Keepsake Tier List for Hades 2! | Haelian
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- Mild update from 6/4 patch: Selene's keepsake got buffed to +5 Paths of Stars, probably around the same tier for me.
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00:00 Intro
00:22 Silver Wheel
01:40 Knuckle Bones
02:47 Luckier Tooth
03:55 Ghost Onion
04:49 Evil Eye
06:40 Engraved Pin
07:55 Discordant Bell
09:40 Gold Purse
10:36 Metallic Droplet
11:45 White Antler
13:41 Moon Beam
15:12 God Keepsakes
17:18 Lion Fang
18:17 Blackened Fleece
19:17 Crystal Figurine
20:57 Silken Sash
22:27 Aromatic Phial
24:17 Concave Stone
25:17 Experimental Hammer
26:50 Transcendent Embryo
28:08 Results!
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the best part of knuckle bones is hearing odysseus' laugh when the boss takes the damage from it
Just like the best part of taking Aromatic Phial is hearing "Hey, Laurel"
@@jackalvonstone250 i love that the keepsakes have voice lines when you equip them, it's such a nice touch. lorewise, it could be explained by melinoe being a witch, so she can connect with the keepsake enough to hear the person it's from :)
@jackalvonstone250 He's the best character hands down
15% is also pretty good in one of your first chrono run. B tier is a good rating
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Of course the update that adds visuals for the keepsakes drops 24 hours after this video 😂 masterful gambit, Supergiant sir
Yeah came here to say exactly same thing xdd
Silver Wheel, Evil
Eye and Ghost Onion are early game keepsakes that are used when you don’t have Arkane cards to give you rerolls to get that Magick regen boon, or boost your health regen, or damage, or magick regen. There’s a reason they are available almost immediately when you start getting nectars. I know for a fact that I personally used Ghost Onion a lot in my first like 5-10 runs. And Evil Eye certainly helped me get my first Cerberus clear and then my first Chronos clear, and I think that’s exactly their purpose.
Ghost Onion helped extend my initial forays into Greece by multiple chambers.
Exactly. Especially the onion, you used it in your first 5 nights then it get outperformed by new arcana and other keepsakes
Onion and luckier tooth are my only 3 star keepsakes so far, they're just so good for early game
I still pick up wheel for a region if my mana isn't keeping up. it doesn't matter that it's not enough for the whole game, it's enough to get through a region and find a regen boon, then you take it off. more of a run fixer than a win more trinket
I LOVED onion for a while. I don't know that I'll ever equip it again
One of the worst things about silver wheel is that it does not regen magic if you haven't used magic, so if you have that one fear where you don't have any magic (vow of panic?) this keepsake just does nothing. Another bad thing about it is that if you do have magic regen going on, maybe through the unseen, maybe an arcana, and you use silver wheel it'd almost overtake the magic regen and get used up way earlier than you'd think, having all that magic regen. So even in niche scenarios where you'd think it'd be great, it isn't, which is particularly disappointing.
Actually didn't know this
@@DanBurtonCodes That or it naturally decreases magic use by a percentage amount
I discovered this when putting on Fear levels, lol. TIL.
I desperately needed magic regen because of that fear option and because my RNG was so shit I just did not get offered magic regen almost whole run, so I took it in Fields only to find out it did absolutely nothing for me.
Skill issue, it is actually very easy to take 250 damage to use blackened fleece
Luckier Tooth deserves better. Its easily an A tier. Once you get REALLY good at the game, yeah you dont use it as much. But for most players imo its used on every run as the last keepsake you put on.
luckier tooth should be S tier for the simple fact that it is a literal godsend in the beginning of the game. most players that have played hades will grab that keepsake immediately and then boom you already have another life. it's by far the most impactful early game keepsake and high fear keepsake (besides artemis) for that extra cushion for granddad
1000% agree. Incredible early game utility and will probably help a lot of players get their first night clear.
I found myself using the Pin more often after a while. Particularly when using any Fear that reduces healing received.
@@Haelian I think the pin just outclasses it as damage builds are so good, but the tooth is still great. I’d take it over any of the boons you put in the A tier that’s for sure.
its the best keepsake early game but then lose value when you get tons of helping stuff between biomes (fountain, better arcanas, etc)
i was over 100 hours in when i realized that there are two N keepsakes
Wait why are there two
That was true in tech test.
@@Ravi9A ran out of letters :(
It took into your comment for me to notice
The delayed damage on bosses is because they won't want it to be consumed by the blue heart shields. Would be lame as hell to equip a trinket to do a grand total of zero damage. Probably why the Hades Boon against Chronos also has delayed damage
Even if you don't remove shields from the boss, I believe Knuckle Bones and the Hades boon still deal direct damage. They aren't "hits" so they wouldn't need to interact with the shield.
