Definitely preferred the subtler look with the apparent darker/more highly pigmented look of the Liquitex. Which is convenient, as I already have a bottle!
Same. (I liked it best and I have a bottle already!) Plus, that was straight medium; I'm sure with a 50/50 medium and water mix you could get it even thinner and smoother if that's what you wanted.
yeah very thanks ! i buy the medium wash army painter and he is very good result for make wash lavis and contrast paint ! i love this, but the citadel contrast is good too
OK and I do agree about the model on show, but with mini painting it's easier to make things darker, use more coats be they speedpaints or transparents or inks or washes or whatever, building more thin layers of pigmentation. Removing pigmentation... more tricky.
Once I get some, I'll do my own tests, also, as I've a good 2-3x as much variety in my mediums collection. That being said, for this video, I like them all equally, for different application. The Liquitex maintains the color intensity, whilst the others are muc lighter, but the lighter ones also are more liquefied and apply smoother. My project-specific use would depend solely on intended outcome.
Really appreciate all the tests you guys are doing with these new paints. I am a heavy user of Contrast Paints as a base for oils, and these look like a good additional tool. Please keep testing various techniques and approaches!
Glad you're enjoying the content! We use a lot of citadel contrast paints & washes too - great stuff :) If you're familiar with those, you're already skilled with these as well!
I preferred A, pleased it was the AP one. Not expensive and easy to get here. Still, i'd try to find a homemade recipe. I've seen two different recipes for homemade Contrast paints, the Goobertown one with 50/50 ink and medium with some flow improver added, and the Spikeybits one which used 50/50 flow-aid and medium to produce a Contrast-like medium which was then mixed with paint, both worked well (although i think Brent's version was more vivid because inks). So, i strongly believe we can make this at home as long as we have medium. My guess is that 50/50 Medium and Water with some flow-improver added would work well. Since you do have the ingredients you might consider testing this :)
You can't make anything that even sort of approximates contrast at home. You can only make thick washes, which is fine but never nearly the same. Contrast has 11 or so different components that allow it to act as both a base coat and also a shade that separates out from the base, then settles in like a wash. Nothing anyone's ever made at home can do that at all and even Army Painter after years of research were unable to quite get there.
I've been using Golden Airbrush Medium, and it's been working really well. It's so nice and thin. It does take some experimentation on how much to use, because the paint is so heavily pigmented. (And I'm thinning most off of it that I try.)
The pooling into reccesses happens thanks to a flow improver that is inside each of these, beside the pure Liquitex medium. You can always buy a separate flow improver to mix with the medium to achieve similar results to these ready-to-go products.
Thank for another great comparison video, very interesting to see all these combinations of mediums and speedpaint.. Would be interesting to see if you can dilute the paints even further (especially the brown) really wondering if you could do a light skin tone with it or use it over a flesh color to create a "weathered" face..
@@gavinm894 It seems you didn't understand how work contrast paints so...it works with transparency and progressive fadings and liquitex medium doesn't match to reach the goal from what the contrast has been created because tone with liquitex is pretty even.
Sure if you are just batch painting for tabletop and don't have super high standards, art store bulk acrylic medium will save a few pennies and let you make good washes (but can't do what contrast or speedpaints do at all).
Im loving all the videos on the speed paints and because of your videos I will be getting the line when it comes out! I also wonder what they would look like on top of other primer colors other than white? Like black or gray primer with no zenithal?
This is a very cool video idea but you really need to re-do the test without using a wet palette. Just use hard plastic palette or any plastic really. As you said, these paints are not meant for a wet palette & so the speedpaint medium, paint, and ink are separating and bleeding through the palette membrane
If you could have seen the disastrous state of my plastic palette, you'd understand why I used the wet palette :) I used the paints as quick as possible to avoid inks bleeding out and the sponge was only damp, not soaked like I normally have it.
When I used contrast paint I found it worked out well when mixed with airbrush thinner, so I'm wondering if it applies to speedpaint. Vallejo thinner. I use it for general painting makes paint smoother
What a fantastic review! You covered just about every metric I wanted here. When AP comes out with their "Speedium" can you do a test mixed with contrast paint AND speed paint. That would be cool because I think we all have a bottle of Dark Angels green contrast paint sitting around just wondering how we are going to use that gloop.
