7 CONTROVERSIAL Doctrines Christians Need to STOP Arguing About...NOW!
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- As Christians, our beliefs are being attacked on a regular basis. But, not all beliefs are created equal. How should we discern what beliefs we should spend our time defending and others that may not be worth our time? This video will explore 7 very controversial, but non-essential doctrines that (in my opinion) Christians need to just stop arguing about. Let me know your thoughts on these in the comments below!
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00 - Introduction
03:21 - #7 - Women Pastors
06:42 - #6 - Spiritual Gifts
10:07 - #5 - Christians and Demons
13:07 - #4 - Modern Christian Music
16:40 - #3 - Tithing
20:08 - #2 - End-time Events
22:16 - #1 - Predestination vs. Free Will
24:28 - Final Remarks
Hey family! I really hope you enjoy this video and that it sheds light on what we should and should not be spending our precious time arguing over. Let me know your thoughts below! Enjoy!
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Hey brother thanks for all that you do for us. How should we take this passage on tithes?Matthew 23:23
English Standard Version
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others
@@luiscortes313 I'm not Allen, but, I'd like to share this with you. Christians are not under the Law of Moses, therefore, we are not under any law to tithe. We are expected to give from our hearts. We are expected to support our Pastors, Preachers, Teachers, ect.. We are expected to give to the Church to keep it operating; paying electric, gas, water, ect., so we have a place to worship, fellowship, and learn the ways of God together as a family. Jews offered sacrifices that fed, and supported the Priests. The left overs were distributed to the poor. We do the same things but in different ways. Their laws are written on stones, ours are written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit that abides in us. I pray this helps you understand. Be blessed!!!
Thank you soooo much… lost a lot friends because of disagreements it had nothing to do with my salvation and belief in Jesus being LORD
We may disagree, but we don't disrespect. Well said. Thanks for helping us think through these issues.
I’m so disappointed you didn’t add the Sabbath to your list..
What about the issue of Baptism , and re- baptist
My respect for Allen Parr just elevated to a higher level. God's really given him great wisdom.
Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee.
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased.
But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
This is a legit Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit.
This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.".
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This why I believe God sent me to his page. I completely understand who I am an my faith 100% because of him
Nice username Mo 😂🙌🏼 very true what you are saying about Allen, the Holy Spirit is very much working through him. Ordered his book just now:)
Ps: pray for the misled Muslims that they find their way back to the one and only God who is Triune! 🙏🏼
Amen
I thought i'd only see u under Islamic videos ,nice seeing u here brother .
Thank you Allen. I found myself thrown into deliverance ministry. When it occurred I realised that I had seen a “ghost”, when I was 9 years old. When we left that depressing house my father told me of what he had seen but worse still we had tenants at one time and their little boy was found virtually dead by the coal fire. He was rushed to the emergency room and spent time in hospital. He could do nothing for himself. He was only 2. Being Roman Catholics we had our priest come in and bless the house and although we could feel something was wrong, the priest could not get rid of it. The next time deliverance occurred I was an adult now living in South Africa where witchcraft, ancestor worship are frequently mixed with so called Christianity. I was blessed to be at a church who sent a man to our home and the demon took 3 days to get rid of. I’m not going into details other than we had been to Egypt a couple of years before and purchased a beautiful painting called “The River of Life”. None of the Egyptian Gods were in it. It was the Nile with fish, flowers, 😅birds and finished with Gold. This dear man took one look at it and told me to get it off the wall. As I got up on the sofa it came off the wall at me and removed plaster from the wall. That was a eye opener. Now at 72 I’m in a wheelchair most of the time, so no climbing on sofas. Since then I have been used in the deliverance ministry as God wills and since I’ve been in the wheelchair also. I fully agree with you that this is a specific calling on your life and have taught new Christians, that you have to know who you are in Jesus Christ. Do not get involved unless God calls you. Paul tells of the sons of Shiver who thought they could get rid of demons and the demons said Jesus we know, Paul we know, who are you? They were beaten by the demons and their clothes ripped. Bless you brother for all you do and your family also. Love from Johannesburg South Africa 🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️😇😇😇🥰
Cast out unclean spirits in the name and authority of Jesus ONLY. No pomp. No ceremony. Just like the bible says
What do you call ghost. If you think it was a dead human, the bible speaks on the dead being dead. Jesus is the only one who has risen. I would say it could have been a demon or angel but not a dead human.
That was great. Thank you. We have the same beliefs. I remember once telling God I was going to walk away from my walk with Him. His reply was “I chose you.” Thank God He chose me. I fall on my knees and weep with gratitude. He chose me and He keeps me. What a mighty God we serve!
Thank God HE chooses in pure Grace and mercy.. Jesus tells us to come and he will not cast us out but IF you DO come --- HE chose to save you 😅
Brother Parr, You have proven yourself to be very level-headed, open-minded, and filled with common sense when exegeting the Scripture. Blessings to you.
Well said Allen!! Let us not forget Love the most important commandment of them all ♥️ stay ready my brothers & sisters 🙏🏽🙌🏽
Yes
Great video brother! Let all of us talk to each other in the spirit and not the flesh, especially when we talk about these issues.
I really appreciate one of your lines: diversity in the church community. Sometimes, we can be so caught up on being religious and closed-minded that we misunderstand others. You never know how much of a blessing someone may be in your life if you don't listen to them.
