As a newbie to DCS, thank you for these sources of wisdom. They’re well written, well presented, and entertaining. If you offered a course I’d happily pay for it.
This is going to be interesting! One question, if the wingman's job is to clear the tail and protect Lead, who is watching out for the wingman? Or maybe that will become more clear after a few more episodes of this ACM series?
If you're talking about Fighting Wing then it's something I'm wondering myself (probably why that doctrine went away). But with the two newer doctrines the Support Fighter is actually in a much better position to keep an eye out and SHOULD be circling around making it harder to get in a sneak attack. But at the very end of the video you can see an example of the fight going from the merge to a kill in just 13 seconds. In that case there simply isn't time for another bandit to sneak in.
@@TheOpsCenterByMikeSolyom Yes, I was unclear but I was thinking about the "Fighting Wing". I always thought that it might be good enough for a fifty hour WWI pilot fresh on the western front but it never seemed like a viable doctrine in the large furballs of WWII. On the other hand maybe simple is better in those cases and those large engagements of WWII are probably a thing in the long distant past now.
Nobody is watching for the wingman in practice when the lead plane is engaged (The lead has to focus 100% on the bandit). That is why finishing the fight as soon as possible is so important. There is not such thing as complete situational awareness. Those aspects in the game are very easy to learn but very difficult to master. To counter that problem the main unit is not 1 wing but 2 wings (4 planes). When one wing is engaged the second wing is providing cover for the first. It is awesome to play in a section of 2 wings, the degree of security increases exponentially. But it is hard to get 4 trained guys flying together following proper procedure and flight discipline. In practice when you have limited time to play the game it takes a lot of your gaming time to train people doing that. And even if you do there is no guarantee they will show up and play with you consistenlty.
Nobody uses fighting wing in ACM-Line of breast is used initially - gives visibility of both fighters 6. In the merge it breaks out into engaged and supporting fighter . Pre merge its LOB.
By boxing in a bandit with spread LOB it forces the bandit to “pick a side”, it’s very fluid in terms of who becomes the “engaged fighter”. From there it involves mutual visual support and good comms - good BFM
Im also a DCS world fan. On another note or paragraph, Is it classified, are the chemtrails real? I have been trying to forget this footage for over a decade, seems unreal some of the photos, to only say we see just contrails, maybe is not totally true? Not sure what to believe if they do mess with the weather, and how much. Im still skeptical about what it is after seeing so many photos over the years. Any thoughts? Ill see you guys in the my Harrier above ~🇺🇲☁️.
Nice Video, I enjoyed how you provided context to past TTPs. This is one of my favorite topics and It’s definitely rewarding to see the outcome of good contracts and training. I am looking forward to the rest of your videos.
Later on in this series I'll be sharing a scripted mission that will let you spawn AI bandits so you can see ACM for yourself. Unfortunately, my schedule is pretty tight, so I thought making these videos (and scripted missions) would be the next best thing to me being there.
Hi Solley. I just want to clarify something about fighting wing. You said that Lead can't use max throttle because that doesn't leave the wingman any leeway to catch up. That is true when flying a straight flight path, but when maneuvering the wingman doesn't need a power advantage and is expected to use angular cutoff to maintain position parameters. No need for an unwanted handicap there.
Thanks, Gort. I agree with you 100% when we're talking about formation flight. However, this was actually something Shaw talked about in the book. After filming those scenes with the P-51s and the 109 I kind of agree with him. It's a lot harder to keep up with Lead during a dogfight than in out-of-combat flight. But thankfully we don't use FW as a TTP today so it's not really an issue.
@@TheOpsCenterByMikeSolyom I think Shaw was referring to during extensions and zooms, which are essentially a straight line. As long as the leader is in a turn the wingman doesn't need a thrust advantage to stay with him.
As a newbie to DCS, thank you for these sources of wisdom. They’re well written, well presented, and entertaining. If you offered a course I’d happily pay for it.
This is going to be interesting! One question, if the wingman's job is to clear the tail and protect Lead, who is watching out for the wingman? Or maybe that will become more clear after a few more episodes of this ACM series?