Does Vallejo have an alternative for Contrast Medium? Is it possible to dilute the "contrast" (analogues) with something else besides this medium with the same effect?
@@WatchItPaintIt It turns out that a contrast medium is needed? vallejo has it, but this new product hasn't made it to my country yet. I mean, can it be replaced with something from the existing line? Glaze, matte, thinner and other mediums.
Just FYI, if you pause the speedpaint trailer video and look at the mega paint box, you can see a Speedpaint Medium bottle. So yes, it has a special medium. 😀
Having experimented with Speedpaints quite a bit now, including with its own medium, I've actually wound up preferring it mixed with Lahmian Medium. It makes it very runny, but if you're a little careful with how you put it on you can get an extremely smooth finish with dramatic contrast. Just don't overload the model like you might with Speedpaint alone otherwise it does pool at the bottom of surfaces. You need less paint to get the same effect, and it's less likely to result in a blotchy finish.
The liquitex needs to be mixed with a drop of flow improver and some water.. the components of the other mediums to work perfectly and at a fraction of the cost.. it's not a big industry secret whats in them at this point
No - I "think" speedpaint mixing medium also contains a thinner that makes it run off and pool in the recesses. Lamian Medium is a matte paint medium that doesn't thin the paint, it just dilutes the pigment.
Speedpaint medium is quite different to the other mediums, even contrast medium. It seems to reduce the surface tension of any paint you put it in. Putting speedpaint medium into contrast paint turns it into a super runny wash, basically. It's weird stuff.
“A very light Gray called Corax White” I came here to make fun of this, but then I Googled it, and wow, I feel lied to. I almost want to boycott GW for this alone, lol.
These are from the board game Bloodborne by CMON games. They were part of a kickstarter a year or 2 ago. www.cmon.com/product/bloodborne-the-board-game/bloodborne-the-board-game
Since I'm not painting for competitions, I choose Liquitex due to the far cheaper cost. Consequently, I'm getting stunning results using flow aid, matte medium and art store inks. Works the same as Contrast and Speedpaints
Right on! Once you get the feel for certain products and how they work, you're golden. Liquitex is a fantastic brand, it just works a bit differently than other brands.
I don’t mean to be snarky but I feel that this video demonstrates a lack of understanding of paint chemistry and what the word ‘contrast’ actually means. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing.
The word contrast is irrelevant, what's relevant is the BRAND Contrast that's being discussed. A proprietary formula that's an opaque base coat and ink-wash style shade in one pot that applies in one step to give a base color and a second, deeper color that separates out into the shadow areas. It has never been successfully reverse engineered or figured out and the only imitators are using a different, roughly comparable formula.
Am I missing something? The liquitex one was the only one which looked like you could get away with 2 coats and seemed to put more contrast in the recesses. They all seamed pretty bad as contrast paint but could be useful for doing layering.
Definitely preferred the subtler look with the apparent darker/more highly pigmented look of the Liquitex.
Which is convenient, as I already have a bottle!
Same. (I liked it best and I have a bottle already!) Plus, that was straight medium; I'm sure with a 50/50 medium and water mix you could get it even thinner and smoother if that's what you wanted.
me 2, I'm getting one tomorrow :)
SAME )))
just got one..but i´ts still in my car thou..
After every test that you did with the speedpaints, I want to try them by myself! thanks for sharing your experience with us!
I love my speed paints, specially with 2 drop’s paint and one drop of water. It makes the paint go on smoother and the contrast sharper.
yeah very thanks ! i buy the medium wash army painter and he is very good result for make wash lavis and contrast paint ! i love this, but the citadel contrast is good too
Honestly in this test I would go for the liquitex medium. It just seems to keep the bolder colors, and more striking contrasts between light and dark.
same, except maybe with a splash of flow improver.
OK and I do agree about the model on show, but with mini painting it's easier to make things darker, use more coats be they speedpaints or transparents or inks or washes or whatever, building more thin layers of pigmentation. Removing pigmentation... more tricky.
