"I don't know" is one of the smartest and honest answers anyone can give. The "caller: sugar muffin" on the call screen was the greatest part of the entire video 😂😂
He doesn't even know, what that gibberish means. He downloaded a script from the Internet and gets angry everytime, nobody follows his script and he has to think for his own.
This caller is one known in these circles as "Darth Dawkins". He is a well-known and reviled, dishonest apologist, he has a long history of disingenuously arguing with hosts, lying, poorly attempting to manipulate people, and generally being a nuisance to be hung up on, all while living out of his mother's basement.
@@gainer83 Yes, especially Thomas, who seemed to take ages just to understand the question, and whined ad nauseam. Is Darth a dishonest presup dirtbag? No doubt. But he's also a bulldog, and these two chihuahuas were not equipped to take him down.
@@BertRussell4711 Nah, he's a bully that says VAGUE Crap, and jumps on people when they want him to make clear what he's asking, because even Darth Dawkins has no clue what he's asking. His question makes ZERO Sense.
He’s a fart sniffer, high on his own gaseous expulsions, on top of being dishonest, whiny, immature and apparently incapable of respectful human interaction.
People complain about Matt hanging up quickly or not letting people talk ...this is why. Because this is what happens if you don't control the callers.
Agree. I stopped watching 1/3 of the way through because trying to have a conversation with this guy is like trying to get the light switch just right for the lights to be half on, half off. It's not possible for him to have any other state of mind than the one he came in with.
Facts. Yeah like all apologists, they don't actually intend for themselves or you to do any sort of critical thinking, despite how they dress up their arguments, and try to couch them in fancy wording. It always seems to boil down to "believe because belief! No stop asking questions, only believe!"
Tell him if he wants to be a “good teacher” he’s going to need to reword his question for better understanding. Clearly all he can do is reread from a script in condescending tones.
The hosts do the same thing. The problem wasn't the elaboration it was blatantly not answering the question asked. they kept assuming he was getting at the creation of the universe but he really wasn't asking that question at all.
I share a name with one of the hosts, you'll never guess which one, but I can tell you I felt really uncomfortable. I'm always impressed the way the hosts handle passive-aggression and still invite people to call back.
I occasionally am in the mood to see a dishonest Christian apologist get flounced, his calls are definitely one of the more inane and annoying, though, for sure.
This is the most annoying part of presups. They’re just so smug and think they’re so much smarter than everyone else in the room. They ask for you to justify anything, but when you ask clarifying questions they just yell and scream about how you don’t have justification for your views
All i hear is "That answer is not in my script, therefore it's not a valid answer!" Also, all that repetetive bullshit to just try to get to a "God of the gaps" argument...
"do you believe something is fundamentally absolute"="do you believe a god exists?" "You don't have a grounding for logic without this absolute." ="you either believe my god exists or your wrong." he's arguing for a god, without arguing for a god and demanding you to disprove a god "in a world view" where god exists. it's dishonest and disgusting.
Same way the contingency argument works. The universe must have a noncontingent cause. What is contingent? Everything except my god. He is no contingent by definition.
@@isidoreaerys8745 that's just defining god into existence. fallacious reasoning. reality exists because something has to exist since there being a pure nothing is impossible. even if you try to define a nothing, it becomes a something so that's a contradiction and it doesn't work. a god creating a reality ends up being circular and bears a giant burden of proof that no one has ever been able to supply. since you have to demonstrate that a god exists, that it can create the universe, and that it did, and how it did. would you like to try?
@@isidoreaerys8745Of all of the contingency arguments I've looked at, none successfully get past "There must be something upon which everything else is contingent." Each has issues when trying to include God. My favorite is the one about Limits. "All limited things are contingent" therefore by negation, "if not contingent, then unlimited." Besides being a Black Swan fallacy, trying to say "hmm, unlimited sounds like God" is not an argument. Even worse though, the same logic disproves many aspects of God. Example: "All thinking agents and minds (subset of limited things) are contingent. Therefore if not contingent, then not a thinking agent nor mind." Sure doesn't sound like God to me
Darth is so fundamentally uninteresting and on tracks that if you have hear it once, you have heard it all. It's the embodiment of Dunning Kruger and the negative side effects of knowing a little, but not enough, philosophy.
I agree, except for one point. Darth strikes me as one of those scammer religious people, aka a cult leader. Someone who *knows* that what they're pedaling, is not true or real. But that doesn't matter, only gaining converts, power, money, control, matters.