@@redvenomwebhades’ boon got completely blocked by the blue heart shield in my run, so it can happen, unfortunately. Dunno about the knuckle but suspect it’s the same
AHHH
Nothing better than having Echo offering me the Hestia/Apollo duo in Tartarus, putting me at 60 health.
I'm not sure how random Echo's keepsake really is. Every time I have used it, it has always given me the highest quality remaining boon.
Also in regards to the Hestia/Apollo duo. Getting this would be the only time I would consider using the Artemis keepsake. Chronos still going to one shot you though, so nah, still going to avoid both of these like the plague.
It's the one where you Regen fast the health? In that case I won thanks to that basically xD
I had like 5/10 hp left the first time I got it (I said "fuck it, even if I lose at least I've got the duo for the prophecy) and then I got lucky to get "+hp for every seed" and had the shovel equipped xD plus got every centaur hearth I could.
Ended the run with like 200 hp and was basically immortal
The first time I got that duo boon, I didn’t read it carefully enough, took it and ended up with 3hp or something, did not last long after that and it was a good run too
That boon is very hit and miss. If you’re lucky, it’ll make you a true tank. If you’re unlucky, you’ll die a quick, embarrassing death.
How do you even get Echo's keepsake? I've never been able to offer her gifts (same with Heracles).
I wonder if Scelly likes Melenoe more then zag, and that’s why he gave her the luckier tooth
Maybe he wanted to keep the Luckier tooth for himself but cus he already gave Zag the lucky tooth he only had Luckier to give Mel
the dialogue you get from him when he mentions it implies that it’s the same tooth as the first one, he just renamed it
@@themawofacamar when/how did he get it back from zagreus?
That is a theme. Melinoë is liked a lot more than Zagreus by a few characters, with the notable exception of Cerby
@@daandepauw5252 at the same time he escaped the house of hades, i'd presume, since he was always in the courtyard with all the keepsakes he could've easily nicked it. much more interesting is how he got out in the first place, since hecate distinctly did Not mention getting him out of there
aromatic phial is *so* consistent for me that when i go back and play hades, i'm sad that there's nothing equivilent. in hades 2, it is soooo easy to get just one common boon you want in erebus. make sure you have the arcana that gives you a 20% chance for an epic and have a bunch of rolls and nearly every single time you will get what you want or good enough to make heroic. probably my most abused and favorite keepsake
*hey laurel*
I actually did not understand at first what the Circe's keepsake did and got Judgement on the first try. It was quite a fun run, but as you said is not ver likely to occur again soon.
same lol
I think the evil eye is not meant to be set up, it's supposed to just give you a boost if you're having difficulty with a boss, but you can make it to them fairly easily, that way it's accidentally set up whenever you reach the final area.
doesn't change the fact it's bad , there's pretty much no reason to ever take it over any of the other offensive keepsakes :/
@@dratini4036 After watching the whole video, i realized that some other boons have way stronger effects i didn't realize could be exploited in an unique strong way, but the fact that he put it right beside discordant bell is kinda beans.
@@Edumax1mus yeah he might've been a little harsh, but i don't necessarily disagree with him considering it only works on one boss whereas discordant bell works at all times. I think they're going to need to bump up the bonus dmg, or make it so you also take less dmg for it to be in contention. But then i guess it would make knuckle bones redundant. And actually knuckle bones should definitely be lower than B if evil eye is in D
@@dratini4036 Well at least knuckle bones works on every boss + damage reduction, if evil eye gets damage reduction there would still be cases where you take knuckle bones since evil eye will only help you on one enemy with a bigger boost whereas knuckle procs on everyone even if the boost is smaller
i agree with this! at some point I'm literally not dying to anything except accidents and bosses, great to get a passive 30% against Eris, say. Only person I've consistently fallen to at this point.
The thumbnail is hilarious omg
The Experimental Hammer is also great because if you put it on at the start of Mourning Fields, even if you get a hammer that doesn't work for your build it removes that hammer from the pool, so when you get the hammer from the fields you have a higher chance of seeing a hammer for your build. Not a major thing, but nice that there is upside even if it hits a 'bad' hammer for you.
Isn't it a double-edged sword?
Well, it can do the opposite and give you an OP hammer so you can't get it permanently, and then you lose it in tartarus and your dps flops for chronos. But I still take it every f. time lol.
@@GoXDS Ah, it gives 20. Mine is just below rank 3 and gives a hammer for 15 encounters. At 20 I reckon I'd last for the rest of the run.
I'm willing to bet the reason why Knuckle Bones doesn't trigger automatically is to avoid it from going to waste if you have the 1/2 extra hearts vow on.