Once I get some, I'll do my own tests, also, as I've a good 2-3x as much variety in my mediums collection. That being said, for this video, I like them all equally, for different application. The Liquitex maintains the color intensity, whilst the others are muc lighter, but the lighter ones also are more liquefied and apply smoother. My project-specific use would depend solely on intended outcome.
Thanks for testing this. I had asked about the contrast medium, but I'm glad you tested multiple. Now to see how they work through an airbrush?
Really appreciate all the tests you guys are doing with these new paints. I am a heavy user of Contrast Paints as a base for oils, and these look like a good additional tool. Please keep testing various techniques and approaches!
Glad you're enjoying the content! We use a lot of citadel contrast paints & washes too - great stuff :) If you're familiar with those, you're already skilled with these as well!
I preferred A, pleased it was the AP one. Not expensive and easy to get here. Still, i'd try to find a homemade recipe.
I've seen two different recipes for homemade Contrast paints, the Goobertown one with 50/50 ink and medium with some flow improver added, and the Spikeybits one which used 50/50 flow-aid and medium to produce a Contrast-like medium which was then mixed with paint, both worked well (although i think Brent's version was more vivid because inks). So, i strongly believe we can make this at home as long as we have medium. My guess is that 50/50 Medium and Water with some flow-improver added would work well.
Since you do have the ingredients you might consider testing this :)
You can't make anything that even sort of approximates contrast at home. You can only make thick washes, which is fine but never nearly the same. Contrast has 11 or so different components that allow it to act as both a base coat and also a shade that separates out from the base, then settles in like a wash. Nothing anyone's ever made at home can do that at all and even Army Painter after years of research were unable to quite get there.
I've been using Golden Airbrush Medium, and it's been working really well. It's so nice and thin. It does take some experimentation on how much to use, because the paint is so heavily pigmented. (And I'm thinning most off of it that I try.)
I've already got contrast medium, so glad to see it works so well with the speedpaints! Thanks!
Glad I could help!
The pooling into reccesses happens thanks to a flow improver that is inside each of these, beside the pure Liquitex medium. You can always buy a separate flow improver to mix with the medium to achieve similar results to these ready-to-go products.
Not at all what's happening.
Just wait, we'll send you the Speedpaint Medium (Speedium didn't make the pass with HQ unfortunately) soon!
Right on! The quickshade wash medium works great, but I figured there was an even better one in the works :)
I like how the Army Painter one took the intensity out of the colour without destroying the coverage.
I hope they come out with a "Bulk" medium bottle, like a 120ml bottle of medium - I hate the tiny pots
Yeah, they already use much larger bottles for their airbrush medium, so no legit reason why they can't do that with a SP medium as well.
I'd try out a matte glaze medium. I suspect that's the best bet for this.
@@DMNKLR_official Yea I'd buy their airbrush medium sized bottle of the SP Medium in a hot minute
Thank for another great comparison video, very interesting to see all these combinations of mediums and speedpaint..
Would be interesting to see if you can dilute the paints even further (especially the brown) really wondering if you could do a light skin tone with it or use it over a flesh color to create a "weathered" face..
I think you could. They are really intense in color, and seem to mix really easily with mediums.
liquitex stuff looks better than the others to me thx for sharing 👍👍
Right on! And it's relatively inexpensive compared to the other 3!
Yeah, the Liquitex looks much better, less washed out.
I enjoy the deeper color, too, but I think they all have their appeal. I'm glad WIPI is doing this. No one else is.
@@gavinm894 It seems you didn't understand how work contrast paints so...it works with transparency and progressive fadings and liquitex medium doesn't match to reach the goal from what the contrast has been created because tone with liquitex is pretty even.
Im glad Im not the only one who thought it looked the best. But it will probably need to have more painting done after the fact.
This whole series has been fantastic. Thank you for doing all these deep dives.
Glad you're liking them :D
I think the differences are subtle enough that the economy of scale that comes with giant bottle of liqutex sways my opinion.
Can't go wrong with Liquitex!
