Music Streaming - If You Don’t Know, Now You Know | The Daily Show
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- While practically the entirety of recorded music is on streaming services like Spotify, many musicians find it harder than ever to make money from it. Here’s a look at how artists both benefit from and are disadvantaged by the music streaming business. #DailyShow #TrevorNoah #IfYouDontKnowNowYouKnow
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Thanks for raising awareness on this topic Trevor. 🙌
Spotify like systems supposed to work with creators owning all the rights and record companies to get less but opposite is happening
Thank you for talking about this. For reference, we have about 500k monthly listeners. 250+ cover songs and 40+ originals. We got ONE song on just ONE radio station and made more in a month that we made in 6 months on Spotify. 🤷♀️
That's depressing
So you mean the radio 📻 pay you for playing your song? Is that how it works? I thought radio station and Spotify was only to promote the music 🎶 I’m very curious about this topic 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🎶🎶
That make no sense, is not possible that people spends more money in music now, I pay $15 dollars for Spotify now and before I had to pay $10 to $15 dollars for just one album of any artist and if you buy music through Amazon it was $1 dólar per song if the album 💿 have 20 songs just do the math, and I’m agree how hard is this days for an artis to make money even with out the Corona situation
Do you know how this is possible? What’s the difference between Spotify and a radio station? How’s a radio station able to pay more? Is there an article that explains this?
Then why do artists let streaming services stream their work? It seems totally worthless.
Dang it. Now I can't get the Sleepify song out of my head.
BEST SOUND IN THE WORLD
That sleepify song is on repeat on my iPod all day.
That is hilarious!
It is "🎶🎵the sound 🎶🎵 of silence...🎶🎵"
😂😂😂😂😂
As an artist on Spotify, yes I can confirm they don’t pay anything. It’s sad and frustrating.
Are you signed to a label?
@@Jackherbert10 labels are vaporware unless you're guaranteed big income, then they'll happily loan you anything.
@@Jackherbert10 adding to overloads point, the only way you get a guarantee of a large income if you are already very famous, but if you are either a coming up artist or a older singer then no dinner for you
Apprently Tidal is the best service that pays their artists the most
Yes , they should pay 100% not only 70% of the money they get....
Honored to have been used as a source on this deep dive, couldn’t believe it when I heard my voice at 3:30 🤯
You are a blessing to these hard working voiceless artists
You're famous!! XD
Oh dang. Didn't expect to see Jon here
Grab them viewers while you can... Am I right?
Guess you're doing fine
Slipped in dig at Amazon - “..someplace no one ever goes, like a break room in an Amazon warehouse.”. Well done
when poor people do it, it's called piracy. When rich people do it, it's called business.
And that my friend is the sad truth SMH
This is business
@@thehappyloaf : Which end of the business are you on?
@@HJKelley47 The business end
When poor people do it is called crime.
When rich people do it is called politics.
It should be the other way around. Poor artists shouldn't subsidize rich artists. Rich artists should subsidize the poor.
7 hours ago?!
@@julianmathe3713 maybe the comment was made during the premiere time.
that's not how capitalism works my friend
It’s not that simple, the payment process is complicated and it leans towards the people that don’t listen to much are paying their money to other artists and the people that stream constantly are gaining their favorite artists money from other listeners
Well that is how capitalism works and mostly how America works ...same as normal every day Joe in America is subsidizing big corporation ...
Being a musician now isn’t about selling music anymore, it’s about selling ads, at least live performances are coming back
"live performances coming back." - Cries as a musician in India.
@@Deepphoenix 😢❤️🎶
I was in the live music production business for 23 years, I'm retired now but my friends who are still doing music production are motionless. The head truck driver for Skynyrd told me in April that Skynyrd was booking dates in June, but here we are at June 20th and I am only aware of 3 Skynyrd dates, mostly near their base in Jacksonville.
What you mean in order to make money as a musician you have to tour end of story
Look it up ask any major artist onstage touring performing is where they really make their money
Digitize your CDs, LPs, Tapes, and stream them yourself on your phone. I do. I stopped paying music streaming companies long time ago (only subscribed for less than a year). It's not dumb to hold on to your music collection, and digitize it yourself. It's freedom! 💃
How do you do this?
That is catchy....I need a dollar, hey hey
To the folks that don't know, that's an actual song by Aloe Blac (the same guy who sang the parody version in this show)
@@BibekShresthaRaj Great. I wish there could be another streaming service that gave the creators more. Any idea where to listen to it?
