So they gave Thanatos' aspect 30% attack speed... | Hades 2
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Death is the 13th Major Arcana in tarot, I think that’s what they’re going for with it
i dont know anything about tarot, but very interesting hypothesis .. !!! it would be cool if that is what devs had in mind
@@666rohith well seeing as the 13th Arcane Card in the game, is the Death card. Yeah probably.
@@TabbyVee I keep seeing people saying this, but...what? Death is the 4th Arcana card in game not the 13th? 13th is centaur? I'm either missing something or having a stroke
@@RamikinHorde They mean real life tarot cards, not the in-game arcana cards.
@@danielp.7855 That's what i thought except people keep explicitly saying (like the guy above) "the 13th Arcana Card in the game, is the death card"...
maybe this has already been answered, but in the patch video you were like “13% is a weird number” and i’ve just realized it’s because 13 is the unlucky number
It’s also because 13 is the tarot card of Death
@@darellinares3956I mean supergiant probably made that card 13 because it’s the unlucky number lol
@@roshanpaul8548 death is the 13th major arcana in a deck of tarot cards
@@roshanpaul8548 Other way around: Death has always been number 13 among the Major Arcana, Supergiant just went with it and fixed the crit rate at 13% as a reference (fitting, considering the Arcana are involved in Melinoe's leveling)
@@username9236 Ah ah thank you that makes more sense
10:05 lost it at "sheep ate my frog WHAET??!"
Something to take note of in the mourning fields, if ever u go into a multiboon room with a hammer, refrain from rushing to the hammer and save it for the last thing b4 leaving. If u get Echo in the next room it's a chance u get the option to get your last received rewards which would be the hammer. By this time I usually have 2 so it adds that 3rd line of effect you'd almost never see. It always pains me when u forget to remember this myself as it can break any fun build u might be making just to test.
I had a run earlier today where I sort of ignored the whirlwind altogether and used Than as an extremely quick axe. I got the hammer that makes the axe swing even quicker alongside swift strike and iirc Apollo attack and the hammer that makes your last hit in the combo hit twice. Eventually I put on white antler too and it destroyed things, its a fun weapon I think, more to me than it was before
Edit: Oh that's basically this run lol
With Aphrodite attack and consistent Origination you feel like a total juggernaut. It got me my first 32 fear surface clear! I love it. I hope they don't nerf it, but they probably will.
@@BartlebyScrivener-oz6mk Yep. Axe went from the worst weapon in the game to now strongest aspect. I got fear 32 run win as well. It is my favourite aspect now. Torches were my fav last patch and now this is my fav.
I had a near identical run too.... +75% Attack Speed. 😳
“did I already suffer twink death at that point?”
BEEE WHO YOU ARRREEEEE FOR YOUR PRIIIDEE
Wait until you combine the Executioner's Chop (The final move in your Attack sequence hits 2 times) with Hell Splitter (Your Attack becomes a big chop with 300 Power).
Thats 600 raw Power for every hit without any boons or arcana cards.
I did not even have optimal boons and ended up doing ~1800dmg for every strike, and they weren't that slow either thanks to the Aspect of Thanatos Attack speed boost.
This is how I finally did 32 heat Chronos last night.
That's the first build I thought of after patch lol. Executioner + Hell splitter is fun anyway, and with that sweet sweet attack speed...
Got this by complete accident on a surface run before the patch, very strong indeed 😂
Is that base 300 damage, upward of 1800 damage for the basic attack or the Omega attack?
@@AriadneDionysus 300 power means it's the base damage all other bonuses multiply by. So with aphrodite attack boon on nice lvl and rarity, executioner's chop and some other nice dmg boons (or arcanas, etc) you can easily surpass even 2k damage for 1 attack.
The thing about the new Than axe (that I didn’t notice at first) is that the crit chance from Mortality now affects ALL your omega moves, not just the attack. So it could also be good with cast or special builds. Though I haven’t tried it much myself.
That’s actually how it was before, I had a gnarly Zeus cast crit build with it before the patch
Oh. Guess I just didn’t really pay attention before. 😅
I really like the idea of Thans new scythe. In general the aspects that force/incentivise you to use different parts of your kit equally like new Momus are something the game was missing before I felt. There was never an incentive to take a good cast, good spec and good attack.
However, the axe just feels too clunky even with 30% faster atk speed.
I would love some more of those gain and spend mechanics, but using the not fun part of the kit to make the fun part usable/enjoyable is just not the way to go.
I have 2 ideas to make Thans scythe fun and strong (numbers would need to be right ofc):
1: Make every attack gain like 5-10% crit chance up to a certain limit and then have the next Omega Move use it all. So you would have the 1-2-3-Omega combo.
