He doesn't even know an incel is. Just like he didn't know what a fascist was, when Alan Moore called superheroes fascists. The movie having long shots is not bad, you can personally not like it but the shots are there for atmosphere. The action isn't flashy, but it's shot and choreographed very well, no shaky cam, the fights look real, you can tell what's going on. They're objectively well done action scenes.
It's the FIRST batman movie ever made. Gotham was actually dark and rainy, not a sunny chicago. Batman was a trauma victim who actually did detective work.
In your defense, as I see others chastising you, what they fail to realize is your challenging them to think. You’re very thoughtful and have a deep perspective of cinema. I appreciate what you do. Don’t ever stop. On the Batman note…I never looked at Batman so differently until you explained the generational connection. Blew my mind. I don’t even know that the directors were intentionally thinking of this when they created their own vision. But I can not un-see it now.
A archetypal bear walks into an archetypal bar and asks the archetypal barmaid "Can I have an archetypal pint of the usual and a packet.........................of archetypal peanuts?" To which the barmaid responds, archetypally, "Sure. But why the big pause?"
@@CMDR_Verm She hates you telling her the joke because she already laughed herself silly when I told it to her after we'd finished making sweet-sweet lerve.
I think this is a great analysis, although i dont agree with your personal opinions on Action Movies. I loved Nolans Batman, and still have DK as my favourite, but even i can tell that shaky camera for every punch wasnt the best choice to show figthing skills, and i believe The Batman does it way better. Low stakes thouh, and thats in part for the aim of the movie. This Batman is not really figthing criminals (he is, but he isnt), he is figthing an idea of impotence agency. In every generation Batman figths the corrupt, the ones who profit from the fall of society, but that idea changes in every decade. This one is in fact figthing the new corruption of Gotham, and is the old men who hurt women, as much as the young men who feel entitled to violence because of their dissapointment. I believe this makes a very powerful scene when Batman realises he has been doing the same, and needs to become something else. Thats also the point, this is a chapter 1, and ends with Batman, for the first time in a movie, getting out of the shadows and into dayligth, choosing not being vengeance, but hope. So yeah, Batman, and Bruce, are ment to grow out of this "incel" generation persona, into something better. Having said this....i do believe to name an entire cultural generation "incel" is cruel and unusual. Also innacurate. Most of men wont remain Involuntarely Celivate. It just wont happen. But, yes, there is a sense of being mentaly, psychologically, cstrated. As men has lost is former cultural position, the struggle is to find the new parameters, the new way to be a man, no longer the muscular action hero, but somethnig else. It will take its time. Its an era of a damaged man, or a lost man, one with a lot of rage for having to seek an answer that former generations didnt had to. But incel... well, not really. To use that as a denomination would be as innapropiate as to call a mentally challenged person, a member of a "idiotic" group. Is just unfair in its mocking description. Great video anyway. Have a good day.
Incel is the perfect word to describe this generation of young men. Something like 80% of men remain virgins their entire 20s, whilst something like 80% of women have a boyfriend whilst in their super-early 20s (20-21), and 95% of women have slept with a guy before they are 30. And women tend to only 'date' guys three years older than them, so it isn't the older men taking all young women. So what is it? It is rather simple; 20% of males are sleeping with 80+% of women, and these men are dating multiple women at the same time whilst the women perceive the relationship as 'monogamous.' So rather than calling an entire [...] generation _incel_ being 'inaccurate,' as you claim, it is the exact opposite; it is _super-accurate;_ it cannot be anymore accurate than it is! This is a result of the sexual liberation of women; it is rather simple, since females are the sexual selectors. They tend to choose the higher quality males, so in a society with the sexual liberation of women, natural harems tend to develop. Since women are the sexual selectors, they would rather select for the highest quality male and share him with other females than settle for a lower quality male but be exclusive with him. It is that simple so when you are against saying 'incel,' what you are really against is the sexual liberation of women. I, for one, am all for it, as it makes getting with women super easy (not even an inconvenience), because being at the top means you have no competition and girls instead compete to get with you, whereas at the normal spectrum of things, men compete to get with women. I shall say it again; at the highest levels, females compete to get with males, and multiple females end up selecting a single male and do not care that they are sharing him with other females. The fact that if females are sexually liberated naturally leads to a harem is what is responsible for why many societies instead have the father arrange marriages by giving their daughter away to an upstanding young male (that wouldn't be a top sexual pick). Women select for men that gives them the most sexual pleasure, which is why plenty of women will stay with a man that abuses them; it is because the sex is far too good for them to willingly give up. I know in our emasculated society, we must pretend as if the sexual liberation of women is nothing but positives, but everything has pros and cons; the sexual liberation of men also has pros and cons, and that can be freely discussed in society, but the moment one starts exposing the nature and effects of the sexual liberation of women, suddenly you are cancelled; this shows, beyond all doubt, that we live in a female-controlled society; such a society double-speaks constantly, where it says one thing, but behaves in the exact opposite. An example of this is the aforementioned topic; this is how they maintain power, for if we were able to discuss freely and openly, it would expose the blatant control women have over society and men. Just because men hold 'overt' power 'out in the open' does not mean that men are in control; women control men in litearlly every other avenue that is not 'overt;' they control his decisions behind the scenes in social settings; they have 'soft power' via acting thru back channels; they can sway the decision of immense bodies of men in a near instant, and they can do so with outright ease. Women control the cultural zeitgeist, and they control the Overton window.