Close to every keepsake have their value in certain run or situation. Lion Fang isnt that great in the underworld but is kind of fun for one of first run in the surface
one thing that I've found with the experimental hammer is that if you use an anvil, there's a chance that it will remove the experimental hammer and give you two additional hammer. When I found that out i ended my run with 4 hammers active
Cool I was wondering if that would work. You can use echo to sometimes copy your hammer boon if things line up (always collect the hammer last if you are in a multi boon room)
And then you have 5 hammers max.
5 hammers feels like something from modded hades lol
"Taking 250 damage on a run is kinda hard" Speak for yourself I'm usually there before fields of mourning & it's probably my most used offensive keepsake. Imo evil eye and ghost onion are also good for casual players
I'm always going to have a soft spot for Evil Eye since it contributed to my first win against Chronos, after throwing myself at him a bunch of times but never quite winning it felt very satisfying to have that finally come through.
White Antler really does just remind me of Fury of the Fallen in Hollow Knight, love those kinds of high risk high reward mechanics
On Hecate's keepsake - it has its place, but it's seldom needed. I had an absolutely busted dagger omega special build that, due to running on high fear (16 at the time) I ended up low on magick (due to the magick priming on boon rarity fear) and on magick regen (due to the fear that locks other options). Going on Tartarus, the extra magick regen was very much needed and welcome, and helped me get the fastest chronos win yet.
I'd rate it at C, if only because that combo of fears can create scenarios where the regen is needed.
EDIT: Just saw that you bumped it up to C later on the vid lol
I find the take on Moroes's pin interesting because I took one look at it and wrote it off as terrible. What tends to kill me is either swarms of enemies in the fields or Chronos so it's unlikely I find myself in situations where the pin really saves me. Intentionally triggering it when there's few enemies left is interesting and something I never thought to do but I'd never feel confident I'm on the last enemies to do that.
Ones that decay or have a time limit I find very offputting because I hate the idea that I'm getting weaker over time. Even if I can make that last a good stretch that still feels undesirable to me. I never want to be getting weaker over time.
I tried the Antler for a while too since it was the first keepsake I got and it was too early for me to build specifically for that and I take way too much damage against Chronos to ever build for it long term.
I find overall there's a lot more interesting keepsakes this time but only slightly more that I actually want to use. In both games I like the god keepsakes and the tooth and in Hades 1 the only other ones I liked after that were Hermes and the Acorn while in Hades 2 I also use Chaos, Knuckle Bones, Phial, and Sash. I find the other keepsakes interesting but I'd rather not incur the risk that comes with them accidentally shutting off what I'm trying to do or getting weaker over time
I love that 1 day after this was uploaded all the keepsakes got art
The pain of putting all of the text on them myself...
The thing I'm obsessing over at the moment is predicting new characters by where they'll slot into the keepsake cabinet.
So if we get Athena, Ares, and Dio making their return as full gods, the middle row would literally be the god tier. The layout just makes this seem the most probable outcome. Which would mean we'd be getting another 30 dual boons btw!
The top row feels complete as is, the first 7 are Crossroads compadres, and the next 4 are your closest allies.
So then Heracles, Medea, Circe would shift down to the bottom row, which would still have 3 potential open slots. Currently there are two roaming surface allies (Icarus & Heracles) and one slot for a stationary ally for each biome except Tartarus and the two upcoming ones. Hades already has a heart path laid out in the Book of Shadows, so let's assume we'll get a keepsake from him eventually with a father/daughter bonding storyline attached. That means we can expect 2 more stationary allies, one per new biome. But we have 3 unaccounted-for names in the weapons aspects (who as per dialog with Hecate are related to Mel's quest): Pan, Momus & Eos, so they are definitely prime candidates. That would fill out the bottom row, plus Chaos at the end, which seems appropriate.
I'm actually not so sure we're getting Athena/Ares/Dionysus back. Apollo already feels like a very intentional replacement for Athena, still making your run broadly safer but not providing as much safety as Athena did. And in general, adding new gods to Hades is a bit tough for game feel/balancing, because of how Boons work and interact with each other. 3 more regular gods in the pool would require designing *27* new Duo boons, nearly doubling the number of Duos in the game.
I want new gods/boons, but it seems like NPC boons and etc are the approach Supergiant are leaning towards, rather than too many new gods.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 Devs have confirmed that all gods are going to be in the game. Maybe at 1.0, maybe earlier, maybe they'll work like Artemis (I doubt it, but there's a chance) but all the gods will *_definitely_* be in the game.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 They're dropping an awful lot of in-game hints regarding their whereabouts for them not to be in the game though:
- Zeus mentions that he's sent some of his children down from Olympus to fight in the battle
- Hephaestus drops that Athena's been testing his new weapons
- Eris gushes that Ares is having the time of his life
- I think Hestia (or Aphrodite?) tells Mel that Dionysus is really down due to the sudden lack of nectar on Olympus
- ... Many more such cases - just today I had Zeus wonder out loud what the other gods are up to. There are so many wink-wink, nudge-nudge teases being bandied about.