2: Give it a different atk string, so it doesnt have the big chop at the end. I think that would fix the whole aspect for me personally. Having to watch your children grow up and go to college, graduate and get a job while waiting for 1% crit chance is so stupid. I would love to be able to atk 1-2-1-2-1-2... for the crit chance and then use the whirlwind and special. The Big Chop Hammer could then give it a single big(ger) swing instead.
And also: Slamming a scythe into the ground makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Just sayin.
new videos always come out just in time for my lunch break thank you 🙏🙏🙏
15:25, 13 is considered an unlucky number (fun fact! this is why on some cruise ships [I'm not sure about hotels but def cruise ships] you wont find a 13th floor) and as ryanblaine9977 pointed out in his comment, it's also the tarot number of Death
Also 13 is the tarot card for death
maybe you should add version number to old hades 2 build/guide videos as the game continues to evolve and go through balance changes
Maybe just look at the date
The game has the version number on the top right at all times. For every single Hades II video he's uploaded just check the top right, and you'll know what version it was played in.
Tried this aspect out today for the first time. My first run I started with the hammer that makes your attack the chop. I then got a first room chaos gate that boosted my attack damage. Right after the chaos gate I got the Aphrodite attack boon. I was doing a little less than 1k a hit by room 3 and won that run but I felt that the chopping hammer feels very clunky although the aspect does help a lot.
Whats up haelian, been watching ur videos since hades 1. And just recently i figured out how to take micronaps like batman while i was watching one of your videos. My brain was resting but your voice was keeping awake enough not to fall asleep completely lol
thanatos is nasty with white antler. just did a run w that today and my god, the damage lol
im so mad they got rid of my spin to win weapon
it’s still spin it’s just not spamming one move a trillion times
@@fishermancy7719 ya I know but I like only spinning lol I actually like the rework but gonna miss it •__•7
Weedwacker.
You can still spin like 80% of the run. Just don't take damage a ton
@@gavinsaxey I want 100% 😡
"did i already suffer twink death at that point?" the representation i needed 💖
Had a run where I got the 30% attack speed daedalus hammer, double chop, and another 10% from Hermes. 70% attack speed and a double last hit, didnt even bother with the omega attack most the time. Felt super good
Ran this last night with Aphro attack and still managed to snag Apollo legendary along with the hammer that lets you attack while spinning and I’ve never felt so busted
I'm sure it's been pointed out already but in case it hasn't - you can do literally everything while using omega attack with Psychic Whirlwind; you can sprint with it, you can infinitely charge and release omega attacks (magick level dependant ofc), you can omega special, activate Toula... It's so good
Honestly, I think Born Gain would be balanced if it either:
Primed more per encounter, or-
Immediately triggers upon hitting low magic amount and just quickly regens like other gain boons.
I think prime more would be preferable. Born Gain is a really cool idea actually, there just needs to be an actual risk of running out of magick and an actual reason to use poms/rarities on it.
@@BriarBryce I prefer the higher prime myself, but with it only priming 10 magic unpommed at common, as long as you take the Titan Arcana, you can prime 8 times without a magic upgrade, and the average magic use is like... 20?
The idea of running out of magic in any given encounter is just not realistic.
I was also playing with the idea that they might lower the prime by quite a lot, but make it permanent... which would make it much harder to keep up with, but it'd still be incredibly powerful.
@@BriarBryce The problem with more giving it more magic priming to balance it is that it becomes so all or nothing. Either you don't hit the magic cap, in which case you never worry about magic AT ALL, or you hit the cap and can't do anything else that uses magic. In the case where you don't hit the cap it's still far and away the best magic regen boon because you just don't have to think about it, unlike other regen boons where you at least have to stop using omegas to regen the magick, or even more restrictive things like standing in the cast or doing nothing at all for at least 1 second. Personally I think it's more interesting and dynamic to have a loop where magic runs out and then has to regen, so omegas get used periodically, then a loop where omegas get used almost exclusively until you can't use them at all. I agree that born gain giving the regen over time is probably the simplest way to balance it
@@tealwombat if they go that route, it'd need to still charge while channeling to be meaningfully different, I think.
Born gain would need a negative similar to ionic gain I think where your maximum mana is severely cut to balance it out. If you have 100 mana and prime 8
That’s still 100, 92, 84, 76…. Its practically unlimited
Do we know how Apollo legendary works with whirlwind? Do you get two whirlwinds? Do they both follow you?
Have you tried or been able to fill out then entire tree for any of selune's abilities? I am curious is that is something usable or if it would just be meh.
Ya several times, just really depends on which Hex since many still just don't feel worth investing in at this point.
did anyone else notice at 14:52 when he took the elements from narcissus he straight up didn’t get the aether(?? is that what it’s called?????) and it didn’t change for the rest of the run either
I think itd be interesting to see a thanatos run pivot to focusing on specials coz the new special speed feels good and it also takes advantage of the sorceress arcana now, i feel like a giga cleaver thanatos wont be bad at all
It's also dash cancelable now. 👍
What's the mew max gods per run without forcing with keepsakes? Still 4? Or is it 3 now?