42:25 Bro is unhinged and keeps yelling about the "question begging" logical fallacy Then has the audacity to admit he believes in curcular reasoning Ffffff this guys disingenuious nostrils
Half a minute in, I started tallying him, asking the exact same question over and over. I'm at minute 33 now, and a score of *37* (thirty-seven!!) times repeating it worldly, when I hear him say: _''So, my question is...''_ (to then, of course, go for number 38), and I'm like: ''I'm not gonna keep this up till the end.'' It also made me wonder, considering he didn't seem to notice the _effect_ his question generated _(caused),_ if _he_ thought that cause and effect was a thing, because, if he _doesn't,_ his notion of a torture death blood sacrifice on the cross as being the cause that effects our eternal salvation (or lack thereof), becomes quite _'absurd'_ as well, doesn't it? ps (edit): repeating one's interlocutor's name over and over again too (''you do know, Thomas, that that isn't reasonable, don't you Thomas''), shows what a pompous smug you're dealing with.
This show should have a contest where the listeners send in images of what we think the caller looks like. Most would probably be mean spirited but I think a few would surprise you.
This guy is incredibly exhausting. He seemed so adamant to make them go down a certain pathway. He also asked a very ambiguous question and tried to force a 1 of 2 answer, which doesn't apply to the question in my opinion.
Honestly, one of the most frustrating interactions I've ever seen on this show, this guy really needs to learn how to listen to questions and understand when somebody gives you an answer, the best answer that they can mind you. Unfortunately, they're not going to answer differently if you ask the question again
This is Darth Dawkins. Goes by a lot of pseudonyms . Real name Gary, but no matter the name he's just an insufferable moron that gets off on being annoying. No matter how many times he's shown to be an incompetent interlocutor he never changes. Which to me suggests he's just a troll. ... Or just stupid.
I love the false dichotomy of "you either believe there's a fundamental noncontingent absolute or you only believe anything else on faith" INSANELY wild
EF never once actually explained how his worldview makes sense. He simply makes assertions that aren't backed by evidence. He takes all of that on blind faith, while at the same time denigrating blind faith.
The irony of the caller appealing to an argument from ignorance fallacy is hilarious and annoying. He THINKS his argument doesn't come to reductio ad absurdum but that simply means he's assuming from that his is correct, false dichotomy and argument from ignorance. His attitude would have me ban him from calling
EF is obviously reading from a script as he is incapable of rephrasing his question. I doubt he knows himself what he is going about. Dear me, this guy is irritating! And to top it off he is a coward.
You know, some might rule this as some kind of phallacy or poor argumentation, but I'm going to go ahead and rule this is valid. Can I get any seconds, or statements in further support of this argument?
Why did y’all let this idiot run his mouth for so long? He wasn’t interested in having a conversation. He just wanted to “win”. The best way to deal with people like this is to not take them serious and to let them get to the end of their interrogation and just say “hey you got me! Thanks for the call!”
Exactly. These people are freaking destroying the world because they are so afraid of dying that they must believe that someone is coming to save them from death and wisk them into heaven! We lost RVSW because of tyrannical, brain dead idiots like EP!
It is Darthy for sure. You can tell, because of the tone of his voice, his absolutely irrational sense of smug superiority, and his unhinged ranting and whining whenever someone says anything other than "yes" or "no" in answer to anything he reads from his stupid script.
and he doesn't pause mysteriously to wait for his discord server to tell him how to respond 🙄 That's a giveaway for callers that sound suspiciously like his script
Satan said DD's recess time is over. He needs to quit torturing the hosts for support, and get back to his real job . of torturing people for eternity.
Since Darth Dawkins thinks saying I don’t know to a question equals, you can’t question anything he says cause “you can’t know It absolutely” then his reason is “trust me bro”
Never seen him rise above absolute absurdity in service to be rude, call people "sugar muffins", and irrationally defend his chosen belief. Truly pleasing the lord with your testimony there, Gary.
The part that gets me is that his argument really just boils down to "If god isn't real, then we can't know things for certain." But that's not actually an argument for the existence of a god! It's just a declaration that you don't like the consequences of being wrong. Well, too bad, my dude. "I don't want to be wrong" is never evidence that you're right about something. "If my business partner is cheating me, then the foundation of our company isn't certain. Therefore I'm justified in believing with 100% certainty that those unlabeled "business expenses" he keeps accruing on those trips to Atlantic City are legitimate." "If my wife isn't faithful, then the foundation of our marriage isn't certain. Therefore, I'm justified in believing with 100% certainty that she's just doing naked screaming aerobics with her best friend Sally every day like she says."