@@marleneg.7128 I wish I knew.
@@marleneg.7128 Just by the album. I am not using a single music streaming service. I buy what I want to listen to.
@@mdruffy235 people consume too much music to buy it all.
And this is why concerts are an arm and a leg to attend. Musicians have to make up their losses somehow.
Most folks fail to realise what it costs to tour. I retired from touring back in the early 90's but I'll share some costs Motley Crue was paying on their Girls, Girls, Girls tour. The cost of using a venue, like the old Omni in Atlanta was over $6,000 a night. To get there there were 12 tractor trailers and 6 tour buses @ about $400 a day, ($7200 total transportation.) Tour crew cost with 50 road crew averaging $250 per day is $12,500 a day salaries. The local stage hands also get paid pretty well and fork lifts are expensive, a band could spend $20,000 for an IATSE crew. Most tours work 6 nights a week and the crew sleeps in the buses en route, but the 7th day is a hotel day and putting 50 people up in a hotel would run around $4,000 a week or $550 a day if we spread the room money into a daily cost. Of course the crew must be fed so caterers are employed and can cost as much as $7500 a day for 3 meals and load-out snacks. I am not able to quote costs on upper management or band pay but I do know AC/DC was paying their production manager $3500 a day in 1986. , before even considering that money we have a daily basic cost of running the tour at $55,000.00. If the band flies instead of riding a tour bus, the air fare, a limousine to take them to a hotel, the hotel costs, and the limo to take them to and pick them up after the show would be added. It might surprise you to know that T-shirts are as profitable as admission.
Attend smaller shows, they are cheaper and those artists need it more
The big added costs in big shows are from the stuff that makes "spectacle". Elaborate production effects and video, pyro, lasers, more moving lights etc. There are also upfront costs - designing the tour, building sets and staging, rehearsal costs, choosing vendors and paying deposits for all aspects of producing, presenting, moving, accommodating, and promoting the tour - all before the first paid audience hears a note.
The artist's fee, as a percentage of the total cost of any single tour stop, is not a majority expense. From the artist's fee there will be commissions deducted to pay managers and agents, and the artist is responsible for taxes on their fees. The artist's slice gets very small when compared to whole pie.
Most concert money goes to presenters. Acts get a baseline.
@@truepeacenik Fixed fee, or percentage of the gross ticket sales, or several other more convoluted schemes. Promoters pay the bills - the rental for lights, sound, local crew, hall rental, cleaning, EMTs, artist transportation, etc.
That song is awesome.
I wonder if the artists could negotiate a contract where they get more money from streaming services than the label does.
Clearly some of you don’t listen. That 70% is going to the people who own the RIGHTS to the song, which is usually not the musician. People always have their eyes on celebrities, but the ones with all the money are the producers and label owners
The people in the background making all the money
That's just pure gibberish. It's like saying if a kid is talented then makes money out of their talent, 70% goes to their parent just because they gave "birth" to the kid. Well, that's actually justifiable. The label owners only job is getting best lawyers who can do the best fine print contracts.
That's inaccurate. Rights or masters are usually reserved with the labels. So they do make a chunk, but producers or songwriters have as much say as the artist. They can collect publishing royalties however, but spotify's distribution is such that the bigger your share is in the output, the more you earn and this is where the major labels take the pie while smaller artists, despite not having to share profits with a label barely get pennies.
LISTEN TO PRINCE !! HE SAID IT & IT STILL STANDS TRUE !!!
no one forced a band to sign away their rights.
Imagine if top tier artists start dropping labels and performing in subways airports and bus stations as a protest and keep all the money with a finger up to the label. The best Artists would clog up the transportation system so bad the government would beg labels and streaming services to pay the artists what they deserve just to get traffic moving again.
That could actually work!
Lee... that's strait-up genius!
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
This is what happens when humans use 100% of their brain power
Performances are not equal to passive income from a recoding.
Amazing how Trevor can combine investigative journalism with humor and entertainment, with a refreshingly international point of view
Prince was telling ya'l that everyone will become slaves to the music industry.
Hi Ambria, I worked for Prince on the Purple Rain tour and Prince was acutely aware of the threat posed by the music industry and piracy. That tour was the only tour I ever had to sign a non-disclosure agreement to work the tour.