Also, Supergiant have always maintained during the entire development that all the Olympians would be back, ir'd be weird of them to change their minds now. They can have completely different boon sets, there's no reason to believe they're out of the picture just because someone else has taken on a functionally similar role. All the other Hades I gods so far have vastly different boons to last time. Lots of potential for new synergies there.
@@tominator80 Ah okay, I haven't followed development very closely so wasn't aware of that. I still think it's more realistic for most of them to be implemented on a more NPC-esque basis, or otherwise being unique like how Hermes works.
@@darthvaderreviews6926 on the steam page it advertises that there will be “over a dozen olympians” and adding the missing three would put it at exactly 13, so I’d say it’s very likely they will be added.
My favorite is definitely the experimental hammer. If you don’t get a good hammer than just put it on in Tartarus
If only it rolled based on aspect you use
Hammer can occasionally ruin your build though. For example on staff you can run an Omega attack build and there's a hammer that disable your omega attack entirely. A certain skull build also gets screwed over if you get the misaligned hammers.
Honestly build is a lot more specific compared to Hades 1 so most of the time it just doesn't do anything unless you have nothing else to put on and really want to gamble.
You can actually put it on in mourning fields and it can comfortably last you until chronos if you have it at rank 3
It’s truly unfortunate that this dropped JUST before the big UI overhaul
I like the Ghost Onion for my first couple runs where I was Still learning the enemy timing and I was getting Bopped a lot
same here! the learning curve was quite steep for me at the beginning and it really helped me progress through erebus without instantly dying all the time
More than fair!
Its great until you get fountains and better arcanas. S tier for the 5 runs, then C tier later
and to add on if you got rocked on a boss and the fountain doesn't get you above your aphro restore boon (I forget the name) where you return to 100% if you're about 80% or 60% health or whatever
We really need icons for these lol
Hopefully we get them in the next update
They got icons in patch 2
Wow, that was fast.
@@TheTrueCopyUniverse love how quick supergiant is at getting back to fans
I’m so glad Engraved Pin got S. it was one of the first keepsakes I unlocked and was really surprised at how powerful it was, even at rank 1. It’s also the first keepsake I got to rank 3. A stubborn defiance that lets you deal more damage before you die, AND if you manage to kill everything, it heals you without using a DD? So cool.
I’ve actually been watching through your twitch streams and was surprised that you kept picking the luckier tooth for the final zone when the pin just seemed objectively better. (Though, I’m only on like day 5 of the streams so I’m sure that changes at some point)
Discordant Bell could be a lot more interesting if modeled after the Eris boss fight where she gains 100% damage after her health drops a certain threshold.
The reimagined keepsake might be (excuse the numbers):
The first time you reach 75% of your hp, you gain X% more damage. This repeats when you reach 50%, and 25% hp.
- Level 1:You gain 40% more damage at each threshold, capping at 120% when at 25% or less health.
- Level 2:You gain 50% more damage at each threshold, capping at 150% when at 25% or less health.
- Level 3:You gain 60% more damage at each threshold, capping at 180% when at 25% or less health.
Aromatic phial is S-tier. You can put it on before drinking from a fountain after a boss
I always put it on for Erebus, Hecate is a breeze and then use the fountain to get a free heroic upgrade, and switch over to the engraved pin.
bro really did a tier list video one day before they got the icons :D
i love the thumbnail 😂 great tier list haebae
Aww, was hoping you'd manage to even the tier list out again!
If I have a good hex, I'll use the Path of Stars keepsake at Mourning Fields, since you're almost guaranteed to see either a major or minor Path of Stars there.
Describe this "good hex"
@@stevester553 Healing (Moon Water) or slow time (Phase Shift). I had 12 heals for my first successful Chronos fight, and with an Omega-spamming build (and especially with Born Gain) you can have almost permanent slow with a fully upgraded Phase Shift, though this won't help you in the Chronos fight.
@@redvenomweb I would also add the summon (Night Bloom) to the "good hex" category if you manage to unlock the permanent summon upgrade. For runs lacking dps, especially when you're leveling up mediocre keepsakes, it's an insanely good crutch if tight deadline isn't on. Very safe, and the summons deal so much damage once they're permanent.
I love that you posted this yesterday and we got an update today and they all have icons now isnt that always the way
I recon youre pretty well spot on for those of us that are playing 100 hours plus but I think the usefulness of a lot of them changes dramatically for more casual players
respect the vid
this does feel very biased from the speedrunner brain but I still find it interesting and thoughtful regardless
The only one I really think is speedrunner oriented is White Antler imo.