People can be ardent in their views and consider opposing view as "close minded". In the culture I often hear people say that Christians are "close minded". But that really means since you do not agree with my point of view, then you have to be "close minded" (ie, something wrong with your thinking and conclusions)not to see my point of view. I do not think people are so much closed minded as much as they hold a different point of view. Ultimately that point of view my end up being right or wrong but it has nothing to do with a closed mind. People can be stubborn about their views and that can be good or bad depending on their views, but there is nothing wrong with being stubborn especially if you hold a correct view. Anyway, as you can see I have a thing about the term "Close Minded" Generally if I call some one "close minded" then I am being "close minded" about their views. It is similar to tolerance. The culture says that Christians are not tolerant of the cultures view. But please notice that they are not being tolerant of the Christian view. True tolerance (which no one practices) would entail tolerating Every Point of view. But that is not what happens in the culture. The culture wants you to embrace their point of view but will not accept your point of view. The thing is that they claim to be tolerant! So don't fall for the Tolerance trick from the culture. I think Christianity is pretty tolerant but its main focus is Truth. Christians do not promote everything the culture promotes. And the culture does not promote Christianity. Each side accepts some things and rejects other things. The culture promotes tolerance while not practicing it. Thanks for you post and I pray you bear with my rant! God Bless.
This video has been such a blessing to me. I find myself getting upset with other believers over these very topics. Thank you for helping me understand I don't have to do that. God bless!
So, you like to be dominated by men??
I really needed this video. I’ve been in the word like any other believer but I see so many RUclipsrs state their opinion on these topics & a wide variety of others. I started confusing my sinful nature for demons and I felt like my salvation was coming into question. I started to turn into a Pharisee and started pointing my finger at others instead of dealing with the log 🪵 inside of my eye. Also, I struggle with some strongholds and I started to let that define my salvation instead of what was done on the Cross. Thank you Allen for all your videos. I copped one of your “ He said what He said shirts” as well 🙏🏼 God bless.
God bless you brother you are on the right track. Keep listening to folks like Pastor Parr.
I hear brother,until recently I was the same and understand the greatest commandment is love God love your neighbour as yourself,I believe we need to minister the truth in gentleness and kindness that means not affirming behaviours and sin,also means correction to the body of Christ with out hyprocracy and not to be mean spirited about it!the word of God is lamp!
Same, it’s like the more you learn the more questions arise. You start questioning what’s what due to all these different teachings. We should all just let the Holy Spirit guide us in Gods word. This is to myself as much as anyone else.
Go and make a good confession and Lord will foregive your sins. But the praxis shows that demons can posses christians. I do not know why, but they can.
Brave of you to share this, thank you for your vulnerability. Praise God for placing His servants in front of you to bring you closer to Him!
Thank you for this video! It's hard to be a united Church when we can't even discuss disagreements.
As for the predestination/free will, I look at like this: If I tell a room of thirty 1st graders, none of which have any food allergies, that they can have a bowl of ice cream or a bowl of broccoli, but I can only bring 30 pre-selected bowls, I'm not bringing broccoli. I believe that God knows our hearts before we are ever conceived, and He knows if we want ice cream or broccoli. We are free to choose, but He already knows the choice.
I have always looked at it in that way too; That God knew before we were born who would receive Him and who would reject Him.
I agree, but I think there’s more to it than just that. I believe our sin nature prevents us from freely choosing God; our natural inclination is to reject Him. We only gain the ability to freely choose Him once He has worked on our hearts and minds to enable us to truly hear and understand the gospel. He unlocks the door, freeing our will, then we have to accept and step through. He chooses to reveal Himself to some and not to others. Predestination vs free will isn’t an either/or situation, it’s both. He knows who will choose Him, and reveals Himself accordingly.
That's basically the free will / Arminian position
I am a charismatic Christian, and it seems that I would probably disagree with you on at least half of these issues you have discussed. But even in the areas of disagreement, I could admit that I have seen things in church and in scripture that make it understandable how someone would come to a different conclusion on that issue. I love this video! You are a good Christian brother and I can see that you are trying to reflect Jesus' heart of love and unity. God bless you and may he bring all of the Christians in all denominations and groups together in unity centered on our faith in Jesus Christ and the core teachings of the gospel!
Amen brother! I respect you as a charismatic. You are my brother and I love you with the love of the Lord! Stay encouraged 👊🏾!
We need to distinguish "arguing" from discussing. I hope every believer feels the freedom to discuss their perspective and commend it to the conscience of others according to Scripture along with what we see as the strength of our view and the weakness and risks of opposing views. The harm comes when we make these honest differences of interpretation into reasons to cast aspersions or make accusations or demand "repentance" from those with differing views. This is where an honest discussion among brothers turns into argument and division.
Well said!
Also, we should choose when and how to have those conversations (if at all)!
This platform, for example, is definitely not suitable. We are all strangers on here and have little hope in ‘converting’ another stranger with our pithy or stringent statements on any given precept.
This is not the place.
A one on one, prayerful discussion with plenty of diving into the Bible is the way forward. If the conversation is deemed necessary at all! 🤗
@@caroleceres I would hope all of us are capable of having our minds and hearts changed by digging into the Bible. Strangers have changed my mind many times using Scripture. My plan is to "do unto others" and continue teaching every aspect of Scripture without intentionally avoiding topics just because some find them "controversial."
Did Jesus avoid controversial topics? Did the prophets? Did the evangelists? Did the Apostles? Circumcision was a controversial topic in Paul's day. He didn't avoid it.
@@jesusprofessor314 I think that I did not explain myself well enough. Which I suppose goes to prove my point.
