The Truth Behind Music Streaming - If You Don't Know, Now You Know | The Daily Show
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- Опубликовано: 11 авг 2023
- While practically the entirety of recorded music is on streaming services like Spotify, many musicians find it harder than ever to make money from it. Here’s a look at how artists both benefit from and are disadvantaged by the music streaming business. #DailyShow #Comedy #TDSThrowback
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I’m a musician and songwriter. Thank you so much Trevor for being light to this extremely important issue. Streaming platform is devastating for creators while the executives running the company take the money. And if an artist doesn’t play the Spotify game they suffer in other ways for it. I pray there is an equitable solution in the near future.
Maybe prohibit the music to be on those platforms and ONLY be downloaded in the official musicians page.
Are we just gonna ignore how awesome that guy's voice is? It's the first time in my life I wanted the music to stop playing so I could just hear him sing. He's got some amazing pipes!
This is why I don't stop at just listening to the artist on Spotify. If I genuinely like what they do, of course I'd want to own their music in some capacity. I buy the vinyls, I go to the shows, I buy merch, all of that. I'm glad for services like Spotify that allow me to know whether I like an artist or not before I go spending my hardearned money.
What type of artist do you listen to ?
The music industry needs a revolution. Streaming is not the problem but these record labels.
thats never going to happen simply because genuine labels invest in those artists and basically pay for their expenses then more than half of those artists never make it to those levels and those who do can get money touring but these labels need a return on investment, no label will ever sue an artist for failing to make it you wont ever hear of that but incases where the labels dont do anything for the artist, then thats an issue
man... a lot of artist said streaming is disaster to artist. I'm not saying record labels are saint but yall only blame labels and yall say streaming is not the problem. it is problem. you know, piracy is still going on. (woo woo woo you know it). but streaming made a lot of people use streaming. that made people who didn't pirate and buying music made stop buying music. people mocked KISS's gene simmons for blaming streaming model like "oh old man doesn't understand new thing". nah you gotta listen to what gene said. he said it's like a taking all foods from supermarket without paying it. I say it again. I'm not saying labels are saint. but streaming is problem too.
@@quas3728 the streaming model is actually simple if your music gets played, you get paid but artists get paid 20% or less because the labels take out 80%+ of those earnings since they invest their money into you and if you happen to be an independent artist you may get paid better but its not easy to grow big to where it will make a difference, artists have to learn to monetise themselves, sell merch boook tours etc coz thats where they will make money
@@quas3728 but at this point, if there was a service that was more fair to artists, are you going to spend more than $11 a month on music when Spotify exists?
Streaming is not the answer unless people start paying a lot more. People just aren't willing to pay for music and that's the problem. It's too easy to get everything under the sun for next to nothing. Streaming is a small step up from Napster.
I miss Trevor!
SOOOO MUCHHHH
For real, he's the reason I like this show
Aloe is so talented that he jokingly made a song that could be a hit if he was serious.
I missed Trevor telling me how *_basic_* my tastes are 😂
Well... I'm Mexican and listen to Symphonic Metal.... I bought my music legally 10 years ago. And I have it in Mp3 files... so I don't have to pay streaming.
you listen to the same music for 10 years? what are you? an ancestor?@@richard.jansen
Trevor!! We miss you😭😭🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦...🤣🤣
My partner is an aspiring musician who just released her first album, and I cannot stress enough just how awful streaming services treat their artists and how little they pay them. Just to give you a heads up, my partner's most listened to song has about 6000 listens, and based on Spotify's payment plan, that has netted my partner around $18 USD. In order to make a decent amount of money, you need millions of listens across a few songs. Even then, it's still not a great means of income, especially when you consider factors like consistency.
That's why I have personally decided to buy CDs and vinyls of the artists I enjoy the most. Literally pre-ordered Jon Batiste's new album in both CD and vinyl format to show my support and give an artist I love more direct money, because CD sales and vinyl sales give musical artists way more money than a digital purchase and especially more than streaming.
If you love your artists, especially up-and-coming ones, buy from them physically. Many artists are starting to sell their own CDs on their own sites, so keep that in mind. Try to avoid buying off popular platforms like Amazon, because they also take a decent cut.