The Crystal Figurine is REALLY fun on a Judgement run. I take the reroll cluster which gives all four and satisfies the requirements for Judgement and the Duos then start the run with Crystal Figurine. After beating Hecate, you have 12 cards, and by the time you beat Cerberus you have 22/25 of the Arcana active. It's a very high-risk/high-reward run
I've taken the silver wheel a few times in Oceanus on medium fear (~20) Aspect of Pan runs where the game just really didn't want to give me magic regen and I was going to die to timer without a way to use the omega special. Pretty niche, but the use does exist
Yeah I had a similar use case with Mel torch and rift of Thessaly
Silken Sash is great with the Hephaistois boon that gives you some temp armor every chamber. The temp armor gets reset, the regenerated armor from the sash stays.
Moon beam only really makes sense when you're in the fields because it triggers off of bonus reward 1lvl path of stars too, and only with OP hexes (cough cough moon water). Otherwise it's totally skipable, but when I have moon water I always take it when going to the fields. It's a no brainer, moon water is so busted you can't go wrong with it.
Lunar ray and total eclipse can also become giga busted once upgraded enough. It helps that they are the only hexes that don't have a startup animation after the first time you use them
@@malikhittam1440 lunar ray is one of the mediocre ones imo. It literally leaves you vulnerable while using it and deals somewhat high damage, but is still worse in that regard than a good build would be in the same time period. Total eclipse is good tho, that I can agree with. Same with phase shift, tho it's preferable on the surface as it doesn't work on the bad guy.
@sebastianzarek7056 lunar ray has a node where it just fires like demeters cast from hades 1. That's what makes it good because you can just plop it down and continue attacking/dodging
@@sebastianzarek7056 In my last run I had Lunar ray shooting three lasers from a fixed point with no channel and if you do it right no wind up either. Just drop it for an extra 3000+ damage right next to the boss, then continue on your way. So it can be good, but I got really lucky on the path of stars. It starts off very mid.
moon beam would be better when hexes become stronger
Another thing about White Antler is that it's only based on Health, so Armor doesn't count towards the upper limit. Get to 30 health, grab Hephaestus' boon that refreshes your Armor every room in exchange for primed Magic, and go wild.
I think a working strategy is to use the Silk for armor in zone 1, no hit it or close as you can, get a dress, get the heph boon, take no damage, have no health scaling,
Swap to Antler zone 2 or 3
Does blackened fleece count damage dealt to you in excess of what you can take? Like, will it activate immediately from taking one of those 999 hits from Chronos?
hear me out on this i dea i had with crystal figurine right now. upgrade your core arcnas to 3, up all others to 2 then upgrade judgment to 3 and it guarantees to activate it after hecate? does that work?
I usually goes for God keepsake for Erebus, Nasisus or Chaos in Oceanus, Experimental Hammer in field, Knuckle bone or Pin in tartarus.
Recently I’ve been playing around with White antler and I LOVE it so much. Only down side is I need to change acana card every time I change weapon lol
Honestly, there’s something to be said for getting the Lion Fang bonus damage earlier rather than later - it puts you ahead of the curve on your scaling. It might not carry you on its own, but it can really smooth out the early stages of an area, giving you a leg up against the now-tougher enemies until you can get more upgrades.
Can you stack Knuckle Bones with Hades’ boon to reduce Chronos’ health for a double whammy?
Now that moon beam is at +5 from +3 and with the changes to hexes in patch would you say it's worth upgrading a tier?
Lucky tooth being B is a crime.
I dont use it alot after the early game, but its still literally the ol' reliable for me
How does engraved pin work in the fields of mourning? If you clear a fight but there are more rewards, or sometimes you can even clear all the encounters for rewards, but some dudes stay super far away protecting nothing
¿How do you get your HP lowered to 30? I cant lower my HP more than 40:(
I feel like lion fang/eris’ bell could be combined in a way to make them better, like start at 2.5% damage and increase by 2.5% up to 50% after every chamber, but you lose it if you take it off, which means you could put it on before Tartarus but then wouldn’t get the full effect, you’d really want it on right after Oceanus, but then you are pretty much locked into a keepsake for half the run, if you wanted it to be the bell then you can keep the whole effect of you take more damage, and then for the lion fang hell you could keep it as losing the damage, but I think the damage boost should either be increased or the % decreased should be lowered, just my thoughts, personally I don’t mind them but like Dan says there are just better boons for offense like the white antler, so either these boobs need buffs or the antler needs a nerf, idrk which would be preferable
Engraved Pin is amazing if you can time Moros’s countdown to coincide with Chronos’s death animation, just had it trigger by accident and it was almost cinematic lol
Is evil eye an actual multiplier? or just flat +30% dmg on attacks/specials/casts like most of those +% dmg types? Most people eventually only really die to chronos if at all - so it's certainly not bad. No setup needed, u simply use it on last area if it's set to chronos - otherwise u skip it. Just not sure how much dmg it actually is.