I am sure that I didn’t say anything about avoiding biblical subject matters. I hoped that when I said that this and places like this, were not the forum to do so, people would have understood that I was advocating face to face biblical discussions.
Many times I have come across people slamming their points of views without due care or attention to à counterpoint view, with or without supporting scripture.
Nothing is gained. Tempers flare. Antagonism arises. No one ‘wins’.
I’m sorry if I didn’t make that clear. Yes we will have our minds changed by digging into the Bible, rather than digging into each other.
As an addendum: Jesus, Paul and the original Apostles were not strangers. We all know who they are, we quote them! We are assured that they were of God, washed by The Holy Spirit. They were well known people in their time.
You have no idea who I am, nor I you! We would have to learn from the Bereans and search the scriptures to verify anything that the other said to us. Then if we wanted to follow up or clarify, there’s little opportunity to do so.
That also is my point. These social media platforms do not necessarily lend themselves to that, because some people use them with the wrong motives/mindset.
Hi Allen. I think the gift of “tongues” is greatly misinterpreted. It is my understanding that the apostles speaking in “tongues” meant only that when they preached in they’re own native language, anyone listening to them heard the words in their own language, no matter where they were from. It was definitely not the “gibberish” I hear from those charismatics professing to be able to do the same!
So true but this fact blows up the United Penticostal Church!
This is my understanding as well
WHEN I PRAY IN TONGUES WHICH IS A HEAVENLY LANGUAGE MEANT FOR PRAYER BETWEEN YOU AND GOD TO EDIFY HIS WILL INTO YOUR LIFE SO SATAN CAN NOT HEAR AND KNOW...IS MEANT TO BE IN PRIVATE ONLY. I WRITE DOWN THE WORDS I HEAR DURING PRAYER AND ITS WORDS FROM ALL 12 HEBREW TRIBES OF TODAY ALSO SANSKRIT. IVE HEARD WORDS IN MY PRAYER LANGUAGE FROM EVERY POLYNESIAN LANGUAGE, AFRICAN, SPANISH, NATIVE AMERICAN LANGUAGES ECT. ALL THESE TRIBES ARE OF THE 12 DISBURSED HEBREW TRIBES. TRUE TONGUES IS NOT BABABA LALALA. IT IS A PRAYER OF ALL GODS LANGUAGES COMBINED. WHEN YOU HEAR TRUE TONGUES YOU'D UNDERSTAND.
i agree with this. its not gibberish by any means. its not babbling like people do now.
”For if you have the ability to speak in tongues, you will be talking only to God, since people won’t be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious.“
1 Corinthians 14:2
This doesn’t sound like a earthly language
Wow this was so well done and helpful. I have struggled with seeing different Christian teachers I love calling each other false. This gave me the clarity I needed to move forward and not get stuck worrying about it. Thank you!!!
This was such a great video! It's just plain sound wisdom. Thankyou Allen. The church needs this more than ever, standing together...not accusing, condemning, or divisive about secondary issues. Amen.
Thank you Pastor Allen! This teaching is so needed on a global level.
What an INFORMATIVE and SPIRITUALLY sound video. I have shared it to many people who I think will benefit from it. Well done Allen!! 🙏🏾
Good comments. Mighty brave of you to share your thoughts on each of these topics. So much fighting and church splitting has occurred over these topics.
We were just talking about predestination in our home fellowship. It was a good discussion and no arguing. Then one man spoke up and said, “No matter which it is, God did it!” To me it doesn’t matter. Just share the Gospel as we are told. I do agree with your view. This has been great! Thank you!
Predestination only deals with groups, never individuals; God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!
Many peoples problems with this subject comes from bad physics. It is clear that God gave all so his creation free-will. He sits outside of his creation and knows the beginning and the end. God knows which sin you are going to commit next Thursday. He has seen your entire life and death and knows all the choices you have made and will make in the future. To the best of our knowledge, God’s creations have always had choice built in.
@@rednab2001 people don’t have to willfully sin. Jesus will save you from any addiction or sinful habit, and set you free.
First, John 1:7 “if you walk in the light as he is in a light… The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin.“ If you don’t walk in the light, the blood of Jesus will not cleanse you from all sin!
Jesus, & the Bible are not dumb. He did not die on the cross, so people could keep on sinning…..fyi
The Lord has really been working in my heart lately to extend more grace to Christians who don't believe exactly like me. He's shown me I'm not always as right as I think I am, and maybe there's room for some mystery. I hope and pray that I dont divide over things that aren't worthy of division but also fight for truth where it is warrented.
Tithing is such a privilege to recognize and give thanks to God for His provision. It also enables us to supply our church with the ability to help others.🙌
Goodness! I am very grateful you decided to start this channel and share your thoughts! Your videos are always full of wisdom and balanced reason.
Allen, thanks so much for this video, especially the perspective on deliverance ministry and demonic possession.
I had gotten caught up into this for a brief moment a few weeks ago. After listening to a friend who is into deliverance ministry and listening to a few videos by a popular YT prophetess, I was convinced the mental turmoil I was experiencing was being caused by demonic influence /spirit in my life. I bought this book called Deliverance from demonic Possession and Curses written by a Nigerian Pastor.
I only read about 10-15 pages and immediately was stricken with the worst anxiety I had felt in years. I was borderline hallucinating. I got rid of the book repented.
I prayed and God revealed this very same thing to me. I cannot be possessed with a demonic spirit and also be saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. The two cannot coexist.