If she just made half a buck per listen. That would be huge.
Artists for many years have asked fans to pirate their music and instead use that money to buy merch. Most artists over 90% of merchandise sales goes directly to their pocket.
@@Danielle_1234 That's what I mean. Purchasing directly from the artists is the best practice. Sadly, most people don't know this, which is why they just subscribe to Spotify or something and think that is best for their favorite artists, but we know that is absolutely not true.
@@Danielle_1234Not so true anymore, because of the 360° contracts record companies make their artists sign : they also get a huge part from the merch sales too
And when thar merch is sold in big venues, they also have to share the money with the venue 😈
Except if you're an independent artist or band, have your own record label, and only play in smaller venues
That's very honorable, jcs. I honor my favorite musicians by only buying on Bandcamp, which gives 82% of the cash to the musicians themselves. I used to use Amazon music buy that website is horribly dysfunctional. Actually, I used to buy real vinyl records back in the day.
I have over 6,000 songs on Apple Music, and I'm proud to say about 96% of them came off CDs.
Trevor is unmatched. This guy was great. His segments of if you dont know were great
yeh, miss him
Yea, when it comes to late night talk show hosts that I always watched, Trever was up there in my top 3.
It's ALWAYS been messed up. Record labels have always made more money then the artists 90% of the time. Only extremely sought after artists who were very smart took/made deals in their favor... especially making sure to keep 100% of their publishing rights.
The difference though is the labels invested in the artists, whereas Spotify takes and doesn’t give a thing to creating the music. Things were much better before
@@NickGranville Yes. Labels invested in the artists but, for their own gain. Not because they wanna be nice.
The real difference is - artist and the label has a contract artist signed so thats between them, they can negotiate or part ways. With streaming services its different - everyone uses them so if you dont like their business model, you are in a serious disadvantage and there can be no negotiation. Your listerners are forced to give their money to Drakes and Switfs they dont listen to and because of that, you gotta have a day job.
What about selling a thumb drive of the musicians music?
@@rnr5682 No. Don't do that. Have some scruples.
I love that $ song. I didn't even know who he was, now I will listen to him.
Happy to see you again Trevor!!!
I recently played my son the same song on CD and on vinyl so he could hear the difference. With the resurgence of vinyl, typewriters, etc., there’s still a place for physical media. Nothing like sitting on the floor with big headphones and getting lost in an album while looking at the photos & following along with the lyrics. Now we just need to get the musicians paid accordingly.
try to buy your physical albums from the artist's online merch store or independent record stores near you as these structures tend to have fewer middlemen getting a share, and your favorite artist earns more.
I Miss It!! 😭
Wait, typewriters? I get vinyl for the sound quality, but typewriters? The things that jam easily?
@@theheadguy1212It’s true! Google “are typewriters coming back”
if my favorite artist puts out a CD I still buy it. Guess I'm still old school on that
Me to never streaming ever.
Another from old school! I agree
Me too!! Call me a "hoarder" of lost tech! I only use streaming if I'm out, but I even buy the album on Amazon music too. So I own a copy of the CD and the digital copy as well.
I would buy albums if I could buy mp3 that I can keep and not be app locked.
I'm thinking about getting a proper analog stereo system and buy vinyl records.
As far as I'm concerned, my CD collection STILL makes me an aficionado. I hold on to the idea that albums were meant to be treasured as individual objects, not crammed together in one big digital grabbag.
They still sound the best too.
Yes!!
I miss being able to read the liner notes. Some of them were really funny.
This is part of why I still like physical media
So glad you guys reposted this. We legit needed the reminder.
This is precisely why I started to buy and own digital albums this year. It is a pathetic and disgusting situation created by the streaming companies, and I think that the reason is all of the streaming companies are technology companies, not music companies or record labels. Thanks much for this informative video!