Hmm...You bring an excellent framework to analyse Matt Reeves' Batman. But, you make broad generalizations in setting up this archetype about Batman. My understanding has been that Matt Reeves shows us a Batman/Bruce Wayne who is every bit traumatised and sociopath as the villains. With Alfred acting as some sort of moral check. There is a tendency in good Batman story tellers to make Batman confront a villain, only to realise that the failure of the first encounter is because Batman had considered the villain as some thug to beat. Then he starts realising the psyche of the villain as that of himself, as in it could have just easily been him. And then comes the crucial part, Batman tries to help the villain. That is his way of hoping/coping with the fact that maybe he too can be saved. Batman starts with intellect, gadget, power, skills but ultimately it is through emotional maturity he ends up overcoming the villain. If Batman just won the day based on pure gadgets and skills, it would be James Bond/Sherlock Holmes story only. Batman interestingly changed modern James Bond and Sherlock Homes story telling as well. What do you think?
While I agree with almost everything here and understand that your point is to magnify that The Batman excels at archetypal and deep characterisation rather than popcorn munching action. I certainly cannot grant you that this is because of lackluster action sequences. The Batman has an all time great car chase, fantastic weighty choreography and gorgeous action set pieces throughout. It excels in action and spectacle and far surpasses most of its peers while also being well written. The valid point you have is it's excessive length, that is the point to focus on. It's not short, sweat and punchy, it's artistic and drawn out.
@@DamienWalter Low stakes yes, but gorgeously shot. And though the majority isn't exhilarating the car chase definitely is and the rooftop jump is first time Batman has ever felt vulnerable and cornered to me. That moment of hesitation and the partial failure of the wingsuit was one of the best character building bits of the whole thing for me. It's distinctively young Batman. Additionally to me the hand to hand hits and moves feel well connected and hefty. Pattinson hits very hard and gets hit very hard.
@@colonialstraits1069 what a toxic, presumptuous, misinformed take. I rewatched it 7 times in the first month it came out. Unwatchable for you maybe. You're welcome to your opinion but don't confuse it with objective fact.
The thing I like about The Batman film is just that it has bits in it that seem to be based on Tarkovsky's Nostalghia. Like at the end when he lights a flare and crosses the pool, and then in the middle he hears a voice from the TV set in a room filled with dripping water and streams.
Batman's roots go back even further, influenced by Chester Gould and the Dick Tracy comics which began in 1931. Dick Tracy was a gumshoe detective, developed a bizarre rogue's gallery, and eventually advanced gadgets like the 2-way wrist radio (Apple watch/iPhone). They co-evolved with each over the years, changing appearances, villains, and plots with the times.
Amazing content Daniel, Ive gotten sick of film discussion by other youtubers just outright shilling their favorite brand and without any critical thinking whatsoever.
You haven't proven any connection between Battinson's The Batman version and the Manosphere. The movie has no woman's romantic rejection of men. Batman makes out with Catwoman. The Riddler never mentions dating, women or rejection.
Exactly, I never even considered that this video was connected to the Manosphere, apart from the clear sexism against Selina Kyle in the club. Otherwise, I thought it was much more about corruption (as is explicitly stated) and the cycle of violence.
I'm glad they finally depicted him as a detective. The previous incarnations were such disappointments. I can just watch Death Wish if I want a urban crime fighter.
Yes.. the detective aspects are just so provocative. I love how he stands around with a flashlight shining into the lens while he reads a couple of greeting cards. 😂 It's all just so 'Detective Noir' .. What a 'Cinematic Masterpiece' this boring , shallow movie was.