We wrestle against principalities but they don’t possess us as believers. I still communicate with my friend but I do realize that that path can be very perilous and can cause some real damage to one’s spiritual life.
I’m glad you got rid of that book. No need for it. Much of what people call a spirit or a demon is not that. It’s our flesh or mental health or something else. With that said, we do wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities and rulers which is demonic influence.
@@thebeatagp amen , I agree! Thank God for the revelation of this! And thank God for this ministry
The Church of God in Christ should not hv been taken as a denomination.
The Church of God in Christ is the Ecclesia/ Church/one Body, many members worldwide, not organizations with slight differences which is the definition of denoms. There should Never be slight differences with the Word of God! Denom organization have rules and regulations that do not align with the Holy Scriptures, which is the Constitution of the Kingdom of Elohim!
We are to be with one accord, unified, Psalm 133, and all the Scriptures.
I needed to hear that. Don’t break fellowship over disagreements. Thank you
Thank you Allen for this. You always speak with humility and so much kindness. You make watching your channel a breeze. I'm learning a lot from you.
This is just fantastic! Heresy, error and disagreement are absolutely very different and everyone must know the difference and aim to be Christlike and remain biblical based in approaching one another in love! I really love this preface! Thank you for not only what you say, but the wisdom the Lord has given you that you share with us and the way in which you do it with love. X
Thank you for talking about the gifts of healing, miracles, and speaking in tongues. Also, about demons, spirits, and tithing. Much of my charismatic upbringing revolved around these things. A lot of legalism and fear.
All of the gifts are still in affect 1 Corinthians 1:7 until Jesus returns
I’ve been a Christian for 40+ years! God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!
I don't agree with (absolutely) everything this pastor says, but I am so glad that he's covering these topics, and opening this dialogue. Thank you!! This is really important.. ♥️
I dis-agree totally.
God is precise.
No lacuna in God's word,it is in black and white. Yes is yes and No is no.Period.
This video is an on-time word for me! Thank you, Pastor Parr, and thank God for you!
❤ Thank you Pastor Allan for this video. Honestly this message has been a blessing to me and my family. We are growing Christians aspiring everyday to uncover more that is in the word of God. This has not only taught me how to have a healthy disagreement but how to also encourage one another even with different perspectives.
This is a much needed topic to address during these times, props to you Allen keep up leading in grace and truth! ❤️
Bro. Allen your teachings are simply AWESOME! Thank you so much for all you do for the entire “Beat” family!🙏🏾🥰💞
Your perspective on Christians and demons was very refreshing and something I whole hardily agree with, as well as Spiritual gifts I agree with. After coming out of the hyper-charismatic movement it's nice to hear someone voice similar thoughts as mine. Thanks, Allen!!
In agreement with everything you pointed out. 🙏so so many believers are being confused and we need pastors to speak on these things more
Thank you, Pastor Allen Parr, you are truly a blessing! I love watching your videos and hearing your teachings! Your ministry is such a blessing. You are one of the few pastors out there that I can trust to teach true biblical teachings. Thank you so much!
Good video, Allen 👏🏽 I especially agree about number 4 concerning music 🎶 Discernment is key in all things. Thanks for reminding us to focus on having unity in the essentials of our faith in Jesus Christ ✨️
Wow I needed to hear this 🥰 Thanks so much for doing this video, truly appreciated!!!! I pretty much stand with you on most of these things.
Love that you had the courage to handle these topics. Love the Essential vs important delineation. Rock on, brother!!
Thank you for doing this video (as always)!
I had a pastor once say "the 5% of things that separate are really not as important as the 95% of things that bind us."
Re: Predestination/Free Will:
I always just believed that we are all presented with the the Truth of Salvation & it was up to each person to accept or despise it. But the Predestination part was that God knew, from the very beginning of time, who would accept his Gift and on them he built His Plans.
Does that make sense? Is it a cop-out or naïve?
That's a good take on it. I'm not 100% sure on how the free will vs. predestination part works, but I do trust it when God says some of saved and some are not... that this is true. And it's not his fault if someone rejects him. It seems to fly in the face of logic, which is pretty much true of many things in the Bible, so why should this one be any different? It flies in the face of logic that God would send his Son to save us in the first place.... so if I'm willing to believe that, then predestination shouldn't be too hard to believe either.
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The best analogy I thought of once was a father who leaves his son a great inheritance (that's the predestination/gift of salvation), but for whatever reason the son either doesn't believe it exists (atheism) or the son refuses it and pridefully goes his own way (all other reasons for rejection). The gift was there, it was given, it was in his name... but it does him no good and he has only himself to blame.
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Not perfect by a long stretch, but as close as I could come up with in my poor attempt to think about it.
@@sidwhiting665 Thank you, Sid. I like your answer, too. It really makes sense to me.
I disagree (respectfully) on both points.
The pastor’s error is putting every issue on the same level. But errors are divided between ‘heresy’ that costs salvation and ‘heterodox’ that doesn’t.
For examples, believing snake handling is heterodox, but believing you have to be symptom-free after being bitten by a water moccasin to be saved is heresy.
Sinners only need one heresy to remain damned, and the other 99% is irrelevant. Focusing on what’s shared is a path to peace, but there’s a reason God calls His Word a Sword.
Second point: When God looked forward across the ages, He saw Romans 3:11 and 1 Corinthians 2:14. Sin destined us to hell; God’s plan re-destines some to heaven. I give Calvinism a score of 65%, but Arminianism gets a score of only 35%.