why not use Engraved Pin to activate Blackened Fleece by the 2nd zone? also does Knuckle Bones and Weak have any interesting DR interactions? I believe Crystal Figurine is supposed to be a Zone one companion to the Final Arcana Card. 3+5 per zone+1 from keepsake(+1 0 cost card if you choose your 3 carefully). its pretty easy to arrive at Chronos with 20 cards active. Its only for fun random runs but thats how i maximize it.
even before the buffs, moon beam is my favrite keeepsake by far just becasue of how fun it is to get like +10 path of stars upgrades at once and having a stupidly good hex, the direct buff to it and the buffs to hexes all across the board make me love it even more
Evileye needs a buff. If it's going to retain it's current effect, it needs effective for the one thing it's at least modestly good for right now: extra damage versus Chronos (or any boss that you're stuck on.)
One good thing about it is that if you use it to win a run, Chronos still counts as the last thing that killed you, so you can use it in consequtive runs as long as you don't die to anything other than Chronos. This thing could comfortably deal between 50 - 100% extra damage at max rank without breaking the game.
can you combo the knuckle bones with the hades boon that reduces 20% of chronos health?
I've had so many runs that relied on that level 3 Moon Beam. S tier
Does crystal figurine work if we have the heat on that turns off all the arcana cards?
If so it can be pretty nice for high heat runs.
@@mattyryon well then rip
My Few ideas, for few keepsakes. They might be broken, or not that great, but this is just some "alternatives effects" to think about :
- Silver Wheel : Prime cost 50% less, regen 3/4/5 mana when you strike a foe.
- Ghost Onion : Restore 10/15/20 HP each time you pick a minor reward
- Evil Eyes : Deals and Takes 30% / 40% / 50% more damage against the last foe that vanquished you.
- Discordant Bell : -3/4/5% damage every 10 health. +3/4/5% damage every 10 mana.
- Gold Purse : The next Gardian double your gold
- Moon Beam : Unlock 1 bonus anywhere from your Path of star.
- Lion Fang : +30/40/50% damage and prevent 1 hit by encounter, broke if you get hit.
- Lion Fang (broken) : you deal -20% less damage, the first hit by encounter deals -50% damage.
- Blackened Fleece : Omega Moves deals 6 / 8 / 10% more damage per 50 damage taken this night (cap: 50%)
- Crystal Figurine : get 3/4/5 max health and mana per Arcana Card equipped.
- Concave Stone : After choosing a Boon, 50% of the time take 1 more. 1/2/3 per night.
White Antler, Poseidon dash, Hermes Dash, Hephaestus armor and invincibility boons. So fun to play
My constant chronos start is Concave stone for the extra boon which is seriously strong for the first area, Tracendent embryo at oceanus because depending on your path you can keep the boon once finished and switch it at 3rd area, or run the path so you get the extra room that make your embryo roll again, experimental hammer at the fields because maxed out it will last until after chronos and if you dont get something you want atleast it pulls that boon out of the rotation because you always get 1-2 boons in the fields, then for 4th area you get a freebie and can swap to whatever you need at that point based on the run. This keepsake rotation has helped me clear up to heat 36 on all weapons.
I would not have tried a white antler run if not for your encouragement. It was a blast and I managed to take down Cronus with the aspect of Artemis.
Magick regen. Sometimes I'll use Silver Wheel when I don't want to use The Unseen arcana card and want to prioritize attack/special/cast boons. After filling those, then I'll take whatever magick regen boon is offered and change keepsakes after the first region. Doesn't always work out that way, but that's the ideal.
I've found Silver Wheel very useful to tide you over until you can get a good build established.
Silken Sash is weird. The better you are at the game, the more you can use it (since you'll be able to keep the armor for longer) but at the same time, the less you need it (since you can already dodge and reduce damage) so you'd want another keepsake instead of it
The usefulness is entirely based on how good the Arachne boon is even in that case. Getting the 100% cast and keeping that depending on your build can be ridiculous.
@@ellipsis...1986 I agree with that, but then it depends on you getting that boon. It also works well with Hephaestus' armor boon. But then you'd have to make Figurine a bit better since it can activate the card that grants you more cards for example
@@gonzalorosciolesi6502 Yeah for sure. I used it a lot at the start as my defensive choice but I think I've only used it a few times in the last hundred or so runs. Very much just a case of there is almost always a better choice, sadly.