Somebody needs to make a playlist of EF's calls. Sometimes I need to be enraged at someone, and this guy is perfect for that. He refuses to engage and things he knows all. It's astounding. Condescending isn't a strong enough word.
This was possibly one of the most infuriating calls to listen through. SO many times I was just yelling for the caller to just shut up and hear an argument out, then he rants about how people talk over him without actually making any points while thinking he was being quite clever.
Why is it that I can prove to someone in two seconds that I stepped on a dog turd, but I would need a philosophy degree to attempt to prove the existence of a god?
I wonder if he realizes that his argument simply leads to "no-one can know anything with certainly", which includes everything HE wants to believe as well.
The argument around the 55:00 mark about provisional measurements is dishonest. Measurements may be inaccurate... they may not signify what we think they do... but they will be valid. Also notice that EF slipped in a category change. He went from scientific measurements to scientific conclusions.
Jamie and Tom should hava a medal for the patience they conjured up here to show the viewers how severely religious thought can poison a person’s thinking
"You are not understanding my question" = "you are not giving the answer I want to trap you into giving" 😂 It is just an eyeglazing, boring, script of utter world salad. I reject evidence requires anything ultimate. Evidence is a demonstration that something is true or likely true, not absolutely certain. His assertion that something ultimate is required carries a burden of proof and needs to be demonstrated. And then he appeals to hard solopsism a lot. And he seems to want to equivocate being atheist to being dependent on "faith", i.e. no more different from religion. Which is nonsense, because atheist is a rejection of a belief claim!
EF’s form of argument: “What number do you use faith to believe is the number between 4 and 6?” “5 is the number we all say is between 4 and 6.” “So you use faith? What is your logical rationale?” “I told you my rationale, it’s because it’s the number we all say lies between 4 and 6.” “You’re begging the question.” “Huh?” “Why won’t you answer my question?” “I did. What number do you think is between 4 and 6?” “I won’t answer because you didn’t but all numbers are God.” “What?”
Definitional example of what trying to railroad a conversation to a pre thought out script looks like. He wants the exact statement that will trigger his next script point, and won't engage with alternatives. Absolute npc behaviour.
Presups always hilariously forget that they used their eyesight to read the Bible. They're in the same hole; they'd have to presuppose the laws of nature to coherently give meaning to their senses BEFORE confronting the Bible. The argument is that we're on the hook for accepting exactly the same axioms as them, but fewer; for this to hold, they must then justify literally all of their accepted axioms. No cheating, either; they need to justify their senses and the laws of logic without god, because they needed those in order to presume god.
This is where too many conversations end up in. Since everything scientific ends up perceived by our human limitations, it's all a matter of faith to rely on those. That's why my feelings about messages being implanted in my brain by an almighty entity are just as reliable. The point should be the testable repetition of such events. If doing the same experiments over and over give us an expected result, congrats, the PERCEPTION is consistent. If whatever personal message has to be patched and it doesn't always work in the same way and also the results may vary and could but is not always a shared experienced but also I kinda have to make up the "why" it happens because I can't really verify if my narrative is correct, then I'm afraid that it's a case where repetition is just not consistent, therefore it MIGHT be true, but there's no way to PERCEIVE it as such. In both cases we use human perception, but one of them is RELIABLE in the sense that patterns are consistent.
Holy fuck this is so painful. If I heard that DD got murdered by his entire family, Julius Caesar style, I would not be surprised. He is just un-fucking bearable
I remember this segment from its original airing, at a time when I had already become familiar with the voice and script of Gary Milne (DD). Such a boring and pointless argument. This time, it was intriguing to note that about ten minutes in I was distracted for a while and expected, on my return, to have to catch up. Unnecessary. Darth's script had hardly moved on; just the same old pseudo philosophical junk we've all heard over and again, and in the case of a realist, incomprehensibly irrelevant in justifying atheism. I'll keep watching, though no guarantee I can stomach all of it, other than to stand shoulder to shoulder with Thomas and Jamie. BTW @MarioWagner I too saw DD v. Shannon Q. It was delicious.
This guy was a waste of time. He wouldn't listen and just repated the same thing. He's says science has to be 100% to be reliable at all, and that his book with contradicting accounts, that he admits are there, is automatically true. This was a wasted hour.
Kid at this guy's church, "mommy why is that old man so mad all the time? Where did Mrs. E.F. and the kids go? Why is he alone all the time?" Kids mother, "we dont ask questions. Its gods will. But he is not a happy person, so we will pray for Mr. E.F." (😂😂😂😂
Oh my God. Ok so he gave the biggest false dichotomy ever pretty early on: either you have a deductive methodology, or you believe by blind faith. What Thomas was getting at was that he uses inductive reasoning. The entire thing is just one big false dichotomy. I wish someone would have pointed this out.