On your take, I’d almost agree brother. I would say, yes, God knew from the beginning and on them he built his plan. To that, I would add a little more “It’s God” without no less taking away we have to receive. I know it’s somewhat confusing but it’s part of the mystery, which is it’s Him and we have to receive in the context of our lives. Either way, stay blessed brother.
@ricksonora6656 I agree with you and him. Because of cause there is hersey.
That's not the point of this let's use discernment to understand the point of what's being said. So yes your right but we aren't talking about hersey here.
Fantastic topic and content here. Thoroughly enjoyed! Thank you Allen!!!
I feel great! Thank you for clearing these things up.
Love the message Allen way to take on some of the touchier issues. God bless us all! Stay strong Saints and Keep the Armor on!!!
This is a very important message letting us know what our core belief should be and that there are some points where we can agree to disagree.
Thank you so much for this Bro. Allen, this video come just in the nick of time. We (some members of my church) are facing many disagreements for the past six months in the church that I attend and these are some of the issues that we argue about and besides that, we have too many judges but not many peacemakers. So I am grateful that I've come across this video and have shared it on one of my social media platform in the hopes that some of my friends and family can see it and realise that they should not let things of these nature divide us, but instead unite us and draw us closer in fellowship in Christ Jesus.
I always love how balanced and diplomatic you are, Allen. You have a gift of standing firm on truth, and yet being gentle and diplomatic on important issues. Praise God for your ministry to others. I hope your video helps mitigate the extremes that people always tend to swing towards.
Well said and clearly explained. Be encouraged!
Minister Allen, I listened to you on many topics, but at the end of the day, I must seek out the answers for myself through praying and fasting. Sometimes, I think many people are teaching and preaching from head knowledge and not seeking God to lead them by the Holy Spirit. So, therefore, whenever I don't understand something, I ask God for wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. The Holy Spirit will never miss lead me, not saying you are, but you could be wrong on some things.
Amen! The Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth just like Jesus told His disciples in John chapters 14 and 16. I've realized most will not understand one led by the Holy Spirit, even in the church sadly.
He said it's according to the Bible what you mean read the word
Thank you Allen. May your tribe increase and may we all calm down a bit.
This was a much needed conversation!
Wonderful video Brother Allen! It’s so important to have unity in the body of Christ above all, even if we might disagree on some of the fine points!!
Allan, these are great topics and I hope people take heed. The Church is really becoming divided lately. We need to stay in The Word, praying continuously! People need to be more discerning! The first thing that Jesus warned about the last days is to be careful not to be deceived! The evil one wants us all fighting so our witness will not be effective!
He said to earnestly contend for the Faith because in the Last Days the flock will seek to have their ears scratched with gentle but error-filled teaching. Compromise for unity sake is not the command.
I just found your post pastor, and I truly enjoy you and I will continue to subscribe because as a Christian, I truly believe in everything that you have said
Amen, brother! I’m tired of the arguing!!
This is seriously much needed I have had thoughts on all these things and have wrestled with all of these but specifically 7, 2 and 1. Thank you brother Parr for always tackling topics to unite and build up the body!!! ✝️
Thank you so much for making this video, this channel is such a blessing, been watching you for years now!
Loved this so much! Thank you for clearing up a lot of things with the word of God.
Love you sound doctrines videos, great work on this video! God bless you and may God keep using you for his purpose and will! 🙏🏼❤️
I’m a simple man. I see a video about proper doctrine.
& I hit like. Instantly!🎯🙏🏾
Lol!!! Love it!
I loved this video. Sometimes good conversations with fellow Christians can escalate quickly.
Bro, I love this so much. Thank you for fighting for unity
Great video brother Allen! Thank you also for tje different links ro go deeper into these doctrines. And to think all denominations have been established upon this kind of disagreements.
Fantastic video, thank you Allen! I always look forward to learning from the wisdom God has given you.
Why is it fantastic? Why is it wrong to debate Biblical subjects and interpretations? Who decides which subjects are "non-essential" and who decides which interpretation to accept?
@@TodaysDante Allen never claimed we should not debate these things, but rather that we should not argue dvisively about them. Churches so often are split and torn apart by disagreements over non-salvation issues like the ones he mentioned in this video, and that is the point he is making. Non-essential means that your viewpoint on the subject will not affect your salvation. You are still saved through faith even if you believe that Scripture does/does not prohibit women from being teachers in the church, or that listening to certain songs is/is not okay, or that predestination is/is not scriptural. The Bible teaches us what is fundamentally required in order to be saved, and then tells us not to split or be divisive over things that are uncertain, or that are "gray" areas. I hope that makes sense. Peace, brother, and God bless. 🙏
@@krystahamor4790 - LOL - That's exactly what this video is about. Debate IS an argument. And holding different positions IS divisive. If it wasn't, we would all be in ONE Church... the Roman Catholic Church.
Most leaders of these churches are not called by God.
We are eternal secure in God's love.
Very nice job. I concur with much of the views you share and I love how you explain it in a way that I can research the scriptures to increase my knowledge. Thank you Allen. Please keep up the content.
Great thought-provoking video. I pretty much agree with everything Allen brought to the table. On a side note I must say Allen has such a beautiful clear voice and uses it to perfection.
Wonderful, brother! Thank you for this.
I would add one: paedobaptism vs. credobaptism. I’m a Presbyterian (CREC) and I absolutely love my Baptist brothers and sisters and the productive conversations I have with them on the topic.
