The Battle For Dale Farm | What Caused The Biggest Gypsy Eviction?
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- The story of the extraordinary events surrounding the Dale Farm Eviction.
Using a mixture of archive footage and contemporary interviews with some of the key people involved, this documentary gives an eye-opening and balanced view of the astonishing developments of the biggest eviction in modern British history and how it changed the lives of many forever.
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Such a SHAME and that property sits today doing nothing when it was being loved and cared for!
I feel sorry for them, but there is another other side. There are rubbish and litter everywhere. Lots of noise. Lots of animals that are not property taken care of. If they applied for decent development, kept it clean, and were respectable neighbors, it could be different. They also knew there could be violence yet they kept the children and animals on the site, it is arrogant and irresponsible.
I’m a Gypsy, do you know the history of how they and their children were burned alive and hunted for thousands of years? Maybe if people like you shut your hole and didn’t treat them like animals for thousands of years they would act differently so have some respect and shut your hole
It should of never gotten to this point! They should have intervened sooner! Laws were broken! Standing up for your rights goes on both sides! I am Roma in US! My family assimilated because that was not the life they wanted! We kept our traditions within our own home!! I'm confused on what they are fighting for, the right to travel? The right to not work?
Sell out
well unfortunately they bring the discrimination upon themselves with their disregard for the law , and some of their customs are rather debauched. like how they seem to let any aged person have alcohol and they let little girls dress like strippers and they let them dance like strippers too. and same with the teenage girls... i dont like that part...but i do like how they are very strong closse families and get married at the natural time like all of society used to do. ❤
Buying your own piece of land is the answer. There for generations to come, no one can take it or evict you. Even go in with another family to buy land half and half. It avoids a bunch of grief and problems, as the stress and anxiety must be horrible being chased
didn't they own the land, but were unable to live on it, because it was classified as green belt? Another reason buying might not help were artificially driven up prices. So it might be a solution in some cases or some people but not for everybody.
even if you won the land you can't move hundreds/thousands of people onto your land and think you neighbors and the city is going to be cool with it
@@mirawondafication5731 The Council seem willing to change its status from 'protected green-belt land' to 'Sure, you can build houses there!' now that the residents aren't the Travelers themselves. This is just awful. I knew people used to detest Travelers, but I guess we need to 'do the Native American thing' and break their society and way of life a little more before we can put up with them or something.
They DID own that land...they were told it was a 'green-belt protected land' that couldn't be developed, and so that WAS their own land, just they weren't allowed to do anything with it. Unless they were a housing developer, anyway. Apparently if you have money, you can change the rules. Who'd have thought?! Such a surprise!
@@mirawondafication5731 Yep, they bought that land, but they got in trouble with zoning (Well, the UK equivalent...Planning?) because the ex-landfill site had somehow been given a 'greenbelt designation' which meant they couldn't make any improvements to the property. I forget if the designation requires 'only one family' as the maximum or if it didn't even permit that, but it was one or the other under that designation. The fact that a developer is looking to turn the site into 500 housing-units of residential space (as mentioned in the later parts and again at the end of the video) is almost a true 'insult upon injury'. THEY can't improve the land or have multiple households on it...but the developers can, that's cool. Really kinda makes painfully clear how very specifically anti-Traveler this whole issue is.
They bought the land. It was building permits that they didnt have
I think it's interesting that they say they're traveler's yet they're not traveling? Does that mean because they live in campers? I think they could've been allowed to have 5 acres with some sit down talk for guidelines common sence stuff and try to build relationships. But it appears this goes way back as them being treated like poop! Not fair
Not all travellers travel constantly, some travellers even own homes.
It’s the lifestyle and traditions they’re speaking of that is of traveller routs, but being a traveler doesn’t rely on you being constantly on the move - it’s about way of life and preserving their traditions
Very sad ...
Perhaps a large large piece of land should be made available for them to purchase, but with the arrangement that they pay for services. They can't just camp for free on the land , but these poor people need a place of their own. We can't just throw them away. 😢😢
I could never understand why Gypsy and Travelers don't buy up land that they can live on legally as a community or visit when they're travelling that no one can kick them off of. Some could buy up big chunks of land and turn it into legal campgrounds/caravan parks for the travelers. It would save evictions or having to always be moving from places they're not allowed to stay at.