@Anne Day To say what? That he was on the tour, or that Prince paid attention to his industry? ;-)
I have nothing against streaming music but I like owning my music.
The musical artist likes you owning it, as well!
Me too
I love owning the music too. Industry just needs to quit changing what I can listen to it with.
Same. Forever physical.
It's about to happen to the video game industry soon. Or is it happening now?
From what I can tell, "I Need A Dollar" was released over 10 years ago but failed to chart in the USA. It would be a great idea if we can do it justice and make it popular NOW!
Uumm, no. It was heavily downloaded and listened to.
Perhaps the Billboard Hot 100 did not reflect downloads or streams at that time.
It's not so different, as a musician I can tell you, record companies and radio stations kept most of the money. Artists were entitled to up to 5% if they were lucky. They told us "if you want to make money, you do it from your gigs". Records are for exposure.
You can also see that in the chart he metions at 1:55 "performance rights." That's why concerts and festivals have become more and more expensive, because the artist barely does any money anymore with the song/album. It's the concerts/performances that actually bring in the money for the artist.
@@Spearca yeah, if you consider that 5% of a few hundred million record sales is a considerable amount, hahaha. Besides, that were the only ones able to negotiate better percentages work the record companies, up to 25%.
The publishing industry has also become the same. So much revenue then before but they still pay writers less than they did before.
@@ClaudioMichel Actually, unless you're Taylor Swift or some such, you don't make that much money from performing. Production costs are through the roof. Go to play an arena and you have to pay 10 union hands just to stand by the doors when you're loading in, never mind the people who drag it in there, others who set it up and still others who run it. Liability insurance is a killer. And even though you're performing your own songs, ASCAP is there with their hand out for performance royalties, a fraction of which you'll ever see again. You might make a little money off of t-shirts and keychains, but that's about it. Groups like the Vulfpek he mentioned play to colleges and keep costs down by not needing as much production, and doing it themselves or with less crew. A modern day Grateful Dead.
@Luis Miguel. Just to be clear, radio stations "don't keep most of the money" from the musicians. It's the other way round. Radio stations have to pay the record labels for the rights to play any music over the air. Radio stations make their money from selling ads.
"Yes Jordan, I am talking to you". LOL ... thought he was going to "Desi".
I think Jordan may have a knack in singing and they just don't want to offend Desi 😂
@@ricmorales3406 Or they are now afraid of Desi as she went crazy after all that foxplaining
@@michaeltamke8542 yup. We all know what all of that FoxNews will do to your brain.
Trevor and Jordan don't want an Trump flagpole in their butts just like what Vlad the impaler did back in the day.
After listening to this rendition, he’s got my $1 (.29).
This isn't actually anything new. Artists never did make much money from royalties on album sales or radio plays, unless they actually owned the rights to their music. Most made money by touring almost non-stop.
Oversimplified. Musicians know that it is different.
That’s simply not true Jason.
@@NickGranville I can accept I might be wrong, but you need to provide some sort of argument.
The real difference is that streaming disconnects audiences from artists by an additional step. Hard to build a fan base to buy tickets to shows and merch when everyone seems to be a one-hit wonder with a single track on everyone's 1000+ song play list...
I saw somewhere that bollywood artists are not( or were not, I don't quite remember) paid for their hits or paid a very very meagre amount. They were told to earn money from singing as the movies gave them exposure. These movies go on to make millions, sometimes selling just on those songs while the artists get paid nothing for them.
*This is why I still buy CDs and I encourage anyone else to do the same or buy vinyl if its available for new slabs.*
I just bought Chevelle's new CD. I was so excited because lots of times there isn't a single one I want to buy on the tiny shelf of CDs.
ARMY says "I FCKN TOLD YOU SO SINCE 2016!!"
The reason why we take sales seriously bcs our PRIORITY is always BTS and haters called us names like "Mass buying" which is the most idiotic atempt of insult i've ever seen/heard.
We makes our boys rich and more richer like they deserve. While their fave can't even pay their bills even after scoring no1 hits. Let that sink in!
This is probably my biggest reason to why I buy the cd album now. When I heard about this, I wanted a least buy one CD to support the artists. But then eventually I end up streaming it.
Tip: When buying a CD, make sure the music feels like something that would feel authentic when played on the player.
There's another downside to streaming. Although you can listen to full albums, few people do, and this has brought an end to the art of making an album more than just a bunch of individual songs.