Thank you Allen, your podcast was very helpful 👍
So much respect for your take on "demon deliverance" ministries. They are so backwards in what they're doing to believers, totally sowing confusion about true salvation. God bless you!!! God bless all fellow Christians! ✝🙏💝!!!
I would totally agree!
I disagree
That's really good Allen how you stated that there is a DIFFERENCE between Heresy, Error, & Disagreement!
I really enjoyed your video. We Christians need to love each other even if we disagree with each other.
Just finished the introduction. Had a quick thought. I like the distinction between heresy, error and disagreement! Good categories. Problem is, we will always disagree on what doctrines "fit" each category lol. What you might consider "disagreement," another might consider "heresy." How do we reconcile these things? I think history shows that we can't and we won't. OK, back to the video!
Confirmation… I am screaming to the top of my lungs….Thank You Jesus.!!!! Brother Allen I couldn’t have said it better than this…, you divided each doctrine issues in three categories…1) Hersey, 2) Error, 3) Disagreement…. This has settle for me a lot of issues I have had with some biblical content with other Christians. We can all love one another and disagree. God didn’t make us robots but gave us free will. There are some non compromising regarding our beliefs which you shared. We do believe Jesus is God and he died on the cross and rose from the dead for our sins…. That’s the gospel.. He is The Only Savior.
Amen!!
Just stumbled across your channel and from what I've seen you appear to be a very wise, mature, balanced, and nuanced thinker and teacher of God's word.
I find you so refreshing. You are so atuned to what I believe and just wish there were more pastors out there like you.
What a powerful content you have made. Awesome and Praised The Lord.
Why do people (including Allen in this video) always use the term “senior pastor” but almost never talk about eldership in the context of female leadership in the church? As far as I can see biblically, women can have any position in the church except elder (and the assumption would be that the “senior pastor” would also be an elder).
100% I kinda cringe when I hear the term senior pastor perhaps he should've just clarified what that meant.
@@wayneeby7187 with all due respect brother elder cannot equal board member. Board member is a concept from the corporate or business world. Elder is a biblical term and the qualifications are described in 1 Timothy 3:1-7, Titus 1:5-9
@@AntGray13 you are right. I confused titles.
This!
Through "The Beat" you are my pastor, thank you!
Thank so much for bringing clarity to our differences in these matters. Differences is not hearsy in most of our Christian disagreements. God’s tent of Truth can handle our differences. Thanks so much
I do think the issue of women pastor is one of the more important issues. We can disagree over free will and baptism without leading the church into sin, as both sides of these arguments have convincing scriptural arguments and historical precedent. The Church had the same position on women pastors for 95% of church history and the scriptures are clear here, going against scripture in this issue leads the church into more than just difference in interpretation, but into the Church not operating as God designed it. True believers can believe women can be pastors and be saved, but the Word is clear how the Church is to function and we have to stand on God’s Word.
There is no scriptural case against baptism. Christ stated multiple times in very clear terms that baptism is a must(Jhn 3, Matt. 28). Paul even states in Heb. 6:1-2 that baptism is a basic tenet of biblical Christianity. The ppl who argue against baptism do so because they are dishonest ppl. Christ said it must be done, the apostles said it must be done, therefore it must be done.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 what I meant was modes of baptism, such as immersion or sprinkling. We all can agree baptism is a must. I meant that while different positions on this issue have convincing biblical arguments, those who support women pastors do not
I am kind of unsure about the worship thing. I started listening to elevations sermons after a long time of listening to their songs. At first I agreed with what I heard because I had never encountered wrong teaching before. But after a while I realised that some things don’t add up, so I started reading along in my bible and fact-checking with it. This experience led me to realise that elevation church’s teachings are wrong and I started researching more about that topic which also led to churches like you said - hill song, bethel etc.
BUT this made me start to be way more discerning when it comes to any sermon or teaching and I started my general bible-reading journey. So it definitely had a big positive impact on my life and my relationship with God after all.
I still listen to and sing many of their songs (I’m a worship singer) because they have a lot of biblical truths in them but I am not sure if that’s the correct approach because there is no guarantee that every person in the congregation who looks at those churches will be able to discern what’s right and what isn’t.
Thank you Pastor Allen! These are issues that have divided and closed many churches. I am so thankful for each one of the issues you addressed. I have wrestled with each one. My church does the "worship" music instesd of the hymns or a choir. Thank you SO much for addressing the PreTrib, Midtrib or post trib views! I agree with you and support PreTrib. This video came on as soon as I turned on my phone today! Perfect timing!
God wants all men to be saved first Timothy 2:4, second peter 3:9!
God, predestines groups or plurals only, never individuals. Ephesians 1 -2 points: “ us and we” are pre-destined never “you and I“! And 11 times in 11 verses from 3-14 you have to remain “in Christ“ (in him, in whom) to be predestined!
Romans 9:1-3 Paul is talking about the nation of Israel, all the way to the end of chapter 11 ! So, “Jacob, I loved, Esau I hated“ is genesis 25:23 “there are two nations in your womb“! It’s talking about ‘Nations,’ not individuals in the whole context of those three chapters! Stop taking it out of context, along with Ephesians 1!
Of course, we have the story of Jacob and Esau and how Esau despised his birthright !
So God truly does love all people, he truly did make hell for the devil and his angels just as Matthew 25:41 says !