Because they are Gypsies and travelers. They are the only free people in the world!
So since I realized that I might not have been clear enough on this point in my other reply; they BOUGHT that land, and meant to legally set up a community there just like you're saying they should have done. They were told (at some point which was never made clear in this video unless I missed it) that it was protected environmental 'Green Belt' land that couldn't be developed upon at all. They got evicted from their land for "improper permits/lacking permitting approval". It wasn't that they'd squatted the land, they ACTUALLY purchased it.
Oh, and I just looked it up...the 'planning permission' they were denied? They'd have needed that to have a camper site license anyway. They did this just because they didn't want "That Sort Of People" living there.
www.gov.uk/find-licences/caravan-site-licence
@@EShirako it doesn't take long for another human of same relligion, same skin color to accept each other as long as each side behave in a respectful manner. If only they act like proper law abiding citizens with out all those ' our tradition' thing. That just let their ' other traditions which are not exactly appreciated by other honest citizen's to let loose among the young generations and soon become a source of discomfort for the whole town. A bike is missing, somebody spotted there in the camp. A few campers were gathering for just hanging out, next morning, all the laundries nearby and sneakers are gone etc that little ' no snitching' thing is strong in the camp which makes it more like a prison in the first place and the kids growing up by that instead of calling cops at first sight of crime like dutiful citizens. They can't blame others. Any place they try to make camp, the council should put a big mirror at the entrance as a symbol to make them look at themselves and this will go a long way .
@EShirako Yes that's right. They weren't allowed to develop on it, & they did. But anyway, they had two years to leave & rebelled. They should've just sold the land & left.
That land will need massive work before ANYTHING can become of it.
is this not the same group that was on "At War With Next Door" cause it seems like the same place and a lot of the same people
What a bigot and trouble maker that Neighbour was! These people lived in their own community and it was disgusting to see how they were treated! Shame on you to everyone that had a hand in this! Bigots!
It is about behavior. Always has been and always will be
Finally someone with common sense in this comment section. High five!
"We offered the few who qualified an option for a brick-and-mortar house but they said it was against their way of life." Okay, I'm not much on random tramps making messy camps everywhere but even I have to admit that there is an argument there...they are NAMED "Travelers", that IS their way of life. The fact that we cannot comprehend that way of life is no more important than the fact that a majority of us cannot comprehend 'cave diving' as a sport/hobby. I won't ever want to do that...I won't ever DO that. But...who cares? It should be their right to be who they are within some level of sense and reason!
There's always bad folks on both sides of an argument, so I'll mention that right off; I'm sure some people were a problem, but with the what, $12 million pounds they were authorized in the eviction process couldn't instead be used to set up some kind of sewer-linkup or whatever it was that made everyone so unhappy with them? They can ONLY be relocated to Council homes, which I'm PRETTY sure they aren't even allowed to park trailers or caravans outside of by ANOTHER planning law... This really all seems more than a little nonsensical and like the Government decided that international attention wasn't more important than getting those "effing gypsie-awful-people, wait I mean those polluters!" out of there no matter what. So...here things are.
Seriously, was no 'cleared non-greenbelt land that they could actually move to' able to be offered even as a sale or trade? I started watching this thinking the Travelers would be the ones in the wrong but it seems like they occasionally-annoy people who want them dead-and-gone and if they can't do that they'll "Native American/First Nation" them into submission by making their way of life illegal.
I especially adore the images of that wasted land in 2020. And it moved most of the family like 500 feet away? This is just embarrassing for the Council and the UK as a whole. They were all 'Green-belt!' until they decided "Maybe it's not so greenbelt, we'd love some houses in there! Just not...THOSE households, knowwhatI'msayin', winkwinknudgenudge?!" This seems to make painfully clear to this American that the whole point of this project was to 'stick it to the Travelers' and make them move on, no matter the cost. They didn't ACTUALLY care about what 'color-belt' it was, they just wanted it to be not-theirs (as in, not the Travelers' land, but they can't say WHO because 'protected status' might result), and they're okay with the international and moral cost of 'anything to get them OUT'.