Sure if you are just batch painting for tabletop and don't have super high standards, art store bulk acrylic medium will save a few pennies and let you make good washes (but can't do what contrast or speedpaints do at all).
Thank you for all the test! Could you test them on large flat panel, like on a tank, compared the Citadel Contrast?
That's something we're working on :) I just need to get off my procrastinating butt and put my airbrush back together.
Nice one! Would have been interesting to see the comparison made with a thicker paint that isn't already made to flow and pool easily.
Apparently AP will be releasing a mixing medium for speed paint.
Right on!
AP have stated earlier that there is 23 different colors + 1 Speedpaint mixing medium in the complete set
Interesting. Would've liked to see some more variety. I mostly use Scale75 and Schmincke medium. Also thinner and flow improver would be nice to see.
Lahmian medium is just 10% Liquitex matte medium - 90% distilled water and 2 or 3 drops of Liquitex flow aid or glycerine.
Nooope.
@@ninjatango If so, tell me what it is please...
Im loving all the videos on the speed paints and because of your videos I will be getting the line when it comes out! I also wonder what they would look like on top of other primer colors other than white? Like black or gray primer with no zenithal?
Probably barely visible at all - same as contrast paints.
If you add a little flow improver to the liquitex it would probably behave just like the medium from AP and GW.
Nope.
This is a very cool video idea but you really need to re-do the test without using a wet palette. Just use hard plastic palette or any plastic really. As you said, these paints are not meant for a wet palette & so the speedpaint medium, paint, and ink are separating and bleeding through the palette membrane
If you could have seen the disastrous state of my plastic palette, you'd understand why I used the wet palette :) I used the paints as quick as possible to avoid inks bleeding out and the sponge was only damp, not soaked like I normally have it.
Thank you for your video!
this is a super helpful/awesome video - thank you very much for this!
When I used contrast paint I found it worked out well when mixed with airbrush thinner, so I'm wondering if it applies to speedpaint.
Vallejo thinner.
I use it for general painting makes paint smoother
I have some Vallejo thinner, and some AP airbrush thinner. I'll try those out!
I would say the most frequently asked question is "when are they available to buy ?"
Nowhere yet afaik. COming out in february next year according to my shop.
I looked online, and it says "February" at most stores
I wonder why no Christmas release
What a fantastic review! You covered just about every metric I wanted here. When AP comes out with their "Speedium" can you do a test mixed with contrast paint AND speed paint. That would be cool because I think we all have a bottle of Dark Angels green contrast paint sitting around just wondering how we are going to use that gloop.
That's a good idea :) Also, glad you liked the review!
Does Vallejo have an alternative for Contrast Medium? Is it possible to dilute the "contrast" (analogues) with something else besides this medium with the same effect?
You can use contrast mediums from other paint companies. They all work in similar ways.
@@WatchItPaintIt It turns out that a contrast medium is needed? vallejo has it, but this new product hasn't made it to my country yet. I mean, can it be replaced with something from the existing line? Glaze, matte, thinner and other mediums.
i picked D.
Just FYI, if you pause the speedpaint trailer video and look at the mega paint box, you can see a Speedpaint Medium bottle. So yes, it has a special medium. 😀
Ahh! I should have done that. I just heard from Army Painter themselves that they DO in fact have a special medium. Can't wait to play around with it!
I could not decide between A and B discounted C and d straight away
Having experimented with Speedpaints quite a bit now, including with its own medium, I've actually wound up preferring it mixed with Lahmian Medium. It makes it very runny, but if you're a little careful with how you put it on you can get an extremely smooth finish with dramatic contrast. Just don't overload the model like you might with Speedpaint alone otherwise it does pool at the bottom of surfaces. You need less paint to get the same effect, and it's less likely to result in a blotchy finish.
Picked Army Painter and Lahmian in that order.
What is verdix of best varnish? Currently have liquidex matte varnish for the cost. Do u best brush on spray on?
Cant wait to get them myself! Can you tell from what board game are the minis? They look great.