4
One thing that annoys me with the axe is that you can't channel the omega attack without attacking once first, and sometimes this locks you into an animation that opens you up to taking damage. I wish there was a way to channel the omega attack without using a normal attack first. This is an even bigger problem with the torches (esp. Eos aspect), where you have to fire several normal attacks before being able to charge up the omega. Anyone else bothered by this? I still love the game though. Great channel too ❤
It’s definitely intentional on the torches, it’s supposed to reward you for holding down the attack key. I do agree for a lot of them that’s it’s annoying tho- it gets me with aspect of Artemis, because I end up wasting crit strikes on little baby hits
Try dash striking into it, way safer and faster
The new version working with psychic whirlwind without bugging out the ability to stack up your crit chance like the old version did already makes me like it.
It’s practically the same since the whirlwind doesn’t generate the crit at all anymore
Shower-thought: Nowadays nobody questions that if you hold a giant axe and spin around with it, that's called "Whirlwind". Like, duh, what else would you call it? But imagine if Blizzard didn't coin that phrase when they created this Barbarian skill in Diablo 2...
14:15 was so satisfying lol
I agree with what you said at the start about how it feels like none of the axes favor a whirlwind play style anymore. I like the attack speed of Thanatos but losing the crit bonus to one tick of damage and needing to land 13 hits again feels like it pushes you more towards regular attack builds. Maybe Than crit should just be a general crit chance again and Mel axe should be HP + Omega attack damage.
Whirlwind build is really hammer based. you need two things to make whirl build work. Advancing whirlwind for 80% power to make it a ranged move and any source of -cast time for omega moves. So basically Chaos boon. Maybe they should nerf hammer that reduces charge time by -80% and add 40% base-kit or something. Right now it is more of niche thing that you can go for but it requires luck.
i hope they completely rework hephaestus’s magick regain. only getting magick back when you get hit is objectively an awful decision compared to all the other regains. hephaestus deserves better 😭
14:16 you interrupted their meeting, how could you!!
Lol I literally just got an 8:53 with zeus attack and romantic spark and the antler, by chronos blitz was critting for 3300 lmao. This aspect is gonna be insane
Thanatos is insane now. And the speed boost STACKS with the hammer....
What psychic whirlwind doesn't tell u is that u can dash in while spinning
I mean.... you can do literally everything while Spinning... including charging another Whirlwind. 👀
@@lookalike4805 not everything, u used to be able to sprint as well while in the whirlwind, that doesn't work anymore since the update
Ive used the big chop w the att speed and ignored everything else tbh.
21:41 SIR 😅🤣
AXE GAAANNNNGGGGG THE AXE IS GOATED I LOVE THAT THING
well dont forget, we will have the hidden aspects. maybe that one will fir the spin
You can stack omega attacks with that hammer. Get some channels speed and suddenly you one shot bosses when have 2 omega attacks going on a cast. (Which you can cast during those attacks)
This got me a 14 min run without even trying. Was siiiiiiiilly
wow imagine that with appolo legendary, 4 spins going off at the same time.
I don't know if it's better or worse now but the Crit Chance feels inconsequential.
Oh now Thanatos has the attack speed instead of Melinoe. Bleh, I just finished upgrading Melinoe. Attack speed is kinda necessary to make axe feel good.
do u think aphrodite's attack/special boons are gonna get nerfed?
Why ? 🤔
@@lookalike4805 maybe its just me but I find the dmg feels op sometimes
I got a hammer from Echo with onion fear.
8:00 "the other magic returns aren't as bad as we joke they are"
Haelian, after Hera and Hestia, the next 3 best magic gain boons are from Chaos, Arachne and the f$cking Arcana Cards. The other Olympian magic regen boons are terrible.
Zeus is fine if you have a large enough pool to not be crippled by it, it's basically the magic version of Hestia. Other than that agreed - Aphro is unplayable garbage, Demeter is annoying, Apollo is annoying and niche, Poseidon % is way too low and feels completely awful, etc.
@@RamikinHorde Poseidon is barely passable because at least it regenerates from you using your Omega attacks and specials.
I still can't figure out why Demeter exists. "Hey if you want your magic back, literally stand still in a room full of dangerous enemies."
@@thecactusman17Demeter might work if it gave regen even while moving as long as you didn't attack or cast. Stays in the spirit of things without making it useless.
@@BartlebyScrivener-oz6mk Yeah that would be my solution.
13% is a really nice touch lol. And the attack speed buff is fair because the scythe looks lighter than these axes, + it helps to get hit less.