When the atheists understand the script better than the script reader.
"I don't know" is one of the smartest and honest answers anyone can give.
The "caller: sugar muffin" on the call screen was the greatest part of the entire video 😂😂
55:55 😻 I just saw this comment seconds before it changed to it so I had to add the timestamp
If this guy was my father, I would have to run away at 5 years old
You would have been smarter that your father at 5 years old!
Apparently his whole family want nothing to do with him.
Completely justified, seeing as he was physically abusive to his family.
@@RealJiffyCones Wait, what?
@@Paranitis Yep. He beat his child.
He doesn't even know, what that gibberish means. He downloaded a script from the Internet and gets angry everytime, nobody follows his script and he has to think for his own.
It seems like maybe he’s the guy who wrote the script 🤪
these two hosts sucks, we need matt.
This caller is one known in these circles as "Darth Dawkins". He is a well-known and reviled, dishonest apologist, he has a long history of disingenuously arguing with hosts, lying, poorly attempting to manipulate people, and generally being a nuisance to be hung up on, all while living out of his mother's basement.
@@gainer83 Yes, especially Thomas, who seemed to take ages just to understand the question, and whined ad nauseam. Is Darth a dishonest presup dirtbag? No doubt. But he's also a bulldog, and these two chihuahuas were not equipped to take him down.
@@BertRussell4711 Nah, he's a bully that says VAGUE Crap, and jumps on people when they want him to make clear what he's asking, because even Darth Dawkins has no clue what he's asking. His question makes ZERO Sense.
EF: I have the best words. I know all the words. No one has as good words as me
Poster child for Aggressive Ignorance.
“I don’t understand and I have to protect my children from understanding!”
*cant let the hosts get through a single sentence without interrupting*
"How dare you ask me questions!"
-DD the *greatest* master debator
master bator perhaps
@@petermeichan3160way to ruin an otherwise good joke
Man Darth REALLY can't handle it when people don't stick to his script 😂
I KNEW that voice was familiar!
He’s a fart sniffer, high on his own gaseous expulsions, on top of being dishonest, whiny, immature and apparently incapable of respectful human interaction.
He was upset he couldnt mute and kick them
I'm less than 5 min in, and you're saying WHO is on the other end?!?! The title is fitting. 🤣🤣
I hope you guys can learn to end the call when you’ve hit the same argument for the 500th time without getting anywhere.
People complain about Matt hanging up quickly or not letting people talk ...this is why. Because this is what happens if you don't control the callers.
Jamie was sometimes persistent or good faith to a fault. There are people you can't get to talk and you need to accept that.
Agree. I stopped watching 1/3 of the way through because trying to have a conversation with this guy is like trying to get the light switch just right for the lights to be half on, half off. It's not possible for him to have any other state of mind than the one he came in with.
Yeah, that's my problem, and I don't think that Thomas was the main perpetrator. It really makes the show boring for us.
@@theonlyendlesscircle he was only picking on Thomas because he knew he couldn't crack Jamie. This guy is worse than the euthyphro dialogue.
DD just wants you to answer yes or no and never elaborate. That's because he has a rigid script he tries to lead people down.
Facts. Yeah like all apologists, they don't actually intend for themselves or you to do any sort of critical thinking, despite how they dress up their arguments, and try to couch them in fancy wording. It always seems to boil down to "believe because belief! No stop asking questions, only believe!"
Tell him if he wants to be a “good teacher” he’s going to need to reword his question for better understanding. Clearly all he can do is reread from a script in condescending tones.
Did he do one day of work writing this script like a decade ago, and has been running a grift off of it on his fan boys ever since?
The hosts do the same thing. The problem wasn't the elaboration it was blatantly not answering the question asked. they kept assuming he was getting at the creation of the universe but he really wasn't asking that question at all.
@@quotedoteshaha yup it’s like “hey DD did you stop beating your wife? Yes or no” 😂😂
There is no respect in his use of their names. It’s an abusively condescending manipulation tactic.
He's a control freak which is why he's attracted to his flavor of Christianity.
Yes, I think that is a Boomer tactic of argument.
"Is there any such thing as "absolute," Mr Anderson..."
I share a name with one of the hosts, you'll never guess which one, but I can tell you I felt really uncomfortable. I'm always impressed the way the hosts handle passive-aggression and still invite people to call back.
Ah, it's DD, so I'm not going to waste more than the 30 seconds it took me to recognise him/they/her/it on this.