@@Fiveash-Art It's better than hearing a Batman with a fake gravelly voice. Seriously, when I finally watched this movie I also watched Claude Chabrol's "Le Boucher" (1970). The latter was a far superior film. I'd watch it any day over the Nolan films and the Batfleck appearances. Good cinema proves itself over time.
@@B.B.Digital_Forest You are so pretentious. "Claude Chabrol's "Le Boucher" " uh.. so what?😂 I think the Nolan movies are also overrated and I think Begins was the best of the three. Pattinson was fine as Batman, and the delivery was solid. But the movie was still garbage. Stop calling it 'cinema' .. give me a break. It's a tent pole movie disguised as something arty. It's just as shallow as any Marvel movie. It's a freakin MOVIE .. 'cinema' 🤮
@@B.B.Digital_Forest Everything you just said is an unwarranted total assumption. You objectively cannot prove anything you just said. But judging from the things you've written, anyone can see my view is pretty much dead on. I'm a bit sick of see zoomers talk about this movie as if people who don't like it aren't knowledgable or 'fans' of the character. Kid, I grew up on the comics from the 80s on and collected every different title from Detective Comics, Batman, and every single compiled 'graphic novel' for decades. You have no clue what you're talking about. I actually still have yet to see a really great Batman based movie. Some good ones, but not great. And The Batman is one of them that comes in at the bottom of the pile considering just how forgettable and mediocre it is. It just has no flavor. Smash together some visuals from a David Fincher movie while riding the coattails of Nolan's 'realistic' take and you've got this derivative pretentious movie. The pacing is terrible, the characters are boring, and the story is just run of the mill. There's nothing great about it. Visually I like it, the concept design is good, and the actors are good. Everything else is like watching paint dry.
The symbolic meaning is that Batman represents the "doomer" (hence the Nirvana and the David Fincher references) on his way to become a "bloomer", where The Riddler and his henchmen are supposed to represent the "incels", people who misrepresent the actions of the Bat for their own selfish purposes... It's like culture wars in the shadows. Also, The Crow '94 is an anti-imperialistic allegory.
"(hence the Nirvana and the David Fincher references) 🤓" Don't associate Nirvana or David Fincher with some nu-age zoomer lingo like fuckin "doomer", you massive cringe lord.
My impression was that this Batman iteration is for the crowd who identified more with Heath Ledger's Joker in the Dark Knight era films. That Joker had a distinctive incel quality about it long before that mentality had developed into the succinct identity that it has today. The car chase in The Batman is pretty awesome though. That's what I remember most about it.
im autistic and used to be emo when i was a teen and honestly i hated it probably because subconsciously it did feel like it was trying too hard to cater to me specifically
A Riddler clone states, "I am vengeance". That is the usurpation of Batman's identity. The film is attempting to say Riddler and Batman are the same person.
I mean this is all very interesting but The Batman doesn’t work because by concept Batman in the best versions is a manifestation of Bruce Wayne’s existential crisis. Batman gives Bruce purpose and drive while in The Batman it is Batman himself having an existential crisis which is basically a hat wearing a hat.
I love this Batman. Also for any movies/character there will be a trend of slapstick oldies, to something serious but optimistic, went super dark emo then found the realistic-ish version
You skipped the 90s batmans, George Clooney and, Val Kilmer. With Jim Carry as the Riddler. They were FAR less dark than 80s batman. So... Isn't that more emo batman and incel riddler? If you're going to go down the sort of generational psychosocial/ philosophical analysis road then you can't ignore the huge, unsympathetic bat nipples in the room. Metaphorically speaking.
@@chumba421A bit late to the party here, but yes. This guy wanted to to talk about incels and masculinity. Just used the Batman title for clicks. Its clear he doesnt have a clue about the character.
Most The Batman viewers are probably the ones who grew up with pervious generation of Batman films. I don’t think any kid of this generation went to see The Batman. This was definitely not a kids film.
Kids may not have seen the film in high numbers, but a number of kids in high school did. Besides the fact that calling this movie this generation's Batman is more a cultural reading, a thermometer of an era, than necessarily attributable to an age group. It certainly and directly delves into the concerns of its age tho, so I think the framing fits well enough
@@basementmadetapes I honestly didn’t think of it that way. And you’re are completely right, I do recall people talking about it during class, so yeah teenagers did see this film.