Even the 42 youths, mauled by the 2 bears, was because they mocked Elijah‘s rapture, a.k.a. the resurrection , they were saying “go on up Baldy “ ; and ALL their prophets just recently Were killed by Elijah and they should’ve known to stop worshiping Baal! Bethel was the headquarters of Baal worship, where this took place! 490 priests got killed by Elijah, There was no Priests around,; should’ve been a gigantic clue.
So God never arbitrarily and haphazardly deals with any human being ! His love cannot be measured says Romans 8!
But if you’re a Calvinists it’s “his love cannot be measured , (Wink, wink)“!
Come out of the false belief system of Calvinism ! Now you have no excuse because you cannot out argue this, let’s hear you try!
Read Matthew 25 the parable of the Calvinists, a.k.a. talents ! Where the guy buried his talent calling God,- somebody who doesn’t judge rightly & he was thrown into hell as a result! He had the wrong view of God, & So Will a Calvinist, they’ll have a callous view of God & The love of Christs sacrificial death on the cross!
Excellent analyses! I love the indepth research and stance on issues such as modern Christian music and tithing. We should discuss further (not argue😊) on the predestination matter. Keep doing God's work as you know best, I hope to meet you in person someday!❤
Thank you Pastor Allen, I was going to a church that I honestly loved and held dear, but the more I read the word of God the more I would see and hear things that made me question. During tithing they would read the scriptures you mentioned all the time. I always felt guilted. And now I go to another church where he says we don’t take offering you give what you want to give that’s between you and God. Thank you for giving these prospectives.
When it comes to tithing or grace-giving, are you talking about only giving at church, or is giving outside of a church environment included as well? Maybe a dumb question, but I'm genuinely curious. I watched that part several times and couldn't really determine if it was only a church thing or anytime/anywhere kind of thing.
You should give as the Holy Spirit leads you to give whether in the church or outside the church. Giving directly to a family or organization that is in need of help, and as you are being led to do so, I believe is every bit as “spiritual” as dropping money into the church coffers. The key is to be obedient to the spirit.
I really appreciated this open dialogue. I have always felt overwhelmed by these conversations because I have honestly never seen a viewpoint that says it’s okay to disagree. I have witnessed many heated conversations centered around these topics. It has made me fearful to share my own viewpoint because the way it’s alway been presented is you either have the “right” opinion or the “wrong” opinion. I never truly felt right about it, but I still consider myself a younger Christian so my thought process was, who am I to judge these people who have many more years of walking with Christ than me. I now realize that was not the best viewpoint of mine. My biggest take away was basically I need to know what I believe and be able to back it up with scripture, not logic and opinion. I am so thankful I stumbled across this video. It has made me feel much better. I am honestly undecided on some of the topics, I can see both or all 3 sides on a lot of these topics. But at the end of the day, the biggest thing that matters is that I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and strive to live the life He has blessed me with for Him everyday. Thank you for sharing! ❤️
Thanks for this Allen. Much appreciated your thoughts and convictions on these topics. I do agree with you with each one…. At the end celebrate with those whose gospel is spot on and knowing the Word of God is inerrant. A different gospel, is a real problem. God bless 💓🙏🏻
I don’t understand why “Christians” believe they can pick and choose with GOD’S Word. You know who else did that? Satan…yeah…memba him? God gave us a wonderful prescription to live by…we just have to put in the work and quit trying to be God’s God. Sending Love and Prayers for all!
People are worried about song lyrics getting them trapped up but ignore substance abuse, physical abuse, etc.....
I'm glad to see you are back!
Another great video, Brother Allen. I mostly agree with you on these things. My views on these issues: 7 (women pastors): my view is between the first and second position you mentioned, closer to the first one. I'm a complimentarian. I agree with the view you shared as your own on this. 6 (spiritual gifts): I am a continuationist (definitely not charismatic). I don't believe First Corinthians 13 is strong enough teaching about ceassationism. I would question the use of some of these gifts today, but if they are used in a biblical way, I wouldn't question it. I'm open but cautious. I don't believe we can limit how God might want to work, as long as it is done biblically. I have found that ceassationists I have known usually don't just limit tongues and miracles (etc.), but they go on to limit the Holy Spirit in every area, and live in a very one-dimensional Christian life, and don't tend to believe God works in our lives at all. 5 (can a Christian be indwelt by a demon?): I believe a Christian can be oppressed, but not indwelt by a demon. I totally agree with what you said about how a Christian cannot be possessed. I find a lot of people who are into deliverance stuff consider things demons that are just normal things in life. 4 (modern Christian music): If music glorifies God, I think it is okay to listen to it., regardless of who wrote it. I recently found a Christian song with beautiful, biblical lyrics. After I had listened to it for a while, I found it it was written by a Mormon (obviously not Christian). I still like the words, because I interpret them from a biblical view. I can listen to it and think of the truth of what the Bible teaches about it. Taken at face value, it is Christian, so that's how I interpret it (though now that I know it is Mormon, I wouldn't recommend it to others). 3 (Tithing): I believe tithing is an Old Testament teaching, and that the new covenant is "God loves a cheerful giver." (Second Corinthians 9:6-7). I find a lot of Bible teachers (like yourself) teach this position, but a lot of pastors and church staff tend to be more rigid on the tithe. Their paycheck may depend on it, which is a conflict of interest... 2 (eschatology): I'm pre-trib. In fact (funny story), when I got my drivers license as a teenager in the 90s, I was really scared if an unsaved friend needed a ride home from school, because I was scared the Raputre might happen while I was at the wheel, and I would disappear and go to Heaven, and the car would crash, and my unsaved friend would die and go to hell, and not have a chance to get saved during the tribulation. I would silently beg God told hold off until I got my friend home. I laugh about that now, though I love how I was so focused on the imminence of the Rapture. My pastor growing up really drillsed this into us, which was why it was so much on my mind right then. 1 (predestination/free will): I believe both are different sides of the same coin. One is looking at it from God's view and one is looking at it from our view. I believe in election and eternal security, but in my witnessing, I focus on man's responsibility, because that's all we can do.