@@ellipsis...1986 Sadly that's a theme with most keepsakes, a bit better than in Hades 1
That puts it in basically the same place as lucky tooth, though. It's just a safe fallback for when you don't care about any of the others right now, and is good when you don't want to "waste" a better keepsake, knowing you'll replace it in some later zone. It's about half of a tooth, in effect, but doesn't require you to die before you can get value from it
I mostly take it for zone 1 so I always come out of there at full HP and often with a big shield to take into zone 2, none of the others are useful for the first zone except maybe embryo, assuming you're not trying to force a particular duo boon
I kinda wish the gods' keepsakes didn't return so we saw how the game developed without them this time around because they're still the most important thing in the game.
I can't imagine playing without them. I was surprised to learn that some people actually prefer no God keepsakes in their runs
This is something that I may have enjoyed as well but I also recognize that the god keepsakes may have been a larger part of what made Hades 1 so approachable than I realize. Here's hoping we get some fun game modes.
@@Haelian Yeah it's weird, I like them too, making builds is fun and the essence of Hades 1 and 2 both but their existence invalidates a lot of other keepsakes unless you're ok with being knowingly suboptimal.
As I'm not a speedrunner or interested in pushing heat/fear beyond what's rewarding, personally it depends on my mood.
I feel like for discordant bell, maybe it would be better if it was exactly the same, but it was for seconds per encounter, and resets every new encounter.
Edit: or instead of resetting completely, it halves after every encounter. That way it can really get out of hand really quickly
I think the evil eye take is wrong tbh, early on I would basically hitless the entire game then die instantly to chronos. Because of this the evil eye was basically always on chronos. To me killing chronos that little bit faster was really important because it gave me less times to get randomly chunked down. Is it the best? No. Other keepsakes overtake it even when it IS on the target you want. But is it pretty damn solid early game when one boss is giving you a lot of trouble? I would say so.
I and probably almost everyone was/is in the same boat because Chronos is just that much harder than everything else currently in the game.
But is Evil Eye really the best solution when struggling with Chronos? Why not bring Luckier Tooth? Generally speaking, when you struggle with a boss investing into defenses is more valuable, at least according to my experience.
Or if you really insist on the offense part the Lion Fang gives you almost the same attack boost (Just 5% less) but you get to use it on all the enemies in Tartarus + the enemies Chronos spawns mid-fight.
He was a little harsh on the evil eye, I'll admit that, but he does have a point putting it into D tier because it's simply outclassed
The engraved pin is great if you know when the last wave of enemies is, if theres a way to figure out when that last enemy is actually the last enemy and another wave wont spawn, I'd have it at S too.
I think Crystal Figurine is fun to put on at the start of the run if you know exactly which god you're getting first or aren't looking for any one god/build in particular. I put it on when I just wanna see what the game gives me, and the fact that it only works for one biome makes it significantly less of a "gamble your entire run on this keepsake" situation since you have no reason to keep it on for the whole run. Just put it on, beat Hecate, and then switch to god or offensive keepsakes to flesh out your build with something synergetic w/ what you got in erebus. The only downside of it, really, is that it's a filler keepsake more than anything, so if you have a plan you're going for, you absolutely should be using the keepsake slot for something else, but if not, it at least has more potential than some other filler keepsakes you'd put on for the first biome.
It feels so fkn good when it hits the Artificier of Judgement.
@@marceljoron7805 it gave me the huntress on one run i was doing on p high fear and even though it's only 3 grasp, i didn't have the room to put it on in my loadout, but it helped a TON bc i picked the vow of panic and was constantly at 0 magic and had a regular attack-based build. was it absolutely necessary? maybe not. was it a fun filler keepsake? for sure.
My main issue with Engraved Pin is how the game spawns enemy waves... too precarius trying to trigger it manually when the game just decides to spawn in 1-3 extra waves randomly, eith a few seconds between each.
Might be a game knowledge issue, bit I really only feel comfortable using it in Mourning Fields
I definitely get that, I still get it wrong some times.
I figured the 15% damage is delayed so if u uave the shielded health vow where u gotta hit em once or twice before u do damage to them u have a small window to get rid of it for the damage proc
Would it be worth it to only level judgment to a tier 3 so crystal figurine will always proc it?
It doesn't matter what you have leveled, Crystal Figurine just makes whatever card it hits level 3 for that run.
If i get a hex early I will put on path of stars after zone 2. Zone 3 usually always offers another hex. They are fun but need a little more power I think or maybe less mana usage to activate
If all the keepsakes are rings, why can't we have 10 of them on 🤔
The bracelet image is a placeholder. There will be different artwork for each keepsake most likely
White Antler
i gave the white antler a try on a run yesterday with the axe, and man i got so lucky with my boons and hammers that i just kept stacking attack damage and i was melting everything in my wake, IT WAS AWESOME. Of course i lost in the end, but i dont care it was so fun
Moon Beam
Shockingly enough this carried me really hard on my first Cronos kill, i got really lucky with path of stars finds and was able to heal myself constantly with Moon Water, i think i had like 14 uses saved up. This was post Hex buff, so keep that in mind.
seeing one of my fav keepsakes put in C
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i actually use crystal figurine alongside judgement, gives me an extra card boost after the first region
i like that roll of the dice
Does Lion Fang lose 5% flat as in 50% -5% = 45%, or as in actual 5% less: 50*0.95= 47.5%?