I had the displeasure to speak with dd a few years back and he's so intolerable
Get it but I'm in the mood
I occasionally am in the mood to see a dishonest Christian apologist get flounced, his calls are definitely one of the more inane and annoying, though, for sure.
Is DD Darth Dawkins?
Dd is the moat ridiculous person asking the EXACT same question for years. I wouldn't waste my time
This is the most annoying part of presups. They’re just so smug and think they’re so much smarter than everyone else in the room. They ask for you to justify anything, but when you ask clarifying questions they just yell and scream about how you don’t have justification for your views
Please don't let this guy on again, he is frustrating. He can't see when he is committing a fallacy.
I would kill to be a tenth as intelligent as Darth Dipsh1t thinks he is
All i hear is "That answer is not in my script, therefore it's not a valid answer!"
Also, all that repetetive bullshit to just try to get to a "God of the gaps" argument...
He learn difficult word but can't explaine the same thing with other words. He wants to be somebody who knows difficult words. 😵💫
I’ve never wanted to punch a voice so badly
"do you believe something is fundamentally absolute"="do you believe a god exists?"
"You don't have a grounding for logic without this absolute." ="you either believe my god exists or your wrong."
he's arguing for a god, without arguing for a god and demanding you to disprove a god "in a world view" where god exists.
it's dishonest and disgusting.
Same way the contingency argument works.
The universe must have a noncontingent cause.
What is contingent?
Everything except my god. He is no contingent by definition.
@@isidoreaerys8745 that's just defining god into existence. fallacious reasoning.
reality exists because something has to exist since there being a pure nothing is impossible. even if you try to define a nothing, it becomes a something so that's a contradiction and it doesn't work.
a god creating a reality ends up being circular and bears a giant burden of proof that no one has ever been able to supply. since you have to demonstrate that a god exists, that it can create the universe, and that it did, and how it did.
would you like to try?
@@isidoreaerys8745Of all of the contingency arguments I've looked at, none successfully get past "There must be something upon which everything else is contingent." Each has issues when trying to include God.
My favorite is the one about Limits. "All limited things are contingent" therefore by negation, "if not contingent, then unlimited." Besides being a Black Swan fallacy, trying to say "hmm, unlimited sounds like God" is not an argument. Even worse though, the same logic disproves many aspects of God. Example: "All thinking agents and minds (subset of limited things) are contingent. Therefore if not contingent, then not a thinking agent nor mind." Sure doesn't sound like God to me
Darth is so fundamentally uninteresting and on tracks that if you have hear it once, you have heard it all.
It's the embodiment of Dunning Kruger and the negative side effects of knowing a little, but not enough, philosophy.
I agree, except for one point. Darth strikes me as one of those scammer religious people, aka a cult leader. Someone who *knows* that what they're pedaling, is not true or real. But that doesn't matter, only gaining converts, power, money, control, matters.
@@quotedotes 100%, he's too smart to believe what he claims to believe and he's just trying to baffle with BS.
42:25
Bro is unhinged and keeps yelling about the "question begging" logical fallacy
Then has the audacity to admit he believes in curcular reasoning
Ffffff this guys disingenuious nostrils
That's being Gary Milne = EF Dunkin' Atheism Darth Dawkins.
Correct: Gary "cult leader" Milne, coming to you live from his mother's basement.
Half a minute in, I started tallying him, asking the exact same question over and over. I'm at minute 33 now, and a score of *37* (thirty-seven!!) times repeating it worldly, when I hear him say: _''So, my question is...''_ (to then, of course, go for number 38), and I'm like: ''I'm not gonna keep this up till the end.'' It also made me wonder, considering he didn't seem to notice the _effect_ his question generated _(caused),_ if _he_ thought that cause and effect was a thing, because, if he _doesn't,_ his notion of a torture death blood sacrifice on the cross as being the cause that effects our eternal salvation (or lack thereof), becomes quite _'absurd'_ as well, doesn't it?
ps (edit): repeating one's interlocutor's name over and over again too (''you do know, Thomas, that that isn't reasonable, don't you Thomas''), shows what a pompous smug you're dealing with.
Good gods, I managed to get to the end of this one, where's my medal?
I'm tapping out at minute 42, I applaud you 🏅
@@lulolie A feat still worthy of commendation, I daresay; you've my salute!
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I need one too. This guy is monumentally insufferable.
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He just can't ever get off his script.
It's baffling U guys put up with this bull. He's an amateur filibuster
Imagine spending an eternity of existence with the likes of DD. Heaven sounds TRULY horrifying!