How many CDs can you possibly buy and what happens when you are in the mood to listen to something that is not in your collection or easily available? Goodluck with your mission!🙄
@@ememobongnkana Yep, I know that it's Mission Impossible and I'm no Ethan Hunt. On top of that, I cannot access sites like Quobuz where I can buy individual songs rather than an entire album from my country, India; I can only buy from HDtracks, where I have to buy an entire album. Of course, I cannot buy all of my favorite albums, so I cannot ditch streaming altogether. But hopefully, I will be able to balance the two. Supporting artists is critical and I'll try to contribute in whatever small way possible.
except that most of the money still goes to the label not the artiste so this actually accomplishes nothing... Even it this video he said it. 70% of the the income goes to the record label, not spotify or the artiste. Im not really sure why this is bashing on streaming services at all. Its the labels that are scamming the artistes not platform giving them the exposure.
@@ravindrarambarran6177 Yes, of course, most of the revenue goes to the record labels. The streaming services made this even worse for the artists by biting another big chunk of the profit. That's why this bashing. You can find about this more in several investigative journaling reports in many leading newspapers and magazines. Buying music directly from the artist is a distant dream, unfortunately. Right now, buying an album is the best thing anyone can do, other than visiting concerts.
It’s just music. It’s been inflated for too long. If you perceive their music to be as valuable as what you want to pay, that’s cool, but I think they get what they deserve for what they actually contribute to society
Artists should contract a royalty clause. They should receive a set amount each time one of their songs is played.
Agreed!
Easier said than done. The same thing is happening to all workers and artists in particular. This country doesn’t value art or sweat equity in general. Greed is destroying our country. Spotify pays Joe Rogan millions of dollars. Artists? Not so much.
Then programmers should receive money every time you run their program, game or operating system, how that sound?
@@real_jointventure artists fund the recording and whole creative process, so they are more like CEO of the company, and I assure you, those CEO get they payouts depending on the sales
@@tonieprawdaTrue, they are charged for all of the expenses of recording & touring, etc. Once everything is deducted, if the executives decide there's something left, the artists might get it.
Hearing this guy remix this song just to tell what his going through with the system really hit me hard dmmm 💔✌🏾
The problem here is clearly not Spotify but the record label or whoever publish their music on Spotify
let's be real here, Spotify made those cutthroat record label to play nice amongst themself,
and gave us all of their songs.
That alone was a great achievement
we can live a multiple lifetime without that scenario ever happening,
yet, we're super lucky that we live in the lifetime where everything fall in place nicely.
yes, record label was bad especially for Artists, but also it could be worse.
one wrong move and we could end up with a fragmented market each owned by a certain record label
like Video streaming market like Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, etc
music streaming definitely like walking on a tightrope
you're trynna convince yourself that you're not a bad person, that's fine but spotify is an evil corporation that could quite easily change their revenue split system, but they don't. don't rally for an evil corp just to make yourself feel better about a service you like
That's not true at all. There's a lot of indie acts that don't belong to a dedicated label who only vehicle to promote their music is streaming services unless they have their own dedicated websites. Nowadays, artists are wising up and using labels for marketing and distribution and those in a label situation have the option to renegotiate the terms on which they're paid. However, for a large majority of artists who are still trying to break into the industry and don't have a record label contract, their primary source of income (outside of streaming) would be merch and shows and anything they've done independently, which still points to the streaming service, not the label.
Keep streaming and be sure to favorite your go to songs and artists. They are going to attempt to go after their labels to get compensation because our votes and usage of the services are quantified hard data. Older groups are staging small show tours to locations of concentration for their fandom as well which gets them money directly.
Bandcamp takes 30% and the rest goes to the artist. During COVID they had a day a month when 100% would go to the artist.
Thank you for all of the insightful information you share with the world🙏🏼 I appreciate you🙏🏼
I still find it weird that people judge and sometimes even make fun of me because I still buy CDs.
The problems with streaming platforms not paying artists properly is known for a very long time. So you support your favourite musicians more if you actually buy a physical copy. Also, when you're more into historical music, the booklets inform you about songs and their context. Pop music usually uses booklets that have all the lyrics of the songs in that album.
The only industry I'm aware of that takes full advantage of this is the K-pop industry. (And they're known for ingenious, greedy marketing campaigns)
The only thing I'm really glad of that streaming platforms exist is the easy access to music from all around the globe. And it's often time the only access for me as getting CDs from those musicians is either really difficult, expensive or simply impossible.