Flat
Knuckle Bones + the Hades boon that takes out 20% of Chronos' health were what helped me beat him for the first time 😂
I think gold purse is sneakily underrated when you're really early in meta progression but then becomes steadily almost useless once you're starting runs with a decent amount of strength anyway
Engraved Pin is SSS tier in the fields, every main pick up wave counts as an encounter so it can trigger many times per room. If you are struggling there highly recommend a try.
Harlian: You can’t go the entire run without getting a magic regen boon if you need the magic
Me: You underestimate my power
One more thing that you didn't factor into the ranking is the usability until the keepsake is 3stars, for example "Discordant Bell" from Eris is way too bad for me cuz the damage percentage early on is so negligible!
Th idea of egraved pin is that Moros (the incarnation of inevitable death as opposed to peaceful death, which is Thanatos) is just there intentionally loitering on his way over and, if you manage to make it look like you'd walked the lethal blow off before he's finished taking his sweet time, he looks the other way and you get to live.
I use the moon beam quite often on biome 3, you will always find a path there. I always do anyways. I only go this way if I have the invulnerable transformation, I can get that to just about 100% up time. Makes dealing with chronos a breeze
Selene's keepsake is interesting. You don't want to equip it if your hex or path options suck so it is bad in the first biome. For the final biome you usually wants something to help you in the boss fight, not a set-up keepsake. So out of 6 current biomes, this keepsake is only an option in 2. Due to sometimes finding path of stars upgrades lying arround, the Fields of Mourning is the best option.
I love hex strats, but this keepsake will not allow them to become live faster, just better once live (appart from some dark side screen freeze exploits).
im not good enough to run white antler, so i usually have too much health to justify engraved pin because the only character that can usually kill me after abusing god pins is chronos, so i always end up finishing with evil eye. i also like concave stone in asphodel cause you can usually choose between 2 or 3 different boons you want to stack. lucky tooth is always nice if the pin isn't the boss you're fighting.
I love reaching 130 health and getting Apollo + Hestia's health regen at 30 with antler.
note on silken sash. you keep getting additional armor, if you can get armor back after losing the first layer from the sash.
There's a delay because if you have this game's version of Damage Control on, it hits the heart rather than the actual HP. So you have a few seconds to scratch off those hearts before your keepsake is wasted.
One use for Silver wheel I have used was in tartarus and the Chronos fight. I basically had a really mana hungry build and my mana recovery just wasn't enough.
"what if it activates judgement and gives you a bunch of cards, but what are the odds of that" I thought that was a very interesting question, the answer is 1 in 9 if you optimize your card setup for it, but note that this isn't something you'll usually be doing as that setup sacrifices the "eternity" card, which is the one that gives you death defiance, but you can put it back on and only get 1 in 10 odds, which is still not great
14:15 I agree with the hex being not in a good place, but I do feel like it you decide to bring it biome 3 I’ve found you can pretty much constantly get at least 1 path of star (if not more)
A bonus to the engraved pin that you didn't mention helping to solidify it as the best keepsake in the game is that even though it can still use up a death defiance, 10 seconds of full invulnerability can let you get massive amounts of damage in against bosses by just facetanking them while ignoring all of their mechanics.
I should probably give White Antler a go. That 30hp limit was scaring me off ahah.
Speaking as a mid player, I will say I value Luckier Tooth higher (A in general, or S in early game). Ghost onion was also clutch in earlish game when I was struggling with the Fields.
Again as a mid player, i get a lot of use out of Blackened Fleece (also in Fields, I generally hit the dmg limit right around then).
I would put Crystal Figurine in B. Agreed it's not the most fun or run shaping, but it's always somewhat useful, so I tend to use it in Oceanus if I have 3 gods already. Maybe I should be using the Embryo more instead!
From my experience, damage is more important against chronos than health. The defensive keepsake just don't feel like adding more than one or two hits while the evil eye adds damage to every attack. Chronos is also the name that keepsake shows most often for me.
Start with silken sash and hunt for Arachne. Get whatever bonus you want but you have built up a bunch of armor from Erebus + Arachne (then don’t get hit by Hecate). I’ve ended Erebus with 120 armor + my Arachne bonus. It feels safer if you don’t want to leave it on for later biomes, you won’t break it right at the beginning lol.
Once you swap out Blackened Fleece, the effect is gone, right? Anyone test this yet?
Tis gone.