Even when i bought CDs back in the day, there were a lot of times i've ignored some of the musics. But there were those who liked these songs, and now we can organize them on individual playlists and just listen to what we want.
@@guedes28 Yes, but many albums used to be made as one work. The songs would be written and put in a specific order to be enjoyed as a whole. Some albums even told a story, where the songs were like chapters of a book.
@@jbird4478 i loved when people did this. and i tend to like the songs that aren't the big singles/hits. songs i'd never hear if i didn't get the full album or only stuck to the popular songs.
@@jbird4478 They still are. Just listen to better artists.
@@jbird4478 Folklore & Evermore were like that
I wanna see record labels get destroyed and singer/songwriters get their pay direct from us. who's with me?
What do record labels even do nowadays? Physical media is very limited production and most artists don't even get a big marketing campaigns for an album release. There's really no justification for such a big slice of the pie. I've had Spotify Premium since the day it came out in the US and it's depressing to think that most of that money has gone to artists I don't even listen to. Musicians should create a union like the movie industry.
@@piadox Gen Z is slowly killing the record industry. Gen Z knows the internet, they know social media, they understand how to market themselves in today's world. You're seeing a lot more artistic expression and creative control in Gen Z's music, and they are able to keep it independent of record labels due to streaming services being the death of radio.
They do when they tour. That's why many artists emphasize touring due to that method being the most profitable way for them and allowing them to cut down on the middle man taking so much of the cut. This is why I have also started trying to persuade as many BIPOC to attend their fave artist local concerts when their budget allows. Instead of defaulting to the whole, " Why? I can just listen to them from my car or on TV for free. "notion. I have seen a lot of success in doing this, so I'm going to keep on doing so!
Check out if your favorite artist has a Patreon. Buy their stuff from bandcamp. That should help a bit.
Blockchain is gonna fix that. Decentralize music streaming. Someone go build the Dapp on The Internet Computer $ICP!!
Just remember y’all, Ludacris had to circumvent all of that before streaming became big, that’s why a lot of artists have their own labels.
Yep, unless you own your masters you can't make bank apparently
Owning your music does not automatically mean you would make more per stream. 0.001 cent is what the platforms pay to the owner of the recording. That is a pathetic number.
So...it’s a pyramid scheme
@@kaipeterson you are kinda wrong 0.001 cent is NOT what the platforms pay to the owner of the recording.
The platform pays way more than 0.001 cent to the labels, the labels just deduce it down to 0.001 and then they told the music it's the platform fault to rile up against the platform, when the real evil is the middleman.
You can call me a 'creepy hoarder' but I still believe that albums should be treasured as INDIVIDUAL items, not tossed into some massive digital grabbag. And CDs and LPs STILL sound better.
Weird fact - if you own 1,500 or more CDs and LPs, statistically about 200 of it are probably made by musicians that current streaming services won't even touch with a 10 foot pole. Quite a revelation when I found out about my own record collection during the 2020 lockdown.😆
@@laurentzduba1298 oh yeah? Why’s that?
@@laurentzduba1298 I'm sure it doesn't help that half the ones on my albums are dead.
@@laurentzduba1298 Right? I feel like people assume all music is on Spotify, but in reality if that's all you listen to you're missing out on other music that's out there. I use Bandcamp primarily for music that I like, plenty of it you won't find elsewhere and you can get QUALITY sound, not just low bitrate streams. And yeah, pretty sure at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the CDs I do own aren't on Spotify.
@@laurentzduba1298 chances are that 99% of your collection (almost song by song or full albums ) can be easily found here on youtube. Not to mention that can be downloaded in mp3 or flac or wav in various torrent website. Streaming services? I don't even understand why people use them.
Thank you!! Millions of artists making amazing music never get paid..
Trevor ... happy vacation... enjoy
@FrankFit then why are you still here? Leave.
@FrankFit the cognitive dissonance you must experience to say something publicly and declare that it's none of my business, *right after* declaring how other people should privately listen to Trevor as if that's any of your business... you must either be seriously confused or completely lack self-awareness.
@FrankFit yeah like I said, you're on the wrong channel then.
@FrankFit cause I'm not "the left," I'm just one person. If you want "the left" to hear your message, you have to make it coherent. Very few people are going to bite for a random angry response to a random nice comment.