I'd kill myself to escape to Hell
Well said
God if he makes it in, and ALL queer people don't, I'm signing up with Satan right now
Hearing him. And being unable to stop it with a tap.
Holy shit, right? This guy is intolerable.
I hate these pseudointellectuals with loony philosophical questions....yawn...
The start of this is insane. They keep asking him to clarify and he keeps repeating the same question instead of explaining what he means by it.
The proper response to "I would like to finish my..." is "I don't care what you would like."
Darth Dorkins
Valid, and conceptually sound 💯
This show should have a contest where the listeners send in images of what we think the caller looks like. Most would probably be mean spirited but I think a few would surprise you.
This guy is incredibly exhausting. He seemed so adamant to make them go down a certain pathway. He also asked a very ambiguous question and tried to force a 1 of 2 answer, which doesn't apply to the question in my opinion.
Honestly, one of the most frustrating interactions I've ever seen on this show, this guy really needs to learn how to listen to questions and understand when somebody gives you an answer, the best answer that they can mind you. Unfortunately, they're not going to answer differently if you ask the question again
Did he just go to hard solipsism again then deny that he did it for f*ck sakes you gotta be joking me
This is Darth Dawkins. Goes by a lot of pseudonyms . Real name Gary, but no matter the name he's just an insufferable moron that gets off on being annoying. No matter how many times he's shown to be an incompetent interlocutor he never changes. Which to me suggests he's just a troll. ... Or just stupid.
@@HaloMaster1243yeah, DD pretty much always does that, it's pretty much his entire script
Ya, because he is trying to set a trap
The problem is their answers and the questions they ask don't follow his script
This caller always tries to create a question to make it look as though he is the smartest person in the room
He is closer to the dumbest person in the world.
Being falsifiable is a strength not a weakness of science
This is Gary Milne, a.k.a. Darth Dawkins. Poor guy cannot get out of his hamster wheel of stupidity and nonsense.
But he's so proud of his hamster wheel! Look at him go! Wheeeeee!!! 🐹
If he wasn't so insufferable I might find some pity for him.
But.. i cant.
I love the false dichotomy of "you either believe there's a fundamental noncontingent absolute or you only believe anything else on faith"
INSANELY wild
DD is an idiot. He is totally dishonest.
EF never once actually explained how his worldview makes sense. He simply makes assertions that aren't backed by evidence.
He takes all of that on blind faith, while at the same time denigrating blind faith.
And that is presups 🤷♂️
@@jonnowds That's...apologetics in general. It's just more obvious in Presup.
My blind faith is better than your blind faith.
I like to imagine DD runs a muffler shop and then ponder how a call about booking an appointment might go and at which level his screaming will peak
Stop trying to railroad us, sir. This is a boat.
The irony of the caller appealing to an argument from ignorance fallacy is hilarious and annoying. He THINKS his argument doesn't come to reductio ad absurdum but that simply means he's assuming from that his is correct, false dichotomy and argument from ignorance. His attitude would have me ban him from calling
EF is obviously reading from a script as he is incapable of rephrasing his question. I doubt he knows himself what he is going about. Dear me, this guy is irritating! And to top it off he is a coward.
Darth Dingus
You know, some might rule this as some kind of phallacy or poor argumentation, but I'm going to go ahead and rule this is valid.
Can I get any seconds, or statements in further support of this argument?
It's like being stuck in quicksand. I've met people like this, and still haven't figured out what to do with them.
He seems to think if something is observed we then stop observing it, and therefore stop adjusting our worldview. Making it absolute.
It´s fascinating how Darth refuses to answer any questions.
Every time this guy calls in, I lose brain cells.
Hands down the most dishonest caller I've ever heard.
Why did y’all let this idiot run his mouth for so long? He wasn’t interested in having a conversation. He just wanted to “win”. The best way to deal with people like this is to not take them serious and to let them get to the end of their interrogation and just say “hey you got me! Thanks for the call!”
Just an old man, scared of uncertainties.
He's a troll that always railroads the hosts with dishonest badgering questions
Exactly. These people are freaking destroying the world because they are so afraid of dying that they must believe that someone is coming to save them from death and wisk them into heaven! We lost RVSW because of tyrannical, brain dead idiots like EP!
Did this jerk ever play a game of pool!? All the evidence you need in causality! What a jerk
Pool's a 2 person game. He would need someone to stand to be in the room with him
1:48 This was when I knew this guy was a presup using the Darth Dawkins script, which made me go "Hey how can this call be an HOUR long?!"