When you go to a concert you can actually afford tickets to for that smaller artist, be sure to buy some merch! This is how many of them working their own merch tables actually make the money. Not from the ticket you paid to see them, but from that t-shirt or cd (what! they still sell cds?! yes, yes they do) you bought from them.
Miss ya Trev
I guess I’m that creepy hoarder. I’ve never used Spotify and buy a CD when I want to listen to a band’s album
Genuinely, thank you so much for introducing me to Aloe Blacc. Never heard of him before an hour ago, and now I'm ordering three of his vinyls!
I used to download songs illegally. And now I choose streaming to make me feel less guilty, bcs i thought that the musicians would get the royalty. So thank you Noah, now i know..
thanks for the updates. I am really happy to see you again on the air. Please keep us all updated. The best host for "Daily Show".
"You listen to 4 songs you liked in high school" - hahaha. so true.
I actually miss these lockdown shows
Oh, and I'm old. So I remember when Napster first came out and being born in 1979, I was there for the beginning of CDs taking things over. However, I think streaming is a detriment to everyone. Artists such as Pink Floyd, for example made albums that were meant to be listened to from beginning to end. And the disadvantage of streaming is that you can bounce around and are not limited to listening to the album unless you want to get up and physically change the album. And yes I know you can fast forward. But usually people don't because they're still going to be hearing the same artist
Your videos are just so special! Big up to you and your team!!!
He left, these are reposted videos because the company refuses to pay writers and they are on strike
I am an independent artist and can attest to this. Hope to one day have people streaming my music more and more
Pure genius - will somebody please give that man a dollar - with ❣️ from Montana
very nice that u talk about it! respect!
I remember when this video came out and I was obsessed with this song.
This is part of why I still like physical media. I missed Trevor telling me how basic my tastes are .
Is Trevor back? Or this video was recorded during the pandemic
I don't understand how people can honestly be asking this question still. No, Trevor's not back and he's not coming back. He's on tour and living his best life. Writers and actors are on strike. Network executives said they want to hold out until around October. There will be no new late night content until then.
I’m glad Trevor is living his best life but I sure do miss him
@@mevsv6103 we all do 😢
I prefer streaming to CDs (no more waiting for me!), but let's change these deals. Pay these artists, Spotify!
Musicians, writer, producers, composers should work together. BTS & ARMY do try to fight the industries but obviously it’s going to take a lot of artists to be on the same page, creating a movement. Artists, writers, producers, they all deserve more for their time and hard work. It’s not impossible, there’s power in numbers.
Whenever I buy a new CD, I rip it to MP3 on first listening. I don't use a sharing service or anything like that, I do it for my own convenience of having all my music in one place: my hard drive. I also use streaming, but mostly, I listen to my own music, and will buy a CD when I go see a new band if I like them.
I found so much music I never would have found if it weren't for Napster. It let me go down a music rabbit hole that would have cost a fortune otherwise. As a result of finding those artists, I went to so many awesome shows in other cities that I wouldn't have ever thought to go to. I go down spotify rabbit holes all the time now.
Well of _course_ music artists should receive the lion's share of the profits. They provide the cornerstone of the _product._
Except, most of them don't have the right to their own music, the label does. Thats why indie artists tends to make more even with less streaming number.
This is why I preferred to use Tidal. It seems to be a better compromise between availability of songs, payout for the artists and the price. To be honest, buying the songs would be an even better option for me but I don't have the money. This is also a problem social justice for the customers, for the people who works every day and still have financial problems. The honest truth about streaming services is that it's temporary so much cheaper for the customers while the younger generations got less and less money. If I would buy all the important songs I like, it would take years to collect all that money.
And this isn't meant as justification. My behaviour is still bad and egoistic. It's meant to be an explanation why streaming services become so popular and why it's a problem for artist to earn enough money.
I still love CDs. I always like the booklets that came with them.