Trevor Noah letting the public know about how we musicians have to go through
Why buy the whole album when you like 1 song
@FrankFit I feel like he will touch on those issues this sunday
@@kimbellabella348 music collectors really like doing that fm3
@@kimbellabella348
1) You then have the song and can listen to it whenever you want without some company being able to take it away or force you to suffer through ads whenever you want to hear it.
2) It's common to end up liking other lesser known songs in the album. (Some of the best songs never make it to the radio)
3) You used to be able to buy the songs individually as well. They were called singles.
4) You spend WAY less money in the long term, and you actually end up with content you can enjoy. (Unlike a subscription scam where after a year of paying you end up with nothing at all)
Awww poor musicians aren’t getting paid for a recording of a thing they did. Get on stage. Work = pay. Sitting at home complaining = no pay
Why is the blame on spotify, when they claim that 70% of the revenue goes to the labels? Shouldnt artist target the record labels instead?
Spotify is BS
A. Apps like Spotify rig plays themselves, some sort of payola where they are in business with certain artists/labels
B. There are people who do automated phone chains to increase plays to get more views
And they are basically a modern way to scam musicians like payola or major labels which are designed to cheat the musicians, always has been.
Spotify and the labels are in cahoots. They’ve made back door deals for the larger share of music.
RUclips has virtually any music that a person could want to hear, for free, without ads (if you use AdBlock), uploaded by the artists or their labels.
So who is paying to listen to any music?
i thought cause of that pool, why should people who hate Ariana Grande's music be paying her? it should go to the music people are streaming
You just should stay independent because of how bad the labels are
Fun fact Taylor swift actually took her entire catalog from Spotify from 2014-17 because they refused to pay artists their due fee
@Don Doe No if either the label/artists vetoes the decision then it won't take place
Also she wrote a letter to apple
Telling them to change their policies on free trial ...and they actually listened
There should be more people like her to improve the music industry....
Yeah, she got apple to actually pay artists for the free trial period
@@idontevenhaveapla7224 firstly you're correct
Secondly you're a friends fan too?
this reminds when lars Ulrich of metallica sued napster
He faced so much criticism back then...
something about not being able to do the gold plating to his swimming pool I believe.
For all the hate he got for that, he was right in the end
No he wasn’t. He was tilting at windmills, while others were robbing musicians left and right.
Lars would probably still come out on top in the streaming model. It was small artists being shafted then, and it's gotten worse for them now
And he was wrong. He should have been going after the music labels.
“The break room at an Amazon warehouse “😭😭😭😭😭😭
The Amazon break room joke, that was my favorite. Lol
As an artist myself and member of the recording academy, while this is a problem it’s not the main one.
Artists are actually making MORE money than in the CD era. This is through fan experiences. Concerts, live performances, merch, digital sweepstakes, autographs, all of these have grown tremendously, which is why artists are making more.
However, when it comes to radio airplay. We’re the ONLY country with intellectual property laws that doesn’t pay artists for a radio play. We only pay the songwriters.
Wait what? Radio play pays songwriters but not musicians?
Fan experiences only work when there's not a global pandemic though. It also means the artist can't make money in retirement so what they have to keep doing concerts past retirement age to pay bills?
Is this true? If I understand you correctly, when I buy an album (that I am unlikely to listen to, as I prefer my playlist to an album because albums don't shuffle) to support my favorite artist, they don't actually get paid from that?
I think your statement for artist making more money only true for mainstream pop artist.. I doubt those non-mainstream artist wanted to go through the gruelling tour schedule if they are making that much money already..
(PS: even dragon force transition to stream at twitch, and some videos of him commenting on this streaming issue)
@@Whatsayoutuber in the us, yeah
Yeah.. with 70k streams, I made about $60 last year 😅 I resonate SO much to this. Thanks for covering it!
Pretty sure Prince said this ages ago...and demanded the rights to his music from EMI (the record company). He also said that music sharing via the internet was going to be bad too for the artists.
I usually just say thanks for the captions (and thank you for the captions! 🖤) but also I'm really glad to see a video about this here. What's missing though is what people should do about it: 1) be aware and tell your friends, 2) support legislation for fair treatment of singers and songwriters, and 3) support the artists you enjoy by buying their albums and music directly from their websites or on Bandcamp!
As someone who pirated a lot of songs in highschool, I can't believe I wasn't the real pirate.
Ah, Aloe Blacc. After hearing the song, I rewound so I could learn the artist's name. That's some quality singing.
What a f-d up system!
The label and the streaming service meme the bucks and those who make the music don’t.