This movie looks very much like a remake of the second Nolan batman movie, with less tech batman and not-joker. I found also Nolan's batman very overrated. They really lack the sense of a story, they have no purpose except for the creation of a new visual standard for DC movies to come. These movies are filled with a need for realism that makes them so fake to watch
Ben Affleck was a great Batman and a superb Bruce Wayne. Remember an actor can only work with the material provided and Warner Bros did him a massive disservice. It is a shame, we never got to see the character arc which was originally planned by Zack Snyder.
One thing I dislike about the Batman movie of late is it wasted Colin Farrell as the Penguin. He was one of the standouts of it, and he had to get handicapped from not smoking or even having a cigarette or cigarette holder because of the studio's decision to not have it.
I could believe this version of Batman is an icel. This is an interesting take. However, I defend JP as not being some sort of standard bearer for that group. He is simply a smart guy who's logical ideas resonate with all types of people. You can hypothoziese on a subject without throwing a decent person under the bus.
I loved this movie, i just hated how crazy riddler was being. Like childish ceazy "you never go full crazy" thats how i feel, always imagined riddler being more calm and collective.
I love how they decided to cast a Meek ,depressed, refused to workout for the film Pattinson to portray a muscle bound brooding genius detective . well I am not a big fancy Hollywood director so what do I know. lets see Slowpoke Rodriguez recast as the Flash in the next D.C movie .
Batman seems to be one of those "LITERALLY ME!" characters like Travis Bickle, Patrick Bateman, et al. Anything that resonates so hard with the socially awkward guys who have a lot of trouble relating to people and women in particular while having an inflated sense of their own importance is like that. Throw in the "hero" thing, and you get guys who think they're right and fat 50 year old losers wearing Batman outfits in public. It's pathetic.
Nobody actually think characters are "literally me". This seems to be kind of a (typically) left-wing strawman born of these same people INSISTING every character represent someone "marginalized/unrepresented" and asserting they must be "incels" if they don't. Your comment reeks of psychological projection.
Damien, I think you are spot on! But there's something many of you are missing... Since the 80's, Batman has NOT been the good guy. Batman is NOT the hero. Batman hasn't done what's best for humanity. Since the 80's, Batman has been on the side of fascism. His priorities have been corporate interests. Batman's foes have been the good guys (some of the foes' causes have been: taking care of the planet, healthcare for all, better mental health support, eliminating government corruption, going after rapists and misogyny, etc.). In short, you could say, Batman's foes have been for Socialist ideals, while the Bat Man is 100% for Capitalism and Fascism. Batman isn't for the people, he's for the fascist State. Batman is, and since the 80's has been, a cautionary tale.
The Batman is also about the difference between retributive justice and restorative justice. It's right there in the script.
"Why can't Batman make eye contact?"
[Shows shots of Batman making eye-contact without an issue]
He’s clearly doing so unnaturally and with sense of anxiety. It’s a side eye more than direct eye contact
What I liked about this Batman was the focus on him being a detective.
He doesn't even know an incel is. Just like he didn't know what a fascist was, when Alan Moore called superheroes fascists.
The movie having long shots is not bad, you can personally not like it but the shots are there for atmosphere. The action isn't flashy, but it's shot and choreographed very well, no shaky cam, the fights look real, you can tell what's going on. They're objectively well done action scenes.
It's the FIRST batman movie ever made. Gotham was actually dark and rainy, not a sunny chicago. Batman was a trauma victim who actually did detective work.
In your defense, as I see others chastising you, what they fail to realize is your challenging them to think. You’re very thoughtful and have a deep perspective of cinema. I appreciate what you do. Don’t ever stop. On the Batman note…I never looked at Batman so differently until you explained the generational connection. Blew my mind. I don’t even know that the directors were intentionally thinking of this when they created their own vision. But I can not un-see it now.
A archetypal bear walks into an archetypal bar and asks the archetypal barmaid "Can I have an archetypal pint of the usual and a packet.........................of archetypal peanuts?" To which the barmaid responds, archetypally, "Sure. But why the big pause?"
That's the sort of smart-arse joke that I've realised is why my wife hates me telling her a joke.
@@CMDR_Verm She hates you telling her the joke because she already laughed herself silly when I told it to her after we'd finished making sweet-sweet lerve.