This is why I buy albums (physical & digital) & artist merch on top of subscription to premium accounts. If there’s a way to support my favourite musical I would try to contribute. This also allows they to have more independent say on their creative decisions.
This is too much 😤 Thank you Trevor for sharing 🫶
I'm gonna be walking around singing this all day
that Spotify wrapped
hit me hard
Independent Recording Artist here Rell Robinson & I feel this painfully but I’ll still compose
💙💜💙💜❣️
I already had such a big digital music library by the time Spotify came around, I just can't bother with it. Most of the older stuff I love I already have and I can buy a few new albums a year that I'll actually like and it'll be cheaper than paying for yet another subscription I don't need.
Trevor always manages to make us smile, proudly South African🇿🇦
I think it's been about 15 years since I asked AFI if they could post a Paypal direct donation button on their site. I'm probably not going to buy CDs, since I was living out of my car and my CDs were all damaged from heat, and I'm not going to download stuff 15 years ago. Where to put it? Phones didn't have internet for most regular people. But I'd like to toss them a few bucks for how much I liked them, especially since I knew that they'd made *nothing* from the CDs I DID buy. I just want to hand an artist I like $20 sometimes without 40 people in the middle a cut.
That's the reason why musicians go on tours. Lucky if you are globally known like Taylor Swift, BTS, Bruno Mars, etc. But say if you are just known locally or are a niche, then it would be a struggle.
The biggest reason I use spotify is because as an autistic person music is important to me. But all the other apps I've used I absolutely hate the user interface, I use android so iTunes and apple anything out, and more and more things are becoming digital not able to use cds
I don't stream and I prefer vinyl to CD. Yes, you meet all kinds on internet.
Can’t believe I was tapping on my Shazam sing finder.. I need that song 🥹😭
Streaming services aren't the problem the access to music they provide has an ameliorating effect on society that can't be denied. This all just circles back around to long term problems of the record industry giving little to no care about structuring deals that are fair and mutually beneficial with their artists.
Streaming services are part of the problem, $0.0004 is a bad deal for anyone.
I finally checked my royalties after my album has been up for a year and I earned $1.22 🤣
It is most likely already mentioned, but Spotify was essentially created by record labels to get around royality clauses in their contracts. So they do not get paid as one entity, but they get paid other way, but they cut out artists from getting most gains. Tidal and Apple are at least a bit better.
I am not gonna into why it is way it is. It has been said way too many times.
If you want to support your artists, buy their CDs and merch and go to their concerts.
"you wanna see my cd's" sound like Badger in breaking bad 😂
I really don't consider it piracy when I replenished my collection, some of which had been bought 3 or 4 times (from vinyl to cassette to CD), that some a-hole(s) decided was theirs. Whether you're an artist or do lawn work, your labor is more than likely underpaid it's value. This needs to stop, in every business sector. There is more then enough wealth between a ridiculously small amount of the total Humans on this planet, enough to pretty much solve a high percentage of all problems we all face. With more than enough left over for them to still be rich, and for the efforts to be self sustaining, or perpetual. If not outright actual permanent solutions and not just band aids.
That ending!!
"There's always a downside to every upside - "Quote by me! In this century you can't make money, anymore, by selling music. You have to use the popularity the streaming platform exposes you to, to sell shows! That's how you make money now, like Burna Boy, that Naija smart guy!
Artists should team up with RUclips creators to include their music in their videos. Find a way.
What do you mean, find a way? There already is a way, creators don't want to do it. It's literally just credit them and give them a portion of the money earned from those videos. You'd need contracts and accounting to actually do it so most don't have the means and it's also not even that much, RUclipsrs don't make that much from views, the rich ones make their money from sponsorships and they're not sharing sponsor money..
It is called content ID. RUclips pays recordlabels all the profit youtubers could have gained if they didn’t add the music. And the artist might get some of it.
That dollar song was amazing.
miss Trev man, all the best to him and team
As an artist, this hit too close to home!! Got me playing Riky Rick's 'I need money'...Sigh!
This is so important.
BRING BACK CD's NOW !! Cd's are compact, and they guarantee the highest quality possible in sound reproduction unlike what you get on the phone.