I’m willing to live without my music and podcasts for a week or two to protest this piracy. How else can we support the artists to get the compensation they deserve?
*to anyone who needs it, I'm sending love and healing your way! You will be okay*
❤️
Melanie said it first. "They're only putting in a nickel and they want a dollar song."
Glad Daily Show covered this. We used to make about $5 off a single CD sale. Now it takes about 1000 streams just to clear the direct deposit fee. For artists who don't have their own studio, most professional studios charge $30-$40/hr for recording sessions. Unfortunately, independent artists are paying out of their own pockets to have you listen to their music. In what other industry is that acceptable? Just because you're eating at a hole-in-the-wall restaurant it doesn't mean they're going to charge you less than what the ingredients cost.
I still have a pouch with like 500 CD’s don’t judge me 🤣
You can't download or stream a neon-fuschia-pink Avril Lavigne picture disc. 😆
I have wondered myself if I need to go back to my cds. I play the same songs over and over. I don’t listen to new music. It’s totally for the convenience that I stream. I’m blowing $10.00 a month because I’m lazy!
@@Angrykitty927 lol, same here, not a fan of much of the newer stuff. But those CD’s are collectors items.
I have over 1000 cds and I'm starting to replace those that I've worn out. I still buy laptops with a disc drive. The walmart close to me literally has an LP section...yes actual records.
I would * LOVE * to see continued acceptance of physical media. I don't, and never will, trust any single entity to retain a complete catalog of music without dropping the ball somewhere. Maybe licensing expires and it doesn't get renewed, and an album or an entire label's catalog, just goes away overnight. Or the fees go up, and they still run commercials. Or I have to play it back on certain "approved" devices. Nope. I don't trust them enough not to do any of that, because it just keeps happening.
I'll just keep buying CDs. Or FLAC downloads. That's fine too.
Thank you Trevor for speaking for the underdog. Let’s have more artists brought to the limelight. ✌️
This is a very important topic. Hope artists will get more out of their own product.
Streaming has created a huge increase in fan clubs for our favorite artists.😊👍
Lol. The I Need A Dollar song reminds me of that street wise guy in Everybody Hates Chris that would tell him, "Let me hold a dollar."
A lot of CDs have poor packaging and uninspiring booklets. Many kpop albums have won packaging awards and that has really helped with sales.
This loooks like an assignement for Hasan Minhaj.
That’s so insane I didn’t realize it was so bad. I buy vinyl from all my favorite artists who have it or tshirts/merch from their websites to support those that I like but I might have to do it more often after watching this
Wow the Aloe song at the end was great!
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ENJOY your vacation. help people, don’t gorge or gloat 👑
I feel like Spotify isn’t the one to blame here, like if they are already giving 70% of there revenue to the song rights, the literary couldn’t up the pay without going under much, and it seems like it would work out the same way rather than be different if it was per view pay, it would just be a different algorithm. It seems like the record labels are a bigger problem
Thank you for this comment. The issue is that record labels seem to try and hang on to how the world worked before they got irrelevant; When you needed to press CDs and ship them and market them and so on, I understand what you'd need a record label for, but we should just cut them out entirely.
Also, Apple Music, for example, pays out 2-3 times as much as Spotify does per stream and we should be more differentiating in what and who wo condemn in the debate, as generalisation helps to hide the facts we need to know to actually fix the problem.
Yes please
The Spotify CEO is worth 4 billion dollars. The average salary for a Spotify employee is $110,000+ per year. There is little chance of them going under, they’re paying themselves well. Now ask yourself how many streams does a musician have to get to earn the same as an average Spotify employee!
@@NickGranville Fair point but, even if they were to double the amount that they were paying the artists, which according to this would only boost it to .008 cents per stream, that is %140 percent if there revenue, a price that still would marginally impact the artists, and have them going deeply into debt, while that 4 billon and 110 thousand seem like a lot it is nothing compared to the amount they need to be paying the artists more, the missing link is either the record labels, or that we should be paying more, and while the consumer paying more is not out of the question, if people aren’t willing to pay then there is not much that can be done, vs the record labels activity control musicians music, and decide how much they pay them through there contracts which for most newer and smaller artists are out of there control
What I don't get is if these streaming companies KNOW how many 'hits' a song gets why don't they send that to the record companies & the labels then pay their artists accordingly... for every 'hit' the artist gets a specified dollar amount. Let's say Spotify gets $1 for each 'hit'. Spotify pays the label 70 cents for that 'hit'. The label pays the artist 40-50 cents for that .'hit'. Done Deal.