...cool. I hope the British find their money-malleable laws to be as worth it as the US finds its homeowner associations and deed-restriction laws to be. Which is to say, "It was likely a terrible idea, but good luck with that!"
Law is the law. Don't live like savages, won't be treated as such.
Everyone learn to follow the laws and we will all live in Peace !! ✌ 😊
Yes, but the laws are apparently 'malleable if you have money'. I watched this expecting to be disgusted by the Travelers, but I was MISTAKEN. They evicted those people from that 'precious green-belt land that can't be developed on', and then they didn't even clear it...but now it's being discussed for a /500 flat/ housing plot, and THAT kind of 'development' is all cool, no more 'green belt' concerns? The issue wasn't the laws, the issue was the Travelers were too poor for their liking and couldn't pay to change the zoning laws, unlike the developers who apparently can.
@@EShirako No, laws are malleable if you have a minority status and a victim card. You can also get away with all kinds of nasty behaviour on the grounds of 'it's my culture'.
If they're Irish why aren't they living in Ireland? But it seems to me that they're a refugee type group that are HUMANS TOO😮😢❤
Refugees got more rights , sad to see a culture being destroyed ,, 😢😢
A culture built on fighting, intimidation, theft, scams and living off state benefits? (while having expensive cars or holiday homes). The Travelers I know, are racist and want nothing to do from wider society apart from handouts and free houses / horses etc - while literally giving nothing back to society apart from criminality
The council should have changed the zoning in favor of the travelers. Mr. Gridley's argument regarding the reduction in his property values has no basis of legality. It's called life, your neighbors are not responsible for the value of your property. For instance someone could build and block your view, thereby lowering the value of your property and there's not a damn thing you can do.
well, it was proven in "At War with Next Door" that his house price was not affected, but your neighbors dont have the right to trash the community, if you watch that it was before all this happened, the case was still in the courts but once the court made up its mind this all happened.
I have a big plot for the city I live in, but I couldn't fill that up with people and their crap, saying this I can understand both sides.
this is why most councils/cities have by-laws to stop people from doing things that will affect you/r property in a negative way, this whole greenbelt thing I know nothing about since its the UK, but if my neighbor moved 20 poeple in trailers onto his property I could get by-law enforcement to get them out of there, most things people would do that could, in fact, devalue your property/land would be against by-laws in most area's that's what zoning laws are for. proper development in pretty much any area will increase the value of your property not degrade it. I guess there this kind of development doesn't work the same
Most places you can object to planning if it effects your view.
For those saying biy land . They did own it
The news anchor at 22:40 is the man from the "crusing the cut" youtube channel. He quit being a newscaster to become a water gypsy. Odd how life takes it's turns.
*BIGOTS:* "WE HATE 'TRAVELLERS."
*ALSO BIGOTS:* "We want to evict travellers to ensure they must keep travelling."
EDIT: Also, at the end its increasingly obvious that the 'travellers' dont want to travel, as theyve got nowhere eles to go.
Meanwhile at a much earlier point in the video, is seems that two nearly identical plots of land were arbitrarily differently assigned residential and non-residential WHY? We're not told. Even if these "travellers" had wanted to settle their land would have be zoned outside of legàl parameters to allow anything more than temporary transient accommodations. That was not their fault.
Also, it's mentioned that the irish community BOUGHT that land and thats confusing since an entire community isnt likely to be the owners as signatory to the deeds. Who ACTUALLY owned this land and why didn't THIS issue predominate the right to execute eviction. You can evict an unwelcome Tennant within reason, but eviction of the title holder of physical real estate, is beyond any county or state jurisdiction.
MONGS: "Here's a made-up argument I'm saying so that I can answer it myself!"
ALSO MONGS: "Here's my reply to my own argument. Look how smart I am!".
It is said the gypsey come from India but they do not look Indian look British,the roma of Eastern Europe look Indian
Hope Len Gridley is proud now of the pain he and his peers inflicted.
He's a bitter old man
I'm surprised nobody has retaliated against him
@@ukmary1968 that would be very wrong. shame is enough.
Actually if you watch At War with Next Door you will realise it's the other way around. The pain was inflicted on Len by the Gypsies. Len is a really decent guy.