That song hits differently after explaining the streaming concept
I want to know when this originally aired
Artists putting their heart on creating the best to entertain us, deserves more. There's got to be a better streaming solution!
Spotify is always advertising promoted artists to me but I never click the ads and it's always the same 4 artists that I just don't want to listen to and never smaller artists that sound similar to what I've liked. There is no algorithm that suggests the artists and music followed by artists that you like either. I do a better job at finding new music by clicking around random stuff than Spotify does at showing me new artists.
there needs to be a type of class action lawsuit against all of them for theft, take them all down, or if someone could start up a new service and give artists their fair share, we would all go there instead......
I still love buying records. I’m an oldhead.
Timely post of an older segment (I’m assuming this was recorded around the time of the Covid lockdown). I’m not sure if singers, songwriters, or musicians have a union or unions. If not, it sounds like they need to organize and put pressure on streaming services to compensate creators fairly like the actors and writers are doing in Hollywood … also mostly caused by compensation for streaming.
Once again big power has figured out how to keep more hard working people poor.
My son was an artist & he informed me that artists struggle to succeed bc their intellectual property can so easily be stolen! I don't ever pirate music & if I want to add to my collection I pay for it!!
That's one reason, but only one of MANY. Music just isn't worth anything in America. Even the labels are failing.
Maybe.... just maybe, artists should set up Patreons and promote their music THAT way and keep more of their income as opposed to getting little to nothing.
Btw just found out this channel, cool video I might stop from now on since I'm I hit the bell 😁
"The CEO of Universal Music earned more in 2021 than all the sales and streams of UK songwriters combined "
big part of this income is from the Spotify/Universal streaming special contracts - that still remain "secret" ...
while the average Artist is left with nothing!
Spotify is trying to get people to drop out of their site. It saves them a lot of money in server size. If they can get a 25% drop in songs on their servers, they will open up space and reduce costs.
Hmm that makes sense. I didn’t think about that one. Thanks✌️
Streaming has an advantage and disadvantage. Artists like Juice WRLD got famous from songs they created from their own bedroom thanks to streaming, meaning it's now easier to reach exposure than the old way of handing out your CDs while some people feel annoyed.
As NFTs become easier, artists need to band together and take their art back. The artist should make the most off their music no matter where it is played and used. I have been buying artists music in vinyl form for a while now. I still listen mostly on streaming platforms but its cool to own it physically in some form, vinyl is cool for the artwork and colored vinyl is my thing now.
I'm surprised no one just came out and said if the artists don't get paid, _you literally get no music._ I mean their level of work is beyond a frickin' hobby, and they can't afford to produce professional output for free.
No, nature abhorres a vacuum. There will never be a time when you can't get new music. The quality will suffer instead, and that's already a major problem.
Situation is more complicated in India. Streaming services often has licensing disputes with 100s of music labels, and their entire catalog is removed from streaming service.
Wow, its shattering to hear that my monthly subscription of R100 barely or never reach out to my favourite artists.
Imagine how it is for them😥
Now I want a silence album.
I'm still in love with Trevor and miss his show!!! 😢
We really need massive reform against corporate earth hoarding. Not just in entertainment. Across the board, corporations are facilitating a wealth disparity so severe that either the system or people will break.
Whichever goes first, we are going to see a lot of people die.
Miss you so much
The contracts that the artists are signing are the problem. They get trapped into a situation where the choices are to sign a bad contract or not having their music on those services, or with their record label, who is taking the majority of the money. Streaming made music easier for the listeners but it wasn't designed to benefit anyone other than the companies that own the streaming apps.
My cd collection got stolen 3 times over 1500 CDs now I just listen to Spotify and I discover new artist every now and then
And I got access to all albums from my favorite artist
CDs, WAV files and Vinyl sound better through a hifi system, regardless of high resolution files on AHD and Tidal. I will always listen to CDs and Stores Files on an NAS over streaming. Now… if listening casually or in the car…. Streaming has its advantages.
Blame the labels, not the streaming services. Even if u buy physical copies most of the money goes to the labels anyway so buying physical accomplishes literally nothing but making it less convenient. Place blame correctly.