I have CDs and like them. I bought them, and the artists were paid. So there it is. (Streaming could very well be right for multitudes. As long as we still have music, right?)
Yes there it is, you sniffing your own farts for likes
Streaming music is basically a scam.
After a year of paying you cancel your sub = you have nothing at all
After a year of buying albums you choose = you have a large collection of music you can enjoy (and you spent half as much as a subscription would've cost)
You think the artists were well paid for your CD purchase? 😂😂😂
True that. You NEVER knew what you were going to get in a download. I DLed "The Young Ones" one time thinking it was the British Comedy by that name. It wasn't!
I still have 45s, LPs and CDs. 🥰 Signed up for Spotify free membership but haven't access that either 😕 I miss listening to music in the music stores, when all the songs on an album were hits! Talking about Jarreau, Grover, Jackson, Prince, Chicago, Steeley Dan, etc. 🎧🎵🎼 Tower Records...Sunset Blvd Hollywood🥂
You have to be Drake?!?
He’s the reason I stopped listening to radio in 2008.
Brutal. Also there are frequencies where Drake thankfully was/is never on.
I miss when he was Jimmy Brooks. 🤘
Wow you’re so edgy
I feel you!
Old Heads be like
About time you said these things Trev ! Much respect for gaining the audience, I hope they were listening 🎧
He said my name !!!!!! 😂
This is the real 🫖 on making music.
As artist we put our whole life and soul into our music and streaming services. Yet for the most part, only the artist know how laughable the results can be. Hoping this industry sham turns around and helps the artist make enough to continue to create.
Thank you for making this Trevor and the team!
it's crazy how Armys been saying this since 2017 but we're labelled crazy for actually calling out these platforms and wanting to support our faves music properly
I'm glad I never used streaming devices for music after hearing this.
The writing and your delivery make these the most enjoyable way to get the news. I can say the same about "Late Night with Seth Meyers," "The Late Show," and "Last Week Tonight."
I'm definitely paying for "I need a dollar"
Trevor is just the freakin best with these segments ❤❤❤
That's exactly why I buy my music instead of streaming it.
" ... the entire history of music history ... " um, no. And that's always my come back when someone asks me why I don't use Spotify; the vast majority of my library isn't available on any streaming platform. I ripped all my CDs ages ago, and built up a personal streaming platform. At home, I listen to everything in FLAC; out and about I stream 320; ever since I've done that, I've bought nothing but digital, directly from the artist.
@Anne Day do they have the last known recording of Eric Dolphy with Charles Mingus. A live recording where, just before the show, Dolphy told Mingus he was quitting the band? No, they dont. No streaming service has everything, and no streaming service pays the artists properly, which is why I buy my music from the artist, and stream it myself from my home music server.
Trevor, please DO NOT cut your hair or ever put on a tie again like the other show hosts that just went back up on the air. Love the casual look and the easy presentation. Hopefully it can be incorporated into when you do go back on air.
Yeah, I like his hair and casual work cloths
I downloaded my first MP3 in the 90s. It was Celine Dions Titanic Song. I did not believe they could fit it in such a small file. At that time I was still using a 44k modem. Now we are decades later and I am still a fan of OWNING what I paid for. If I stream anything, my trusty stream ripper is recording. But that is just like listening to the radio, nothing of value. I would never pay for Spotify. But this gives me the opportunity to find new bands. And if I found someone worthy...I go to their website and buy their music directly from them. Yes, on CD if possible. Of course, I digitize it immediately, but the money goes to the band, not some shady consortium. And I buy merch and when COVID is over, I visit their concerts. This is how you support your favorite bands.
Yeah my brother is a small musician and he says for every 1,000 downloads he gets one dollar
Depends on the streaming service, but that’s pretty accurate. 😥
Then he needs to push his marketing. It's the record labels that rob artists with 360 deals. There's Bandcamp and Bandlab that both have a direct to fan interaction where they pay the artists directly. This video is just keep the music industry afloat as they continue to rob artists. Ever wonder why the 360 deals were never mentioned?
@@timtaylor3390 Sure with 7,500,000,000 of earth’s population, he better get us all to stream so he can get his millions.
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That’s why you still should by albums on cd or digitally. Best way to support artists.
