolutely nobody asked for or wanted. We've all got Wikipedia too just in case we get curious, thanks anyway though bro. I've actually heard of all 4 of the names you mentioned though!
Although I do have to call you out: Sue Bird is NOT Larry's daughter...you just made that part up 😂 She's only famous because she's a lesbian with that angry, pink haired soccer chick...
This video has more views than an entire WNBA season. They all do.
Noone want to watch airballing layups
🤣
Perfect!
Exactly!! Honestly people aren’t interested in the WNBA. There’s a few die hard fans but it will NEVER I mean NEVER come close to the NBA views.
As someone who grew being part of a soccer club I don’t understand why wnba players don’t train and coach the youth in the off season. It’s great money and they would be pushing their sports forward for young athletes
Theyre too good for that
That requires effort and passion
@@sugarnads. I hope you’re saying that their attitude stinks
NBA players do it and even legends of before were also
Some of them have stated that making 100k+ isn't enough money to live on (lol) and need to play in foreign leagues in the off-season and don't have time for anything else. This is purely about money for many of them.
Some of them do. But point taken. Many of the players don't have the foresight to build the WNBA brand, and many of those who do aren't willing to do it, as it will most likely take a generation or two to really start paying out.
25 years is not young! It's an old, mature market. What they're asking for is more charity from the NBA players and for their team owners to lose even more money. A male league in any sport market would have been disbanded 20 years ago.
I think the biggest thing holding the WNBA back is the players' unrealistic expectations.
And here I was, thinking it was the terribly boring basketball they play
No defensive instinct. Strategy. Poor shot choice, little 3's, no defense, bad passing, no dunking, horribly looking females.
@@kaya856 Yeah, missed lay ups and constant turn overs is good basketball, I beg to differ. There's a reason for the jokes of 12-7 being the final score.
@@standardofexcellence Exactly, no one wants to watch ugly lesbians do anything, especially terrible basketball
They are also terrible at playing the game of basketball
You did a great job at sharing your opinion while backing it up with facts. The comparison between G-League vs Wnba was a good point.
I hope your company loser 10 million a year for 3 weeks afyer you start working there and come back here and tell us if for unemployment check came in yet
They have no revenue to share! The WNBA has not made a dime since it started. It is subsidized by the NBA with 10 million dollars a year. It is a barley watchable sport. The best thing they could do is challenge high school boys teams to games, but they would not win many. The USA world champion women's team list to an under 16 Boys team by 12 points. ..in a half. The Australian women's team had a worse showing,so they canceled the project. They thought they would win easily,but they got chrushed.
@@axer3515 can you please tell me how me agreeing with this video, stating why I like this video, how you got to this point to leave this comment?
@@michaelfranks4434 can you also please share how you got to this conclusion from my comment. I completely agree with this video, Liked the facts and statistics used to back the findings and the examples given. I agree with everything stated. So can u please elaborate on what you’re talking about. I’m completely confused by the 2 comments I received and how you guys got to your conclusion
Kelsey needs to quit playing, and go be a wife to her husband in New York. You're a wife now. She probably makes just enough for flights back and forth from Vegas. Then they have to support two households. Her money is useless now.
bill burr really was on point
MVP comment
Yes, MVP
Here bro I'll say for you without all the niceness you feel you have to bring .....Ladies....Uh Hum (cough)....Yo league doesn't make NUTTIN ....If you want a certain percentage of the leagues financial pie ....Then get YOUR checkbooks out because YOU owe the league !
You had a very well informed and analytical take on things and I think your potential fixes were spot on good job
I remember the early days of the WNBA when they were marketed heavily and it was something new. Living in Houston, we had the Comets with marquee college stars like Sheryl Swoopes and Tina Thompson. Along with the first MVP Cynthia Cooper, they dominated the league and The Summit would sell out. After about 10 years though, the popularity of the league began waning and it hasn't recovered since. I don't know how long the league will keep going before the NBA owners decide to stop subsidizing it, but surely they can't continue to sustain this mediocrity. No one will miss the WNBA when it finally does fold.
Great video! Bill burr hits on this too. We gave them a league and its failing because women don't support it. Everything would be fixed if women supported the WNBA the same as guys for nba.
So the real problem was at the root
Why do they pretend that women and men should be the same?
If men are playing basketball I'm excited
If women do it almost nobody is especially the women aren't excited
Have ever seen Beyonce and Rihanna at an WNBA game?
But if there's a ballet I'm more excited to see girls dance
Like imagine if KanYE West Runaway had a bunch of dudes
If it's figure skating I'm more interested to see the women
If it's gymnastics
Women and men are different so there are stuff more suited for men and stuff better fit to women
It's impossible that we are all the same and can do the same things with the same results
Any person regardless of gender that loves to watch basketball would prefer NBA. I actually tried to watch WNBA but it is just not interesting. I am as woke as a person can get but this is not sexism. Just inferior product.