@@dinogoldie9716 Yes, very amusing. Trouble is my wife is 63 years of age so good luck with that. You're doing me a favour 🤣🤣🤣
I think this is a great analysis, although i dont agree with your personal opinions on Action Movies. I loved Nolans Batman, and still have DK as my favourite, but even i can tell that shaky camera for every punch wasnt the best choice to show figthing skills, and i believe The Batman does it way better. Low stakes thouh, and thats in part for the aim of the movie. This Batman is not really figthing criminals (he is, but he isnt), he is figthing an idea of impotence agency. In every generation Batman figths the corrupt, the ones who profit from the fall of society, but that idea changes in every decade. This one is in fact figthing the new corruption of Gotham, and is the old men who hurt women, as much as the young men who feel entitled to violence because of their dissapointment. I believe this makes a very powerful scene when Batman realises he has been doing the same, and needs to become something else. Thats also the point, this is a chapter 1, and ends with Batman, for the first time in a movie, getting out of the shadows and into dayligth, choosing not being vengeance, but hope. So yeah, Batman, and Bruce, are ment to grow out of this "incel" generation persona, into something better.
Having said this....i do believe to name an entire cultural generation "incel" is cruel and unusual. Also innacurate. Most of men wont remain Involuntarely Celivate. It just wont happen. But, yes, there is a sense of being mentaly, psychologically, cstrated. As men has lost is former cultural position, the struggle is to find the new parameters, the new way to be a man, no longer the muscular action hero, but somethnig else. It will take its time. Its an era of a damaged man, or a lost man, one with a lot of rage for having to seek an answer that former generations didnt had to. But incel... well, not really. To use that as a denomination would be as innapropiate as to call a mentally challenged person, a member of a "idiotic" group. Is just unfair in its mocking description.
Great video anyway. Have a good day.
Incel is the perfect word to describe this generation of young men. Something like 80% of men remain virgins their entire 20s, whilst something like 80% of women have a boyfriend whilst in their super-early 20s (20-21), and 95% of women have slept with a guy before they are 30. And women tend to only 'date' guys three years older than them, so it isn't the older men taking all young women.
So what is it? It is rather simple; 20% of males are sleeping with 80+% of women, and these men are dating multiple women at the same time whilst the women perceive the relationship as 'monogamous.'
So rather than calling an entire [...] generation _incel_ being 'inaccurate,' as you claim, it is the exact opposite; it is _super-accurate;_ it cannot be anymore accurate than it is! This is a result of the sexual liberation of women; it is rather simple, since females are the sexual selectors. They tend to choose the higher quality males, so in a society with the sexual liberation of women, natural harems tend to develop.
Since women are the sexual selectors, they would rather select for the highest quality male and share him with other females than settle for a lower quality male but be exclusive with him. It is that simple so when you are against saying 'incel,' what you are really against is the sexual liberation of women. I, for one, am all for it, as it makes getting with women super easy (not even an inconvenience), because being at the top means you have no competition and girls instead compete to get with you, whereas at the normal spectrum of things, men compete to get with women. I shall say it again; at the highest levels, females compete to get with males, and multiple females end up selecting a single male and do not care that they are sharing him with other females.
The fact that if females are sexually liberated naturally leads to a harem is what is responsible for why many societies instead have the father arrange marriages by giving their daughter away to an upstanding young male (that wouldn't be a top sexual pick). Women select for men that gives them the most sexual pleasure, which is why plenty of women will stay with a man that abuses them; it is because the sex is far too good for them to willingly give up.
I know in our emasculated society, we must pretend as if the sexual liberation of women is nothing but positives, but everything has pros and cons; the sexual liberation of men also has pros and cons, and that can be freely discussed in society, but the moment one starts exposing the nature and effects of the sexual liberation of women, suddenly you are cancelled; this shows, beyond all doubt, that we live in a female-controlled society; such a society double-speaks constantly, where it says one thing, but behaves in the exact opposite.
An example of this is the aforementioned topic; this is how they maintain power, for if we were able to discuss freely and openly, it would expose the blatant control women have over society and men. Just because men hold 'overt' power 'out in the open' does not mean that men are in control; women control men in litearlly every other avenue that is not 'overt;' they control his decisions behind the scenes in social settings; they have 'soft power' via acting thru back channels; they can sway the decision of immense bodies of men in a near instant, and they can do so with outright ease. Women control the cultural zeitgeist, and they control the Overton window.