45:05 I don't believe you. You definitely saw this coming.
Ironic that the British would be upset at the Irish for taking land. You want them to be travelers or car mechanics? Cause trust me traveler is better for you
I think the council did the right thing. You just cant make ' your home' in a lqnd you dont pay for
Yes, except they actually had BOUGHT that farm plot. The issue was that they couldn't be given 'planning council permission' to develop the land. They needed some 'site license' for a camper-park. I wonder how many rules, fees and laws abound in that license? It's painfully obvious that the council and some neighbors just don't want Travelers living near them, and they took this opportunity to make it clear that they were JUST FINE with 'planning-screwing those people out of their land', but it WAS the Travelers' land, bought and owned, they just weren't allowed to develop it.
Now that they were put off of the land, 'coincidentally' a developer might be able to get Planning permission to build a 500-unit housing block on that site. You can tell from that how 'valuable' they truly held the "Green Belt Property" requirement to be. It wouldn't let the land-owner change the property, but the developer sure can!
Shame on that city council 😰😡😰
No, shame on you for jumping to conclusions without getting the whole story. I guess you think you are being compassionate. But foolish compassion is actually cruelty.
Things are getting ripe 😲😲😲
The fact that this was allowed to happen is just flabbergasting. This happened in 2010 & in 2024 the Travellers are still treated like trash in their own birth country. Most are UK born and have never even been to Ireland. They are as British as the rest. It really is a sad state of affairs that a country as powerful as the uk is letting this go on for DECADES with no solutions. You can’t tell me in 14 years that lot has sat vacant after all that and the Council couldn’t figure out something to help the travellers legally build on the land they bought? They owned it. How was this possible? To just put families out with nowhere to go that supports their culture and heritage is cruel. It’s still a big vacant plot. What was the point? For all the money and they spent they could’ve put in the property facilities, etc they needed and no one would have had to be harmed or traumatized.
I learned everything from my mom 🤣🤣🤣
My mother and grandma Alice loved to cook 😊💯💯💯
Such a nice 💯💯💯 Holy ❤️🧄😍 communion 😺🤠
Those poor people....😢
Gridley is insufferable
No he isn't. Don't jump to conclusions before you get the whole story!
How sad.
What happened to these poor people?
Where did they go?
Watch At War with Next Door S1E2 and you'll get the different picture of these 'poor people'!
And they 😍❤️❤️ loved horticulture.
My mother is Irish 🧳 traveller. My father was Turkish.
Someone gave us some nice 💯💯 yams 😉😀😄
Having lived in Basildon, I can't see a great difference between the travellers behaviour and that of the local Basildonians to be honest. It was nicknamed the S-Bend of Essex for a reason. So to be so pompous about "the village" and the veiled racisms from that awful man, it's preposterous. They've got to live somewhere. They owned the land. Work something out to enable them to have their community while still creating a green border around the property. Retrospective planning permits. This is atrocious.
Crying 'racism' when confronted about law breaking and bad behaviour. And then wondering why so many people swing to the right.
governments must simply make concessions and different policies for registwred communities...for example the usa government does this with native american peoples ... i think they are sort of like their own seperate countries or something.... i know isolated unique communities of people dont fit in well with the rest of society, so the government has to treat them differently... u cant just bulldoze entire peoples cuz they cause dissent and incontinuity
This is just a BS excuse to sanction law breaking and bad behaviour. And you know it.
shameful from USA, against WOMEN N CHILDREN OH MY!
You are jumping to conclusions without knowing the whole story. So you are being a compassionate fool which is as bad as being outright evil.
yes travellers should move to america , theres less land fees and the police wouldnt discriminate and the government wouldnt try to get rid of them.... the quakers and the amish and the mormons live peacefully here ❤. just thinking outloud for the sake of the travellers... but for myself, i would love to live on the isles ❤
False equivalency. Mormons, Quackers and Amish are (generally) VERY law abiding and well behaved. This particular band of Travellers isn't. If you watch At War with Next door you will realize that.
IF ONLY THE COUNCIL HAD LEFT THEM ALONE 😔 AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED AT ALL LAND SITTING THERE DOING NOTHING 😕 😢