Honestly this aspect feels better than Mel's for normal attack build.
Maybe they should make Mel aspect increase Omega attack charge by 35% and give it 35% chance for spin to double hit. It might make it niche good with hit-on Poseidon or Hestia burn builds.
I think they want all the Melinoe aspects to feel worse than the Nightmare Aspects.
@@lookalike4805 doesn't that just reduce game options? like why have 3 weapon choices if only 1 is good. Just have 1 weapon then. Anyway, whatever.
Apollo Range, double hit, hammer attack speed, Hermes attack speed, laugh!
New than feels eh to me but ill need to try it some more
I just did a run with it on 16 Fear and it felt very smooth, honestly. Apollo on attack, eventual Legendary, Weed Killer from Demeter, etc. Had final damage values within 100 points of each other on Attack and OAttack.
I'd like so much if Armor could prevent the Mortality to reset. Something like "Reset your Mortality when you lose Life" would be more lore accurate and also fit Than theme :)
And it'd make Hephy more interesting for this aspect, which he probably deserves since he is the "weakest" god imho.
That means it will reset when you enter Chaos or get hit by Nemesis or lose any health Buffs.
@@lookalike4805 @lookalike4805 Well you're right, my wording maybe wrong but i think you understand my point :)
Right now the wording is "until you take damage" so its hard to say if its life or armor, thats why chat and Haelian were wondering in the run.
I just did a 50% atk speed, Hell Splitter, Appetite lmao
I got the feeling that the axe handles way more smoth, especialy dashing before the 3d slam attack feels way better than before!
Such a nice uppgrade, felt clunky before the patch
If I may ask, why are you playing on such low fear?
I feel like not getting hit with a melee weapon just isn't fun. I don't want to play slow and methodical, I want to find the biggest group of enemies and spin. It just doesn't feel right that so much of the power of the aspect is in the regular attack. As someone who got my first clear by exclusively using the axe's regular attack, ignoring omega moves. If I want to do a spin build, I just want to hold down attack and see enemies melt, not dodge around, and wait patiently for my moment, that feels like a daggers kind of thing. I feel like the aspect isn't necessarily bad, it just doesn't feel right.
I like that they made the aspect more intricate. Rather than it being THE Omega attack aspect, it’s Attack into Omega Attack.
It’s a lot more fitting of some of the Hades 1 aspects, like how Dad spear spin attack buffed attack and special, etc.
Now that all weapons have 4 components, plus sprint and cast, there’s a lot of interesting interplay potential, and having one be “you only use Omega attack the entire run,” or “you only normal attack the entire run” wouldn’t be interesting enough.
What if born gain’s primed magick stayed until you picked up a major reward and increased the primed magick? Because then it’s not completely permanent but became more worrisome as you get closer to a ton of primed magick, and incentives saving enough money for a boon from the shop before boss fights and such, adding more depth to a frankly basic and boring boon
There is a hammer that gives 40% attack speed 👀
30% from Than + 30% from Hammer + 30% from heroic Hermes attack speed would be bonkers. Might make Big Chop actually good.
It was actually already good before. Slow... but better than the Combo.
Oh they didn't fixed Chronos being immune to curses sometimes
Personally didn't like the axe at all prior to this patch, I still kinda don't like it but I think it is better
the black on chronos insta kill looks way worse
There is one thing i hate the most in single player games or Pve games: nerfing weapons for the sake of those bots. Just like nerfing the aspect of Guan Yu.😢😢
I actually really like this change. It's still good, but you can't get away with just spamming the exact same thing over and over again forever anymore.
People complained about Heightened Security? I used that to get all my first wins with each weapon, it was literally a free aspect unless you were dumb and stood in lava or bad at dodging traps in Elysium.
The problem has less to do with the Pact and more to do with the Traps themselves.
Often it's simple not possible to Dodge everything so players kinda got used to Choosing to get by a trap rather than getting hit by an Enemy... this Pact messes with that Reactive Logic.
Jesus Christ, Thanatos continues to be busted.
Its a nerf for you, personally. Its a buff for almost everyone else. Getting over 13% temp crit was rare anyway and mostly matters for guardians. That 30% attack speed makes handling of the axe so much better.
Instead of nerfing born gain they need to boost the other regen boons to compete. There's little sense nerfing things in single player rogulikes
I won money on this run 👍
I heavily dislike what they did to this aspect. It’s very underwhelming…
Then we're all very glad you aren't designing the game
@@oldsaddad7274 wah wah wahhhh nobody asked you
@@BigChungus-gz9vw and absolutely no one ever asked you
@@BigChungus-gz9vw wait lmfao how can you wah wah at me you're literally the one crying
@@oldsaddad7274 nah bruv I just said I dislike it. Keep making things up tho