Hmm...You bring an excellent framework to analyse Matt Reeves' Batman. But, you make broad generalizations in setting up this archetype about Batman. My understanding has been that Matt Reeves shows us a Batman/Bruce Wayne who is every bit traumatised and sociopath as the villains. With Alfred acting as some sort of moral check. There is a tendency in good Batman story tellers to make Batman confront a villain, only to realise that the failure of the first encounter is because Batman had considered the villain as some thug to beat. Then he starts realising the psyche of the villain as that of himself, as in it could have just easily been him. And then comes the crucial part, Batman tries to help the villain. That is his way of hoping/coping with the fact that maybe he too can be saved. Batman starts with intellect, gadget, power, skills but ultimately it is through emotional maturity he ends up overcoming the villain. If Batman just won the day based on pure gadgets and skills, it would be James Bond/Sherlock Holmes story only. Batman interestingly changed modern James Bond and Sherlock Homes story telling as well. What do you think?
While I agree with almost everything here and understand that your point is to magnify that The Batman excels at archetypal and deep characterisation rather than popcorn munching action. I certainly cannot grant you that this is because of lackluster action sequences. The Batman has an all time great car chase, fantastic weighty choreography and gorgeous action set pieces throughout. It excels in action and spectacle and far surpasses most of its peers while also being well written. The valid point you have is it's excessive length, that is the point to focus on. It's not short, sweat and punchy, it's artistic and drawn out.
There's no stakes to give the action weight. And the fighting style is looking dated IMO.
@@DamienWalter
Low stakes yes, but gorgeously shot. And though the majority isn't exhilarating the car chase definitely is and the rooftop jump is first time Batman has ever felt vulnerable and cornered to me. That moment of hesitation and the partial failure of the wingsuit was one of the best character building bits of the whole thing for me. It's distinctively young Batman.
Additionally to me the hand to hand hits and moves feel well connected and hefty. Pattinson hits very hard and gets hit very hard.
“Artistic” = unwatchable. Batman is an art film for people who don’t like art.
@@colonialstraits1069 what a toxic, presumptuous, misinformed take. I rewatched it 7 times in the first month it came out. Unwatchable for you maybe. You're welcome to your opinion but don't confuse it with objective fact.
@@DamienWalter It's a garbage movie .. These kids are just drinking the Kool-Aid with this one.
The thing I like about The Batman film is just that it has bits in it that seem to be based on Tarkovsky's Nostalghia. Like at the end when he lights a flare and crosses the pool, and then in the middle he hears a voice from the TV set in a room filled with dripping water and streams.
Batman's roots go back even further, influenced by Chester Gould and the Dick Tracy comics which began in 1931. Dick Tracy was a gumshoe detective, developed a bizarre rogue's gallery, and eventually advanced gadgets like the 2-way wrist radio (Apple watch/iPhone). They co-evolved with each over the years, changing appearances, villains, and plots with the times.
He's literally me. 😭
Amazing content Daniel, Ive gotten sick of film discussion by other youtubers just outright shilling their favorite brand and without any critical thinking whatsoever.
Fantastic. Thank you
Thanks Moses.
You haven't proven any connection between Battinson's The Batman version and the Manosphere. The movie has no woman's romantic rejection of men. Batman makes out with Catwoman. The Riddler never mentions dating, women or rejection.
Exactly, I never even considered that this video was connected to the Manosphere, apart from the clear sexism against Selina Kyle in the club. Otherwise, I thought it was much more about corruption (as is explicitly stated) and the cycle of violence.
I'm glad they finally depicted him as a detective. The previous incarnations were such disappointments. I can just watch Death Wish if I want a urban crime fighter.
Yes.. the detective aspects are just so provocative. I love how he stands around with a flashlight shining into the lens while he reads a couple of greeting cards. 😂 It's all just so 'Detective Noir' .. What a 'Cinematic Masterpiece' this boring , shallow movie was.
@@Fiveash-Art It's better than hearing a Batman with a fake gravelly voice. Seriously, when I finally watched this movie I also watched Claude Chabrol's "Le Boucher" (1970). The latter was a far superior film. I'd watch it any day over the Nolan films and the Batfleck appearances. Good cinema proves itself over time.
@@B.B.Digital_Forest You are so pretentious. "Claude Chabrol's "Le Boucher" " uh.. so what?😂 I think the Nolan movies are also overrated and I think Begins was the best of the three. Pattinson was fine as Batman, and the delivery was solid. But the movie was still garbage. Stop calling it 'cinema' .. give me a break. It's a tent pole movie disguised as something arty. It's just as shallow as any Marvel movie. It's a freakin MOVIE .. 'cinema' 🤮
@@Fiveash-Art So you don't appreciate watching films as much as I do. That's your schtick. It's okay if you're not a Batman fan.