This is actually very very heartbreaking. Especially for artists as iconic as Aloe Blacc.
I’m an artist.
1. Spotify pays very little
2. For major playlist you need a label, 70% to label 30% split amongst producers are writers
3. Independent artist get zero placements, low streams no $.
The artists are trying to get money directly from streaming services, bypassing the labels they're signed to. The labels are the actual problem here. Just search 30 seconds of mars and their whole problem with universal records. That was even before streaming was a thing. I think.
Imagine if all artists united and somehow flipped the music industry on it's head.
Bridge the gap between artists and platforms, including RUclips.
Very informative and hope artists win their rights as soon as possible.Thank you
Aloe Blacc's, 'I Need a Dollar brought a tear to my eye.. Shouldn't producing music be approached more as a D.I.Y. project? "DAVE GROHL! ... Please help save us from ourselves!"
Thank you for raising awareness on this! 🎶🎧❤️
The songwriters and musicians need to earn a larger percentage than this from streaming, this is insane. I like streaming but I still have a tons of CDs. The pay for these artists is terrible.
record label taking 50%, streaming service take 30%, apple take 19% and here we are.
I still purchase physical forms of music. No streaming for me. Streaming is nothing but renting music, whereas I own my music and still support the artists!
NOFX tried to warn us way back when when they drop their album the Decline! It even said it on the CD cover not to pay more then advertised price by the band itself.... we need more awesomeness like that
I have a collection of 200-300 physical CDs. Since CD players are going out of style and my Walkman broke 1 1/2 decades ago, I ripped all my music to mp3s and boxed up the physical CDs.
Then I got an iPhone that wouldn’t play them unless I uploaded them into ITunes…not the easiest thing to set up. It worked okay until recently my iPhone quit playing half my music. This song is not available in your region they tell me. That’s music pirating language for “You don’t own that song.” However, I’m not pirating the tunes. I have a physical CD (sometimes cassette) in my home for every song that wasn’t purchased online.
All I’m looking for is a way to play the albums that I purchased where the musicians received proper payment. I feel taken if I have to purchase the albums again or pay streaming services to play songs that I own.
If I was Mike Pence I would’ve by now invited myself to Trevor’s show and milk the free publicity while I still can. 🤣
Thanks Trevor! I 've always wondered why concert tickets are so high and why artists keep touring long after they stop recording new songs.
I would rather have CDs, they have the music credentials and I can make my own mixed CDs and listen for hours to only the songs I like, skip as many times as I want with no commercials.
You put it in work with the skits they are getting way better
And now can you blame BTSARMY for actually buying their music. Get wise people support your artists
Idols don’t get a huge cut either…
@@Maray182 "buy music" . Not streaming. though we stream as well.
@@Maray182 it depends agency to agency the the agency BTS work under (HYBE/Bighit) pays them fairly well.
I know I"m in the minority, but I'm never been interested in streaming music. I've always preferred to buy music from an artist's website or from the artist's Bandcamp page, reluctantly buying from Amazon or iTunes if those direct methods aren't available. I actually *WANT* to give artists my money if I value the music. Yes, it limits the amount of music I can listen to, based on "disposable" / "discretionary" income, but I'm perfectly fine with that. Making art of any kind costs the artist time and money and if we don't support the artist, we won't have the art. It really is that simple.
Is this banger, "I need a dollar" there on Spotify? I swear I am going to stream it till eternity.
The original would be, not sure about the parody though
When i used to go to concerts, the bands would say "steal our music cuz our label gets that money. Come to our shows, buy our merch, that's how we get paid!"
Most people are surprised to learn the band makes about the same amount of money off T-shirts as the admission prices.
I had a limewire when Napster was a thing
same 🤣
@@sufiapauzi3076 my sister got me onto it cuz paying for music is for chumps Ik it’s not
I’m on Amazon music now
Napster was actually pre-limewire. yes, people were still using napster when limewire and others came out, but napster was the original. I remember this vividly because I used them both when they were new.
@@KatieGray1 yeah that’s what I thought I used limewire instead the original iTunes
@@michaelkurland2409 same.
This is actually depressing...😢😢😢😢 the true creators get nothing, and here I was thinking I'm supporting my favorite artists despite them not being mainstream
The best part of this video was the fact I got a Spotify and Apple Music ad 🙃
I work with a musician on twitch who preaches to stay away from the record labels a learn to make it on your own - it’s hard but the paychecks are yours