I’m given to understand that IS Darth Derpins himself 🤪
It is Darthy for sure. You can tell, because of the tone of his voice, his absolutely irrational sense of smug superiority, and his unhinged ranting and whining whenever someone says anything other than "yes" or "no" in answer to anything he reads from his stupid script.
and he doesn't pause mysteriously to wait for his discord server to tell him how to respond 🙄
That's a giveaway for callers that sound suspiciously like his script
Satan just called on the other line.
He says he greatly appreciates everything EF is doing!
Satan said DD's recess time is over. He needs to quit torturing the hosts for support, and get back to his real job
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of torturing people for eternity.
Satan is more of a bro than to be on any side EF is on 😂
Since Darth Dawkins thinks saying I don’t know to a question equals, you can’t question anything he says cause “you can’t know
It absolutely” then his reason is “trust me bro”
Poor Darth can't actually state a coherent question.
Gary Milne’s absurd ‘argument’ never gets better than the utter nonsense level, does it?
Never seen him rise above absolute absurdity in service to be rude, call people "sugar muffins", and irrationally defend his chosen belief. Truly pleasing the lord with your testimony there, Gary.
@@quotedotes Absolutely on the money.
This guy is the reason a mute button was created.
The part that gets me is that his argument really just boils down to "If god isn't real, then we can't know things for certain." But that's not actually an argument for the existence of a god! It's just a declaration that you don't like the consequences of being wrong. Well, too bad, my dude. "I don't want to be wrong" is never evidence that you're right about something.
"If my business partner is cheating me, then the foundation of our company isn't certain. Therefore I'm justified in believing with 100% certainty that those unlabeled "business expenses" he keeps accruing on those trips to Atlantic City are legitimate."
"If my wife isn't faithful, then the foundation of our marriage isn't certain. Therefore, I'm justified in believing with 100% certainty that she's just doing naked screaming aerobics with her best friend Sally every day like she says."
EF needs to get out of his mother’s basement and get a job then figure out the mysteries of the universe.
I couldn't even finish this video. This caller is absolutely maddening and i can't believe y'all entertained him.
EF doesn't want an answer he wants a fight
Oh, gosh. This is painful. Can't watch it anymore, giving up after half of it.
This caller is a bully.
He can use all those big words but doesn't understand a simple question.😂😂😂 He would make me be an atheist if I wasn't already one
This guy is following a script that he does not understand himself.
He needs Thomas to give him the answer he has on his paper.
There's a nice discussion between Darth and Shannon Q and she drives him really mad.
The only Darth conversation worth listening to imho
@@fopishcockblocked by Shannon Q.
Would you have the title of that particular video at hand? I'd love to see Shannon drive DD mad :D
Shannon Q is vehemently against slavery, but she owned Dork Durkins like he was in the Antebellum South.
@@cy-oneJust look up Dunkin’ Atheism vs Shannon Q on Modern Day Debates. That should get you there
Somebody needs to make a playlist of EF's calls. Sometimes I need to be enraged at someone, and this guy is perfect for that. He refuses to engage and things he knows all. It's astounding. Condescending isn't a strong enough word.
This was possibly one of the most infuriating calls to listen through. SO many times I was just yelling for the caller to just shut up and hear an argument out, then he rants about how people talk over him without actually making any points while thinking he was being quite clever.
This is like people with no sense of precedence, how dare you propose a hypothetical
My brain got a stack overflow listening to this caller
Why is it that I can prove to someone in two seconds that I stepped on a dog turd, but I would need a philosophy degree to attempt to prove the existence of a god?
You don't need the degree its just much easier to try with one however one can be proven by our senses and one cannot
This guy is crazy! You two were so patient with him. I wonder how Matt would react to his...ridiculousnes... Did he ever call Matt's show?
I wonder if he realizes that his argument simply leads to "no-one can know anything with certainly", which includes everything HE wants to believe as well.
It’s petty but I get some satisfaction from the fact that DD (EF) CLEARLY has such a miserable, angry, isolated life.
The argument around the 55:00 mark about provisional measurements is dishonest. Measurements may be inaccurate... they may not signify what we think they do... but they will be valid.
Also notice that EF slipped in a category change. He went from scientific measurements to scientific conclusions.
Jamie and Tom should hava a medal for the patience they conjured up here to show the viewers how severely religious thought can poison a person’s thinking
He's talking. He's talking, guys. Excuse m- HE'S TALKING. Oh, are you gonna interrupt him aga- I SAID HE'S TALKING
"You are not understanding my question" = "you are not giving the answer I want to trap you into giving" 😂 It is just an eyeglazing, boring, script of utter world salad. I reject evidence requires anything ultimate. Evidence is a demonstration that something is true or likely true, not absolutely certain. His assertion that something ultimate is required carries a burden of proof and needs to be demonstrated. And then he appeals to hard solopsism a lot. And he seems to want to equivocate being atheist to being dependent on "faith", i.e. no more different from religion. Which is nonsense, because atheist is a rejection of a belief claim!