No worries the rapture is not Biblical.
It's funny because I had a bad experience with a teaching one time and became the false prophet Rambo as a result 😅... Jesus quickly corrected me on that. Thanks for the clarification Sir Allen!
Thank you for describing heresy, error and disagreement.
Hey Allen, when you described your position on predestination and free will, your self description, your a calvinist! Welcome to the club!!
As a woman I approve this message! Haha but seriously I agree with all of it . We have to be careful though not to let compromise in so I am careful about the music . Love those hymns 😊 no where in the New Testament does Jesus tell us to tithe but we are to give cheerfully and what we decide and I believe in giving sacrificially! I always thought it was strange that we don’t follow any of the old testament laws, except tithing is always preached about
If you tithe you are under the law & therefore under a curse. You may not think it because God’s mercy is so great, but don’t let that fool you. A little leaven will leaven the whole lump. Anything that causes you to believe “God is blessing me because of ME” is making void the work of Jesus Christ. I much prefer being under GRACE & never boasting in ANYTHING but the grace of God via Jesus my Lord. I give because God HAS blessed me. I do not give TO BE blessed.
Brother Parr, here’s the Biblical position on Spiritual Gifts. All of the gifts are still in operation today. As you said, God does NOT change. However, all of the spiritual gifts are not acts that people just carry around. The Bible is clear in saying that these gifts are given as the Spirit gives them. You see healing as the Spirit heals. You see tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. We don’t carry these gifts around. God uses us in these gift when he sees fit. Hopefully this makes sense.
I agree 100%
Watch his more recent video about tongues.
The main defense for the continuationist perspective is that God is unchanging. That fact doesn’t really make sense, as God has changed in some ways many times.
God did not release the Holy Spirit onto the earth until Pentecost. Is that a change?
God also did not even place these gifts into existence until after Jesus’ death. Is that a change?
Jesus was in Heaven at the right hand of God, and transformed himself into a human as a sacrifice for our sins. Is that a change?
The answer to all is yes; God changes through progression. The fundamentals of God cannot logistically change. He is the standard, He is all that is good, He is the master of all. But He certainly can progress the earth and all mechanisms in it to further His creation and His church.
The spiritual gifts were used as signs of authority before we had the completed scriptures. The church is not in its infancy anymore. God bless
@MasonStPeter-oe8tu Great points! Thats such a misquoted attribute.
@@MasonStPeter-oe8tuWhen we say that God doesn't change, we mean that God HIMSELF doesn't change. When God acts upon the world, that is not God changing His nature, but simply adding, taking away from, or changing His creation.
In addition, Jesus always was and did not TRANSFORM into a man, but took on a Human nature IN ADDITION to His Divine nature. That is not to say that He changed, but rather became God incarnate. Jesus, though, always existed and has never changed (And this is why he shows up earlier in the Bible).
That being said, since scripture does not speak about the cessation of gifts, I do not believe that they have ceased.
Thank you for addressing these issues. I remember years ago we had deliverance services and it seemed the same "christians" were in the deliverance line week after week after week. Finally decided...something just ain't right about this!!! 😞
Man brother I just started researching you. I was made aware you will be a speaker for Men of Iron in Brownwood, Texas April 5-6 2024. I will be with the Worship Band playing Bass. I am so anxious to meet you! Your practical teaching and common sense explanations are changing me!! Im "older" and thought i "Got IT"! but your illustrations and Explanations are absolutely life giving! You are motivating me to be a better "Man" for Christ. Im truly truly grateful for you and your ministry.
Note: I think I have only commented online to maybe two youtube channels in Total! So, this isn't like some random quick statement made by a creepy, weird and Disconnected Dude but is rather a very sincere compliment to encourage you (by a Creepy, Weird, and a "little" Disconnected Dude). I just prayed for your well being and your household that love and kindness are present wherever you are and that Gods glory be upon you and your ministry. Thank you Brother
P.S. I do not do social media. My wife says I cant handle it! so maybe i could have shared this some other way but when Im feeling led. I just follow!
Hi Allen! After YEARS of watching your RUclips content, I'm sad to say that this is my FIRST EVER comment on any of your videos. With that said, I'll say as an overall viewer, your videos have been very beneficial to my growth in terms of life and theology. I may not agree with every single thing, but we are brothers in the faith nonetheless and I appreciate your faithfulness to consistent posting. Now, here's just another perspective based on this video overall:
I don't think the 'arguments' over these 7 controversial topics/doctrines will cease for one GOOD reason. There are still souls being added to the Church daily. There will always be baby Christians who have questions and they're learning. As believers, we have a responsibility to make new believers aware of these 7 things. I didn't say teach them to believe what we believe, but simply to make them aware of the many different positions according to these doctrines. Inevitably, this would invite more questions and cause them to do more research. I think this is actually a good thing. As long as we're not breeding heretics, then I think there is a healthy form of debate that can lead to fruitful living at the end of the day.
Great video! I'm just giving this perspective. Thanks so much and everyone be blessed!