If you're talking about Fighting Wing then it's something I'm wondering myself (probably why that doctrine went away). But with the two newer doctrines the Support Fighter is actually in a much better position to keep an eye out and SHOULD be circling around making it harder to get in a sneak attack.
But at the very end of the video you can see an example of the fight going from the merge to a kill in just 13 seconds. In that case there simply isn't time for another bandit to sneak in.
@@TheOpsCenterByMikeSolyom Yes, I was unclear but I was thinking about the "Fighting Wing". I always thought that it might be good enough for a fifty hour WWI pilot fresh on the western front but it never seemed like a viable doctrine in the large furballs of WWII. On the other hand maybe simple is better in those cases and those large engagements of WWII are probably a thing in the long distant past now.
Nobody is watching for the wingman in practice when the lead plane is engaged (The lead has to focus 100% on the bandit). That is why finishing the fight as soon as possible is so important. There is not such thing as complete situational awareness. Those aspects in the game are very easy to learn but very difficult to master.
To counter that problem the main unit is not 1 wing but 2 wings (4 planes). When one wing is engaged the second wing is providing cover for the first. It is awesome to play in a section of 2 wings, the degree of security increases exponentially. But it is hard to get 4 trained guys flying together following proper procedure and flight discipline.
In practice when you have limited time to play the game it takes a lot of your gaming time to train people doing that. And even if you do there is no guarantee they will show up and play with you consistenlty.
Nobody uses fighting wing in ACM-Line of breast is used initially - gives visibility of both fighters 6. In the merge it breaks out into engaged and supporting fighter . Pre merge its LOB.
By boxing in a bandit with spread LOB it forces the bandit to “pick a side”, it’s very fluid in terms of who becomes the “engaged fighter”. From there it involves mutual visual support and good comms - good BFM
Looking forward to this series, your BFM videos were excellent!
Im also a DCS world fan. On another note or paragraph, Is it classified, are the chemtrails real? I have been trying to forget this footage for over a decade, seems unreal some of the photos, to only say we see just contrails, maybe is not totally true? Not sure what to believe if they do mess with the weather, and how much. Im still skeptical about what it is after seeing so many photos over the years. Any thoughts? Ill see you guys in the my Harrier above ~🇺🇲☁️.
Thanks, Mike. Really enjoying your videos - I'm slowly working my way through all of them. Great videos!
Nice Video, I enjoyed how you provided context to past TTPs. This is one of my favorite topics and It’s definitely rewarding to see the outcome of good contracts and training. I am looking forward to the rest of your videos.
Thanks. I thought you did a great job with the ACM video on your channel.
very nice we have a little group using these trainings to improve!
great video!!!!!! awaiting for the next one!!!!!!. Are you at discord? any chance to see that dcs trainings life?
Later on in this series I'll be sharing a scripted mission that will let you spawn AI bandits so you can see ACM for yourself. Unfortunately, my schedule is pretty tight, so I thought making these videos (and scripted missions) would be the next best thing to me being there.
My favorite channel is back!
Great stuff as always
Thanks again!
These videos are awesome!
Thank you, Mike
This is so so good
Excellent intro ‘clock is running’ look forward to following along :)
Thanks, looking for the next part.
Hi Solley. I just want to clarify something about fighting wing. You said that Lead can't use max throttle because that doesn't leave the wingman any leeway to catch up. That is true when flying a straight flight path, but when maneuvering the wingman doesn't need a power advantage and is expected to use angular cutoff to maintain position parameters. No need for an unwanted handicap there.
Thanks, Gort. I agree with you 100% when we're talking about formation flight. However, this was actually something Shaw talked about in the book. After filming those scenes with the P-51s and the 109 I kind of agree with him. It's a lot harder to keep up with Lead during a dogfight than in out-of-combat flight. But thankfully we don't use FW as a TTP today so it's not really an issue.
@@TheOpsCenterByMikeSolyom I think Shaw was referring to during extensions and zooms, which are essentially a straight line. As long as the leader is in a turn the wingman doesn't need a thrust advantage to stay with him.
awesome job 👍