@@B.B.Digital_Forest Everything you just said is an unwarranted total assumption. You objectively cannot prove anything you just said. But judging from the things you've written, anyone can see my view is pretty much dead on. I'm a bit sick of see zoomers talk about this movie as if people who don't like it aren't knowledgable or 'fans' of the character. Kid, I grew up on the comics from the 80s on and collected every different title from Detective Comics, Batman, and every single compiled 'graphic novel' for decades. You have no clue what you're talking about. I actually still have yet to see a really great Batman based movie. Some good ones, but not great. And The Batman is one of them that comes in at the bottom of the pile considering just how forgettable and mediocre it is. It just has no flavor. Smash together some visuals from a David Fincher movie while riding the coattails of Nolan's 'realistic' take and you've got this derivative pretentious movie. The pacing is terrible, the characters are boring, and the story is just run of the mill. There's nothing great about it. Visually I like it, the concept design is good, and the actors are good. Everything else is like watching paint dry.
Can't stop watching at 1:23 when he breaks in through the window and starts swinging
That dude just invaded Normandy, he ain't playing
The symbolic meaning is that Batman represents the "doomer" (hence the Nirvana and the David Fincher references) on his way to become a "bloomer", where The Riddler and his henchmen are supposed to represent the "incels", people who misrepresent the actions of the Bat for their own selfish purposes... It's like culture wars in the shadows. Also, The Crow '94 is an anti-imperialistic allegory.
"(hence the Nirvana and the David Fincher references) 🤓" Don't associate Nirvana or David Fincher with some nu-age zoomer lingo like fuckin "doomer", you massive cringe lord.
Is there any pro-imperialistic allegory in literature or films?
@@RicardoDirani More recently Disney-era Star Wars films and some early MCU films (even though they claim they are not).
@@imcallingjapan2178Easy, the empire/order never actually loses and I think they're even making even more sequels right now.
@@RicardoDirani Rudyard Kipling
Best batman, i dont care what anyone says
I don't entirely disagree.
Best live action Batman, and maybe the worst Bruce Wayne... Which is kinda perfect.
Wholly agree
Same
Thats good, because you're wrong
Keep the 20th century french intellectuals coming, love it!
My impression was that this Batman iteration is for the crowd who identified more with Heath Ledger's Joker in the Dark Knight era films. That Joker had a distinctive incel quality about it long before that mentality had developed into the succinct identity that it has today.
The car chase in The Batman is pretty awesome though. That's what I remember most about it.
The build up to the Batmbile was wasted. There was Zero setup for the payoff of the car not starting. That scenbe couldve been very cool.
Great stuff.
"did he just throw a tantrum? really? Batman?" lmao clearly you have never read 'All Star Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder'
im autistic and used to be emo when i was a teen and honestly i hated it probably because subconsciously it did feel like it was trying too hard to cater to me specifically
not saying im an incel tho lol
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Thanks Stephen.
This video turned out to be far more on point than what the overly broad (mis)use of a loaded term would lead one to expect.
I liked Batfleck 🤷♀️
Well at least Affleck built the physique.
I’ve been waiting for this one since you teased it !!
A mesured and fair analysis of a modern archetype.
Thank you for the substance here.
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I agree. Thank you for putting into word why I just couldn’t relate or enjoy The Batman like I had previous Batman.
You mean previous BatMEN. ;-)
A Riddler clone states, "I am vengeance". That is the usurpation of Batman's identity. The film is attempting to say Riddler and Batman are the same person.
It's definitely Bruce epiphany moment that he's being a whiny manbaby.
The thing about the projected images is that none of them are any more real than the others. They're merely projections of a possible outcome.
I mean this is all very interesting but The Batman doesn’t work because by concept Batman in the best versions is a manifestation of Bruce Wayne’s existential crisis. Batman gives Bruce purpose and drive while in The Batman it is Batman himself having an existential crisis which is basically a hat wearing a hat.
I love this Batman.
Also for any movies/character there will be a trend of slapstick oldies, to something serious but optimistic, went super dark emo then found the realistic-ish version
You skipped the 90s batmans, George Clooney and, Val Kilmer. With Jim Carry as the Riddler.
They were FAR less dark than 80s batman. So... Isn't that more emo batman and incel riddler? If you're going to go down the sort of generational psychosocial/ philosophical analysis road then you can't ignore the huge, unsympathetic bat nipples in the room. Metaphorically speaking.
Actors changed, character was the same. The next reinvention was Nolan.