Same with soccer. Women don't support it, cuz men don't and many if not most women still crave a stage to attract the male attention they so desperately need. so they keep entering a male space. that's why we have more women at men's soccer tournaments or hot chicks in showy cutey outfits fetishizing themselves while playing videogames on twitch.
Yup, my mom and sister are as feminist as you can get and they have no interest in watching the WNBA. It's like, they're all happy it exists and women have an opportunity to play on TV, but I think to expect it to go much beyond the interest level the WNBA is currently at is asking too much. The product just isn't as entertaining or dynamic and on top of that doesn't have as much history.
@@gman7497 I’m glad to see people from across the political & ideological spectrum with common sense on this subject. I have sisters and went to girls sports all the time as a kid, and I’m happy they have a professional basketball league of their own, but yeah, it’s not as fun or exciting to watch and the players aren’t as good in comparison. And I say this while having memories of occasionally watching it since 1998.
Cut subsidy ties and let them go alone for a single year. Then renegotiate. No business on earth would be allowed to survive while making millions in losses every single year. People don't watch because its not exciting and the players are too pig-headed to change anything.
NBA games in a season = 82
WNBA games in a season = 36
and the quality isn't even comparable and they want even salaries, someone wake em up please.
@@M7awesat facts
It isn't just that. The ad revenue for the men far surpasses ad revenue for the WNBA. Why? Because no one watches the WNBA.
@@M7awesat The WNBA brings is squat for ad revenue. They bring in squat for apparel and concession sales. The product doesn't sell. The only reason the WNBA is in business is because the NBA subsidizes it.
The whole Griner thing could have been avoided if she just one, listened to the State Department when they said, "Americans should not travel to Russia", and two not try to sneak drugs into Russia.
Being fair she just had to not sneak vape cartridges in Russia, y'know, basic respect for the law...
Bruh, I live in Vegas, and I drive Uber part-time. I have over 12k rides over 5 years. In all my years of seeing people from all over the world, I've never seen a single person wear WNBA merchandise of any kind. Not even a wristband. I watched one game on TV ever, I fell asleep because it was so slow. I didn't even make it to half time.
The very first issue is that WNBA players even compare themselves to NBA players. There is NO comparison. Insanity.
Can honestly say I’ve never seen someone wearing a WNBA jersey.
what pisses me off is every time they present these ideas to dudes, they all just yes men instead of bringing up facts
They can only handle beta energy
It's either bend over else bet cancelled by the woke mob
Great explanation, valid arguments and comparisons. This is high level quality Treese!
You realize that the WNBA loses money every year and they don’t sell jack for merchandise. The NBA has to subsidize the WNBA, so what she really wants is a bigger cut of what the guys generate.
They should do the bargaining agreement. Each player would end up owing money
Possibly the most in-depth analysis of the WNBA salary issue I’ve watched on RUclips.
Recommendations especially make sense. Lowering the rim and focusing on smaller markets.
In fact, I’d recommend to take a look at what MLS has been doing and model yourselves after that!
Smaller market teams, and then WNBA-specific arenas.
MLS is a bad example. Its success is tied to the invasion of America by millions of hispanics who are to short to play any sport other than soccer.
Lowering the rim would make the game more exciting alone. More women would be able to actually dunk the ball... and those plays can actually be exciting. Make the game more exciting, attract more fans, be able to get your players in to the sports shows, and make more money to advertise.
Greatest dunks montages are pretty comparable. 😍
Unpopular opinion lowering the rim hurts the sport. Every outdoor, ymca, and rec center goals are 10ft some of them can’t be adjusted this would make practicing incredibly hard which only hurts the already large skill gap
@@Caam.P Every hoop a WNBA player would play on for money can be adjusted. Most gyms and high end parks already have adjustable rims. An adjustable rim for your house isn't even that expensive anymore. If people can adjust to shooting on rims in pools, WNBA players can adjust to shoot on a 9 ft rim. It would take like 3 or 4 days for the entire league to adjust.
"We want some NBA money."
"Are you going to bring in NBA money? Do you have NBA talent?"
"Well no but...."
"Come back when you're more profitable. "
Also:
- "We want some NBA money."
- "You already have it. Its funding your entire league. Without it, you wouldnt exist."
- "...what? But-"
- "Stop talking. Just go back out there and pretend to play basketball for the _maybe_ 20 people that show up every night. And no more complaining. Its embarrassing. Youre lucky to be getting paid anything at all."
Great video. Every WNBA player should watch this and educate themselves.
And then it just drops after 1998 after he was done and then comes back again when he join the NBA again. One man basically.