Man! That caller lost really all his marbles!
EF’s form of argument: “What number do you use faith to believe is the number between 4 and 6?”
“5 is the number we all say is between 4 and 6.”
“So you use faith? What is your logical rationale?”
“I told you my rationale, it’s because it’s the number we all say lies between 4 and 6.”
“You’re begging the question.”
“Huh?”
“Why won’t you answer my question?”
“I did. What number do you think is between 4 and 6?”
“I won’t answer because you didn’t but all numbers are God.”
“What?”
-do you believe there is an infinite regress?
-I don't know
-I'm not talking about that
And how did darth get his natural and special revelation?
Through his senses ffs!!
Definitional example of what trying to railroad a conversation to a pre thought out script looks like. He wants the exact statement that will trigger his next script point, and won't engage with alternatives. Absolute npc behaviour.
If he doesn't accept the validity of logic, why does he keep complaining that the hosts are committing logical fallacies?
Oh it's Darth Dawkins!
Presups always hilariously forget that they used their eyesight to read the Bible. They're in the same hole; they'd have to presuppose the laws of nature to coherently give meaning to their senses BEFORE confronting the Bible. The argument is that we're on the hook for accepting exactly the same axioms as them, but fewer; for this to hold, they must then justify literally all of their accepted axioms. No cheating, either; they need to justify their senses and the laws of logic without god, because they needed those in order to presume god.
“Accept my worldview so you can be a douche like me” says the caller
Reading from a script to get a I got ya.
I swear to god I had this conversation the other day!
Fuuny how Darth freaks out when thrown off his script 😂😂😂
29:00
How does one know ANYTHING beyond our perceptions??
This is where too many conversations end up in. Since everything scientific ends up perceived by our human limitations, it's all a matter of faith to rely on those. That's why my feelings about messages being implanted in my brain by an almighty entity are just as reliable.
The point should be the testable repetition of such events. If doing the same experiments over and over give us an expected result, congrats, the PERCEPTION is consistent. If whatever personal message has to be patched and it doesn't always work in the same way and also the results may vary and could but is not always a shared experienced but also I kinda have to make up the "why" it happens because I can't really verify if my narrative is correct, then I'm afraid that it's a case where repetition is just not consistent, therefore it MIGHT be true, but there's no way to PERCEIVE it as such.
In both cases we use human perception, but one of them is RELIABLE in the sense that patterns are consistent.
@@Germanchu92
Correct! Unlike personal revelation, physical manifestations can be sensed repeatedly and en masse.
Apparently, vacuously asserting that you can is sufficient?
Holy fuck this is so painful. If I heard that DD got murdered by his entire family, Julius Caesar style, I would not be surprised. He is just un-fucking bearable
I remember this segment from its original airing, at a time when I had already become familiar with the voice and script of Gary Milne (DD). Such a boring and pointless argument. This time, it was intriguing to note that about ten minutes in I was distracted for a while and expected, on my return, to have to catch up. Unnecessary. Darth's script had hardly moved on; just the same old pseudo philosophical junk we've all heard over and again, and in the case of a realist, incomprehensibly irrelevant in justifying atheism. I'll keep watching, though no guarantee I can stomach all of it, other than to stand shoulder to shoulder with Thomas and Jamie. BTW @MarioWagner I too saw DD v. Shannon Q. It was delicious.
Scientific Method >> Because it works.
"Christianity is true because I'm a jerk!" Summed it up nicely.
This guy was a waste of time. He wouldn't listen and just repated the same thing. He's says science has to be 100% to be reliable at all, and that his book with contradicting accounts, that he admits are there, is automatically true. This was a wasted hour.
I don't think I hated a caller to any show ever more
Isn't most of his argument from a presupposition?
Kid at this guy's church, "mommy why is that old man so mad all the time? Where did Mrs. E.F. and the kids go? Why is he alone all the time?" Kids mother, "we dont ask questions. Its gods will. But he is not a happy person, so we will pray for Mr. E.F."
(😂😂😂😂
Oh my God.
Ok so he gave the biggest false dichotomy ever pretty early on: either you have a deductive methodology, or you believe by blind faith.
What Thomas was getting at was that he uses inductive reasoning.
The entire thing is just one big false dichotomy. I wish someone would have pointed this out.