Almost as if his point requires leaving out and deliberately misinterpreting loads of information
@@chumba421A bit late to the party here, but yes.
This guy wanted to to talk about incels and masculinity. Just used the Batman title for clicks. Its clear he doesnt have a clue about the character.
Most The Batman viewers are probably the ones who grew up with pervious generation of Batman films. I don’t think any kid of this generation went to see The Batman. This was definitely not a kids film.
I'd be interested to see data. The incel audience is 20s and 30s...being horrifically unattractive as a teenage boy is just standard...
Kids may not have seen the film in high numbers, but a number of kids in high school did. Besides the fact that calling this movie this generation's Batman is more a cultural reading, a thermometer of an era, than necessarily attributable to an age group. It certainly and directly delves into the concerns of its age tho, so I think the framing fits well enough
@@basementmadetapes I honestly didn’t think of it that way. And you’re are completely right, I do recall people talking about it during class, so yeah teenagers did see this film.
My 15 year old daughter went 5 times
I did.
This movie looks very much like a remake of the second Nolan batman movie, with less tech batman and not-joker. I found also Nolan's batman very overrated. They really lack the sense of a story, they have no purpose except for the creation of a new visual standard for DC movies to come. These movies are filled with a need for realism that makes them so fake to watch
Hmmm... Wait, a Batman who is still a messed up dude? Yeah, that's not possible.
Brilliant analysis! Makes me appreciate this movie even more.
interesting opinion
I feel this Batman starts as an Incel, but the actions of the Riddler forces him to save the Gotham folk so he’s no longer an isolated stalker type
Yup
not me.
Ben Affleck was a great Batman and a superb Bruce Wayne. Remember an actor can only work with the material provided and Warner Bros did him a massive disservice. It is a shame, we never got to see the character arc which was originally planned by Zack Snyder.
One thing I dislike about the Batman movie of late is it wasted Colin Farrell as the Penguin. He was one of the standouts of it, and he had to get handicapped from not smoking or even having a cigarette or cigarette holder because of the studio's decision to not have it.
Huh. True that does change the character.
I could believe this version of Batman is an icel. This is an interesting take. However, I defend JP as not being some sort of standard bearer for that group. He is simply a smart guy who's logical ideas resonate with all types of people. You can hypothoziese on a subject without throwing a decent person under the bus.
I loved this movie, i just hated how crazy riddler was being. Like childish ceazy "you never go full crazy" thats how i feel, always imagined riddler being more calm and collective.
Batfleck was for the GYM BROs
Yes
I love how they decided to cast a Meek ,depressed, refused to workout for the film Pattinson to portray a muscle bound brooding genius detective . well I am not a big fancy Hollywood director so what do I know.
lets see Slowpoke Rodriguez recast as the Flash in the next D.C movie .
Thos aint batman for incels. Its GEN Z batman.
There's a difference?
ok boomer.
batman is not an incel.
he is a "doomer".
great vid. and yes, the batman is resonating with mentally ill incel emo kids on tiktok
the Batman is a good looking, but flawed film with a total muggy melt version of Batman and a useless Bruce Wayne.
Batman seems to be one of those "LITERALLY ME!" characters like Travis Bickle, Patrick Bateman, et al. Anything that resonates so hard with the socially awkward guys who have a lot of trouble relating to people and women in particular while having an inflated sense of their own importance is like that. Throw in the "hero" thing, and you get guys who think they're right and fat 50 year old losers wearing Batman outfits in public. It's pathetic.
Nobody actually think characters are "literally me". This seems to be kind of a (typically) left-wing strawman born of these same people INSISTING every character represent someone "marginalized/unrepresented" and asserting they must be "incels" if they don't. Your comment reeks of psychological projection.
this movie sucks
Damien, I think you are spot on! But there's something many of you are missing... Since the 80's, Batman has NOT been the good guy. Batman is NOT the hero. Batman hasn't done what's best for humanity. Since the 80's, Batman has been on the side of fascism. His priorities have been corporate interests. Batman's foes have been the good guys (some of the foes' causes have been: taking care of the planet, healthcare for all, better mental health support, eliminating government corruption, going after rapists and misogyny, etc.). In short, you could say, Batman's foes have been for Socialist ideals, while the Bat Man is 100% for Capitalism and Fascism. Batman isn't for the people, he's for the fascist State.
Batman is, and since the 80's has been, a cautionary tale.
@Whats.Next.Videos You need to pay better attention. Batman is a corporate pawn, serving fascism and the police state.
The Batman = incel cringe. True
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