Yes - these are from Bloodborne from CMON games. Here's the link if you're interested: www.cmon.com/product/bloodborne-the-board-game
What may be the prime purpose for adding "medium" to the speed paint? Thin it out? longer drying time? Your thoughts are welcomed.
For me personally, just to thin it down, make it less dark. The drying time seems good, no need to add slow-dry mediums or anything like that :)
Is one supposed to mix speed paints/ contrast paints with a medium?
None of these is the official one, but Citadel contrast medium is what mixes with GW's brand of contrast paints.
The liquitex needs to be mixed with a drop of flow improver and some water.. the components of the other mediums to work perfectly and at a fraction of the cost.. it's not a big industry secret whats in them at this point
Yes it is in fact. Generic acrylic medium and water or flow improver don't do the same thing at all.
I like the Liquitex. I bet it cost a lot less and can be thinned with a bit of water to better mimic the performance of the others.
It doesn't though.
Great stuff friends 👏 👍
Thank you Mark!
Seems to me Liquitex Matte would be a good way of turning Transparent paints more opaque?
I don't think it would make paints more opaque, but it's quite thick, so it might make speedpaints/glazes go on thicker.
What models are those? They look awesome!
They're from Bloodborne: The Board Game
I would like to see how this mediums perform mixed with regular paints, not speedpaint
Just makes a wash that's thicker and clings more, and dries to a very flat finish. Good to have but not remotely comparable to what Contrast is.
I like the liquitex one
Yeah, to me it maintained a rich color that the others seemed to lose in exchange for more pronounced contrast.
when your painting the best medium is the one you have....
how about water?
👍
Matte medium is just pigment free paint
Lithium medium is just matte medium and water in a set ratio.
Nope and nope.
I wish you had been able to test vallejo and golden mediums.
Curious why the Speedpaint medium wasn't included in the test.
We didn’t have it! Not even sure we knew they were making it at the time. Did these tests quite a long time ago with samples
So if i understand, lahmian and speed mixing medium are same ?
No - I "think" speedpaint mixing medium also contains a thinner that makes it run off and pool in the recesses. Lamian Medium is a matte paint medium that doesn't thin the paint, it just dilutes the pigment.
Speedpaint medium is quite different to the other mediums, even contrast medium. It seems to reduce the surface tension of any paint you put it in. Putting speedpaint medium into contrast paint turns it into a super runny wash, basically. It's weird stuff.
It's really hard for me to pick which is best through the images.
“A very light Gray called Corax White”
I came here to make fun of this, but then I Googled it, and wow, I feel lied to. I almost want to boycott GW for this alone, lol.
Haha I know. It's "almost" pure white. But like someone put a tiny drop of grey in there.
Pretty sure army painter is releasing the big set with medium.
What miniature is that?
These are from the board game Bloodborne by CMON games. They were part of a kickstarter a year or 2 ago. www.cmon.com/product/bloodborne-the-board-game/bloodborne-the-board-game
Look like sackboys from bloodborne
Since I'm not painting for competitions, I choose Liquitex due to the far cheaper cost. Consequently, I'm getting stunning results using flow aid, matte medium and art store inks. Works the same as Contrast and Speedpaints
Right on! Once you get the feel for certain products and how they work, you're golden. Liquitex is a fantastic brand, it just works a bit differently than other brands.
No it doesn't.
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I would have gone either for A or D, sucks that I only own Lahmian and Contrast mediums! :P
I don’t mean to be snarky but I feel that this video demonstrates a lack of understanding of paint chemistry and what the word ‘contrast’ actually means. Nevertheless, thank you for sharing.
The word contrast is irrelevant, what's relevant is the BRAND Contrast that's being discussed. A proprietary formula that's an opaque base coat and ink-wash style shade in one pot that applies in one step to give a base color and a second, deeper color that separates out into the shadow areas. It has never been successfully reverse engineered or figured out and the only imitators are using a different, roughly comparable formula.
Am I missing something? The liquitex one was the only one which looked like you could get away with 2 coats and seemed to put more contrast in the recesses. They all seamed pretty bad as contrast paint but could be useful for doing layering.
Are these Bloodborne models? Awesome video, really helpful
Yes they are!